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Welcome to a brand-new series of the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
marking an incredible 35 years on British television. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
And today we've come to a residence literally fit for a queen - | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
the Queen's royal residence in Northern Ireland - | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Hillsborough Castle. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
This handsome Georgian country house was built | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
by the First Earl of Hillsborough in 1788. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
In 1925, shortly after the partition of Ireland, it was | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
bought by the British Government and became the official residence | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
of the Governor of Northern Ireland, as well as the royal family. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
Since then, they've regularly used Hillsborough as their personal | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
and ceremonial base in Northern Ireland. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
When we were making preparations for this programme, we found out | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
that a very special visit was being arranged for the same week. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
Her Majesty the Queen visited Hillsborough Castle, attending the | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
annual garden party as part of her official visit to Northern Ireland. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
She's stayed here regularly since her first visit in 1945. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
And before she left, Her Majesty and Prince Philip chose to | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
drop in to see us as we were preparing for the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
After a private conversation with our experts, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
it was time for the royal party to leave, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
for the next part of the visit to Northern Ireland. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
Well, that was certainly an honour for the Roadshow | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
and what a great way to kick off our brand-new series. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
We'll find out a little bit more about what our royal visitors | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
had to say later in the programme. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
But now it's time to welcome our other guests - | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
the people of Northern Ireland, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
many of whom are taking this chance to see Hillsborough Castle - | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
now under the care of Historic Royal Palaces. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
It's a perfect - if slightly wet - backdrop | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
as our team get ready to find more treasures. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
So a great piece of jewellery by Hattie Carnegie. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
What attracted you to it? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
I just loved it, as soon as I saw it. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
I walked around the vintage fair and I came back and I was like, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
"I have to get that". It just blew me away. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
If those were diamonds... | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
-Yeah. -..we'd be talking... | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
-Really? -..20,000, 30,000. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -But of course, they're not diamonds. -Yeah. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
Hattie was born in Vienna in Austria, went to the States | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
in 1900 and seemingly she had a very difficult Austrian name, so she said | 0:02:55 | 0:03:01 | |
to somebody on the boat, "So who's the wealthiest man in America?" | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
and they said, "Andrew Carnegie" so she said, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
-"Right, I'll be Hattie Carnegie from now on." -Yes. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
And she was very successful. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
She set up a shop in 1909 and by 1929, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
-she had an annual turnover of 3.5 million. -Wow! | 0:03:16 | 0:03:23 | |
Very successful. She died in the late '50s. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
-It's actually just a little bit later than that... -OK. -..when the company was still going, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
so it's from the '60s. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
It's costume jewellery and just between you and me - | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
not telling anyone else - what did you pay for it? | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
£130. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
-You paid £130 for bits of glass and metal. -I didn't care. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
-You didn't care. -I didn't tell my husband, I didn't tell him. -Oh, he'll never know. No, he'll never know! | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
So you paid - because you just loved it. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
-I did, yeah. -Your heart ruled your head. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Yes, indeed, yes. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Well, it's worth between 400 and 500. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Thank you so much! Really? Wow! | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
I've two daughters and I don't know what I'm going to do with it. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
Oh, there's going to be a fight. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
Now at first glance, it would appear that I'm about to | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
launch into a valuation on a wicker basket, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
but let's be honest... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
It's quite old, actually. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
It is quite old but the contents are far more exciting. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
And I think it's worth revealing | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
exactly what we're talking about here. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
Produced from that little basket is a super stylish girl. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
But tell me, where did she come from? | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
She came from London in the 1930s. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
And who acquired her? | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
My father-in-law, whom I never knew, and he was a tea merchant in the | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
City of London and I think during his lunch hour and spare time he | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
used to potter out around galleries and antique shops and there | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
were quite a lot of little things he bought, all that were portable, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
more or less, and brought home, and that's where she came from. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
So he was a connoisseur of means. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Yes, not great means, but probably things like that were not | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
very expensive then - I don't know. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
-Oh, no, this would have been. -It would? -This would have been a considered purchase. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
And the interesting thing is, you sort of commented, the 1930s | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
and made reference to galleries and antique shops, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
but actually, this figure will date from around 1925. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:34 | |
Ah, well, that would be feasible. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
And then would have been a brand-new item that would have been retailed | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
in a rather smart gallery, and what we're looking at here | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
is a wonderful example of that classic period. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
-1925, you know, the launch of Art Deco as we now know it. -Yes. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
And actually manufactured by - for me - | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
one of the leading exponents of this type of work, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
which of course is Demetre Chiparus and actually very clearly | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
we do have, just to the reverse here, running along the back... | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
..a signature that's just smuggled away in the top of this base and | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
it's a wonderful base as well, it's a base for me that is architectural. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
It's reminiscent of the skyline that was springing up | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
in New York at the time and she is absolutely from that period. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
And she's actually known as Starlight | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
and is one of a range of figures that Chiparus | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
created in a period that many sort of see was his golden era. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
He was being heavily influenced by the likes of the Ballets Russes, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
the new cinema that was coming through, avant-garde theatre - | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
and as a result there was a production of countless | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
stylised girls in dancing poses wearing the most wonderful dresses. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:52 | |
It's a classic piece of its day | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
and obviously a piece that captured your father-in-law's eye. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
So in terms of value - well, this figure today is attractive. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:05 | |
-It was actually the smaller model of two. -Yes, I thought so. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
There is one double the size which is considerably more, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
but this one would easily fetch at auction | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
between £10,000 and £15,000. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
Right, that's very nice to know. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Now, I don't want to raise your hopes too much, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
but this really is probably the most unusual wall clock I've ever seen. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
Is it something you've had for many years? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
It's something that has been in our collection for about three years. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
Sorry, your collection? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Yes, I'm the Keeper of Collections at Milford House Museum in Armagh | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
and in 2012, Her Majesty's Customs and Revenue gifted us | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
most of the contents of Somerset House in London | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
and this clock was among the pieces that came from Somerset House. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
Wow! Did you have to make a payment for it? | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
No, everything was gifted to us, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
to be held in trust for society for the benefit of the nation. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
I think I'd better start a museum and get one or two | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
things from HMRC! I think that sounds absolutely fantastic. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
Well, let's have a look at the name. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
Alexander Cumming of London. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
He was actually born in Edinburgh and then moved down to London | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
and was working in the Bond Street area, really, throughout | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
the 1780s and 1790s. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
He died actually in - I think - 1814, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
but a maker of great repute, fellow of the Royal Society, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
clockmaker to King George, everything you ever want. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
-Have you ever seen anything like it before? -No. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
And we know that it's unusual - we don't know why it's unusual. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
Well, I will try and help you out on that. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
As I said, he's a maker of great repute | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
and when it comes to his wall clocks, we tend to think of them as | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
having the flat, square silver dials, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
or with a shallow arch, with what we call a hooded wall clock, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
that would have finished at about there. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Would have been smaller than this. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
So a precision wall clock | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
and the extraordinary thing is, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
there's no depth to it, it's only about that deep. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
So have you tried getting that pendulum on and off in there? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Er, yes, I have, yes, with difficulty. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
With great difficulty, I bet. It's lovely, absolutely gorgeous. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
Now how many houses it's been into, or premises, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
I really don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me at all | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
if it was a special commission for one of the big London places. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
I believe it was made for Somerset House. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
For Somerset House - it makes absolute sense, absolute sense. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
So we have canted corners | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
and then these lovely side mouldings here and also at the base. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
So it would have been in very much a room that was seen from all angles. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:48 | |
You're very lucky to have it. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
Did they tell you, when they sent it up, what they thought it was worth? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
No. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
Do you have any idea? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Er no. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
No, OK. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Good clocks at the moment are really flying high | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
and this is the sort of thing that any collector will want. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
At auction, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
£15,000 to £20,000. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
-Really? -That's why I said I want to start a museum. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Seriously? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
-Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Oh, my goodness. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
It is - it's a one-off. I've never seen anything like it. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
15 to 20...? | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
Yeah, and as we say in our business, "find another" and you never will. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
# Rain, rain, rain, rain, beautiful rain | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
# Rain, rain, rain, rain, beautiful rain | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
# Oh, come to me, beautiful rain. # | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
It's not very often - in fact, I think it might it might be the | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
first time - that I've had a doll brought into the Roadshow by a man. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
I hastily add it's not mine, it's my mother's. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
-Right. -OK. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Tell me what you know about it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
All I know is, it was posted to my mother in 1934 by an uncle | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
living in America, specifically Florida. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
Mum, for her third birthday, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
asked her Uncle Harry in Florida for a Shirley Temple doll and hence... | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
She obviously liked Shirley Temple. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
Very much so, yes. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
So we have a vinyl doll, looking just like Shirley Temple. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:34 | |
They came in various sizes. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
She has a lovely little wig which is actually made of mohair, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
which is a mountain goat. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
She has limbs which are jointed at the hip and the shoulder | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
and she has a turning head, so she's a seriously-made doll. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
Then you have the wonderful little dress with a lot of work in it. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
It's handmade with a little label saying, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
"Shirley Temple, Ideal Novelty Company, New York" - can't get better than that. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
It happens to have been made and designed by someone in 1934, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
by Bernard Lipfert. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
The Ideal Novelty Company of New York - | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
which started in 1907 - by the '30s they not only did Shirley Temple, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:18 | |
they did Deanna Durbin, Judy Garland, and various other famous | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
actresses that people loved and that's why they collected the dolls. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
Excellent. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
It's absolutely a child's dream. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
She's going to be worth, altogether - | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
including the clothes, because that really does make a difference, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
and the badge - we're talking about £800 to £1,000. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
My goodness! OK, thank you very much, lovely. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
-I hope your mother will be pleased. -She will be, yes! Thank you very much. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
Now I'm looking at handsome naval officers, medals, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
obviously a very important story. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Who's the chap I'm holding? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:01 | |
That's my grandfather, Alfred Thomas Cook, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
known in the family as Grandpa Doon. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
OK. Now, he's a naval officer, what's the story? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Well, the story is that in the Second World War, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
he was the captain of the Medway Queen. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Ah, now I can almost take over there. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
Go to 1940, go to those dark days, go to Dunkirk | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
and all those troops trying to be got off the beaches. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
The Medway Queen was a famous Thames paddle steamer, shallow draught, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
she could get right into the beaches and could load soldiers straight off | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
the beaches and then can ferry them out to the deeper, bigger ships. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
That's right. They saved 7,000 soldiers, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
which was a huge number, in seven sorties back on to the beaches. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
-It doesn't bear thinking about, does it? -Holding it all together - amazing. -And this is what he got? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
And he got the Distinguished Service Cross for his services | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
during that particular event, and the ship itself was named | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
The Heroine of Dunkirk because she was the big one that went right in. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
-And she survived. -And she survived. -Very good, so that's your grandpa. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
-Yeah. -Move on - who's this handsome chap? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
Well, this handsome chap is my dad, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Lionel Aubrey Cook, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:12 | |
and he was in the Merchant Navy at the same time and he was | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
in the war travelling north in October 1942 on the MV Brittany. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
-Right. -And as they came north, their course was meant to be straight to | 0:14:23 | 0:14:29 | |
Liverpool, but they were detoured slightly into the Bay of Biscay. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
Coming south, the other convoy had a troop carrier with my grandfather captaining it. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
-Hang on a minute. -Sorry. -So your grandfather and your father were passing at sea? | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
Yes, they were passing at sea in the middle of the war. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
-Unknown to each other. -Unknown, and the reason is clear now, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
because they were to draw the Wolfpacks - the submarines, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
German submarines - away from...they were a decoy. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
So the main convoy was going to - was part of the attack on Africa, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
-the North African attack. -Yes. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
And they were put in harm's way to the extent that virtually all | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
the ships in the little convoy were torpedoed that night | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
on 22nd October 1942, and my father was | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
the officer of the watch that night, saw the first torpedo strike, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
saw a second one hit the lifeboats as they were being launched. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
The ship turned right over on its hull. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
He was running along the keel, the ship started to sink, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
he was sucked down with the ship and I shouldn't be here today, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
but the ship was carrying bales of cotton, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
so the only theory my dad can give is that as the ship went down, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
sucking him with it, bales of cotton came bobbing up out of the hold. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
And one of them must have caught him and brought him up to the surface, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
because the next thing he knew, he was on the surface, he saw | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
a half-wrecked lifeboat, got himself into it, and then proceeded to | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
rescue people as they were floating past and he kept them alive | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
in the boat for over 24 hours until they were luckily rescued. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
And for that, he received the medals here. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
That's an astonishing story. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
I mean, it's all about chance, isn't it? | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
-Yeah. -What are the drawings? | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Well, when he survived he was brought to Liverpool | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
and he was in hospital, he was seriously ill, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
and as he was recovering - he had told us this story all | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
through his life, but what we didn't know was that he was also | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
putting down the story as a memory by way of these cartoons - and | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
he drew these cartoons in hospital which depict the whole incident. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
I mean, it's a sequence, isn't it? The ship, the torpedoing. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
Second torpedo, the escape nets, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
the ship beginning to roll over, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
the ship upside down, he's running along the keel, though he isn't... | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
-Yes. -..getting into the water, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
and then finally in the lifeboat. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
-Yeah. -I mean... and you didn't know these existed? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
No, it was amazing when we found them. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
-After his death. -Absolutely, yeah. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
So you've got a record of that extraordinary incident here. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
That's right and we've got the MBE | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
-and we have the Lloyd's Medal for Bravery. -Which is a very rare medal. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Which is the special one. There are only 540 in existence | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
and therefore this, to us, is a very special tribute to my dad. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
And, of course, it is an amazing family story. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
The value, of course, is in the medals | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
and I'm sure you're aware of that. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
-Yeah. -Just going through them, your grandfather's | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
Distinguished Service Cross, because of the connection with | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
the Medway Queen and that incident, is £2,000 to £3,000. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
The Lloyd's Medal is surprisingly not that valuable, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
they're very rare. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
If that was a VC it would be, well, you know... | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
But it's still £1,000. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
The MBE, a wartime MBE, and again because of the incident, is probably | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
about the same, so you're looking at £5,000 for the medals. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Well, it's an amazing thing. For us, it's just | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
the knowledge that this will be handed down through the years. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
We now have a grandson | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
and hopefully it will go from our sons to our grandsons. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
-They must never be lost. -We'll never forget. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Tea sets have been a bit of a dead duck on the market | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
for quite a long while. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
However, there are exceptions. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
But how did you come by it? | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
It came to me from my mother | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
and we believe it came to her from her father before her. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
Beyond that, I know nothing about it. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Well, that would make perfect sense. I mean, this is just so stylish. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
What's so remarkable is that, of course, the design was actually | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
registered in 1880. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
I thought it might have been the 1920s or '30s. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
I'm not surprised, that's what most people think, because this fits | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
so much more happily with Art Deco than it does with high | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Victorian art, and no wonder | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
because, and the answer lies... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
there. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
And what we've got there is the facsimile | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
-signature of Dr Christopher Dresser. -Right. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
Now, he was way ahead of his time from the point of view of design. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
In fact, I mean, he was just amazing, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
introducing functionalism into design. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
But he sold designs to different companies and in this case, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
there's the design registration, which is | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
actually from the 1880s, and there we've got the marks of Dixon. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:11 | |
Dixon and Company, very important, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
and they commissioned the series, mostly tea services | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
from Dresser, about 30 or 40 designs. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
And they are amongst the most sought-after of all Dresser pieces. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:26 | |
So, the condition here is absolutely wonderful, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
but we do need to consider, of course, Dr Christopher Dresser, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Dixons...I mean, a facsimile signature, which is so rare. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
-It's electroplate, of course. -Yes. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
As to value, I would say in today's market, at auction, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
the estimate would be between £3,000 and £5,000. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
-Wow! -OK. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
And if it went beyond that, I wouldn't be in the slightest | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
-bit surprised because it's in such wonderful condition. -Super. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
-This man here is your grandfather. -That's right. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
He has a very special connection to Hillsborough Castle | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
-behind us. -Yes. -Tell me about it. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
He was aide de camp to the first Governor of Northern Ireland | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
at the very beginning of Northern Ireland, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
and his duties were to organise security at all state events. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
This is your grandfather here. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
-We've got the Duke of York, who went on to become George VI. -Yes. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
-And this is the Governor. -Yes. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
The Duke of Abercorn, and here the Duchess of York | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
became Queen Elizabeth and then, of course, the Queen Mother. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
-So, he obviously met very important people here in his job. -Yes. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
Now, I have here a proclamation. Now, this is a proclamation | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
-when King George VI died... -Yes. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
-..and Queen Elizabeth II acceded to the throne. -Yes. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Now, what did your grandfather have to do with this proclamation? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
He read out that proclamation in Derry at the Guildhall, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
at the same time as it was read out here, I think | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
by the Governor at Hillsborough. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
And I can see here the little marks he put in... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
-Yes, his breathing marks. -..where he can take a breath, yes. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
-Yes, exactly. -So this must have been quite a moment for him. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Absolutely, it was a huge moment, yeah. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
-Now, you might be aware that the Queen was here yesterday. -Yes. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
And she heard that this proclamation was going to be | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
brought along to the programme today, and I'm told that | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
she expressed a particular interest in hearing it, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
so if she's watching the programme, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
-she'll be very interested in this, I think. -Good. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
This is an extraordinary manuscript of all the bones of the human | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
body, delineated as large as life. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
And it's dated 1770, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
"John Ward delineat" - that is | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
the Latin for having drawn it - and it is the most extraordinary thing. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
So, if we go into the first one here, we've got | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
a picture of the human skull, which is...I don't know... | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
-these things are almost surreal, aren't they? -Yeah. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
But they are quite incredible, and it goes on giving various views of | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
the human body, and here's a rather charming one of a baby in the womb. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
Now, I think this is copied, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
I don't think that this chap here who actually drew all these | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
knew very much about this, I think he was copying from somewhere else. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
It's an extraordinary thing, where does it come from? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
Well, it was found in Brownlow House in Lurgan, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
-that's the ancestral home of the Brownlow family. -Mm-hm. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
And it was damaged some time ago in an arson attack | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
and there's been various bits of restoration work done, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and the latest bit, about ten years ago, this was uncovered. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
-This was uncovered -Yeah. -What do you mean, it came out...? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
It was some brickwork in a wall and it was underneath the brickwork. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
And so how did it come to you? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
Well, that's what I'm saying, my son found it - he's the caretaker of the | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
house, so...and it was only brought here today as an afterthought. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
Bring it down and see. The other things that I brought down | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
have been sort of discarded. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
This is a bit of an afterthought, I have to say, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
but all these are original, it's a super thing to see, very exciting. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
I would have to value it at, what - £2,000, it's quite a find. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
£2,000? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
Dear, dear, dear - very good indeed. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
We're standing in the luscious grounds of Hillsborough, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
lovely green grass, beautiful trees, and you've brought in this | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
colourful picture by Wright Barker entitled Clearing the Forest. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
Can you tell me where it's come from? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
It was in my grandparents' house, in their lounge, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
and it's hung there as long as I can remember. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
It's always been in the family, so I wanted to know more about it. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
And we do know that my father purchased the painting in 1976 | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
from a local gallery and he paid £1,025. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
He obviously loved the picture, it was hanging in his house? | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
-Yeah.. -Yeah, very much so. -And are you enjoying it at home? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Well, we only had it up on one occasion, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
since for the last couple of years, we've taken the painting down. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
-It's so dominant in a room. -Is it a picture that you love? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Well, I've a lot of memories of it, obviously | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
being at my grandparents' house, I always remember it being up, but | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
it's a shame no-one sees it any more because it is quite spectacular. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
But it doesn't really match our house, I'm afraid. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
And, of course, it's an oil on canvas, painted in the 1890s. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
He had a studio in Owlerton in Yorkshire | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
so it might be one of the surrounding areas. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
Of course, there's a narrative here, it tells a story, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
and do you know what's going on here? | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
We would understand that it was painted in the late 19th century | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
and this was obviously men doing their daily work. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
Clearing the Forest, as you said, was the title of the painting. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-Yes. -The focus of the painting for us, and I know my father, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
was the expression on the horse's face, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
if there is such a thing, particularly the horse's eye. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Um, the eye, that rather scary eye on the main horse. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
Of course, he's being pushed back to where this big tree is going | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
to be pulled up and put onto the cart. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
So the noise, the sense of being pushed back, you can | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
tell that the horse is slightly fearsome of that. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Meanwhile, all his friends, which are beautifully depicted | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
here by Wright Barker, are waiting for their moment. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
Because this was an exhausting thing for the horses to do. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
Wright Barker was a great animal painter. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
There's a plaque on the picture that starts 1891 and then also | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
adds the date 1893, so I suspect this is painted around 1893. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
He starts exhibiting at the Royal Academy in 1891 | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
and he continues exhibiting at the Academy up to about 1935. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
Dies in 1941. So, in terms of valuation, this painting's certainly | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
-worth £6,000 to £8,000. -Wow! That's nice! | 0:25:36 | 0:25:42 | |
We are attached to the painting and we intend to hold on to it | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
and get somewhere more appropriate for it, maybe, then. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
-Maybe my house. -Maybe your house is right, yeah. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
How long has this watch been sitting in this box for? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
-I would say at least 40 years. -Have you ever worn it? | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
-No. -So what's it doing in there? | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
-Um, waiting to be valued, I suppose. -That's a good enough response, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
but it's such a sadness and I love this subject, and | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
time and time again these beautiful things I just don't feel are loved. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
It is the most magnificent watch in the hand - very, very heavy. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
Do you know what sort of watch we call this, with the case? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
I understand it's a half hunter. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
You're absolutely right, it's a half hunter, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
-in other words it's enclosed on the back. -Yes. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
And then you've got this small window at the front, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
which, if you were riding a horse, as you would have | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
done in the old days, before cars, you would have not had all | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
that open, so if you fell off your horse you didn't smash | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
-the glass but then you could just do that and...instant time. -Yes. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
But there's one or two more special things about this. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
-The instant giveaway, this button here and this slide there. -Yes. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:58 | |
Now, you must have had it out of the box at some stage. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
-Definitely, yes. -And so do you know what these things do? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Well, they tell you the time. If you happen to be blind, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
you can tell the time by sliding the slide, and it strikes the hours | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
and the quarters past the hour and the minutes past the quarter. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
Well, you're absolutely right, it should be a minute repeater | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
and this button at the top - have you ever used that one? | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
I think that's a stopwatch. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
You're absolutely right, it is a centre seconds chronograph, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
so I've just pressed that and it's started the seconds hand running. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
You've got a 30-minute recording dial at the top, stop there, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
reset it and it flicks back to zero. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
So you've got twin subsidiaries, the bottom one running seconds, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
and then your 30-minute recording. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
Now, I've said it's a fabulous watch in the hand. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
I see here...got some import marks. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
The top one says 18, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
which is .750 carats, | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
the other one to the left is the import mark and the N is | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
the London date letter of 1908, and it's come in through London. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:11 | |
And look at that movement, that is absolute...I'll pop | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
it down there. That is absolutely top-grade Swiss, the finest quality | 0:28:14 | 0:28:20 | |
Swiss. Jewelled to the centre, all the repeat work is jewelled. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:26 | |
The only thing that would make it better is if it was English | 0:28:26 | 0:28:32 | |
throughout, it would have been just the pinnacle, but this is lovely. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
I cannot fault it, not that I would want to, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
but everything is perfect, that dial is gorgeous, the movement super. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
When did you last hear it doing its repetition? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
-Probably seven or eight years ago. -Really? -Yes. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
-Gosh, so it really doesn't come out often, does it? -No, no. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
Advance the hands, move the slide, and let's hear it. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
WATCH RINGS | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
It's a little sluggish, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
but it would be if it hadn't been oiled for years and years and years. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
A bit like your car, anything mechanical needs to be looked after. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
Well, that was sent away to London on one occasion to be cleaned. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
How long ago? | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
Oh, more than 40 years, probably 50, 60 years. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
OK. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:32 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
You still can't expect it to perform beautifully after that time | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
without even an oil in 60 years. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Listen, it's top of the range, it's a gorgeous size. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
Retail - you're going | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
-to be paying at least £5,000 for it. -Right. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
And I know what you're going to do, once again, as everybody says, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
-it's going back in the box, back in the drawer. -That's right. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
I beg you to take it out more often, have it oiled and please enjoy it! | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thank you. -Thank you very much indeed. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
So it says on this bottle 1727 and I was just wondering | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
-if you knew it as a child? -No! | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
How do you know it? Come on, tell us. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
Um, I just bought it at a car-boot sale, about five years ago. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
-And what made you buy it? -Um, I just liked the seal. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
Well, I think the seal makes the beast. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
I mean, this is a bottle that's really, really of 1727. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
-It would be lovely to know - would it not - who HE was. Any idea? -No. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
-And what did you think it was? -I knew it was an old wine bottle. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
I thought it was quite old when I saw the date on it, but I wasn't sure. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
So, look, you lot, you're in the loop. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
It's a wine bottle, you're absolutely right, it's | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
a wine bottle that used to belong to somebody whose initials were HE, | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
and it was made in 1727. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
So you're at this boot fair, you see a bottle that you | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
recognise for what it is, and how much did you have to splash out? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
Er, £3.50. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
£3.50, you wild woman! So what does your husband think | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
when you come back with this junk from boot fairs? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
Oh, he's not too happy. All this junk I'm bringing home. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
Well, I'm telling you, I think he's going | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
to be in slightly better humour with you when he finds out that its | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
value is actually £2,500 to £3,000. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:32 | |
-Oh, my goodness! -Really?! Wow! -How's that, then? | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
-I can't believe it. -Aren't you the lucky girl? -Yes! | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
-Come on! -Thank you so much. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
-Isn't that great? -Yes, that's great, thank you very much. -Yes! | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
CLAPPING | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Yesterday I had the chance to introduce three of our experts | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
to Her Majesty the Queen, and Prince Philip, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
after they'd finished their stay here at Hillsborough Castle. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
Good morning, Your Majesty, Your Royal Highness. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Her Majesty has a particular family connection to the house. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
Between 1945 and 1952, her aunt, Lady Granville, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
lived at Hillsborough when her husband was Governor. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
Our experts have been researching | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
items in the Hillsborough collection | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
to discuss with Her Majesty, the Queen. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
We took the liberty of looking round the castle | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
and we found some things that actually relate to the family. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
The horse is after a very famous bronze sculptor called Mene | 0:32:31 | 0:32:37 | |
and it's the Derby winner of 1863. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
What I found out about the 1863 Derby is that it had 32 | 0:32:41 | 0:32:47 | |
-false starts. -Sounds very incompetent. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
'Once the conversation with Her Majesty the Queen was over, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
'and the Royal party had departed, I caught up with our experts.' | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Well, that was quite a moment for the Antiques Roadshow, and the Queen | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
seemed genuinely interested in hearing about those objects. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
Yes, she did. We talked about every object on the table | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
and everything we talked about seemed to get a real response, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
it was fabulous. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
The great thing, of course, was also her interest in the programme. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
-Well, I'm told she's a fan. -Oh, right. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
And the first thing that I spoke to Her Majesty about was | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
something with a family connection. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
And it's a little Christening cup. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
-Yes. -Amazing, isn't it? What was the relationship? | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
Lady Granville was my aunt, Queen Elizabeth's sister. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
Got left here, did it, by mistake? | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
-No. -Well, it's a fabulous story that Lord | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
and Lady Granville were crossing the Atlantic and the chief | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
engineer's wife produced the baby while they were all at sea | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
and Lady Granville said, "Well, I would like to give a Christening | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
"present and I'll be there at the Christening," and what's fabulous | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
is that there's a photograph of her actually at the Christening. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
Mm, amazing, isn't it? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
She's the lady who made the rose garden, a rather beautiful garden. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
When it comes to the family cup, that belonged to her aunt, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
didn't it? | 0:34:10 | 0:34:11 | |
To her mother's elder sister, who used to live here, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
so that was a straight connection. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
It's an eclectic collection of items, isn't it? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Yes, I think it's an extraordinary house. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
I think what we've done today is we've looked at things and, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
obviously with the help of Her Majesty, we've filled in some of the | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
details about those objects and in a sense that's what we're here for. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
And I guess that's what the Roadshow does best. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
What a lock! I mean, an amazing key. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
Can you imagine the door it came from? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
You don't happen to have that tucked away somewhere? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
-I mean, did you prise it off a door in your home? -Definitely not. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
-Where did you get it, then? -I found it on a skip. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
What, a skip in the street?! | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Yeah, we were working, came back next morning to load furniture, | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
and this here was in it. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
You were walking by and you looked in and you just noticed that? | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
We were putting stuff into it. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:05 | |
You were putting stuff in the skip and that's when you saw it. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
Somebody got there before us. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:09 | |
-You don't know the building it came from? -I've no idea. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
I mean, it's an extraordinary piece of Gothic revival. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
It's dated 1851, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
the year before Pugin died, who did the Houses of Parliament. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
Pierced brass, it's obviously ecclesiastical because of | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
the Latin inscription, and the key is superb, it's all pierced out. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:30 | |
The panel round the edge is all painted. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
People like William Burges, and as I said, Pugin, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
designed stuff like this, and it's that kind of quality. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
It would have been in some kind of Gothic mansion or folly, or | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
I almost think it would have been designed for a church. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
-So it's actually cost you nothing? -No. Is there any value in it? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
-Have you taken it anywhere? -No. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
I took it to a local locksmith where I found it and they offered me | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
a tenner for it. | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
A tenner? You were offered £10 for this? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
I would say the key might be worth at least £150, maybe £200. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:08 | |
And the whole kit caboodle, the whole thing, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
I would say £800 to £1,000. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
CROWD GASPS | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
And you found it in a skip. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
I think it's a fantastic thing, I really think it's wonderful. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
I love the fact it's made to look like a book. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
You don't want to buy it, no? | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:36:29 | 0:36:30 | |
-Well, that's not our job. -Oh, dear. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
You know, some people looking at this picture would think this | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
is very, very child-like and very primitive. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
To me, this is an absolute joy to see today. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
It is to me, too. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
And when I saw this, I knew straightaway who it was by, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
-James Dixon. -The very same, James Dixon, yeah, Tory Island. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
And Tory Island is off County Donegal? | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
It is, it's about 12 miles off the north coast. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
If you can imagine a map of Ireland. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
-Yes. -Up in the north west, go out 12 miles out into the sea | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
and you'll find Tory Island, it's a little rocky island. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
-And James Dixon, born on Tory Island... -Yeah. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
-..and died on Tory Island... -Yeah. -..is an Irish artist. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
-He certainly is, yeah. -And I think one of the greats. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
I think so too, yeah, he is the number one. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
There's this Tory School of Painting | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
but James Dixon is recognised as being big daddy. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
It's a joy to see | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
because you're looking at a perspective of an untrained artist. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
-Absolutely. -He's putting onto canvas what he sees with his eye | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
and feels with his heart and I just love the way | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
the figures are walking around on the harbour wall there. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
-I mean, they're almost Lowry-like, these. -They are. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
But just wonderful, and then the specks up here in the sky. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
-I think they might be chickens. -Chickens?! | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
-Might be, I'm not sure. -Well... -They look like chickens to me. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
It's a rather nice thought, actually. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
And in his early life he actually was a farmer and a fisherman, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
-wasn't he? -Yes, he was. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
Did you ever go to Tory Island? | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
Yeah, I went there several times. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
I went actually with Derek Hill, the painter, as a guest | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
and while I was there - this is 1968 - I met James Dixon and I watched | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
him painting and he painted... | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
He would paint a picture and he would | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
put it to the side because he'd just become popular, and he would | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
say, "There's another £10", and then he would start again. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
I said, "Jimmy, I like those two pictures" | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
that he'd just painted - this one and another one of the wasp. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
And I said...but I couldn't afford them, I was a penniless | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
youth at the time, so I grovelled through my pockets and I found | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
I had £1 and ten shillings - and he said, "That'll do". | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
So I bought the two pictures for £1, ten shillings. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
That, that's amazing, because when you look at this, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
he always inscribes his picture, and I see down the left-hand side | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
it's got, "The Marie, the first motor boat built on Tory Island." | 0:38:53 | 0:38:59 | |
-That's right. -I think he's the most extraordinary artist because | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
he didn't start painting until he was 72 years old. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
-Yeah. -And self-taught. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
I would love to own this, I really, really would. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
You can't have it. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
I'll give you two shillings for it. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
No, I think this is fantastic. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
If this came up today for sale, I know exactly what | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
it's worth, it's worth about £4,000 to £6,000. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Anyway, it's lovely to see it today. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
Thank you very much indeed, Dendy. Thank you. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
What on earth's happened to this box here? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
Last night when I took a ring out of the cupboard, I popped | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
it on the bed and when I turned round, my dog had it in his mouth. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
Goodness me, and so for all these years the box has been absolutely | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
fine and probably you've had the ring for a long time and then | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
suddenly it all happens the night before you come to the Roadshow. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
-Yes. -Isn't that just typical? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Well, thankfully he didn't get actually inside the box | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
and start to eat this beautiful ring that we've got here. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
What's the connection with you and the ring and the family? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
The family story goes that my husband's great-great-great- | 0:40:00 | 0:40:05 | |
-grandfather was quite wealthy and had servants. -Uh-huh. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
And during the time of the Crimean War, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
one of the maids became ill and as her husband was going off to | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
war, he asked my husband's ancestor if he could kindly look after | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
the maid for him, and when he returned from the war, the story | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
goes that he brought the ring with him, by way of saying thank you. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
That's a lovely story, isn't it? | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
And the fact that a piece of jewellery has been | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
given as a thank you. Jewellery is always associated with loving | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
sentiments, and then suddenly they've done such a super thing, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
looking after the maid, and they get this beautiful ring. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
And what's really lovely about it is, it's known as an "in fede" ring | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
which is a "hands in faith" ring, and as we see here, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
if we take a closer look at it, it closes | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
and the two hands come together and they are hands in faith. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
And it's more than likely that the ring is actually | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
English-made, as well. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
We can date the ring from the fact we've got lovely canitille work, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
which is very delicate gold bead work and rope work, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
around the garnets that are set in the ring, as well. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
The ring actually dates from the 1820s, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
so it's a beautiful, pretty ring. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
Thankfully, it hasn't been damaged by the dog. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
As far as value is concerned, naturally, a piece like this is, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
it's full of sentimental value for you and your family. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
Collectors at auction, because of the intricacy, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
the delicacy of it and the good condition of it, we're | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
looking at a value of between £1,000 and £1,500. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
-Gosh! Thank you very much. -My pleasure. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
Quirky, cool and more than a little bit kitsch are words | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
that I think I could use to describe these, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
which are original 1960s and '70s magazine illustrations, aren't they? | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
That's right, yes. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
And this white blank area here is of course where the text would | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
have gone for the magazine to tell the story. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
That's right, for the page of a magazine. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
Why on earth did you buy them? | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
I just thought they were beautiful, the colours and the artwork and | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
I appreciate that it was all hand-done and he had to | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
fill it in all by himself and they were actual works of art, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
in a sense. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
There's also quite a lot of skill in here, isn't there? | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
-When you look at how well they're done... -Fabulous. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
They really capture characters | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
of each of the individuals through here. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
I like the fact that the whole strip tells a story. One page | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
and that's what the magazine had to do, just to describe for the reader. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
But I think, for me, it's what's not said and what's not shown. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
I mean, here we have an old man | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
sort of lovingly cupping this much younger lady, and | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
I'm sort of wondering is he the boss and is she perhaps his secretary? | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
Is this an illicit affair? | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
So you have a story being told, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
but there's always something else, it's a snapshot in time, isn't it? | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
-That's exactly right. -I think for me, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
apart from just capturing a sort of moment in a story, and a | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
moment in time in that story, they capture a moment in style, as well. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
I mean, look at this lady here, leaning out of foliage. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
I mean this is so 1960s and even her telephone looks a little | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
-bit like a Pucci dress, doesn't it? -That's right, yes. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
With these wonderful colours and geometric shapes here | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
and, of course, this is all meant to be exotic | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
and evocative and romantic, I suppose. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
Looking at the subject matter here, you've got sort of this | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
illicit affair going on, this luscious lady sort of leaning out | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
of bushes there, and then here, this rather sort of James Bond character. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
This louche gentleman. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
It would have been nice perhaps to see some more sort of lithe | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
ladies and buxom beauties lurking round, or guns, or sports cars. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
Do you know which magazine they come from? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
I think it was Women's Illustrated but I'm not sure. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
He may have worked for quite a few other magazines. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
They remind you also of film posters at the time, but | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
in the case of this, I mean, you can just see the whole story there. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
Absolutely. This little vignette says so much, doesn't it? | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
I notice some of them are signed "Jac Mars" | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
and I've done a little bit of research and I can't | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
seem to find too much out about Jac Mars, who I presume is a he. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
And I think identifying something about the artist, and identifying | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
which magazine they came from, will sort of improve their value. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
They're not exactly everybody's cup of tea, though, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
so what did you pay for these sorts of things? | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
Did they come together? You've got what, sort of four or five here. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
We paid about 400 for them. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
Oh gosh! That's 400 for all of them, or are there more? | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
-Yeah, there's a few more. -How many more? -Another two or three more. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
OK, and it's not just you who likes them, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
plenty of other people do too and I can see, | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
depending on the subject matter, these fetching somewhere | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
in the region of sort of £50 or £150 each. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
-That's marvellous, yes. -So not a bad investment, really. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
But I really like them. If you like something, buy it. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
When the Antiques Roadshow was last in Northern Ireland, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
in 2011, our jewellery expert, John Benjamin, met a mother | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
and daughter who brought along a pair of rings | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
and a wristwatch that was in urgent need of TLC. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
It's in a mess, isn't it? It really, really is. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
My father says | 0:45:06 | 0:45:07 | |
it's worth something in scrap | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
and I thought, "I'll bring it along". | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
All right, well, first of all, I'm to start off by saying that | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
the bracelet is simply white metal, it's steel, | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
so there's no scrappage there, I'm sorry to say. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
-Not signed. -Oh, right. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
But the movement is by something called the European Watch | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
and Clock Company Ltd. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
They used to make movements for a company called Cartier. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
CROWD: Ooh! | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
Oh, no! I don't.. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
-Are you ready? -I thought he was going to say "French"! | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
-No, I'm not, I'm not! Hold my hand! -Are you ready? -It'll be all right. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:43 | |
£5,000. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
What needs to happen with that, it needs to be restored, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
it also needs to go to Cartier | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
so that they can state categorically that it is their watch. | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
Thank you very much, John! | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
CLAPPING | 0:46:02 | 0:46:03 | |
You're a wee dear, You're a treasure! | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
I remember you both so well, and the watch, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
because it was in some terrible state, wasn't it? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
BOTH: Yes. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:15 | |
But John wasn't entirely sure, couldn't be 100% sure | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
that it was authentically by Cartier. So what happened next? | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
What did you do? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:23 | |
My mother agreed that my brother and I could go to London and take | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
a trip to Bond Street, to Cartier, and we made an appointment and they | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
were able to inspect it and they confirmed it was in fact Cartier. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:37 | |
So, it was great news. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
What was the harder thing was | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
whether or not it could actually be repaired. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
It looked like you'd taken a hammer to it or something. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
So they had to spend some time thinking about that, did they? | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
Well, they did a full appraisal on it | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
and in fact the watch was shipped away to Geneva in Switzerland. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
And this watch, just remind me now, | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
because this watch was given in lieu of a debt, wasn't it, originally? | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
Remind me of the story, yes. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:03 | |
Our great uncle worked as a maitre d' in one of the gentlemen's | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
clubs in London and one of the gentlemen ran up a substantial bill | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
and he couldn't pay his account at the end of the quarter. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
And my uncle had asked him, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
"Would you have anything of value that you could sell?" | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
and he said he had a watch and three rings and he brought them in, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
and my uncle looked at them and agreed to purchase them | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
and settled the gentleman's debt! | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
-So this is effectively a bar bill now? -Yes! -This watch. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
Well, here it is, so it went to Geneva and it was restored. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
I mean, look at it now. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
It's just absolutely unrecognisable from what it was. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
-Unbelievable. -It is, truly beautiful, yeah. -It's handsome. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
So they've done an extraordinary amount of work on it. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
Absolutely. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
There was over 50 craftsmen and artisans working on the watch. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Well, I think John Benjamin's the man you need to see, is it? | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
Because he's the one who started you on this journey. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
-That's correct. -Yes. -Absolutely. Yes, indeed. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
Right, so John Benjamin it is. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
Good, we're delighted! | 0:48:04 | 0:48:05 | |
-This is the most wonderfully tactile object. -Yes. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
The feel of that, it's beautiful. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
But do you know what it's for? | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
Haven't a clue. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:15 | |
Possibly something to...there's a grater inside it, possibly? | 0:48:15 | 0:48:21 | |
Indeed, that's just...there we are, so there's the grater | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
And at the other end, I love the fact there's that | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
beautifully shaped little hole. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
So once you've grated then, obviously with that shut, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:38 | |
then it all comes through into that end, so what comes through? | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
No idea, you tell me! | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
Well, at this sort of period, it's... | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
-Some people do argue that they're tobacco rasps. -Right. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
-Other people for nutmeg. -Yes. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
-There are two schools of thought. -Yes. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
And nutmeg, of course, was an extraordinarily expensive spice. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
-Right. -So you had to be jolly wealthy to have something like this. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
-Oh, right. -And this is so beautifully done here. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
And it disguises perfectly where the hinge runs. It's only | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
when you open it that you can really just see there where | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
the hinge actually operates. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
What about date, though? | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
No idea, there's no marks on it | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
so wasn't even sure whether it was silver or... | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
Well, yes, I would suggest that it's the best part of 300 years old. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
Really? Oh, my goodness, right. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
We're looking at the early 1700s. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
-As early as that? -Yes. -Oh, wow. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
It might just be William III. I think it's more likely to | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
be into Queen Anne. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
I wouldn't like to go any later than George I. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
My goodness! | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
So a wonderful object, very collectable, beautifully made. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
Silver without a single mark. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
It's a tricky one to value. I have not seen one quite like this before. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:05 | |
Oh, right. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
So any nutmeg grater collector would give their eye teeth for it. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
Oh, right. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:14 | |
It's a rare early example, assuming it is a nutmeg grater, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
but then they go for the tobacco rasps as well. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
I think in the right sort of sale | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
you'd be hard-pushed to buy that | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
under £1,500, £2,000. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
Oh, my goodness, that's good news. Thank you very much. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
You know what? | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
This says "Art Nouveau" in a way that...things like the | 0:50:35 | 0:50:40 | |
Folies Bergere, Renoir paintings. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
This fits into that wild Parisian | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
life of 1900 that is just Cezanne | 0:50:48 | 0:50:54 | |
and Monet and all that, isn't it? | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
I mean, it's just Art Nouveau in letters as big as you like. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
So how do you know it? Where does it come into your life? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
Actually, 40 years ago, this very year, a lady gave it to me. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
She was a housekeeper for a clergyman and I lived in a little | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
village in Donegal, and at that time I'd come through a bad period | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
and she was giving me things to cheer me up, like clothes and stuff. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
Give it to me! I'm feeling a bit miserable... | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:51:23 | 0:51:24 | |
So she gave me this vase and I've looked after it | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
and moved nine times and this vase has always been | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
put down wherever I go. I just brought it here today | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
because I just wondered, like, you know, where it originated. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
Well, it's French and it comes from Alsace, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
which was the centre of French glass-making at the time. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
It's interesting that you've owned it for 40 years | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
because it's one of the consistent things I've found today, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
is that where I come from, there's a product that would help this vase | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
that you clearly don't have here. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
-We call it washing-up liquid. -Yeah! | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
Because this is the most exotic vase... | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
Oh, yeah, there's a feather in it! | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
Put... That's a feather in your cap. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
Yeah, this is absolutely filthy and it would look so much nicer | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
if you got round to washing it. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
And it's not worth a fortune, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
it's probably by a French art glass maker called Le Gras in about 1900. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:26 | |
-Right. -At auction it would fetch at least a couple of hundred quid. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
Lovely, that's great! | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
Bearing in mind that washing-up liquid's about a ha'penny, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
you could really help this along. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
I need to get my feather back, I've lost it. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
You were talking to Fiona a little earlier, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
-and here we are again ,three years down the line? -That's right. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
-Unbelievable. -It is unbelievable how time's gone by, but also, I mean, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
looking at that, presented here like that, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
is it truly the same watch? | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
-Yes. -Hard to believe. -Isn't it hard to believe? -It is. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
It really has been a magical... I mean, the whole thing was | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
-magic, really, wasn't it? -It was. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
Because just to remember rightly, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
-you'd stored it in the garage for how many years? -30 years. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
So when I saw it, it wasn't distressed, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
it was completely clapped out. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:15 | |
-It was, wasn't it? -It was. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
It was completely clapped out. At that time I said, | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
"Well, look, you know, Cartier maybe." | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
And then you submitted it to Cartier and they spent the time, | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
and it has been a labour of love for them, I believe. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
-Absolutely. -So, I also see you've brought along a photograph. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
-Indeed. -Now tell me a bit about the photograph. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
Well, the very dapperly dressed young man is Great Uncle Bert, | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
my great uncle who acquired the watch | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
when he worked for a gentlemen's club in London, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
and this little tinker that he's holding the hand of is our father. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
-Our father. -Mum's husband. -I can't see the likeness. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
-He was much more handsome than I am. -I wouldn't pass comment. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
And so the watch came down the family line, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
and sadly our father isn't with us, but he was alive long enough | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
to actually find out that it was a genuine Cartier. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
Well, now, OK, so let's talk a little bit more about it. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
When we first saw it, there was so little information | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
that we had available, most important of which | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
was that the dial was so distressed that the name Cartier wasn't on it, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
and that's why I was a little bit ambiguous - was it, wasn't it? | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
So here we can actually see the state of the dial | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
before restoration. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
And it was dirty, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
the numerals were all, half of them missing and also, as importantly, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:40 | |
the dial was twisted at the edge. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
And then after they've restored it - | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
and it has been a bit of a job to get it looking like that. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
So what they've done is that they have created by hand | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
a new winding stem. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
So there's the original sapphire winding crown | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
and they have built a new winding stem for it. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
That's not all, they have gone to their records | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
and they have found two hands, circa 1924, and they have then put those | 0:55:06 | 0:55:12 | |
hands on, to keep the originality, to keep the pedigree absolute. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:18 | |
The thing that really got me was that the original glass covering | 0:55:18 | 0:55:24 | |
the watch was just plexi-glass, I mean, it was just a modern copy. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
What they've done is, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
they've hand-ground a mineral glass to cover the dial. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
They've polished the case and then, of course, what they've done, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
they've put a strap on it | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
and they've put the original style of buckle on it, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
but they've kept the integrity of the original watch there. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
A Cartier watch, 1924, a "tank cintree", | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
meaning a sort of curved watch, an arched watch. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
The other thing that I need to tell you is that the watch itself | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
was exceedingly rare. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
Now, you will remember our dialogue | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
and you will remember we talked about the fact that I think | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
that you'd hoped it might be worth scrap value. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
-Do you remember that? -Yes! | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
Yes. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
In my opinion, the watch is certainly worth a little bit | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
more than scrap price now. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
When I saw it, I valued it - without really having too much to go on - | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
I said £5,000, still was quite a lot of money. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
I assume that the cost of restoration has been pretty high, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
to get all this work done. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:28 | |
I don't even want to ask you what it's cost to restore. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
So what do we think it might be worth now? | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
We're hoping you'll give us real good news. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
Yes, I thought you might. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
Well, taking all this into account, recognising the integrity | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
and the beauty and the wearability - £40,000 to £50,000. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:52 | |
Oh, my God! There you go! | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
-It was worth getting fixed. -Definitely. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
It's one of the most remarkable stories | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
and it's one of the most remarkable Roadshow things I've ever filmed. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
I'm quite emotional when I look at it now, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
and I just think you're so lucky. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
-It's wonderful. -It is. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
That's the kind of story we like on the Roadshow, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
a great object, a fascinating tale and a happy ending. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
A perfect Roadshow moment. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:22 | |
From the team here at Hillsborough Castle, until next time, bye-bye. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 |