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We've visited some stunning locations over the last 18 months, | 0:00:00 | 0:00:03 | |
but one that stood out particularly for me was Hertford College, Oxford, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
a place where I spent four very happy years as a student. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
We found enough wonderful finds there to have plenty for two shows, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
so tonight I bring you Hertford College take two. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Oxford's home to the Morris Minor, the four-minute mile and the oldest | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
English-speaking university in the world, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
and for me, it's a trip down memory lane. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
For four years I studied languages at Hertford College, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
which appeared as a hall of residence in the 13th century, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
along with Oxford's oldest colleges. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
Now there are 39, with 20,000 students, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
who have more libraries at their page-turning | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
fingertips than any other city in the UK, over a hundred. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
The most famous is the Bodleian, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
which stores around eight million books on 120 miles of shelving. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
Who could be in Oxford without | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
spending some time on the river? I used to love it. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
This was the scene that inspired Lewis Carroll's | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
Alice Through The Looking Glass. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
With views like this, small wonder that Oxford sparked the imagination | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
of many of its former students. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
They've written about the adventures of hobbits, Chronicles Of Narnia. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
They in turn spawned a movie and TV industry | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
from The Golden Compass and Harry Potter to James Bond and Brideshead Revisited, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
which was filmed at my old home, Hertford College, where I was a student | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
during the '80s and this quad and the rooms around it were the setting | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
and inspiration for the author, Hertford old boy Evelyn Waugh. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
Today the people of Oxford have made their way to here by | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
all sorts of cars, bikes, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
possibly boats, to join our slow and snaking trains to the experts. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
We welcome them all to the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
There's something worryingly odd about these dishes, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
and while I try and work out what it is, tell me where you got them from. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
These were bought recently at a car boot sale in Northumbria, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
and they were £5 each. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
Well, what do you think you bought? Have you any idea? | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
I'm not sure. They stood out because of their size and because of the colours in them, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
but I don't know much about them at all. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
What we have here are Delft dishes, and Delft dishes shouldn't look like this. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
It's the rims that are so extraordinary, and looking round, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
feeling the edge of this dish, there's barely a blemish on it. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
-It's not chipped and broken. -No. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Delft is a very soft pottery, made to look like the Chinese porcelain, but | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
copied in Holland, copied in England with a thick tin glaze. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
And that chips off and breaks very easily and so this should have chips | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
all the way round there, but it actually looks | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
-remarkably clean and new. -Yes. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
And so when you see these things at car boot sales, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
-the tendency is to assume they can't be that old. -No. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
But it's fine, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just survived in remarkably good condition. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:02 | |
This dish was made in London. It was made in about...1780s. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:08 | |
-Right, gosh. -So back in the 18th century. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
And it looks brand-new, doesn't it? It looks extraordinary. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
A pretend Chinaman, he's not really a Chinaman, he's a Lambeth Chinaman. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
That's where he was made, and he's sitting in a Chinese-style | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
landscape but painted in the bold colours of London Delft. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
This very bright red. And the use of the blue with these little scratched-in lines, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
such a typical feature, especially of the Lambeth Delft ware. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
-Yes. -So not just one for £5 but another one, also £5. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:40 | |
-Yes, also £5. -And another... | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
-Well, this is a little bit more convincing I suppose, because you've got one chip there. -Yes. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
-That's not bad, is it? -No, I think they're beautiful. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
I don't mind the chips at all, I think it adds a bit to them. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
It shows their age a little bit more. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:55 | |
That's a nice design, there's a bird flying there. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
A rather comical bird. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
The influence here is Chinese | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
porcelain from the early 18th century, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
and that's what this was imitating. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
This one, I say this one I don't think is a Lambeth one, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
-I think this looks more Bristol. -Bristol, right. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Delft was made in many places, and it's hard to say just where | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
but this is even older. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
-Oh, right. -This one is from 1740. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
-Oh, my gosh. -So. -I didn't realise at all. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
And you've got some lovely dishes for £5 each. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
I must find out where this boot sale is! | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
I mean, they're worth more than that. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
That one is worth £300...£400. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
Right, gosh, that's a good return, yes. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
And this one, older, even more, say £500, £600. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
Oh, that's brilliant. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
I'm really pleased. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
So keep hunting for more. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
Oh, I will do. Thank you. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
It strikes me that you could well be a collector of Art Deco bronzes. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
-Would I be right? -No, I'm afraid not, no. They came from my nan. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
She used to keep them in a cabinet and then when she died, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
my aunt had all the china and my mum just had these three figurines. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
-Did she? That could have been quite a wise move. -Oh, really? | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
But from...from the point of view of sculptor, let me just say | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
that from a hundred yards I recognise these as being by a man called Josef Lorenzl, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:29 | |
-and he was quite prolific. -Yes. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
And he did bronzes of all sizes. These are relatively small for Josef. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
I always refer to him as Legs Lorenzl because his girls have got such | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
fabulous long legs, but looking at them, they're pure sort of 1925. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:47 | |
When I say Art Deco, these | 0:06:47 | 0:06:48 | |
girls belong to that, an age of keeping fit above anything else. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
If you think about the Edwardian age, quite stuffy, and then the 1920s | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
arrived and everybody wants to keep young and beautiful, and | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
what I find endearing about Lorenzl, he's a good starter sculptor. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
In other words, he's not overly expensive, because Art Deco figurines | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-can fetch quite often huge amounts. -Yes. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
So, just looking at, say, this little figurine with a girl in the centre, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
there is a signature, but it's very, very small, and all it actually says | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
is L-O-R, because there wasn't enough room to put the rest on there. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
To be honest with you, you | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
really don't need a signature because his style is so distinctive. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
Value? OK, your small little figurine, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
she's going to be worth in the region of around about £300 to £400. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
Maybe a little bit more on a good day. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
This lady over here, who's a little bit larger, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
is going to be worth £400 to £600. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Oh, goodness, yes. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
And this girl over here who's obviously not shy, with her arms | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
raised in gay abandon, you might say, she's going to be worth in the region | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
-of £500 to £700. -Oh, goodness me. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Now I think it's safe to say, your mother almost certainly came off best | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
by leaving the crockery and taking these three ladies in Oxford. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
She did. Thank you. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
So what is this Oxfam walk business? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
Well, I was 16 years old. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
-Yeah. -A mere 40 years ago. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
You mustn't tell everybody. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
And went on the first charity walk | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
for Oxfam, and at the same time my father was | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
filming at Pinewood Studios, a film called Anne Of A Thousand Days. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
My father was director of photography on the film, Arthur Ibbotson. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
And he took my sponsor form in and he asked the technicians to fill | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
it in, and then lo and behold he came home with | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor having filled it in. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
There it is, Richard Burton. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:49 | |
And then further down, he also managed to persuade Richard Harris. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
Oh, is that Richard Harris? Good heavens! | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
So he sponsored me as well, and then | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
after the walk I had to go and collect this sponsor money and... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
-Burton and Liz owe Julie £28. -In the local Watford Observer. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
That was an awful lot of money really, wasn't it? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
It was. The total was about £140 in the end, a lot of money in those days. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
-Good heavens. -And then, yes, I went and got my money | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
from Mr Burton, who very kindly posed for a photograph and signed, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
"To Julie with best wishes, despite your blisters, Richard Burton." | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
Which were significant. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
I reckon that would sell for about between £150 and £200. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:31 | |
But I also found, in your collection, this, of the Beatles, signed. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:37 | |
Now, how did you get that? | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Well, my father's cameraman at the time was working on the Beatles film. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
-Yes. -I think it was A Hard Day's Night. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
We went to watch him filming at one of the London theatres, the Beatles actually performing, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
so we met them, my sister and I, and they very kindly signed a postcard. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
But I was much younger then, I was only about 12 or 13 then, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
and yes, we came away with... | 0:09:59 | 0:10:00 | |
So you actually saw them sign it? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Yes, and it was signed, "To Julie, love from the Beatles", | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
so I feel very honoured that it's actually personalised. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
I think that's splendid, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
and it's got to be somewhere in the region of £2,000. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
-Gosh. -That's better. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
Well, it's in our family so it's a bit of heritage from my dad. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
Twenty years ago, I worked for Minton in Stoke on Trent and at that point | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
I did a lot of work around their history, and therefore I know this | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
is a Minton figure, and although I've never seen that particular | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
model, I saw it in a pattern book and didn't actually know it existed. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
It was modelled by a chap called Richard Bradbury, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
probably in the 1930s, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
but clearly all this seems to relate to it. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
-Yes. -Help me, help me get there. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
My grandmother and grandfather worked for Minton. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
My grandfather used to do a lot of work for the bosses at Minton | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
and they knew he'd got a little girl of about three or four, and they needed a model. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
-Right. -And they asked if she would model for it, which she did, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
and she was given this suit and also the figure, for doing the modelling. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
-So this is your mother? -That's my mother, yes. -Good heavens. It's a wonderful story | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
because one sees the finished product often, I'm familiar with things like this, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
and it never occurs to you that there was a human start. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
I just think the modeller sits there, works away, does what he does. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
But to actually say, "Well, I need a four-year-old child, who's got one? | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
"That'll do, come here, get these clothes on, stand still and off I go," | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
I think that's wonderful. Has it been worn since? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
It's been worn by myself and also my three children. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
-Now do we have any evidence of that? -Yes. -There's a picture -of me, unfortunately. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
Unfortunately? You look wonderful. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
I was probably... A little bit older than her there. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
-So this is Butlins? -Yes. -So you were in the dressing-up competition? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
-Yes. -Did you win? -I can't remember. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
-You probably had the best costume of anybody there. -Well, probably. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
-The only professionally-made costume. You were that jester. -Yes. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
Right, I think it's a lovely story because it really fills out the background to how figures were made. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:06 | |
A figure like that by Bradbury is still going to be £250-£300. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
What's the costume worth? It's priceless - it's the whole story. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
-Yes, yes. -It just brings your family to life in a wonderful way. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
-Yes. -Thank you. -Thank you very much. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
So tell me, is this a family member? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
No, no, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
I saw it at an antiques | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
centre about three years ago and I just fell in love with him. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
He had such a lovely face. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
Your eyes met across a crowded room. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Yes, yes. His sort of friendly, laughing eyes. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
When you took him home, was he framed like this? | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
No. When we bought it, it did have a very narrow stainless-steel surround. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:52 | |
It was about an inch wide, but it just didn't do justice | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
to the painting at all so we had it reframed and then we noticed | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
that on the back there was a compliment slip. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
From Fort Dunlop, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
so I did a bit of investigation work on the internet and came up and | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
found that it was actually John Dunlop, who invented the tyres. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
-I was quite pleased really. -Absolutely. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
To find that there was, you know, he was somebody, not just a Victorian | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
old gentleman, as it had on the ticket in the antique centre. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:27 | |
Well, of course, John Dunlop invented, as you say, the pneumatic | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
tyre, which was patented in 1888, and is really, I suppose, one of | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
the most important people in the automotive industry. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
And he was obviously a very nice chap. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
-Yes. -And it's lovely to have a picture like this, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
and in retirement he went to Ireland. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
We know from a date point of view | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
that this was painted there, because by 1907 he was in Northern Ireland. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
But the artist's name is a chap called Lafayette. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Lafayette is actually the pseudonym | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
of an Irish artist called John Scott Lauder. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
So it is an Irish picture painted in Northern Ireland in his retirement | 0:14:06 | 0:14:12 | |
as a wealthy old man. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
I would imagine that a picture like this at auction, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
without being able to think of a great institution or | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
a big automotive company to sell it to, would make just | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
you know mid to high hundreds, so still a jolly good turn on your £80. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
-Yes, yes. -But I think if one could find an automotive institution that | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
would like a portrait of somebody as great as he was, I think you might | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
find it would make even more. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
Yes, well, we shan't be parting with him, I don't think. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
-I think he's quite happy with us. -Yeah, I'm sure he is. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
So you've been on the bottle, I see. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
-Mm, looks like it. -They're a little older than that. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-A little older than me. -Tell me how you got hold of them. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
They were given to me as a gift. I did some work for an antique dealer. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
I was a collector of bottles early in the days, and I bought from him | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
and he was very pleased with all the work. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
He said "Here's a very special present for you, look after them. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
"I think you'll find them quite valuable at the end of the day." | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
And I managed to get them out of the attic last night after 25 years. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
The wine bottle is a particular collecting area. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
It evokes wine history and the people who | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
collect them tend to be wine lovers, and these date from a similar period. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
You can date wine bottles quite easily through the progression of their shape. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
This cylinder shape came in in about 1780. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
It was one of the great breakthroughs in packaging history. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
You know, the Tetra Brik that we get our milk from. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
I mean that's an important breakthrough in packaging history. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
but this bottle has effectively remained the same. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
It's been stretched a little and it's the modern Bordeaux bottle. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
Go into any wine merchant and you'll | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
find bottles of this shape. What's amazing about it, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
that differentiated it from its predecessors | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
is that you could lay it down. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
-Right. -Every bottle before that, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
-you'd have to tilt it or stand it upright. -Right. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
Because it's a cylinder shape, you could lay down your wine, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
and that still remains with us today. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
-Yes. -So in a way, this is the perfect bottle. It's never | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
been bettered, and most of these date from the late 18th century. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
-There's one that's different. -Right. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
All of these are made in a dip mould. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
You dipped the glass into a mould, you blew | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
into a baked bean tin, a glorified baked bean tin, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
and you pulled it out and you've got your shape. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
At the top of this bottle, there is a slight ridge around there, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
-which is the top of the mould. -Yes. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
You can see it, it's plainly there. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
The one that's different here is this one. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
Now that has some lettering on it and it says "patent". | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Oh, really? Yes. I noticed that. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
And it says "Ricketts patent" and in 1821 Ricketts of Bristol, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
bottle works in Bristol, invented a machine | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
which got rid of the hand-made element of bottle making. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
-Yes. -That was the next breakthrough. So we had the most important bottle | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
in glass making - in wine history, really, here, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
bettered by this breakthrough here. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
The seals are interesting in that they link to owners. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
I've been told that some of these are Oxford college bottles. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
I can definitely say to you, they definitely are Oxford University, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
but I don't know which college. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
This boosts their value. You'd need an Oxford historian to tell you what they are. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
We're talking probably £100 each for them. The one that is actually | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
worth a bit more is the Ricketts one, because it is quite unusual to have | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
the full patent on the shoulder and beneath it, and so we're | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
-talking about £200 for that one. -Isn't it interesting? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
But what you've got here is a little time capsule in bottle-making history | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
-and as a bottle collector, you're on the button, it's great. -Well done, that's really nice. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
So this is the catalogue description of it. So the estimate was £400 to £500. Which price did you pay? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
Seven fifty. Was that too much? | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Well, we'll see. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
Now we know clearly what it is, anyway. A Dieppe ivory mirror. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Dieppe is a natural harbour on the north coast of France, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
not that far from Le Havre on the entrance to the Seine. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
So you've got all the ships coming from the French East Indies and the West Indies, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
all coming back towards Paris, bringing their wares in, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
and this school of carving started in Dieppe. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It is a fantastic part of social history of France, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
started carving in the 17th century. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
This very definitely is ivory. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Is it? I thought some of it might be bone. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
Well, you do see bone, and | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
rather unfortunately, historically, they did use human bone sometimes. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Oh, did they? Oh, right, yes. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
But the Dieppe School still | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
flourishes, and in the 19th century, I think this is when this was made. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
-So have you got the missing lion from here? -No, I've never had it. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
-Does he come out? -He does come out, usually. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
Stuck in, oh, right. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Well, I think that if I was keeping this, which you | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
clearly are, and treasuring it, I would get that remade. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I don't think it would be difficult to get done in Dieppe. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
-In Dieppe? Oh, right. -As far as I'm aware, it's still going, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
the school of carving there, for 300 years or more, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
and I'm pretty sure you can either send it, or why not take a boat trip? | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
-Why not? Yes, I'll do that. -And have a little holiday in Dieppe and see if you can get someone to do it. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
So you bought it in the '70s for that ringed price of £750? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
Yes. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
What would you pay for it today? | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
Well, I doubt I'd buy it today. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
-That's an interesting point. You don't like it? -Yes, I do like it, but it's just... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
It wouldn't be on my list of priorities. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
It wouldn't... OK. Well, if you sold it today, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
I think you would expect to sell it, at auction, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
for between about £2,000 and £2,500, something like that. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
-Yes, yes, that's very nice, isn't it? -With or without your lion. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
Yes, so I'll have the lion made just to complete the picture. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
-I think so, yeah. -Thank you very much. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
-It's a wacky piece of furniture... -Wacky, yes, yes, it's wacky. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
I've been given two items made by a rather interesting designer, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
so I'm off to see our ceramic experts, to see what they make of them. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
-Hello, you two. -Hello. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
-I've got two things for you to look at. -Oh, yes. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Now what do you make of these? | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Ooh, well, er, I like blue and white for a start-off. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
They're not very old. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
-I don't know what, what you know. -OK. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
-Oh, that. -That is. -Well, it's not. -Well, the shape is. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
The shape is, it's 17th century | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
-blanc de Chine from China. -Right, but what do you think about the... | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-The decoration is modern, he's imitating transfer printing. -Yeah. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:54 | |
-By hand painting. -But that shape... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Strange thing to do, bought-in blank. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
That shape is actually... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
I know that shape is in the Ashmolean, round the corner from here and it's... | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
-because Worcester used it. -Yeah. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
Worcester used it ...You're almost on the right track... | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
these are in fact done by an esteemed colleague of yours. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
-Ah, yes. -Really? -We don't have any esteemed colleagues. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
Ah, now you're talking about yourself! | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
I'm going to go and talk to him to find out a little bit more about them. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Gentlemen, thank you very much. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
It must be pretty daunting living with a hundred or so faces of | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
eminent Victorians looking down upon you every day. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Um, I've got used to it. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
-My mother couldn't stand it. -Could she not? -No, no. -So was it your mother's? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
No, it belonged to my grandfather, her father actually. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
How did he come by it? | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
He bought it for two and six when they were clearing out the Jockey Club, pre-war. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
Did he buy it because he liked it? | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
No, he actually bought it for the glass to make a cold frame with. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
He bought it for the glass, so where's the glass now? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
-I broke it on the way here, put my knee through it. -Nice timing. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
Let's talk about the image though, because it represents all the eminent members of the Jockey Club | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
and the date is written at the bottom, 1878. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
But it's not just faces of the members. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Around this roundel in the middle | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
are what look like genuine watercolours of scenes of racing... | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
-Have you had a good look at those? -Yes, yes. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
They're done in watercolour and gouache. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Watercolour being transparent, gouache being the rather more obvious whitey, flaky bits on top | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
and they're signed by John Sturges | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
who was a reasonably eminent horse painter, often illustrated | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
in the magazines of the day. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:37 | |
So you've got an amalgam here of art and photography. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
About this time photography was taking over, so in a sense it's | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
a rather poignant reminder of just where art was going, it's being pushed out on the edges. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:51 | |
But the interesting thing is that, although photography could capture | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
people and could photograph horses, art had yet to realise that horses | 0:22:55 | 0:23:01 | |
don't look like rocking horses when they ride like that, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
and it's an interesting sort of transitional point. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
Imagine how difficult it would have been for this photographer to have gone round, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
photographed all of these, worked out the head shots, worked out who to have in profile, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
worked out who are the key guys in the middle... | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
it was really quite a piece of craft, so, although photography | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
in some senses is seen as a lesser art form, this is a real virtuoso | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
example of the medium. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
So, he bought it for two and six. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
12½p. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
So what do you think it's worth now? | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
No idea whatsoever. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Well, I would be comfortable valuing it around about £3,000. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:46 | |
-More than 12½ p, isn't it? That's a good investment. -Good investment. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
Well, I take one look at this and there's only one continent you can possibly think of, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
and that's Africa and here we are just getting ready to, you know, do the recording, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
and I have to confess I've no idea what it's called, and then who should appear | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
-but this gentleman here. -Who I have no idea who he is, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
-but he's come to see this. -Roadshows can be a bit like that. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
Because he tells me... | 0:24:12 | 0:24:13 | |
you've seen it in Rhodesia. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
I was born and bred | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
in Rhodesia which is now Zimbabwe and that is the African mbira, M-B-I-R-A, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:26 | |
which is played with thumbs. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
-Aha. -To make music. -To make music. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
To make the sound, yes, the buttons are meant | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
to amplify the sound of the thumbs. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
And these, all these sections here are made out of flattened nails, aren't they? | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
That's right and the length of them is actually to give specific sounds. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:47 | |
Do you want me to...o sound it? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
Yeah, yeah, why not? | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
This is how it was played. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
Fantastic, thank you so much. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
You've informed, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
given me information because this was brought back 120 years ago. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
But so what exactly was the story? What's your connection with Africa? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:21 | |
Er, my father-in-law, because he, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
he prospected for gold there at the same time as Cecil Rhodes. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
And did their paths cross in any way? | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
Yes, yes, they walked together, camped, and my father-in-law | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
always carried a Bible, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
because nobody would ever read the Bible and he cut a hole in the Bible | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
and so his precious things were kept in there, inside. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
-So he wasn't necessarily a religious man? -No, no, no, no, no and he also kept his toothbrush in there, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:50 | |
which was only a piece of stick that he'd shredded the ends of, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
and on the campfire he used to put the stick, he said, round the soot | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
and clean his teeth, and his teeth were perfect white, beautiful teeth. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
And how does the bronze monkey fit into the picture then? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Well, he carried this on his back, now it doesn't look very big | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
and we thought it was bronze, but we're still not sure because it | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
weighs nearly a stone in weight, it really is very, very heavy. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
And it's my door stop to keep my kitchen door open. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
But it's a horrible looking thing, frightened my kids to death when they crawled, but, um, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
we want to know what it's made of because it's so heavy. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Well, I think what you normally associated with bronzes is | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
the European bronzes that you see, many of which are actually hollowed | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
out and so they're not as heavy as a solid lump of bronze like this would be. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
Do you have any idea what this meant to him? Why did he carry it with him? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Well, he said it came from King Solomon's Mines but he must have | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
thought a lot of it to carry it on his back, it's so heavy. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
This would be like having several bricks in your back pack. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
-Oh, definitely. -As you walk the length of the African continent. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
It must have had some huge significance for him. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
But I'm afraid to say that you know, its value is, is almost nothing, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
I mean it's worth probably, you know, maybe £100 but it's not... | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
it's not finely made, it's not beautiful to look at. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Oh, no, no, no, it's a hideous- looking brute but anyway it's... | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
We were hoping you were going to say it was gold, that's why I brought it, just in case, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
but if not, well, it'll still go on being my door stop in the kitchen. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
Yes, yes, well it's just completely baffling, isn't it? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
And then I suppose the mbira, what would the commercial value? | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
If you to buy something like this, and I don't suppose they're ever for sale | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
because the idea is you make them yourself? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
It's very difficult to put a price to it, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
because they were made traditionally | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
for entertainment. You never get these on the market. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
-No, I've never seen any. -This is very unusual here. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
And they stay within a family? | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
They stay within a family and there are people who are specialised in playing the mbira. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
Absolutely revealing on every count. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
-Exactly. -Thank you for bringing it in, and thank you for adding your tremendous knowledge | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
-to everything we've said. Thank you. Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
I can now reveal that the designer behind these pieces is none other than John Sandon. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
So, John, this is a bit of a surprise, how long have you been doing this? | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
All my life I think I've had an interest in porcelain, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
really inherited from my dad. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
When I was a schoolboy, Dad was the curator of the Royal Worcester Porcelain factory, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
and so I spent more time with him on the porcelain works than I did at school, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
learning how porcelain was made. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
I know for Henry, his big thing is Worcester | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
and you swang away from Worcester primarily into other interests as well? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
Yes, I left school at 16 to go into the world of fine art auctions | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
and so I've learnt a bit more than just Worcester, I discovered | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
there's wonderful porcelain made at Meissen and the Chinese and Italian and everywhere. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
Tell me about these, your influences and what brought you to this? | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
Well, these started me off when I was 12 years old. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
Dad found a little cupboard in the factory at Worcester containing | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
old moulds from the 1920s, and so I had a go at casting from those moulds. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
The potters at Worcester let me watch them work | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
and taught me about all the skills of porcelain potting, throwing, painting. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
That was an amazing education. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
It was great because they were such skilled men and women too, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
I would watch them work for hours, and they made it look so easy. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
When I tried it...I tried to cast this horse and he kept going wrong, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
I had ten attempts and they all split or fell apart in my hands, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
but then I got one right, just | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
the right thickness and it's now beautifully cast, I glazed it and | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
-I fired it and so to me, as a little boy, when it came out of the kiln... -Oh, must have been very exciting. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
-Yes, it got me hooked on porcelain. -What about these? These aren't things that you've done? | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
-No. -No, well they taught me interest in blue and white, because Dad loved | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
archaeology and he did excavations on the site of the old porcelain works | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
at Worcester in the 18th century, and I found these, I was 14 then, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
when I dug these two saucers up from the ground, and these are ones that | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
were made in 1770 at Worcester in that blue and white. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
This one is painted in blue with cobalt oxide, which is actually a | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
-black colour, painted straight onto the unglazed porcelain. -Beautiful. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
-You dug it up in this condition? -It went wrong in the making, got a chip on the rim, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
and so they threw it away in the grounds of the old factory. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
If it hadn't had that chip they'd have covered it in glaze, it would | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
have then been fired and would have come out like this one, which turns blue, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
the cobalt changes colour in the glaze, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
so finding these taught me how porcelain in blue and white was made. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
So this is what you've done, so tell me about... | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
David Battie was very impressed with this one... He thought this was a beautiful freehand here. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
So your inspirations for this? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
That's based on a pattern that was done at Worcester, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
who themselves were copying Chinese. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
I don't like to directly copy the Chinese or Worcester patterns... | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
I like to do my own slight variations, but on porcelain shapes made at Worcester, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
fired in the factory kilns to a very high temperature. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
So my part is doing the painting in blue, and it's sealed there for all time. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
And this lovely... | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
nasturtiums are they? What are they? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
-They're lotus. -Lotus, ah. -They were growing in the park in Hong Kong. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
I always like, whenever I'm travelling, I take a sketch book | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
and I do little sketches and then I work them out into porcelain designs afterwards. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
They're beautifully drawn. What do you do then? You keep them? Are going to sell them? | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
This is really a hobby at the moment. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
One day I think I'd like to have my own kiln and make porcelain | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
but at the moment I just enjoy doing it, and again, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
continuing to learn from it, how difficult it is to make porcelain. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
-It's always fascinating to find out what our experts do in their spare time, thank you. -Not at all. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
These are called comports. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
I don't know how much you know about these but they are strictly speaking, table decoration. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
-Yes, they're not epergnes then? -They're not epergnes. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
Epergnes tend to have lots of baskets hanging off them. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
-Oh, I see. -That goes on top of here, as you probably know. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
And then they're spread across the table. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
-You need a pretty impressive dining table... -That's right, yes. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
..to display all these. And I gather they were your grandfather's? | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
My great-grandfather, after he'd been Mayor of Reading for two years, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
-this was presented by his grateful fellow councillors. -He must have been a good mayor. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
Um, that's also... what you've got in your hand there... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
I had a quick peek at earlier... | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
is very rare to see... this is the original photograph from the manufacturers. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
-Yes. -And there's a mark down here. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
-Oh, yes. -Which is the mark, a silver mark for Barnard Brothers. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
-Yes, that's right. -Which appears on your comport. -Yes. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
So this must have been taken in the factory, as they left the factory, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
so in actual fact you have... | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
the story of these manufactured till now, you've kept them in the family all this time. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
-That's right, yes. -They're fantastic, they... | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
you've probably seen all the scenes, they're sort of | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
-pastoral scenes. -Pastoral scenes, yes. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
To make people feel more connected with the rural countryside, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
which they weren't, when these were made in 1870 and made people | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
feel a bit more at home if they could see... we've got a sheep... | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
-Yes. -..a little boy tending a sheep here, we've got another boy over | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
here who's looking after his turkey, a young goatherd girl. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
Yes, with her grapes. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
I gather that there is another one. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
There...yes, there is. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:12 | |
Four together | 0:33:14 | 0:33:15 | |
-make an awful lot of difference, it's more, much more valuable than two pairs. -Yes. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:21 | |
If you were to walk into a shop in the West End, which is the only place | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
you would be able to buy such grand-looking things, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
you would have to pay for the whole set of four, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
today about £35,000. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
Mm, of course they'll stay in the family. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
I couldn't give them away. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
Well, we're looking at perhaps one of the most iconic cartoon images of | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
the 20th century, Snow White. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:47 | |
Where did you get her? | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
Well, my great-uncle, Arthur Crooks Ripley. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
-What a name! -I know, it's a good name, pretty memorable. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
He bought it from the Leicester Galleries, in Leicester Square, London, at the time, in 1937. | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
-Yes. -And it was the celluloid used in the actual filming of Snow White. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
Right, because the film was actually released in America and in the | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
UK I believe, in that year. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
-Exactly. -'37-'38. -I'm sure it had a big profile as a sale | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
because it was the first time Walt Disney wanted to sell any of the art work from any of his films. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
And you can see that it is celluloid, and the colours | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
are put on, obviously on the back. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
This, of course, isn't actually by Walt Disney. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
He did the original design and he had a studio with hundreds | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
of people who would then do the celluloid and hand colour them all, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
and, of course, they must have needed tens of thousands of images | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
-to make a long cartoon. Now it's laid onto a natural wood veneer. -Yes. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
And obviously all these sort of scoring, circle, frame, the title, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
have all been done as part of the sort of presentation of the piece. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
Unusual thing to buy in the 1930s. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I should imagine so, he was a writer and a very keen amateur painter, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
and he had friends that were artists and I know that he collected a lot of art | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
and I would imagine he'd like going up to London and obviously the exhibition caught his eye | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
-and he thought it was something quite special. -Yes, yes. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
It's one of the few celluloids that are just Snow White on her own, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
we've got the original sale documents so you can see... | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
Let's have a look, let's have a look. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
I believe it's number 43. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Number 43, let's have a look... | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
-Oh, yes, oh, there's quite a lot you could buy. -Yes. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
There we are, 43, Snow White... | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
the grand price of two guineas. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
-Quite something. -Animals pulling Snow White | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
sixteen guineas, so that was an awful lot of money, isn't it? | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
Well, what's it worth? | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
There's a huge market in America for this sort of thing. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
If I was putting this in a sale, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
it would go in with an estimate of between three and five thousand pounds. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
-We'd easily achieve that. -Gosh, amazing. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
It's a very rare original item with the original purchase document... | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
you've got the lot. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:01 | |
-Just before, before 1912... -Yes. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
But I don't know exactly when, my in-laws set up home in Pangbourne and | 0:36:06 | 0:36:13 | |
they went to a house sale in Reading and they purchased the table | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
and four chairs that went with it, and sideboard and a sort of flat-top desk, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:24 | |
and I always understood that they paid £12 for it. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
For the whole lot? | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Yes, I've no doubt that that was all they had as well. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
And where are the chairs now? | 0:36:34 | 0:36:35 | |
Well, the desk and the sideboard went to a nephew of mine, the chairs were | 0:36:35 | 0:36:41 | |
perhaps a bit rickety and I burned them because they were... | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
You burned the chairs? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
They were the kitchen chairs and they were a bit rickety and... | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
What did you have to say about this? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
That happened in those days, didn't it, really? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
It's a good job you didn't burn the table. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
Yes, well, we had a use for the table. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
You had a use for the table. But no use for the chairs. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
And where does this table reside now? | 0:37:08 | 0:37:09 | |
Well, when my mother-in-law died in 1968, it came into my possession and | 0:37:09 | 0:37:15 | |
we've used it as the table ever since. They used it every day. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
-My mother-in-law cooked on it. -She cooked on the table. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
-She cooked on it. -Prepared on it. -And with a blanket on it, she did the ironing on it. We don't iron on it. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:30 | |
-We don't iron on it? -No, no, I don't prepare vegetables on it, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
but we use it obviously as our dining room table, it's used for mealtimes. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
This is quite pretty, this border, this is satin wood. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
Do you know what the main wood is? | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
-Any idea? -No. -The main wood is rosewood. -Oh, yes. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Even though you use it for your suppers and things like that, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
-it's really a breakfast table. -Oh, really? That's interesting. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
So this would have been in a breakfast room of a grand house. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
Around the edge, I like this ...like beadwork. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
-Yes. -And then it's repeated again on the central shaft. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
Now this is a good quality table because the central shaft is | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
actually solid rosewood, this is rose wood veneer, and then when we | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
get down to the base, that's again veneered, and then you've got these | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
highly decorative brass feet. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
Very, very pretty, very, very pretty. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
This table's made around about 1825, it's Regency. It's a tilt top | 0:38:25 | 0:38:31 | |
and so when the table wasn't being used, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
it would have been tilted up and then pushed to the side of the room | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
and so you can use the room for dancing and things like that. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
If, if you were going to buy this in a retail shop, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
all fully restored, you wouldn't get much change out of £15,000. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
How much? | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
This is a very nice table. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
So I'd love to have seen those chairs because they would have | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
been valuable as well. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
-They were chairs and... -Good job you didn't burn the table, wasn't it? -It was, wasn't it. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
We've got this lovely little card | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
and a beautiful pendant here and on the card it says, "With all my love to my dear wife, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
"God bless her and make her happy always, Vincko". | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
And then on the reverse it says, "With kind regards, Mr Vincent A Weeks"... Who was he? | 0:39:19 | 0:39:26 | |
He was my husband's grandfather and he married my husband's grandmother | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
in 1913 and I think that was a gift when they got married. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
What a lovely gift, but how bizarre that he's also put on there "with kind regards", | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
when it is a romantic gift and giving this beautiful necklace. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
-Yes, yes. -It's from the Art Nouveau period | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
which dates from 1890 to 1910. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
It's set with moonstones and made of gold, solid gold. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
Beautiful piece showing all the right qualities of an Art Nouveau piece of jewellery, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
it's extremely well made, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
its got lovely sinuous lines to it, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
beautiful natural elements as well in the floral motifs. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
-The moonstones I think are the most romantic stones because they have a lovely shimmer to them. -Mm, yes. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
Now when you look very closely at the piece, you can see that it | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
did have some enamel on it, and it's not signed, which is a real shame. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
This, because of having the enamel on as well, could have well been by | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
an extremely good maker, but without a signature and without | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
having more information, it's difficult to know. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
So, do you wear it? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
My daughter has it now and she wears it occasionally. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
Excellent. Well, if it came up to auction, despite the fact that it is | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
-missing the enamel work, it would fetch somewhere between £1,500 and £2,000. -Really? | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
-Well, that's very nice to know that. -Good, yes. -Thank you very much. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
It was a gift from a very old friend who I've known for many, many years | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
-and when I retired he gave it me as a present. -Oh, very nice. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
What it is, is Chinese provincial, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
and it was painted in underglazed blue | 0:41:02 | 0:41:07 | |
with this phoenix or ho-ho bird amongst rocks and foliage. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:14 | |
The glaze is very thick and in places has run into globules over it | 0:41:14 | 0:41:20 | |
and that's made the whole thing slightly fuzzy and undefined and | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
actually rather romantic. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
And I love the way they just concentrated in the middle here | 0:41:27 | 0:41:34 | |
and left all this blank. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
That's quite unusual | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
to see that and I think it works extremely well. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
The back we have got is covered in grit... | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
This is to stop it | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
sticking to the floor of the kiln, you dust the bottom of the kiln with | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
this, and put the dish on it, and what's happening is the heat has | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
actually blown it upwards and it's got stuck there. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
Unusual here we've got | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
these ribs, I've never seen that before as far as I can remember. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
Did you think it was very old? | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
I suspected it was old from the markings on the back because | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
it just looks an old item. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
You can't go on that. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
-You can't? -No, big trap that one. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
-So it's not old then? -Yes, it is. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
Oh, right. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:32 | |
It's just that you can't rely on it looking old. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
-OK. -Actually it's dating, I think, to the Jiajing period. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
-He reigned from, 1522 to 1566, so it's 450 years old. -Gracious. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:49 | |
-We've got a crack here. -Yeah, I have seen that. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
Which will affect the value, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
but it's a rarity, I mean it's a rarity and a lot of people would... | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
like you...love to have it, I think, and I think they would be happy to | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
pay somewhere between £1,500 and £2,500 for it. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:10 | |
-Lovely. -So it was a very nice gift. -It certainly was. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
-This is a message form dated 11th November 1918. -Yeah. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:26 | |
And it says, "Following from 5th Army begins. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:31 | |
"Hostilities will cease at 11 o'clock today, November 11th". | 0:43:31 | 0:43:37 | |
What an incredible message to have received! | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
Tell me all about it. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
It was taken down by my great-uncle, Sapper Leopold Jacobs, who was on the | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
Western Front and he'd been there for most of the First World War. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
-He was a signaller. -He wrote this down? | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
He wrote this down, yes. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
I wonder what his reaction was. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
I've been thinking about that... | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
I suspect it was not quite what we think it was, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
because for a month the German army had known the game was up, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
and the German army had been retreating, the British army had been | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
advancing, and I suspect that they knew that it was going to happen, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
and after all he'd been through in four years, I suspect his reaction | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
was, "OK, good, that just confirms what we all know anyway". | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
Well, that's quite incredible because you know something, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
I think if I'd written this down after all of the horrific carnage | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
that I'd seen of things that had happened over the previous three or | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
four years of the First World War, I think I would have gone, "Yes, it's | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
over, it's over finally!" but you don't think that's what happened? | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
-No, I think that's what we would think today. -Yes. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
And what we know about it, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
but what he knew was this was just the conclusion of what... | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
as I say... I think they knew anyway. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
Well, clearly he thought a lot of this bit of paper, this little brown | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
piece of paper, because it's framed, he framed this, I guess. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
Well, it was either he, or my father | 0:45:05 | 0:45:06 | |
who framed it, but it's been in the family ever since. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
Well, of course, it isn't a unique item even though your great-uncle | 0:45:10 | 0:45:15 | |
actually wrote this himself, that makes it unique to you, but there are other examples known. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
The Imperial War Museum has got a number of these, but if you bought this in a militaria | 0:45:20 | 0:45:26 | |
dealer's shop then I guess you'd be paying something like £300, £400 or | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
-maybe even £500, because it is an historic document. -Good gracious. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:35 | |
Oh, I hadn't expected that. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
Tom, you're six, aren't you? | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
-Yeah. -And you like watching the Antiques Roadshow. -Yes. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
-So do you watch it every Sunday night? -Yes. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
In your pyjamas after your bath? And what do you like about it? | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
That you can make things and... | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
-..and... -Make things you've seen on the programme? | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
-Yeah. -Oh, like what? -Like boxes and brooches. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
Once when I was about three, I made a brooch out of a glue top and | 0:46:00 | 0:46:06 | |
some silver foil. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
-Because you'd seen something like it on the Antiques Roadshow? -Yeah. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
Tell me about these candlesticks, you've brought these. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
-Yeah. -What do you know about them? -I know that my great-great-great- grandfather | 0:46:15 | 0:46:21 | |
found them in Clearwell Castle and then my great-great-great-great... | 0:46:21 | 0:46:28 | |
no, no, one great, took them to bed. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
-He used them. -Oh, used to walk along like this? -Mm. -With the candlesticks. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
-And do you ever do that at home? -Er, no. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
-No, might be a bit dangerous, mightn't it? They're beautiful, aren't they? -Mm. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
So you want to find out more about them? | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
-Mm. -Well, let's find someone who can tell you. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
Whilst we do have a bit of sunshine I think | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
really we could do with just a little bit more to show this | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
to its absolute best. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
I've only come across a couple of these in my time | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
and I've always debated where they're from and who made | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
them but I'm hoping you can shed a little bit of light on it for me, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
tell me, how did you come to own it? | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
Well, it came to me from my grandfather. I've always known | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
it because ever since I was tiny, it was in my grandfather's house. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:16 | |
He came to own it because he did some private work as an accountant and one | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
of his clients was not able to pay and he took this in lieu of payment. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:27 | |
I think what may not be immediately apparent to the viewer is quite how | 0:47:28 | 0:47:33 | |
this is made, because whilst we have what I can best describe as | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
a simulated rosewood frame, the interior of this is made up | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
of glass beads, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
and not just a few glass beads. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
-Just before I came I did some quick maths. -Yeah. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
I've done the surface area, then I've done a small square, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
beads per square and I reckon we're looking somewhere between 180,000 and 200,000 glass beads | 0:47:53 | 0:48:01 | |
just within this panelled screen. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
And I mean even now as the sun's coming out, it just sings. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
That's why I used to love it, because it sparkled. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
It does sparkle, it's the little girl in you, that's what it is. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:16 | |
This is classic sort of post-Edwardian, 1920s, round that early part of the 20th century. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:23 | |
As far as we... my father can remember... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
-it was at the end of the 1920s, early 1930s. -Oh, it's all adding up. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
I think this is a piece that would | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
attract interest all over the world, I think it's an international piece, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:36 | |
quite how you would then ship it all over the world is slightly worrying. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:41 | |
But I think when you find that right client, I actually have no | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
hesitation in saying that on a good day in the right sale, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
with other glass, with other | 0:48:48 | 0:48:49 | |
similar like items of this quality, I'd be very happy to put an auction | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
estimate of £3,000 to £5,000, £4,000 to £6,000... | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
-No problem. -Thank you very much. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
Aren't these delightful? | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
-They're superb. -Couple of frogs. -They're not frogs, they're toads. -Why are they toads? | 0:49:05 | 0:49:11 | |
-Because toads have got toes, frogs haven't. -Oh, right. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
Oh, well, I will stand corrected on that one, but what's their pedigree? | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
Well, my grandfather bought them at an auction sale | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
when I was a little girl and gave them to me as a present, so they've | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
been with me all my life. I can't remember how old, but very young. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
The actual age of them, you can see hallmarked there. A lot of muck in there. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:37 | |
It's a job to clean them with one arm. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
Well, I'll forgive you with your arm the way it is, but let's just have a look. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
Maker's mark we can just see there, that's Alexander Crichton, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
very good London maker, and date letter the "e" there, that's for 1880. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:54 | |
Wow! | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
So a bit of age to them. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
And there of course is where the pepper will come out. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
Have you ever had them valued? | 0:50:02 | 0:50:03 | |
Well, about 20 odd years ago, somebody offered me £25 for them, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:09 | |
but I refused because they were worth more to me as sentimental value. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
-Right, right, I think that was probably a wise decision. -Wow. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:18 | |
I think we're looking at about £2,000. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
What! | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
They're rare anyway but a pair is amazing. Don't croak. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
Wow, I would never ever have believed that, thank you very much. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:32 | |
So what's this? | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
Um, I'm told it's a theatre ticket. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
-Ah. -Yeah, it was a gift from a friend whose father collected coins, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
that was among the collection, I was finishing drama school | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
so appropriate gift, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
and I'm told it's an 18th-century theatre ticket. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
I don't know whether that's true. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
Well, I don't know, I'm no expert in theatre tickets but I think the 18th-century date's right. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:58 | |
-OK. -This lettering, the actual letter forms | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
are perfectly right for that period. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
Actually this shape | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
you'll find on | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
-Bullock, George Bullock's furniture of the early-19th century. -Right. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
So again I think that suggests that we're looking at a date | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
somewhere between perhaps 1795-1810 something like that. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
But I'm not sure that in the late-18th century we were calling | 0:51:21 | 0:51:28 | |
that bit of the theatre the "pit", it was the stalls. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
It would have been stalls by then, right. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
So we have to think | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
what other kind of pit might you have needed a ticket for, right? | 0:51:35 | 0:51:41 | |
-OK. -Cock fighting. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
Right. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:45 | |
And dog fighting. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
And I think that's what this is for... | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
it's a cock fighting, or a dog fighting, ticket. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
-So I'm afraid that your theatrical school was wasted. -But I could start a dog-fighting business. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
You could start a dog-fighting business. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
-Brilliant. -And I would use this to come and see you with it. -Fantastic. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
-Thank you. -Oh, I suppose we ought to put a price on it. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
-How much does one pay to get into a cock fight? -A cock fight. Oh, Lord knows. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:16 | |
I think somebody, a collector, would probably give you, um | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
£100 to £200 for that. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
Good Lord, well, thank you very much. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
This is a typical Victorian... | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
sometimes called a horse's-hoof box because it has that appearance. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
19th century, covered in this wonderful aquamarine blue velvet, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
slightly worn off the surface now, isn't it? | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
So whenever I see a box like this, the first thing I think is what is going to be within? | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
What is the content? And one would never be disappointed | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
when you open up a box lid like this, and there within you reveal... | 0:52:46 | 0:52:51 | |
that. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Let me know as much as you can tell me. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
Well, it's come down in my husband's family, his great-great... | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
no, his great-grandfather was a man called Peter Vriler who was given it | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
by Empress Elizabeth of Austria. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
He was... Peter Vriler was a Greek living on Corfu and he had a lovely old house which she wanted to buy. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:13 | |
After being pressurised to sell to her, he finally gave her the house | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
and the land, and after it was all completed, she sent this for his | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
wife, and to go down to the wife of the eldest son. My husband was the... | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
-Just like that. -Yes. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
It's a very complex piece of jewellery in many ways, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:35 | |
because the main body of the piece is this centre, oval centre, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:42 | |
but here we have the Empress's own diamond crown motif and then there's | 0:53:42 | 0:53:49 | |
a very complicated monogram underneath it studded with | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
diamond chips, but the main fabric of the piece, the main core of this, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
is this wonderful arrangement of big fat diamonds around the outside... | 0:53:58 | 0:54:05 | |
-Yes. -..each diamond weighing in the region of three quarters of a carat, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
each stone. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
-Yes, yes. -And then, as if to reinforce the fact that this is | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
a serious piece of jewellery, it's mounted on a mesh of gold | 0:54:17 | 0:54:24 | |
that is so sinuous in its articulation | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
and the condition is impeccable. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
Now what do we know about the Empress herself, known as Sissi | 0:54:31 | 0:54:36 | |
in her lifetime? A very interesting woman, wasn't she? | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
Yes, she was, um, she was a young, very young princess when she was | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
married off to Franz Joseph of Austria. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
I think it was... her elder sister was intended for his bride but he was taken by this young | 0:54:48 | 0:54:53 | |
girl who was quite wild, where he was much more conventional. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
Her high spirits could have even become a bit unbalanced | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
in later years and she took to sort of roaming round the Mediterranean to escape from the court life. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:04 | |
This nomad of going round, so doing things that an Empress | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
simply didn't do. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:09 | |
Going to visit Greece, going to Corfu, building a palace in the | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
middle of Corfu. An unhappy woman. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
Very unhappy. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
-Lonely, isolated. -Yes. Very beautiful. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
But her end was awful. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
She was walking along the promenade at the side of Lake Geneva | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
and a young man approached her and apparently took out a file | 0:55:28 | 0:55:34 | |
and shoved it | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
into her. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
And... because she was dressed in so many wonderful clothes, she didn't | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
actually realise at the time that she'd been stabbed, and calls out | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
"What is happening to me?" | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
and collapses and dies. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
So I think it's one of the most | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
tragic stories of European royalty in the 19th century. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:03 | |
All right, now coming back to the piece here, stylistically I think that the piece was probably | 0:56:03 | 0:56:10 | |
made in around about 1865-1870. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
And in typical fashion in the 19th century, you could also find | 0:56:14 | 0:56:20 | |
individual little fittings that would be housed, locked away, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:25 | |
under a velvet cover within the box itself, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:30 | |
so we have the feature that you can detach the centrepiece by means of | 0:56:30 | 0:56:35 | |
these little grips at the side, and | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
convert it to be worn as a brooch. Have you worn it as a brooch? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
No, I've only worn it as a pendant but never as a brooch. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
Well, look, there's the original pins, and there's the centrepiece, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
so typical practicality. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
-Yes. -You can break it up and make it into something else. Value... | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
Have you shown it someone at all? | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
I did have it valued for insurance by an auctioneers about | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
twelve years ago, I think... | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
about £5,000 they said, for insurance purposes. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
Not enough, not enough. £15,000 to £20,000. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:11 | |
-Right. -Got to be... | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
it's a great story, fabulous piece of jewellery. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
-Thank you. -Fabulous, thank you. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
It's been wonderful being back here at my old Oxford college... | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
though it never looked like this in my day. It's been a real treat for me personally, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:28 | |
but also for what has to be one of our youngest viewers, Tom, you're six. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
You brought along your candlesticks, our experts looked at them, so what were they worth in the end? | 0:57:31 | 0:57:37 | |
-They were £80. -£80 well that's not bad for a bit of pocket money. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
-So did you have a good day? -Yeah. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
Yeah, we all had a good day here, so from Hertford College in Oxford, | 0:57:42 | 0:57:46 | |
-bye, bye. -Bye, bye. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
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