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Welcome to MOTD2 Extra on BBC Two, Radio 5 Live

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Joining me today, Robbie Savage, Martin Keown and journalist

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Jason Burt, who's the Telegraph's chief football correspondent.

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Use the hashtag #bbcfootball on social media, or text 85058

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Over the next 45 minutes, we will discuss Marcus Rashford leaving it

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late as Manchester United win at Hull, and we will also move onto

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Chelsea making it three wins out of three as they put the past Burnley.

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Arsenal breeze past Watford, with new signings on the way.

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And we'll look ahead to Manchester's City match

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The Sunday Mirror, "Rash Bang Wallop" and also "Axe Factor".

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That focuses on who Manchester City will leave out of their Champions

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League squad. The Sunday Times is also focusing on City, saying Joe

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Hart is pondering a move to Italy. The Mail On Sunday is looking at the

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England squad announcement. Wayne Rooney will keep the captaincy, but

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John Terry will not be back for his country. And there is this byline.

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This is in the sun. We will start with Marcus Rashford. You will here

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from Mourinho in a minute, but first the man himself with Martin Fisher.

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You have not played many games this season, but I guess you have been

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itching to get on. It is frustrating, but part of the

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process. I am in training all day. Every day. Being around the other

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players has helped my game overall. I am pleased. I have got to keep

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going. There are chances for him, chances waiting for him. When the

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team was chasing a goal against Leicester, in the Charity Shield,

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and tonight, he made a difference for us. He gives new problems for

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the opposition, to play together with Ibrahimovic, to Michael

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completely different players, and in cooperation together, it is a

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problem for the opposition. He made a difference yesterday. We should

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not be surprised? He is such a fantastic player. I am surprised he

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has not had more of a chance, he is up against Juan Mata, Anthony

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Martial. His pace is frightening. When he came on against Iceland at

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the Euros, his pace was frightening. I want to see more of

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him. He had an impact as a substitute yesterday. The point is

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there are options. In this day and age, in the squad game, you do not

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have to start. He could be one of the best English players for some

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years. He is an outstanding talent. You can see that Mourinho does not

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want to use young players. He will have to use this player. He makes a

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difference every time he comes on. He wants to make things happen.

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There is no time to lose for this fellow. Every time they comes on, he

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makes an impact. He is such a young player, such a baby. Mourinho has to

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nurture him on the right way, he is a great talent. Yesterday evening,

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when you watch this game, all his good stuff was not the goal. The

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credit card to go to Wayne Rooney for setting up the goal. It was

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everything else that Rashford bid, and the impact they give United.

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Yes, but Rashford scored. Yes, of course. That is what you want the

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striker to do, to tap it in. That was important and he makes a

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difference. I have been impressed by his ability and his temperament, he

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is a fearless player. One of the few English players who come out of the

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Euros with an enhanced reputation. He did not have a lot of

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competition. He was the only player on the move. Ibrahimovic was in the

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box and stationery. For someone so young, I do not think this is

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happening by accident. The goals against Arsenal, when he started in

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those late game, you turn things around for van Gaal. People around

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the England setup, when he came into the squad, he impressed them

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straightaway. It was not when he scored in the game against Australia

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Mike at Sunderland. We will pick him for the Euros. He had been so

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impressive in training. We need to discuss why he has been discarded.

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Go on to that. I think it is a big mistake. He did not have to make

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that premature announcement on Monday, that they were going to send

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him back to the under 20 ones. I do not see that as a punishment or

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demotion, but I think he should be in the England squad. What has he

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done to take him out of the England squad? He has not played would-be

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Sam Allardyce's adamant. We will discuss Chris Smalling, whether he

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should be in the England squad. He has not played fewer minutes than

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Chris Smalling. He is a great talent, he has done nothing wrong.

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The under 21s is not demotion, but it is not necessary. He is only 18

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years of age. We have seen Sam Allardyce with Gareth Southgate.

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There may be continuity, give him a game in the under 21s. If Sam knows

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he is not going to blame, he wants to pass him down to the under 21s.

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If I was England manager, I would want to have a look at him and my

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first squad and then maybe after sent into the under 21s. They could

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look at him, have in the squad, have him around the environment, and then

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make up their mind what they wanted to do. If he is not going to play

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for the senior squad, sent into the under 21s, but with the first squad,

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if I was the manager, I would want to look at him. England should sell

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through. They should win the group. They have got Scotland and teams

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that should be beaten. I have seen Harry Kane at the start of the

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season. He looked sluggish. He is not scoring. At this minute in time,

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I would rather see Rashford with his pace and power start for England.

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Until yesterday, you had not seen Rashford. No, but we have no. In the

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next game against Love IT, who better to bring on? There is that

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aspect to look at. There is that juggling act, trying to nurture him

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and giving him time on the pitch. If you're good enough, you should be in

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the England squad. An interesting comment by Slaven Bilic, when he was

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the Croatia coach, he had players who were not starting for their club

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sides, but he quite like the fact that some of them were not, because

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they were used to coming on as a substitute and making a difference.

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One player was at Bayern Munich. Rashford is in that rhythm. He has

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come on again and made the difference. That is another arguing

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for him to be in the squad. Over the next two years, when Mourinho is

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there, how many games will he play, this bike? He has competition for

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places. That could be his regular roll. When you talk about playing

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games, are you talking about starting games are whether he gets

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on from the bench to make an impact? Are you talking about the quality of

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games? If he plays in every Europa League game, for example? That would

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be nice, but you want him in the first team. Sam Allardyce once in

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the Manchester United team. If he is not in there and he is an impact

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player, maybe that will do for now. He's a big talent. Can he be

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involved in both squads? Qualification for the World Cup is

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paramount. Sam Allardyce is a results manager. I am surprised he

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has not involved in. Onto the England squad in general. Jason, you

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spoke to him last week at the briefing. Is his real philosophy

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that you have to be playing regularly for your club to get into

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the England club, or will there be exceptions? I think you will take

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the same policy as previous England managers. You have to play for a big

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club to get into the England squad? Not quite. There is so much

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competition in top teams that you cannot be hard and fast and say, to

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play for England, you need to start for your club. That will not be

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possible. You start going to a small pool of players. Every manager wants

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some room to manoeuvre around that. Chris Smalling has not played for

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Manchester United much but I got the impression he would be in

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the squad. Rashford looks like he will drop out because of his age. I

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do not think he will make a hard and fast rule. You create a problem for

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yourself. Hole fans will be saying that the most impressive player

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yesterday on the field was Curtis Davies. Fans have been messaging me

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sing, it was not just yesterday, his started the season has been

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fantastic. We'll Sam Allardyce look at players who have had good starts

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to the season? He should. You look at Curtis Davies and Michael Keane

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Burnley. There are reports in the paper today that John Terry was like

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that. He will not go back. I do not get that one, personally. He is 35,

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he has been fantastic as captain for Chelsea. But in two years, I cannot

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get that into my head, John Terry will be much older. That came up

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last week in the briefing. Sam Allardyce was asked, would you

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consider John Terry? You tried to be diplomatic but he left the door

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open, saying, I might have to call on him if I need him. It has been

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for years since John Terry played for England. He needs to concentrate

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on Chelsea. I think he understands that ship has sailed. It possibly

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sends out the wrong message, the possibility of bringing him back.

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Everyone talks about the lack of central defenders. There are not as

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many as there were when Martin was playing, but there are enough. If

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there is a shortage, as a former centre-half yourself, should Sam

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Allardyce Billy King, rather than at this or that central defender, a

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central defensive partnership, two players who could work together to

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be the rock of that England team for the next five or six years? 100%. It

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should be John Stones and one other. Yes, he is developing in the way

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that we want. There are lots of suggestions that he does not want to

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play football, Sam Allardyce. I am not sure about that. International

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football, he will have to go up one level himself. The development of

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John Stones under Guardiola will be very important. He has got to get

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the balance right. Finding a partner for him will be key. Will it be

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Cahill, Jagielka? Who will it be? Chris Smalling? I think Chris

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Smalling probably makes a better partner. He has come out of the

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Manchester United team because of suspension. If everyone had started

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together, the Euro was almost got in the way because he came back late.

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He is not out of the picture. He might break into the Manchester

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United team in time. Michael Keane is a similar age to John Stones. If

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they work together, and they are regularly used as a partnership,

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that could work? They're considering Jagielka as well. Sam Allardyce

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might be thinking there is an Everton line, Jagielka and John

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Stones were together. He is a senior player who is a good communicator in

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terms of helping a young player. When he played with England before

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with John Stones, they did well. If he picks John Stones, he is making a

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statement, to play more football. To make that they've to international

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management. I think he will pay John Stones. Today he was talking about

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cutting out the mistakes, but when he spoke to us about John Stones, he

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was very effusive, how he should be the future for England as a

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defender. Who the long-term partner will be is a big issue. I am not

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sure about Chris Smalling. Daley Blind has gone into the side and has

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done well. No matter what Mourinho says, they have been looking for

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another centre-half. They have been looking at Jose Fonte at

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Southampton. Mourinho is looking for another partner for a late rally.

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Only 30% of the players who have played in the Premier League or

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English. You cannot be black and white, if you're not playing for

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your club, you cannot play for England. He cannot say that. Was he

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right to investigate the possibility of Steven N'Zonzi playing for

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England? Here's a player he believes in. If he has worked with him

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closely, why not? Shiggy castanet further afield, and look people who

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would qualify through residency? It happens in other sports, it is not

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unusual. We have such a small pool of players, he has to cast the net

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wider. In midfield, he has options. Jack Wilshere, Henderson, Dele Alli.

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Midfielders were they are strong. It tells us the type of midfield player

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he is looking for. In that case, they came to the FA, it was not Sam

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Allardyce going to N'Zonzi and saying, argue eligible? They went to

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the FA and asked about it. Do you have a problem with the? No, it is

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within the rules. Some people will have a problem. A few years ago,

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Jack Wilshere had at briefing and he spoke about Adnan Januzaj. He said,

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he should be English. With the England national football team, it

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becomes more heated, who is eligible and who should play. I do not have a

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problem with it. I remember singing the Welsh

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national anthem with Vinnie Jones. I don't see a problem! What a great

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Welsh midfield! I think we should say it is the start of a new

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beginning. There should be a positivity and a freshness about a

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new manager coming in. If you're a player and you haven't played

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recently for England, the door is opened again. It doesn't matter if

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you are John Terry or whoever, they should stick to those players and

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reward them. We've seen the Welsh manager do that, people who haven't

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played at the highest level or in the championship made great players.

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This viewer says perhaps they should pick the players. Ian says Rashford

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should be in that time. Ryan, I think he'll pick Cahill alongside

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Stones. Cahill has the experience. Text us on 85058 text us on 85058.

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If you pick Eric Dier or Harry Kane, you are making a big statement about

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those two players. He's not worked with either of those two yet. There

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is no reason for him not to pick Wayne Rooney. He didn't have the

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greatest of the euros but he isn't along. I think for now he'll carry

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on with Rooney. Does he need to go this person, Martin, is going to be

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my England captain? Or can he just pick a squad, pick a team, and give

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the captain's armband to someone? I think he's got to make every

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decision based on what he feels is best for England, and Wayne Rooney,

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I don't see too much wrong with Wayne Rooney yesterday, did you?

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When he got to the by-line and brought that ball back. He is good

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to go for the next two years. I have no problem with that. So you would

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go, Wayne Rooney, you are my captain? It is such a young group, I

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would go with Wayne Rooney. Too much emphasis I believe that the England

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national team is based on the England captain. Look at Wales,

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Aaron Ramsay was captain. He made Ashley Williams captain. Not many

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people knew that unless you were Welsh, but there is not too much

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fuss. Too much emphasis on the England captain, it is nonsense. But

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it turned out the be a good decision, so it is important.

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Outside of Wales though, not many people would know that that

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happened. If he chooses Wayne Rooney as a captain, I don't think that's

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necessarily a ringing endorsement of Rooney for the next couple of years.

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Going forward, what is his role? We talked to Allardyce about that as

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well. He gave the signs that the best role is that which he is

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playing now with Manchester United. By the end of the season, will he be

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leading the Manchester United team? If Rooney stays in that team he

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plays for England. The Manchester United team? Yes. I agree. And

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that's brilliant for Sam Allardyce. Jose Mourinho will make sure that

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Rooney will be at it. Two Games this afternoon you can see on Match of

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the Day 2 later. The first game at the Hawthorns West Brom against

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Middlesbrough. Defeat here by Everton, the League Cup upset at

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Northampton, and a fair amount of dissatisfaction among supporters.

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Three changes from that Everton game. Sam Field, an 18-year-old into

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midfield for the Baggies. Brendan Galloway, on loan from Everton, he

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is fit and starts for West Bromwich Albion. Those developing out,

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Gardener and interestingly Saido Berahino. Berahino is on the bench.

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Also on the bench is the 16-year-old by the name of cane Wilson, who if

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he comes on will be the first Premier League player ever to appear

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in a Premier League having been born in the 21st century. Middlesbrough

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already with four points on the board make one change from their

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league win over Sunderland last Sunday. Sunday. Friend is out with

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an injury. Daniel Ayala is in for him. There could be a bit of a

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defensive reshuffle. And cue lots of people feeling old, here and in the

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studio. Arnold Schwarzenegger is alongside Ian this afternoon.

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Schwartzer is alongside Ian this afternoon. There seems to be a

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feel-good factor in the team. Yes, they started extremely well. I think

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Alvaro Negredo has fitted in well. Scored on his home debut, and I

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think they've gone to their game against Sunderland with an enormous

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amount of confidence and rightly won their game. To start the first game

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of the season with four points on the board, they've got be pleased

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with that. A mix of home-grown players, British players and players

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like Negredo that have been brought in. Yes, that's important for a team

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like Middlesbrough so the community can relate to their team. Steve

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Gibson the chairman has always had a huge emphasis on bringing in players

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from the local area. And Gibson for example, who is the club captain,

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has been exceptional this season already. And Stuart Danning has been

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a huge boost for them over the last 18 months. They have had those

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experienced players in Negredo and Ayala obviously. They are looking

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solid at the moment. Mark, thank you. That game is this afternoon

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also on 5Live. Are you surprised at how flat everything feels around

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West Brom, given Tony Pulis, I was going to say not a rabble rouser,

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but he places great store on personality and momentum. I think he

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is frustrated, again, because of the lack of transfer activity around the

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club. There's been a take-over which I think is still waiting to go

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through. I think that's caused a hiatus there. He talked recently

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about needing five or six players. I think that's an indication that he

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feels not only that the team needs strengthening but needs a shake-up

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as well. But at the same time they comfortably avoided relegation last

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season. Nobody is tipping them to go down this season. They may well sell

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Berahino. It could be one of the busiest clubs towards the end of the

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transfer window. I think Pulis will try and change things around a bit.

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There hasn't been a lot of chatter around them, because people are

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assuming there won't be any trouble because of him. The 4 o'clock game,

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Manchester City against West Ham. The Sunday Times sports section this

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morning have the big story on Joe Hart pondering an Italy escape

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route. Torino is the club mentioned. It is in a few other papers as well,

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the Sunday People. And the assistant manager at Torino was part of

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Mancini's club. If Joe Hart phoned you and said, what should I do, what

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would you say? I would be surprised my phone was ringing! It is a

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difficult one this. Joe Hart is the kind of person who loves playing

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football. The situation obviously is clear, that Guardiola, I've seen

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interviews people saying we'll help Joe. It feels to me that it is like

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getting punched in the nose and somebody offering to take you to

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hospital. They've tried to help him. I would want to play, but where is

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there to go? For me people talk about Everton. The team... If I was

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Liverpool, I've said it on 606, I don't think they will go for him,

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but if Joe Hart went to them, where can he go? That's the big thing.

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Torino, I'm not so sure. They've talked this week about finding a

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solution for Joe. Does that become an Everton fit? You are looking at

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maybe it would be a good decision for Man City to allow such a good

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player to go and take points from the other teams, or does he go to

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Sunderland, where he will get lots of action? We want him to be playing

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and I don't think it's healthy if he stays at Manchester City. The way he

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was, listen, it was nice the fans were clapping him in the Champions

:24:44.:24:47.

League, but if it is down to money, I think Manchester City will find a

:24:48.:24:50.

solution for him to leave. People will be wanting to take him.

:24:51.:24:54.

Probably a game of poker going on at the moment. Maybe Everton might be

:24:55.:25:01.

the one. He was poor at Fulham when he played. He was either injured or

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put bad performances in. If Joe becomes available... Thing has been

:25:10.:25:15.

some interest. That's part of the poker. The loan fee and the wages

:25:16.:25:20.

are prohibitive, so they'll have to come down. Clubs are thinking we may

:25:21.:25:26.

be interested but plot at what you're asking for at the moment. Two

:25:27.:25:30.

ways of looking at it. From Hart's point of view, he believes he's been

:25:31.:25:35.

jettisoned brutally and to compound that they've left it so late. In his

:25:36.:25:40.

own head, how am I supposed the find another club at this stage? City

:25:41.:25:45.

will stay we know Guardiola is coming. You didn't adapt to your

:25:46.:25:50.

game, you haven't impressived in training. This is big boy stuff,

:25:51.:25:54.

this is what happens. There was always the possibility they were

:25:55.:25:58.

going to get a new goalkeeper in. Once Guardiola was appointed. You

:25:59.:26:04.

don't appoint a manager like Pep Guardiola and not back him. The

:26:05.:26:09.

reason he's been clear and harsh on Hart is to almost make this happen,

:26:10.:26:20.

to make this change happen. He wants this goalkeeper in Bravo to come in.

:26:21.:26:26.

In. Hart will have been aware of that, but he will be thinking there

:26:27.:26:31.

is no time to think of my future. Do you think Guardiola has watched

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training a lot, as managerses tend to do, and thought he couldn't coach

:26:36.:26:40.

him... But he couldn't coach him, as he came back late. It is a

:26:41.:26:45.

preconceived idea. Some of the players at Bayern Munich he coached

:26:46.:26:54.

and trained portion whether Philip Lamm, and the story of Martinez

:26:55.:27:01.

going from a midfielder to a centre half. Do you think he is thinking of

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Joe Hart and thinking, I can't coach you to do what you want to do? No, I

:27:07.:27:13.

think these managers, looking at Mourinho, Guardiola, they've got a

:27:14.:27:16.

plan. They are decisive in what they do. David Moyes took the job at

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Manchester United and didn't do a great deal to start with. Do you

:27:22.:27:27.

think if this had been on odd year, if there hadn't been a summer

:27:28.:27:30.

tournament, do you think he might have been at Manchester City He

:27:31.:27:34.

would have taken a look at him. He would have looked at the euros and

:27:35.:27:39.

what players are playing that represent my Football Club. What he

:27:40.:27:46.

would have seen from Joe Hart wouldn't have helped the cause.

:27:47.:27:49.

Gareth Bale scoring from 20 yards. It wasn't not a good performance, so

:27:50.:27:53.

straight away he wants to make a change. If that hurts Joe Hart,

:27:54.:27:59.

those decisions have to be made. It is a ruthless business. Everybody on

:28:00.:28:02.

the outside wants to be a professional footballer but it can

:28:03.:28:05.

hurt and you have to take the exit. But they are on such huge wages.

:28:06.:28:12.

This doesn't is about his footballing ability. If it was up to

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you, he wouldn't have sent Lalitta. Caballero's kicking last week was

:28:27.:28:31.

awful. The way he plays the game, it is nonnegotiable. He needs a certain

:28:32.:28:34.

type of goalkeeper that involves himself in the placement there's a

:28:35.:28:39.

big argument about the two types of keeper, one is reactive and one is

:28:40.:28:47.

more passive and he sees Hart as one that doesn't get in the play enough.

:28:48.:28:51.

He says I can change him but I don't have the time to do this. Saying

:28:52.:28:56.

that, Joe Hart I remember in a game last year when he gave the ball to

:28:57.:29:01.

Fernando on the edge of the box. People blamed Joe Hart for giving

:29:02.:29:07.

him the ball, but I thought Fernandinho, or Fernando, I can't

:29:08.:29:11.

remember which one it was. But it comes down to the players. Who wants

:29:12.:29:16.

the ball? In this situation he could have worked with him and made him

:29:17.:29:19.

better. If a manager's going to say to you that there is an area of

:29:20.:29:23.

weakness that you need to work on and I will work with you and will

:29:24.:29:28.

you be in my team until you get better, that's one thing, but to

:29:29.:29:31.

suggest you can't pass the ball and not give you the chance to work on

:29:32.:29:35.

it, that's harsh. I think he is still England's number one. Pete

:29:36.:29:42.

says Joe Hart has to go. Brett says he is bigger than Sunderland, is I'm

:29:43.:29:47.

gutted for him. He's a legend in my eyes. Tony says Pep Guardiola

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spotted... I was there. We saw it in a match in a warm-up game once and

:29:59.:30:04.

he was doing his nut at Hart's distribution.

:30:05.:30:12.

someone to yes, it has been very good. They have not played anybody

:30:13.:30:23.

of real note yet. Let's be honest. As fire as West Ham are concerned,

:30:24.:30:28.

Zaza from Juventus, the latest player. The fee will be triggered if

:30:29.:30:36.

he plays a certain number of Premier League games. He is one of ten they

:30:37.:30:39.

have brought in the summer. It will take time for them to settle. Yes,

:30:40.:30:44.

and they are getting injuries for the players they have been signing,

:30:45.:30:47.

which is a disaster, which is why they have had to go and get this

:30:48.:30:52.

one. I thought they did not play well at Chelsea. They were a

:30:53.:30:55.

standout team last year, knocking on the door of the top four, until

:30:56.:31:01.

April. It has been a tricky start. They are out of Europe, going to a

:31:02.:31:13.

new stadium. That stadium, if you have been there, it is not nearly as

:31:14.:31:15.

intimidating as Upton Park. It will be difficult for them. The injuries

:31:16.:31:18.

have really hurt them. It could be difficult for them. Payet has barely

:31:19.:31:25.

featured so far. Andre Ayew, Cresswell. They do not have the most

:31:26.:31:30.

amazing squad, that they can just absorb those injuries. You have got

:31:31.:31:34.

to give them some leeway because of that. Robbie. The disappointing

:31:35.:31:39.

thing was going out in Europe in midweek. The stadium is set for

:31:40.:31:44.

European football. People cannot go Europa League, but we have seen how

:31:45.:31:47.

civil-mac did, they got Champions League spots. It was a terrible

:31:48.:31:52.

result for West Ham with the new stadium. If it is going to take time

:31:53.:31:58.

to blend the players, and they have had injury problems, fewer games

:31:59.:32:04.

might help. The injuries have killed them. Payet as well, and Cresswell,

:32:05.:32:09.

the left back, he would have been in the England squad under big sanity

:32:10.:32:14.

was fit. Luke Shaw will be in it, and deservedly so. Their away form

:32:15.:32:19.

last year was amazing. They won at the Emirates and Anfield. Manchester

:32:20.:32:25.

City. They will not match that this year. One moron Joe Hart. David says

:32:26.:32:31.

of Joe Hart drops his wages and goes to Everton, he will play every week

:32:32.:32:34.

and keep his England place and he could be part of something exciting.

:32:35.:32:41.

You can send as a Tweet if you want. Let's move on to Chelsea.

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Eden Hazard has scored two goals in three games.

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It took up until April to reach that tally last season.

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Let's hear from him after he opened the scoring in Chelsea's 3-0

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Yes, I tried to do the best. I am always the same player, but I have

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confidence, I give everything, I could score a couple of goals today.

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I scored one. It was enough today but I hope in the next game I will

:33:08.:33:12.

score a couple of goals. They said it on Match Of The Day last night,

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he looks like a different player to last season. Yes, you have to credit

:33:17.:33:21.

his manager. He is really switched on. When he is running at players,

:33:22.:33:26.

he decides what he does, not the defender. He goes past people, that

:33:27.:33:32.

pace. When he is in the mood, he is as good as anyone. When you look

:33:33.:33:39.

down from Messi, Gareth Bale, Eden Hazard is just below that kind of

:33:40.:33:45.

form. He could go into that area. It is up to him. Will he keep the

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consistency? We saw flashes in the Euros, but nothing before that. His

:33:51.:33:58.

manager know, Antonio Conte, he will be in his ear. Have you seen him in

:33:59.:34:03.

the technical area? Here's a manager who has picked it up quickly. He

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will get a reaction from the players, and certainly from Hazard.

:34:09.:34:12.

As they pointed out in Match Of The Day last night, Ngolo Kante, they're

:34:13.:34:23.

talking about the difference that he makes, because it means that Hazard

:34:24.:34:30.

has less defensive duties. You go back to that fantastic Chelsea team,

:34:31.:34:34.

Clyde Makelele, and the team were Lampard was allowed to go forward

:34:35.:34:42.

and get all those goals. The team was set up so that Frank Lampard

:34:43.:34:44.

could go forward and score those goals. Ngolo Kante, water signing he

:34:45.:34:52.

is. To be fair to Hazard, he is fit. He had injury problems last year.

:34:53.:34:58.

Everyone has got to defend. You're talking about defence. Everyone has

:34:59.:35:03.

to defend in this team. You do not carry anybody. The manager is making

:35:04.:35:08.

that clear. He is trying to get him close to goal. Last year he was told

:35:09.:35:13.

to work back so much, if he was not 100% fit, he was struggling to get

:35:14.:35:18.

back up the pitch. His relationship with Mourinho was not the easiest

:35:19.:35:22.

and that affected him. There was a hangover from that in the rest of

:35:23.:35:28.

the campaign. In the Euros, you saw flashes of him. I am not surprised

:35:29.:35:33.

he has started the season this way. You cannot deny that Ngolo Kante

:35:34.:35:37.

gives you greater insurance than most Premier League midfielders. He

:35:38.:35:42.

is unbelievable. What the manager has done, Antonio Conte, he has made

:35:43.:35:47.

changes at vital times. Hazard was one of those. The West Ham game,

:35:48.:35:51.

when they were searching out for a late winner, you are coming off, I

:35:52.:35:56.

want something different. Maybe you're not working quite as hard. It

:35:57.:36:00.

keeps everyone on their toes. He is not on that pedestal he was on

:36:01.:36:07.

before. He crept onto that even with Mourinho. They are becoming much

:36:08.:36:11.

more of a team, Chelsea. I feel they could really challenge. That is

:36:12.:36:15.

right. I think they feel they are short in terms of recruitment.

:36:16.:36:19.

Antonio Conte is frustrated that they have not got a couple of deals

:36:20.:36:25.

over the line. He is looking for a central defender. He has tried to

:36:26.:36:30.

get to the ballet. He has gone to AC Milan for a defender as well as

:36:31.:36:37.

Coulibaly at Napoli. I think this could work in the favour of Chelsea.

:36:38.:36:48.

They work hard. The two Manchester clubs and Chelsea are looking like

:36:49.:36:52.

the most likely trio in terms of challenges. As Martin says, he is a

:36:53.:36:57.

front foot challenger. It did not need to be against Burnley

:36:58.:37:00.

yesterday, but in the first two games, the manager had to make the

:37:01.:37:05.

substitutions to change the game. It will be interesting to see if he

:37:06.:37:08.

gets another centre-half in the transfer window. Will he go with

:37:09.:37:13.

three centre-halves? We have seen it with Juventus and Italy. It would

:37:14.:37:16.

allow John Terry to play for a few more years. It might allow him to

:37:17.:37:23.

get two forwards in the team. He has played three before, but he has not

:37:24.:37:27.

had Ngolo Kante. He is like three players. -- two players. We have

:37:28.:37:34.

Manchester City against West Ham on Radio 5 Live today. That is there a

:37:35.:37:39.

commentary. Plenty of updates. They are also going to cover the Belgian

:37:40.:37:46.

Grand Prix. That is starting now. On BBC Two and the BBC sport website,

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we will continue with MOTD2 Extra. Would you like to defend corners at

:37:51.:37:57.

the moment? It is becoming tricky. I will say something that will

:37:58.:38:02.

surprise you. We did a zonal system. It was easier. For me, I like the

:38:03.:38:09.

grapple, but at set pieces, it was a case that he would back yourself,

:38:10.:38:15.

one, two, three, elevation as much as you can, when the ball and power

:38:16.:38:19.

it away. If you're trying to fight with someone, particularly if they

:38:20.:38:23.

are bigger than you, you have got to foul them to stop them. People

:38:24.:38:28.

turning their back on the ball. I like some of that that is coming in,

:38:29.:38:34.

but consistency is tricky. Marcus has been saying that he made good to

:38:35.:38:37.

a zonal system and take certain people of marking. -- Mark Hughes.

:38:38.:38:47.

They have given two penalties away this season already. Go on. I think

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it is becoming a farce. We will see if it carries on the way it is. Mike

:38:52.:38:58.

Dean has given three penalties now for a holding, Shawcross, Raheem

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Sterling, and yesterday, it was never a penalty. I think we will be

:39:03.:39:06.

seeing that the attacker will throw themselves to the ground even more.

:39:07.:39:12.

You exaggerate the fall, and you think, that referee gave it, why is

:39:13.:39:17.

he giving it, why is he not? When I played for Blackburn, we played

:39:18.:39:21.

Sheffield United. There was a similar rule. We gave two penalties

:39:22.:39:25.

win that game and Brad Friedel saved both of them. After a few weeks, it

:39:26.:39:31.

went away. If they are going to do it, stick to it. Mike Dean has gone

:39:32.:39:38.

to the extreme of giving those penalties. I agree, there is a lack

:39:39.:39:41.

of consistency. But not a lack of consistency from Mike Dean. If Mike

:39:42.:39:46.

Dean is refereeing your game... Different referees have different

:39:47.:39:49.

standards in the way that they do things. If I was a manager and Mike

:39:50.:39:55.

Dean was refereeing my game, I would know what to expect. I am surprised

:39:56.:39:58.

that teams are not more weight of that. The point Robbie makes is

:39:59.:40:03.

right. We have had this for 34 weeks. It will quietly go away. We

:40:04.:40:09.

will not see this throughout the season. They are clever. If I

:40:10.:40:13.

grabbed hold of you in the box, the first thing you will do is put out

:40:14.:40:16.

your arm to grab me. If it happened in the street, you try it. People

:40:17.:40:21.

will react to defend themselves. I probably will not try that in the

:40:22.:40:25.

street. If I fall over and the referee sees some contact, and he

:40:26.:40:30.

sees the reaction and gives a penalty. All of this is going on. It

:40:31.:40:37.

is almost going to have a series of referees are officials that marshal

:40:38.:40:41.

every set piece to see everything that is going on. I am not one that

:40:42.:40:45.

wants video evidence, but do we just do it for corners? When I was at

:40:46.:40:54.

Blackburn, the corner was coming in, Sparky would say, I am the Centre

:40:55.:40:58.

forward, I have got to get away from you. I am going to do that to you.

:40:59.:41:03.

Would you stop it? I am going to get away from you and make the first

:41:04.:41:10.

move. As a defender, if a foreigner does that, I will do it to him. We

:41:11.:41:15.

are going to see it all the time. The penalties I have seen giving, it

:41:16.:41:19.

is ridiculous. The Raheem Sterling one was ridiculous. It is right, by

:41:20.:41:25.

the law. He has turned away from the ball. It is never a penalty.

:41:26.:41:33.

Shawcross, on the first day, we are not arguing that that was not a

:41:34.:41:38.

penalty. The very first one. When the Raheem Sterling one, when the

:41:39.:41:42.

ball was coming from a corner free kick, have you ever not watch the

:41:43.:41:47.

ball? This is what I found when I played international football, said

:41:48.:41:50.

to me against the Italian teams. They were not looking at the ball.

:41:51.:42:01.

It was cheating. Is cheating. If someone is going to physically hold

:42:02.:42:04.

on to you, with his back to play, it is the interpretation of the

:42:05.:42:06.

referee. There is zero tolerance at the moment. They have got to try and

:42:07.:42:10.

work through a match speed. We are watching it in slow motion. It is

:42:11.:42:14.

difficult for the referees to do. They have put themselves out there

:42:15.:42:20.

to do this. It will be a debate every weekend, if it will continue.

:42:21.:42:25.

Guayaquil is a fantastic coach. Why was Raheem Sterling on Shawcross in

:42:26.:42:30.

the first place? That is another argument. -- Guardiola is a

:42:31.:42:38.

fantastic coach. Fans want be stopped. Yes, it can become a great

:42:39.:42:45.

frustration. I have seen terrible incidents of it happening. Jan

:42:46.:42:49.

Vertonghen, yesterday. If you're not looking at the ball, you have no

:42:50.:42:53.

excuse if you get done for that. Even if the contact is minimal. That

:42:54.:43:00.

should stop. Was it a penalty yesterday? I think it was. It is a

:43:01.:43:05.

noncontact sport. You have got to look at the ball. We have all

:43:06.:43:09.

played, some are better levels than others. You were better than me. If

:43:10.:43:14.

the ball is there and you look at it, you have a split second, we'll

:43:15.:43:19.

is my man? Shawcross said that date was surprised that the penalty was

:43:20.:43:26.

given. That was in open play yesterday, Christian Benteke did not

:43:27.:43:31.

even appeal. Get your hands stand. Use your body. Zonal marking. Get

:43:32.:43:37.

back to the zonal marking. If you have someone who likes to Mark, it

:43:38.:43:44.

is old habits. I will end it, mainly because I have got bruises. My

:43:45.:43:50.

jumper has been stretched. It was stretched before you come on. Two

:43:51.:43:55.

game today, West Brom against Middlesbrough, and Manchester City

:43:56.:43:59.

against West Ham, you can see them both on Match Of The Day 2 tonight.

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