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Welcome to St Andrews, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:04 | |
which sits at the edge of the North Sea on the east coast of Scotland. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
In medieval times, the shrine of St Andrews | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
was one of the most important places in the world for pilgrims. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
These days, pilgrims come here for very different reasons - | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
to play on famous golf courses, to attend Scotland's oldest university | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
or just to soak up the history that can be found all around the town. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow from beautiful St Andrews. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
Until the 15th century, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
if you lived in Scotland and wanted a serious education, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
you had to travel, sometimes to England and mainly to France, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
but when political and religious tensions erupted across Europe, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
it became too dangerous for Scots to travel abroad | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
to foreign universities. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
There was only one thing for it. The country needed its own university. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
And the ideal place was St Andrews which was, by then, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
a thriving cathedral city full of theologians and monks. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
Perfect to take on the task of educating Scottish students. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
With the Pope's blessing, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:55 | |
the university first opened its doors in 1410 | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
but it wasn't until a few years later | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
that Scotland's oldest university celebrated | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
with a service in the cathedral and bonfires in the streets. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
# Jesu Christe | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
# Jesu Christe... # | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Life for the students was monastic. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
Aged 13, they'd be up at five, mass at six, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
lessons at seven, all in Latin, all before breakfast, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
and then afterwards more lessons and more prayers, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
and they certainly weren't allowed to enjoy themselves. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
I mean, they weren't allowed out without permission. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
Very different from student life today. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
One tradition the students DO still enjoy here is Raisin Monday. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
For centuries, when freshers begin here at university, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
an older student took them under their wing to show them the ropes, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
and to show their gratitude, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
the freshers presented the senior student, | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
here in the cloisters, with a pound of raisins, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
which was once a very expensive treat. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
These days, more likely to be a bottle of wine. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
600 years on, the university has recently launched its celebrations | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
with a visit from a famous couple who met while studying here at St Andrews. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
Who could I possibly mean? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Of course, I'm referring to Prince William and Kate Middleton, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
now the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Following in those royal footsteps are our specialists, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
who are soaking up the surroundings of St Andrews' oldest college, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
St Salvator's. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:33 | |
If I was going to have a wee dram on a cold morning in St Andrews, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
this is certainly a nice, big piece to take it out of. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
I think you're right! | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
And where did you get this wonderful piece? | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Well, I retired in 1996 | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
and I was invited to take my office furniture with me. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
The centrepiece of my office | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
was a three-piece leather Chesterfield suite. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
I didn't need it but there was no point in leaving it behind | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
so I just took it away. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
Simultaneously, my stepdaughter had bought a little hotel in the country | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
and rummaging around in the attic one day she came across this whisky jar. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
Now, she had no use for the whisky jar | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
and I had no use for this suite, so we did a swap. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
There was a problem, however, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
because the cork seal, or gasket, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
had dried out over the years | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
and you couldn't get the top off. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
So, I filled a bath with hot, soapy water, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
and my wife was kind enough to pass this in to me | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
and I wrestled with it like... Rrr! And I got the top off it! | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
We then got it all cleaned out and washed out | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
and filled up with the finest Speyside malt. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
And are you a fan of the finest Speyside malt? | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Oh, I think so, yes! Everyone in St Andrews is a fan, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
or at least all my friends are. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
They certainly are! Well, it's a marvellous jar. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Obviously originally for a retailer, maybe a pub, maybe a shop somewhere. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
Yep. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Possibly made by... | 0:05:02 | 0:05:03 | |
I've seen some of these made by a company in Glasgow | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
-called John Baird & Son Glassmakers. -Right. -Not definitely but possibly. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
It's a wonderful shape and lovely little detailing here | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
-with the "Old Scotch" on it. -Yeah. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
And made in the late 19th century, so... | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
It would certainly take quite... Do you know how much it actually takes? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
No, I've never had enough money to fill it right up! | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
-It could certainly take quite a lot. -More than a case. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
-It would take more than a case. -Yep. -What does it taste like, dare I ask? | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
-Do you want a wee taste? -A wee dram? -A wee dram! | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
-Yous just help yourself, lassie. -Oh, right! | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Well, this is a first. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
Not that I would ever have a wee nip of whisky at this time in the morning, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
-but there you go. -Quite right. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Oh...! | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
Wonderful! | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
I'd be accused of advertising if I said what whisky it was, I suppose. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
I think you would... Oh, wow! That's...glorious. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
This is a lovely piece and I think if you came to sell this, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
it would go for £800 to £1,000. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Well, I'll no' be selling it, so it doesn't matter! | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
I'd be a social outcast in St Andrews | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
if that were to disappear from my dining room! | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
I understand this is a real Scottish heirloom? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Apparently. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
This, here, is what it's all about. Could you read that for me? | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
I'll have a go. "This China Dish was used by His Royal Highness, Prince Charles Edward, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
"as his Porridge Cup when halted in the house of the Reverend Alexander Keith | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
"from Inverness. After the disaster of Culloden it was obtained by his daughter, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
"afterwards Lady Naismyth, and left by him as an heirloom to the family." | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
Fantastic, so... Sorry, that was Charles Edward Stuart? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
-Bonnie Prince. -Bonnie Prince Charlie. -Yep. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Bonnie Prince Charlie. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
-We have this on a paper label on this bowl. -Mm-hm. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Can you tell a bit me more about how this came into your family? | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
It was Reverend Alexander Keith, my six-times great-grandfather, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
so it's come through the family line from there, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
through Lady Naismyth and then to our line. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
Ah. That's very, very good. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
-Now, Bonnie Prince Charlie. Culloden was, what, 1746? -Yeah. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
That's right. So after 1746, we're talking about. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
Let's have a little think about this story, let's look at the bowl. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
Japanese porcelain around about 1680, 1700, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
-so actually that could possibly tie up. -Yes. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
This sort of porcelain was made in Arita. It's Imari-decorated. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
And it was made for the great houses of Europe. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
It was made for the royal palaces and stately homes. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
So this is the sort of place that Bonnie Prince Charlie | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
might've gone to. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
I'm usually very suspicious of paper labels on objects. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
You see pieces of wood saying, "A piece of the true cross." | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
How many pairs of Queen Victoria's stockings have we seen | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
with labels saying that? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
This label, without you being able to verify that, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
-is more or less... -Take it with a pinch of salt. -Absolutely. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
But you can trace that back through the family | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
-and that counts for a great deal. -Right. -Very, important. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
-So don't lose it. -Absolutely. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
Well... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
From a commercial point of view it's quite...an interesting...one. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
If you take away the label and the provenance attached to this bowl, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
on the market it's maybe £150, £200, even though it's 300 years old. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
Yep, yep. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
If this can be backed up, this label... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
Right. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
If you all, through the family, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
can confirm that that is absolutely right, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
-it's going to be...ten times that. -Oh, right. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
-Maybe, it could be 2,000, maybe £3,000... -Gee, whiz! | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-..as a piece of Jacobite memorabilia. -Right. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
So, here we are looking at an old lady. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
-I don't know who she is. Who is she? -She's my four-times great-granny. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
-Four times? -Four times. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
And she's known in the family as Granny Melville | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
but she was Margaret Iles when she was born, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
and the name's been handed down and I'm the fourth one. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
You're the fourth Margaret Iles? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
-Yes, it misses a generation each time. -Oh, I see. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
-How many children did she have? -13 that we know of. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
She must have... | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
She must be the progenitor of most of the families round here then. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
That's what it says, progenitor of many families in Kirkcaldy - | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
the Beveridges, the Guthries | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
and I can't...the Williamsons - and I can't remember all the others. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
I picked this out because I thought it was just such a good portrait | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
of about 1860 I'd say. Would that be right for the date of the lady? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
She was born in 1778 and she died in 1874. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
She was 96 years and seven months when she died. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
-Crikey, she did terribly well. -She outlived her husband by 50-odd years. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Obviously she wasn't worn out! | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
I just thought it was such a good portrait, so psychological somehow, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
and it's caught a wonderful sense of humour, which she'd have needed | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
with 13 children, that's for sure, and incredible strength of character | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
and a twinkle in her eye. It's completely beguiling, isn't it? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
I love looking at it. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:06 | |
I'm afraid I don't know who it's by, which... | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
-That's what I really wanted to know. -Of course it is. But, you know, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
sometimes you can't know, it's just not possible. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
There are too many local people, you see, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
and they are all of them trained. At this time in the 1860s, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
there were plenty of people who could have done it. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
But a way of finding out - you need specialist local knowledge - | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
-is to write to the Scottish National Portrait Gallery... -Right. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
..and show them a photograph of it. There may be some local suspects | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
who could fit the bill and give you an idea at least. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
In market terms - worth about £1,000 to £2,000 at the very most. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:46 | |
-In personal terms... -She's priceless. -..incalculable. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
-Yes. -Thanks ever so. -Thank you. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Every week at the Antiques Roadshow we see countless objects that, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
to the untrained eye, can look almost identical. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
I mean, I often wonder why a teapot, for example, can be worth | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
a few pounds and then another teapot can be worth thousands of pounds. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
Well, to test my powers of observation and yours at home, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
our experts are setting us a challenge in this series, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
bringing along objects that perform an identical function, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
but have very different values. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
This week it's the turn of jewellery specialist Geoffrey Munn. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
He has brought along three cigarette cases. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Now have a look - one is a basic model worth £150 to £200. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
One is a better model - well, considerably better | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
because it's worth £7,000 to £8,000. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
And then the best one is worth, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
in my mind anyway, a staggering £100,000. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Now he'll be telling us a little bit later on, which it is, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
but, first of all, I'll ask our visitors to see if they can guess. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
Come on, guys, have a look. One of them is a hundred grand. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
So, what do you think? | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
You're all pointing at something different, that's no help at all! | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
The decision to admit women to the university in 1877 | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
was very controversial. It was thought by the men | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
that this was not a good...not a good move, to maintain standards. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
And indeed there was a protest by the students | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
and the members of College at the time, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
where they walked down to the pier. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
At the end of the pier, they hurled their academic caps into the sea. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
That's the reason why there are no degrees for men | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
at St Andrews that actually have an academic cap. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
It was also decided therefore, that women couldn't be... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
get the same degree as a man. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
-So they dreamed up this new scheme which was a lady's degree... -Yes. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
..LLA or Lady Literate in Arts. And it was given to them, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:58 | |
-they wore it on a sash, and this is an original sash. -Like this, yes. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
-They wore that and it was in the place of a gown or cap. -Excellent. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:08 | |
Where did you get them from? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Well, this one came from...I bought it in '84 soon after I arrived here. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
And that came from what you might describe as a junk shop | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
in Garbridge quite nearby, long since gone. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
-I think I paid £8 for it. -Right. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
-Well... -I thought it was desperately rare until about a week ago, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
when, on an internet site, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
-I found this. -Well I'm glad to say they are both silver, these, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
and for £8 I think your investment was rather good. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
From one side of the world, we go right across to | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
the other side of the world | 0:13:43 | 0:13:44 | |
because you've got a really lovely decorative silver goblet here, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
that, I think it's not too hard to see - | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
-with all these figures on the side - that it comes from China. -Mm-hm. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
It's got typical sort of really profuse figures | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
and foliage round the side, absolutely what you'd expect | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
from a piece of silver made in the last quarter of the 19th century. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Most importantly, if we turn it up and look at the bottom, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:15 | |
it's got the mark LC - that's for Leeching of Shanghai, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
prolific maker in the 1870s-1880s. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
So you've actually got a very nice piece of silver by a good maker. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
And if we start with the two badges, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
their value is almost certainly going to be | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
to someone in and around St Andrews. They could be worth hundreds, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:43 | |
it just depends who would want them, and how much they would want them, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
but they're certainly lovely things, rare things. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
The Chinese goblet though is rather a different matter. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
Can you remember what you paid for it? | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
-I think about £140. -140? -It was a lot of money in those days, to me. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
-That was. It's a lot of money to everyone. -Mm-hm. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
But not as much as it's worth now, because I would comfortably | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
say that's worth at least £2,000 now, probably more. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
-Good grief! -Yeah. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
They came into our family in 1939 through a great-aunt. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
Was she out in China? A missionary or something? | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
No, as far as I know, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
she was a nursing attendant to Reginald Johnston. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
-Who he? -He was in fact the tutor to the last emperor in China. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
-Ah, to Pu Yi. -Pu Yi, yes. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
-Now prior to that, we would need to go back to Yuan Shih-kai. -Yes. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
Who tried to reinstate dynastic rule in 1916. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:50 | |
Yeah, yeah, so the question is - are they made for the Emperor Pu Yi, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
or Yuan Shih-kai, or are they Republic? | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
Yuan Shih-kai gifted them to the Emperor, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
who, in turn, gifted them to Reginald Johnston | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
who took them back. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
That is the most fantastic pedigree, if we can prove it. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
-There is a slip of paper, yes. -A slip of paper? -Yes. -Perfect. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
That's just what we want, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
I mean - you know - that is as good as it could get, really. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
Yeah, poor Pu Yi - he was the last emperor and he ended his days, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:30 | |
after the Republic was declared, as a gardener, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
which he was for 60 or 70 years, something like that. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
There was that wonderful film | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
that was made of the sort of end of his time. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
My favourite bit was - actually, I'm not sure it came in the film, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
maybe it was in the book. Once he was banished, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
the Forbidden City was emptied and this retinue of the emperor - | 0:16:51 | 0:16:57 | |
ex-emperor - | 0:16:57 | 0:16:58 | |
and all the servants, the concubines, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
and wives - everybody came out in a file, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
and it took something like ten hours for them to all empty out | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
and in the middle were the eunuchs. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
Now, eunuchs actually controlled everything in China - | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
they were the administrators. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
And they came out weeping copiously because their livelihoods | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
were now gone, and holding a little jar in which was their testicles. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Maybe they were hoping they could be put back, I don't know. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
-And then he ended up in a garden. -That's right, yes. -As a gardener. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
-Yes. -And apparently was quite happy. -Yes. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
We're talking about a date in the early years of the 20th century, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
and this kind of painting that we've got on here is much more akin | 0:17:51 | 0:17:59 | |
to classical scroll painting than it is to ceramic painting. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
And this way of treating a tree with a black trunk and branches, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:10 | |
and little dots of colour for the leaves | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
or flowers, very characteristic of the period, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
as is this wash of green with the black on it. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
So I have no doubt that they date from that period. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
What one would like to find on the bottom is a Yuan Shih-kai mark. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
And we don't got - as the film says. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
Yes, we've got - that's "hall", that's "made for" - | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
so it's made for the hall of the "benevolent"... | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
And benevolence, yes. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
They made various changes to this mark, for different halls, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
but what's nice about it is it's brilliantly painted - | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
that is a really top-class mark. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
The handles are unusual, dragon handles. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
The emperor's symbol was a dragon. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Sadly we've got a lot of damage to the handles - | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
they've been off and stuck back again - but it's not a killer. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
The Chinese market, as you probably realise, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
has gone mad in the last two or three years. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:28 | |
They like very much porcelain which up to this point | 0:19:28 | 0:19:34 | |
we would not have rated. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
A few years ago, I would have put that in a sale... | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
those pair in a sale with the damage, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
£200 to £300 and they wouldn't have fetched any more than that - | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
that's all they would have made. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
And now, with fingers crossed, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
we could be looking at £20,000 to £30,000. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
But if they made more, I would not be in the least surprised. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
The bad hair, the maniacal grin, the knobbly knees, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
it could be me at the end of an Antiques Roadshow day, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
but in fact it is, of course, Dennis the Menace and his dog Gnasher. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
And I'm surrounded by Beano, Dandy, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Warlord, they're sort of icons, certainly these two are, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
from my childhood. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
Wonderful pieces of artwork. How did you get them? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
We were surveying a warehouse that we'd purchased in Dundee, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
formerly a DC Thomson's warehouse. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Now, we ought to say DC Thomson is perhaps THE best-known publisher, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
dealing with comics and still in business today, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
printing newspapers and so on. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
But Dundee is perhaps best known for DC Thomson and in fact I think | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
-in Dundee there is a statue, isn't there, of Desperate Dan? -Yes. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Striding down Dundee High Street. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
Yes, and in part of the warehouse there was an old boiler housing, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
obviously not used for decades. Black, no electricity, no lighting, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
so had the torches out, having a good root about to see what was in there. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
-As you do. -As you do. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
And there was some boarding over in the far corner, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
so these were facing the wall, so we couldn't actually see what they were, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
and then when we pulled them back, to reveal these, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
I thought, "They're fantastic." | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
Now, I hope I'm right in saying that | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
-DC Thomson are aware that you have these. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
A representative for them came along to the building. There was some other | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
artwork there and they actually destroyed it on the spot. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
-What, tore it up? -Tore it up. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
And we said, "And these?" They said, "No, they're old display boards, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
"we're not interested in retrieving those, you can have them." | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
-So you basically got sign-off. -Yeah. -Right, great. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
Well, I mean let's just talk a bit about these images. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
The Beano started in 1938, Dennis the Menace with his... What was it? | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
Not as fine a dog as yours here, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
but I think wasn't Gnasher an Abyssinian wire-haired tripe hound? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:10 | |
-OK. -Something like that, obviously not as purebred as your own. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
As far as dating the artwork is concerned, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
there are some clues, and that is that Dennis | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
didn't actually make it onto the front cover of Beano until 1974. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
With Dandy, Desperate Dan didn't make it to the front cover | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
of Dandy until about 1985. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
And as we know, Warlord didn't exist before 1974, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
it went out of business in 1986, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
so I would say that these are all dating from that '83-'84-'85 period. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
So that sort of nails the date. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
As far as value's concerned, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
I am sure that we're talking about | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
a couple of thousand pounds each, if not more. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
Typical things to sell on the internet, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
if you ever decided to part with them. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
But no, I mean, to me, it's brought back | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
a lot of memories, and thanks very much indeed | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
-for bringing them in. -Thank you. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:10 | |
# Dennis the Menace | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
# He's a bundle of dynamite | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
# Oh, the things he says and the things he does | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
# Will make you shake with fright... # | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
-What are you studying? -Maths. -Well, that's no use at all. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
# You'd better be on your toes... # | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
I think this one's the best. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
# Bound to be a calamity no matter where he goes... # | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
-If I get the 100,000 one right, do I get it? -Sadly, no. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
Nice try, though. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
# When he looks at you with those eyes of blue | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
# He'll steal you heart away... # | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
I think your bronze | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
might be described as something of a conversation piece, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
so I'm intrigued to know for how many generations | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
she's been causing a little bit of chat in your family. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
Well, my great-grandfather bought her, so I'm told, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:07 | |
and she's just always been in the family. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
In fact quite a few of the family possessions were used | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
-during the Great Depression to pay bills. -OK. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
So this is one of the few things that survived. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
So let's have a look at your lady | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
and I have to say that I find her totally fascinating and beguiling | 0:24:23 | 0:24:29 | |
because I've never seen a posture of... No, I didn't! | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
-Would you please? -LAUGHTER | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
I've never seen a posture of this type before. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
And so it comes under the heading of innovative, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
and then I look at the way that it's been worked. And I'm thinking | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
this has been made to go in a certain position, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
either in a library - | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
I mean it's got a more of a gentleman's feel to it. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
And I notice there's a signature round here - | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
if I can show it - down here. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:01 | |
And it says "Crenda". Now, I don't know who Crenda is - | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
I've got to put my hand up - but what I do know | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
is that he is a very credible sculptor, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
because I think that this just needs a sort of a waxing | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
and it'll be brought back to, you know, total life. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
-Does she have a name in your family? -My mother just said she was Psyche. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:26 | |
Psyche. So what price | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
a bronze which, date-wise, I would suggest | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
is probably around about 1895-1905? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:37 | |
But you know, if I wanted to buy your Psyche, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
well, I would say round about £1,500 to £2,000. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
-Oh, really? -So I think this is a treasure. -Thank you. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
She is to us and she'll always stay in the family. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Earlier on, our jewellery specialist, Geoffrey Munn, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
set us all a challenge. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
He brought along three cigarette cases, one a basic model | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
worth about £150 to £200, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
a better case, worth in the region of £7,000 to £8,000 | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
and then the best one, worth a whopping £100,000. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
Our visitors have all had a go at guessing, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
I think I could fair say guessing, so have I. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
Now, Geoffrey, I have to say, this was, so far for me, the hardest, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
because I'd absolutely no idea. Why cigarette cases? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Because that's not what I would have thought you would bring along. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Well, they're sort of an extension of jewellery in a way. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
It's a high form of dress | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
and there was a time when people | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
said they "wore" a cigarette case, because they'd go out to dinner | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
in white tie, fantastic studs, cuff links, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
so it was a status symbol at the highest possible level | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
and of course the craftsmanship lavished on it | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
was also marvellous, as you see here. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
-I mean, deeply unfashionable now... -Yes. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
..to have a cigarette case. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
When were they introduced? When did they become...? | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Well, when people stopped snuffing which was... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
Do you snuff? You stopped in time? | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
I've never... No, I have snuffed on a Roadshow once, horrendous! | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
Well, snuffing gave way to cigarettes and to smoking, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
and it's just another way of getting the nicotine. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Well, I decided, just to be contrary, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
because this LOOKS the most expensive, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
-I put it as basic because I thought you might be playing a trick. -Me?! | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
-Better - even though this is older. -Yes. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
Best because it's got an inscription that might add to its value. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
-But, to be honest, I've no idea. So, go on. -Help us? | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
What should we be looking for? | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
Well, in a funny way, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
it was a challenge for me to bring something to muddy the waters | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
and you might have assumed that that was the best, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
because it's a massive show | 0:27:43 | 0:27:44 | |
of gold and it's by Cartier which is one of the great firms. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
-I didn't spot that. -No, no, but anyway that doesn't matter. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
But it's evident and it's an extraordinarily chic object | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
and so you could easily be forgiven for thinking that that's best | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
and it's a great guess. And then better and why not? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
But the core of this one is silver | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
and it's been overlaid with nine-carat gold. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
So its intrinsic value and its status value isn't quite the same. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
The fact that both are engraved detracts from their value. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
-Oh. -Yes, because unless it's a very, very serious provenance, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
perhaps you don't really want to have somebody else's cigarette case | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
with a presentation inscription in it that doesn't refer to you. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
The most mysterious and the best one really is this one here. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
-So the one that I put as basic, is the best one? -Well, frankly, yes. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
-And everything else is wrong as well. -Oh, gosh! Right. OK. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
And so the trick has worked. I have beguiled you. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
-I've befuddled you in front of millions of people. -Great. -Great. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:46 | |
-I'm not at all embarrassed. -Yes. -No. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
All right. So, the basic one is which one, then? | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
The basic one is here, and the better one is there | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
and the best one is there. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
-Excellent, so all wrong. -A three-card trick. -OK. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
But it's a very specialist area | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
and these things are sought after for different reasons. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
So why is this the best one? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
I think, if angels were smoking, this would be their cigarette case. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
This is the most beautiful piece of goldsmith's work | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
you could ever hope to see. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:17 | |
It's so sophisticated. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
It's a complete swan song of goldsmiths' work. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
It comes from 1915 but what makes it so desirable | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
and so collectable is that it's made by the most famous goldsmith | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
ever to have lived, and it's by Carl Faberge. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
I should have known there'd be a Faberge. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
-You should have known. -Gosh. And where...? How can you tell? | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Well, tiny, tiny marks on the inside. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
The signatures are on the inside. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
-So that's the Faberge signature there. -Yes. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
And the purity of the gold. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:45 | |
And these here are tiny diamonds, are they? | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
Tiny rose diamonds set into platinum, just to help you find | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
the clasp for your Faberge cigarette case, when you are at a ball | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
-in St Petersburg, dancing. -As you do. -As you do. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
To walk out into the snow where your troika awaits you | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
to take you back to your palace with your box, like snow on the ground. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
I mean, that's what that's all about, it's poetry in goldsmith's work. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
Well, given that I thought £100,000 of Faberge cigarette case | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
was worth about 150 quid, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:15 | |
I won't be applying for an apprentice job | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
with Geoffrey any time soon. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
Oh, dear. Anyway, if you have a cigarette case at home | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
and want to know about how you can tell what it might be worth, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
find out a little bit more about it, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
why don't you look at our website? | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Whenever I see paintings by this particular artist, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
I feel I need my sunglasses on. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
Tretchikoff has always been imprinted in my mind | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
as the prints one sees in people's houses, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
certainly in the '50s and '60s - | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
because he became well-known through his prints. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
-Yes. -And here we have two original Tretchikoffs. How did you get those? | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
Um, I bought them off the internet. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
I've been collecting the prints for years, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
his most iconic print is The Green Lady. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Absolutely. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
And I've got Miss Wong, and I've got about over 50 original prints, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:19 | |
but I was really wanting an original. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
And just tell me, do you know the title of this one? | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
-Yes, it's Beyond Reality. -And how do you know that? | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
The gentleman I bought it off, I've got this catalogue. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
-You found the catalogue? -Yeah. -Could I have a look at it? -Yeah. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
And here we have, listed in this catalogue, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
number 13, Beyond Reality, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
and, interestingly enough, the exhibition was in Durban. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
As we know, he's a South African artist - actually a Russian artist. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
-That's right. -Tretchikoff, who, born in 1913, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
went to South Africa and became very well-known there. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
And the famous print of the lady that you saw, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
produced by Frost and Reed over here - and you often see it | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
in all the houses - and that's how artists become well known. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
-They paint a picture, but through prints... -Yes. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
It's a classic thing, you know, about Tretchikoff | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
-how he became so well known through his prints. -Yeah. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
And here we have two originals. So you bought them on the internet. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
-Yeah. -And what did you pay for them? | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
I paid about 3,500 for two of them, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
but I had to pay a further 1,000 to get that one restored. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
OK. This one is absolutely beautiful | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
and I think that that's worth £10,000 to £15,000. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
-That's fabulous. -Yeah. And it could make more. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
That one there, value on that | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
would be somewhere in the region of £4,000 to £6,000, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
-maybe £5,000 to £7,000. -That's good too. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
And I think it's extraordinary you bought them | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
off the internet for £3,500 for two, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
-because three years ago... -Yeah. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
..when you purchased these, these were making very good money, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
-so you did jolly well. -Yeah, that's smashing. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
Just popped out from work | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
for a brief minute and I've got something in my bag | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
that I wondered if it would be of any interest, not an antique? | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
-What have you got? -It is a programme from a fashion show - | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
the Don't Walk Fashion Show - that Kate Middleton appeared in | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
when Prince William was in the audience. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
-The transparent thing with her underwear on display? -Yes. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
-Let's see. -Her name's quite clearly mentioned. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
"Kate Middleton" - how fantastic. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
Don't Walk Fashion Show. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Because, of course, we have seen that image | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
and now the dress has sold for a lot of money, hasn't it? | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
-Mm. -It's been bought by a private collector. -It has. -So were you | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
-at the fashion show? -I was at the fashion show with my sister | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
-and we were near William when he was watching... -How exciting. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
..watching her coming down the catwalk. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
How extraordinary. And, of course, after the wedding and, you know, | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
so much in the news now, William and Kate, aren't they? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
You've got two copies of it, why's that? | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
The top copy is my own copy and the second copy, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
I believe, belongs to William himself. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
I collected it from the table he was sitting at, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
with his party, after they'd left. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
-So that was William's one? -This is William's copy. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
And it's got his thumbprint on it, just there. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
-I can't believe it. You just walked in here with this. -Mm. -Fantastic. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
I didn't think it was going be of any interest, really. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
Well, it is. It may be of value. I couldn't say but you need to see | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
-one of our experts. Great. -Good, thank you very much. Thank you. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
-It was very kindly given to me by an elderly aunt. -Really? Recently? | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
-Um, yes, a few months back. -And what's her back story with it? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
I mean, just to be given a piece of Moorcroft like this is one thing, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
-but what's the background? -If I'm honest, I don't know. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
Had you always admired it, or did it arrive in out of the blue? | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
More or less, yes. I'd never seen it before. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
I was delighted when I opened it. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
Wow. And was there any sign of sentiment about why it was given? | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
As a gift? Or was just time to move it on to a new owner? | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
Just time to move on, yeah. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
So takes pride of place in your home, I assume? | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
-No, in the spare bedroom out of the hands of small children. -Oh, really? | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
-Yeah. -How small? -Very small. -Oh, that small? OK. -Yes. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
Well, it's probably not a bad idea. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
This is Moorcroft quite clearly, but for me this is... | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
this is Moorcroft with just some added essence. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
I mean, Moorcroft laid his hands on every single piece that he made, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
every single piece that was decorated in the factory, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
because he was responsible for drawing the tracing paper designs | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
that would then be handed to the outliners. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
They would trace over them, onto the body of the pot to tube line, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
but they were following his line, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
they were following his designs. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
So for me, unlike many other pottery designers | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
who just handed their work away, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
there is an essence of William Moorcroft | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
in every single piece that he produced. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
-And he never relinquished that, you know. -OK. -He stuck with that. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
And this is him on a particularly good day, if you ask my opinion. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
Date-wise, we're somewhere between 1900 and 1905. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
It's that early period where he's found his feet, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
he's working for James Macintyre, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
he's been given this artistic freedom to just go for it, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
and, boy, hasn't he done it here? | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
A combination of wonderful shape, beautiful, sinuous handles | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
and a pattern that we call "freesia". | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
-Freesia, OK. -Absolutely. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
And not only that, it's freesia on a white ground. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
Now, Moorcroft - it is one of those names, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
it's known the length and breadth of the country - | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
we all know it. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:48 | |
But what a lot of people maybe don't realise | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
is quite what's happening to Moorcroft at the moment. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
And I am continually stunned on a daily, weekly, monthly basis | 0:36:54 | 0:37:00 | |
as I watch these pieces change hands from one person to another. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
There seems to be this never-ending admiration | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
and respect for a designer of this calibre. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
So that comes down to the point of, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
what would somebody exchange to take this away from you? | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
I sense it would have to be something serious, in fact | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
-I sense that you love this. -I do, although it's in a spare room, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
I do, I love the colour and the fact it's got the three handles. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
But, yeah, it is quite special. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:27 | |
Well, "special" is absolutely spot-on, perfect word. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
And special to me, means that if you had to go and replace this, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
and go to a specialist dealer, or somebody who really is | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
at the top of the game, and the top of the market with this, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
you're going to have to part with about £8,000. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
Well... | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
Now, there's a phrase that has emerged, I don't know why, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
over the last few years, which I am sure you've used, I've used, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
everybody here has used - you see it in every gift shop in Britain, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
-which is... -"Keep calm and carry on." | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
And so when I unroll this, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
no-one's going to be surprised at what they see. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
-No. -Because I'm sure everyone's got one somewhere in their office. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:16 | |
-You seem to have quite a few of them. -Yes, yes. -Why? | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
Well, I believe I acquired them | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
from my father who was in the Royal Observer Corps. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
I believe that's where my mum and dad actually met. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
The actual background to this famous message runs back to 1940. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:35 | |
The Germans are about to invade Britain and there was a real fear | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
that that was actually to happen, and everybody knows | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
if we hadn't won the Battle of Britain, they might have. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
-Yes, yes. -And every post office, every public body in Britain, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
was issued with posters like this and the orders were, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
the moment the Germans set foot in Britain, the posters go up. | 0:38:54 | 0:39:00 | |
So what the Government was telling the Great British nation | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
was, "Keep calm and carry on." | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Yes. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:07 | |
And, of course, September 1940, invasion off, posters useless - | 0:39:07 | 0:39:13 | |
-in the bin. -Yes. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
And that was the end of the story | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
and of course it was then forgotten about. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
Many, many years ago on a completely different Roadshow, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
a lady came who'd been a postmistress | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
in a village in a remote part of Britain, and she brought in a couple | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
which were the small size and she told me the story. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
She said that she had them ready, drawing pins in hand, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
and, of course, then nothing happened and in fact, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
at the end of that day, she gave me one of those. She said, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
-"I'm going to throw them away, so have one." -Crivvens. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
And so I did, and I took it home and thought nothing of it. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
This was years ago. Then I read an article in a paper which said that | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
this has become so famous because there are no originals, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
all the originals have been thrown away, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
there's only one or two surviving and they're...terribly rare. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
And I thought, "Well, that's a bit odd, I've got one on my wall!" | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
And, blow me, you've got one, two, three... How many have you got? | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
There's five there - these are the five best ones - | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
and approximately 15 in this pile, but I haven't counted them properly | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
because I'm scared of damaging them even more than... | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
I have to say, these are in very good condition. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
These ones, I can see they've had a harder life. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
So why did you come today? | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
Some months ago, last year, I believe, I was watching The One Show | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
when there was an article there about a bookshop | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
somewhere in England, Barter's Books, who had found a poster in the loft. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
And, of course, after watching that, I thought, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
"Well, I've got about 20 of those. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
I have had another assessment done of the posters but I was told | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
they're common as muck, they're worthless, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
and it made me almost think twice about coming today, but I thought, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
"No, I'll go for a second opinion from the respected..." | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
OK, I'll give you a second opinion. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Common as muck is, I have to say, completely untrue | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
but I think I read an article in a national newspaper which said, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
"There is only one known survivor." That is also completely untrue. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
So somewhere between those two stories we have the truth. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
The point is, rarity is very important. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
Everyone has forgotten, from the reproductions, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
that there actually was an original. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:28 | |
-Yes. -This is the original. This is as issued in 1940. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
Now, do you realise you're probably sitting on | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
the world's stock of original "Keep Calm And Carry On" posters? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
I had never thought of it like that. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
I knew they were originals but I never, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
never thought of it in worldly terms. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
-You have the monopoly. -Wow. Oh, wow. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
Gosh. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
I think if one of these came up for sale, it would fetch £1,000. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:03 | |
-For one? -For one. Because they're perceived to be so rare. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
How many have you got, 20 or so? | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
20, not all in as good condition as this. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
No. There's an interesting debate here. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
If you've only got one and it's worth £1,000, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
it's worth £1,000. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:22 | |
If you suddenly say, "Oh, but I've got 19 more," | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
is that another £19,000? | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
-Or does the price suddenly collapse? -Yes, I had thought of that. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
-Because all the under-bidders in the world can now have one. -Yes. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
Well, the answer is, we don't really know until we try. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
I think you have got a very rare and unusual item. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Potentially, I don't think you've got £20,000... | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
-No. -..because it doesn't work like that. -No. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
-But you've got several thousand pounds, possibly £10,000... -Gosh. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
..if there are enough in good condition. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
I've got another one at home. LAUGHTER | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
Keep calm and carry on - | 0:43:02 | 0:43:03 | |
that could be our motto at the Roadshow, because you never know | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
what'll turn up, what the weather's going to throw at us. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
Oh, in case you're wondering about those programmes | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
for the fashion show that Kate was at with her transparent dress, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Paul Atterbury had a look at those and thought probably about £500. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
So not bad, given the lady who brought them had popped in | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
for five minutes from the office. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
We've had a great day here at St Andrews. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Until next time, from all the Roadshow team, bye-bye. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 |