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Welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra, on the penultimate Sunday of

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a fascinating season. I'm Guy Mowbray, sitting in for Mark

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Chapman. We live on BBC One, radio 5 Live and across the BBC sport

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website. As usual, plenty to talk about. We have the latest on the

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title race, as Manchester City remain in poll. Liverpool player

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Monday against Palace. We ask what next for Palace and Fulham, both

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down despite five managers between them. Let's get stuck into all of

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that and more, in the next 45 minutes. I'm joined by radio 5 Live

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and Match Of The Day comment data, McNamara, Oliver Kay, chief of all

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correspondent for the Times, and Kevin Kilbane, whose eight clubs in

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action yesterday managed two wins between them, well done Huddersfield

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and Sunderland. Of course, we want your views as well.

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So, what are the papers talking about on Sunday? It is all about

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Manchester City, mainly. They are rarely there. City Bankers is one

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headline I particularly like. Another says Mersey Beat, a

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particularly nice one. Are they nearly there? Let's hear from Manuel

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Pellegrini after yesterday's win at Goodison Park. It's a good result

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because I think that was a very tough game. We thought from the

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beginning that Everton will play this game, thinking what they can

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do, not thinking if we lift the title if they win today. I think

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they played very well. They started winning the game with an

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unbelievable goal in the top corner. I think that was the character of

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the team, playing away against a very good team. We could turn the

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match, winning 3-1. After they scored the second goal, maybe that

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means we were a little bit more nervous. You were there, as I was, a

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great performance from City. A decent performance from Everton as

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well. He gives nothing away, he must be the most unflappable manager we

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have seen in the league? Journalist is often go to the press conference

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thinking they are not going to get a screaming back page headline. As you

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say, he is unflappable. The same, if they win or lose. Finally, it looks

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like they have turned the corner and hit top gear at the right time. It

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looks like it's very much their title to lose. Not good for you

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guys, he gives you nothing to go on, nothing phases him? It's sometimes

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quite refreshing. You hear so much nonsense, particularly at this time

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of year, from managers chasing titles. I'm not going to name names!

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Some of them might not be in work any more. At least with Pellegrini,

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at least he is sensible. At least it is... I mean, he's not there to give

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as headlines, he doesn't give us headlines. As we say, City Bankers,

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his team are giving themselves headlines and that was a good

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performance. Is it their title? I thinking of the Sunderland slip-up,

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recently. The QPR drama of two years ago. There is a bit more left in it?

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I was at the Etihad when Sunderland took points of them, I thought,

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they've let this slip. There was always the hope that Liverpool would

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slip up, particularly in the game against Chelsea. That is how it

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turned out. I would not remortgage the house to bet on it yet, there

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could still be a twist. What is huge, and this is where you cannot

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underestimate the power of the strength of a squad, Edin Dzeko

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started the season as third choice striker. Well, fourth! Exactly, you

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have Negredo, Aguero, looking fantastic and scoring goals. Aguero

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picks up an injury, as a result there is a loss informed to Negredo.

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To pick up the slack, you have Edin Dzeko coming in. That is the sort of

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resources the other title challengers, including Liverpool,

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brilliant to watch going forward, they haven't had that extra element

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when one of their main guys get injured. A quick word on your former

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club, Kevin, Everton. They played their part. Ross Barkley's goal,

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what a goal. He's such a wonderfully talented, gifted footballer. It's

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the right time, Roy Hodgson is watching. It sends a message at the

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right time, for Ross Barkley. The way that Everton set up yesterday,

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they reverted to system a bit. It's what Martin as did with Wigan in

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that cup final. -- Roberto Martinez. I think the goals they conceded were

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poor, they were preventable. Bringing Jagielka back in, they

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wanted to maybe give him a bit of bodies around him to relieve the

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pressure on him. It didn't quite work for them. Overall, I think they

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put in a good show, you can't say they rolled over and allowed back

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city to win the game. That defeat means they can't make the Champions

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League. There will be in the Europa league. That means Arsenal are

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guaranteed to be in fourth place before they play their game against

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West Bromwich Albion at the Emirates this afternoon. Simon Brotherton is

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therefore Match Of The Day. The shackles are off for Arsenal? They

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can play us they want, just how they like it? Yes, absolutely. They have

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scored three goals in each of the last three games, so they are

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playing with creativity and confidence once again. Going back to

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the point from a couple of minutes ago, about Edin Dzeko on the

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strength in depth up front for Manchester City, I think that is

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something that Arsenal have and confidence once again. Going back to

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the point from a couple of minutes ago, about Edin Dzeko on the

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strength in depth up front for Manchester City, I think that is

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something that Arsenal haven't and have this season. They relied very

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heavily on Olivier Giroud, and that a key point in the season, when

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injuries started to pile up, they wanted more. For a while it looked

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like they have a chance of the title. They have spent more time at

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the top of the pen elite than anybody else, with 17 weeks. But

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those injuries and that lack of strength in depth when the likes of

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Aaron Ramsey, Mesut Ozil, Theo Walcott, when they went out, perhaps

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that came into play. The other thing I thought I should say about

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Arsenal, when we look back on their season and if top four is good

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enough or not, in terms of improvement, Arsene Wenger will say

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they have improved. If they win today, they will have more points

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than they have had for the past six years. Within the three egg games,

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against the top three now, they struggled. -- three big games. They

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conceded 17 goals against the top three. They've got to start better

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in those games, that's a key area where they have to improve. But

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Arsenal will feel they are three or four games away from really

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challenging at the top. Absolutely right about the games

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challenging at the top. Absolutely teams. West Bromwich homers sort of

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game that traditionally they have won quite comfortable. What about

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West Brom? Suggestions Pepe Mel might already be on his way at the

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end of the season? He might be. It is yet to be decided. There is a get

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out clause in his contract for him and the club. I think that was about

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whether they stayed in the Premier League. Although they are not

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mathematically secure, I think they are safe. I don't think they will be

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going down. That job is basically done. I think he settled reasonably

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well in England. He wants to done. I think he settled reasonably

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continue in the job. Understandably, he would be looking for some

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assurances from Westbridge Albion. They have 12 players on loan, of

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contract or who the club have options on over the summer. That

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means there will be a lot of change. This is a club with a sporting

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director. I think Pepe Mel wants to make sure he could be in charge of

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those decisions and also that he will get a reasonable and fair

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transfer budget. He wants assurances he will be to carry out his vision

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for West Bromwich Albion. There is no suggestion he will be leaving the

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club. I think you would like to carry on next season.

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Pepe Mel, carrying on next season. It looks as though Arsene Wenger

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will be as well. He's yet to sign a new contract, but the noises are

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that it just a formality? He suggested all along that he will see

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how things are after the cup final. From one point of view, if Arsenal

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were to win the FA Cup, would that be a nice way to go? Probably. But I

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think he will always feel that he has unfinished business. I don't

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think is the kind of guy to walk away from a team that he believes is

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on the up. I think it probably is. They have improved this season, it

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just hasn't been the big improvement that they needed to maintain the

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strong start to the season. There could be a trophy, which I think is

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the be all and end could be a trophy, which I think is

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fans. But let's not take Hull City for granted. He said two or three

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signings, that is all. Then they are close to the title. Is he talking in

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points? There is only seven points between them and Liverpool and

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Manchester City. I think it might be enough, if they are good players.

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Mesut Ozil is the only time recently when he has splashed the

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Mesut Ozil is the only time recently recognised superstar. He likes to

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get them before they are famous. Would you say it has half worked? He

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had one or two Margot James where he looked off the pace, but I also saw

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some magical moments. -- one two games. I think he will be a top

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performer in the league next season. Where he has struggled is that they

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haven't have the strikers on the end of his creativity. This season, they

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have not really had an attacking option apart from Olivier Giroud. If

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he goes out, splashes the cash and brings in two or three players that

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we look at in a World Cup and say, that is a world superstar, is he

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going to buy that kind of player? Traditionally, he hasn't stopped

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some Ed ultimately, I think Mesut Ozil has been a success. He did look

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tired towards the end of the season. Two or three signings, I think they

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need perhaps one or two centre halves. There is talk of Lars

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Bender, as well. He's a top player. It interesting that you say

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defenders. We have a message on Facebook, should they splash the

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cash on three goal-scorers? They definitely need a striker. If Giroud

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stays or goes, they will need support for him. You get a lot of

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stick, saying that defensively, they have been strong, Mertesacker has

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looked good, but I think in the big games he has struggled. Alongside

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him, Koscielny, he has trouble. The top centre half they need, perhaps

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two. One or two them could leave the club. Arteta or Flamini might leave,

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and they need a striker on the back of that as well. I think this has

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been progression. Does it come down to beating Hull at Wembley? I think

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that is what the supporters will feel. If they beat route it will be

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a successful season. Overall, I think it has been progression. Is

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going to become a joke with them that finishing in the top four is a

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trophy. 17 years in a row in the Champions League is not to be

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sniffed at. I do think it is important, securing that staters. If

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there was a question as to whether he would carry on, I think his own

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pride would take a battering. In the Champions League, I think he will

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feel there is progress. Get Aaron Ramsey fit for a season and let's

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see how they do. Let's not forget how important he was early in the

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campaign. Take that threat out of the team, and this is what we get.

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You also want to see Jack Wiltshire having a full season, Chamberlain,

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Walcott. Let's go from the top four towards the bottom. Relegation is

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confirmed for Cardiff and Fulham sublets hear from their respective

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managers. Your mission, your desire,

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personally, is that to stay on and get Cardiff back into the Premier

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League? Definitely. We have had four seasons prior to this one where we

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have been top of the Championship. Now we have gone down, taken a step

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back, it is about showing character and bouncing straight back. You

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always performed as a player at the top end of things, do you think you

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will have the knowledge and experience will Championship

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football? Why shouldn't I? There is no reason for that performance. I

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want to know why we have the worst game where I have been here, and...

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I don't expect it. I thought we are fighting against relegation, and I

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have told the team we have a great chance today. But they never took

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the chance, we never searched for the chance. It was a terrible day

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for me. He is a fascinating character, Felix Magath. Do you see

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him staying at Craven Cottage? I heard a full refund saying he was --

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a Fulham fun, saying he was all for Felix Magath staging the recovery,

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but after seeing the team yesterday, he doesn't want him there any more?

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I can understand a fan looking at that and thinking there was nothing

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to it, no spine, no bone. There have been a view like that, under all

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three managers. The records have been very similar under the three.

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They have been consistently poor all season. They've conceded goals, 83

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over the course of the season. They have conceded threes, fours, sixs.

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Despite the managerial changes, possibly because of them, I think

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Rene Meulensteen was sacked at a time when he was finally settling on

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some kind of formula. I'm normally somebody that stands up for managers

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and says they should be given time, but I think Martin Jol should not

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have been given the job at the start of the season. I don't think they

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should have retained him. Things had already gone stale. Do you think it

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started a couple of years ago when it was obvious that they were

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looking to sell the club? I really do feel that. Mark Hughes was

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criticised for walking out in pursuit of a bigger club and ending

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up at QPR who got relegated. But I think Fulham 's ambition did peak

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around the Europa League final four years ago. They have been trying to

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cap costs. They have had a good academy. We often hear that. At the

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players have not really been brought through. It seems there has been a

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loss of vision and real direction over the past two years. On Cardiff,

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it has been a sorry tale. It should have been a season to savour,

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it has been a sorry tale. It should season to remember for the fans. It

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has been awful. I'd member going there early in the season and the

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beta Manchester City at home. And you think, all the criticism, this

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is where the romance is still in the competition. This is wonderful. It

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cannot be all Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 's fault. He has come into a club

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that has issues in the background. I have no problem with people being

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superstitious. If you want to play the banjo while hopping on one leg,

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go for it. But if you force your superstitions on others, is Vincent

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Tan has, that is where things happen. To play devil 's advocate,

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he has been very reasonable while. He has had some money as well. Yes,

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I think the same for Fulham. I interviewed Felix Magath in the

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tunnel yesterday and he said the biggest mistake this season was

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signing those eight players in January. I interviewed him in the

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tunnel. I asked him, will you be in charge next season? You said yes. --

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he said yes. I think you have to give a manager a trans window. He

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came in after the transfer window in January. It was a ship on its way

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down. Felix Magath in charge of fallen, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in

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charge of Cardiff, will that be the case in August? It is a difficult

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one. With Colligan Solskjaer and Cardiff in general, I think he

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touched on it himself, they have been challenging at the top of the

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Championship for some time. They have experience of the league. They

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know how it will go next season. There is a less experience that in

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Fulham 's ranks. Going back to the managers, I think Solskjaer will

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stay. He will have a good go at it next season to try and get them back

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up. There will be a question or Felix Magath. They have the youth

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structure in place and they have not really brought these talented

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players we keep hearing about through. It might be next season

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they can establish them. It will be on Justin to see how that goes. An

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interesting summer awaits, as usual. St James's Park. The Newcastle fans

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walking out. A lot was made of this protest. It was not en masse but

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there was a steady stream and they made their feelings known. It was

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ironic. It was the Cardiff the cup changed Newcastle 's fortunes. The

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Newcastle fans wanted a good cup run. It did not really work out for

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them on that day and since then they have gone on a horrendous run since

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the turn of the year. It is just not worked. Stoke city, they are set for

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their first top ten finish. Nobody thought it could get better than it

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was under Tony Pulis but it has. I would disagree psyche. There was a

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feeling last season that Tony Pulis had taken them as far as they could

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go. He kept empty as relegation but there were not

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go. He kept empty as relegation but interviewing Stoke

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go. He kept empty as relegation but muggle fans at the start

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go. He kept empty as relegation but season. Loads of respect for Tony

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Pulis. It is a difficult task. Mark Hughes is coming into a club that

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has had one man in charge for a long Hughes is coming into a club that

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time. I think he has done very well. If they win next weekend they will

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be guaranteed top ten finish. I think there are signs they are going

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in the right way. Moving to Sunderland. They will be in the top

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17. And that is all that matters. Gus Poyet said they needed a miracle

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and he got it. Yes, special, the right time. A moment that we were

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desperate for points. I think the way we came here and not

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desperate for points. I think the game very well but we score and to

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play the game we know is better for us. We keep believing. The boys have

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been outstanding. It has us. We keep believing. The boys have

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hard. People do not realise from the outside how hard it was for us every

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day. We need one more win and we will be secure. Miracles happen. It

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has been an incredible few weeks. Ever since he used that word

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miracle, they got Ever since he used that word

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Manchester city. They have a victory at Manchester 's were not reunited.

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-- Manchester United. He has at Manchester 's were not reunited.

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fantastic job. It was apparent from an early stage that he was improving

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and an improvement on Paolo Di Canio. He had them playing in a

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better way. He brought players in from the cold and had them looking

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like a team again. Then it all seemed to unravel around the time of

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the league cup final. It looked like they were drifting towards

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relegation. I was there that night that they scored two in ten minutes

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against Manchester City. That seemed to be the start of it. Even then, at

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that point, it seemed like they had a huge amount to do to turn it

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around. And yet they have gone to Stamford Bridge and Old Trafford. It

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really is amazing. There is this slight cloud possibly with the story

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about... Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff possibly mounting a legal challenge

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over the fielding of an illegible player earlier this season. Can you

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see that going anywhere? I would be surprised if it succeeded. Generally

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the Premier League are very guarded and they do not like to even

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consider docking points. I think they would do that is an absolute

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last resort. They did not wait with West Ham and Carlos tethers a few

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years ago. I would be surprised if a legal challenge was successful. I

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think those three clubs are entitled to ask the question. We shall see.

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Manchester United, guess what, they are going through another period of

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transition. It turns out that David Moyes was not doing such a bad job

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or after all. It was not just him that was the problem. The players

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have gone off the boil. It is not just the David Moyes factor. It

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looks like Louis van Gaal is a certainty now and they need that

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type of strong character. I know there was a strong sentiment from

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fans to give Ryan Giggs a go. But last year was the sentimental

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appointment. They now need an authoritarian toucan in. I think

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there was that point last week when rain Rooney was calling him dig CND

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in the interview. They need a schoolmaster approach now. Where

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does that live Ryan Giggs and the Class of '92? Different roles for

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them? Is there a role at all for Ryan Giggs and will he want it? Alan

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Shearer touched on that last night. What is his position going to be. It

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will be difficult for Ryan Giggs to suddenly say, I will do a coaching

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job, or even continue playing. It will be interesting to see how Louis

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van Gaal has that British ship a band running or if Ryan Giggs will

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leave the club -- that relationship up and running. This is a man, a

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disciplinarian. There is already talk of Arjen Robben coming in. I am

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sure that Robin van Persie is delighted with the news. I think it

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will be nerve wracking for United supporters. When I am hearing these

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names mentioned of players, why would these players leave Bayern

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Munich for Manchester United when they cannot offer Champions League

:24:52.:24:56.

football? Obviously, they are a huge club and we all know that, but they

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are the least attractive that they have been to players in years.

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Unless they are going to show Manchester City type wages... I get

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the feeling that they are desperate to go out and make a statement and

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sign one of these huge world-class players, but it has to be the right

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one. It has to be one that fixes many would grow one of the many

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deficiencies. I do not know. It seems like Louis van Gaal would be

:25:36.:25:39.

the guy to drag them forward and make sure they finish in the top for

:25:40.:25:45.

next season. But I do not see what the long-term strategy is. One issue

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I can see is he will be the manager of the Dutch in the World Cup. At

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best, he will be starting a job in July but it could even be the first

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week in July. Is that not the mistake that was made last summer in

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leaving things to late? He has to be appointed now with the proviso he is

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working in the background but can he do that when he is in charge of

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Holland at the World Cup? Going back to what Oliver was saying, players

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go and play for managers. Manchester United not being in the Champions

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League, but they play for managers. If Louis van Gaal comes calling,

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they want to go and play for him. That is the thing. It is that stage

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of the season when we talk about who will, to the Premier League. Those

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in the play-offs are out by a month. Plans are already afoot at Burnley.

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Where is your money in the play-offs? I would have to say

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Wigan, considering the run that they have been on. I am problem recycling

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bias. -- probably slightly biased. There is huge pressure on Harry

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Redknapp at QPR. Ryton have got themselves in with that great

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performers yesterday. -- Brighton. It is so open. I would not want to

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predict anything. I think maybe slightly Wigan, considering the form

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they have been in. What a day in the Championship yesterday, at the top

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and the bottom. So much drama. This is why I think four foot pole fans

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-- football fans, there is always an -- football fans, there is always an

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escape route. For burning, you would just have thought going into that

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game, the way the game progressed, during the match, it was all going

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against them, the scenes on the screens at the fantastic -- for

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Birmingham. And next season, someone else will be in that addition. --

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position. For Lee Clark, I knew Lee Clark as a player is a lively and

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bubbly character. In management, I have seen him becoming dour, not a

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lot of humour about him. To see him like a little kid again at the end

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yesterday was good to see. Yes, an angry little kid! Nine or ten months

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of pent-up anger and fury and tension being let out at the final

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whistle and sprinting towards the fans to celebrate. It is the

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emotions of that final day. It must have been an absolute roller-coaster

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for him and the players and the fans who have been through a terrible

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time the last couple of years. Great for them that they have stayed up

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and hopefully they can finally start rebuilding. A big club avoiding the

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drop. What about Bristol Rovers? Right at the bottom. It is almost

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unthinkable, they are effectively a non-league club. Yes, such a big

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club getting relegated, the way in which they did as well. You look

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through the whole season and they have not been good enough. I have

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seen them play a couple of times this season and think they have good

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layers in the side and should not be down where they are but if you are

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not getting the results, confidence goes against you and the turnaround

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at Northampton are produced, that is unbelievable. Everyone questioned

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his sanity joining them. Full credit to him. He has turned the club

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around. They were dead and buried. To turn them around anyway he has

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done, he deserves so much respect and some accolade for what he has

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done. Wycombe Wanderers are safe as well. I love the drama that we get

:29:52.:29:54.

at the end, in the Football League. We could have a double, with Brendan

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Rodgers and Nigel Worthington being cousins. That is one of the

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remarkable thing is one of the remarkable things that has been

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overlooked. Leak two from international management. -- League

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Two. It has pushed domestic names down the leagues, with international

:30:15.:30:18.

names coming in. Not necessarily a bad thing, if you can have a manager

:30:19.:30:22.

that has experience in the Premier League managing at a lower level,

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it's good for the clubs. They are getting people that are used to

:30:26.:30:28.

proper structures, professional ways of doing things. I still don't know

:30:29.:30:32.

how they managed to get him, somehow. Let's go from Brendan

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Rodgers's cousin to somebody that was once his boss, Jose Mourinho.

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Chelsea are in action against Norwich City, with their title hopes

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still, at the moment, very much alive. Their two commentators is

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Steve Wilson. -- to commentate is Steve Wilson. They could go top, but

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most people are ruling them out? It's a strange one. They could go

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top with one game to play, and yet nobody is getting entirely excited

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about that for obvious reasons. For Chelsea to win the title they need

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Manchester City and Liverpool to lose a game. It's very hard to see

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Manchester City dropping any points at home to Aston Villa or West Ham,

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let alone actually losing. So, it's very early here, we don't kick off

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until four o'clock, so there are not many fans around at the moment.

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Business as usual for the groundsman and everybody else. I don't think

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there is any great expectation that Chelsea are going to end up with the

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Premier League title this year. Next year is a different matter. They

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will invest. We are respecting Diego Costa to come here, there is talk

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about Paulinho from Tottenham. A big season for Chelsea. Jose Mourinho

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has not said it will be necessarily a headline grabbing summer, but I

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think they will do a lot business. Next season is a big one for him and

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them, you would expect them to win something next year. Didn't win

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anything last year, may not win anything this year. What are the

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odds of him going three seasons without a trophy? What about

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Norwich? They have to win today, don't they? Can you make a case for

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them at all? I mean, Sunderland did it. I'm struggling. I've seen quite

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a lot of Norwich in recent weeks. I thought they played really well for

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about 70 minutes at Carrow Road against Liverpool. They gave

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Liverpool a real scare in that game and ended up losing 3-2. But it was

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an unrecognisable performance a week later at Old Trafford. They looked

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like a beaten team. The unfortunate thing for Norwich is that they have

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to win. We are not saying there is any wriggle room for them, because

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there isn't. They've got to win this game. With the best of intentions, I

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can't see it. Nobody is there to be penning any blame at Neal Adams's

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door, he came in with five games to go and I think there were looking

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for some kind of balance in that big game against Fulham and they did not

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get it. It was mission impossible from then. I would be very

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surprised, and I apologise to Canaries fans travelling today, but

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I would be surprised if relegation isn't done and dusted by tonight.

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Sitting on the friends the microphones, beautifully! Simon is

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at Arsenal, we can get the Arsenal match in as well. You would expect

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them to go all guns blazing, but you have reservations about how they

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have been playing? There was a lot of criticism, last weekend, a lot of

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suggestion from Liverpool fans that they won it in the wrong way, it's

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not the correct way to play football. I don't buy that, there is

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no bad way to win a football match. There is a bad way to play for all,

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as a Newcastle fan pointed out to me, but not a bad way to win a game.

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We were in Munich and saw Real Madrid absolutely demolish them. Not

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playing an altogether dissimilar side to Chelsea, they defended very

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deep on the edge of their own penalty area, central midfielder sat

:34:03.:34:06.

in front of the centre half. The difference is the quality of attack,

:34:07.:34:12.

the pace of Gareth Bale, Ronaldo and Benzema, it made them of devastating

:34:13.:34:15.

on the counterattack and better to watch. I think if Mourinho had

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better strikers and wingers, the whole style becomes a more

:34:21.:34:23.

attractive prospect. If you look at storage, Suarez at Liverpool, we've

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mentioned Dzeko and Aguero, that is the sort of calibre of striker he

:34:29.:34:33.

doesn't have. If he gets that ride over the summer, the whole picture

:34:34.:34:39.

comes together. We almost need to have a hybrid of Arsene Wenger and

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Jose Mourinho, to cross between Stamford Bridge and the Emirates.

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Arsenal are unhappy they are not defensive enough and don't shut up.

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Chelsea are unhappy that they are to dour. What is the happy medium? I

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guess it is Manchester City, who are top, scored a lot of goals and not

:34:58.:35:00.

conceded as many as Liverpool or Arsenal. If you look at Chelsea in

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the second half of the season, it's very interesting what Mourinho said

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on Friday, when he was talking about how, at a certain point in the

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season, which I would suggest is December, he decided he needed to

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forget about this evolution of the team into something younger and more

:35:17.:35:20.

expensive and a more controlled, probably more boring, attritional

:35:21.:35:26.

type of football. That has been quite obvious. I know we can say

:35:27.:35:32.

with a better striker they would win more games, score more goals, I

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think that is true. And I never think life looks like a picnic for a

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strike at Chelsea. The quality of the service has never been good. The

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fullbacks don't come forward, they get little from midfield unless

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Frank Lampard is there. We have had Hazard and Oscar having their work

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rate question. I think Mourinho has to have a more cavalier attitude in

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that team. That is what Roman Abramovich has been looking for, he

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did not buy it to be dull and attritional? He plays to the

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strength of the squad. The centre halves have been protected. When

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I've seen them play, the back four is quite rigid. If one full-back

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goes, a central midfielder drops in. So, this is where it is difficult

:36:25.:36:29.

for them. If you have not got a striker scoring the goals, or where

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the movement is good enough for the players to play him through, the one

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thing I would say is that he played to their strength. Perhaps that

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Atletico game is one game too far. No matter what Brendan Rodgers says,

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you set a team of one-way, to play a certain way, set up your side and be

:36:47.:36:50.

organised, difficult to play against... You don't think it's easy

:36:51.:36:55.

to coach? No, you are trusting your players. One player does one thing

:36:56.:36:59.

wrong and it comes trembling chilly crumbling down. One play out of

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position for the first goal against Atletico, then they conceded and

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they were not chasing the game. You make a case for Norwich today? I

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can't. I really can't. I've seen a lot of them, it comes down to

:37:17.:37:21.

strikers. Van Wolfswinkel, this is a guy who scored 25 goals over the

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last four seasons. Last summer he was in the Dutch squad. He looked,

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on paper, a good purchase. One grass he has been atrocious and cannot

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score a goal. Look at Swansea, they have stretched away from relegation

:37:36.:37:39.

trouble because they have Wilfried Bony. 19 goals in his last 20 games,

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ridiculous. That is the firepower that Norwich have not had. Connor

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Wickham, finding a bit of form, getting Sunderland out of trouble.

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No striker has found a run of form for Norwich. Sorry, I can't make the

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case. From Norwich apparently getting stuff that Stamford Bridge

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to the action at Selhurst Park tonight. Liverpool are still in the

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title race, facing Crystal Palace. Let's hear from Brendan Rodgers,

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full of praise for the job his opposite number has done. I think

:38:11.:38:15.

he's done an outstanding job, really galvanised the team. I watched them

:38:16.:38:18.

recently at Everton and they defended very, very well. Players on

:38:19.:38:22.

the counterattack with speed that can hurt you, Puncheon, he's got a

:38:23.:38:30.

real spirit amongst them. He's done an outstanding job. As I said,

:38:31.:38:35.

looking to keep them in the beak, which he has done, it's been a great

:38:36.:38:39.

effort. Great effort from Tony Pulis. He's got manage of the month,

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there has been a debate about Manager of the Season. Is it down to

:38:48.:38:54.

those two? Those two and perhaps Roberto Martinez. Steve Bruce? There

:38:55.:39:00.

have been a lot of managers that have done a good job. Those two,

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Rogers and Tony Pulis, Liverpool, it looks like they will fall slightly

:39:06.:39:11.

short, most people will expect that now. The fact they have scored 96

:39:12.:39:16.

goals, 80 points with two games remaining, they've had a wonderful

:39:17.:39:21.

season. We can say there is no wrong way to play football, but Liverpool

:39:22.:39:24.

have played the right way, I think. They have done it with a group of

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players that nobody really have them down as title challengers at all.

:39:29.:39:33.

This was the season, if it was going to happen, with Manchester United

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not being involved. This is what will be killing the Liverpool fans

:39:40.:39:43.

from the inside. It is possible Maxis and everybody is going to

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rebuild, Manchester City are going to spend more money, when will they

:39:46.:39:52.

next get this close? They beat Crystal Palace 6-0, suddenly people

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will think... It's not going to happen. Well, it could happen! I

:39:57.:40:01.

have been at Stoke, when they beat Manchester United. I have been at

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Crystal Palace when they beat Chelsea. You can take nothing for

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granted. That is why it has been a fantastic season. They are going to

:40:09.:40:13.

take it to the last day, at least? I would think so. I can't see them not

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winning against Crystal Palace. An interesting last weekend of the

:40:18.:40:21.

season. This is what we wanted, we wanted it to be like this. And

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Chester city don't do things the easy way, they proved that against

:40:25.:40:28.

QPR a couple of years ago. They've had a roller-coaster ride. I am sure

:40:29.:40:35.

they are going to have twists and turns. I liked sunnier Nasri's

:40:36.:40:39.

reaction, last night. With a nice smile, you have a smile that lights

:40:40.:40:43.

up football when he is in the mood. People put that lying to me,

:40:44.:40:47.

please, no. We can't have another repeat of Queens Park Rangers. I

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tell you what, you would take it. You can see it happening. Well, in a

:40:52.:40:57.

way. One of the things about that game against QPR was that QPR were

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scrapping for points until the very end. Villa and West Ham, I don't

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think they are the toughest home games you could have in that

:41:10.:41:12.

position. Having been through that, having tripped up a few times this

:41:13.:41:15.

season and finally got things back in their own hands, I think most

:41:16.:41:20.

people would expect City to win these games and not be swept aside.

:41:21.:41:24.

You're not buying that old wives tale, when you play against a team

:41:25.:41:28.

that has nothing to play for, they are relaxed and give you a harder

:41:29.:41:37.

test? It would be a surprise. If Aston Villa West Ham pulled

:41:38.:41:40.

something out of the bag, they are not teams that have scored a hat

:41:41.:41:43.

full of goals this season. They are not teams that look like they are

:41:44.:41:48.

going to go and cause a sensation. Manchester City are probably a

:41:49.:41:51.

little Budweiser for the experienced two years ago when they came so

:41:52.:41:55.

close to blowing it. The point was made to me yesterday about

:41:56.:41:58.

Pellegrini, people say he is so often the bridesmaid in management.

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We are so blinkered to think about European football? In South America

:42:03.:42:05.

he has titles galore, the second most decorated club manager. I think

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his idea was to get them through the Champions League. He got them out of

:42:16.:42:17.

the group stage, not particularly great after they got through. That

:42:18.:42:22.

was his remit. He signed quality players in the summer. They are

:42:23.:42:25.

progressing and going forward again. Overall, probably going back to

:42:26.:42:32.

teams like Everton, there was a lot of negativity around Everton's game

:42:33.:42:35.

yesterday, whether or not they were going to roll over. They didn't do

:42:36.:42:38.

that. They went up them. It was an open game. I can't see teams doing

:42:39.:42:43.

that, but I think Manchester City will win the last two games. City

:42:44.:42:50.

for you for the title? Connor? I think so, they had been in

:42:51.:42:54.

high-pressure situations before. It is possible Aston Villa could turn

:42:55.:42:57.

them over midweek, absolutely. The only time I've seen them struggle

:42:58.:43:00.

was restored Palace around Christmas, when they needed a late

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goal. If it is still 0-0 at half-time, things will get edgy. But

:43:05.:43:10.

they score early and turn teams over. That is what I was alluding

:43:11.:43:15.

to. I can foresee is getting to the last game of the season, 0-0 at the

:43:16.:43:19.

Etihad and Liverpool winning? Almost hoping for it! With City, again,

:43:20.:43:28.

they do have the individuals to dig them out. In the second half of the

:43:29.:43:32.

season, I don't think Manchester City, as a team, have always

:43:33.:43:35.

performed to that level. They have always had an individual to step

:43:36.:43:40.

forward. Yaya Toure, Silva, Aguero, Dzeko. We could have gone on for

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ever, but that is your lot for today. My thanks to Oliver, Connor,

:43:47.:43:52.

and Kevin. Live text commentary is already up and running on the BBC

:43:53.:43:55.

website. Enjoy your bank holiday.

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