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The Roadshow has arrived at a city, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
which to be fair is just a babe compared with London or Edinburgh. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
It's just 50 years since Cardiff became Wales's capital and only 100 years since it became a city. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:43 | |
Back in 1913 this port was the world's biggest exporter of coal. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:49 | |
Steamships delivered it to the Americas, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Africa, India, the Middle and Far East. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
Nowadays, ironically, the traffic's in the other direction - | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
coal comes into Wales from South America and Australia. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
When the mining industry collapsed, the port had to reinvent itself. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:10 | |
Now it's all go, a place for yachting, new housing, shops and restaurants | 0:01:10 | 0:01:16 | |
and a barrage embankment which provides the bay with a freshwater lake and water front. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:22 | |
Coal may no longer be king here, but the name of the man who reigned over the industry is everywhere. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
Not much of a Welsh ring to those. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
No, it was a Scottish laird who cast his gaze over the mineral-rich lands of South Wales in 1814, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:38 | |
the 2nd Marquis of Bute became known as the "maker of modern Cardiff". | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
As coal production increased, he built a canal and a dock. The Taff railway provided rapid connections | 0:01:43 | 0:01:49 | |
between the coalfields in the Welsh valleys and Bute Dock. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
In 1848, an infant called John Patrick Crichton-Stuart woke up to realise that | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
he was the 3rd Marquis of Bute and the richest baby in Britain. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
This is him, some years later. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
This rich man's hobby was architecture and it led to | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
the extravagant restoration of Cardiff Castle and the nearby Castell Coch. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:17 | |
The 3rd Marquis became a figurehead for Cardiff, for a time he even served as mayor. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
Later on, he sold Cathays Park, a former Bute home, to Cardiff Corporation, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
stipulating that the avenue of trees be retained and that only public buildings be built here. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:33 | |
And on that site now the National Museum and Art Gallery, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
the Law Courts, the University of Wales and the location for our Antiques Roadshow today, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:43 | |
the handsome City Hall. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
I love this little calling card up the top here. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
It says, "Made from sycamore wood cut down by the Right Honourable WE Gladstone | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
"on the Hawarden Estate." Where did you get it from? | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
Well, we went to a boot sale. I've seen it there | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
and I asked how much it was. The gentleman said £50, I said, "A lovely dress screen." | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
I unwrapped it and then I'd seen all these signatures. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
What is it? A country house collection, do you think, of people's signatures? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
Yeah. The owners, instead of getting them to sign visitors books or something like that, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
had got them to sign little pieces of paper or give their signed calling cards | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
and mounted them in this screen. You've got some wonderful ones - | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
there's Thomas Edison here... Right. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
..the American, and down here | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
you've got another lovely little grouping, you've got Hall Caine, the author, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
and Henry James the author as well. You've got all sorts of people. It is quite extraordinary, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:45 | |
All the great and the good, and probably the not-so-good as well. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
We've got another one, a great Cardiff item here. Bute, the Marquis of Bute. Oh, right. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
He was Mayor of Cardiff. Right. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
And obviously did quite a lot for Cardiff. Are you going to do this trick with it? | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
Let's close it up. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
The horror is that we'll open it up and find we've got the same side. This side is even more spectacular. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:13 | |
Wilkie Collins, who wrote The Moonstone and The Woman In White, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
and was credited with the first detective fiction, Lillie Langtry, Edward VII's mistress. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
It's all quite extraordinary and it's wonderful to speculate | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
what sort of parties these people had - the king's mistress. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
I don't see the king having signed this, Edward VII having signed it at all. I mean you've got how many? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
529 signatures. You've counted every one? Yes. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Have you catalogued every one? No. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Written them all down? Not at the moment. You've got everybody here. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
As a screen, I'm sure, a late 19th-century screen, certainly worth the £50 you paid for it. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:55 | |
But I have to say it's the signatures that really interest me, they're fantastic, | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
everybody who you could want, really, from the late 19th century, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
so I value this between £2,000 and £3,000. Really? Nice thing to dress behind, isn't it? Yes. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:12 | |
Thank you for bringing it in. My pleasure, thank you. Lovely. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
Now, do you live in a very Victorian house? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
No, we don't, we live in a 1970s house. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
So how do you accommodate such a Victorian object in your house? | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
We have a large lounge and it sits on a gate-leg table quite happily. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
Technically speaking, these things are called dioramas | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
and the diorama description is of a fixed group of objects that are | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
viewed from a particular aspect, normally through an aperture, which is exactly what this is. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
Yes. But it's a diorama with a difference, isn't it? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Yes. Because here we've got this family of red squirrels, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
all gentlemen, I think. Yes, yes. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Disporting themselves in an incredibly Victorian interior | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
and frankly, this is Victorian England in one little space. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
Yes, it is. I love the arrangement of pictures, entirely children, to sum up the fun of the thing. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
And the old enemy for the squirrel is Reynard the Fox doing his stuff in the middle of it. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:17 | |
Absolutely. And that's a big joke. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
Yes. They're enjoying a glass of port wine on something called a loo table, a very Victorian table. Right. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:26 | |
They're playing the game of cards, loo, which is brilliant. Yes. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
But what I really love is the fact that that squirrel there is... Yes. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
..giving a message to his partner on the other side of the table | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
by showing the cards in the mirror behind, which is really naughty. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Yes, absolutely. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
How did it come into your house? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Well, we've owned it since 1987 when my father-in-law died. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
My husband remembers it coming to his parents' house in 1951 | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
via his grandfather, who accepted it as payment in lieu of a debt. And what did the grandfather do? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
Well, he was in a bakery business and general stores in London, so I mean that's quite feasible. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:05 | |
Well, it must have been quite a debt, mustn't it? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
I think so, yes. To take this, to take this in lieu. Yes, absolutely. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
Well, it's a curious thing and some of these things were set up to sit | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
in a Victorian parlour and sometimes they were taken around and shown on displays by travellers | 0:07:16 | 0:07:23 | |
and they charged children a shilling to have a look at the squirrels' card party, or whatever. Right, yes. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:30 | |
And those children would come in and they'd ooh and ah about it. It is a fantastic object. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
It is, yes, it's great fun. If you wanted an entire Victorian house within your house | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
without having to move house, then this is for you, isn't it? Mm, yes. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
And I would have thought that you'd probably get between £5,000 and £8,000 for it. Would we? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:50 | |
On a good day, who knows? £10,000. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
I don't know how endangered these red squirrels are. This is the trouble. They are today. Absolutely. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
I think they've been smoking and drinking, that's the trouble with it. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
This, I bought in a jumble sale when I was nine years of age | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
and I paid the princely sum of two and sixpence for it. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Half a crown? Yes, half a crown. Wow. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
I believe it's a George III tea caddy but obviously you're going to tell me all about it. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
Well, right, yes, it is a George III period tea caddy. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
This was the type of presentation box that you took... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
Instead of taking a box of chocolates or a bottle of wine, you took a little caddy of tea. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Ah. And this would have been taken to a rather important lady for a very important tea table. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
That's what they called the occasion, the tea table, it was the big event for gossiping in the afternoon. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
Nothing to eat with it, just the presentation and serving of tea. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
It is decorated with a veneer of yew wood, burr yew, which gives this wonderful sort of ripply effect, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
and a typical shell on the top. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
When it was new, this was bright green background and then these were various shades of gold. Oh. | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
And that shading is done by dipping each of those little bits into hot sand. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
Now, the important thing about it to us, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
particularly here, is the Prince of Wales feathers. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Well, I wondered if there was a Welsh connection. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Well, there's no telling. There's much more likely to be a connection between the person | 0:09:12 | 0:09:19 | |
who gave it, or the recipient as an allegiance to the Prince of Wales rather than to the King. I see. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:26 | |
So we know that it was given to, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
or belonged to, someone who was a Whig. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
Ah. Parliamentarian, right. Wow. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
So that, I think it starts to get interesting because now you're at the period when he was Prince of Wales, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
leader of high style fashion and a strict coterie of close friends | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
and that showed a strict allegiance to him rather than the King. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:49 | |
And that takes us into an academic piece of furniture. Oh, excellent. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
So it's worth more than half a crown? Oh, yes, just a little. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
Probably five bob now, 100% profit. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Wonderful. I should think it's worth between £2,500 and £3,000. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Never! Oh. Oh, yes, yes, wonderful. I don't believe it! | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Good gracious alive. I never dreamt it would be anything like that. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
I've not seen one with the Prince of Wales feathers on it in 40 years. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
Oh, you've made my day. I've seen hundreds of tea caddies, but not one like that. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Wonderful. You've made my day too. Thank you. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
'What sort of date do you think it might be?' | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
There is a little piece of paper inside that has 11th April 1905 written on it. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Well, that's a start, but I think you're a little bit out with the date because... | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
have you ever looked inside here? No. Well, a glance. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
There's the usual nib to open the thing at the bottom. Right. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
And there we are, we've got a full set of London hallmarks for 1822. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
Good heavens. So rather earlier than you thought. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Yes. And I notice here | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
that the watch is signed by George Stephenson and Warminster. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:03 | |
Now, what are we doing with a Warminster watch in Cardiff? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
My father was, as I am, Bristolian and his father was Bristolian. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
So we are a Bristolian family. So pretty close to Warminster. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Nothing to do with Cardiff, I've lived here for the last 30 years. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
It all ties up and you might have noticed this extra hand. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
Yes. It's a calendar hand. You've got one through to 31 there. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
A nice little touch. The hands are original, it's a very pretty thing. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
Lovely. So you've never actually looked at this piece of paper before? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
I've seen it but I've never removed it, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
just in case it disintegrated and it would have been a shame. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
All these sort of papers are what we call watch papers, advertising for the specific jeweller. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
Right. And on the back, it's not a presentation but it would have been the date of a repair. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
We'll just take it out gently without damaging the silk that's inside and oh, isn't that lovely? | 0:11:55 | 0:12:02 | |
We have a little picture here of a shop front and in the windows | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
are clocks hanging up, and up here, we have advertisements to say, "Gold and silver." | 0:12:06 | 0:12:13 | |
And then it says "18/6d". Oh, that's lovely. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
So this would have been an advertisement for his shop. Yes. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
And having done the repair, he put that back in the watch case and then you'd know when it was last done. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
Oh, that's amazing. And you've never seen that before? | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
Never ever seen that before, I'm not even sure whether my father had done. I love that. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
Sometimes, you'll get five or six, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
even ten of these in a watch and you can build up a history of when it was cleaned and repaired over many years. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
So that's when it was last in the repair shop. Isn't that fun? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
That's absolutely lovely. Oh, I'm so glad I brought that in now. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
So a silver pair case English verge watch. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
The sort of thing at auction - £220, £250. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Yes, lovely. Thank you so much. That's lovely. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
Today, we're in a Sandon-free zone. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
Right. Which means that me and the chaps get an opportunity to talk about Royal Worcester. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:10 | |
Do you like this? I do. It's my favourite piece. And my husband's favourite piece. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
It is? It's not ours, though, it's my father's, so... | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
OK, but it's got your name written all over it in later years, has it? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
It has. Well, it's one of those pieces that the minute you see it, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
it shouts but one name, and that one name is George Owen. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
It's not signed, and to be frank it's one of those objects that | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
it doesn't really need a signature, because the signature is the piece itself, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
and you've just got to marvel at this man. He's working in the early part of the 20th century. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
I think he actually locked himself in a room to do all this piercing. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
I did wonder how they actually do this. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
Well, he was very careful to keep the secret to himself. I mean, obviously he was big on patience - | 0:13:52 | 0:13:58 | |
I mean, lots of patience - because it just beggars belief, doesn't it? It's fabulous. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
It is fabulous. Let's give it a bit of a twirl because you've got... | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
You've got that lovely pierced ovoid body, and then look at that handle and look at the beading... | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
You've got the beading on that top and then the actual lips themselves - | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
you'll notice they're actually pierced as well with a pretty design. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
The gilding... Wow! It just sparkles like, you know... This should be with the crown jewels, it's so sparkly. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:27 | |
This is quality with a capital Q, isn't it? It really is. Yeah. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
If I could go out and buy a single ewer to match that, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
I would probably have to pay... Well, probably more than £10,000. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:43 | |
But it's only money. Yes. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
And aren't you pleased that you've made it clear that | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
that was the piece that you wanted before I told you what it was worth? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
Thank you. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
We're in Wales, and the passion of this week's collector is mining memorabilia, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
but for Bill Richards it's not just a collection - | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
it's a celebration of a way of life and a family history, because, Bill, you were a miner. Yes, I was, yes. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
How long were you down there? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
15 years. Man and boy. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Man and boy, yes. And you're not the first miner in your family. No, all the family, on both sides, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:21 | |
going back to 1840 - my grandfather, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
my great-grandfather... | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
That's one from Bristol. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
That's your great-grandfather? That's my great-grandfather. A miner, as well. Miner, born in 1841. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:36 | |
And were the women involved as well? | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
My grandmother worked on the surface of a colliery in the Rhondda and she lost an arm, severed about there, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:45 | |
making bricks when she was 16 in 1893. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
So, you've really earned your name as a mining family. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Did your collection start from your own experience? Did you bring your own equipment? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
Well, I kept a lot of stuff when I left the colliery, and I was in business in Tonypandy, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
and a lot of my customers gave me stuff to display in the window, you know, and it's grown from there. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
It's interesting, this is all stuff that has a purpose and a useful working life, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
and yet it's quite lovely, as well. Now, what are these sort of tokens over here? | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
When you sign on at a colliery, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
you were given a check, and on your first day when you go to the lamp room you'd take a lamp out... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:27 | |
..off the shelf, take that away, and you hang the check in place, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
so that if at the end of the shift - say, two hours after the end of the shift - that check is still there... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:41 | |
Proof that a man is missing. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
Proof he's still underground or he's missing. That's quite dramatic. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
I don't want to be morbid, but did you see any bad things when you were below? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
Well, yes, I think every miner saw that. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
The biggest thing that will remain with me for ever is the explosion of 1965 in Cambrian, | 0:16:53 | 0:17:00 | |
when 31 of our colleagues died. They were shocking days, shocking. Yes. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
Now, what are these boxes? I mean, they look like something | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
one of our experts would be pleased to see snuff in. What are they? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Well, that's a tobacco box. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
And that is actually what we call a chew of tobacco, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
and you chew that... | 0:17:23 | 0:17:24 | |
break it off and chew it, to keep your mouth moist and stop the penetration of the dust. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
And was that sort of something that they all had to do? | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
Suppose you hated the taste. Well... Could you sell it to another miner? | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
Oh, no, it was all given away, because someone would say, "Give us a chew," | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
and if you look at that box there, you see, what he did then, he'd put it like that... Yeah. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:49 | |
..and that's why... That is worn away there. It's worn away there. Yes, fabulous. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
What's the star of your collection? Would I be right in guessing it's those watches? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
Because they are magnificent. Well, yes... | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
That was one that I used, that was my father's, and that was his father's. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:09 | |
He was killed in 1915. A tram run over his body, but I've been told that the watch was still going. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:17 | |
The watch was working, I know, at one time, but it's not working any more. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
This is really concentrated family history, three generations. Yes. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
What do you want to happen to your collection? Are you interested in its actual value? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
Not particularly, because I just hope... | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
I've got two grandsons and I've got a granddaughter coming, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
and I just hope that it'll be kept and passed on for them. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
It's a great story, Bill. Thank you. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Do you come from a gambling family? Yes. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
You do? We have a local bookmaker's shop in Grangetown in Cardiff, yes. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
Ah, right, OK. And a social club. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
Where was the club? Oh, it's in Grangetown in Cardiff. Right. Still running at the moment. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
Where was this from? This is from the social club. Right, OK, and I take it no longer used, obviously. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:08 | |
It's been in the front room for about 20 years. Right. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
I like Jennings machines a great deal. There's quite a history behind them. They were an American company | 0:19:11 | 0:19:17 | |
I believe, based in Chicago, in fact, and some of their early machines from the 1930s are extremely stylish. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:24 | |
Now, I believe that this model, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
which became a lot more sort of boxy and less complicated in its design, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
came in after about 1938, so hopefully that ties in with the history of the club. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:36 | |
Um, it's called "The Governor" here, but obviously these are plates | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
that were made for use in Britain, and a lovely piece of design. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
Now, unfortunately, it seems to be jammed. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
Yeah, I think my son jammed it. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Ah, right, OK. A few years ago. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:54 | |
I suspect if we could get into the back and have a look, it may be possible to unjam it. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
What's interesting, as well, is it's got its original stand, so it's a whole package, in fact. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
I think whether it's working or not, people like them for decoration - they're good-looking things. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
This obviously isn't one of the earliest examples, which can make a fair amount of money. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
As a later example, and as an auctioneer, I'd tend to put £400 to £600 on these for auction. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:21 | |
Right, lovely. Thank you for bringing it. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
Yeah, thank you very much. Happy gambling. Yeah. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Did you know it was 18th century? No. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
Do you know how to tell whether it's 18th or 19th century? No. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
Well, there are an awful lot of copies around and you have to be very careful and one way to tell | 0:20:32 | 0:20:39 | |
is to take a pen and a piece of paper. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
Smaller on the top than the base. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
The fakes are almost invariably the other way round. Right. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
They never make the base big enough. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
Pretty sure-fire way of telling. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
This one dates from about 1755, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
with this lovely cotton-twist stem... | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Do you know how they made the cotton twist? No. Absolutely amazing... | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
You get an iron collar | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
and you put a pattern of white glass rods and clear glass rods | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
in the pattern you want. You heat the collar up until the glass has melted, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
and you put an iron rod on one end and an iron rod on the other end | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
and two men walk the length of this hall, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
and what started out that big, ends up that big, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
and they break it up into sections and make it into a glass stem. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
Then they put the foot on it, then they put the bowl on it. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
Now the nice thing about this one is that we've got an inscription on here | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
in diamond point. This was actually engraved with, possibly a diamond ring, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
but more likely a diamond fixed in bitumen on the end of a pencil, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:17 | |
and they've engraved it with this message. I can't see it - | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
I haven't my glasses - what does it say? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
"A keepsake from..." Yeah. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
"..Sarah Smith | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
"to Sarah Louise Ford." | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
Sarah Louise Ford would have been my great-grandmother. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
I think it goes back further than that. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
There might have been another one. Do you know the other person? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
No, Ford was my grandmother's maiden name. They were from Bristol. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
Well, it might be a later engraving, but I would have put that engraving to the beginning of the 19th century, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:50 | |
and that would take it back way beyond your great-grandmother, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
but who knows? Um, very unusual, very sensitive message for this date, | 0:22:55 | 0:23:02 | |
a woman to a woman, very uncommon, and clearly done not a professional engraving, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
but possibly even by Sarah herself. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Oh, right. Lovely thing. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Chip on the bottom - it will affect the price, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
but it's boosted by the fact that you've got this unusual message on it. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
You could easily see it making £400 to £600. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:29 | |
Very good. Nice thing. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
My grandfather bought her, and then she came down through the family | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
and after my mother died, she became mine. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Right, was that difficult? I mean, have you got brothers and sisters? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Yeah, five brothers and sisters but we have a rule that you're not allowed to argue, so we cut cards. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
Anyway, your lucky card turned up and you finished up with her. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
Yes. I mean she is an extremely smart society girl, isn't she? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
Beautifully wrapped up in her musquash fur coat | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
with this delightful fur collar and her hair tied up in this exquisite way. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
A sort of turbany thing. Turbany thing. It's made of bronze, it's made of cold-painted bronze, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:13 | |
which is a particular type of treatment for the surface of the bronze where you paint on cold, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:19 | |
after it's cooled, a colouring scheme, but it's discoloured over the years a bit with this. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:26 | |
That's why she's got different shades of colour. That's right. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
So, the musquash coat itself is that sort of chocolaty brown, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
and the fur collar is a slightly different and darker brown, as is her muff, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
and then the head-dress is almost greenish. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
I've been over her quite carefully and I can find no marks at all. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
No, I know. That's why we don't know anything about her. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
But, fortunately, I've seen one or two of these before. OK. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
It's actually made in Austria. It's made by the Bergman family, and sometimes you get a "B", | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
a "B" in a vase-shaped ornament, stamped somewhere, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
and that's an indication of the Bergman family. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Sometimes they're stamped "Namgreb" and Namgreb is Bergman backwards, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:12 | |
so those are two things to look out for, for this type of bronze. Right. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
She's very special. Around about 1910-1915. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
Bit earlier than we thought, then. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
Bit earlier than you thought, but she has a special feature, doesn't she? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
And if we get hold of the edge of her coat... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
Da-da! | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
She does literally reveal all. She always makes you laugh when you do that. She makes you laugh?! | 0:25:32 | 0:25:39 | |
But what I think is so extraordinary is that her silk stockings finish here... | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
I've never seen a bronze finished with silk stockings. It's a bit naughty, really, isn't it? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:50 | |
And, of course, she's wearing boots. I know. Really wonderful. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Wonderful. The whole business of wearing no knickers but wearing a fur coat has a new connotation | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
when you're looking at an old work of art, like this. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
She's just gorgeous, and her boots are so chunky and she's so elegant. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
I know. Very, very schoolboyish, I have to say, but delightful | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
and incredibly commercial. This sort of thing is popular on the market, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
it's popular worldwide. I can't imagine why, but anyway it is, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
and if I was valuing it, I'd put an estimate, a cheeky estimate, of probably £1,800 to £2,500, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:28 | |
because of its type, it's a very good one. Yes. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Thanks for bringing it in. Thank you. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
This is a really interesting picture and I actually know straightaway who this is by. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
If you look very carefully on the right-hand side here, we see Fred Yates incised in the paint. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:44 | |
Now, Fred Yates was an artist who was born in Manchester in the 1920s, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
but from the '70s, he was living in Cornwall. This is very much a Cornish street scene, like Helford, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
and it's beautifully painted and spontaneously painted. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
When you look at the style of the painting, it reminds you of Helen Bradley, and before that, Lowry. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
And is this something that you've had for a while? | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
Well, I bought it about | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
four or five months ago in a car-boot sale. Car-boot sale? | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
Yeah. And I asked the woman how much she wanted for it, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
and she said, "Ten pence." | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Ten pence?! Yeah. I don't believe it. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Yeah, ten pence, so... Well, that's fantastic! | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
Well, Fred Yates, over the last 12 months, has become very, very popular, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
and your ten pence has turned into £700 to £1,000. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
Crikey. And, I mean, that is amazing - ten pence. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:40 | |
What can you tell me about its history? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Well, it was left to me by my great-grandmother. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Right. So that would put it back - what? - into the 19th century, do you think? Yes, I should think so. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:54 | |
Yes, right. The features that I think make it such a lovely object | 0:27:54 | 0:28:00 | |
are the way the potter has been able to recreate the tabby markings on the cat so effectively | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
with these wonderful stripes. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
And also to give it this really strange feel which... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
You know, it's rough but it's smooth - it's what we call "salt glaze". | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Oh, right. And it involves putting the pieces into a kiln, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
and at a certain key point in the firing process, you put salt | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
in the top of the kiln, it falls down onto the pieces inside the kiln, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
reacts and creates this wonderful effect. Almost grainy. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
Yes, this is a Staffordshire cat. Oh. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
It was made in two pieces. Yes. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
And flat clay was pressed into a mould, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
but when you look underneath it, the tabby markings on the outside... | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
Go right inside. ..are also on the inside, which seems rather strange. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
The reason for that is that the body of the cat is what we call agate - | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
it's made of a mixture of different clays all swirled together. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
It's quite a skilled technique to do it, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
but when the clay is then rolled out and pressed into the mould, you get this wonderful effect. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
In the 1920s, some excavations were carried out in Staffordshire | 0:29:11 | 0:29:17 | |
and the broken pieces of similar cats to this were found | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
buried in the ground on the site of a pottery there, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
so this is a cat that dates from about 1745. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Gosh. They're really quite rare, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
um, and I think we'd really be looking at a figure in the region of £2,000 to £3,000. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:38 | |
Never! Yeah. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:39 | |
Oh, my gosh! | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
It's a wonderful little cat. Oh, yes. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
And it was your great-grandfather who established David Morgan, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
which became the largest department store in Wales. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
That's right - David Morgan on the picture there. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
A great landmark in Cardiff, certainly. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
And it sadly, after 125 years, will soon be closed. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
Will be closing at the end of January, next January, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
but in the meantime we celebrate our 125th anniversary this October. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
I don't know if you realise it, but I do have a personal connection with this place. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:21 | |
I had received a hint, and by sheer coincidence, I have the documentary evidence here. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:28 | |
Oh. Your record card when you were with us 50 years ago. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
I can't deny that, of course. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
The evidence is there - your signature. Yes. Good references, though. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
And I worked for your family store for quite some time as a sort of salesman, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:45 | |
but I was getting into broadcasting at the same time here in Cardiff in the early '50s. Yes. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
And I was allowed to have time off by Mr Gerald, who was your...? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
My uncle. I was doing Children's Hour Serial Play, and he let me off for four of the episodes, | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
but he wouldn't let me off for the fifth. I said "I get killed in that episode - I must go," | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
and he said, "Choose between the BBC and David Morgan," so I went to the BBC and I did the thing, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:10 | |
and when I came back, he said, "I told you you had to choose," and I said, "I have chosen the BBC," | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
and he said, "I do not accept your resignation - you are dismissed," and here it is. There it is. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
"Reason for leaving - absent without permission." | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
Yes. Oh, have you forgiven me? | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Oh, I think after 50 years we can forgive you. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
Well, you are obviously very keen on jewellery, aren't you? | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
My husband always bought me nice jewellery. Did he? Did he buy you this? | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
No, I was left it by a great-aunt about 30 years ago, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
and, apparently... I think it's like a Polish origin, because this lady, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:50 | |
it was an engagement present instead of a ring, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
and then some Polish connections. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
But I'd love to know the value, and I'm afraid to wear it because it's valuable. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
What did you feel when you opened that box, when you were first left it? Was that an exciting moment? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:06 | |
It was, yes, because I hadn't seen such a lovely piece, and I didn't know that she had this thing. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:13 | |
Well, lovely it certainly is, and, my goodness, it's decorated. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
And I'd love to know what the stones are and... | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
Right, shall we run through those quickly? All right, then. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
That's a chrysoberyl there. Yes. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
And that's a hessonite garnet called a "jacinth", and there's an amethyst and a pink topaz and a turquoise. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:34 | |
Pink topaz? That's my lucky stone, because I'm a Halloween birthday. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
You're a Halloween birthday? | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
Yes, and my name's Mrs Wookey, so I'm Wookey the witch. Wookey the witch? Well, that's fantastic. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:45 | |
The turquoise, and there's a peridot at the end, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
but it's spattered with turquoises and rubies and it's... | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
Rubies? | 0:32:51 | 0:32:52 | |
Oh, I see a ruby there. Oh, yes, I hadn't noticed those. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
It's an amazingly rich-looking object, isn't it? | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
Have you tried to understand what these funny girls are all over it? | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
What are they all about? I've no idea at all. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
Well, they're in national costume. Oh, I see. Of what country? | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
It's not Poland - it's actually Switzerland. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Switzerland? I'm surprised at that. These are the... | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
And each little portrait of a girl in national costume | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
is actually paralleled with a shield emblematic of a Swiss canton. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:25 | |
Oh, Swiss canton? Swiss canton, yeah. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
And these little panels are painted enamel, so truly astonishing | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
and it's rather older than you think. How old do you think? Older than me? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
Well, it's certainly older than me! | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
And it's made in about 1840. 1840? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:43 | |
Yeah. And it's a souvenir. What do you think of that? Souvenir. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
Well, it was bought as an engagement present. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
I mean, I think, you know, what we can be certain of is if it was given in an engagement present, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
that wasn't the first owner - it was already an old thing by that time. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
Switzerland, particularly Geneva, is a centre for enamelling and watch making, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
and when you went to Switzerland, which was an accessible place to go to on a grand tour of the continent | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
in the 19th century, you wanted to bring back a little flavour of what you'd seen, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
and you'd probably be taken round enamelling factories and watch-making factories... | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
It's a souvenir of the grandest possible type. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
It would have cost an absolute bomb in its own time. Oh. Lucky girl who received it. Yes. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
It's in fantastic order. There's some damage to the enamel there, which I don't think is too serious. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:33 | |
It's a miraculous piece of craftsmanship to work up this wonderfully malleable gold... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:39 | |
It's almost a sort of museum quality thing, terribly exciting, and if you found it in an antique shop | 0:34:39 | 0:34:45 | |
specialising in jewellery, you'd be asked something in the region of...£8,000. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:51 | |
£8,000?! Oh, that's a nice lot. Another few cruises. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:57 | |
Very, very good. Absolutely brilliant. Fantastic. Thank you very much. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
And the locomotive itself, because it's in such nice condition | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
is worth probably around about £120 to £180. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
I like this because it's in GWR livery, God's Wonderful Railway, of course. Everyone loves GWR. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:15 | |
It's an engineering tour de force underneath here, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
where we've got a ribbon of brass and then these solid steel supports, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:24 | |
each of which go to bits of bamboo | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
and finish up with the ivory terminals. That is an extremely rare and very beautiful example. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:36 | |
I'd give you more for this one than I would for all those brollies on that heap - | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
between £400 and £600. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
Never. Yeah. Wow... | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
John Lennon bought it about 1967. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Bought this very figure? Yeah. Wow. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
And gave it as a gift to Yoko Ono... | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
Fantastic. ..when they lived together in Kenwood in Weybridge, between '67 and 1970 I think. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:02 | |
That's amazing. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Are you a bit of a Beatles fan yourself? Oh, yeah, I love the Beatles, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
but I also collect Royal Doulton and I do have several other figures, so the connection... | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
And it so happens that this is Royal Doulton. Yes, that's correct. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
The great thing is that you don't have to be a rocket scientist to spot Royal Doulton, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:22 | |
because it's so beautifully stamped. The backstamp's always very clear on the underside, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
and what we've got on the underside here, we've got the Geisha and also the backstamp of Royal Doulton, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:34 | |
and this particular figure was produced between 1927 and 1938 by Charles Noke | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
who was actually one of most influential figures throughout the whole history of Royal Doulton. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:44 | |
Yes, yes. It has collectability just because it's Royal Doulton. Yes, yes. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
But the amazing fact that it was purchased by John Lennon... | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
Now have you got any sort of proof? At the end of the day, it's all very well having hearsay. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
It just so happens I have some... | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
Sorry. Here it is. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
What have we got here? Well, this... | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
I'll just give you that, shall I? | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
That's a signed letter from | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
Ken and Margaret Brunt who were the haulage contractors of the Beatles between 1967 and 1970. Yeah. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:17 | |
And, in fact, when the Beatles broke up in 1970, John Lennon gave it as a gift to Ken and Margaret Brunt. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:24 | |
So here we have concrete proof that John Lennon actually gave this to the hauliers. Absolutely, yes. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:31 | |
As a gift. What a fantastic thing to do. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
And a number of other documents, such as an Apple headed letter to Mr Brunt, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
organising some car tax, I think, and... But it just guarantees the authenticity of the letter. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
Yes, yeah. I've just spotted at the top here, a bit of restoration. What's the story behind that? | 0:37:44 | 0:37:51 | |
Yes, when I bought it, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
the tip of the mandolin... | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Yeah. ..was broken and it had been glued back on. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I had it professionally repaired, as you can see. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
Yeah. It's a beautiful piece of... | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
She's quite revealing for a 1920s figure, don't you think? That's right, yes. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
Because of the damage, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
I could see a figure like this at a general auction sale being valued at between £150 and £250. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:17 | |
Because it's quite a rare figure in good condition, you're looking at more £300 to £400 | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
for a figurine. Maybe more, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
but that's at auction. Now, what did you pay for it? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
Um, a lot more than that actually. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
Yeah, yeah, well, that's fine. How much? | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
About £700, £800. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
Well, that's fine, because anything connected with John Lennon, you know, turns to gold. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:41 | |
That's why I bought it, really, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
that connection. Thank you very much. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Let me ask you why it is so dirty - do you not look after it? | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
No, it lives in a box in the attic because it's so ugly. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
Really? Who banished it up there? | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
My wife. And how long ago did she put it up there, dare I ask? | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
Well, it was given to me about five years ago and it was put straight into the attic. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
But who would give you a clock that you didn't like that much? A friend or family or...? My uncle. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:13 | |
Do you remember it working in his house when you were a youngster? | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
No, it worked in my grandfather's house when I was about 11 years old. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
That would be during the war. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Right, well, it would be silly for me to say to you, "Do you know where it came from?" Because the "Paris" | 0:39:23 | 0:39:29 | |
on the dial is a bit of a give-away, so we clearly know it's French. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Underneath all this filth and mess, we have the most wonderful bronze bull, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:39 | |
and he is standing on a magnificent ormolu stand, and then we have this lady on the top. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:47 | |
Now, do you know who she is? Europa. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
Europa. Absolutely right. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
And this of course signifies the Rape of Europa, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
when Zeus turned himself into the bull and theoretically raped her. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
The casting of her is absolutely sensational. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
I'm just looking at things like the detail on her sandal. She is absolutely beautifully cast, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:10 | |
and all these very, very fine Louis XVI clocks | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
are signed on the back plate, and we've got the most magnificent signature along there. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
Sennellier, I don't know really particularly well. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
You're lucky - look. The original pendulum is still there, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:30 | |
and that hangs on the little silk, and the actual pendulum swings within the tummy of the bull. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:36 | |
The bell's missing, but bar that, that movement would clean up a treat, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
and it's a lovely top-quality French movement. Would it still work? | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
Oh, it would still work. That could be very easily done. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
You're probably gathering I'm rather excited about this. Yes, yes. And you still hate it, don't you? | 0:40:53 | 0:41:00 | |
Well, I think my wife might still, but I'm getting to be quite... | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
Getting keener. Yes. Getting keener. What sort of sum do you think would tempt it to come out of the cupboard? | 0:41:05 | 0:41:12 | |
I really don't know. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
I did take photographs of it to an auction house, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
and they told me something like £300, £400. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
How long ago was that? | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
Oh, ten years. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
Right, OK, that's still a bit mean in those days, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
so if I said to you it's worth £4,500, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:37 | |
would that tempt you to bring it out and make sure she enjoyed it? | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Yes, I think she would enjoy it. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
Well, that's what you'd have to pay for a 19th-century copy. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
This is the real thing. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
Even in this state I think your initial offer would be in the region of £20,000. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
Twenty? £20,000 in the rough, like this. Good heavens! | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
And by the time it's been lovingly cleaned, restored, everything done beautifully, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:06 | |
you're not going to replace this retail, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
anything under £30,000 to £35,000. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
Would you mind telling me again, how much? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
In the rough, like this, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
I think in the region of £20,000. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
Good heavens above! | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
My wife will never believe it. Absolutely marvellous. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
Great. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
There are some very early birds in Cardiff. The first visitor arrived here this morning at five o'clock, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
and we don't open the doors till nine. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
All day, the City Hall has been humming with the discreet sounds of the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
but I remember when it echoed to the more raucous noises of the jitterbug and the quickstep, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
because we came here, in the '50s when I lived in Cardiff, every Saturday night for the weekly hop. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:50 | |
Happy memories. And we're coming back. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Next time, we shall be having a look at the castle and other treasures. Until then, from all of us, goodbye. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:59 | |
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