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Time and time again, Roadshow fans ask us the same thing - | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
"Whatever happened to those much talked about items? | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
"Did anyone get rich from their family heirloom?" | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
Well, do we have a story or two for you, including a jaw-dropping | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
discovery that's beaten every record in the programme's long history. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
Let's find out in this special episode of the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
From spooky Cawdor Castle in Scotland | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
right down to the shingle shores of Southsea, we've been on another | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
sweep of Britain in search of treasure over this last year. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
Well, I'm delighted. This is a proper mystery object. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
Right. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
I think you know what it might be for. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Yes, I think so. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
But - any ideas, any ideas? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Bowling ball. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
Bowling ball, not a bowling ball. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
Now I'm not entirely sure | 0:01:27 | 0:01:28 | |
whether we've ever done a tiara on the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:35 | |
You're looking around about £20,000. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
What?! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
£10,000. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
I think I need that brandy that I mentioned earlier on. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
This is a rat deterrent. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
Three to five thousand pounds. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
What? Oh, my God. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
You wouldn't get any change from £2,000. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
Oh, my! | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
Who's a lucky lady? | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
Well, if we just take the 500 | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
and we say an average of £200. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
OK, you'd better do the maths. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
That adds up to maybe £100,000. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Oh, my goodness. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
Well, they're great diamonds, they're great turquoises, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
it's a big, splendid look. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
What do I think that would fetch? | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
£25,000 to £30,000. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
Oh, my God, really? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
It's worth - I don't know - £4,000 to £6,000. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
Ooh, it's not. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
It's a good doorstop! | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
That's amazing, isn't it? It's ugly as well. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
And our journey ends here, in a place we could not have predicted. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
So often we find surprising stories behind the objects we show. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
Who could know that one of them would bring us to a royal palace? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
This is Hampton Court Palace. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
And we've been brought here because of this item. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Was furniture expert Christopher Payne right, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
in thinking that this chest, which we saw earlier this year | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
in the north of Scotland, was once owned by a Queen of England? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
This is one of the most extraordinary things I've ever seen. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
It has always been known in the family as the Queen Anne chest. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
I mean she was queen, let's say circa 1700, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
-so that's a long time ago. -Yes. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
300 years ago. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
Researchers here at Hampton Court Palace were watching that programme | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
and believe that the chest may have begun its life here, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
and possibly once belonged to a queen of England. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Can that really be right? We'll find out. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Also in this special edition, could this be the most valuable | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
object to be sold after appearing on the Roadshow? | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Now hold your breath, because one of those, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
some years ago, sold for £30,000 at auction. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
A standard Leica II has a black body, and I have to be quite | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
frank with you, I've never seen one with a gilded body like this. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
-Oh. -That's what makes this a particularly interesting camera. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
And we'll also find out how the prestigious Victoria and Albert | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
Museum just had to acquire this curious piece from the Roadshow. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
Well, when it comes to wacky objects, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
this definitely wins the prize. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
I think it is the strangest, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
most over-the-top glass that I have seen in a very long time. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Now, even I don't know the outcome of our first story. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
Remember the vicar's van Dyck? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
Father Jamie McCloud, who runs a religious retreat in Derbyshire. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
He brought along a painting to our show in Cirencester. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
And so where did you get it from? | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
I bought it originally in Nantwich. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
In an antique shop there, and knew nothing about it. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
And how much did you pay for it? | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
I spent 400 for it, and I bought it, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
not because of the picture as such, but I liked the frame. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
There was something about his ruffle, something about him telling a story. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
My work is in a Retreat House and we are an Ecumenical Community | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
and we have it hanging, it's hanging there, for people to see. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
I mean it says here, "Sir Anthony van Dyck" | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
-which obviously is a name to quicken the pulse. -Yes. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
As it happens, by coincidence, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
I was making a programme with our paintings expert, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Philip Mould, about van Dyck and have spent nothing but weeks | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
looking at van Dyck paintings and when I saw this, something about | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
the eyes, and the way you can almost see the bone under the nose here, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
it just looked similar to the kind of paintings I've been looking at. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
But clearly I am no paintings expert and no van Dyck expert, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
and that's why we need Philip Mould to look at it. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
Philip, meet Father Jamie. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
Hello. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
And Father Jamie brought this painting along. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
I thought there could be something in it, | 0:05:57 | 0:05:58 | |
but I want you to have a look at it. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
I've now had time to acquaint myself with it. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
At first this looks like an Old Master, it looks like a 17th century | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
picture, it looks like something that you might think of as van Dyck. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
As you get closer though, second glance, there are some muddy areas. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
I don't like the way the beard is done. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
There are certain aspects of the background | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
that look a bit sort of misty, not properly defined. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
And if we're looking for the work of van Dyck, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
it's all about clarity and lucidity. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
The third glance though is the most exciting, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
because as you move in to the features, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
look at that phenomenally bold highlight | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
just to the left of his eye, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
and look at the sort of bony anatomy, the confidence | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
with which the nose is done, and then as you work down, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
just have a look at those lips. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
It's done with shorthand, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
it's done with absolute certainty. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
But if this is to be by van Dyck, there's only one way of finding out, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
and this is the art world equivalent of excavation. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
The question is, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
are you prepared to commission a process of cleaning and restoration? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:24 | |
By which paint is radically removed, but later paint, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
to reveal what I hope could be an original work beneath. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:35 | |
And it's a harrowing experience, and you're going to need | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
-to keep the faith, if you don't mind me saying. -Yes. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
What do you think? | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
I think, yes, it would be a wonderful experience to go through that, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
and to see what happens. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
That was six months ago. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
Since then the painting has undergone extensive restoration | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
in the hands of specialist Simon Gillespie. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
The painstaking process involved the use of solvents to gradually | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
remove over-paint, added in the 18th century. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
It took the equivalent of three weeks' solid work | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
to finish the clean. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
Simon had to be careful not to remove any | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
of the original 17th century brush strokes, that would be so important | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
in identifying the original artist. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
As the restoration reached a critical moment, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Philip Mould decided to visit Simon in his studio to see how the process | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
of removing the over-paint and centuries of dirt was progressing. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
In Cirencester, we just had to guess, really, didn't we, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
that there was evidence to suggest | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
that there might be something exciting beneath. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
But what you have just done, what you have taken off, has really begun | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
to show that our instincts perhaps are right, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
that there is something brilliant beneath. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Something hidden and really vital and exciting. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
It is, it's a very exciting picture to be dealing with and revealing | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
what is coming up and so evidently, so obviously of top quality. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:06 | |
I'd be very interested to see what the experts are going to say. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
I'm really pleased that Father Jamie took the risk, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
because there is risk in restoration. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
I mean, just the process of taking off varnish and later paint | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
can sometimes damage the layer beneath. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
And there's also the danger that you can reveal an area that is damaged. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
The picture would be better off not having been cleaned! | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
But so far, the risk is paying off. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
What we've seen dramatically revealed today | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
are the strokes of a great hand. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Philip, there isn't much that you don't know about van Dyck | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
and you've nursed this painting through restoration, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
through cleaning, how's it looking? | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
-Well, shall we have a look? -Yes. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
Let us unveil it. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Wow, it's completely different. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
All the dark gloominess round here has vanished | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
and so now this is a preparatory sketch, is it? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
It's the beginning of a painting rather than the completed painting? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Yeah, it would seem to be a first idea by an artist. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
When you first saw the painting, you thought there was a chance | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
that it could be by van Dyck. Do you still think that now? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
Well, personally, I do. I mean, I've been following it through. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
I still think it is by the master, but as you know so well, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
we have to get the academic authority to say "yes" | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
before in market terms it properly becomes a van Dyck. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
And have you found anyone to look at it? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
We have found the national expert, the great scholar | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
on the subject of van Dyck and he has seen it and considered it. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
And? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
Well, at the risk of toying with your emotions, do you mind | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
if we wait for Father Jamie? | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
I really do mind, but I suspect I'm not going to win this argument. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
How frustrating. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
Father Jamie's coming along later, and if this painting really | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
is by van Dyck, it could be seriously valuable. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
And we've witnessed some jaw-dropping valuations | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
on this show, but, perhaps surprisingly, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
few people go on to sell their items. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
But recently we heard about a camera that first came along | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
to the Roadshow 12 years ago and it was finally coming up for sale. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
-I've had it about 45 years. -Yes. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
And I acquired it then and I used to use it in my younger days. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
Yes. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
But haven't used it for years and years, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
I just left it in the drawer. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
The story began back in Wales in 2001 when Mostyn, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
the owner of this camera, brought it in to show expert Marc Allum. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
It was a typically busy day, really. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
It was one of those kind of days that I didn't feel | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
was rather fateful, but suddenly this gentleman arrived at my table | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
and put this thing in front of me and I looked at it | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
and I could see that it was a crocodile case. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
I knew that it was going to be a camera. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
I wasn't quite sure what was going to come out, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
but when this camera did come out, then my whole world sort of changed. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Essentially, I was faced with something that | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
I kind of felt didn't really exist. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Leica made a camera called the Leica I in 1931 | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
and they produced very, very few, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
and in fact they were called the Luxus range. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
'I saw that it was a Leica, and not just an ordinary Leica,' | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
it was a Leica Luxus - a gold Leica. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
I looked at the serial number. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
88840 - now that to me | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
is a Leica II. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
That is 1932 for this particular model. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
'I used to carry round a list of Leica serial numbers' | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
so I looked it up, saw that it was a Leica II. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
In fact, I didn't know that they'd made a Leica II Luxus | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
and that's when it started to get really interesting. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
'I rang up an authority, basically, on cameras, and he was able | 0:12:48 | 0:12:54 | |
'to say to me, "This is one of only four that was ever made."' | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
Upon her father's death, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
his daughter, Sue, decided to get in touch with Marc. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
My father passed away in early 2012 and there was quite a lot | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
to sort out with the house etc. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
You know, we knew that he had the camera, and at that time we knew it | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
was valuable, but we didn't really appreciate how special it was. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
My father said if ever I should want to sell the camera | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
to contact Marc Allum. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
'Out of the blue came an e-mail from his daughter and I was able' | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
to give her impartial advice on where she might potentially | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
sell the camera, and in doing that she was able to make her own choice. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
This is potentially one of the most valuable items | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
to come to sale from the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Now, the camera is worth a huge amount of money | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
and it's like many areas of the market that have been fuelled | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
by the Eastern market and Eastern buyers, particularly the Chinese. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
Mostyn and myself, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
we had no idea what could possibly happen to the value. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
With the auction house estimating the camera could | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
sell for hundreds of thousands of pounds, it could break our | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
highest record for an object sold after appearing on the Roadshow. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
That's currently held by a painting by William Orpen that sold | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
five years ago for £300,000. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
I mean, it's history making as well as breaking other records too. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
That's the incredible, you know, thing about it. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
It's absolutely tremendous. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
I think it's terribly exciting and I'm sure my husband and my son, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
and probably my daughter, will be around the computer | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
with our dressing gowns on, looking at the auction and hoping, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
fingers crossed, that it goes well for everybody. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Of course, the anticipation is almost killing me. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
I've kept quiet about this for months and months, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
and, um, I'm obviously looking forward to the sale. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
I can't go to Hong Kong, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
but, of course, I'm going to watch it on the live feed. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
I feel as if Marc and I have been pen pals for the past five months | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
because I initially sent him an e-mail back in June. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
When his reply did come back, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
he was so friendly and willing to help | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
that I almost felt as if I'd already met him | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
and so it's going to be a great thrill to meet him. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
I feel as if we're pals in a way. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
The owner's daughter, Sue, felt she wanted to express her thanks | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
to Marc and arranged to meet him in London, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
where the camera was on show prior to its sale in November | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
in Hong Kong. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:27 | |
Hello, Sue. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
Hello. I'm going to give you a hug. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
I'm not going to shake hands after five months. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
No, it's really good to finally meet you. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
I know, exactly, oh, my goodness. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
And here she is, in all her majesty. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
I know, can you believe it? It looks absolutely beautiful. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Is she a she? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
Of course, of course. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Well, this is the culmination of it all, isn't it? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
Yes, it is. Indeed, it is. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
And I have to say it's been quite a long journey actually. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
So, it looks like we're both going to be watching this | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
-from different parts of the world. -Indeed. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
And, you know, I wish you every success with it. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
I really do. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
Thank you. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Lot number 1681. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:04 | |
A Leica Luxus number II, 1932, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
with its extraordinary original pretty box, and already | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
I seem to have three million Hong Kong dollars bid for it. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
Three million dollars to me. Three million two. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Three million five. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
Three million eight. Three million eight down here. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
3,800,000. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
Three million nine against that. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
3,900,000. Over here? | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
Four million dollars. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
What's yours on the main line, telephone bidder? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Yours in the room, sir, four million. Anyone going on? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
I'm going to sell it. Here we are. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
You're all quite sure. Your bid, sir, four million dollars. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
That is sold to you, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
thanks very much. Four million. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
Sue was watching the auction online at home in America, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
and I caught up with her after the auction at the end of our day. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
Susan, hi, it's Fiona Bruce. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Hi, nice to meet you. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
Very nice to meet you, since I haven't met you in person, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
to meet you, albeit over the internet, and congratulations. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Who would have known it would have ended like this? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
It's been tremendous and the help we've received from everybody, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
from Marc Allum on the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
has just been absolutely superb. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
And what did you think, as you saw the value creeping up? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
We were all kind of quite anxious. We didn't have any audio feed | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
and we didn't have any visual feed, so we were just watching the numbers | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
at the bottom of our screen, and then suddenly it's, what, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
over 350,000, so it's just staggering, really. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Yeah, 350,000, or, in your money, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
half a million dollars. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
Yes, that's right. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
So it's a heck of a result, isn't it? | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
Yes, I mean, it's quite staggering, I don't know many... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
many objects or whatever | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
that you could get that sort of return in 12 years. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
And now you've sold it, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
do you have any idea what you're going to do with the money? | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
Have you got any projects planned? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Um, well our youngest son is going off to college | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
and college here is really quite expensive, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
so I'm sure some of it will be used towards that. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
But, you know, we just intend to look after it | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
and make sure that it's a nice legacy for our children. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
And what do you think your father would have made of it all? | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
I think he would have been delighted. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
I mean, I'm just so thankful that I was able to, you know, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
fulfil his wish. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
So, still emotional, even now. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Yeah. He would have been delighted, I'm sure. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
I'm sure he would have been thrilled, as you say. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Susan, thank you so much, it's been so lovely to talk to you in person. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
And enjoy it, and thank you for letting us share the journey. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Oh, you're very welcome. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Thank you for all the help that the Antiques Roadshow has given | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
and Marc Allum too, it's been wonderful. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
What incredibly good news for Sue and her family. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
And, you know, that's not the only item that's recently gone on to sell | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
after first coming to light at a Roadshow. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
Remember this bamboo pot, once used by Chinese scholars | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
we first saw at our Chatham show early this year? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
Do you know what it is? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
No, that's exactly why I brought it today. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
But you have a penchant for brown pots. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
-I love wood. -OK, so, you like it because it's wood. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
-Yes. -Do you know what kind of wood it is? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
-No. -It's bamboo, and in Chinese it's called a bitong, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
and it's a brush pot. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
The owner was astonished by its value. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
It's nice. I suppose it's worth £6,000 to £8,000. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
I don't believe it. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
Well, it nearly went to the charity shop last week. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
Imagine how she felt when it went on to sell for a cool £20,000. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
We understand it went back to China. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
You've got a print here signed with some very celebrated initials. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
Yes. Of Durer, yes. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
-Albrecht Durer. -Yes. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
We were all agog when a print, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
brought into our Roadshow from Stowe, shown earlier this year, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
was valued for a considerable amount. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
And I have to say, from what I can see, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
this is an original Albrecht Durer print. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
-So it comes to value. -Yes. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
Well, I have to say, subject to just a few checks, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
-given that prints are a complex area... -Yes. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
..and Durer in particular, I think this could be worth | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-up to about £20,000. -That's really good news. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Was Philip Mould right? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
Well, his valuation was tested when that print by Durer, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
produced in the early 16th century, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
went on to sell for £19,000. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
We were delighted to be able to tell the owner, Mary, that after | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
she sold it, the print was taken to the other side of the world, to | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
an art gallery in New Zealand where it is now proudly on display. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
And if you've ever wondered what people spend their money on | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
after selling their objects, here's a great example. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
If this were a copy of the Kangxi period, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
then £2,500 is an extremely generous offer. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
-Oh, really. -Yeah. However, it is actually of the period it says, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
so it's probably worth between £5,000 and £10,000. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
The owner here, Iona, tells us that she's very happy | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
with the new car sitting on her drive. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Her vase sold for an impressive £22,000 | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
following its visit to the show. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
Iona now has what she calls "a nippy little number" | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
parked on her drive, all down to an old pot. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
Now, some objects arriving at a Roadshow defy even our experts. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
One mystery, which was recently solved, arose when our glass expert, | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
Andy McConnell, found an object at Chepstow Racecourse. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Well, when it comes to wacky objects, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
this definitely wins the prize. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
I think it is the strangest, most over-the-top glass that | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
I have seen in a very long time, I'm delighted to say. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
One of the things about the Roadshow, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
one of the great buzzes, really, one of the dangers, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
is, of course, you've never seen this stuff before. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
You open for business, as it were, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
and the owners turn up bearing their stuff, and, well, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
95% of it, you take in your stride, but there's always going | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
to be 5%, that, you know, leaves you scratching your head. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
And this one fell into this category. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
What you have is a hybrid, but they are a lamp. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
What you'd do is, you'd fill them, these two reservoirs, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
which are separated within, with lamp oil, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
and then you had tapers that were pushed in through the mouth. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
-They're obviously flexible - and down into the body here. -Yes. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
I was about one inch out of the gig | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
when I started having misgivings about my recording. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
I got home and I think, "Who's going to know about this?" | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Well, Reino Liefkes, senior curator of glass and ceramics | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
at the Victoria and Albert Museum, is a kind of glass mate. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
You know, we know each other, and he knows... And he's Dutch, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:23 | |
so he's European, you see, and his knowledge of Central European glass | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
is way in excess of mine, and he was the man I chose to defer to. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Yes, I was extremely excited when Andy rang, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
and they also sent me some footage, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
and he did that because he was a bit worried that he'd actually | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
maybe given it a wrong attribution. It's such a difficult object. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
In literature, they're invariably described as either an oil lamp, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
and that's actually what Andy thought on the Antiques Roadshow | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
that it might be, or it's a perfumed sprinkler. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
When we look at the object, I think neither of those theories | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
are really very strong. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
But he also added that the owner of the object might be | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
interested in actually donating the object to our museum, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
which was a very exciting prospect. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
The owner, John Desmond, was true to his word | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
and arranged for the piece to join the glass collection at the V&A, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
much to expert Andy McConnell's delight. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
I'll tell you what. See that? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
That's my hair standing on end. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
It really is, because, I mean, you know, how good does life get? | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
You know, to be able to... It's just the complete package. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
We have pleased owners, they're delighted where it is. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
We've got a pleased museum, the whole thing is the complete package. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
It just ends up where it should be. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
And I've played a role in it. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:43 | |
I think the object is unique as far as I know. It's not really... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
I don't know of any parallel of that period. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
I think if you look at the way it's made and the material, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
it's probably made in Bohemia, probably around 1700 to 1750. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:04 | |
Bohemia is in the Czech Republic and there's nothing from that period | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
which really compares to this very complex object. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
So that solved part of the mystery - | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
when it was made and where it was produced. But Reino recognised it | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
as an important object, a rare 18th century drinking vessel. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
Almost certainly is. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
It's a trick glass and so it's two bottles that will be filled up | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
with liquid and I think in this case it would be water and wine. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
Wine wasn't drunk straight in that time, so you actually want | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
to mix them to make it palatable, and so if you tip the glass | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
towards you, you can actually cover the two spouts, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
on the back of the two animals, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
with your thumbs and you can actually regulate the flow. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
And then that would be very exciting to do that today, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
for the first time in maybe 250 years. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
Andy recently went along to the Victoria and Albert Museum | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
to meet up with Reino and to play a vital part | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
in learning how this trick glass works. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
So, hello, Andy. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
-Hi. -Very nice to see you and at a very special occasion. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
I mean, we normally don't fill up our historic glasses | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
and actually try them out in this museum, but as we wanted | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
to do this from the start, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
to find out the proper function of this object, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
we're going to do this in a controlled environment. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
We also are so excited, because this is probably the first time since | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
250 years that this object is used correctly. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
And you're going to be the guinea pig. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
-So, how exciting is that? -Oh, I'm blessed. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
Oh, this is a perk of the job, to have the freedom | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
to make a complete idiot of yourself. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
It's not often you get this chance, so clearly what I'm going to try | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
and do is get the liquid up into the kind of schweinhund's mouths | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
and then into the plate and see how we go. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Ahh! | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
We would have made a mess of the Archduke's table, wouldn't we? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
But I think there could be an additional trick. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
I think if you tried to cover the both spouts with your thumbs | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
-then you actually might be able to control the liquid flow. -OK. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
So try that and see if it goes a bit more subtly. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Yes! | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
-There we go. -Here we go, let's try it like this. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
Let's just see it coming up. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
Oh, look! A gentle sip. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
-Another gentle sip. -Fantastic. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
I think it's a superior method, I have to admit it. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Well, it's so exciting to see it actually working, it's wonderful. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
-This makes a huge difference. -Oh, really? | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
-Having the fingers, it's like having a tap, it really is. -Oh, good. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
And it's clearly what the owner would have known, wouldn't he? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
The owner of the original would have practised this. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
He would have got it down to a fine art. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Absolutely, yes. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
And then passed it to his neighbour at dinner and said, "You have a go". | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
Absolutely, and they would have completely failed. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
And they would have... | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
Messed everything up. Fantastic. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
So, does the V&A have a laundry? | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
And if you want to see the trick glass, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
it will be on display in the Glass Gallery | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
at the Victoria and Albert Museum in London from New Year's Day onwards. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
Earlier, we saw that remarkable chest that was first seen | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
on the programme in Scotland by our furniture expert, Christopher Payne. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
It's thought to have started life here, at Hampton Court Palace. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
Christopher will be joining us in a moment to find out. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
It was bought by two spinster great aunts of my mother | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
and they, we think, bought it in about 1880 through a friend | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
who was a Quaker in Birmingham. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
It's always been known in the family as the Queen Anne chest. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Now, I have no idea whether it genuinely is or not, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
but I have known it all my life. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
I mean, she was Queen let's say circa 1700, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
-so that's a long time ago. -Yes. -300 years ago. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
It is the most extraordinary thing. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
I've never seen one. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
The next stage is to try and research this. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
Christopher, earlier on this year, you saw at Cawdor Castle | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
-a piece of furniture that you described as "the ultimate research project." -Yes. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
-Rachel, this is your chest, in a manner of speaking. -It is indeed. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
-And you've come all the way down from Scotland... -Yes. -..to Hampton Court Palace. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
-Potentially rather exciting. -It is indeed. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
I might finally find out the reality of it, so I'm very excited. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
And Christopher, what is it that you'd really like to know, then? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Well, I think the most important thing is, was it actually used or made for Queen Anne? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
I'm sure it must have been, but can we prove it? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
We know so little about her. We know that this was one of her palaces, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
Hampton Court, so she came here, she lived here, she went on the royal progress here. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
Was this trunk used for that purpose? | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
She's extraordinary. She was the last of the Stuart monarchs, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
had 17 children in 17 years, but none survived, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
so the end of the line. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
And we'd love to know more about this. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
Was it used for her on her royal progress? | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
There's questions just coming out all the time. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
Well, I think today you're going to find out, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
because we've arranged for Dr Olivia Fryman, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
of Historic Royal Palaces, to be here to meet you both. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
The chest is here, as well, and she's waiting for you | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
on the King's Staircase, no less, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
-which is that way. So, go and find out. -Let's go and have a look. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
Hello. So lovely to see you at Hampton Court. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
We're here in the King's Great Staircase, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
painted for William III, so it's a room that Queen Anne herself would have known. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
So, Rachel, you said you'd always known this as the Queen Anne chest | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
and I think absolutely we can associate this with Queen Anne. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
-That's wonderful news. -Anne reigned from 1702 to 1714. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
She was the last of a long line of Stuart monarchs | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
and Anne regularly travelled between her palaces. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
We know that she stayed here at Hampton Court. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
She also stayed at Kensington, St James's and Windsor. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
She also went on progresses where she would visit | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
the towns and cities, the provinces | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
or the households of noble courtiers. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
And on occasions like this, this kind of chest would have been used | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
to transport the Queen's possessions. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
Well, I can imagine it being manhandled, literally. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
These two big handles on the side being carried in by porters, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
dumped in the main hall possibly, and, you know, Queen Anne wanting | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
her night shift or gloves or something because she's cold, or changing garments. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
It's extraordinary. It would have been wheeled into this house somewhere, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
if not the Great Hall, perhaps. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
Absolutely. When the court moved, all of her belongings were packed up | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
and put on wagons and taken with her. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
So I've also been able to identify some potential makers | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
-for this piece. -Right. -At the national archives, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
we have all of the bills relating to the furniture that was provided | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
for the royal household and I think it's very likely that this piece | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
was made by one of the coffer makers to the great wardrobe. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Now, there are two coffer makers during Anne's reign, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Richard Peak and William Johnson. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
We know from their bills that they were providing | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
leather-covered furniture that was very similar to this piece. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
Now, I've brought one of Johnson's bills along to show you today. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
This one dates from 1713 and as you can see here, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Johnson is providing a large cabinet, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
a large trunk, and a trunk with drawers. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
And these are all covered in Russia leather | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
and garnished with gilt nails, the brass studs. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
So, in terms of their description, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
they're very, very similar to this piece. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
We know from the accounts that they were intended for storing | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
the Queen's body linen. So, her bed sheets, her pillowcases | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
and her undergarments. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
I've also been able to identify some other examples. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
This particular piece is perhaps the closest match we can find. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
This is now at Scotney Castle in Kent. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
So, in terms of the design, you can see here, the tulip design | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
in the brass studding which is very similar | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
and also the lock plate is very similar to the one in your piece. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
And on the top here, there's also "AR", | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
so we can certainly say that this one was also made | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
during the reign of Queen Anne. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
And is it right that one opens at the top and then has two drawers | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
-at the bottom? -Yes, absolutely. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
What we've not been able to find is an exact match for your piece. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
Yours has four drawers, whereas this one has two drawers | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
-and a trunk top. This seems to be the more typical arrangement. -Right. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
But in terms of the design and everything, of course, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
-very, very similar. -Yes. -I think it makes yours much rarer. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
I've just never heard or seen of one as a chest of drawers. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
It just is simply drawers. Yes, yes. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
So, Rachel, that's amazing. It's so exciting. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
You keep this in the hall or the landing somewhere? | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
-It lives on my landing, yes. -Doing nothing in particular? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
I mean, what was just a piece of household furniture, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
as far as we was concerned, one that I'd known all my life | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
and I loved, but nothing to me particularly considered to be | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
particularly special. I just wanted to know if there was a connection to Queen Anne | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
and I seem to have found out a great deal more than I expected. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
-And me. And I think it's come home, don't you? -Absolutely. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
It feels rather like it. I certainly never thought, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
when it went to the Roadshow 18 months ago, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
no way did I think that I was going to be, 18 months later, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
standing in Hampton Court with experts looking at it | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
and telling me so much about it. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
I just rather wish my mother was still alive to know that | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
because I think she'd have been thrilled as well. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Following filming, Rachel decided that she would like to leave | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
the chest at Hampton Court Palace | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
where further research by their team can now be undertaken. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
And that chest isn't the only object we've learnt more about | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
following its appearance on the Antiques Roadshow this year. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
So, what do you know about HM Young? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
-HM Young was in the Dam Busters. -Exactly. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
This oar, apparently from the 1938 Boat Race, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
appeared at our show in Stowe recently. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
The theory being that it was owned by a man who famously went on to play | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
a vital role in the Dam Busters raid in World War II. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
Henry Melville Young, born 1915. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
He was recruited to join 617, the Dam Busters' Squadron. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
He was one of the crack pilots brought in, with his crew, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
to join that elite squadron to do that very particular thing. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
And in May, 1943, they all set off on Operation Chastise, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
-which, of course, was the famous dams raid. -Yes. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
Well, sharp-eyed viewers contacted us after the broadcast | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
to point out that the oar, which had been found in a skip, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
looked remarkably similar to a prop | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
featured in the 1955 Dam Busters film. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
But even though it's not the original, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
it still has value as a piece of movie memorabilia. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
It's 50 years since the notorious Great Train Robbery | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
and this Monopoly board was brought into our show | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
with a remarkable link to the event. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
It's a very important board because it forms part of history. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
-In 1963, a Royal Mail train was held up in Buckinghamshire. -Indeed. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:26 | |
£2.5 million was stolen and the train robbers went to a farmhouse | 0:36:26 | 0:36:32 | |
and whilst they were there, to bide their time away, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
they played Monopoly and this is the actual Monopoly board | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
of the Great Train Robbery. Well, it's reputed that | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
-they actually played with real money as opposed to Monopoly money. -Right. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
-But eventually, they discovered where they'd been hiding out... -Yes. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:51 | |
..so they had to make a quick get away. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
I understand that somebody was paid a great deal of money | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
to rid the farmhouse of evidence, | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
and the man took the money, but he didn't get rid of the evidence. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
The money which we have on display was also treated for fingerprints, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:10 | |
and on this particular one here, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
we've got fingerprints from one of the train robbers. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
Ken, who looks after the board on behalf of the Thames Valley Police Museum, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
tells us that after the Roadshow, they were offered | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
thousands of pounds for the game, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
offers they've refused, especially after seeing the queues | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
that lined up to see it when they put it on show after its TV appearance. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
That piece has the honour of being | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
the most infamous object we've screened. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Meanwhile, at our Chatham show, Hilary Kay met a man who was | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
inspired by a very different historical event. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
Well, here we are in the County of Kent. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
I didn't know what I'd see today, but I wasn't expecting to see | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
a copy of the Bayeux Tapestry. How long is it? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
It's approximately 40 ft. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:55 | |
Presumably, you went to Bayeux where you were completely inspired | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
-and got home and got out your needle and thread. -No. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
-Oh. So, what happened? -Sorry to disappoint you! | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I've never been to Bayeux. I've never seen the original. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
I started it about 17 years ago, but I've actually done | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
probably the best part of 14 years, a couple of hours every day. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
This replica of the Bayeux Tapestry created by a visitor, Andy, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
caused quite a stir after appearing on the show. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
He's had offers to display it in exhibitions across the UK | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
and was even invited out to the Bayeux Tapestry Museum in Normandy | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
where he tells us he enjoyed comparing it to the original. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
And finally, our programme from Newstead Abbey, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
which is looked after by Nottingham City Council, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
saw this rare medal arrive, won by a racing pigeon called Cologne | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
that had played a valuable role in World War II. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
Since showing the item, the owner, Sarah, tells us | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
she's received new information from family members | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
who recall the brave bird returning from his mission | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
exhausted and wounded. Dramatically, they had to perform | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
an operation to remove shrapnel from his chest. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Cologne was my grandfather's pigeon. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
My grandfather was the pigeon service officer | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
during the Second World War for the East Midlands | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
and he was in charge of the pigeons that went up on the bombers | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
during the war. Cologne had been on over 100 sorties | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
and he was on a flight in June, 1943, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
and the plane crashed over Cologne, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
hence why the pigeon was named Cologne. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
The plane and the crew were lost, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
but Cologne managed to arrive back at my grandfather's house | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
a fortnight later, very badly injured | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
with his breast bone completely broken | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
and the feathers had started to grow over it | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
and he was awarded the Dickin Medal, the animals' VC, for his bravery. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:52 | |
After appearing on the Roadshow, Sarah and her brother were invited | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
to attend the Remembrance Day commemorations. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
There, they marched past the Cenotaph, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
proudly holding Cologne's medal | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
as part of the tributes to animals in war. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Next year marks the anniversary of the outbreak of the First World War. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
You may recall our appeal for your family stories | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
connected to those years between 1914 and 1918. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
We received over 3,000 responses | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
and earlier this year, we selected a small group of visitors | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
to join us at the Somme battlefields in Northern France | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
to record a special programme which will be shown next year. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
Here's a flavour of that visit. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
The name Edith Cavell resonates | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
and for what reason? | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
She was a British nurse in Belgium | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
during the time of the First World War who was executed by the Germans | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
-and your grandmother worked alongside her. -She did. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
-Edith Cavell knowingly broke some of the rules. -Yes. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
But, as she said, patriotism is not enough | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
-and she paid the ultimate price for that. -She did. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
We're looking at Alec here. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
-Now, this is his father grieving for his son... -Yeah. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
..painting him as he saw him... | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
-Oh, yes. There's a lot of feeling in that. -..having been through that loss, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
every brush stroke, thinking about that lost son. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
Well, this is a tin whistle | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
and it's perfectly ordinary except that it tells a story | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
and the story it tells is of Joe. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
And this is Joe, our Joe, Joseph Thomas Clucas, a corporal | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
in the Royal Field Artillery, 57th Ammunition Column, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
who joined as a boy soldier, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
joined the Territorial Army, at the age of 14... | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
..and was enlisted at the start of the war, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
as many Territorials were, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:56 | |
was killed at Passchendaele on 21st October, 1917. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
But between the start of the war, through to 1917, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
this whistle, at some point, saved his life | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
because the trace of the bullet that hit it when he was wearing it | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
is still in the whistle. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
And while it's worthless, while it means nothing to anybody else, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
to our family, it's priceless | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
because it tells the story of a time in our history | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
when boys like Joe gave everything they had for us, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
so it's precious to us. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
We've got a picture of three chaps here. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
-I'm guessing he's one of them. -Yes, that's my -dad. Yeah? | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
-That's his brother, Tom. -Aye. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
Presumably this was taken before he joined up? | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
-Yes. Tom got killed at the Somme. -Sorry to hear that. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
-Now, this is a picture of your dad with his medal. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
He was thin when he came home cos he was a stocky man. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
-Yes. We can see his medal there. -That's right, yeah. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
-Where's that? -Oh, it's in the family. -Good. -Oh, yes. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
-You haven't brought it today? -No. -That's very wise because safety... | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
As you haven't got the medal with you, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
we thought that you might like that. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
Oh, wow. Oh, thank you. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
-We've had his name put on the back of it as well. -Oh! | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
And I hope that you will display that | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
with that cracking good picture | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
and that will become a bit of an heirloom. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
-Oh, thank you so much. -It's our pleasure. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
There's another reason why we've brought you here today, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
to this particular place. You talked about the men in the photo here | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
-and your father and also your Uncle Tom... -Yes. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
..and he fought here at the Somme and he died here at the Somme. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
This is his cemetery... | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
-..and this is where he's buried. -Is it? Oh! | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
So I wondered if you'd like to come and see his grave. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
Look. Here he is. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
-That's a lovely thing to see, that, isn't it? -It is. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
And the first of two special programmes will be shown | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
in the spring of next year. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
Perhaps the biggest reaction we've had to any war-related pieces | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
was to the heartbreaking story of newlywed Teddy Burrell, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
who kept the truth about his role in the Second World War from his wife | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
to keep her from worrying. Rather than working as ground crew, | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
he'd actually enlisted as an air gunner, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
going out on dangerous bombing raids. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
Teddy's plane was shot down, killing all the crew in 1942. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
He left his wife, Maisie, a letter to be sent in the event of his death | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
and only then did his true contribution to the war | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
come to light, in a tender confession that was recounted | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
in our Remembrance Special | 0:45:04 | 0:45:05 | |
when Hilary Kaye met Maisie's granddaughter, Rachel. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
"When you read this letter, one of two things would probably happened. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
"Either I shall be home, off operations, or I shall be missing. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
"That is why I want to write this letter, dearest. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
"Understand, darling, I was to fly over Germany of a night | 0:45:22 | 0:45:27 | |
"and also sometimes of a day. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
"It was the one thing you dreaded, wasn't it? | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
"That was the reason I didn't tell you. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
"I hadn't the heart, darling, I love you too much. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
"At the moment, there are only two months to go before our baby | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
"comes into this world. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
"If you do happen to get this letter in unhappy circumstances... | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
"..which I pray to God you won't, remember, darling, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
"unhappy moments often turn into happy ones." | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
That single letter prompted so many people to get in touch with us | 0:45:59 | 0:46:04 | |
to tell us how moved they were by Teddy's story. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
And it made Rachel curious to know more. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
A few months ago I met her at the Exeter Roadshow, where | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
she was clutching a box full of letters that she's recently found. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
Look at all these letters. Rachel, we've met before, haven't we, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
-at our Remembrance programme just a few years back. -Yes. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
Since then, all these letters have emerged, also written by Teddy. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:28 | |
Tell me about them. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
Well, I didn't know anything of them, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
and my Auntie Jill went to help my Nan Maisie, to sort some | 0:46:32 | 0:46:37 | |
things out and suddenly came to visit me with this box of letters | 0:46:37 | 0:46:42 | |
saying, "This is your inheritance", sort of thing, this is for you. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
And since then I've been trying to look through them | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
and finding out what they were about, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
but they're basically love letters, and he wrote every day. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
-Every day? -Yes. -To Maisie. -Yes. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
Now there's a letter here you wanted us to have a look at. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
Now tell me about this one. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
Well, that seems to be the last letter he wrote, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
the day before he was shot down. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
So it was posted I think the day that he... | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
-10th May 1942. -He died on the 11th. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
-This was the day before he died. -Yes. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
"My dearest beloved Maisie, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
"thank you so much for your letter, darling. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
"I was getting a bit worried at not hearing from you, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
"but your letter arrived today, and my worries are over. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
"I meant to write to you last night, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
"but was very busy 'doing my duty to my country'. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
"It was a wonderful leave, wasn't it, dearest? | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
"I didn't want to come back here. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
"I'd like to come home and stay for good. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
"We'd be wonderfully happy in our own little home. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
"It's hellish coming back here. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:48 | |
"I miss you so very, very much, darling." | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
-Oh, and then he's put, "I'd go crazy without you." -I know. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Gosh! "I miss Valerie, too." | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
Oh, my goodness me. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
I think also the fact that he was so young, he was just 21, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
-he had a three-week-old baby. -Yes. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
-Obviously adored Maisie. -Yes, definitely, yes. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
-And that was it, and the day after he wrote this letter, he was killed. -He was killed. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
-They're also a testament to what happened to so many people. -Exactly. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
And so many families and relationships and passions, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:23 | |
you know, that were just irrevocably torn apart by the war. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
And then Maisie, and then Valerie - your mum - you know, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
-had to live and pick up the pieces. -Yes. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
We began this look back on what's proved to be an historic | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
year for the Antiques Roadshow with an update on the portrait | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
brought along to our show in Cirencester by Father Jamie MacLeod. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
Now he's about to arrive any moment | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
here at Hampton Court Palace to find out the answer to his | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
all-important question - | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
is his painting by the great master, van Dyck? | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
Philip Mould, who's overseen the restoration process, is here, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
and Philip, looking at this now, it strikes me that the painting that | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
Father Jamie first bought and fell in love with, was very different | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
to this, so there's a chance he might not like it so much now. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
I think you're right. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
It is definitely different, in fact, two thirds of the picture | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
has pretty well disappeared, but let's not forget that with | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
these highly sensitive sketches, often less is more. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
If it is by van Dyck, what are we talking in value terms? | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
A sketch of this startling impact - if it is by van Dyck - | 0:49:26 | 0:49:31 | |
is worth three, perhaps four hundred thousand pounds. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
Wow! | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
So that would make this the most valuable painting | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
ever to come on the Roadshow. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
'As Father Jamie makes his way to join us, | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
'we can only guess how he'll react to the news about his painting.' | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
-Hi, Father Jamie, how are you doing? -Quite well, thank you. -Very good to see you. -And you. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
Your painting is under here. It has now been cleaned and restored and you've not seen it, have you? | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
-I haven't yet, no. -Do you want to see it? -Please... | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
-Wow! -What do you think? | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
-Absolutely beautiful, isn't it? -It's very different. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
It is, completely different, yes, made a very nice job of it. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
I was slightly worried you might not like it so much now, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
-because it's so different from the painting that you bought. -It is very different, yes. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
You look a little bit shocked. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:32 | |
Yes, I think it's completely different, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
it's something which is, you know, you remember how it was and | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
then there is the period when you've not seen it for such a long time | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
that you miss it in a way and it's something that which, you know, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
you don't realise how much you actually love the portrait itself. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:54 | |
It's a very, very special portrait. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:55 | |
The character of it tells you something about him, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
-which in a sense is a mystery. -That mystery is about to be revealed, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
because Philip has been doing a lot of work on this painting. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
I have a theory about this picture. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
Now, in 1634, van Dyck did a huge painting, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
it was called The Magistrates Of Brussels, it was a group | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
portrait, but tragically 60 years later it was destroyed | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
and it is only known - it's only recorded through a few sketches. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:22 | |
In fact, I have one of them here in my hand - this is from | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
the Ashmolean Museum - and this is, I think, rather similar to yours. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:30 | |
If you notice the background, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
we've got the same red ground coming through, giving it a warm appearance. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
How the complexion is handled. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
-Mmm. -That rather choppy, fresh, red and pink look. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
Mmm. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
Now, the other thing that survives, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
apart from, in fact, three of these sketches, is the first idea, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:52 | |
the preparatory thought by van Dyck, for this picture. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
This is the plan, as it were, as to how it would turn out. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
And if you cast your eye along this composition you will see | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
a figure in the right hand corner. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
Do you think there's a possibility, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
looking at that, that it could be the same man? | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
Yes, I think, you know, looking at him, there is | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
the similarity of the ruffle and, of course, you know, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
looking at the angle it's been taken. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
So, through these art historical scraps, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
we've put together an argument and we've presented it to | 0:52:25 | 0:52:30 | |
Christopher Brown, who is the Director of the Ashmolean Museum, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
the museum indeed that has two of these sketches. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
And he's also the national expert on van Dyck and we asked him | 0:52:37 | 0:52:45 | |
whether he was prepared to be quoted - one way or another - saying | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
whether this was a work by the great master. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Well, come on Philip, what did he say? | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
Well, Jamie, I'm delighted to be able to tell you that you | 0:52:55 | 0:53:01 | |
do have a work by Sir Anthony van Dyck. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
And a really interesting one, in as much that it relates to this great | 0:53:06 | 0:53:12 | |
lost picture that was destroyed in the 1690s, and you have... Your | 0:53:12 | 0:53:19 | |
sketch joins another two, together with this preparatory work, which are | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
testament to this epic painting that is sadly no longer with us. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
So, what do you think? | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
You are the owner of a van Dyck. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
I'm just completely shocked, yes, it's just a... | 0:53:33 | 0:53:38 | |
-A van Dyck! -It's just amazing, isn't it? | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
It's, you know, if only he could speak, he'd be jumping up for joy. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:47 | |
I remember you told me that if you were to sell this painting, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
you wanted to buy some new bells for your chapel. Is that still the plan? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
Yes, it is still the plan. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
Um, I would like this country to be able to commemorate the 100th | 0:53:56 | 0:54:01 | |
anniversary of the First World War, and I think that, as a nation, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
we owe that to the people who gave their lives for the world today. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
So, Philip, it's so exciting. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
Now that we know this is by the great master, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
will Father Jamie be able to afford his bells? | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
I don't know, Jamie, what the going price for bells is, these days. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
But I can tell you that this will almost certainly assist you. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
It's a wonderfully intimate sketch by the great master. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
The value of this painting is £300,000 to £400,000. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
Gosh, amazing. Very good. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
You just look - you look a bit shocked by it all. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
Yes, I think I am shocked. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
It's... I remember, Philip, you said that it was going to be | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
a very harrowing experience, and I think it has, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
and this last few weeks has been rather stressful to say the least. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:04 | |
And not knowing or, you know, the years it's hung on the wall, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:10 | |
looking at it, thinking - who are you? | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
And the very first time it fell off the wall | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
and smashed up my CD player, it was, you know, was it meant to be? | 0:55:16 | 0:55:24 | |
And, you know, it's just so wonderful, you know, to remember how | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
it was and, you know, that it's been restored and equally as nice. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
And can I just say, Jamie, it was harrowing for us as well. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
I mean, this three or four months of watching it change, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
and not only change but largely disappear in the process. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
I mean, two thirds of this painting has simply gone onto | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
swabs of cotton wool. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
And to see it now, in this radically different way, | 0:55:52 | 0:55:56 | |
well, it's amongst the very few examples I can think of, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
of a picture changing quite so much. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
-Your painting. -Yes. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
Well, if it does sell for the price that Philip's talking about, it | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
will be the most valuable painting ever to have come on the Roadshow. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
Can we follow this journey now, with this painting, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
-where it goes from here? -Be delighted to. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
How exciting! | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
I hope you've enjoyed this special episode of the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
And who knows, it could happen to you. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
So, dust down those treasures and join us in 2014. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
Here are all the different places we'll be visiting, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
and we'll be ready to meet you | 0:56:31 | 0:56:32 | |
And, by the way, if you enjoyed the story of our van Dyck discovery, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
join Philip Mould and me for a new series of Fake Or Fortune, | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
starting on Sunday January 19th. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
In the meantime, on behalf of all our team, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
may I wish you a happy and prosperous New Year. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 |