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We're in the foothills of the Black Mountains and Brecon Beacons, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
where ancient castles and abbeys dot the landscape... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
..where a once thriving colliery lives on as a working museum, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
and where voices raised in harmony still echo through the valleys. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
We're at the gateway to Wales - Abergavenny. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
There's been a settlement here for 6,000 years. The Romans named it Gobannium. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
But with the Norman Conquest, a castle was built and the town of Abergavenny established. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:08 | |
The Normans never trusted the Welsh, and the Welsh returned the compliment. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
Their mistrust was justified in 1175 when William de Braose, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
the Ogre of Abergavenny, invited local nobles for Christmas dinner at the castle. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
In the bloodiest episode in the castle's history, all the nobles - | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
the best men of Gwent - were hacked to death. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
The resulting vendetta went on for years. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Some of those nobles are buried here in St Mary's church, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
which houses the most impressive collection of medieval tombs | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
of any parish church in Britain. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
The hills surrounding Abergavenny | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
include the volcanic shaped Sugar Loaf and the Holy Mountain, or Skirrid Fawr. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
But amid the beauty, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
more dark history. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
On the slopes of Holy Mountain stands the Skirrid Inn, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
the oldest public house in Wales. It once doubled as a court room, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
and 900 years ago, a sheep rustler named John Crowther breathed his last, dangling from this beam. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:19 | |
His death kicked off a grim tradition. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
Over the years, no less than 180 unfortunates died in this stairwell. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
During the 17th century, when Hanging Judge Jeffreys presided, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
the beam was so fully employed that the dragmarks of the rope can still be seen. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
1952 is a year Abergavenny and Wales will never forget. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
The year of the Helsinki Olympics, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
and the showjumping team of Foxhunter and Harry Llewellyn. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
Harry was a steeple chaser and came second in the 1936 Grand National, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
but 16 years later he won Olympic Gold. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Foxhunter's memorial and Harry's ashes lie at the top of Blorenge Hill. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:06 | |
Today's venue is Abergavenny Leisure Centre. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
The show is about to begin, so please take your seats. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
Just two or three years after my father bought it, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
we had a family friend come round who was a member of the RAF, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
and he used to stand at the front door | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and throw his hat across the hall so it landed on the Japanese man, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
because he disliked him so much. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
On one occasion the brolly came out and fell on the floor. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
The damage is not very much, but a little bit there on the handle, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
and it's very slightly dented on the outside. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
But it is indicative of how much Japanese artefacts were disliked at that time, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
-shortly after World War II. -Right. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
-I wonder what he paid for it? -Well, my father paid £10 - | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
at least, that's what he said. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
He might have paid more, and didn't want to tell my mother. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
Supposing he might have paid £20, it still wasn't a huge amount of money. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
In the post-war era, things Japanese were really not particularly appreciated. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:09 | |
It was made around 1900, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
and at that time, the Japanese metal workers | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
no longer made armour in the quantities that they had previously. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
They still had all the skills to do so, so they turned their hands to producing decorative artefacts, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
using all their metalworking skills. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
This particular piece is by a man called Miyao. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
-It is Miyao? -It's signed on the leg, here. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
It's a mixture of bronze and other coloured metals, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
and it is just wonderful, wonderful quality. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
He produced a number of figures of peasants and characters, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
and here you've got a chap with an ape on his shoulder and a parasol. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
It's just fantastic. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
All the symbols on it are auspicious | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
and represent things, according to the Japanese - | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
the chrysanthemum is the national flower, and so on. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
This is the sort of thing which I would have thought, at auction, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
you could expect it to make somewhere between £4,000 and £6,000. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
So, you know, a jolly useful investment by your father. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
So, are you telling me you got all these from car boot sales? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
Except for that one. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
How amazing! | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
-Why do you like Ian Fleming? -Well, the art work on the books was... | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
When I started collecting the paperbacks I just found the artwork interesting, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
and then after that, I started to look at the writing of Ian Fleming. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
When I bought this book here, about... I think that was about three years ago. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
When I was reading it I found that this guy here, James Bond... | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
I'm not sure whether that was the inspiration for the James Bond character, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
-and that is what I wanted to know. -That's what you want to know. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
-Well, James Bond was an American ornithologist. -Right. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
He wrote a field guide to the birds of the West Indies. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Ian Fleming liked to go to the West Indies, so there was a link, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
-and he'd read James Bond's book. -Right. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
In a way what he did was, he just grabbed his name and he used it. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
After that, they got to know each other on a personal basis, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
and so this is a collector's item in its own right, because of the connection. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
-I didn't, I didn't realise that. -So, it's very amusing. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
The unusual thing about the whole collection is that most of them are in just such beautiful condition. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
Picking up at car boot sales, they tend to put them in cardboard boxes on damp ground, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
and the damp comes through like... There's one or two. That one there. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
-Diamonds Are Forever? -The edge went because it was in a damp box. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
-Yes, you can see there's a bit of damage, and that makes a crucial amount of difference. -OK. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
This WOULD have been worth a few hundred, and it's probably reduced it to more like two or three. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
-OK. -With the damage on the edges, here. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Dr No is another very good one, which is now worth £300 or £400. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:03 | |
Altogether, on this table, excluding Casino Royale, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
we've probably got in excess of £2,000 worth. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-My God. -Do you know, this is the first book he ever wrote? -Yes, yes. -Yes. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:17 | |
Um, and it's... From a collector's point of view, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Casino Royale has a tremendous premium. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
-This is the book that, in a way, launched his career. -Right. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
And it was published in, er, 1953. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
If I said it was worth a few hundred pounds, would you be surprised? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
-Don't know. -What about if I said it was worth a few thousand pounds? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
Thousands? | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
-Yes. -I would be a bit shocked. -You would be a little bit shocked? -Yeah, I would, yeah. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
And if I said to you that recently it's been fetching between £5,000 and £7,000 at auction? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:55 | |
-Never. -And you say you bought it at a boot sale. -Yeah. -Wow! | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
-Do you remember how much you paid for it? -Yeah. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
Most of the books cost between 50p and £1. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Well, there's a return for you. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
I inherited it from my old grandfather. "When I'm gone," | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
-he said, "this will be for you. It'll be yours". -Right. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
It's always been appealing. I think it's got a sentimental sort of effect. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
It is, and people, of course... | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Here we have a mother hen, and of course she's got... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
-And the little ducklings. -Ducklings, yes. -I think that is the appeal. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
-All being looked at and looked after. -Yes, yes. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
She's got rather a cross look on her face, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
I don't know if she's happy with her new charges and her brood, but... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
Yes, the tea time... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
The old cabbage leaf appealed to me because it's so natural, you know. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
-The artist is Robert Morley. -Yes. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
And you can see the date of the picture there in the far corner. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
This was painted when he was in his early 30s. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
It could do with a jolly good clean! Where have you been keeping it? A smoky room, or over a fireplace? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:08 | |
No, we haven't touched it. No. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
My wife would like to have it repaired and renovated and cleaned. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
Yes. Well, other than the varnish, there's a jolly good rip in it, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
which has been repaired and as if something had happened. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
-That was always there. -It was always there. -Yes. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
-A picture like this, in its original frame, should actually have an original label on the back. -Oh, yes? | 0:09:26 | 0:09:32 | |
It is there, and of course it's got the title, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
-which, of course, is "The Foster Mother". -Yes. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
And it's also got the price which he asked for the painting, which was 31 pounds and 10 shillings. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
-I didn't know that. -Quite a lot of money at the time. -I suppose so. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
Now, the painting would clean well, but with such damage on it, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
with this tear, it would have to be relined as well. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
-Oh, I see. -And that would obviously incur considerable costs. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
But we must assess the value of the painting at this particular moment, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
and I would have thought that something like £2,000 or £3,000. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
If it was well restored, probably £3,000 to £4,000 or £5,000 for insurance would be the right figure. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:18 | |
Yes, I see, yes. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
-Where did this come from? -We're not sure, really. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
My great uncle was in the Navy, so he travelled the world. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
-Did he get to Ireland, do you know? -Not that I know of. -No. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
Well, this is actually a tea caddy, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
but this is the box to hold the tea caddy, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
as obviously you'll appreciate, and this is Irish. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
I've checked, and this apparently is manchineel wood, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
which I can claim no knowledge of whatsoever, but apparently it's extremely rare. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
-Oh. -I love that when you look at it, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
it's supposed to be octagonal, but in fact it's slightly off shape. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
Which I think gives it great character. When you hold it, you can sort of feel that. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
Let's have a look at the caddy itself. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
Now, it's actually marked | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
on the body, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
there, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
and again on the lid, there. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
What's a bit frustrating here | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
is that there's no maker's mark. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
This is what the Irish often did. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
If they put a date letter on, they left off the maker's mark, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
and if they put a maker's mark on, they left off the date letter. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
The date... Actually, you've got the date, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Dublin date letter there, the "E" of 1825. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
So it's George IV. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
The box is absolutely spot on | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
for that sort of date as well, in Ireland. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
So, to have those two coming down together like that is really quite something. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
Had you thought in terms of value? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
I took it to the Roadshow in Merthyr. That was 13 years ago. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
-Right. -And it was valued then, I think at around £200. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
-Two hundred pounds? -Mm. -Yes, I think we need to rethink that. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
Irish silver has become highly sought after in the intervening period. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:26 | |
That box alone is worth in excess of £500 without the caddy. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:34 | |
The caddy on its own, I would be thinking in terms of... | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
-A couple of thousand pounds. -You're kidding me. -No. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
And put the two together, original to each other, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
it's got to be in excess of £3,000. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
-You've made me very happy. -In fact, I would be insuring it for nearer five. -Good Lord. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
-So, that's not bad news. -I'm completely gobsmacked. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
If this refers to what I think it does, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
it's one of the most politically incorrect clocks I've ever seen. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
-Sorry. -Can you enlighten me? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Um, it was given to my parents in the '50s. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
It was made in 1939, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
to commemorate the agreement between Neville Chamberlain and Hitler, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
"Peace in our time". He came back waving a piece of paper. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
In that week they made two of these, and this is one of them. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
I've never seen one, and if there's only two... | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
The other one is supposed to be in a museum in Birmingham. We haven't been able to locate it. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
-It's possibly buried in the vaults. -Yes. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
-Goodness me. Value... I haven't got a clue. -How nice. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
-I'll give a number, I think it's fascinating, I think it'll be £500. -All right. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
You know the secret. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
Hey presto, the settee table. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
-Leatherette seats. Are they comfortable? -Well, fairly comfortable, yes. -Let's try. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
Well, yes, fairly comfortable. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
I think there's someone in here, trapped. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
What does a respectable lady like you do with six decanters? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
I look at them occasionally, and just wish that they were all full. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
-Well, could you not fill them up? That's what they're made for. -Yes. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
These were made in Spain, at a place called La Granja, in about 1790. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
Oh, really? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
And it would appear that the box was made for them in England. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
-I see. -Still in the Georgian era. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
-Yes. -So they're almost contemporary. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
If you really made it look nice, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
-I think it would be worth between £2,000 and £3,000. -Good heavens! | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
-Do you know what date the table is? -No idea. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
-I have been... Somebody told me it was William IV. -Absolutely. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
-Is that right? -Bang on, absolutely. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
Intrinsically relatively plain furniture like this mahogany, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
but it was the time they started reviving the Rococo period, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
so this type of carving would be very popular. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
So, did they make the table with this carving, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
or was the carving added later as a bit of decoration? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
Let's see if there are any clues on the back at all. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
The top is a different colour, this whole surface, to the sides. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
So the top has been repolished, and the suggestion would be that it was repolished when it was carved, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:42 | |
if the edge was recarved. So there's no original patination of dirty fingermarks going under the table. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:48 | |
Had there have been, it might have suggested that perhaps, amazingly, this Rococo decoration was original. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:54 | |
-Right. -It certainly did happen, but not on a plain piece. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
-So, the Victorians got at it? -The Victorians, yes, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
-but only... It's only 1830 anyway. -Right. -Have you had it a long time? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
-Is it a family piece? -It was bought by my parents in 1945. I've no idea what they paid for it. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
But look at the size of it! I mean, how many people can you seat at that? | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
Well, you can get... | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
When it was originally bought, there were 18 chairs around it which my mother didn't buy, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
but that's comfortable. 20 is fine, and 24 you can squeeze in. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
-At a pinch, at Christmas. -Yes, and... We use it fully out a lot. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
-But if there are just two of you, you need a railway, do you? -Well, no. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
You just put these bits together, and you've got a nice square table. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
Right. This is how you see it in a catalogue or a saleroom, isn't it? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
It's rather nice, complete with dust and everything. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Nice mahogany under frame using oak as well, so you've got mahogany here, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
and that's the bottom of the leaf, mahogany splat there, oak there, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
and pine there. They're economising, not using the solid mahogany. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
-But it has been repolished. -Yes. -And we have to say that it's been recarved on the edge. -Yes. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
Been glorified, Victorianafied. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Have you got it insured at all? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-Yes, it's insured for ten thousand. -£10,000... | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
So, could you replace...? I'm trying to sort of think of a logic here. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
Could you replace it for £10,000? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
I think you've got to put a bit more on that. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
I think I'd say £15,000. Insurance DOES go out of date. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:32 | |
Insurance goes up, and can go down. You've got to keep it quite high, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
because to go out and buy a 22 or 24-seater dining table, £15,000. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:42 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Geoffrey, people bring you things to see. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
Suppose they've dug them up? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
That's the most exciting way to find things, possibly. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
Here's a medieval ring set with a cornelian intaglio | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
-with an inscription round it. It's actually 14th century. -Wow! | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
It was found in 1760. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
Its discovery was reported to the Society of Antiquaries that year. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
In those days the finding of these objects was rather random - | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
you had to wait for the earth to turn them up, to see them on the surface | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
and see a gleam of gold. Today, the issue is much more complex, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
because people use metal detectors, and objects of this nature - | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
which is a ring brooch of a similar date, set with sapphires - | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
-are turning up in quite large quantities. -So, what must you do if you find something like this? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
The thing to do is to be careful. You've suddenly stumbled into an immensely complex environment. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:41 | |
and the first thing to do is take your discovery either to a local museum, or indeed to the Coroner, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
who will decide whether there are any rights to this jewel beyond your own. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:52 | |
And if they have established those rights, who gets what and when? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Well, if the object is of sufficient importance, certainly you will get some financial reward for it. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:01 | |
More often than not, the object will be returned to you, because it may not be of national significance, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:08 | |
but if it is, a museum will get it. It used to be called "treasure trove". | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
It is something to beware of, for all people using metal detectors today. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
Join a society where there is some advice given to you there. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
We can't go into great depth here, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
but there is something that you can discover on the website. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
It's the site of DCMS, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
which is the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
and it's a very odd title for it, but you can tap in on your computer, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
for the pitfalls in finding things. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
I wish I could keep this. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
So, why does a man of your age have a doll's house? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
I'd just seen it, and fell in love with it. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
Well, I just think it's the most terrific doll's house. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
It's on a scale and proportion that you don't generally see, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
and I think it really epitomises the time in which it was made. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
If you look at this door, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
it's got a very Art Deco step to it, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
and it actually looks like quite a surburban door, but very stylised for that 1920s period. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:13 | |
Then, as well, the fact that it's got this pebbledash effect | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
that was typical again of the 1920s period, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
with these very stylish Deco-looking porthole windows. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
It's an incongruous mix, really, of designs, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
when you then look at the complete scale of it. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
-Wow, it's certainly in what an estate agent would call "original condition", isn't it? -Yes. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
It doesn't look as if anything's happened to it, in fact, since it must have first been made. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:43 | |
-Can you explain what this is? -It's a lift to all the floors. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
It originally worked by battery - there's electrics at the back. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
-The lift is in the bottom and I think you pull the string there. -Oh, I see. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:57 | |
Gosh, and what looks like an incredibly sort of Art Nouveau lift is in this shaft in the middle. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:03 | |
-Yeah. -Gosh, that's amazing. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
-And there's also rooms in the attic. -Let's have a look at those. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
-Gosh, and all this panelling! Someone's gone to considerable trouble with it. -Yeah. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
It's strange, because it looks as though it's a pretty English style, thinking back to the front door, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:24 | |
but when you see this rather gabled, um, hipped roof, it looks slightly more Dutch. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:30 | |
-Yeah. -In fact, if we look at the spindle doors here, that obviously enclose the lift... | 0:21:30 | 0:21:37 | |
-Right. -They're quite Continental. I can just imagine those - or gates like that - | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
to a lift in a hotel, or something. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
-This is probably my favourite room, in fact - the nursery. -Yeah. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
We know it's a nursery because it's got this frieze of nursery rhyme characters, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
all round the edge. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
In fact, there was an illustrator of children's nursery rhymes | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
called Henrietta Willebeek Le Mair. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
She was working from 1910 to the late 1920s, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
and this is very, very typical of her work. And as she was Dutch, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
-it just makes me wonder even more if this is. -Do you think it's Dutch? | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
It could be, looking at the style, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
-and I think the combination of that and these Dutch illustrator's pictures, yes. -Right. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
When you bought it, what were you told about it? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Originally, they sold all the fittings off, and it's been left in a garage for 10 or 20 years. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
That's the greatest tragedy, really. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
-Yeah. -That a house on this scale, untouched and in original condition, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
-has actually not got any of the original fittings. -Yeah. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
-What did you pay for it? -£150. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
£150. I think that if you were to offer it for sale, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
I can see it fetching up to the £1,000 mark. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
That's great. Thanks a lot. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
I'm sorry - I don't know anything about it. I bought it in an auction in Colwyn Bay six weeks ago. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:07 | |
-Right, so it's fresh? -It's fresh. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
-So I'm the first mug in, in a sense. -You're the first to see it. -OK. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
Well, the basic concept here is what we call a sun and moon watch. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
They go back into the 17th century, even possibly earlier than that. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
The idea is that you use a conventional hand for the minutes, here, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
and then you have a turning disc which has the sun and the moon, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
so that the hand goes round once an hour. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
The sun comes up at six o'clock in the morning and goes down at six o'clock in the evening, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:42 | |
and the moon comes up at six o'clock in the evening and goes down at six o'clock in the morning, backwards. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
-Is that right? -I've no idea. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
I'm going to pull it apart, if you don't mind. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
I promise I'll be able to put it back together again. Not advisable. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
I should put a sign up, shouldn't I? "Dangerous. Don't try this at home". | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
Right. Well, that is the first point here, if we look. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
If we start with 6 dots, 7 dots, 8 dots, 9, 10, 11, 12. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:13 | |
-Yes. -1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
-So it must run backwards. -Yes, yes. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
Anyway, as I said, these watches go back into the 17th century, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
and the plate we're looking at here, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
this plate which is inlaid in silver for the moon, gold for the sun, and blued - | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
they inlaid some steel, and the steel is polished and blued. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
The blueing has died away - it's looking browny-grey, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
but that plate I will bet is circa 1700, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
whereas this watch is obviously considerably later. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
-Now, I've got a maker's name on it. -Owain. -Owain. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Gwilim Ab Owain... | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
LLan... | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
-Llangefni. -Llangefni, OK. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
And it says "Number 1, 1815". | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
If you've looked at the engraving it's really very crude, isn't it? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
-Yes. -It's not good quality compared to the watches of this period. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
Usually the balance cocks and the engraving were done by amateurs, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
-they were done by out-workers. -Yes. -Sometimes working people, farmers and wives who did it in the evening, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:22 | |
but they were very skilled and they worked to very accurate patterns, particular designs. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:28 | |
This is really somewhat wayward, all over the place. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
-I would say that it was therefore done by the man himself. -Right. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
I've had a look and I can't find anything on him, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
so I think he is a completely local watchmaker. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
As I say, hand-done engraving. They've used a piece of glass | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
in the end of the balance cock, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
so you can see through to the balance, but it gets worse! Or better, as you might say. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
It's usual for these watches to have a fusee... | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
..and a barrel and a chain. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Here, we've got two barrels, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
with a fusee chain running off one barrel onto the other barrel, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
and then off that barrel, being wound onto the fusee. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
So, effectively, you are doubling the power, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
-cos you've got two main springs pulling on one thing. -Right. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
My guess is that it would probably go for more than the usual 30 hours. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
-Yes. -I would say... Again, you just can't even see it here, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
but inside there is an extra wheel in the train, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
so it probably goes for 8 days. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
So, what we've got is a completely amateur watch, dated 1815, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
using a piece that he probably found from a much earlier watch, 1700, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
and he's created a complete watch around it. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
8-day going and going in reverse, and the reason it goes in reverse | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
is that every time you add an extra wheel in a train of wheels, it goes the other way. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:04 | |
-Right. -He's added an extra wheel to make it go 8 days rather than one, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
or whatever the duration is, and ended up with it going backwards. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
He hasn't been put off at all - he's simply engraved the dial backwards. It must have been made for himself. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:19 | |
1815 is also the date on the case - there's a hallmark. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
It's not just put together out of bits he's found - a lot of work's gone into it. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
-Extraordinary. You think you've seen everything, then this turns up. -Yes. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
I'm going to ask you an embarrassing question now - what did you pay? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
I paid £600 approximately, altogether. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
Oh, I think that's all right. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
I mean country sales are not always bargains by any means. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
-Sure. -I would have said, an 8-day watch... | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
I would say that's worth £1,000 of anybody's money. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
It's quite an extraordinary object. Are you any the wiser? | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
Well, it's unusual, I mean, I thought it was unusual when I saw it. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
-Great. Well, I admire your courage. Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
-What is it? -It's a carbide lamp, used underground. -Used underground? | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
-And did you ever use this one? -Yes. -How on earth do you use it, then? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
-Unscrew the top. -Right. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
-Pull the top off, fill it full of carbide. -Would you have a supply of that with you? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 | |
-Yes, yes, keep the carbide in a tin. Water goes in there. -Right. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:34 | |
Turn the tap on then and it'll drip. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
Water dripping onto the carbide, and that forms the gas. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
Light it there... Of course, the reflector's missing off there. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
-And how long would it last? -A couple of hours. -Then you'd fill it up again? | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
-Yes. -There can't be many still left in miners' hands. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
-It belonged to my grandfather. -As well? | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
-Yeah. -Lovely. -He done 50 years in the Miriam Colliery in Ebbw Vale. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
-Fantastic. -Then he survived the explosion in 1926, of course. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
-Commercially, then, it doesn't matter what it's worth. -No, no. Sentimental value. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
I suppose it's probably worth no more than £30 or £40, but... | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
-Worth more than that to me. -Exactly, exactly. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
This parrot's head is carved out of beech and stained with a colour, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
to make it these bright colours, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
and looks as though it's the handle to a very short cane. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
What's in the bottom, here? It's stamped "Vickery". | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
That's a good firm of makers based in London. Oh, my goodness. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
Right, so it's a parasol. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Presumably we put the top in here, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
turn the whole thing upside down... | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
Silk can be quite fragile, but look at that. What a beautiful shape. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
-Dates from probably around the 1920s, and I would value it at £200 to £300. -Thank you. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:59 | |
Now, how did you come by this bit of Sung porcelain? | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Well, I didn't know it was Sung porcelain. It was 20 years ago, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
therefore it must have been South-East Asia, in a flea market, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
either in Ho Chi Minh Ville or Phnom Penh, but I think probably Phnom Penh. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
-Was it called Ho Chi Minh Ville then, already? -Yes. Yes, yes. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
-Or Ho Chi Minh City, really. -Yes, Ho Chi Minh City. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
Well, if we go back a little bit in history, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
the whole of Cambodia was a Chinese province. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:34 | |
Anam, I think the whole thing was called. But this doesn't come from there. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
This is a metropolitan piece. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
It's a class called Ding Yau wares, these wonderful creamy white wares | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
which have a very beautiful porcelain. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
I mean the actual body. This is one of the earliest porcelains you get, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:56 | |
-and it's really beautiful creamy and white, the actual ware. -Yes, yes. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
I'm perplexed by this stuff. I think it would come off, but you haven't tried to remove it. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
-No. -I don't think that's fired in. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
But, I mean, the supreme beauty of the object | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
is this sort of carved and moulded panel on the top, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:17 | |
which, if one looks carefully, actually depicts a flowering peony, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:23 | |
with little sort of struts of slip | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
holding the pattern of the glaze. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
-Yes. -And it's a classic piece - it's 800 years old. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:36 | |
-Wow. -It's about 1200. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
This is one of the earliest... The earliest white porcelains you get. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
-It has got a little problem, not too serious. -Yes. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
Little fritting there, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
and it might annoy the most perfectionist Chinese collector, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
but there you have something that's 800 years old. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
Did you pay a lot for it? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
I very much doubt that we paid more than between 20 and 30 dollars. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
Well, since the opening up of the People's Republic of China, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
more stuff has become available. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
This may seem awfully little for something that's 800 years old - | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
-I think it's worth between £2,000 and £3,000. -Right. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
-I think you're very lucky. -Lucky, yes. I'm not sure about skill or cleverness. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
We inherited it from my husband's uncle about fifteen years ago. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
-Is there another one? -Yes, yes. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
-There is? Ah. -This is the lady. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
Yes. And you have a little boy that goes with that? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
It's supposed to be the Prince of Wales | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
-and the Princess Royal as children. -That's absolutely right. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:54 | |
The little girl that we have here is the eldest child of Queen Victoria. | 0:32:54 | 0:33:00 | |
She was born in 1840, and then her brother, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
the little boy that you have, went on to become King Edward VII. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:11 | |
And she actually married the Kaiser of Germany, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
and went on to become the mother of Kaiser Bill. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
-Yes. -In the First World War. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
So, they're a very interesting historical pair. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
She's so early. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
-This is very early for Staffordshire flatback figures... -Yes, yes. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
-Which is what she is. -Yes. -As you can see she's got a flat back. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
-Yes, yes. -So she would have sat on a chimney piece, as an ornament, she and her brother. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
And the lovely thing about her is that the pottery is so white. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:45 | |
This is a sign that it's a really early piece, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
-and she's got these beautiful clear colours, this wonderful... -Yes. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
Hand-painted turquoisy-green, and this rather bright orange, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
-which you don't really think of as a Victorian colour. -No, no. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
-And the other one's in good condition? -Perfect condition - | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
nothing wrong at all. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
Well, I could see that this pair, in the right auction, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
-could go for as much as £2,000, even £2,500. -Is it really? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:21 | |
-Yes. -Oh, my goodness. -It is. -Goodness, gracious me. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
I'm a jewelaholic really, yes. I never pass a jeweller's. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
I look in every jeweller's that I come across when I'm out shopping. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:34 | |
-Who's gives them to you? -My husband. -That's nice! | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
-That's a rare husband! -Yes, Oh, yes. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
-Look at this. Did he give you that one? -He gave me that one, yes. -My goodness. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
He purchased that about four or five years ago. He gave it me then for Christmas and birthday. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:49 | |
Ah, and what do you know about it? Tell me what you think. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
Well, I only know that I think it might be Art Deco - is it so? | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
It is Art Deco without doubt, yeah. Very geometric. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
-Yes. -Looks for all the world like an Odeon cinema. -Yes, it does. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
We like that in jewellery design, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
because what we're really looking for is art and design boiled down. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
This is, you know, the minutest expression of all kinds of architectural and design shapes, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:17 | |
and there are two rather interesting things about the diamonds. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
One is the fantastic purity of them, they're very white and quite clean. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:26 | |
There are very very few inclusions, which is wonderful, but we can tell that they've been reused. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
Bricks from an older house have been put in here. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
A house that was built about 1860. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
The techniques of cutting diamonds have changed over the years, and these are 19th century diamonds. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:43 | |
Somebody's taken them from another piece of jewellery and remounted them, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
-and built an Art Deco house. It's a brilliant house, isn't it, if we extend the metaphor? -Lovely. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
-Lovely thing. Do you wear it? -I wear it regularly if I'm going out. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
-Marvellous. -Going somewhere special. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
Did he tell you how much he paid for it? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
-Well, he did. -Did he? Come on, are you going to whisper? -£4,500. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:08 | |
Well, I think it's a great bargain, frankly - to get something... | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
you know, with perfect context, with wonderful, wonderful material, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
to give to somebody who loves you, I think that's a fabulous sum. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
I think 50% more for insurance, without any doubt at all. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
Say £6,000, maybe £7,000, for insurance. They're very beautiful diamonds. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
Well, this is a watercolour by an artist I know well. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
In fact, I could say I've known this artist most of my life. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
He was born in Newcastle, as I was, and it's John Atkinson. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
Do you know its title? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
-I don't. -Does it have a title? -No, I don't think it does, no. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
-It looks like "The Morning Ride". -Oh, right. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
-That kind of thing, doesn't it? -Actually, I think it might be Rotten Row in London. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:54 | |
-In London, I wondered, I wondered that. -Possibly. That's the most I know about it. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
Yes. That makes it interesting, because he's a Newcastle artist. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
He worked in Northumberland, County Durham and Yorkshire. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
He painted horses, horse fairs, gypsies... | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
John Atkinson was a lovely artist. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
Worked mainly in watercolour, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
though there's body colour added. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
-You see the white heightening he's used here? -That. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Yes, and what I like about this is particularly the sense of movement. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
-The feeling of those riders. They're moving, aren't they? -Mm. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
It's got a feeling of action about it. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
I also like the dappled light, the sun coming in through the trees. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
It's interesting being in London, because he didn't come to London much, didn't work in London. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
In a sale, this would be £3,000 to £4,000, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
-and you should insure it for £5,000. -Right. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
So, we move on now to something completely different. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
A snow scene. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
A snowy landscape with a rather smartly dressed lady there. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
Now, this is by a French artist. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
-Yeah. -Called Georges Croegaert, and it's signed here. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
I think it's a delightful little landscape. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
It's beautifully observed. It really does have a feeling of snow and cold and winter about it. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
It's a delightful little picture, got a lot of atmosphere. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
Now, Georges Croegaert is a late 19th century French artist | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
who was famous for one thing, and that's for painting Cardinals in red robes. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
Those pictures of Cardinals which usually everybody hates, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
of Cardinals taking snuff and eating and drinking a great deal, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
and disporting themselves in an un-Cardinal-like manner. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
Here, Croegaert is showing us | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
that he can do something different, and paint landscape. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
He's clearly painted a real landscape here. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
Somewhere outside Paris, I would imagine. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
Croegaert lived his whole life in Paris, and I think this one... | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
That's worth more than the Atkinson. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
-I would value that now at £10,000 to £15,000. -Really? | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
Yes, I would. So, two very different but very delightful pictures. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:17 | |
Yes. It's my grandmother's, who died when she was 103. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
She had a lot to say for herself, and she said to my mother, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
"That spoon, my girl, will be handed down to the youngest girl". | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
That's rather nice. The spoon itself is what's known as a trefid spoon. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
-A trefid? -A trefid... See how it's got these three sections at the top? | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
-Oh, tri, yes. -Yeah, so that's where the name comes from. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
-Those date principally from about 1660 through to about 1700. -Really? | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
Yes, OK. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
You get the plain, ordinary ones. This one's rather more special - it's a laceback. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:57 | |
Not only do we have the decoration on the front of the stem, there, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
-but we've got this most wonderful lace-like decoration on the back of the bowl. -Yes. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
The reason the decoration is there | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
is because the French put spoons like that on the table. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
-Oh, yes, now that is interesting. -These were the first spoons that were made to go on the table, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:20 | |
-which is why they called them table spoons. -No, really? | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
Because they were set in the French way, that's why they're decorated and initialled on the back. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:29 | |
Oh, that's wonderful. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
Can I just ask you what the initials mean at the back, there? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
Those... Almost certainly, that's going to be a marriage, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
-so we've got AB at the top and then WN underneath. -Ah. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
-AB at the top would be the husband, and WN I would expect to be the wife. -Oh. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
-And then 1699, that would be when they got married. -Oh, how sweet. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
-Isn't that lovely? -That is lovely. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
-Almost certainly, that's what those will represent. -Yes, yes. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
Now, maker's mark only repeated three times - | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
this is a provincial spoon, and it's by Richard Sweet of Chard. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:10 | |
That makes it quite a rare spoon. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
He's repeated his mark to make it look like a set of hallmarks. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
-Have you ever thought of value on this? -Absolutely not, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
-because my mother used to dish up greens with it. -Used to...? | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
-Dish up the greens. -Isn't that wonderful? -Because she didn't... | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
-It was used, she didn't know the value of it. -And why not? | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
Well, it's survived jolly well, and condition is important here. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
It is in very good condition. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
Oh, how lovely. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
At auction, I would fully expect a spoon like that | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
to sell in excess of £2,000. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
When I've been on this Roadshow, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
and people have been told they've got something really special, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
and they go, "Oh," and I think that is the best news I have had. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:02 | |
I am SO pleased we came, and Ian, you are wonderful. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
Have I got time to tell you about my grandmother? Yes, quickly. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
She died when she was 103, and she wasn't a very nice person. Very Victorian. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
-She used to tell me to walk along with a bustle on my back. -Right. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
She was a little bit of a spartan lady, and very Victorian, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
and I didn't think she was very nice to her children. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
So when she died at 103, I didn't go to the funeral. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
When my mother told me she was dead, I said, "Are you sure? Go up and check". | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
Anyway, funeral. No, I wouldn't go. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
But I did ask about her when it was all over, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
and somebody told me they had to push the button three times before the coffin would go. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
Ah, right - she was obviously reluctant to go. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
-She was one of those, but God bless her. -Absolutely. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
Well, in a town that's nearly 1,000 years old, you would expect interesting items. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:04 | |
We've certainly seen quite a few, but for sheer nostalgia, this is the piece for me - | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
the old settee table. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
I'm sure my Auntie Phoebe had one of these. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
I'll just sit here for a while. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
Until the next time, from Abergavenny - goodbye. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
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