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The famous owner of this fine house in the Buckinghamshire countryside | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
once declared, "There are three kinds of lies - there are lies, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
"damned lies and statistics." | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
He was, of course, a politician, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
three times Chancellor of the Exchequer, twice Prime Minister. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
The house is Hughenden Manor on the outskirts of High Wycombe. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Today it's owned by the National Trust, but from | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
the middle of the 19th century, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
it was the home of Conservative leader Benjamin Disraeli. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
Disraeli would have quite enjoyed the modern age | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
of spin and the soundbyte. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
He once dismissed his main Liberal opponent with this one... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
"If Gladstone fell into the Thames, that would be a misfortune, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
"and if anybody pulled him out, that, I suppose, would be a calamity." | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
Away from the hectic atmosphere of Westminster, Disraeli found | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
the calm that he needed at Hughenden to devote himself to a whole raft | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
of social policies. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
He brought in laws to encourage slum clearance | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
and to find housing for the poor, and legislation to stop children | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
being used as chimney sweeps. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
It wasn't all social reform and political put-down. Disraeli was | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
also an enthusiastic host, the cream of Victorian high society were | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
invited here, and when Queen Victoria herself came to dine, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
her chair was especially shortened | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
so that her feet would touch the floor. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
The Queen always said that Disraeli was her favourite Prime Minister, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
and when he died, his body was laid out beneath her portrait. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
And while the apple of the Queen's eye dealt with matters of state, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
his wife, the effervescent Mary Anne, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
busied herself with matters on the estate. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
She supervised the planting of hundreds of trees | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
and the landscaping of a vivid and colourful garden, all nicely matured | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
for today's Antiques Roadshow. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Well, this looks very comfortable. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
-Yes. -Whoops. I'm sorry, I'll tighten up this multi-purpose chair. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:47 | |
-How long have you had it? -About five or six years. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
-Right, and... -Just bought it at the local auction in Amersham | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
where I work and near where I live. It's what I've been looking for. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
I thought I'd buy another one, but I fell in love with this. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
Have you had it recovered? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
I've had it reupholstered, again locally in Chesham, yes. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
-Well, he did a jolly good job. -Very traditional. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Oh, yes, quite interesting that | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
-this idea developed over a period of 250 years. -Uh-huh. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
The first moveable chair, adjustable chair, was introduced | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
-in the end of the 17th century, fairly simple compared to this. -Mm. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
But what I like about it is, it shows how the Industrial Revolution, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
the production of various metals and the absolutely unrestrainable | 0:03:28 | 0:03:34 | |
imagination of the Victorians enabled this sort of thing | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
to be created out of a simple idea. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
This chair does absolutely everything, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
and obviously, it slopes back, it rocks if I release that. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
-You don't want to rock, do you? -No. -OK! | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
You've got a variety of foot-rest angles, you've got something | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
to support your feet, if you can reach them, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
then you've got a little tray for your drink | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
and this, which is the most fabulous universal-joint mechanical device, to enable you to read, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:07 | |
and you just undo this, and the most amazing fitment | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
on here and it swings round so you can have a book, a drink, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
-got the fire in front of you, marvellous. -Describes my life, eh? | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
If you feel like easing | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
your head forward a little, then there's an even better headrest. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
This was made by Foot, well, they were one of several firms | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
who patented various different designs, so can you | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
remember how much you paid for it? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Around £300, I think. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
OK, and you've spent quite a bit of money on it? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
About as much again, yes. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
Even that's very good because if you go back in | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
the auction records, and certainly the last one I remember being sold, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
because one does remember things like this, was last September | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
-and it made £1,400. -Oh, very nice. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
-So that was good, you bought very well. -Sit back and enjoy it. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
Sit back and enjoy the show, the perfect antique. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
-Well, it's sort of "all aboard for the Antiques Roadshow". -Yes. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
It's a great train set, and it's lovely to be able to | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
put it out on the track here. What are your first memories of it? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
My father used to keep it in the wardrobe and | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
one day Mother said, "You should see your father's old train set," | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
and got it out and had a look at it, but I never played with it. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
Now you never played with it | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
because it was forbidden or because it was sort of old and fusty or...? | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
No, I just felt that because it was so old, even then, that, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
I didn't want to take the chance of damaging it, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
particularly winding it up, and we never had a key in any case. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
I mean, I would put it around 1900/1902. Does that fit in with Dad? | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
Yeah, that would fit in exactly, because he was born in 1898. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Um, it's made by one of the great | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
German manufacturers, a company called Gebruder Marklin. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
-Really? -Now, Marklin started the business in the 1850s | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
and in fact it's one of very few German manufacturing companies | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
that's still in existence today, still making trains. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
And let's see if we can find a... | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
let's see if we can find a trademark of the Marklin company. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
There's one on this little carriage here. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
-There we go, can you see this shield? -Yes, yes. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
And in it, there is a letter "M" | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
and we can see that that is the trademark | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
of the Marklin company at that time, sort of 1900/1905 period. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:34 | |
I mean, to me, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
what I love about this type of toy is that it's not an accurate model. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
It's...it's... | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
got a sort of element of whimsy about it. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
-Do you see what I mean? -Yeah, I do, yeah, yes. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
Everything's not quite to scale, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
it's done by somebody with a free hand, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
the painting is pretty but not prissy, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
and I can understand | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
why people love them, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
and people do love them | 0:07:02 | 0:07:03 | |
and they're very collectable. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
So whilst this is not in perfect condition, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
one can't pretend that it is, I still think it is | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
a desirable object and I would have thought we're talking about £1,500, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
certainly, and maybe a little bit more with the wind behind it. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
-So have you ever seen it going? -No, I haven't, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
which is probably because I have no key for it. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
Oh, shame, I wish I could magic a key up, but I can't. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Um, but at least let's have | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
an illusion of it going along under clockwork. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
-Yes. -And just enjoy this survivor from the golden age of toys. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
What a good idea. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
Absolute riot of colour, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
this picture, all this produce, groaning produce on this bench here, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
being sold in this market | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
is an extraordinary riot of colour. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
-Was it always this colourful in your memory? -No. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
What happened is... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
We've had it in our family. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
It's my brother's picture, but he can't be here today. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
So I decided for a Christmas present for him, we'd get it cleaned | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
-and this is the final result. -Did he know you were going to do it | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
-or did you just display it on Christmas Day? -Oh, yes. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
We look after it, so it hangs up. He went, "Where's me picture gone?" | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
I had to tell him, "I'll get it cleaned for you for Christmas." | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
-Was it away a long time? -Four months. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
They did a good job. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
When I saw this picture at first, I mean, I knew who it was by | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
because it's an artist who always paints this scene. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
He's called Henry Charles Bryant. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
-Oh, right. -So I felt a bit smart saying "Henry Charles Bryant", | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
and then, of course, it's signed down here so that was | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
a useful endorsement, but you know, he always does these scenes, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:42 | |
it makes you wonder how many he did, because you see them in sale rooms | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
across the country and they come up quite regularly. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
They're not always exactly the same, there are little variations, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
but what's distinctive about him are, in the figures, for example, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
he often only does the full profile, do you see? | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
He avoids doing any turn of the face except for full face, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
because actually, he's not very good at them. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
If you look at this fellow, he's in three-quarter profile | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
and it doesn't quite work, but what he is good at, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
remarkably good at, is painting the lemons and the eggs and the oranges | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
and the pineapples. Just look at them, and the radishes | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
and the spring onions and the potatoes, that's lovely. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
That's what I like, the vegetables and how clear it is now. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Yeah, extraordinary, and then you get these chickens, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
which he's done extremely well. It's a bygone age. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
The EU won't let you buy any of this produce any more, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
not under these circumstances, and also I like his backdrops | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
of these market towns, which are... | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
I must say, there's very little known about this artist. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
-Oh, right. -We know that he lived in London for much of his life | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
then he moved to Portsea, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:51 | |
near Portsmouth. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Those are the addresses he gave | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
when he exhibited in the British Institution, in Suffolk Street, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
but these market towns, they don't seem to bear any resemblance... | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
although they seem to be generic market towns. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
So when you actually got it cleaned, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
did you get it valued as well? | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
Yes, we got it valued and it came back to say | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
that two pictures had been sold in London | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
in 1990 and 1991 | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-and both of them went for about £40,000 each. -Phew! | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
-It's a lot of money, isn't it? -Aye. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
Well, since then, of course, those high prices have smoked out some | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
more, and then we start to realise just how many of these he painted. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Once, of course, you've bought your H C Bryant, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
you don't really need another one, and I think | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
the price has sort of fallen away from those heights to now. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
I think it'd be more accurate | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
now to put something like £15,000 to £20,000 on this. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
The market has dipped. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
It'll probably come back, so we should hang on. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
For insurance purposes, what would you say, then? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Well, that's a tricky one. Who's to say it might not creep up again? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
It's just a dip, you know, you don't really know, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
um, so I would probably put | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
a sort of an in-betweeny figure of £30,000 on it for insurance. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:09 | |
-Right. -But what a wonderful thing. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
It's a giant hand holding a huge pot. Oooh! | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
And I suppose Italian-made, made in Italy. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
-Is it? Yes. -Made in Italy, yes, and the diamonds are falling out of it. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
-Yes. -Are they real diamonds? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
-I shouldn't think so. -No, they're cut glass, aren't they? | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
-Yes, yes. -But they look jolly nice, this one has fallen out. -Yes. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Where does it live? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
-That side. -Somewhere in there, so you're going to stick that back? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
-Back in, yes. -Very valuable(!) | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
But it's mad, isn't it? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
Through the family? | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
My mother bought it in about 1960 or '70, I think. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
-Yes. -Yes, and I've had it ever since, because she loved it. -Yes. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
It's the sort of thing that you either love or you hate. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
-Yes, and what do you do? -Well, I quite like it, yes. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
-It grows on you, doesn't it? -Well, I suppose so, yes. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
-But what do you do with it? -I just have it on the side. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
-I have it laid down, I don't have it... -Laid down, so... | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
-like that? -Yes. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:11 | |
And what do you do with it then? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
-Nothing, it's just an ornament on the side. -Do you put things in it or...? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
Sometimes. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:19 | |
It's absolutely crazy, little handmade flowers. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
-Yes. -It's quite impressive and I suppose made around about | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
-the 1920s. I don't suppose it's worth a huge amount. -No. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
-I mean, Mother probably prized it and you prize it. -Yes, yes. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
Worth, I don't know, about £50-£80, something like that. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
-As much as that? -It's good for a laugh, isn't it? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
-Yes, yes. -Marvellous, and put the diamond back. -I will. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
Now I recognise this young man here. It's Christopher Robin, isn't it? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
-It is indeed. -And his mother. I don't think I've seen | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
-a photograph of her before. -We assume it's his mother. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-Well, I don't think he'd get that close with any old woman. -No. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
I think that's lovely, and here we have a copy of Winnie The Pooh | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
and it's signed "AA Milne". | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
Now I notice it's not a first edition. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
Who is Farmhouse School? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
Well, my grandmother's best friend was a teacher there, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
and she wrote apparently to AA Milne | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
asking if he would be prepared to take an interest | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
in them, so he sent the book | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
presumably soon after that, and it wasn't a first edition, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
and then that was...that was how it all started. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Well, it's the same year as the first edition, which I think | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
is very nice, also the fact that it's got a slightly grubby but | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
nevertheless very serviceable dust jacket, which means | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
that the cloth underneath - let's have a look - is very good. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
And here he is again | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
looking absolutely enchanting. But you've also got, I've noticed, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
this - the complete Winnie The Pooh. Now this is a lot later, obviously. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
-Yes. -But it's got rather... It's by AA Milne, obviously. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
But it's got another rather interesting inscription, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
inscribed, "To Miss Jean Craig to remind her of our second meeting | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
"after very many years | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
"at Dartmouth on 11th February 1960, Christopher Robin Milne." | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
Which suggests to me that he met her before, at the school. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
I presume so, I'm not sure about that, he mentions | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
in his autobiography that there was this one school that they had contact | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
with, because obviously they had a lot of people writing in to ask for things, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
but they felt that this little school in Birmingham | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
was one that they could support, and then they sent the book | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
and sent the pictures. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
It's absolutely lovely, and this, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
which is the piece of resistance, I have to say, is fantastic. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
It's a picture of a rather effeminate son, Christopher Robin, and AA Milne, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
his father, and it's signed here "Christopher Robin", | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
childish handwriting, and "AA Milne" | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
there on the other side, which I think is absolutely cracking. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
Well, anybody who's collecting Pooh would want that, wouldn't they? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
So, what about values? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
We've never had them valued, they're family pieces. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
-They're family pieces now! -They are family pieces. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
Right, right. Let's start at the beginning, shall we? | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
Um, the one with Mummy that's unsigned, I think we can probably | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
say somewhere between £300 and £500 on that. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:28 | |
The second edition of Winnie The Pooh, I should think we can say | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
somewhere in the region of, what, £500 for that. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
This one, "The Complete Winnie The Pooh" | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
with the lovely inscription by | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
Christopher Robin Milne, I wouldn't put anything like that on it, simply | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
because it's from a different era, it's not the Christopher Robin that | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
we know and love, it's...it's a bookseller, antiquarian bookseller. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
Yes, I think he was quite unhappy about his...his... | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
-His childhood. -..childhood experience. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
Being dragged around in a pudding-basin haircut and all that, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
but for this one, which is what any Pooh collector would want... | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
..I can see that going for... | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
-£2,000. -Goodness me, amazing. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Isn't that the most wonderful photograph, though? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
-It's excellent, isn't it? -It's got everything going for it. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
-Lovely. -Lovely to see them, and thank you for bringing them. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
Well, thank you very much. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Well, this mass of colour and pattern says only thing to me, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
and I think you know as well as I that we're looking | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
at a wonderful piece of Poole pottery. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
How does it come to be in your possession? | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
Well, I saw it on the wall of a house which had been emptied and the | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
people who'd inherited the house had taken out what I was told they wanted | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
to keep, and this was on the wall, and I understood that everything was | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
going to house clearance, so I took it home and peeled off the sticker | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
that was on the back, the hanger, and saw that it was Poole, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
which I really didn't know anything about at the time. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
I phoned the Poole Collectors Club and I spoke to the gentleman who was | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
the secretary at the time - this is some years ago - and he said, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
"Oh, yes, describe it to me... Yes, I think I know the sort of plate it is." | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
He said, "Can you tell me what's on the back?" | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
So I told him there was a pin man | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
doing the splits and juggling with one ball | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
and he said could I turn it up the other way! | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
The detective work's got you quite a long way down the line, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
but hopefully there's a little bit more I can clear up for you. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
If we look at the back to start, we quite clearly have two very | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
-important marks here. -Yes. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
The first of these is this sort of monogram, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
-your juggling man doing the splits. -Yes. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Well, I think you decided that it might be a "T" and an "M". | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
-Yes. -Absolutely spot on, and actually it relates to a very | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
important gentleman at the Poole pottery works called Tony Morris. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
-Right. -The second mark that is very important and makes it something | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
slightly different for Poole is this one here, which is the Poole | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
-Studio mark. -I see. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Now if we go back to 1963, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
we've got Poole pottery working | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
in conjunction with Heal's of London, and they're launching a new range. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
-Ah. -And it was called Poole Studio. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Now something that I love about this which once sort of told becomes all | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
so obvious is the inspiration for this pattern, and actually it is a | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
vertical aerial view of a town plan. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
-No! -With its streets and its towns and its cities and its buildings. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
That's not what I see at all. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
No? Well, I'm not going to say you're wrong either, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
but that was his inspiration, it was all about town planning. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
-Really? -And that's what he drew, and you think about the '60s, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
it was all about town planning and rejuvenating. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
One thing with this type of pottery was, it basically didn't | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
survive that long, it wasn't made in great quantities because it was | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
just so expensive. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
-Really? -They used the most expensive glazes, they used the most expensive | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
time-consuming methods of decoration, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
-and as a result you don't see as much of this around on the market. -Mm. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
And I think an auction price today, if this were to go into a saleroom, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
this would carry quite comfortably | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
-a pre-sale estimate of £800 to £1,200. -Wow. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
And I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't top out over | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
the upper estimate of that. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
-Gracious. -Commercially it is everything a Poole Studio collector | 0:19:20 | 0:19:26 | |
would want to see. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
I've had a quick look in the books that I've got here today, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
I can't find William Ball of High Wycombe offhand, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
but it's great to find a Wycombe clock anyway when we're here. Can you give me any background on him? | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
Right, now, William Ball lived in Crendon Lane, which is now | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
Crendon Street in High Wycombe, and he made clocks at number eight. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
He assembled the kit from Birmingham and then the cases were made by local cabinet makers. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
My great great great great great great grandfather was a local cabinet maker | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
and he at that time was living up at the White Lion which is just up in Crendon Lane, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
he was the licensee, and they made chairs and clocks and suite cabinets and all that sort of stuff. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:06 | |
Well, I was going to say that the case is slightly unusual. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
It's obviously the style, the broken arch top and that sort of thing | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
is typical for the very end of the 18th century, 1790, with the | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
parquetry, but what is a bit more unusual is the parquetry stringing | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
and the way it's been inlaid, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
-it's I suppose what you'd call an up-market country clock case. -Yes. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
We're not that far from London so in a sense some of the techniques that | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
would have been used in London... | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
-He's probably trying to flog them there! -Yeah. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
..have crept out to here whereas if you go... | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
the further you go out into the country, usually the simpler they are. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
-Mm. Mm. -One point I would | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
like to bring up is the base. I am not convinced | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
that this bit here is original, I reckon that that is replaced. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
OK. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Probably end of the 19th century. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Yeah, woodworm, probably. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
More likely actually is washing the stone floors. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
-Oh, right, rotting the... -Chucking down buckets of water, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
washing it, and in fact somebody's made a nice stout base for that. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
-Yeah. -Which you could effectively | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
-wash about and you wouldn't damage the base. -Yeah. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
But they rotted out very easily. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
-Yeah, OK. -It seems to be running too. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Yes, great great great grandfather didn't want to pay the winders. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
-Sorry? -Well, you see this gentleman here... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
We're talking about the lock being ripped off. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
This geyser, like lots of clockmakers, he had a winder, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
-and the winder went round to wind people's clocks up. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Bought the clock and you had to pay the winder to come and wind it up. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
-You bought the clock... -He kept the key. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
And the man...Mr Ball kept...? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
-Yeah, he kept the key. -That is seriously smart. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
So he has an income, doesn't he? | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Great great great grandfather said, "I'm not paying him a penny a week," | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
screwdriver, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
lock's gone...Blu-Tack... | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
so whatever. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
The top of the second opening, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
there's a small catch, which if we pull it down... | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
-Yes. There we go. -The theory was that you could not upset the clock, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
so whether it was the master of the house or the local clockmaker | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
who came round and wound it, kids could not play with it. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
My brother and I did. We used to climb into the loft on it, hence the finial missing. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
I was about to mention that, that you'd | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
-forgotten to bring it with you. -It's a climbing frame. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
You see, one step, two steps, three steps, into the loft, loft access. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
Well, it's a fascinating story, it is a fairly conventional | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
clock of the period. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
The local interest will obviously affect the value, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
I mean, it's a family thing, but generally when you find a clock | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
that is locally made, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
despite the fact that the movement will have been, as you say, made in Birmingham or somewhere like that, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
and signed and made for a local customer, it makes a difference. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
And I would say this is now the sort of clock that's worth | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
perhaps in the region of about £3,000 or so. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
I've got it on my insurance at three, which is... | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
You could put that up a bit. The purpose of insurance | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
is that you don't have to become an antique dealer to replace it, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
so the insurance value is usually a bit higher. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
I'd say four for insurance and about three for value. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
"James the mouler and David the butcher". | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
-Any relation? -I don't think so. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
I believe my mother found this at an auction a long time ago, I'm not | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
sure, but it's always been around, but I don't think they're family. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
-And she got it how many years ago? -I would say probably 40 to 50, I believe. -And where does it live? | 0:23:22 | 0:23:29 | |
We keep it in the downstairs loo so the cats can't get at it and knock it over. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
-Not because you're ashamed of it? -No, we love it, and we don't want the cats to obliterate it. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
It's a bit of a mystery piece, this. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
It says underneath "Their bottle, June 1790..." | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
-Is that Hadleigh, Essex? -Yes. -So I think we can presume it's a local Essex pottery. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
It's certainly that lovely native English red soil covered in a lead glaze. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
Now if you put cider into a lead glaze, you get a nice little | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
amount of lead poisoning every time you take a swig. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
-Super(!) -And that's why they're a bit strange in those parts of Essex. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
So we will never know what brought James the mouler | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
and David together, but whatever it was, it happened on 17th June 1790. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
I think it's a really gorgeous honest pot and I guess it's worth | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
somewhere in the region of, let's say £500 to £800. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Oh, lovely, that's good. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
They do say, as you get older and older, you retire more and more | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
into your childhood, and this reminds me of my childhood on the | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
south coast and summer holidays, catching crabs and shrimps | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
and prawns and eels | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
on the south coast. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
On one glorious day I put down my net and a lobster walked backwards | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
into it and I came back, age seven, with a live lobster and this was | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
sort of post-war austerity and it was really very exciting | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
and my mother cooked it, and I've never eaten lobster since. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
Don't try these. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
This looks very much like the seashore down there at Bognor. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
These are in fact Japanese | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
rather than Sussex, these are all late 19th century. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:21 | |
-Right. -They're mostly made of bronze and they've been patinated. -Ah. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
-You didn't know? -I thought they were bronze but then we saw brass, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
when we moved those segments on the crayfish there. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
-Well, what you can see here is the base colour. -Yes. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
It is actually effectively a brass. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-Yes. -And that has then been patinated to give it this | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
coppery, browny, goldy whatever colour that they wanted on it. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
Um, and that is what you will find on any bronze | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
where it stands, you'll find it rubs to that colour. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
Do you have them at home crawling | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
across the carpet, or on a table? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Well, they belonged to my mother, and now they've come down to my | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
sister and me, and before that they were my grandfather's, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
-and he was something of a naturalist, loved creepy crawlies like this. -Ah. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
-And so they've sort of always been there. -Right. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
On a shelf, in a row, actually. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
-Really? -So first time we've had them in the round as it were. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
First time they've seen the light of day, like this anyway. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
-They do look wonderful together, I think. -They do. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Most of them are just | 0:26:31 | 0:26:32 | |
fixed... | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
demonstrations of a particular crustacean, but two are articulated | 0:26:35 | 0:26:42 | |
and the... | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
arms and legs and the claws are all moveable, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
giving a very naturalistic... | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
Yes, we were very intrigued as children, as you can imagine. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
I can imagine, and look at this one, absolutely fantastic. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
It's really... | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:27:03 | 0:27:04 | |
..lovely. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
And these come out like that. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
Now value. I think that the majority of these are in the region | 0:27:10 | 0:27:16 | |
of £100 to £150 each. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
Once you come to something more amusing like that... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
..you're in the £250 to £300 region, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
and that one, we're looking at £300 to £500. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
Overall we're looking somewhere at | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
-£1,500 to £2,000. -That's very nice. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
-Very interesting. -So thank you very much indeed. -A pleasure, thank you. -Thank you. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
I'm sure Disraeli would be quite happy that we're doing the Antiques Roadshow on his south lawn. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
Unfortunately, of course, he's been lying here since 1881. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
-Did he choose to be buried here, Jessie? -He did. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
When he died he was offered the chance of being buried in Westminster Abbey as he'd been a prime minister, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:09 | |
but he chose to be buried here, at Hughenden, the place that he loved, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
just down the hill from the manor house and next to his wife. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
And next also, I see, to Sarah Brydges-Willyams. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
How did that come about? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Yes, throughout his life Disraeli made a lot of relationships with | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
older women who could look after him. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
Mrs Brydges-Willyams was one of these. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
She promised to give him her legacy when she died, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
if he would let her be buried in the tomb next to him and his wife. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
He and Mary Anne agreed on this, and here she lies, and the £30,000 | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
that he inherited on her death enabled them to restore and remodel | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
the house and the gardens in the way that they wanted. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
So the great statesman and reformer was actually short of a few bob? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
He was, yes, many times through his life. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
He lost all his money on South American mining shares | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
very early on in his life, he launched a newspaper which failed, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
and he made his name for himself as a novelist, writing best-selling novels | 0:29:01 | 0:29:06 | |
but they made him a lot of enemies because of the thinly veiled attacks | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
on famous people that he put inside them, and throughout all | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
his life, he struggled against debt, using Mary Anne's money, money he | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
borrowed off friends, really to try and maintain the life he had here. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
So there was much more to Disraeli than met the public eye. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Absolutely, he tried to keep it very well under wraps. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
You know, I've probably said it before, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
but if objects could talk, I'd be out of a job! | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
But I know you're going to do some talking about these plates. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
-This is the focus of your attention today? -It is indeed, yes. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
Because in these two straightforward dessert dishes | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
lies a tale that connects these dishes with the house, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
and Byron and Disraeli, yes? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
-Indeed, yes. -So just elaborate, just fill me in. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
OK, my great great great grandfather was a Venetian gondolier, that's a portrait of him there. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:04 | |
The great man. He doesn't look very Venetian there, does he? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
No, Disraeli had this picture commissioned in 1836, and had him | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
dressed up in a Turkish outfit for it, not quite the Italian look. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
OK, now this is a copy, the original is in the house behind us. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
-It hangs in Hughenden, yes. -OK. -It was commissioned by Disraeli | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
because he was quite a character. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Um, he came to England in about 1832 | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
and went to work for Disraeli's father Isaac, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
-who lived about five minutes down the road at Bradenham Manor. -OK. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
They worked there for 19 years, he was the valet. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
When the house was broken up he went to work in London, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
but the story that comes back to the | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
plates is that we were always told that they came from the house of | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
Benjamin Disraeli. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
No-one had ever tried to verify it, but because we have Falcieri... | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
This is Giovanni Batista Falcieri. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
..working in the house at the time, we have the perfect opportunity here | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
-for them to have come across some of these plates. -Right. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
But they have to have certain dates. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
-They do? -Yes, because the house was closed up in 1848, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
so if the plates are later than 1848, I don't think the story works. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
-All right. -So this is the clincher really. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
I want to know a little bit more about this chap because he's known as Tita? | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
Tita, he was nicknamed Tita, we're not too sure who nicknamed him, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
but Byron always called him Tita, so he may have given him that nickname. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
-OK. So I'm looking backwards and forwards in here. -Yes. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
And you do have a definite Italianate look, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
you have a sort of a look of the Latin about you. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
If you look through the family tree pictures, everyone looks Italian. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
-Yes. -It's a very, very strong look that's carried right down. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Now he is actually dressed in such a way, he looks more in the way | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
of a Greek or a Turk, doesn't he? | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Which would work with a Byron connection. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
Yes, well, he fought with Byron in the Greek War of Independence. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
-Oh, did he? -And when Byron died in Missolonghi in 1824, he was at | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
his bedside and he actually brought the body back to England for burial. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
Fascinating stuff. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
But Disraeli said, "Oh, yes, my father could do with a valet. Off you go to Bradenham." | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
So they sent him up there and he caused absolute havoc because he | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
was such an unusual character, for all these local people living | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
in this tiny village in Bradenham, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:14 | |
who'd never seen anything like it. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
-I bet. -He was... A lot of jealousy apparently between the staff over this character. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
Was that the female staff, I wonder? | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
Um, I would guess so. He did actually end up marrying the housekeeper. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
-Oh, did he? -Yes, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:28 | |
So there must have been a relationship built up there. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
Well, there was obviously a relationship because | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
-here you are today! -Yeah. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
You're living evidence of it, you know! | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
Absolutely, so yes. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
So it all comes back to the plates, doesn't it? | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
It's all down to the plates, yes. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:42 | |
Let's have a look at the plates, let's just turn one up. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
Um, well we can see a little bit of the history of the piece, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
because it's been restored. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
Now, getting to the point, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
you were looking for a maker's mark, there's nothing there. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
-No. -There is a pattern number, OK. That is indicative of | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
quite a lot of pottery throughout the 19th century. You would have | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
thought whoever made these would have been happy to say, you know, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
"I was proud to make that plate." | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
But it was just the way it was between 1820 and 1840. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
-Right. -So your plates, um, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
are around about 1830 in date. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
-Fabulous. -Which I think works in well with your gondolier. -Yes. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:28 | |
-With Byron, with Dizzy, as he was called in these parts. -Absolutely, yes. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
If you were to ask me what the plates are worth, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
to be frank, they're the sort of thing that you can go on a local car boot and pick up for a fiver. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:41 | |
But we're not talking money here, we're talking treasure. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
-Absolutely. -And the treasure is in the story, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
and the treasure is in the connection with a character who's long gone. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
-Yes. -What a nice little bit of family history. -Thank you. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
They've been in the family as long as I remember, then I inherited them, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
and I believe my grandfather brought them home from the Far East | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
because he was in sanitation, and he worked out there, and I think | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
probably brought these home as a gift for my nan or family members. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
-He was laying pipes, was he, in the Far East? -Yes, yes. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
Which countries in the Far East was he visiting? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
I think he was China, Japan and those sort of countries, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
back in 1900, 1910 sort of era. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
He probably popped in on India on the way back, I guess. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
-Quite probably. -That's where the box comes from, the box is Indian. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
-Ah, right. -And they're all pretty much of a period. I'm going to put | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
the period around the 1890s, early 1900s, does that square? | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
Yes, yes, a bit earlier than I thought, but yes. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
Yeah, OK, well, the figure we've got here is a Chinese Immortal. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
He's called Lui Hai, and he's depicted with a toad... | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
-Can you see the toad peeping out of there? -Yes. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
Do you see this lovely little plume of smoke, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
this is sort of auspicious vapour... | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
-Right. -..that's coming out of the toad and he's got... | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
They've even inlaid the eyes. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
He's rather a nice character | 0:35:05 | 0:35:06 | |
-and he's supposed to bring you good luck and good fortune. -Right. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
You can see the carver's actually followed the tip of the ivory, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
this is the bottom part of an elephant's tusk, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
the very last part of the tusk, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
and they've put it onto a separate piece of ivory. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
Very often, you'll find ivory figures conform to the outline of | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
the tusk because they don't want to waste any of the material. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
-Right. -So he's Chinese. What about this lady here? | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
Oh, she's beautiful, the craftsmanship, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
-the exquisite... -This is your favourite? -Yes, I love her. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
Well, I'm pretty sure I can say that today, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
whatever we see, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
however many thousands of pieces we're going to see today, and we see a lot of ivory, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
I would be very, very surprised | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
if we see a piece as good as this. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
In terms of carving, this is as good as it gets. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
It's incredible, isn't it? And is this one Japanese or Chinese? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
-This is Japanese. -This is Japanese. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Absolutely. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
There was an extraordinary | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
meticulous interest in total detail, obsessional. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
-Right. -I mean, when you look at this, it's obsessional, isn't it? | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
-Yes. -The fan... -The fan. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
The fan, if we actually look down the edge, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
you can see they've actually unfurled | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
just a couple of leaves out of there | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
and you can see the others folded back on themselves. The hairdo, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
the way it's bunched... | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
Every time I look at it, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
-I marvel at it. -You get enjoyment out of this? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
-Yes, I do. -You're absolutely right, though, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
the flowers are the crowning glory, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
-aren't they? -Yes. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
That is absolutely amazing carving. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Now ivory's a very sensitive issue | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
because people like elephants, I like elephants. At the time | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
this was made, the elephant was not an endangered species. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
I have no problem in enjoying this piece. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
They were a farmed resource. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
I know today it's a different matter, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
so I don't think you should have any qualms | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
about owning something like this. Other people might disagree. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
Remarkably, the artist's signature is incredibly modest, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
in fact it's almost indecipherable, and it appears right down in the | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
bottom, at the centre of the piece. I think that is absolutely superb. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
Right, your Indian box, not worth a huge amount of money, maybe £50. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
-Right. -Your Chinese Lui Hai, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
he's probably worth about £200 or so. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
Right, she's in good nick. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
-Good. -Any idea of value? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
-Well, if that's £200... -Yes. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
..um...that's...£800. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Yes, I think you're right. I think if that came up for auction, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:51 | |
I would have thought £2,000 would be about right. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Not £800. £2,000! | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Right. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
Good gracious. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
Do you mind if I'm a bit rude? | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
We see a lot of jewellery like this brought in on the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Do you know what they are? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
-I don't, no. -All right, well, what they are, are colourless glass | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
clusters for the ears. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
-Right. -And in fact there they are, mounted up in their pad. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
-Yes. -So they're white glass, known as paste. -Right. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
In colourless paste borders, mounted up in white metal and these were | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
made in around about, what, 1900, 1910. They're copies of diamonds. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
Now what do you know about these pieces | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
here in the box all twisted up in this paper here? | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
-Shall I take them out? -Yes. -What do you know about that one? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
All I know is that they all belonged to my great grandmother. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
-Mm. -She was from Buxton. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
That's all I know, and it was passed through the family... | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
-So nothing was conveyed to you? -No, not at all, no. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
-This is just, this is the jewellery and it's yours. -That's right. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
So do you assume that that is the same as that, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
as far as the material is concerned? | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
-I would have thought so, yes. -Do you? Right. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
-Well, those are diamonds. -Right. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
OK. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
So those are paste, worth around about £10 or £15. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
-OK. -Those are diamonds and it's worth more than that. -Yes. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
The brooch itself was probably made in around about 1925-1930 | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
and it's Art Deco. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
It follows the clear defined design for Art Deco, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
geometric, linear, mounted in platinum. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Now if I get to grips with it, the diamonds themselves are, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
as I say, typically set, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
but the quality of the stones is incredible. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-Mmm. -They're practically pure white diamonds. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
The centre stone would weigh around about 1.50 carat, 1.60 carat. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
These weigh about a carat apiece, and you've got this | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
sprinkling of smaller stones within. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
In the twist of paper wrapping the box, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
-we've got this as well. -Yes. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
-What do you know about that? -I would have said diamonds. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Why? | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
Just the way they're glistening. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
-But nothing was told to you about what these were? -No. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
All right. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
-Those are diamonds. -Yes. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
And they're big stones. Those are diamonds and they're huge stones. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
-Yes. -Hmm. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Let me try and tell you what sort of weight of diamonds we have here. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
If I place it on the back of my hand, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
-first of all let me tell you about the history of it. -Mm-hm. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
It was made in around about, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
I suppose what, 1910-1915, this sort of period of belle epoque jewellery. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:44 | |
They sometimes called them negligee pendants and actually that means | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
a diamond or a gem with a bar and a bigger gem at the bottom. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
Mm-hm. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
But here, what they've done is | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
they've mounted three specimen diamonds | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
-and the top stone weighs around about 2 carats to 2.20 carats. -Right. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:04 | |
And the bottom stones individually weigh, I suppose, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
3.20 carat each. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Wow. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:14 | |
In other words, if you add up the total weight of diamonds here | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
-in this piece, in this screw of paper that you've got. -Yes, yes. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
-You've got the best part of ten carats... -Wow. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
..of diamonds in these three stones. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
That's incredible. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:31 | |
Now, the... | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
So obviously you've never had them valued. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
I think my mother had the necklace valued. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
-She did? -She did, yes. -OK, but never intimated to you what it might be? | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
She mentioned it, yes. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
-What did she say? -£3,000. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
£3,000. Well, that's a good price for a diamond pendant, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
but you do not buy ten carats of diamonds for £3,000 today. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
Wow. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
No, this diamond brooch is, by itself, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
in my opinion, worth, if you were selling it, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
something in the region of £7,000 or £8,000. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
-Gosh, wow. -Just for that one. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
Now you've got ten carats of diamonds, their cut is all matching | 0:42:09 | 0:42:15 | |
and they're reasonable clarity. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
Now if you were to say to me what does the market want at the moment? | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
-They all want diamonds, they're crying out for diamonds. -Right. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
Frankly, there's a shortage of diamonds on the market, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
and what's that doing? | 0:42:27 | 0:42:28 | |
It's pressing the price up and up, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
so your £3,000... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
I'm going to probably say something like £18,000-£22,000. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
Gosh, that's amazing. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
-It is really a very serious piece of diamond jewellery. -Right. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
What a spectacular thing to find, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
-I'm absolutely bowled over, fabulous. Thank you very much indeed, thank you. -Thank you. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
Hughenden's owner, Disraeli, had the right phrase for every occasion, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
he even had one that would suit the Roadshow | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
when he wrote, "The greatest good you can do for another is not just to share your riches, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
"but to reveal to him his own." Very true. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
We plan to return to Hughenden when we shall reveal the story that the house kept a secret for 60 years. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:17 | |
Until then, goodbye. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 |