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Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two, Five Five

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and the BBC sport website with me, Stoke midfielder Charlie Adam,

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former Northern Ireland international dash from Republic of

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Ireland international Kevin Kilbane and daily Mirror sports writer John

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Cross. This is how to get in touch and use the hashtag on social media,

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BBC football. Mourinho still not beaten against Arsene Wenger

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although a late goal from Olivier Giroud leaves Jose disappointed.

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Yaya Toure the main man. Spurs clinch victory over West Ham to

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maintain their unbeaten start to the season. The Tigers tamed and Chelsea

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with the chance to go top later at Middlesbrough. This is what some of

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the papers are saying, the Observer has Wayne Rooney branding his

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treatment by the media this week is disgraceful, the Sun on Sunday says

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his fellow England stars Adam Lallana and Jordan Henderson was

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seen at a strip club in Bournemouth, although without Kevin Kilbane, we

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can confirm! What was the same night as Rooney. More about that, the FA

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is also planning to speak to Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard about

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coaching roles in the national team setup, Steven Gerrard heavily linked

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with the manager 's job at MK Dons. The big game at Old Trafford

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yesterday finished 1-1, Mourinho keeping his unbeaten record against

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Arsene Wenger in the Premier League although he says it felt like a

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defeat. I am very sad for the players and fans. The feeling is

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good, the empathy is good, I know that last season Manchester United

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won is matches at home and people were leaving the stadium ten minutes

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before, they were not happy with the kind of performance, the kind of

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football. This season we have had three consecutive draws at home, and

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people are not happy with the result but they are with the team, then the

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direction we are going in. But football is made of points, in the

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end, they are the most important thing and the reality is that we had

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these two matches at home. John Cross, you were at Old Trafford

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yesterday. Jose Mourinho with the unluckiest team in the Premier

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League? He seems to go on about is how they don't got what they

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deserve, you don't come in football. Every manager thinks he is the

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unluckiest in the world! I have some sympathy with him although yesterday

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Manchester United could not say that. At 1-0 they were so dominant,

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they absolutely bossed the game from start to finish and they had to win

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it. They were running out. There was only one team in it, Arsenal game

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did not show up to a big game, that's got to be a concern if you

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are pushing for the title and that is the ambition this season, they

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were outclassed by Manchester United, Ander Herrera was the best

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on the pitch, they did not kill the game off. It gave Arsenal are

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licensed to get back into the game, two great substitute performances

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from Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Bolivia Giroud, Manchester United

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will kick themselves. Charlie, you watched the game. If you Mac we

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watched in the dressing room before the game. It was a surprise, the

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quality they've got, that was the major disappointment. Mourinho is a

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top manager and it will take time. The expectation at Manchester United

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is that you have to win every game. He hasn't been able to keep these

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clean sheets, has he? Historically he would win a game like that. He

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hasn't found that yet with Manchester United, they are

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conceding sloppy goals, even towards the end of his reign at Chelsea they

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did that. I don't know if the players are not taking on board what

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he is saying to them but we haven't seen that at Manchester United yet,

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because normally in his career he would have won at 1-0. Bringing back

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Michael Carrick is a key player. He steadied the ship. Ander Herrera row

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has played really well since Mourinho has come in. He's been a

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different player. He steadied the ship and allows others to play. Why

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did it take them so long to bring him back? He's a quality player. The

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way he sits there, sees all the play and dictates, it was almost like a

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four 141 yesterday, United were great and the balance in midfield

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got the best out of Paul Pogba. When you arrive with an ?89 million price

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tag on your head and brings a different level of expectation and

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you will be judged differently and sometimes he has fallen below that.

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I thought it was a good performance from him yesterday. I thought

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Manchester United were about that power and pace. Mata played so well

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as well. I don't think to get the best out of Paul Pogba he should

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play besides somebody, I think you have to keep the three in there, the

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holding midfielder and one on the side and him on the left. He has the

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pace and power to run with the ball as well. Mourinho realises that is

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the formation to go with, it could be a dominant force in the next few

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weeks. They are still behind with a should be, as their fans would say.

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They expect Manchester United to be right at the top challenging. They

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are challenging top four but I think they will fall short. Mourinho said

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it himself, they will not win the league this year. That's the

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problem, a lot of Manchester United fans are trying to take on board

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that they've spent all this money in the last few years, the highest-paid

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team in the world and they can't sustain a title challenge. It's just

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taking time for Mourinho to get these methods over. There's a lot to

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take from yesterday, a lot of positives, how much they dominated

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the game and took it to Arsenal. In the Stoke game this season they

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played quite well and created so many chances, they did not win the

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game and they received criticism for conceding one goal against Stoke. I

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think there have been positives this season, aside progressing but it is

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just defensively that they need a couple of centre halves summer just

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to come in there... Phil Jones hasn't played all season, there were

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three out of four who haven't played all season so not a lot of game time

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in them. Chris Smalling is missing as well. It will take them time, I

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have been really surprised at their young player, who has been a very

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good signing for them and he's been excellent so far, as soon as they

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get everyone back fit they will be winning games. Mourinho arrived and

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said, I'm going for the title. He's a winner and we want to win every

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game. But what they want to win every game. I respect and admire

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that but he has looked at it and realised again yesterday he was

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talking about how it will take him a year or so, and all the other

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coaches, we even mentioned Antonio Conte. He arrived at the same time

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as Mourinho. Manchester United, it's all about trying to finish in the

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top four, for me because the title is out of reach but the team still

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needs major surgery defensively. What options have they got up front?

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Zlatan was missing yesterday and he's still a big player for them. He

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is at an age where you've got to get at least one striker. The title is

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out of reach, says Kevin, do Arsenal have to be bolder against title

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rivals? One shot, one Dole yesterday. Unlike Arsenal, where

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they score goals, you actually force them wide because they don't cross

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the ball. They continue to come back into the strength of the team when

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they are defensively lined up. Yesterday is a break from the

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non-Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain went wide, beat Rashford easily and put

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across. As a kid growing up that was a great goal to see. We're talking

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about Arsenal at Old Trafford, Manchester United have been a

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dominant force over the last years, we talked about Arsenal trying to

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dominate the game, it won't happen. Sometimes you realise that when you

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go to these places... As Mourinho says he never wants to get beaten in

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the League 1, you will take one point, OK Arsenal next point but it

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is important that sometimes you realise where you will be playing.

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Old Trafford, a big stadium, it's a difficult place to get a result. I

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want your falls, Charlie Adam, on Wayne Rooney. He said interesting

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things after the game about his treatment by the media -- want your

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thoughts. He felt the media were trying to write his obituary. He

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won't let that happen. Your thoughts before we talk about Adam Lallana

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and Henderson. He's spot on. His captain of his country. He has been

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one of the top players for England for a number of years. OK, he's had

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a drink. So what? He's in a hotel, trying to do the right thing by

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staying in a hotel because he's a professional. England staff were

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there as well. Pictures have been taken and got out into the media. I

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think it is a disgrace, and he's trying to do the right thing by

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staying in a hotel and having a drink, we have all been there. Once

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tries! What are your duties? In the past we would meet on a Sunday and

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have some drinks because the lads had played all weekend, the manager

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would allow it although it would never happen in the week. I don't

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think the England lads are drinking in the week. They've had a game,

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finished, got back to the hotel at 12 o'clock and is having a couple of

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drinks, what's wrong with that? You are the disgrace, John! I do think

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some of the criticism of Rooney this week has been over the top and I've

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been vocal about it. Looking back on his career he will go down as one of

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England's all-time greats. Because he conducts himself well, here's a

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brilliant talent. Arguably he's made a mistake here. He has apologised so

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he obviously accepts that. From my perspective one I've had dealings

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with him he's been very approachable and sociable. -- when I've had

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dealings with him. Friendly. Ironically he stayed indoors to be

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out of the spotlight. He tried to do the right thing and it backfired. If

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Gareth Southgate or someone in the hotel said to him, time to go to

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bed, that's a different story. We don't know the facts. The fact is

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that if he went to his local pub and Hudson some beers he isn't doing

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something wrong although he is probably more vulnerable because

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he's out. Here, he stayed in a hotel, I have done it while on

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international duty, we've had a singsong and a laugh and some drinks

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in the bar and that's been it. Nothing wrong with it. It won't

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affect the performance on Tuesday the matter what the sport scientists

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say. It won't affect the importance. He probably played Z Cars on the

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piano, we must ask the guests. Friday night was the game, Saturday

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night you are of committees to is the next game, is it acceptable to

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drink until 5am is a professional athlete? What time did he have his

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drink, 1am? Gareth Southgate says it is OK. It is not like he sneaked

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somewhere. He's allowed it to happen, it is not just Wayne

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Rooney's fraud, the manager must take some blame, or the FA must

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apologise, they allowed it to happen. The staff and other players

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were there. They were with him. It is what happens. It is just filling

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newspapers. And so is this, on the front of the Sun on Sunday England

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stars at a strip club. Adam Lallana and Jordan Henderson visiting a

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strip club on the night that Wayne Rooney was boozing until 5am and

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this was in Bournemouth, Kevin. That all fits into the argument that

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Wayne Rooney has been responsible by staying in the team hotel while the

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others went out. I've never frequented a place like that, that

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is not just me. I would stay in a hotel bar and have a few drinks.

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This is another thing, going back to the Wayne Rooney issue, he tried to

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do it right, the lads had a night off, they are within their rights to

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have a night out. We've talked about the English, British, Irish culture,

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whatever it is, they say that this is ingrained in the player 's

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culture and it is happening in Germany, Spain and every other

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league in the world. Rugby players do it, sports men and women to it

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but because their profile is so high they will get the brunt of that,

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that is the way it is. Paul has been in touch saying they should leave

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Wayne Rooney alone, he does not get the credit he deserves on or off the

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pitch. Neal said, it's not a big issue, he went to a wedding,

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probably made the couple's day, they will never forget it,. Phillips is,

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don't go out and act the way you did, do it when you retire! They are

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not robots, you have to enjoy yourself. There is a lot of pressure

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on them. Natalie says that if historically he had behaved in a

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more mature and gentlemanly fashion the media would be less harsh. I

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don't think that is a fair accusation, he has gone up a level

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since he's been captain. If you look at how mature he has been since

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taking on the armband he doesn't see it as a responsibility. He has posed

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for pictures and there's a lesson in the fridge, don't do that. He will

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have learned a harsh lesson from that -- there's a lesson in the

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future. He's been a good England leader. When you hear Rooney speak,

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I did a press Conference when England played France at Wembley

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after the Paris terror attacks, you would not hear a player speak better

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than Rooney did, he was respectful, he caught the mood, he has been a

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great captain. I think we lose sight of the fact sometimes of just what a

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great player he has been. I think he has been to mature on the

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pitch and guidance and. People said, when he matures, he'll be

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unbelievable. When he has taken a cloud of his game, he's probably

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lost the real Wayne Rooney. You can't have it both ways sometimes

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and that is the problem. Let's talk about another man who has had to

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apologise, Yaya Toure to Pep Guardiola. Yaya Toure was in the

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starting line-up for Manchester United today and scored two goals as

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they got their result. I am so happy for him. He is a nice guy. His

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weight is perfect now and there is no doubt about his quality. In the

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beginning, we decided... We didn't count on him. He would not be here,

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he would be... We didn't know his personality quality. He can play

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many positions and I'm so happy for him and for his family and, of

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course, we have one more man to help us to achieve our target this year.

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Do Pep Guardiola... You have a wry smile on your face! I love that

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interview. He's been out of the team for so long. He is paying lip

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service. I think Gary Hattori is a fantastic guy. -- Yaya Toure. He was

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bursting into the box, he's got power, pace, smashes it into the top

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corner and that is what you are your Tory is about. Clearly there has

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been a bit of an issue. He does leaner and fitter and I think it is

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the fact that they are all in black, which is good for the fuller figure,

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shall we say... I think he's a great player and there have been issues

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with him and his agent by Manchester City. I think it has been a waste of

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a world-class talent and a very sad reflection. You have played against

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him. What's he like? A difficult opponent. Big, strong, powerful. He

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can score a goal as well. In that spell, he was scoring free kick

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after free kick every week and he is a big player to have back in the

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squad. As Guardiola said, being in the league is their aim and with

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someone like Toure there, it will help. Do you think he is back for

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good? I do think he is but the good and you can't underestimate the

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impact that will have on the team spirit. You can see what it meant to

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have him back aside and what it meant everyone within the squad and

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with the whole coaching staff and everything. I think you'll have a

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huge impact. It is a type that they need in the game. Palace equalised.

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-- a tonic that they need. They have maybe crumbled a bit. They have not

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been able to get that second goal. Yaya Toure gives you that sparked it

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up with that is what he is going to give to them on a regular basis

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under Guardiola, he can't not play him. Let's move onto Vincent Kompany

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because I spoke to Pep Guardiola after the game and he said he was

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concussed, which is good news because it is not his par-4 knee or

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a troublesome injury. Is enough enough? Well, if it is concussion,

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that is a good sign. These injuries keep happening so there has got to

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be something where there are problems or the training methods or

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something has to do be looked at. Maybe his body just can't take the

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physical demands of the Premier League. We don't know. I've got some

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sympathy with him. It must be heartbreaking to be that good and be

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a great leader and then it is not related... This latest one is a

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freak injury, a collision. Or is it related? Was because he was rushed

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in the way he approached that situation with the goalkeeper? I

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don't think so. I think it was a freak collision. I've not seen it

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because we had a game. Someone like Paul McGrath played for the last 15,

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30 years, these are players that are world-class defenders that couldn't

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train. They weren't training Monday to Friday. A player can't do that

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now. They can't get away with not training Monday to Friday. Guardiola

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would not pick him. He needs a manager that could do that to him

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but could he sustain that going into that physicality? For Crystal

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Palace, a fifth straight defeat and you heard Alan Shearer say last

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night, 0.71, the lowest points average of all the top four leagues

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in England. Let's hear from their manager Alan Pardew. We've got some

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games coming up that probably we've got chance of winning but we now

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need to put ourselves under pressure. We needed a result today

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to give ourselves a lift and we haven't had that so we've got to get

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back to the training room, get back to making sure the messages get on

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the pitch and people do their jobs, simple things, and the rest will

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take care of itself. The dressing room is strong and determined, like

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you are? Everyone is determined? The dressing room is angry because they

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want to put it right, there's no doubt about that. There were a few

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words said at the end from me and the players and we're fighting and

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we're going to have to make sure that between now and Christmas we

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pick up some points. The points average over the calendar year,

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anger, Alan Pardew said. Does it help? It does. You need emotion. We

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went through a spell where we lost a few games in a row 4-0. You need to

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stick together and we knew we had the quality in the dressing room, it

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was just a matter of time when it was going to happen. Luckily, it

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changed. We have a spell where we played Sunderland, Hull city and

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Swansea and we won all three of them. Apart from yesterday, we lost

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a game that we should have won, but you need that fight and that burning

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desire in your belly that some people need a few home truths. No

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clean sheets since April for Crystal Palace. Cheney on Facebook as a

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question. You can't say Newcastle fans didn't warn us. Pardue

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absolutely clueless. That is not a question, it is a statement! Last

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season I had an awful run but what do Palace fans remember? It was

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reaching the FA Cup final. It was a really tough ask. I think in all the

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games, we saw a few weeks ago against Liverpool, they are in that

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game. They are scoring goals, creating chances. I don't think they

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are a hopeless case. If you ask experts and fans alike, not many

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would say Palace will go down. It is not great but I do think Alan Pardew

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is still a manager who will turn things around and they are creating

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chances and scoring goals but the former is a massive worry. But I

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think you look at the squad and there is creativity, quality going

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forward. The thing that strikes me when I look at them is the defence.

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Defensively, I'm not sure about the quality in the back four and I think

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they have conceded far too many goals. How they were in the

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Liverpool game, I don't know, because Liverpool were magnificent

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but they still looked a threat. They were playing to Ben techie's

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strength. -- Christian Benteke's strength. Five games unbeaten now.

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They've gone five games, five losses on the bounce, and I think looking

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at them and you get on those runs and it is difficult to turn it

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round. We've all been on them and it is difficult to reverse that. You

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concede a goal and it is like the end of the world when you concede

:23:41.:23:43.

one goal and that is what has happened with Palace at the moment.

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That second goal yesterday was a killer for them and it is difficult

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to reverse. Staying in London, you were at White Hart Lane yesterday. A

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combat the Tottenham 32 against West Ham. Three games unbeaten and the

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last time they did that was 1960/61. They weren't great yesterday. By got

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out of jail towards the end of the game. First off, they were awful,

:24:09.:24:12.

about 70 present possession but created nothing. West Ham were the

:24:13.:24:16.

more threatening side. All of a sudden, they come out at half-time.

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It was right at the half of the time, Johnson went and closed

:24:22.:24:25.

another player down under got the crowd up. They got them back on the

:24:26.:24:30.

front foot, created a few chances, got back again but once they concede

:24:31.:24:33.

the penalty, it looked to me like, here we go again, the same old

:24:34.:24:37.

Tottenham. They didn't look like they were going to be able to break

:24:38.:24:42.

West Ham down. All three came from the right-hand side it up they were

:24:43.:24:45.

good going forward with Antonio but he struggles when he gets in

:24:46.:24:49.

one-on-one positions. The voice of Kevin Kilbane, if you're listening

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on Radio 5 live. John, where are we up to on this hurricane contract?

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Yesterday Pochettino said he is one of the best strikers in the world.

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Where are we up to on his contract? 50 grand a week he earns at the

:25:04.:25:11.

moment. By saying that, he is one of the best strikers in the world, and

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dumped arguably by current standards should be earning in excess of

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?150,000 a week, ?150,000 more. -- ?100,000 more. I don't think there

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is any chance the Tottenham chairman, a notoriously good wheeler

:25:28.:25:30.

in dealer, very tight on contracts, wants to go over six figures in the

:25:31.:25:35.

market. They will have to pay to keep him. I think they will and that

:25:36.:25:39.

is why they have delayed contract talks to the end of the season.

:25:40.:25:43.

There is no doubt that Harry Caine wants to stay at Tottenham for the

:25:44.:25:46.

long-term but he also knows, obviously, that he could earn far

:25:47.:25:50.

more elsewhere. He is one of the best strikers. Why did Spurs win the

:25:51.:25:55.

game? One man, hurricane. That is why he is worth his weight in gold

:25:56.:25:59.

it och Pochettino has said to him not to look at other people's wages.

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You must do that! He is the best player so he should be paid the

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best. If I was Tottenham, I would sign him up as quick as possible on

:26:11.:26:13.

the longest deal possible. Football in this day and age, we talk about

:26:14.:26:21.

structures. Will get blown out of the water because how much would

:26:22.:26:28.

replace -- cost to replace hurricane? The same as Wayne Rooney.

:26:29.:26:32.

Bring in someone from abroad who doesn't know the league to... It is

:26:33.:26:37.

a big risk and that is why they sign him up. Harry Kane will get what he

:26:38.:26:43.

deserves. I think it is... If I was Tottenham, I would get the contract

:26:44.:26:47.

signed and not wait till the summer. A big week for Spurs, isn't it? And

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they've struggled in the Champions League, struggle to get themselves

:26:53.:26:58.

back in. It has been a surprise, particularly at Wembley. They've got

:26:59.:27:01.

a good team and I thought they would win quite easily but they have

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struggled. I think it is a big week for them. It is where they want to

:27:06.:27:11.

be and you put yourself on that pedestal of Champions League

:27:12.:27:13.

football and that is where you got to play the big money, where Harry

:27:14.:27:19.

Kane and his like can demand that. I think Christian Eric and has

:27:20.:27:25.

struggled. He was quite poor in the match yesterday. Just a word about

:27:26.:27:30.

West Ham. Worrying to be a West Ham fan. We've talked about them all

:27:31.:27:33.

season a lot but their next three games, Manchester United, Arsenal

:27:34.:27:36.

and Liverpool. It is really worrying. I don't think they've hit

:27:37.:27:41.

form all season. People expected them to push on, having done last

:27:42.:27:46.

season so well under Slaven Bilic. I would question some of the transfers

:27:47.:27:51.

over summer. I Bessemer business was particularly ported rock they set

:27:52.:27:54.

out to make a marquee signing. That didn't happen. They had loans or

:27:55.:28:01.

smaller amounts in Premier League terms. I've seen positives from West

:28:02.:28:08.

Ham. I saw the game at the Etihad last season where they had a good

:28:09.:28:11.

structure defensively and work breaking through. That was a big

:28:12.:28:19.

positive, getting Sakho back in the game. I thought they looked better

:28:20.:28:25.

defensively. We played them the game before the international break and I

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was disappointed to talk especially at home. The atmosphere was flat,

:28:30.:28:36.

there was nothing... It was not the West Ham way, going to Upton Park

:28:37.:28:39.

where the crowd are on top of you and there was a buzz. I felt it was

:28:40.:28:48.

flat and paella was disappointing. -- Payet was disappointing. We felt

:28:49.:28:54.

as if we controlled the game against them the other week and that will be

:28:55.:29:00.

a major disappointment for them. It remains difficult. West Ham just

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above the bottom three. Let's talk about one team very much in there,

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Sunderland. A big game at the bottom yesterday, Sunderland beating Hull

:29:08.:29:13.

3-0. Jermain Defoe's 150th Premier League goal and two goals from

:29:14.:29:17.

Victor and it to be gave them the win, and here is David Moyes. He was

:29:18.:29:22.

like Didier Drogba at times. He was so hard to play against. If he can

:29:23.:29:28.

add goals to his game as well, it has been a bit unlucky with a couple

:29:29.:29:32.

of others. We were pleased because he has helped us and we needed

:29:33.:29:35.

something else in the team. It has not been easy but he was a handful

:29:36.:29:42.

today, that's for sure. David Moyes, your old manager, calling your old

:29:43.:29:47.

team-mate a baby dropped the. I'm not sure what he means. When Victor

:29:48.:29:53.

first came in at Everton when he was 16, 17, we couldn't believe how

:29:54.:29:56.

physical he was at that age and he is a player that has had a few

:29:57.:30:02.

injury problems. He needs a bit of love. For all the strength and brute

:30:03.:30:07.

power he has, he needs an arm around him, like so many players do. But

:30:08.:30:11.

there is a talent in there. It was an interesting signing when David

:30:12.:30:14.

Moyes got because I thought if anyone was going to get him, it

:30:15.:30:18.

would be David Moyes. He knows how to handle him, how his personality

:30:19.:30:22.

would react to different situations. Delighted for Victor because

:30:23.:30:26.

Sunderland have a player that is underestimated, has underachieved a

:30:27.:30:29.

bit in his career and I think he can go on now and really established

:30:30.:30:33.

himself and get a good partnership with Defoe because he is what

:30:34.:30:34.

Jermain Defoe needs. That is Victor Anichebe's first

:30:35.:30:45.

double since you played with him! Sunderland turning the corner?

:30:46.:30:52.

Whatever he has been doing, it's been working. In the Premier League

:30:53.:30:57.

it just needs one display like at Bournemouth with a goalkeeper kept

:30:58.:31:02.

them in the game and they won that, winning breeds confidence and they

:31:03.:31:05.

seem to be getting some confidence now. On Facebook Anthony says

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Sunderland had to win, they need a parachute, without Hull have been

:31:14.:31:23.

dropping. Hull's situation looks desperate, they did have chances

:31:24.:31:27.

before Sunderland took the lead and they had decent chances late on but

:31:28.:31:32.

if momentum is all-important for Sunderland it also works the other

:31:33.:31:36.

way and they just can't get out of that rut, Hull City at the moment,

:31:37.:31:41.

they made a terrific start, everyone applauding them but we all said,

:31:42.:31:45.

they have to make significant investment because the squad is not

:31:46.:31:49.

strong or deep enough. A couple of signings already, nowhere near

:31:50.:31:53.

enough. If everyone names their favourites to go down, the first

:31:54.:31:57.

name you mention, as cruel as it sounds, is Hull City. Mike Phelan

:31:58.:32:03.

will do very well to keep them up because there's just not enough

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quality to keep them in the division. This win by Sunderland

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means Swansea on our bottom of the Premier League. So Bob Bradley,

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their manager, is still searching for his first win as Swansea boss.

:32:18.:32:22.

He's the first Swansea manager not to get a win, Kevin, in his first

:32:23.:32:29.

Premier League games in charge. His predecessor got four from 21. I

:32:30.:32:36.

didn't see how the flow of the game went but it sounded as if Everton

:32:37.:32:40.

were poor in the first half and Swansea dominated. They could have

:32:41.:32:45.

been ahead more than they were. When you are on top you got to put the

:32:46.:32:50.

match to bed, it goes back to what we said before, when you are at the

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bottom and concede a goal everything crumbles around you. They cannot

:32:54.:32:59.

break this mould. This trend they are on a moment of conceding, then

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dropping points. It worrying for them. Matt asks why we are giving

:33:03.:33:10.

Bradley such a bashing, he says this is not a bad result especially when

:33:11.:33:14.

most Everton fans seem to think that Ronald Koeman will turn them into a

:33:15.:33:20.

top team. Charlie, would you listen to what Bradley says, he talks a

:33:21.:33:24.

good game. Would you think he knows what he is on about? He's done a

:33:25.:33:29.

decent job with the American national team but he hasn't got bad

:33:30.:33:33.

experience in the Premier League. The players sensed that. Do they

:33:34.:33:38.

really know, the jobs that he has had have not been big and this is a

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tough job to have. Like Kevin said, it just seems... Can he play

:33:45.:33:52.

different ways, grind out a result, set out a different site like Sam

:33:53.:33:57.

Allardyce and do that, I'm not sure he's got the mouse. I feel Swansea

:33:58.:34:03.

have only one way of playing. You know that they will try to pass it

:34:04.:34:07.

through the lines. They don't want to go direct. Play that long ball,

:34:08.:34:14.

they just want to keep playing the same way. He needs to be able to

:34:15.:34:19.

play in a different way to get a result. If I was Bob Bradley I would

:34:20.:34:25.

be seriously worried because Garry Monk was sacked too soon. Francesco

:34:26.:34:31.

Guido Lynn was sacked too soon and that lack of stability at a club

:34:32.:34:34.

does no one any favours. Bradley must be worried about it. I don't

:34:35.:34:40.

think he's got a top-class experience, he has been an

:34:41.:34:44.

international manager but not at a top club. The players will be

:34:45.:34:48.

thinking, if he is here for the long term? -- is easier for the long

:34:49.:34:57.

term? They want their own man and he is an American. They say they had

:34:58.:35:03.

never met him before. It'll be a difficult job to keep him up. He

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said that they were in a crisis and Bradley was reacting to that. Crisis

:35:12.:35:15.

is too strong a word but there is uneasiness about the manager. And

:35:16.:35:20.

there have been a couple of incidents with the managers, when we

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played them the other week, if you stop Gylfi Sigurdsson you stop the

:35:28.:35:30.

whole team. They've got to find a different way to get results like

:35:31.:35:34.

David Moyes add Sunderland, they know how to win. They have the most

:35:35.:35:39.

experience of getting a run going over the last few years, it'll be

:35:40.:35:45.

interesting to watch it. Yesterday you played 90 minutes, Stoke against

:35:46.:35:50.

Bournemouth, a defeat at home but a very good spell for you before that.

:35:51.:35:54.

We did not start well, we would disappointing. -- we were

:35:55.:36:00.

disappointing. And they should have had a penalty, even I can say that.

:36:01.:36:05.

It was a stonewall penalty. They passed well and did a job on us,

:36:06.:36:11.

they never really... In the second half we were much better and created

:36:12.:36:16.

chances and if we had won the Game 4-1 it probably would have been

:36:17.:36:21.

justified. But this is the Premier League and if you don't turn up for

:36:22.:36:25.

the first 45 minutes you can get the game taken away from you. Today 4pm

:36:26.:36:31.

kick off Chelsea travel to Middlesbrough, Chelsea top of the

:36:32.:36:34.

Premier League with a win at the Riverside, Eden Hazard was the

:36:35.:36:39.

Premier League Player of the Month for October and he's been speaking

:36:40.:36:44.

to Juliet. We've played a lot of good games, we are almost on top and

:36:45.:36:49.

we want to stay top, I hope I can continue like this. What do you put

:36:50.:36:55.

this down to? After Arsenal were changed the system and now it is

:36:56.:37:00.

better. To rewind to last season when things were not going well what

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was your relationship like with Jose Mourinho? It was the same as last

:37:05.:37:11.

season, for him it is difficult to lose a game because in his career he

:37:12.:37:16.

wins all the time. S we were together at the top. We suffered

:37:17.:37:25.

together. When he left you send him a text, do you still communicate

:37:26.:37:30.

with him? Sent a message just to say good luck. I hope that he can win

:37:31.:37:34.

some games, not too many because we want Chelsea to be champions! We

:37:35.:37:40.

want to be top again. What is the challenge for you, a couple of years

:37:41.:37:44.

ago everybody thought you were the best player in the world. I am still

:37:45.:37:50.

young, only 25! I want to be the best, it is not in my head at all, I

:37:51.:37:59.

want to enjoy it and if I can be the best I will be, if not, it's not a

:38:00.:38:02.

problem. I just want to play. I don't want to be like Lionel Messi

:38:03.:38:06.

or Ronaldo, I just want to be me and be the best. John did not believe a

:38:07.:38:12.

word that Pep Guardiola was saying. A bit of an excuse, change the

:38:13.:38:15.

formation and everything will change? I think that Antonio Conte

:38:16.:38:22.

has told him, you are my best player, we want everything to go

:38:23.:38:25.

through you and it has changed the whole way he played. Last season he

:38:26.:38:30.

was below what he had achieved before and this season he is a top

:38:31.:38:37.

player... Like Kevin said before, the manager giving an arm around you

:38:38.:38:41.

and saying, you are my best player, I want you to perform, and he's done

:38:42.:38:47.

that. I think there's less responsibility if you play

:38:48.:38:50.

defensively, he has said, stay in the final third, play in the

:38:51.:38:53.

positions you want to and get forward with less responsibility and

:38:54.:38:58.

it is suiting him. Don't underestimate the aspect that Diego

:38:59.:39:02.

Costa has on that side, he's my favourite player to watch in the

:39:03.:39:06.

legal bar none. Rings spark to every game. Some might not like it but 99

:39:07.:39:12.

out of every 100 players can't do what Eden Hazard does what Lionel

:39:13.:39:18.

Messi or Ronaldo. Diego Costa brings something to Chelsea that not many

:39:19.:39:23.

other strikers can provide. -- he brings spark. This is why I like him

:39:24.:39:28.

so much. He gives Chelsea so much. He's great to watch. I love the fact

:39:29.:39:33.

that he said this week that he would not leave Chelsea until they won the

:39:34.:39:38.

Premier League game. He's put himself out there. Or until Mourinho

:39:39.:39:44.

comes back! He's been linked because he's such a great player, with

:39:45.:39:49.

big-money deals abroad, and frustration but I think he feels

:39:50.:39:53.

loyalty. They've been good for him Chelsea and he is good for them.

:39:54.:40:00.

Where would he go? Paris? Would he get a game at Real Madrid with

:40:01.:40:06.

Ronaldo and Gareth Bale? I'd be surprised. Can he be a great, in the

:40:07.:40:12.

sense of players like Lionel Messi or Ronaldo? I think those two are on

:40:13.:40:16.

a different level from everyone else and he's in the same bracket as

:40:17.:40:23.

Gareth Bale, he could be great at Chelsea, I think that could be good

:40:24.:40:27.

enough. To see where he can go, I think it would be difficult to leave

:40:28.:40:33.

and go anywhere else. Today is big in the grand scheme of things, going

:40:34.:40:39.

to Middlesbrough with the chance to go top, psychologically important.

:40:40.:40:43.

It will definitely bring defensive structure to the side, that is what

:40:44.:40:46.

Aitor Karanka has done with his side, they will maybe try to stifle

:40:47.:40:50.

Chelsea today. They did that at Arsenal and they could have one,

:40:51.:40:55.

probably should have one. Sorry, Manchester City. And I saw them

:40:56.:40:59.

against Watford about a month ago and they quite poor. They couldn't

:41:00.:41:04.

break Watford town. It will set them today, it will be a better game for

:41:05.:41:08.

them to try to go to sit deep and get on the break a bit. Yaya Toure

:41:09.:41:25.

is the key player. -. Toure is the key player. And what about

:41:26.:41:29.

Middlesbrough Aitor Karanka has been accused of being too conservative at

:41:30.:41:34.

times. You've got to be, when you first come into the league you have

:41:35.:41:38.

to be realistic and say, one pint at Manchester City, when you go to

:41:39.:41:43.

teams like that, way, it's a good point. You have to know your

:41:44.:41:49.

capabilities. They will have to sit in a bag of five and wait for

:41:50.:41:53.

Chelsea to hit them. He's an engaging character. He's got some

:41:54.:41:57.

great thoughts on the game, passionate about the Premier League,

:41:58.:42:01.

he says it is a much more competitive and exciting than La

:42:02.:42:05.

Liga and he worked under Mourinho at Madrid so that's quite a compliment.

:42:06.:42:11.

The problem Boro have is creating clear-cut chances and scoring. And

:42:12.:42:15.

that will be, this is why he has to be realistic and he's doing the

:42:16.:42:19.

right thing. You have to balance it out. I wonder if he will try to

:42:20.:42:23.

address that in the way the team set up and maybe in the January window.

:42:24.:42:33.

They must be spending big wages on their striker. Can you get a few

:42:34.:42:46.

players scoring goals, there are some that you look at to provide

:42:47.:42:50.

some spark, although it's about stopping sites, I agree with John,

:42:51.:42:56.

Tony Pulis and other managers have done that brilliantly, stopping

:42:57.:42:59.

sites and trying to score from a set piece. A draw is the best compliment

:43:00.:43:06.

you can give Aitor Karanka, he was almost tripping over his feet last

:43:07.:43:11.

season and this season he has blossomed, he has power and pace, so

:43:12.:43:18.

dangerous, a terrific threat. Chelsea could go top, is that

:43:19.:43:22.

somewhere where you could see them in May? They will definitely be

:43:23.:43:30.

there. I think it will be between Chelsea and City for the league,

:43:31.:43:36.

City will just edge it. I think it will be between Manchester City and

:43:37.:43:41.

Liverpool to win the league. The final word from Kevin Kilbane, thank

:43:42.:43:46.

you, and Charlie Adam and John Cross. Middlesbrough against Chelsea

:43:47.:43:52.

on five live at 4pm and Kevin will be back tonight with Mark Chapman,

:43:53.:43:57.

Leeds against Newcastle next on Five Live, whatever you are doing today,

:43:58.:44:00.

have a good one. See you later. That could be a pile of workers

:44:01.:44:13.

on't scrapheap. It's not just the end

:44:14.:44:20.

of an industry - Everybody's absolutely

:44:21.:44:23.

devastated by it.

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