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Welcome to a brand-new series of the Antiques Roadshow,

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marking an incredible 35 years on British television.

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And today we've come to a residence literally fit for a queen -

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the Queen's royal residence in Northern Ireland -

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Hillsborough Castle.

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This handsome Georgian country house was built

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by the First Earl of Hillsborough in 1788.

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In 1925, shortly after the partition of Ireland, it was

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bought by the British Government and became the official residence

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of the Governor of Northern Ireland, as well as the royal family.

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Since then, they've regularly used Hillsborough as their personal

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and ceremonial base in Northern Ireland.

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When we were making preparations for this programme, we found out

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that a very special visit was being arranged for the same week.

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Her Majesty the Queen visited Hillsborough Castle, attending the

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annual garden party as part of her official visit to Northern Ireland.

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She's stayed here regularly since her first visit in 1945.

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And before she left, Her Majesty and Prince Philip chose to

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drop in to see us as we were preparing for the Antiques Roadshow.

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After a private conversation with our experts,

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it was time for the royal party to leave,

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for the next part of the visit to Northern Ireland.

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Well, that was certainly an honour for the Roadshow

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and what a great way to kick off our brand-new series.

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We'll find out a little bit more about what our royal visitors

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had to say later in the programme.

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But now it's time to welcome our other guests -

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the people of Northern Ireland,

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many of whom are taking this chance to see Hillsborough Castle -

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now under the care of Historic Royal Palaces.

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It's a perfect - if slightly wet - backdrop

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as our team get ready to find more treasures.

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So a great piece of jewellery by Hattie Carnegie.

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What attracted you to it?

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I just loved it, as soon as I saw it.

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I walked around the vintage fair and I came back and I was like,

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"I have to get that". It just blew me away.

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If those were diamonds...

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-Yeah.

-..we'd be talking...

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-Really?

-..20,000, 30,000.

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-Yeah, yeah.

-But of course, they're not diamonds.

-Yeah.

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Hattie was born in Vienna in Austria, went to the States

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in 1900 and seemingly she had a very difficult Austrian name, so she said

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to somebody on the boat, "So who's the wealthiest man in America?"

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and they said, "Andrew Carnegie" so she said,

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-"Right, I'll be Hattie Carnegie from now on."

-Yes.

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And she was very successful.

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She set up a shop in 1909 and by 1929,

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-she had an annual turnover of 3.5 million.

-Wow!

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Very successful. She died in the late '50s.

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-It's actually just a little bit later than that...

-OK.

-..when the company was still going,

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so it's from the '60s.

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It's costume jewellery and just between you and me -

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not telling anyone else - what did you pay for it?

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£130.

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-You paid £130 for bits of glass and metal.

-I didn't care.

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-You didn't care.

-I didn't tell my husband, I didn't tell him.

-Oh, he'll never know. No, he'll never know!

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So you paid - because you just loved it.

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-I did, yeah.

-Your heart ruled your head.

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Yes, indeed, yes.

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Well, it's worth between 400 and 500.

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Thank you so much! Really? Wow!

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I've two daughters and I don't know what I'm going to do with it.

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Oh, there's going to be a fight.

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Now at first glance, it would appear that I'm about to

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launch into a valuation on a wicker basket,

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but let's be honest...

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It's quite old, actually.

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It is quite old but the contents are far more exciting.

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And I think it's worth revealing

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exactly what we're talking about here.

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Produced from that little basket is a super stylish girl.

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But tell me, where did she come from?

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She came from London in the 1930s.

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And who acquired her?

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My father-in-law, whom I never knew, and he was a tea merchant in the

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City of London and I think during his lunch hour and spare time he

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used to potter out around galleries and antique shops and there

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were quite a lot of little things he bought, all that were portable,

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more or less, and brought home, and that's where she came from.

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So he was a connoisseur of means.

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Yes, not great means, but probably things like that were not

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very expensive then - I don't know.

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-Oh, no, this would have been.

-It would?

-This would have been a considered purchase.

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And the interesting thing is, you sort of commented, the 1930s

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and made reference to galleries and antique shops,

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but actually, this figure will date from around 1925.

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Ah, well, that would be feasible.

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And then would have been a brand-new item that would have been retailed

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in a rather smart gallery, and what we're looking at here

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is a wonderful example of that classic period.

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-1925, you know, the launch of Art Deco as we now know it.

-Yes.

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And actually manufactured by - for me -

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one of the leading exponents of this type of work,

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which of course is Demetre Chiparus and actually very clearly

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we do have, just to the reverse here, running along the back...

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Oh, yes.

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..a signature that's just smuggled away in the top of this base and

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it's a wonderful base as well, it's a base for me that is architectural.

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It's reminiscent of the skyline that was springing up

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in New York at the time and she is absolutely from that period.

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And she's actually known as Starlight

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and is one of a range of figures that Chiparus

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created in a period that many sort of see was his golden era.

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He was being heavily influenced by the likes of the Ballets Russes,

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the new cinema that was coming through, avant-garde theatre -

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and as a result there was a production of countless

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stylised girls in dancing poses wearing the most wonderful dresses.

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It's a classic piece of its day

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and obviously a piece that captured your father-in-law's eye.

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Yes, yes.

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So in terms of value - well, this figure today is attractive.

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-It was actually the smaller model of two.

-Yes, I thought so.

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There is one double the size which is considerably more,

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but this one would easily fetch at auction

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between £10,000 and £15,000.

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Right, that's very nice to know.

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Now, I don't want to raise your hopes too much,

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but this really is probably the most unusual wall clock I've ever seen.

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Is it something you've had for many years?

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It's something that has been in our collection for about three years.

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Sorry, your collection?

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Yes, I'm the Keeper of Collections at Milford House Museum in Armagh

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and in 2012, Her Majesty's Customs and Revenue gifted us

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most of the contents of Somerset House in London

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and this clock was among the pieces that came from Somerset House.

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Wow! Did you have to make a payment for it?

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No, everything was gifted to us,

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to be held in trust for society for the benefit of the nation.

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I think I'd better start a museum and get one or two

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things from HMRC! I think that sounds absolutely fantastic.

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Well, let's have a look at the name.

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Alexander Cumming of London.

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He was actually born in Edinburgh and then moved down to London

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and was working in the Bond Street area, really, throughout

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the 1780s and 1790s.

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He died actually in - I think - 1814,

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but a maker of great repute, fellow of the Royal Society,

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clockmaker to King George, everything you ever want.

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-Have you ever seen anything like it before?

-No.

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And we know that it's unusual - we don't know why it's unusual.

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Well, I will try and help you out on that.

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As I said, he's a maker of great repute

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and when it comes to his wall clocks, we tend to think of them as

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having the flat, square silver dials,

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or with a shallow arch, with what we call a hooded wall clock,

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that would have finished at about there.

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Would have been smaller than this.

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So a precision wall clock

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and the extraordinary thing is,

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there's no depth to it, it's only about that deep.

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So have you tried getting that pendulum on and off in there?

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Er, yes, I have, yes, with difficulty.

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With great difficulty, I bet. It's lovely, absolutely gorgeous.

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Now how many houses it's been into, or premises,

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I really don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me at all

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if it was a special commission for one of the big London places.

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I believe it was made for Somerset House.

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For Somerset House - it makes absolute sense, absolute sense.

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So we have canted corners

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and then these lovely side mouldings here and also at the base.

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So it would have been in very much a room that was seen from all angles.

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You're very lucky to have it.

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Did they tell you, when they sent it up, what they thought it was worth?

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No.

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Do you have any idea?

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Er no.

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No, OK.

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Good clocks at the moment are really flying high

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and this is the sort of thing that any collector will want.

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At auction,

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£15,000 to £20,000.

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-Really?

-That's why I said I want to start a museum.

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Seriously?

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-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

-Oh, my goodness.

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It is - it's a one-off. I've never seen anything like it.

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15 to 20...?

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Yeah, and as we say in our business, "find another" and you never will.

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# Rain, rain, rain, rain, beautiful rain

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# Rain, rain, rain, rain, beautiful rain

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# Oh, come to me, beautiful rain. #

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It's not very often - in fact, I think it might it might be the

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first time - that I've had a doll brought into the Roadshow by a man.

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I hastily add it's not mine, it's my mother's.

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-Right.

-OK.

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Tell me what you know about it.

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All I know is, it was posted to my mother in 1934 by an uncle

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living in America, specifically Florida.

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Mum, for her third birthday,

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asked her Uncle Harry in Florida for a Shirley Temple doll and hence...

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She obviously liked Shirley Temple.

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Very much so, yes.

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So we have a vinyl doll, looking just like Shirley Temple.

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They came in various sizes.

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She has a lovely little wig which is actually made of mohair,

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which is a mountain goat.

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She has limbs which are jointed at the hip and the shoulder

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and she has a turning head, so she's a seriously-made doll.

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Then you have the wonderful little dress with a lot of work in it.

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It's handmade with a little label saying,

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"Shirley Temple, Ideal Novelty Company, New York" - can't get better than that.

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It happens to have been made and designed by someone in 1934,

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by Bernard Lipfert.

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The Ideal Novelty Company of New York -

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which started in 1907 - by the '30s they not only did Shirley Temple,

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they did Deanna Durbin, Judy Garland, and various other famous

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actresses that people loved and that's why they collected the dolls.

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Excellent.

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It's absolutely a child's dream.

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She's going to be worth, altogether -

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including the clothes, because that really does make a difference,

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and the badge - we're talking about £800 to £1,000.

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My goodness! OK, thank you very much, lovely.

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-I hope your mother will be pleased.

-She will be, yes! Thank you very much.

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Now I'm looking at handsome naval officers, medals,

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obviously a very important story.

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Who's the chap I'm holding?

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That's my grandfather, Alfred Thomas Cook,

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known in the family as Grandpa Doon.

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OK. Now, he's a naval officer, what's the story?

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Well, the story is that in the Second World War,

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he was the captain of the Medway Queen.

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Ah, now I can almost take over there.

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Go to 1940, go to those dark days, go to Dunkirk

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and all those troops trying to be got off the beaches.

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The Medway Queen was a famous Thames paddle steamer, shallow draught,

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she could get right into the beaches and could load soldiers straight off

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the beaches and then can ferry them out to the deeper, bigger ships.

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That's right. They saved 7,000 soldiers,

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which was a huge number, in seven sorties back on to the beaches.

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-It doesn't bear thinking about, does it?

-Holding it all together - amazing.

-And this is what he got?

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And he got the Distinguished Service Cross for his services

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during that particular event, and the ship itself was named

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The Heroine of Dunkirk because she was the big one that went right in.

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-And she survived.

-And she survived.

-Very good, so that's your grandpa.

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-Yeah.

-Move on - who's this handsome chap?

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Well, this handsome chap is my dad,

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Lionel Aubrey Cook,

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and he was in the Merchant Navy at the same time and he was

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in the war travelling north in October 1942 on the MV Brittany.

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-Right.

-And as they came north, their course was meant to be straight to

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Liverpool, but they were detoured slightly into the Bay of Biscay.

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Coming south, the other convoy had a troop carrier with my grandfather captaining it.

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-Hang on a minute.

-Sorry.

-So your grandfather and your father were passing at sea?

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Yes, they were passing at sea in the middle of the war.

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-Unknown to each other.

-Unknown, and the reason is clear now,

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because they were to draw the Wolfpacks - the submarines,

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German submarines - away from...they were a decoy.

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So the main convoy was going to - was part of the attack on Africa,

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-the North African attack.

-Yes.

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And they were put in harm's way to the extent that virtually all

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the ships in the little convoy were torpedoed that night

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on 22nd October 1942, and my father was

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the officer of the watch that night, saw the first torpedo strike,

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saw a second one hit the lifeboats as they were being launched.

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The ship turned right over on its hull.

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He was running along the keel, the ship started to sink,

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he was sucked down with the ship and I shouldn't be here today,

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but the ship was carrying bales of cotton,

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so the only theory my dad can give is that as the ship went down,

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sucking him with it, bales of cotton came bobbing up out of the hold.

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And one of them must have caught him and brought him up to the surface,

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because the next thing he knew, he was on the surface, he saw

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a half-wrecked lifeboat, got himself into it, and then proceeded to

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rescue people as they were floating past and he kept them alive

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in the boat for over 24 hours until they were luckily rescued.

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And for that, he received the medals here.

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That's an astonishing story.

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I mean, it's all about chance, isn't it?

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-Yeah.

-What are the drawings?

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Well, when he survived he was brought to Liverpool

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and he was in hospital, he was seriously ill,

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and as he was recovering - he had told us this story all

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through his life, but what we didn't know was that he was also

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putting down the story as a memory by way of these cartoons - and

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he drew these cartoons in hospital which depict the whole incident.

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I mean, it's a sequence, isn't it? The ship, the torpedoing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Second torpedo, the escape nets,

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the ship beginning to roll over,

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the ship upside down, he's running along the keel, though he isn't...

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-Yes.

-..getting into the water,

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and then finally in the lifeboat.

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-Yeah.

-I mean... and you didn't know these existed?

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No, it was amazing when we found them.

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-After his death.

-Absolutely, yeah.

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So you've got a record of that extraordinary incident here.

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That's right and we've got the MBE

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-and we have the Lloyd's Medal for Bravery.

-Which is a very rare medal.

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Which is the special one. There are only 540 in existence

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and therefore this, to us, is a very special tribute to my dad.

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And, of course, it is an amazing family story.

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The value, of course, is in the medals

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and I'm sure you're aware of that.

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-Yeah.

-Just going through them, your grandfather's

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Distinguished Service Cross, because of the connection with

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the Medway Queen and that incident, is £2,000 to £3,000.

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The Lloyd's Medal is surprisingly not that valuable,

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they're very rare.

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If that was a VC it would be, well, you know...

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But it's still £1,000.

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The MBE, a wartime MBE, and again because of the incident, is probably

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about the same, so you're looking at £5,000 for the medals.

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Well, it's an amazing thing. For us, it's just

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the knowledge that this will be handed down through the years.

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We now have a grandson

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and hopefully it will go from our sons to our grandsons.

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-They must never be lost.

-We'll never forget.

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Tea sets have been a bit of a dead duck on the market

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for quite a long while.

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However, there are exceptions.

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But how did you come by it?

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It came to me from my mother

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and we believe it came to her from her father before her.

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Beyond that, I know nothing about it.

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Well, that would make perfect sense. I mean, this is just so stylish.

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What's so remarkable is that, of course, the design was actually

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registered in 1880.

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I thought it might have been the 1920s or '30s.

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I'm not surprised, that's what most people think, because this fits

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so much more happily with Art Deco than it does with high

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Victorian art, and no wonder

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because, and the answer lies...

0:18:360:18:39

there.

0:18:390:18:41

And what we've got there is the facsimile

0:18:410:18:44

-signature of Dr Christopher Dresser.

-Right.

0:18:440:18:47

Now, he was way ahead of his time from the point of view of design.

0:18:470:18:52

In fact, I mean, he was just amazing,

0:18:520:18:55

introducing functionalism into design.

0:18:550:18:57

But he sold designs to different companies and in this case,

0:18:570:19:01

there's the design registration, which is

0:19:010:19:04

actually from the 1880s, and there we've got the marks of Dixon.

0:19:040:19:11

Dixon and Company, very important,

0:19:110:19:14

and they commissioned the series, mostly tea services

0:19:140:19:17

from Dresser, about 30 or 40 designs.

0:19:170:19:20

And they are amongst the most sought-after of all Dresser pieces.

0:19:200:19:26

So, the condition here is absolutely wonderful,

0:19:260:19:30

but we do need to consider, of course, Dr Christopher Dresser,

0:19:300:19:33

Dixons...I mean, a facsimile signature, which is so rare.

0:19:330:19:38

-It's electroplate, of course.

-Yes.

0:19:380:19:42

As to value, I would say in today's market, at auction,

0:19:420:19:46

the estimate would be between £3,000 and £5,000.

0:19:460:19:51

-Wow!

-OK.

0:19:510:19:52

And if it went beyond that, I wouldn't be in the slightest

0:19:520:19:56

-bit surprised because it's in such wonderful condition.

-Super.

0:19:560:20:02

-This man here is your grandfather.

-That's right.

0:20:050:20:07

He has a very special connection to Hillsborough Castle

0:20:070:20:10

-behind us.

-Yes.

-Tell me about it.

0:20:100:20:11

He was aide de camp to the first Governor of Northern Ireland

0:20:110:20:14

at the very beginning of Northern Ireland,

0:20:140:20:17

and his duties were to organise security at all state events.

0:20:170:20:23

This is your grandfather here.

0:20:230:20:25

-We've got the Duke of York, who went on to become George VI.

-Yes.

0:20:250:20:29

-And this is the Governor.

-Yes.

0:20:290:20:31

The Duke of Abercorn, and here the Duchess of York

0:20:310:20:33

became Queen Elizabeth and then, of course, the Queen Mother.

0:20:330:20:36

-So, he obviously met very important people here in his job.

-Yes.

0:20:360:20:40

Now, I have here a proclamation. Now, this is a proclamation

0:20:400:20:43

-when King George VI died...

-Yes.

0:20:430:20:47

-..and Queen Elizabeth II acceded to the throne.

-Yes.

0:20:470:20:50

Now, what did your grandfather have to do with this proclamation?

0:20:500:20:53

He read out that proclamation in Derry at the Guildhall,

0:20:530:20:57

at the same time as it was read out here, I think

0:20:570:21:00

by the Governor at Hillsborough.

0:21:000:21:03

And I can see here the little marks he put in...

0:21:030:21:05

-Yes, his breathing marks.

-..where he can take a breath, yes.

0:21:050:21:08

-Yes, exactly.

-So this must have been quite a moment for him.

0:21:080:21:10

Absolutely, it was a huge moment, yeah.

0:21:100:21:13

-Now, you might be aware that the Queen was here yesterday.

-Yes.

0:21:130:21:16

And she heard that this proclamation was going to be

0:21:160:21:19

brought along to the programme today, and I'm told that

0:21:190:21:21

she expressed a particular interest in hearing it,

0:21:210:21:24

so if she's watching the programme,

0:21:240:21:26

-she'll be very interested in this, I think.

-Good.

0:21:260:21:29

This is an extraordinary manuscript of all the bones of the human

0:21:300:21:35

body, delineated as large as life.

0:21:350:21:37

And it's dated 1770,

0:21:370:21:41

"John Ward delineat" - that is

0:21:410:21:44

the Latin for having drawn it - and it is the most extraordinary thing.

0:21:440:21:48

So, if we go into the first one here, we've got

0:21:480:21:51

a picture of the human skull, which is...I don't know...

0:21:510:21:54

-these things are almost surreal, aren't they?

-Yeah.

0:21:540:21:57

But they are quite incredible, and it goes on giving various views of

0:21:570:22:00

the human body, and here's a rather charming one of a baby in the womb.

0:22:000:22:06

Now, I think this is copied,

0:22:080:22:10

I don't think that this chap here who actually drew all these

0:22:100:22:14

knew very much about this, I think he was copying from somewhere else.

0:22:140:22:18

It's an extraordinary thing, where does it come from?

0:22:180:22:21

Well, it was found in Brownlow House in Lurgan,

0:22:210:22:24

-that's the ancestral home of the Brownlow family.

-Mm-hm.

0:22:240:22:26

And it was damaged some time ago in an arson attack

0:22:260:22:29

and there's been various bits of restoration work done,

0:22:290:22:32

and the latest bit, about ten years ago, this was uncovered.

0:22:320:22:35

-This was uncovered

-Yeah.

-What do you mean, it came out...?

0:22:350:22:38

It was some brickwork in a wall and it was underneath the brickwork.

0:22:380:22:41

And so how did it come to you?

0:22:410:22:43

Well, that's what I'm saying, my son found it - he's the caretaker of the

0:22:430:22:46

house, so...and it was only brought here today as an afterthought.

0:22:460:22:50

Bring it down and see. The other things that I brought down

0:22:500:22:52

have been sort of discarded.

0:22:520:22:54

This is a bit of an afterthought, I have to say,

0:22:540:22:57

but all these are original, it's a super thing to see, very exciting.

0:22:570:23:00

I would have to value it at, what - £2,000, it's quite a find.

0:23:000:23:06

£2,000?

0:23:070:23:09

Dear, dear, dear - very good indeed.

0:23:090:23:11

We're standing in the luscious grounds of Hillsborough,

0:23:130:23:16

lovely green grass, beautiful trees, and you've brought in this

0:23:160:23:21

colourful picture by Wright Barker entitled Clearing the Forest.

0:23:210:23:26

Can you tell me where it's come from?

0:23:260:23:29

It was in my grandparents' house, in their lounge,

0:23:290:23:32

and it's hung there as long as I can remember.

0:23:320:23:35

It's always been in the family, so I wanted to know more about it.

0:23:350:23:39

And we do know that my father purchased the painting in 1976

0:23:390:23:43

from a local gallery and he paid £1,025.

0:23:430:23:47

He obviously loved the picture, it was hanging in his house?

0:23:470:23:50

-Yeah..

-Yeah, very much so.

-And are you enjoying it at home?

0:23:500:23:54

Well, we only had it up on one occasion,

0:23:540:23:58

since for the last couple of years, we've taken the painting down.

0:23:580:24:01

-It's so dominant in a room.

-Is it a picture that you love?

0:24:010:24:05

Well, I've a lot of memories of it, obviously

0:24:050:24:08

being at my grandparents' house, I always remember it being up, but

0:24:080:24:12

it's a shame no-one sees it any more because it is quite spectacular.

0:24:120:24:15

But it doesn't really match our house, I'm afraid.

0:24:150:24:18

And, of course, it's an oil on canvas, painted in the 1890s.

0:24:180:24:22

He had a studio in Owlerton in Yorkshire

0:24:220:24:25

so it might be one of the surrounding areas.

0:24:250:24:27

Of course, there's a narrative here, it tells a story,

0:24:270:24:30

and do you know what's going on here?

0:24:300:24:32

We would understand that it was painted in the late 19th century

0:24:320:24:35

and this was obviously men doing their daily work.

0:24:350:24:38

Clearing the Forest, as you said, was the title of the painting.

0:24:380:24:41

-Yes.

-The focus of the painting for us, and I know my father,

0:24:410:24:44

was the expression on the horse's face,

0:24:440:24:46

if there is such a thing, particularly the horse's eye.

0:24:460:24:49

Um, the eye, that rather scary eye on the main horse.

0:24:490:24:52

Of course, he's being pushed back to where this big tree is going

0:24:520:24:56

to be pulled up and put onto the cart.

0:24:560:24:59

So the noise, the sense of being pushed back, you can

0:24:590:25:02

tell that the horse is slightly fearsome of that.

0:25:020:25:05

Meanwhile, all his friends, which are beautifully depicted

0:25:050:25:08

here by Wright Barker, are waiting for their moment.

0:25:080:25:11

Because this was an exhausting thing for the horses to do.

0:25:110:25:14

Wright Barker was a great animal painter.

0:25:140:25:16

There's a plaque on the picture that starts 1891 and then also

0:25:160:25:20

adds the date 1893, so I suspect this is painted around 1893.

0:25:200:25:25

He starts exhibiting at the Royal Academy in 1891

0:25:250:25:28

and he continues exhibiting at the Academy up to about 1935.

0:25:280:25:32

Dies in 1941. So, in terms of valuation, this painting's certainly

0:25:320:25:36

-worth £6,000 to £8,000.

-Wow! That's nice!

0:25:360:25:42

We are attached to the painting and we intend to hold on to it

0:25:420:25:45

and get somewhere more appropriate for it, maybe, then.

0:25:450:25:49

-Maybe my house.

-Maybe your house is right, yeah.

0:25:490:25:52

How long has this watch been sitting in this box for?

0:25:530:25:56

-I would say at least 40 years.

-Have you ever worn it?

0:25:560:26:00

-No.

-So what's it doing in there?

0:26:000:26:02

-Um, waiting to be valued, I suppose.

-That's a good enough response,

0:26:020:26:07

but it's such a sadness and I love this subject, and

0:26:070:26:12

time and time again these beautiful things I just don't feel are loved.

0:26:120:26:16

It is the most magnificent watch in the hand - very, very heavy.

0:26:160:26:21

Do you know what sort of watch we call this, with the case?

0:26:210:26:24

I understand it's a half hunter.

0:26:240:26:26

You're absolutely right, it's a half hunter,

0:26:260:26:28

-in other words it's enclosed on the back.

-Yes.

0:26:280:26:31

And then you've got this small window at the front,

0:26:310:26:34

which, if you were riding a horse, as you would have

0:26:340:26:37

done in the old days, before cars, you would have not had all

0:26:370:26:41

that open, so if you fell off your horse you didn't smash

0:26:410:26:44

-the glass but then you could just do that and...instant time.

-Yes.

0:26:440:26:49

But there's one or two more special things about this.

0:26:490:26:52

-The instant giveaway, this button here and this slide there.

-Yes.

0:26:520:26:58

Now, you must have had it out of the box at some stage.

0:26:580:27:01

-Definitely, yes.

-And so do you know what these things do?

0:27:010:27:04

Well, they tell you the time. If you happen to be blind,

0:27:040:27:07

you can tell the time by sliding the slide, and it strikes the hours

0:27:070:27:11

and the quarters past the hour and the minutes past the quarter.

0:27:110:27:14

Well, you're absolutely right, it should be a minute repeater

0:27:140:27:17

and this button at the top - have you ever used that one?

0:27:170:27:21

I think that's a stopwatch.

0:27:210:27:23

You're absolutely right, it is a centre seconds chronograph,

0:27:230:27:27

so I've just pressed that and it's started the seconds hand running.

0:27:270:27:31

You've got a 30-minute recording dial at the top, stop there,

0:27:310:27:36

reset it and it flicks back to zero.

0:27:360:27:39

So you've got twin subsidiaries, the bottom one running seconds,

0:27:390:27:43

and then your 30-minute recording.

0:27:430:27:46

Now, I've said it's a fabulous watch in the hand.

0:27:460:27:49

I see here...got some import marks.

0:27:490:27:54

The top one says 18,

0:27:540:27:57

which is .750 carats,

0:27:570:27:59

the other one to the left is the import mark and the N is

0:27:590:28:05

the London date letter of 1908, and it's come in through London.

0:28:050:28:11

And look at that movement, that is absolute...I'll pop

0:28:110:28:14

it down there. That is absolutely top-grade Swiss, the finest quality

0:28:140:28:20

Swiss. Jewelled to the centre, all the repeat work is jewelled.

0:28:200:28:26

The only thing that would make it better is if it was English

0:28:260:28:32

throughout, it would have been just the pinnacle, but this is lovely.

0:28:320:28:36

I cannot fault it, not that I would want to,

0:28:390:28:42

but everything is perfect, that dial is gorgeous, the movement super.

0:28:420:28:46

When did you last hear it doing its repetition?

0:28:460:28:50

-Probably seven or eight years ago.

-Really?

-Yes.

0:28:500:28:55

-Gosh, so it really doesn't come out often, does it?

-No, no.

0:28:550:28:58

Advance the hands, move the slide, and let's hear it.

0:28:580:29:03

WATCH RINGS

0:29:030:29:07

It's a little sluggish,

0:29:130:29:15

but it would be if it hadn't been oiled for years and years and years.

0:29:150:29:18

A bit like your car, anything mechanical needs to be looked after.

0:29:180:29:22

Well, that was sent away to London on one occasion to be cleaned.

0:29:220:29:25

How long ago?

0:29:250:29:27

Oh, more than 40 years, probably 50, 60 years.

0:29:270:29:31

OK.

0:29:310:29:32

THEY LAUGH

0:29:320:29:34

You still can't expect it to perform beautifully after that time

0:29:340:29:38

without even an oil in 60 years.

0:29:380:29:41

Listen, it's top of the range, it's a gorgeous size.

0:29:430:29:47

Retail - you're going

0:29:490:29:51

-to be paying at least £5,000 for it.

-Right.

0:29:510:29:54

And I know what you're going to do, once again, as everybody says,

0:29:550:29:59

-it's going back in the box, back in the drawer.

-That's right.

0:29:590:30:02

I beg you to take it out more often, have it oiled and please enjoy it!

0:30:020:30:07

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you.

-Thank you very much indeed.

0:30:070:30:11

So it says on this bottle 1727 and I was just wondering

0:30:110:30:15

-if you knew it as a child?

-No!

0:30:150:30:18

SHE LAUGHS

0:30:180:30:19

How do you know it? Come on, tell us.

0:30:200:30:23

Um, I just bought it at a car-boot sale, about five years ago.

0:30:230:30:27

-And what made you buy it?

-Um, I just liked the seal.

0:30:270:30:31

Well, I think the seal makes the beast.

0:30:310:30:34

I mean, this is a bottle that's really, really of 1727.

0:30:340:30:37

-It would be lovely to know - would it not - who HE was. Any idea?

-No.

0:30:370:30:43

-And what did you think it was?

-I knew it was an old wine bottle.

0:30:430:30:47

I thought it was quite old when I saw the date on it, but I wasn't sure.

0:30:470:30:51

So, look, you lot, you're in the loop.

0:30:510:30:54

It's a wine bottle, you're absolutely right, it's

0:30:540:30:56

a wine bottle that used to belong to somebody whose initials were HE,

0:30:560:31:00

and it was made in 1727.

0:31:000:31:02

So you're at this boot fair, you see a bottle that you

0:31:020:31:06

recognise for what it is, and how much did you have to splash out?

0:31:060:31:09

Er, £3.50.

0:31:090:31:10

£3.50, you wild woman! So what does your husband think

0:31:100:31:13

when you come back with this junk from boot fairs?

0:31:130:31:16

Oh, he's not too happy. All this junk I'm bringing home.

0:31:160:31:19

Well, I'm telling you, I think he's going

0:31:190:31:22

to be in slightly better humour with you when he finds out that its

0:31:220:31:25

value is actually £2,500 to £3,000.

0:31:250:31:32

-Oh, my goodness!

-Really?! Wow!

-How's that, then?

0:31:320:31:36

-I can't believe it.

-Aren't you the lucky girl?

-Yes!

0:31:360:31:39

-Come on!

-Thank you so much.

0:31:390:31:41

-Isn't that great?

-Yes, that's great, thank you very much.

-Yes!

0:31:410:31:44

CLAPPING

0:31:440:31:46

Yesterday I had the chance to introduce three of our experts

0:31:500:31:54

to Her Majesty the Queen, and Prince Philip,

0:31:540:31:56

after they'd finished their stay here at Hillsborough Castle.

0:31:560:31:59

Good morning, Your Majesty, Your Royal Highness.

0:32:000:32:03

Her Majesty has a particular family connection to the house.

0:32:050:32:09

Between 1945 and 1952, her aunt, Lady Granville,

0:32:090:32:13

lived at Hillsborough when her husband was Governor.

0:32:130:32:16

Our experts have been researching

0:32:160:32:19

items in the Hillsborough collection

0:32:190:32:21

to discuss with Her Majesty, the Queen.

0:32:210:32:24

We took the liberty of looking round the castle

0:32:240:32:27

and we found some things that actually relate to the family.

0:32:270:32:31

The horse is after a very famous bronze sculptor called Mene

0:32:310:32:37

and it's the Derby winner of 1863.

0:32:370:32:41

What I found out about the 1863 Derby is that it had 32

0:32:410:32:47

-false starts.

-Sounds very incompetent.

0:32:470:32:51

SHE LAUGHS

0:32:510:32:53

'Once the conversation with Her Majesty the Queen was over,

0:32:550:32:58

'and the Royal party had departed, I caught up with our experts.'

0:32:580:33:01

Well, that was quite a moment for the Antiques Roadshow, and the Queen

0:33:010:33:05

seemed genuinely interested in hearing about those objects.

0:33:050:33:07

Yes, she did. We talked about every object on the table

0:33:070:33:11

and everything we talked about seemed to get a real response,

0:33:110:33:15

it was fabulous.

0:33:150:33:16

The great thing, of course, was also her interest in the programme.

0:33:160:33:20

-Well, I'm told she's a fan.

-Oh, right.

0:33:200:33:22

And the first thing that I spoke to Her Majesty about was

0:33:220:33:24

something with a family connection.

0:33:240:33:26

And it's a little Christening cup.

0:33:260:33:28

-Yes.

-Amazing, isn't it? What was the relationship?

0:33:280:33:31

Lady Granville was my aunt, Queen Elizabeth's sister.

0:33:310:33:33

Got left here, did it, by mistake?

0:33:330:33:35

THEY LAUGH

0:33:350:33:37

-No.

-Well, it's a fabulous story that Lord

0:33:370:33:40

and Lady Granville were crossing the Atlantic and the chief

0:33:400:33:43

engineer's wife produced the baby while they were all at sea

0:33:430:33:48

and Lady Granville said, "Well, I would like to give a Christening

0:33:480:33:52

"present and I'll be there at the Christening," and what's fabulous

0:33:520:33:55

is that there's a photograph of her actually at the Christening.

0:33:550:33:59

Mm, amazing, isn't it?

0:33:590:34:01

She's the lady who made the rose garden, a rather beautiful garden.

0:34:010:34:05

When it comes to the family cup, that belonged to her aunt,

0:34:070:34:10

didn't it?

0:34:100:34:11

To her mother's elder sister, who used to live here,

0:34:110:34:14

so that was a straight connection.

0:34:140:34:17

It's an eclectic collection of items, isn't it?

0:34:170:34:19

Yes, I think it's an extraordinary house.

0:34:190:34:22

I think what we've done today is we've looked at things and,

0:34:220:34:25

obviously with the help of Her Majesty, we've filled in some of the

0:34:250:34:27

details about those objects and in a sense that's what we're here for.

0:34:270:34:32

And I guess that's what the Roadshow does best.

0:34:320:34:35

What a lock! I mean, an amazing key.

0:34:400:34:44

Can you imagine the door it came from?

0:34:440:34:46

You don't happen to have that tucked away somewhere?

0:34:460:34:49

-I mean, did you prise it off a door in your home?

-Definitely not.

0:34:490:34:53

-Where did you get it, then?

-I found it on a skip.

0:34:530:34:55

What, a skip in the street?!

0:34:550:34:57

Yeah, we were working, came back next morning to load furniture,

0:34:570:34:59

and this here was in it.

0:34:590:35:01

You were walking by and you looked in and you just noticed that?

0:35:010:35:04

We were putting stuff into it.

0:35:040:35:05

You were putting stuff in the skip and that's when you saw it.

0:35:050:35:08

Somebody got there before us.

0:35:080:35:09

-You don't know the building it came from?

-I've no idea.

0:35:090:35:12

I mean, it's an extraordinary piece of Gothic revival.

0:35:120:35:15

It's dated 1851,

0:35:150:35:17

the year before Pugin died, who did the Houses of Parliament.

0:35:170:35:21

Pierced brass, it's obviously ecclesiastical because of

0:35:210:35:24

the Latin inscription, and the key is superb, it's all pierced out.

0:35:240:35:30

The panel round the edge is all painted.

0:35:300:35:32

People like William Burges, and as I said, Pugin,

0:35:320:35:35

designed stuff like this, and it's that kind of quality.

0:35:350:35:39

It would have been in some kind of Gothic mansion or folly, or

0:35:390:35:43

I almost think it would have been designed for a church.

0:35:430:35:48

-So it's actually cost you nothing?

-No. Is there any value in it?

0:35:480:35:53

-Have you taken it anywhere?

-No.

0:35:530:35:54

I took it to a local locksmith where I found it and they offered me

0:35:540:35:58

a tenner for it.

0:35:580:35:59

A tenner? You were offered £10 for this?

0:35:590:36:01

I would say the key might be worth at least £150, maybe £200.

0:36:010:36:08

And the whole kit caboodle, the whole thing,

0:36:080:36:13

I would say £800 to £1,000.

0:36:130:36:16

CROWD GASPS

0:36:160:36:18

And you found it in a skip.

0:36:180:36:20

I think it's a fantastic thing, I really think it's wonderful.

0:36:200:36:24

I love the fact it's made to look like a book.

0:36:240:36:27

You don't want to buy it, no?

0:36:270:36:29

THEY LAUGH

0:36:290:36:30

-Well, that's not our job.

-Oh, dear.

0:36:300:36:32

You know, some people looking at this picture would think this

0:36:340:36:37

is very, very child-like and very primitive.

0:36:370:36:40

To me, this is an absolute joy to see today.

0:36:400:36:44

It is to me, too.

0:36:440:36:46

And when I saw this, I knew straightaway who it was by,

0:36:460:36:49

-James Dixon.

-The very same, James Dixon, yeah, Tory Island.

0:36:490:36:53

And Tory Island is off County Donegal?

0:36:530:36:56

It is, it's about 12 miles off the north coast.

0:36:560:36:59

If you can imagine a map of Ireland.

0:36:590:37:02

-Yes.

-Up in the north west, go out 12 miles out into the sea

0:37:020:37:05

and you'll find Tory Island, it's a little rocky island.

0:37:050:37:08

-And James Dixon, born on Tory Island...

-Yeah.

0:37:080:37:12

-..and died on Tory Island...

-Yeah.

-..is an Irish artist.

0:37:120:37:15

-He certainly is, yeah.

-And I think one of the greats.

0:37:150:37:18

I think so too, yeah, he is the number one.

0:37:180:37:22

There's this Tory School of Painting

0:37:220:37:25

but James Dixon is recognised as being big daddy.

0:37:250:37:27

It's a joy to see

0:37:270:37:29

because you're looking at a perspective of an untrained artist.

0:37:290:37:32

-Absolutely.

-He's putting onto canvas what he sees with his eye

0:37:320:37:35

and feels with his heart and I just love the way

0:37:350:37:38

the figures are walking around on the harbour wall there.

0:37:380:37:41

-I mean, they're almost Lowry-like, these.

-They are.

0:37:410:37:45

But just wonderful, and then the specks up here in the sky.

0:37:450:37:47

-I think they might be chickens.

-Chickens?!

0:37:470:37:49

-Might be, I'm not sure.

-Well...

-They look like chickens to me.

0:37:490:37:52

HE LAUGHS

0:37:520:37:54

It's a rather nice thought, actually.

0:37:540:37:56

And in his early life he actually was a farmer and a fisherman,

0:37:560:37:59

-wasn't he?

-Yes, he was.

0:37:590:38:01

Did you ever go to Tory Island?

0:38:010:38:03

Yeah, I went there several times.

0:38:030:38:04

I went actually with Derek Hill, the painter, as a guest

0:38:040:38:07

and while I was there - this is 1968 - I met James Dixon and I watched

0:38:070:38:11

him painting and he painted...

0:38:110:38:14

He would paint a picture and he would

0:38:140:38:17

put it to the side because he'd just become popular, and he would

0:38:170:38:22

say, "There's another £10", and then he would start again.

0:38:220:38:25

I said, "Jimmy, I like those two pictures"

0:38:250:38:28

that he'd just painted - this one and another one of the wasp.

0:38:280:38:31

And I said...but I couldn't afford them, I was a penniless

0:38:310:38:34

youth at the time, so I grovelled through my pockets and I found

0:38:340:38:39

I had £1 and ten shillings - and he said, "That'll do".

0:38:390:38:43

So I bought the two pictures for £1, ten shillings.

0:38:430:38:47

That, that's amazing, because when you look at this,

0:38:470:38:49

he always inscribes his picture, and I see down the left-hand side

0:38:490:38:53

it's got, "The Marie, the first motor boat built on Tory Island."

0:38:530:38:59

-That's right.

-I think he's the most extraordinary artist because

0:38:590:39:03

he didn't start painting until he was 72 years old.

0:39:030:39:05

-Yeah.

-And self-taught.

0:39:050:39:07

I would love to own this, I really, really would.

0:39:070:39:11

You can't have it.

0:39:110:39:12

I'll give you two shillings for it.

0:39:120:39:14

HE LAUGHS

0:39:140:39:16

No, I think this is fantastic.

0:39:160:39:17

If this came up today for sale, I know exactly what

0:39:170:39:21

it's worth, it's worth about £4,000 to £6,000.

0:39:210:39:24

Anyway, it's lovely to see it today.

0:39:250:39:27

Thank you very much indeed, Dendy. Thank you.

0:39:270:39:30

What on earth's happened to this box here?

0:39:300:39:33

Last night when I took a ring out of the cupboard, I popped

0:39:330:39:36

it on the bed and when I turned round, my dog had it in his mouth.

0:39:360:39:40

Goodness me, and so for all these years the box has been absolutely

0:39:400:39:44

fine and probably you've had the ring for a long time and then

0:39:440:39:46

suddenly it all happens the night before you come to the Roadshow.

0:39:460:39:49

-Yes.

-Isn't that just typical?

0:39:490:39:51

Well, thankfully he didn't get actually inside the box

0:39:510:39:54

and start to eat this beautiful ring that we've got here.

0:39:540:39:58

What's the connection with you and the ring and the family?

0:39:580:40:00

The family story goes that my husband's great-great-great-

0:40:000:40:05

-grandfather was quite wealthy and had servants.

-Uh-huh.

0:40:050:40:08

And during the time of the Crimean War,

0:40:080:40:10

one of the maids became ill and as her husband was going off to

0:40:100:40:13

war, he asked my husband's ancestor if he could kindly look after

0:40:130:40:16

the maid for him, and when he returned from the war, the story

0:40:160:40:20

goes that he brought the ring with him, by way of saying thank you.

0:40:200:40:24

That's a lovely story, isn't it?

0:40:240:40:27

And the fact that a piece of jewellery has been

0:40:270:40:29

given as a thank you. Jewellery is always associated with loving

0:40:290:40:33

sentiments, and then suddenly they've done such a super thing,

0:40:330:40:36

looking after the maid, and they get this beautiful ring.

0:40:360:40:40

And what's really lovely about it is, it's known as an "in fede" ring

0:40:400:40:44

which is a "hands in faith" ring, and as we see here,

0:40:440:40:48

if we take a closer look at it, it closes

0:40:480:40:50

and the two hands come together and they are hands in faith.

0:40:500:40:55

And it's more than likely that the ring is actually

0:40:550:40:58

English-made, as well.

0:40:580:41:00

We can date the ring from the fact we've got lovely canitille work,

0:41:000:41:04

which is very delicate gold bead work and rope work,

0:41:040:41:08

around the garnets that are set in the ring, as well.

0:41:080:41:13

The ring actually dates from the 1820s,

0:41:130:41:16

so it's a beautiful, pretty ring.

0:41:160:41:18

Thankfully, it hasn't been damaged by the dog.

0:41:180:41:22

As far as value is concerned, naturally, a piece like this is,

0:41:220:41:26

it's full of sentimental value for you and your family.

0:41:260:41:29

Collectors at auction, because of the intricacy,

0:41:290:41:32

the delicacy of it and the good condition of it, we're

0:41:320:41:35

looking at a value of between £1,000 and £1,500.

0:41:350:41:39

-Gosh! Thank you very much.

-My pleasure.

0:41:390:41:44

Quirky, cool and more than a little bit kitsch are words

0:41:440:41:48

that I think I could use to describe these,

0:41:480:41:51

which are original 1960s and '70s magazine illustrations, aren't they?

0:41:510:41:55

That's right, yes.

0:41:550:41:57

And this white blank area here is of course where the text would

0:41:570:42:00

have gone for the magazine to tell the story.

0:42:000:42:02

That's right, for the page of a magazine.

0:42:020:42:04

Why on earth did you buy them?

0:42:040:42:06

I just thought they were beautiful, the colours and the artwork and

0:42:060:42:09

I appreciate that it was all hand-done and he had to

0:42:090:42:12

fill it in all by himself and they were actual works of art,

0:42:120:42:16

in a sense.

0:42:160:42:18

There's also quite a lot of skill in here, isn't there?

0:42:180:42:21

-When you look at how well they're done...

-Fabulous.

0:42:210:42:24

They really capture characters

0:42:240:42:26

of each of the individuals through here.

0:42:260:42:28

I like the fact that the whole strip tells a story. One page

0:42:280:42:31

and that's what the magazine had to do, just to describe for the reader.

0:42:310:42:35

But I think, for me, it's what's not said and what's not shown.

0:42:350:42:38

I mean, here we have an old man

0:42:380:42:40

sort of lovingly cupping this much younger lady, and

0:42:400:42:43

I'm sort of wondering is he the boss and is she perhaps his secretary?

0:42:430:42:47

Is this an illicit affair?

0:42:470:42:49

So you have a story being told,

0:42:490:42:51

but there's always something else, it's a snapshot in time, isn't it?

0:42:510:42:55

-That's exactly right.

-I think for me,

0:42:550:42:57

apart from just capturing a sort of moment in a story, and a

0:42:570:42:59

moment in time in that story, they capture a moment in style, as well.

0:42:590:43:03

I mean, look at this lady here, leaning out of foliage.

0:43:030:43:06

I mean this is so 1960s and even her telephone looks a little

0:43:060:43:08

-bit like a Pucci dress, doesn't it?

-That's right, yes.

0:43:080:43:11

With these wonderful colours and geometric shapes here

0:43:110:43:13

and, of course, this is all meant to be exotic

0:43:130:43:15

and evocative and romantic, I suppose.

0:43:150:43:18

Looking at the subject matter here, you've got sort of this

0:43:180:43:20

illicit affair going on, this luscious lady sort of leaning out

0:43:200:43:24

of bushes there, and then here, this rather sort of James Bond character.

0:43:240:43:28

This louche gentleman.

0:43:280:43:30

It would have been nice perhaps to see some more sort of lithe

0:43:300:43:32

ladies and buxom beauties lurking round, or guns, or sports cars.

0:43:320:43:36

Do you know which magazine they come from?

0:43:360:43:39

I think it was Women's Illustrated but I'm not sure.

0:43:390:43:41

He may have worked for quite a few other magazines.

0:43:410:43:44

They remind you also of film posters at the time, but

0:43:440:43:48

in the case of this, I mean, you can just see the whole story there.

0:43:480:43:52

Absolutely. This little vignette says so much, doesn't it?

0:43:520:43:55

I notice some of them are signed "Jac Mars"

0:43:550:43:58

and I've done a little bit of research and I can't

0:43:580:44:01

seem to find too much out about Jac Mars, who I presume is a he.

0:44:010:44:04

And I think identifying something about the artist, and identifying

0:44:040:44:08

which magazine they came from, will sort of improve their value.

0:44:080:44:12

They're not exactly everybody's cup of tea, though,

0:44:120:44:15

so what did you pay for these sorts of things?

0:44:150:44:17

Did they come together? You've got what, sort of four or five here.

0:44:170:44:20

We paid about 400 for them.

0:44:200:44:22

Oh gosh! That's 400 for all of them, or are there more?

0:44:220:44:25

-Yeah, there's a few more.

-How many more?

-Another two or three more.

0:44:250:44:28

OK, and it's not just you who likes them,

0:44:280:44:31

plenty of other people do too and I can see,

0:44:310:44:33

depending on the subject matter, these fetching somewhere

0:44:330:44:35

in the region of sort of £50 or £150 each.

0:44:350:44:38

-That's marvellous, yes.

-So not a bad investment, really.

0:44:380:44:41

But I really like them. If you like something, buy it.

0:44:410:44:44

When the Antiques Roadshow was last in Northern Ireland,

0:44:520:44:55

in 2011, our jewellery expert, John Benjamin, met a mother

0:44:550:44:58

and daughter who brought along a pair of rings

0:44:580:45:01

and a wristwatch that was in urgent need of TLC.

0:45:010:45:03

It's in a mess, isn't it? It really, really is.

0:45:030:45:06

My father says

0:45:060:45:07

it's worth something in scrap

0:45:070:45:09

and I thought, "I'll bring it along".

0:45:090:45:11

All right, well, first of all, I'm to start off by saying that

0:45:110:45:14

the bracelet is simply white metal, it's steel,

0:45:140:45:16

so there's no scrappage there, I'm sorry to say.

0:45:160:45:19

-Not signed.

-Oh, right.

0:45:190:45:22

But the movement is by something called the European Watch

0:45:220:45:25

and Clock Company Ltd.

0:45:250:45:28

They used to make movements for a company called Cartier.

0:45:280:45:31

CROWD: Ooh!

0:45:310:45:33

Oh, no! I don't..

0:45:330:45:36

-Are you ready?

-I thought he was going to say "French"!

0:45:360:45:38

-No, I'm not, I'm not! Hold my hand!

-Are you ready?

-It'll be all right.

0:45:380:45:43

£5,000.

0:45:430:45:45

Oh, my God!

0:45:450:45:47

What needs to happen with that, it needs to be restored,

0:45:490:45:52

it also needs to go to Cartier

0:45:520:45:55

so that they can state categorically that it is their watch.

0:45:550:46:00

Thank you very much, John!

0:46:000:46:02

CLAPPING

0:46:020:46:03

You're a wee dear, You're a treasure!

0:46:040:46:06

THEY LAUGH

0:46:060:46:08

I remember you both so well, and the watch,

0:46:080:46:11

because it was in some terrible state, wasn't it?

0:46:110:46:14

BOTH: Yes.

0:46:140:46:15

But John wasn't entirely sure, couldn't be 100% sure

0:46:150:46:18

that it was authentically by Cartier. So what happened next?

0:46:180:46:22

What did you do?

0:46:220:46:23

My mother agreed that my brother and I could go to London and take

0:46:230:46:28

a trip to Bond Street, to Cartier, and we made an appointment and they

0:46:280:46:31

were able to inspect it and they confirmed it was in fact Cartier.

0:46:310:46:37

So, it was great news.

0:46:370:46:39

What was the harder thing was

0:46:390:46:41

whether or not it could actually be repaired.

0:46:410:46:44

It looked like you'd taken a hammer to it or something.

0:46:440:46:46

So they had to spend some time thinking about that, did they?

0:46:460:46:50

Well, they did a full appraisal on it

0:46:500:46:52

and in fact the watch was shipped away to Geneva in Switzerland.

0:46:520:46:56

And this watch, just remind me now,

0:46:560:46:58

because this watch was given in lieu of a debt, wasn't it, originally?

0:46:580:47:02

Remind me of the story, yes.

0:47:020:47:03

Our great uncle worked as a maitre d' in one of the gentlemen's

0:47:030:47:07

clubs in London and one of the gentlemen ran up a substantial bill

0:47:070:47:11

and he couldn't pay his account at the end of the quarter.

0:47:110:47:14

And my uncle had asked him,

0:47:140:47:16

"Would you have anything of value that you could sell?"

0:47:160:47:20

and he said he had a watch and three rings and he brought them in,

0:47:200:47:25

and my uncle looked at them and agreed to purchase them

0:47:250:47:28

and settled the gentleman's debt!

0:47:280:47:30

-So this is effectively a bar bill now?

-Yes!

-This watch.

0:47:300:47:34

Well, here it is, so it went to Geneva and it was restored.

0:47:340:47:37

I mean, look at it now.

0:47:370:47:39

It's just absolutely unrecognisable from what it was.

0:47:390:47:43

-Unbelievable.

-It is, truly beautiful, yeah.

-It's handsome.

0:47:430:47:46

So they've done an extraordinary amount of work on it.

0:47:460:47:49

Absolutely.

0:47:490:47:51

There was over 50 craftsmen and artisans working on the watch.

0:47:510:47:55

Well, I think John Benjamin's the man you need to see, is it?

0:47:550:47:57

Because he's the one who started you on this journey.

0:47:570:48:00

-That's correct.

-Yes.

-Absolutely. Yes, indeed.

0:48:000:48:02

Right, so John Benjamin it is.

0:48:020:48:04

Good, we're delighted!

0:48:040:48:05

-This is the most wonderfully tactile object.

-Yes.

0:48:050:48:09

The feel of that, it's beautiful.

0:48:090:48:11

But do you know what it's for?

0:48:110:48:14

Haven't a clue.

0:48:140:48:15

Possibly something to...there's a grater inside it, possibly?

0:48:150:48:21

Indeed, that's just...there we are, so there's the grater

0:48:210:48:26

And at the other end, I love the fact there's that

0:48:260:48:29

beautifully shaped little hole.

0:48:290:48:33

So once you've grated then, obviously with that shut,

0:48:330:48:38

then it all comes through into that end, so what comes through?

0:48:380:48:42

No idea, you tell me!

0:48:420:48:45

Well, at this sort of period, it's...

0:48:450:48:49

-Some people do argue that they're tobacco rasps.

-Right.

0:48:490:48:53

-Other people for nutmeg.

-Yes.

0:48:530:48:56

-There are two schools of thought.

-Yes.

0:48:560:48:58

And nutmeg, of course, was an extraordinarily expensive spice.

0:48:580:49:02

-Right.

-So you had to be jolly wealthy to have something like this.

0:49:020:49:06

-Oh, right.

-And this is so beautifully done here.

0:49:060:49:09

And it disguises perfectly where the hinge runs. It's only

0:49:110:49:15

when you open it that you can really just see there where

0:49:150:49:19

the hinge actually operates.

0:49:190:49:21

What about date, though?

0:49:210:49:23

No idea, there's no marks on it

0:49:230:49:26

so wasn't even sure whether it was silver or...

0:49:260:49:29

Well, yes, I would suggest that it's the best part of 300 years old.

0:49:290:49:34

Really? Oh, my goodness, right.

0:49:340:49:37

We're looking at the early 1700s.

0:49:370:49:39

-As early as that?

-Yes.

-Oh, wow.

0:49:390:49:42

It might just be William III. I think it's more likely to

0:49:420:49:45

be into Queen Anne.

0:49:450:49:47

I wouldn't like to go any later than George I.

0:49:470:49:51

My goodness!

0:49:510:49:52

So a wonderful object, very collectable, beautifully made.

0:49:520:49:56

Silver without a single mark.

0:49:560:49:59

It's a tricky one to value. I have not seen one quite like this before.

0:49:590:50:05

Oh, right.

0:50:050:50:07

So any nutmeg grater collector would give their eye teeth for it.

0:50:070:50:13

Oh, right.

0:50:130:50:14

It's a rare early example, assuming it is a nutmeg grater,

0:50:140:50:18

but then they go for the tobacco rasps as well.

0:50:180:50:20

I think in the right sort of sale

0:50:200:50:23

you'd be hard-pushed to buy that

0:50:230:50:25

under £1,500, £2,000.

0:50:250:50:28

Oh, my goodness, that's good news. Thank you very much.

0:50:280:50:32

You know what?

0:50:320:50:35

This says "Art Nouveau" in a way that...things like the

0:50:350:50:40

Folies Bergere, Renoir paintings.

0:50:400:50:44

This fits into that wild Parisian

0:50:440:50:48

life of 1900 that is just Cezanne

0:50:480:50:54

and Monet and all that, isn't it?

0:50:540:50:57

I mean, it's just Art Nouveau in letters as big as you like.

0:50:570:51:00

So how do you know it? Where does it come into your life?

0:51:000:51:04

Actually, 40 years ago, this very year, a lady gave it to me.

0:51:040:51:08

She was a housekeeper for a clergyman and I lived in a little

0:51:090:51:13

village in Donegal, and at that time I'd come through a bad period

0:51:130:51:17

and she was giving me things to cheer me up, like clothes and stuff.

0:51:170:51:21

Give it to me! I'm feeling a bit miserable...

0:51:210:51:23

SHE LAUGHS

0:51:230:51:24

So she gave me this vase and I've looked after it

0:51:240:51:27

and moved nine times and this vase has always been

0:51:270:51:30

put down wherever I go. I just brought it here today

0:51:300:51:34

because I just wondered, like, you know, where it originated.

0:51:340:51:38

Well, it's French and it comes from Alsace,

0:51:380:51:42

which was the centre of French glass-making at the time.

0:51:420:51:46

It's interesting that you've owned it for 40 years

0:51:460:51:49

because it's one of the consistent things I've found today,

0:51:490:51:51

is that where I come from, there's a product that would help this vase

0:51:510:51:56

that you clearly don't have here.

0:51:560:51:58

-We call it washing-up liquid.

-Yeah!

0:51:580:52:01

Because this is the most exotic vase...

0:52:010:52:04

Oh, yeah, there's a feather in it!

0:52:050:52:07

Put... That's a feather in your cap.

0:52:070:52:10

Yeah, this is absolutely filthy and it would look so much nicer

0:52:100:52:14

if you got round to washing it.

0:52:140:52:17

And it's not worth a fortune,

0:52:170:52:19

it's probably by a French art glass maker called Le Gras in about 1900.

0:52:190:52:26

-Right.

-At auction it would fetch at least a couple of hundred quid.

0:52:260:52:29

Lovely, that's great!

0:52:290:52:31

Bearing in mind that washing-up liquid's about a ha'penny,

0:52:310:52:34

you could really help this along.

0:52:340:52:36

I need to get my feather back, I've lost it.

0:52:360:52:38

THEY LAUGH

0:52:380:52:40

You were talking to Fiona a little earlier,

0:52:420:52:45

-and here we are again ,three years down the line?

-That's right.

0:52:450:52:48

-Unbelievable.

-It is unbelievable how time's gone by, but also, I mean,

0:52:480:52:51

looking at that, presented here like that,

0:52:510:52:54

is it truly the same watch?

0:52:540:52:56

-Yes.

-Hard to believe.

-Isn't it hard to believe?

-It is.

0:52:560:53:00

It really has been a magical... I mean, the whole thing was

0:53:000:53:04

-magic, really, wasn't it?

-It was.

0:53:040:53:06

Because just to remember rightly,

0:53:060:53:08

-you'd stored it in the garage for how many years?

-30 years.

0:53:080:53:11

So when I saw it, it wasn't distressed,

0:53:110:53:14

it was completely clapped out.

0:53:140:53:15

-It was, wasn't it?

-It was.

0:53:150:53:18

It was completely clapped out. At that time I said,

0:53:180:53:20

"Well, look, you know, Cartier maybe."

0:53:200:53:22

And then you submitted it to Cartier and they spent the time,

0:53:220:53:25

and it has been a labour of love for them, I believe.

0:53:250:53:28

-Absolutely.

-So, I also see you've brought along a photograph.

0:53:280:53:31

-Indeed.

-Now tell me a bit about the photograph.

0:53:310:53:34

Well, the very dapperly dressed young man is Great Uncle Bert,

0:53:340:53:38

my great uncle who acquired the watch

0:53:380:53:41

when he worked for a gentlemen's club in London,

0:53:410:53:43

and this little tinker that he's holding the hand of is our father.

0:53:430:53:47

-Our father.

-Mum's husband.

-I can't see the likeness.

0:53:470:53:51

THEY LAUGH

0:53:510:53:53

-He was much more handsome than I am.

-I wouldn't pass comment.

0:53:530:53:56

THEY LAUGH

0:53:560:53:58

And so the watch came down the family line,

0:53:580:54:01

and sadly our father isn't with us, but he was alive long enough

0:54:010:54:06

to actually find out that it was a genuine Cartier.

0:54:060:54:09

Well, now, OK, so let's talk a little bit more about it.

0:54:090:54:12

When we first saw it, there was so little information

0:54:120:54:15

that we had available, most important of which

0:54:150:54:17

was that the dial was so distressed that the name Cartier wasn't on it,

0:54:170:54:22

and that's why I was a little bit ambiguous - was it, wasn't it?

0:54:220:54:26

So here we can actually see the state of the dial

0:54:260:54:30

before restoration.

0:54:300:54:32

And it was dirty,

0:54:320:54:34

the numerals were all, half of them missing and also, as importantly,

0:54:340:54:40

the dial was twisted at the edge.

0:54:400:54:44

And then after they've restored it -

0:54:440:54:47

and it has been a bit of a job to get it looking like that.

0:54:470:54:50

So what they've done is that they have created by hand

0:54:500:54:54

a new winding stem.

0:54:540:54:56

So there's the original sapphire winding crown

0:54:560:54:59

and they have built a new winding stem for it.

0:54:590:55:02

That's not all, they have gone to their records

0:55:020:55:06

and they have found two hands, circa 1924, and they have then put those

0:55:060:55:12

hands on, to keep the originality, to keep the pedigree absolute.

0:55:120:55:18

The thing that really got me was that the original glass covering

0:55:180:55:24

the watch was just plexi-glass, I mean, it was just a modern copy.

0:55:240:55:28

What they've done is,

0:55:280:55:30

they've hand-ground a mineral glass to cover the dial.

0:55:300:55:34

They've polished the case and then, of course, what they've done,

0:55:340:55:37

they've put a strap on it

0:55:370:55:39

and they've put the original style of buckle on it,

0:55:390:55:42

but they've kept the integrity of the original watch there.

0:55:420:55:46

A Cartier watch, 1924, a "tank cintree",

0:55:460:55:50

meaning a sort of curved watch, an arched watch.

0:55:500:55:54

The other thing that I need to tell you is that the watch itself

0:55:540:55:57

was exceedingly rare.

0:55:570:55:59

Now, you will remember our dialogue

0:55:590:56:01

and you will remember we talked about the fact that I think

0:56:010:56:04

that you'd hoped it might be worth scrap value.

0:56:040:56:07

-Do you remember that?

-Yes!

0:56:070:56:09

Yes.

0:56:090:56:11

In my opinion, the watch is certainly worth a little bit

0:56:110:56:14

more than scrap price now.

0:56:140:56:16

When I saw it, I valued it - without really having too much to go on -

0:56:160:56:20

I said £5,000, still was quite a lot of money.

0:56:200:56:23

I assume that the cost of restoration has been pretty high,

0:56:230:56:27

to get all this work done.

0:56:270:56:28

I don't even want to ask you what it's cost to restore.

0:56:280:56:31

So what do we think it might be worth now?

0:56:310:56:34

We're hoping you'll give us real good news.

0:56:340:56:38

THEY LAUGH

0:56:380:56:40

Yes, I thought you might.

0:56:400:56:42

Well, taking all this into account, recognising the integrity

0:56:430:56:47

and the beauty and the wearability - £40,000 to £50,000.

0:56:470:56:52

Oh, my God! There you go!

0:56:520:56:55

-It was worth getting fixed.

-Definitely.

0:56:550:56:57

HE LAUGHS

0:56:570:56:59

It's one of the most remarkable stories

0:56:590:57:02

and it's one of the most remarkable Roadshow things I've ever filmed.

0:57:020:57:05

I'm quite emotional when I look at it now,

0:57:050:57:07

and I just think you're so lucky.

0:57:070:57:10

-It's wonderful.

-It is.

0:57:100:57:13

That's the kind of story we like on the Roadshow,

0:57:150:57:17

a great object, a fascinating tale and a happy ending.

0:57:170:57:21

A perfect Roadshow moment.

0:57:210:57:22

From the team here at Hillsborough Castle, until next time, bye-bye.

0:57:220:57:26

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