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Welcome to the citadel famed for its springs.

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You could read that motto in Latin, couldn't you?

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This was once the most popular spa town in the land.

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With so many guests paying for expensive treatment,

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they needed somewhere to be entertained,

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and in 1903 they got it -

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The Kursaal.

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Welcome back to Harrogate, in North Yorkshire.

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Kursaal, originally a German word, means "Cure Hall",

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and in Edwardian England it became a byword for healthy amusements.

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And this is where they happened -

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in this grand hall designed by Robert Beale and Frank Matcham,

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who also created one of our former venues, Blackpool Tower Ballroom.

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Rather less flamboyant,

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but still gilded within an inch of its life,

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this reflects the refinement demanded by its well-heeled patrons.

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And the entertainment never stopped.

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From 7:45 in the morning till late at night,

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there were operatic productions, orchestras, tea dances,

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and stars of stage and screen.

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Now known as the Royal Hall,

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over the years it's hosted many star-filled nights

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with bands such as the Beatles and Duke Ellington,

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various figures like Ernest Shackleton,

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and diverse political opinion was represented here,

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with meetings held by the suffragettes

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and Oswald Mosley and his Blackshirts...

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..and if you were lucky enough to be able to afford a box seat,

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there was one rather wonderful design feature.

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So that nothing could prevent you from mingling freely

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with the guests up and down the promenade here

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and then just popping in to see the entertainment

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down there on the floor,

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you could literally lift up this entire wall.

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The Royal Hall underwent a major renovation in 2008

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and is now as splendid as it ever was.

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Owned by Harrogate Council,

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it's been home to lots of crowd-pleasers.

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Today our own stars are seated in these elegant niches.

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Let's see how they're entertaining our visitors from Harrogate.

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So we're in a very, very ornate hall,

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and we look at this, which is a very, very ornate clock.

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-Yes, indeed. Yes.

-Now, before I tell you about it,

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can you enlighten me as to who Mr Johnson was?

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PC John Johnson retired from the West Auckland police force in 1902.

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This was a memento given to him by the local community

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of St Helen's in West Auckland.

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It was passed to my grandfather, passed to my father,

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and now it's in my possession.

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Well, it was a very generous present,

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and that is when it would have been made -

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-it was new in 1902.

-Right.

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-It's French.

-Yep.

-Have you looked at the back?

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Do you know if there's any maker's marks or anything?

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It's Japy Freres - if that's the correct pronunciation?

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Japy Freres, yes, the Japy brothers, produced...

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Very, very prolific makers of movements in Paris.

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Very prolific, along with various other factory makers.

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And another...

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Let me just show you...

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the Japy stamp,

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which is just hidden behind the pendulum.

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And the giveaway that it is a 20th-century clock

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-is the stamp "made in France".

-OK.

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That is something that came in at around that date.

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But what I love about this is you've got the dial centre,

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you've got the bezel, you've got the columns,

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you've got the mercury pendulum,

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you've got everything done in this wonderful multicoloured enamel.

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-Right.

-This is typical of the French champleve enamel.

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You get a bit of metal

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and, if you like, you scoop it out

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-and then you put in the enamel and fire it.

-Right.

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Now, at the moment...

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the Chinese particularly like enamel.

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So these sort of clocks

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have done very, very well - A, in the saleroom,

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-and, B, retail.

-OK.

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And this is about as good as it gets,

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because we would normally expect to see these

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in a normal square-section case with glass.

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This is a cut above the average.

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It would walk £3,000 at auction,

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no problem at all.

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And retail...

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some people would be asking closer to 6,000.

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-Good grief.

-So don't drop it on the way home.

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Well, yeah! Thank you.

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We absolutely love it in the family, we really do,

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because it's so clever,

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and it shows that the craftsman was so imaginative

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to be able to create it like this.

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-I mean, it's a family piece? You just bought it...?

-It is, it is.

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My husband's grandfather bought it in the '60s.

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He had an interest in antiques

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and, I think, spotted this and thought, actually,

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I'll take another look at that and see how interesting it is.

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My first reaction is, is it Salvador Dali?

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-SHE LAUGHS

-No, I think it's the work

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of someone very creative who likes a challenge.

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What is extraordinary about it

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is that it hasn't warped since it was made.

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No, which means it presumably was made out of warped wood.

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-Yes.

-Which is why it's so special.

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Let's imagine some little carpenter in some very provincial place,

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possibly up here in Harrogate,

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-in about

-1800. Oh, really?

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The late 18th, early... Turn of the century, 1800.

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Right, OK. Gosh, how interesting.

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Found this wood and thought to himself,

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well, I can't afford a table for home.

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-Maybe.

-Remember how poor these people were, carpenters.

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-Yes, of course.

-Basic carpenter.

-Yes, yes.

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You know, window-maker, door-maker at best,

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not a veneerer anything like that.

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-Yes.

-In a country place.

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-I suspect he just had this wood.

-Really?

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And thought, well, I CAN do something with that -

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-I'm not going to throw it away or burn it.

-No, no.

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It's a great spirit, isn't it?

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Do something with everything you've got.

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-It's just so clever.

-It is.

-I mean, to make it like this.

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-I just want to have a look.

-Yep.

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-Where do we start? Well, we start with the top.

-Yes.

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This wonderful undulation here,

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I mean, that alone, you know, as a tray,

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you would have a queue at an antique shop trying to buy it.

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And then we go to the legs.

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I mean, at first, when I first saw it,

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I thought the legs were all the same and carefully cut, but they're not.

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No, they're all different.

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They're all square, but they're all actually different.

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The handles are later,

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but the handles are probably 18th-century handles.

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I suspect, again, at the time, he couldn't afford handles,

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they'd have been quite expensive handles.

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Probably made in Birmingham, even in the 18th century.

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And it would have probably, at the very best,

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had a lock with a little key.

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-Yep.

-And that's been lost,

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and very typically and very commonly, had handles put on it.

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But that's part of its charm.

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But the whole thing... You know.

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And when you look at it, you've got the detail here,

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the pegs coming through here at the front,

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the easiest ones to see.

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If that had warped since it was made,

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it would have all cracked open.

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-It would have cracked.

-But it hasn't. It's just...

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-It's the cleverest thing.

-Beautiful, isn't it?

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And I'd like to go and challenge someone today

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to go and make a table like this now.

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To actually try and think of it like that, it's just...

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It's wonderful.

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But, you know, it's an impossible thing to value

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because, you know, in theory it's a piece of 18th-century junk.

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-No! No, it's not junk.

-Sorry, sorry.

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But in reality, it's the most wonderful table.

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It's got to be, in a shop...

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-I'd pay anything for it.

-Ooh!

-But £1,250?

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Really? Gosh. Well, yes.

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We love it, and we love it for the craftsmanship

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and the artistry and the imagination.

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Now, you've brought in this magnificent model

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of a 1/48 scale HMS Royal William.

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Very important ship at the end of 18th century,

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and a ship of the line,

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so, a very serious ship and a very serious model.

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Did you make it?

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No, my father made it.

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He researched the ship,

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went down on his bicycle from Yorkshire

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to go to the Greenwich Maritime Museum

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to see which ship would test his skills.

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So he chose this ship.

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It's made out of a lime tree which was felled and the hull...

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That was used for the main bit.

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He also used ivory piano keys for the window frames

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and, when he ran out of those,

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he got some bone from a butcher

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and cut that into the windows.

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How many...? I mean, it must have been thousands of hours

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but how many years did it take?

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Well, he started it in the 1950s,

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and it took him probably about 30 years to do it.

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And his last thing that he wanted to do

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was actually to do the rigging

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but, unfortunately, he passed away

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before he could realise that ambition.

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So, a lifetime's work but, to appreciate it,

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-you just have to look at the detailing.

-Yes.

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Wonderful stern-carving.

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You walk down here, it's got companion ways.

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All these cannons, all cast by him?

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Yes, everything.

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And belaying pins, belaying rails,

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capstan, even the ship's bell.

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Yes, that's brass.

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And then this magnificent figurehead of the double horse.

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So, you know, I can understand it was a lifetime's work.

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Yes, and he didn't have a lathe to do it on. It was...

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All made by hand.

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-Because here, also, is a figure of Wellington.

-Yes.

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-So he would have made this by hand?

-Yes.

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He used lead for that, which he heated up on the fire.

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What a wonderful story. Was he a professional engineer, or...?

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He was a fitter in a woollen mill.

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So this was his passion.

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It was, yes. Yes.

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-Now, he spent 30 years making this.

-Yes.

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I'm sure it's the last thing in the world you'd ever want to sell.

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-Exactly.

-Because it's really a testament to him,

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and he was your dad, you know.

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But if you had to commission somebody to build this,

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you would be talking about tens of thousands of pounds.

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At auction, we would be talking a figure between £4,000 and £6,000.

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Thank you.

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What's your involvement with this poster?

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Well, I went straight from modelling

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more or less into the world of film.

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I was cast in about four or five of these Carry On films in my youth.

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So you are a Carry On girl?

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-You bet!

-THEY LAUGH

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And you were in Carry On... Up The Khyber.

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I was in Carry On... Up The Khyber.

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I have to say, there is a lady lounging across this cannon who...

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-It could be me.

-It could be you.

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Well, of course, looking at these posters,

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they have become as iconic as the films themselves.

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-Yes.

-And I think there's this huge amount of nostalgia,

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which is, of course, something you were part of.

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You were working with all these great names of British comedy.

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And the posters now seems to be a bit of a nostalgia trip

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for anybody who has such a passion for these.

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And what you've got here is a UK one-sheet.

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Now, when any film was issued,

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there were various sizes and formats of movie poster

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that would be used in different parts of the theatre.

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But this one, in portrait, is what we call a one-sheet.

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-The artist of this was a chap called Renato Fratini.

-Mm.

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And he was known for doing these really fantastic

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sort of comic characterisations of the whole team.

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There was a lovely story attached to this,

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because it was gifted to me by the late Jeremy Lloyd,

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that wrote all those marvellous, marvellous films,

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including 'Allo 'Allo,

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and that makes it even more special.

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So you had real happy times of working on these films?

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Oh, I had a marvellous time, yes.

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It was like being on holiday for six weeks

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each time we shot one of the films, absolutely.

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-Carry On... Up The Khyber is one of the popular ones.

-Yes.

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And a one-sheet Carry On... Up The Khyber today

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-is going to be worth around £300.

-Aw.

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But, for me - someone who loves Carry Ons -

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well, you know what, you can keep all your Bond girls,

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I've met a Carry On girl!

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SHE LAUGHS

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Well, this is a wonderful collection of Russian playing cards.

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And each of the cards, which are not only numbered,

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but they have little maps in the centre.

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These cards actually represent

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82 provinces of the Russian Empire

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which had been existing, I think, it's 1856.

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After the Crimean War,

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but it's the great period of Russian imperialism.

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Buffalo Bill brought the image

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of what people thought the Wild West was meant to look like,

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and did all these tours

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all around America, all around Europe.

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So you've had it hanging in your pub?

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In one pub for 20 years, and the second pub for 10.

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I just love it. And when I had the pub, it was fine.

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Now I don't have the pubs any more -

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I wouldn't say it's irrelevant, but it's under the bed.

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And so how much did you pay for it?

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-£25.

-OK.

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This is one of Moscow,

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with what people wear in Moscow here.

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And, as you say, on the back,

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the major cities.

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Yes, the major cities.

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Which are listed down here. I can't see the Kremlin.

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That's because the Kremlin...

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At this time, the Kremlin had been made from wood.

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-Yes.

-Before the fire, you remember?

-Oh, I see.

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I think that's the Kremlin, you see?

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They are incredibly rare.

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I've only ever seen them individually before,

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but to see such a large collection...

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You've got somewhere between £3,000 and £4,000.

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Wow.

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They're not that uncommon, to find a signed photograph.

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It's nice that it's signed with his real name, Cody,

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and then Buffalo Bill.

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At auction, easily £1,000.

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Very good. Very nice.

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Well, this is like the beguiling of Eve, isn't it?

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Here is a serpent in front of us.

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Now, what's the story of the serpent?

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Erm, it belongs to my mother.

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She was left it in a will about 55 years ago.

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-Yes.

-And she wore it as a young lady.

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-Yes.

-Went dancing in it and it fell off,

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so that's why it's been left in its box in the safe.

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Yes. Well, it's in remarkably good condition for a serpent,

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and it's almost hissing with emblematic meaning, this.

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The snake biting its tail

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is a very ancient emblem of eternity,

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it's called the ouroboros - the eternally renewing circle.

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And the fact it's gold, it's incorruptible.

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And these are all metaphors for love.

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And the colour blue - something borrowed, something blue -

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says the same thing.

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Combine it with diamonds, it's forever love.

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Very conveniently, yours is dated 1845,

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but it may be more significant,

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because I've gone out of my way to say that it's an emblem of love,

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but it's more than that, actually.

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It's probably a very sophisticated piece of mourning jewellery.

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So, mourning is love beyond the grave,

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and here, very tragically,

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-we see four little windows with human hair in the back.

-Yes.

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And every one has an initial in front of it

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with the same initial at the end

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and I don't think there can be a shadow of doubt

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that these are references to infant mortality.

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-Really?

-Which was absolutely rife in 1845.

-Mm.

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It's all about art, all about symbolism.

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And, with a tinge of tragedy,

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we'll probably never, ever know who these people are.

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-No.

-And so it's jewellery saying everything

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and saying nothing at the same time.

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It's awe-inspiring, really.

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So how would they get the little windows in there?

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I think possibly the jewellers were incredibly competent at that time

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-and they would saw out with a file and make a little window.

-Right.

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What you couldn't do is go near the enamel, because that would break it.

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-Yes.

-It's completely articulated, to allow it onto a woman's wrist

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and it's in superb condition.

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And also, significantly,

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there's some very substantial diamonds in the head of the snake.

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And this points towards a very high-status family, really,

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who could afford such a thing -

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and I'm sure your mother values that enormously

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and everybody else would value it enormously,

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and so I think it's worth £8,000 to £10,000.

0:16:300:16:34

Really? As much as that? Ooh! Goodness.

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Well, that's a lot.

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-It has beguiled us all, not just you.

-Yes!

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Absolutely. But not with mammon, but with sentiment,

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and that's really marvellous.

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Some First World War cartridges. What can you tell me about them?

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Well, they're not cartridges,

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they're bullet punchers.

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-They're bullet punchers?

-Yes.

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OK, so when we open them,

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inside we have...

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a little fork...

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..in there...

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..A knife.

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And not only a knife,

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we also have...

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a little spoon.

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So tell me, what's the history of these?

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My grandfather made musical instruments

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before the First World War.

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And then during the war he was in munitions,

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he was based at Armley in Leeds,

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so he didn't fight.

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And because he made musical instruments,

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my guess is that he was using his skills

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in order to hand-file these,

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so he made them himself.

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These are actually Russian shells

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and they were made...

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Basically, the Russians were unable to pack them themselves,

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so they were actually filled in the UK and in France

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for the Russian army.

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And, obviously, as he worked in the munitions factory,

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he would just have obviously took a few of them

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and just fashioned a little cutlery out of them.

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Commonly we see things that were made in the trenches

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in the First World War by the soldiers

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out of the big shells, you know,

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engraved with various scenes and things.

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But I must admit I've never seen anything

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so precisely engineered as these,

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and they're absolutely gorgeous.

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So presumably you feel a really strong connection with these

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as they were made by your grandfather?

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Yeah, yes. You just feel that, erm...

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Well, you can see the skill in them

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and you've got something physical, even though he's no longer around,

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you've got somebody who has made something themselves,

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and they'll stay in the family.

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-Yes, so he's left a legacy, basically.

-Yes.

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He was obviously incredibly skilled.

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I think they're gorgeous, I love them.

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If they were to come up for auction,

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you'd be looking at probably somewhere in the region

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of £300 to £400 for them.

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That's lovely, thank you.

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Do you know how old this is?

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-Quite old.

-How do you know that?

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Well, it looks old, doesn't it?

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Yeah, but, you know...

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It's been in the family for about 60 years,

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but I should think it's older than that.

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Yeah. Have you tried to find out?

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I have and I've forgotten.

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It was a long time ago!

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It's about 17th century,

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something like that?

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It has got some clues on it.

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-If we turn it upside down...

-Yes.

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-We've got these marks on the base here.

-Yeah.

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Which, if you look them up, it'll say Da Ming,

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-which means "great Ming", as in Ming Dynasty.

-Yeah.

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Jiajing, which is the name of the Emperor,

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and Nian Zhi, which means "made in".

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So, made in the Jiajing Reign of the great Ming Dynasty.

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Right.

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I love this type of vase.

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-Of course, what you need to know is when was that chap on the...

-Yes.

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..throne. He reigned from 1522 to 1566.

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-Wow, really?

-So, actually, it wasn't 17th-century,

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it's 16th century.

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The time of Henry VIII.

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But is it a real one?

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Well, we've got these wonderful Ming-style scrolls

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and they're a bit blurred.

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Everything about it, looking closely,

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is what you would expect to find

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on a genuine Ming vase.

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I think it's a lovely thing, I love this sort of porcelain,

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it's the first bits of blue-and-white

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which made their way into Europe.

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-Yeah.

-The Medicis had porcelain of this reign in their collections,

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and so did some of the kings and princes of Europe.

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So, a wonderful thing to see.

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So, you've got a Ming vase.

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-You want to know what it's worth?

-Yes, I do.

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-That's why you came, isn't it?

-Yes!

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Not altogether, no.

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Well, you have got a Ming vase,

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it's perfectly genuine, it's a lovely piece.

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-Here's the problem.

-No.

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We've got a crack running round the centre.

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It's been made in sections,

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and that is where the two bits were joined together.

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So, at the luting line, there's a crack.

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Because of that, we're looking at £800.

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Not £4,000.

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-Oh!

-I'm sorry.

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Oh!

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Never mind, I love it anyway.

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No-one's ever offered me a pair of stockings

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on the Roadshow before today, so this is a first.

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So, this is your marvellous

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stocking- and sock-making contraption.

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Show me how it works, first of all.

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Well, it's deceptively simple once it's threaded up.

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It has 80 latch needles,

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they were invented in 1849,

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and it takes the yarn and creates loops and knits.

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So even today knitting machines use this principle.

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So each stitch is laid

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as it goes round.

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Into the open mouth of the hook.

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It's ingeniously simple,

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-but at the same time fiendishly complicated, isn't it?

-It is, yes.

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And how long does it take to run up a sock or a stocking, then?

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In the hands of an expert - and I'm not an expert -

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someone who can close the heel

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and turn the heel,

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probably five or ten minutes to make each sock.

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And this dates from about, what, 1910, something like that?

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Yes, around 1910.

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They are quite collectable, particularly in the States,

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where they have a conference every year for sock-knitters.

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That is a conference I'd like to attend!

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This is a sampler, it happens to be a rather nice one.

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An early one, 18th-century, I'm sure, by its style.

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Silk on linen, but it employs a technique

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that I've rarely seen used before in samplers.

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But you know a bit about its history, don't you?

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Yes, this particular sampler

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was sewn by my great-great-grandmother...

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-Yes.

-Marion Black.

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She was born in 1776

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and, I believe, she may have stitched this

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when she was about 16 years old.

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That's interesting, because the word "sampler"

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comes from the French "essamplaire",

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which means to copy or to imitate,

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and young girls stitched these things

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to show their proficiency in needlework

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to make them ready to run households.

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So I think, if she was born in '76,

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this is properly done no later than 1786.

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-Right.

-And, erm...

0:23:090:23:12

what's unusual about this

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is that it's got raised and cut silk work

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to emulate a mown lawn, here in the front there.

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And I've never seen that before, and I think that's really remarkable,

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and it gives it a three-dimensional effect.

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And the way it's arranged is really charming.

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The colours are so fresh, you know,

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the blue of the roof and the red of the door,

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and the berries and flowers on the tree there.

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But it has a reasonable value, for all those reasons.

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And something like this, from this date and this fresh

0:23:410:23:45

and this condition, would be in the region

0:23:450:23:48

of £1,000 to £1,300, £1,400.

0:23:480:23:51

Well, that's very nice.

0:23:510:23:53

I shall continue to treasure it.

0:23:530:23:55

It's as charming as it gets.

0:23:550:23:56

-I mean, it's proper folk art, isn't it?

-It is, it is.

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It's a real tribute to the maker and the skills of little girls and...

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-Exactly.

-..what young girls could be expected to do.

0:24:030:24:05

Exactly. A little girl like this age could have done something like this.

0:24:050:24:09

-They were as young as five and six.

-Yes.

-How old are you?

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You're eight. So you could easily have done this

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if you lived back in Georgian times.

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That's quite a thought.

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Well, the world is full of love and sentiment,

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and this was really true during the Victorian period as well,

0:24:220:24:26

which is where this necklace dates from.

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How has it ended up in your collection?

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My father-in-law gave it to me.

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What a lovely gift. He obviously adored you.

0:24:310:24:34

-I hope so.

-Yeah, definitely, definitely.

0:24:340:24:37

-It's something that you wear a lot?

-A lot, all the time.

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Good, that's brilliant.

0:24:390:24:40

Well, it's a Victorian necklace,

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round about the 1840s,

0:24:430:24:45

when jewellery really was the height of fashion

0:24:450:24:48

and this whole idea of interpreting love messages through jewellery

0:24:480:24:52

was extremely important as well.

0:24:520:24:54

And with the hearts,

0:24:540:24:56

that's an obvious symbol of sentiment.

0:24:560:24:58

But what we also have on these lovely little hearts

0:24:580:25:01

are various colours.

0:25:010:25:02

So we've got turquoise,

0:25:020:25:03

which is seen as the true colour of the forget-me-not flower,

0:25:030:25:06

and then you can associate that

0:25:060:25:08

with the hidden message of "don't forget me",

0:25:080:25:10

which is absolutely gorgeous.

0:25:100:25:11

The necklace is gold

0:25:110:25:14

and it's what we call a snake link,

0:25:140:25:16

and when you move it, it slithers along like a little snake.

0:25:160:25:19

That lovely sort of tactile feel to the Victorian jewellery

0:25:190:25:22

which really sums it up, it's fantastic.

0:25:220:25:24

And what's that stone?

0:25:240:25:26

The pink one there is either a pink sapphire or a tourmaline,

0:25:260:25:30

it's a little bit difficult to tell in the heavy setting of the mount.

0:25:300:25:33

Now, as far as value's concerned,

0:25:330:25:35

collectors love this sort of look.

0:25:350:25:37

At auction, somebody would pay in excess of £2,000 for this.

0:25:370:25:41

Right. Thank you very much.

0:25:410:25:44

My pleasure. Keep on wearing it.

0:25:440:25:46

-I will.

-Good.

-Don't you worry.

0:25:460:25:48

Our impostor this week is based around our national pastime -

0:26:010:26:04

drinking tea, of course.

0:26:040:26:05

John Axford, you set us this challenge,

0:26:050:26:07

you are our ceramics specialist - and an Orientalist, as well.

0:26:070:26:10

So we have four tea bowls, I must call them.

0:26:100:26:12

-That's correct.

-They're not tea cups, they don't have handles.

0:26:120:26:15

Cups have handles, yes.

0:26:150:26:17

Three of which are 18th-century Chinese...

0:26:170:26:19

-Yes.

-And the impostor is?

0:26:190:26:21

English. So they all date from round about 1750.

0:26:210:26:25

1740, 1750. But one is an English one.

0:26:250:26:29

Now, the thing about drinking tea at that time

0:26:290:26:32

was it was a very refined activity,

0:26:320:26:34

-because tea was so expensive and so precious.

-Yes.

0:26:340:26:37

You've got to remember, in 1740, the time of Hogarth,

0:26:370:26:40

both porcelain and tea were extremely expensive.

0:26:400:26:44

I mean, tea was so expensive that it was locked away in caddies.

0:26:440:26:48

It's not until you get to the 19th century,

0:26:480:26:50

you start getting these great big teapots

0:26:500:26:52

and great big teacups,

0:26:520:26:54

and people start sloshing it around a bit.

0:26:540:26:56

So, four tea bowls, three Chinese - which is the English one?

0:26:560:26:59

Here are some hints from John.

0:26:590:27:02

This porcelain tea bowl was made for an Irishman called Nicholas Langton,

0:27:030:27:07

and depicts his coat of arms.

0:27:070:27:09

But would he have commissioned a Chinese maker to produce this,

0:27:090:27:12

or would he have relied on a English maker?

0:27:120:27:15

This tea bowl dates from around 1750

0:27:170:27:18

and features a beautifully enamelled image of lovers in a garden.

0:27:180:27:22

Is it the work of a Chinese craftsman with years of experience,

0:27:220:27:26

or has an English painter managed to replicate the technique?

0:27:260:27:29

Could this tea bowl, from around 1755,

0:27:320:27:34

represent an Englishman's view of a Chinese scene,

0:27:340:27:38

complete with a water buffalo?

0:27:380:27:40

Or is it a genuine piece

0:27:400:27:41

that was made in China and shipped over

0:27:410:27:43

for tea-drinking aficionados?

0:27:430:27:45

This elegant tea bowl

0:27:470:27:49

depicting a European gentleman

0:27:490:27:51

dates from around 1740.

0:27:510:27:52

But is it the work of a Chinese or an English potter?

0:27:520:27:55

The history of porcelain is a fascinating one,

0:28:000:28:02

and my understanding of Chinese porcelain in particular

0:28:020:28:05

is that what made it so special

0:28:050:28:06

is its fineness and its transparency.

0:28:060:28:08

So is that what I should be looking for?

0:28:080:28:10

It's certainly one of the things.

0:28:100:28:12

Some Chinese porcelain is extremely fine, if it's very thinly potted.

0:28:120:28:15

Other times it can be more thickly potted

0:28:150:28:17

and, if it's fired at a lower temperature,

0:28:170:28:19

it will be less translucent.

0:28:190:28:21

So it is one of the features, but it doesn't necessarily help you.

0:28:210:28:24

18th-century Chinese porcelain,

0:28:240:28:26

compared with 18th-century English porcelains,

0:28:260:28:28

tends to be a more glassy material.

0:28:280:28:30

It's harder, it's known as hard-paste porcelain,

0:28:300:28:33

and when it breaks, you get a sort of colloidal fracture,

0:28:330:28:36

like glass breaks.

0:28:360:28:37

There was great demand, wasn't there, for porcelain in Britain?

0:28:370:28:41

In the first half of the 18th century, it was a craze

0:28:410:28:44

and, of course, tea drinking was so fashionable

0:28:440:28:46

Chinese tea wares poured into the country and, of course,

0:28:460:28:49

factories set up in England, in London, in Worcester,

0:28:490:28:52

in Derby and in Staffordshire,

0:28:520:28:54

to compete with these markets.

0:28:540:28:56

It's a very tricky one, because as far as I was concerned,

0:28:560:29:00

transparency was the name of the game -

0:29:000:29:02

you've now told me now it's not necessarily

0:29:020:29:03

about their transparency.

0:29:030:29:05

Folks, any ideas?

0:29:050:29:06

-You've had a look.

-Second from the left for me.

0:29:060:29:09

You think this is the impostor?

0:29:090:29:10

You think that's the impostor?

0:29:100:29:13

You think THAT'S the impostor?

0:29:130:29:14

-Yes.

-Well, you are no help at all.

0:29:140:29:16

And at the back there, you think it's this one?

0:29:160:29:18

Oh, brilliant. Well, that's a whole heap of help.

0:29:180:29:22

I mean, I had a quick look and I held them up to the light.

0:29:220:29:25

This is beautifully fine, I think, this one.

0:29:250:29:28

The crosshatching and the design on here

0:29:280:29:32

is just so...

0:29:320:29:34

beautifully done.

0:29:340:29:37

I wonder if this is English.

0:29:370:29:40

This is the plainest. But compared...

0:29:400:29:44

Oh, I'm tying myself up in knots here.

0:29:440:29:46

-I'm going to go... Who thought it was this one?

-Me.

-Right.

0:29:460:29:49

Loving you, madam.

0:29:490:29:50

I'm going for this one being the impostor,

0:29:500:29:53

because it's less transparent and it has less detail on it.

0:29:530:29:56

Therefore, I think that is the English impostor.

0:29:560:30:00

You're entirely wrong.

0:30:000:30:01

ALL: Aw!

0:30:010:30:03

The impostor, in this case...

0:30:030:30:06

-is this one.

-Oh!

0:30:060:30:10

But when you hold this up, it's so fine and delicate.

0:30:100:30:13

It's lighter than all the others.

0:30:130:30:14

This was made at the Worcester factory in about 1755,

0:30:140:30:18

only a few years after the factory opened,

0:30:180:30:21

and it is trying to look like Chinese porcelain

0:30:210:30:23

and it's doing a really very, very good job.

0:30:230:30:25

It's doing an excellent job.

0:30:250:30:27

So, which of these is the most valuable, John?

0:30:270:30:30

This is the most valuable piece.

0:30:300:30:32

-Erm...

-What, because of rarity?

0:30:320:30:34

Because of rarity.

0:30:340:30:35

Chinese porcelain was made for the export market

0:30:350:30:38

in very, very large numbers.

0:30:380:30:39

Shiploads arrived back here.

0:30:390:30:42

Worcester porcelain, which is copying it, is far rarer,

0:30:420:30:46

and Worcester collectors,

0:30:460:30:47

particularly in the UK and in America,

0:30:470:30:49

what they want is the pieces from the very earliest years

0:30:490:30:51

of the factory.

0:30:510:30:53

It's worth maybe £600.

0:30:530:30:55

I've got it wrong again. You were a fat lot of help!

0:30:560:30:58

Oh, you were right, were you? Oh, right, madam.

0:30:580:31:00

I'm going to go have a cup of tea, I reckon.

0:31:000:31:03

This reminds me so much of my childhood,

0:31:070:31:08

and I'm sure there are plenty of viewers, too,

0:31:080:31:11

who will look at this lot

0:31:110:31:12

and say, yeah, I used to play with one of those.

0:31:120:31:14

But there's something very, very different

0:31:140:31:17

about this collection of Corgi die-casts

0:31:170:31:19

on the table here.

0:31:190:31:21

Tell me a bit about them.

0:31:210:31:22

Well, Corgi toys had...

0:31:220:31:24

Their main plant was in Swansea...

0:31:240:31:26

-Yep.

-But also in Northampton.

0:31:260:31:28

That factory was where we made most of the components

0:31:280:31:32

to go to the Swansea factory.

0:31:320:31:34

Well, sometimes there was perhaps something wrong with them.

0:31:340:31:38

There were 3,000 women putting toys together

0:31:380:31:42

and maybe they would send a message -

0:31:420:31:44

well, we can't fit the wheel on that particular model,

0:31:440:31:46

have a look at it.

0:31:460:31:48

Well, the idea was

0:31:480:31:50

to have that model -

0:31:500:31:52

as this one is - held together with...

0:31:520:31:54

-It's been assembled...

-Yes.

0:31:540:31:56

But it's not been completed by spinning over these things here.

0:31:560:31:59

-The rivets have not been sealed off.

-The rivets have not been made.

0:31:590:32:02

-And you call that spinning over?

-Spinning it over, yes.

-Right, OK.

0:32:020:32:05

The idea was, that, well, we'd looked for the component

0:32:050:32:08

and check it for assembly.

0:32:080:32:10

What was your position at the plant up in Northampton?

0:32:100:32:13

I was the general manager

0:32:130:32:14

You were the general manager? OK.

0:32:140:32:16

So what you're saying to me is that all these examples

0:32:160:32:18

with elastic bands around them were basically unique reference models.

0:32:180:32:23

-Absolutely.

-But, also, we've got a selection here at the front

0:32:230:32:26

that have got some very unusual finishes on them.

0:32:260:32:29

These are Huskies, most of these.

0:32:290:32:30

-They are.

-I've never seen these with these finishes.

0:32:300:32:32

When they were deciding what colour to make this,

0:32:320:32:35

mainly for the American market,

0:32:350:32:37

the director would say to me, "Right, I want ten in that colour,

0:32:370:32:41

"I want ten in that colour, I want ten in that colour."

0:32:410:32:43

And we would just send them to him.

0:32:430:32:45

-Yes.

-It was always a big nuisance, really,

0:32:450:32:47

-to upset a big paint plant to do ten of...

-Yes.

0:32:470:32:49

He said he wanted them, so we made them.

0:32:490:32:52

And we put them out and he said, "No, no, no."

0:32:520:32:54

And, "Right, this is the one we're going for."

0:32:540:32:56

So, how to choose the colour for the model.

0:32:560:32:59

So what you're saying is

0:32:590:33:00

that just maybe six, eight, ten of these were made?

0:33:000:33:03

-That's right.

-And what happened to the ones they didn't want?

0:33:030:33:06

Well, I have two girls at home,

0:33:060:33:08

but I had a lot of children who used to live nearby

0:33:080:33:10

and I used to take them home.

0:33:100:33:11

They would never go into boxes, they would never be assembled,

0:33:110:33:15

so I used to give them to local kids.

0:33:150:33:16

Do you realise what you're sitting on here?

0:33:160:33:19

Yes, they're...

0:33:190:33:20

unique, aren't they?

0:33:200:33:22

-Well, they're rare.

-One-offs.

0:33:220:33:23

Absolutely. You've got one-offs, rare editions.

0:33:230:33:26

Of course, these reference ones were one-offs,

0:33:260:33:29

and actually I'm totally flummoxed,

0:33:290:33:33

because I never expected to be shown such rare Corgis.

0:33:330:33:38

Have you got any more?

0:33:380:33:40

I've got 200 or 300, probably, of all sorts.

0:33:400:33:44

200 or 300?

0:33:440:33:45

Yes, probably, yes.

0:33:450:33:46

I'm meant to surprise you, you're not meant to surprise me.

0:33:460:33:49

I think there's probably -

0:33:510:33:53

and I'm just going to globally value this lot on the table for you -

0:33:530:33:56

I think there's probably around about

0:33:560:33:58

£1,500 to £2,000 worth of cars on this table.

0:33:580:34:02

-Yes.

-But if you've got 200-300 more...

0:34:020:34:07

-There's quite a few of them.

-I can't really do the maths.

0:34:070:34:10

So what you have got is something quite important.

0:34:100:34:12

-Yes, they are.

-And very important to collectors.

0:34:120:34:15

Well, my grandchildren have got their names on many of them already.

0:34:150:34:18

-THEY LAUGH

-Oh, well, that's lovely.

0:34:180:34:20

You've brought me in a little book

0:34:210:34:23

which is, sort of, over 350 years old

0:34:230:34:26

and it's a sort of very early guide

0:34:260:34:29

that travellers could take with them

0:34:290:34:32

to understand how to behave, what to appreciate,

0:34:320:34:35

all that sort of stuff.

0:34:350:34:37

It's a lovely little thing. Do you look after it?

0:34:370:34:39

-Yes, indeed.

-I do.

0:34:390:34:40

-Where do you keep it?

-With my other books, actually.

0:34:400:34:43

-OK.

-But it's all protected, obviously,

0:34:430:34:46

because it's quite old. I've just treasured it.

0:34:460:34:49

If we just open it up here to the title page,

0:34:490:34:51

Instructions And Directions For Foreign Travel,

0:34:510:34:54

-and it's written by a chap called James Howell.

-OK.

0:34:540:34:58

Who was born at the end of the 16th century

0:34:580:35:01

and died in the, sort of, later 17th century.

0:35:010:35:04

-OK.

-You've got a second edition, this is actually a second edition...

0:35:040:35:08

-Ah, OK.

-It was first published in 1642.

0:35:080:35:10

-OK.

-And this is dated 1650.

0:35:100:35:13

And Howell worked in a glass factory

0:35:130:35:16

and he did a lot of travelling, mostly throughout Europe.

0:35:160:35:19

He was a great linguist,

0:35:190:35:20

who wrote other books on grammar and language and things like that.

0:35:200:35:24

And in this little book,

0:35:240:35:25

he's sort of trying to tell would-be travellers

0:35:250:35:28

how the best way to go about things is.

0:35:280:35:30

You haven't used it?

0:35:300:35:32

-No.

-So how did you get it?

0:35:320:35:34

Actually it's from my father,

0:35:340:35:35

and I think it's been handed down in the family, to my father

0:35:350:35:39

and, of course, he's not with us now, so hence I've inherited it.

0:35:390:35:42

-OK.

-Yes, I think it's been in the family a long time.

0:35:420:35:45

On this page here, this is a portrait of King Charles II.

0:35:460:35:51

-Yeah.

-With his date of birth.

0:35:510:35:53

29th of May, 1630.

0:35:530:35:55

It was quite a risky thing. At that time, that particular time,

0:35:550:35:58

the interregnum,

0:35:580:35:59

between 1649 when Charles' father King Charles I had been executed,

0:35:590:36:05

and 1651 when Cromwell defeated Charles II and then took over.

0:36:050:36:10

To pin your sort of colours to the mast, as Howell is doing here,

0:36:100:36:13

bigging up the monarchy, was quite a risky thing to do.

0:36:130:36:17

But what I think is the loveliest bit about it

0:36:170:36:21

is the fact that he has a bit here at the end

0:36:210:36:25

when he says that when an Englishman comes back after travelling abroad,

0:36:250:36:28

"When he hath observed all this, at his return home,

0:36:280:36:32

"he will bless God and love England better ever after."

0:36:320:36:36

And I think that still holds true today.

0:36:360:36:39

It does.

0:36:390:36:40

-It's rare.

-Yes.

-Doesn't come up on the market very often.

0:36:420:36:44

-OK.

-And if it came up for sale,

0:36:440:36:48

I think it would make certainly £1,000-£1,500.

0:36:480:36:52

Wow.

0:36:520:36:54

-Might even do more.

-Really?!

0:36:540:36:56

-Yes.

-It's such a tiny little book.

0:36:560:36:58

-I know. It's a super little thing.

-Thank you.

-Yeah.

-Great.

0:36:580:37:01

Rarely on the Antiques Roadshow do we actually feature tools,

0:37:010:37:05

and I think that when you consider

0:37:050:37:07

these potentially made some of the furniture that we've featured,

0:37:070:37:10

I think it's time we had some tool time.

0:37:100:37:12

I think it's a good idea as well!

0:37:120:37:14

-You clearly love them.

-Oh, I do.

-Why?

0:37:140:37:17

To me, they represent the pinnacle of English furniture-making

0:37:170:37:22

and, without tools like this,

0:37:220:37:24

we wouldn't have the Chippendales and the Hepplewhites,

0:37:240:37:27

they wouldn't have been built to as good a standard

0:37:270:37:31

had these not existed at that time.

0:37:310:37:33

People look at these tools that may have been their grandad's

0:37:330:37:37

and they've found in the shed,

0:37:370:37:39

and they'll go in the skip or they might go to a sale room,

0:37:390:37:42

but, really, they're artefacts of our history

0:37:420:37:46

of the great furniture that we've got now.

0:37:460:37:49

Because they are works of art in themselves.

0:37:490:37:52

You're quite young - why tools, for you?

0:37:520:37:55

I actually makes saws.

0:37:550:37:57

-Oh, OK.

-Yeah, I actually reproduce saws from this era...

0:37:570:38:01

-Wow!

-For special commissions for people.

0:38:010:38:05

I use the same tools,

0:38:050:38:08

the same techniques that would have been used

0:38:080:38:11

250 years ago to make these.

0:38:110:38:12

How long would it take you to make a saw like this?

0:38:120:38:16

Between 25 and 30 hours, depending on the design.

0:38:160:38:20

It's the quality of them,

0:38:200:38:22

and you just don't get that... any more.

0:38:220:38:25

You don't get something...

0:38:250:38:27

A tool which was made for a craftsman of the mid-18th century

0:38:270:38:30

which would be used throughout his life.

0:38:300:38:33

This is my favourite one.

0:38:330:38:34

When you see the blade on this one,

0:38:340:38:36

you can see, this would have - correct me if I'm wrong -

0:38:360:38:39

this would have been out there

0:38:390:38:42

and then they've re-sharpened it over years

0:38:420:38:44

where they've actually now had to go round a little bend.

0:38:440:38:46

And that to me just sums up how important these were to that person,

0:38:460:38:50

how expensive they were,

0:38:500:38:52

and it then creates a beautiful object in itself.

0:38:520:38:55

They've got maker's marks on them -

0:38:550:38:57

have you researched the makers into the these?

0:38:570:38:59

I have, yeah, with quite some depth.

0:38:590:39:02

Most of the saws that are on the table

0:39:020:39:05

actually were made in Sheffield.

0:39:050:39:08

And this one in particular

0:39:080:39:11

is probably one of the early examples of a Sheffield saw.

0:39:110:39:15

And the maker, John Kenyon,

0:39:150:39:18

was the first Sheffield saw-maker outside of London,

0:39:180:39:23

and this dates from about 1760.

0:39:230:39:27

And that would make these pretty rare as tools?

0:39:270:39:30

They do, especially saws of this size.

0:39:300:39:33

They're very rare survivors.

0:39:330:39:35

There's now sales, or auctions,

0:39:350:39:37

purely of tools.

0:39:370:39:39

I think on the table here

0:39:390:39:41

you've got between £3,000 and £3,500 worth of saws.

0:39:410:39:45

Crikey!

0:39:450:39:46

That's quite unbelievable, yeah.

0:39:470:39:49

Well, what appears to be a very harmless little watercolour

0:39:510:39:55

of a ship at sea

0:39:550:39:56

hides some deeper meanings.

0:39:560:39:58

Where did you get it?

0:39:580:40:00

I actually bought it online.

0:40:000:40:03

I'd noticed it and was interested, like you say,

0:40:030:40:06

because of the hidden... Hidden story in it.

0:40:060:40:10

That was what amazed me when you pulled it out of your carrier bag.

0:40:100:40:14

Because there are thousands of little cut lines

0:40:140:40:18

which allow the picture itself

0:40:180:40:20

to actually dome out

0:40:200:40:22

in a beehive form.

0:40:220:40:24

In fact, we often call them beehives -

0:40:240:40:26

and underneath,

0:40:260:40:28

there is a little watercolour.

0:40:280:40:29

And it's quite hard to reveal.

0:40:290:40:31

You have to bring it up, and then, as you tip it,

0:40:310:40:34

you can see how the paper sort of concertinas

0:40:340:40:39

in a very much a sort of a beehive way.

0:40:390:40:42

And look at that.

0:40:430:40:45

The kneeling slave, chained,

0:40:450:40:48

with a quote from Isaiah,

0:40:480:40:52

"Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away."

0:40:520:40:56

It does date to probably the 1820s

0:40:560:41:00

and, of course, it was 1833

0:41:000:41:02

that slavery was fully abolished in Britain.

0:41:020:41:07

-Would it be the sympathetic person doing this?

-Yes.

0:41:070:41:10

Yes. People whose consciences were constantly being pricked

0:41:100:41:14

by the continuation of, obviously, an appalling trade.

0:41:140:41:18

So it makes this really

0:41:180:41:21

quite an important piece.

0:41:210:41:22

And on the Roadshow we see a lot of Valentine cards

0:41:220:41:25

in this style -

0:41:250:41:26

I've never seen a slavery one,

0:41:260:41:29

and neither have any of my colleagues.

0:41:290:41:31

So, you paid...?

0:41:310:41:33

I paid £15.

0:41:330:41:35

£15.

0:41:350:41:36

That's very good.

0:41:360:41:38

Well, it's worth £500-£800.

0:41:380:41:41

No! Really? Oh, my goodness.

0:41:410:41:44

That has totally surprised me.

0:41:440:41:47

Thank you.

0:41:470:41:48

If I had a time machine,

0:41:540:41:56

I'd think, let's go to Harrogate in the 1930s, or the 1920s.

0:41:560:42:00

It must have been a fantastic place. Are you a Harrogate person?

0:42:000:42:03

No, I've lived in the area since the 1960s but, funnily enough,

0:42:030:42:07

my grandfather was offered the job as stationmaster

0:42:070:42:10

in Harrogate in the 1930s and he turned it down for Ipswich.

0:42:100:42:13

We're looking at a railway poster.

0:42:130:42:15

He was handling posters on a daily basis,

0:42:150:42:17

but he didn't keep any.

0:42:170:42:19

They had no value. They'd been stuck up,

0:42:190:42:21

there was spares kept in the attic, and whenever he wanted scrap paper

0:42:210:42:24

they'd be torn up into foolscap sheets

0:42:240:42:26

and he'd use them for his homework.

0:42:260:42:27

-Think of what he tore up.

-Exactly.

-It doesn't bear thinking about.

0:42:270:42:30

-It's frightening.

-Yeah.

0:42:300:42:31

The great era of the railway posters was the 1930s.

0:42:310:42:34

There was a mass of railway posters about Harrogate

0:42:340:42:37

because it was such an important place.

0:42:370:42:39

There were Pullman trains coming daily in and out of the town,

0:42:390:42:43

there were great hotels, there was the royal baths,

0:42:430:42:46

you know, it was a fantastic place at that time.

0:42:460:42:49

I'm not saying it isn't now, but it was very different.

0:42:490:42:52

Do you know the background to this poster?

0:42:520:42:55

I don't. I've been told that it's quite significant that it should say

0:42:550:42:58

London and North Eastern Railway of England and Scotland.

0:42:580:43:01

Yep. Because I think it's an export one.

0:43:010:43:05

We were saying to people, "Come to Harrogate".

0:43:050:43:08

We were also saying to people in Europe,

0:43:080:43:09

and in particularly North America, "Come to Britain".

0:43:090:43:13

And therefore this was for the North American market.

0:43:130:43:16

And so it's focusing on Britishness,

0:43:160:43:19

Englishness, the baths, the riding,

0:43:190:43:22

the style, the elegance.

0:43:220:43:24

There'd be no point at all in saying England and Scotland

0:43:240:43:27

if it was being used in England and Scotland.

0:43:270:43:31

This would have been on display

0:43:310:43:32

in some office in Manhattan, some travel company,

0:43:320:43:36

seducing people to come and find the best of Britain.

0:43:360:43:39

Because it's a very rare one.

0:43:390:43:41

-Yes?

-I don't know that I've ever seen it,

0:43:410:43:42

and I have seen lots of Harrogate posters.

0:43:420:43:45

So, it's unusual. It's an export model, which makes it more unusual.

0:43:450:43:49

It's a wonderfully evocative image of where we are.

0:43:490:43:52

-I would think it would be about 2,000.

-Oh!

0:43:520:43:54

But we'll be keeping it, won't we?

0:43:560:43:58

-Great image.

-Yes. Thank you.

-Thank you.

0:43:580:44:01

This clock has been on the Roadshow before, hasn't it, in 19...?

0:44:030:44:06

-1982.

-And we've got the ticket to prove it.

0:44:060:44:08

-Look at that.

-Uh-huh, yes.

0:44:080:44:10

My father actually made this clock

0:44:100:44:12

and he brought it in to get some advice

0:44:120:44:14

about how we could perhaps get it to work with a pendulum.

0:44:140:44:16

And he showed it to Arthur Negus, who was very impressed,

0:44:160:44:19

he thought it was a lot older, didn't realise my dad had made it,

0:44:190:44:22

set it down on the table

0:44:220:44:23

and then accidentally knocked it off and it fell on the floor.

0:44:230:44:27

-The cover came off and...

-So he damaged it?

-Yes, he did.

0:44:270:44:30

It's been restored since, but he was very apologetic.

0:44:300:44:33

-I'm sure he was!

-He said, "I'm very sorry."

0:44:330:44:37

My dad said, "Well, don't worry,

0:44:370:44:38

"at least I can tell the grandchildren

0:44:380:44:40

"that Arthur Negus dropped my clock."

0:44:400:44:42

And here they are today,

0:44:420:44:44

these are the grandchildren.

0:44:440:44:45

So, girls, now you can tell your grandchildren

0:44:450:44:48

-that Arthur Negus dropped this clock.

-Wow.

0:44:480:44:50

Look what's turned up at the same time -

0:44:540:44:56

two Austrian cold-painted bronzes.

0:44:560:44:59

-Brilliant, eh?

-A dachshund.

-Yeah.

-And a carpet-seller.

0:44:590:45:03

A North African carpet-seller.

0:45:030:45:05

We know who they're by, don't we?

0:45:050:45:07

I'm sure it's Bergman.

0:45:070:45:08

I wasn't expecting to see such an explosion of colour.

0:45:080:45:12

It's actually an oil painting on board,

0:45:120:45:15

and the signature reads Angelito Antonio, 1963.

0:45:150:45:20

I know nothing about it.

0:45:210:45:22

It's the only antique I've got, that's why I've brought it.

0:45:220:45:25

OK. Well, it's a lovely little thing.

0:45:250:45:26

Very desirable, it's a dachshund,

0:45:260:45:28

people love dogs, they love dachshunds.

0:45:280:45:30

This one dates from around about 1900, 1910.

0:45:300:45:33

-What about yours, Ronnie?

-Same.

0:45:330:45:35

Exactly the same sort of date.

0:45:350:45:36

Great polychrome on this. Great cold-painting.

0:45:360:45:39

The colours are still quite fresh and nice.

0:45:390:45:41

Where did you get yours?

0:45:410:45:42

It was given to my husband and I when we got married,

0:45:420:45:45

by my mother-in-law.

0:45:450:45:47

Antonio is an artist who's still working today in the Philippines,

0:45:480:45:53

so this is a long, long, long way from home.

0:45:530:45:56

Can I ask, what drew you to the picture?

0:45:560:46:00

It just looks very Picasso-esque

0:46:000:46:03

and modernist, cubist-type. I love it.

0:46:030:46:07

The whole ethos of Cubism was to portray three-dimensional forms

0:46:070:46:11

using lots of facets and planes on a two-dimensional surface,

0:46:110:46:15

which is exactly what Antonio has been inspired to do here.

0:46:150:46:20

Well, I'm going to go first on value, OK?

0:46:210:46:23

-OK.

-How does £400 to £600 at auction grab you?

0:46:230:46:25

Wow!

0:46:250:46:27

I thought you were going to say about £40.

0:46:270:46:30

No. It's a lovely little thing.

0:46:300:46:31

Certainly worth in that sort of ballpark.

0:46:310:46:34

-Your turn, Ronnie.

-This one's not a dog,

0:46:340:46:36

but it's still a popular subject,

0:46:360:46:37

and this one is £600 to £800 in value.

0:46:370:46:41

Wow. That's fantastic.

0:46:410:46:42

So, as an early work

0:46:420:46:43

by one of the Philippines' most well-known artists today,

0:46:430:46:47

it's probably worth around between £1,000 to £2,000.

0:46:470:46:51

Wow. I didn't think it would be that much.

0:46:510:46:54

I found it when I was clearing out my late sister's house.

0:46:570:47:01

This, and a few dress rings,

0:47:010:47:02

where in a bin liner in a box in the bottom of one of the drawers.

0:47:020:47:06

And I just thought it was a very attractive thing,

0:47:060:47:09

and I saw the maker's name,

0:47:090:47:10

was able to look at that on the internet.

0:47:100:47:13

-Mm-hm.

-Someone has since told me

0:47:130:47:15

that they think the hallmark is 1826...

0:47:150:47:17

So you've done a little research?

0:47:170:47:18

A little bit, yes.

0:47:180:47:20

But I know very little, other than that.

0:47:200:47:22

-And you haven't had it running?

-No.

0:47:220:47:24

No, I don't have a key to make it run.

0:47:240:47:26

And I'm a bit wary of...

0:47:260:47:27

That's a good reason for not running it - "I have no key."

0:47:270:47:30

I'm a bit wary of over-handling it.

0:47:300:47:32

Fair enough. Well, you're right about the name.

0:47:320:47:34

It's a magic name. Parkinson & Frodsham.

0:47:340:47:37

London, of course. And it's numbered 1230.

0:47:370:47:41

-Yes.

-Let me see if you're right about the hallmark...

0:47:410:47:44

which certainly should be

0:47:440:47:46

inside the back of the case.

0:47:460:47:48

And you're absolutely right.

0:47:490:47:51

The London marks with the big I of 1826.

0:47:510:47:55

-Wow.

-So, those two bits of research have paid off.

0:47:550:47:58

Did you discover much about Parkinson & Frodsham?

0:47:580:48:00

I saw that they had been responsible for ships' chronometers.

0:48:000:48:05

-Mm-hm.

-And that they supplied the ship's chronometer

0:48:050:48:07

for Darwin's Beagle expedition.

0:48:070:48:09

So, do you think that this could be a pocket chronometer?

0:48:090:48:13

Have you looked inside?

0:48:130:48:14

Only to the extent that I've looked at the workings,

0:48:140:48:16

but as a non-expert, that doesn't mean a great deal to me.

0:48:160:48:19

Let's just flip open the top.

0:48:190:48:21

There we go. And you can see there...

0:48:210:48:24

..a wonderful signature.

0:48:250:48:27

And I can tell you straightaway it is a pocket chronometer.

0:48:270:48:29

Wow.

0:48:290:48:31

-Wow!

-A very, very accurate movement indeed.

0:48:310:48:35

-I can also tell you, just looking here...

-I wonder why.

0:48:350:48:39

..that this spring detent,

0:48:390:48:41

that's the bit under there, is lacking,

0:48:410:48:44

and your balance has got a broken pivot.

0:48:440:48:47

-Right.

-So I'm really glad you didn't have the key

0:48:470:48:50

and I'm really glad you didn't try to make it run.

0:48:500:48:53

Now, the 24-hour dial

0:48:530:48:56

is one of the things

0:48:560:48:59

that Parkinson & Frodsham did for chronometers

0:48:590:49:03

that were sidereally rated.

0:49:030:49:05

Now, sidereal time is more accurate,

0:49:050:49:09

if you like, than solar time.

0:49:090:49:12

I won't explain any more than that,

0:49:120:49:13

because it will go on for far too long.

0:49:130:49:15

You've mentioned the Beagle.

0:49:150:49:17

I would put it to you

0:49:180:49:20

that this was a chronometer of importance.

0:49:200:49:23

-Oh.

-And it would be well worthwhile

0:49:230:49:26

finding out from the Royal Observatory at Greenwich

0:49:260:49:30

if there are any details of this particular chronometer,

0:49:300:49:33

and whether it went on expeditions,

0:49:330:49:35

or whether it was used for naval use.

0:49:350:49:37

-Wow.

-This is a very good item.

0:49:370:49:41

That's amazing. That's incredible.

0:49:410:49:43

Thank you. I had no idea.

0:49:430:49:45

It's a great object. I love the dial.

0:49:460:49:49

OK, there's a little bit of hairline cracking down there

0:49:490:49:51

but, fundamentally, it's got a lot of potential.

0:49:510:49:54

-Wow.

-At the moment, in its current condition,

0:49:540:49:57

which is a little bit iffy,

0:49:570:50:00

we would be talking about £3,000 to £4,000.

0:50:000:50:02

-Right.

-If the detent and the balance and everything had been perfect,

0:50:020:50:07

and the dial hadn't been cracked,

0:50:070:50:09

we'd be talking 6,000 to 8,000.

0:50:090:50:12

-Gosh.

-Now, if we can find evidence

0:50:120:50:14

that it's been on superb expeditions,

0:50:140:50:16

it just goes on and on and on.

0:50:160:50:18

Because it's to do with the provenance.

0:50:180:50:21

But all that matters is,

0:50:210:50:22

I'm really glad you rescued it from the bag of rubbish.

0:50:220:50:24

From the bin liner. Yeah, absolutely!

0:50:240:50:26

Thank you. That's wonderful.

0:50:260:50:27

I've heard about you.

0:50:310:50:33

People have been telling me all day,

0:50:330:50:35

"There's a lady walking round with a really nice vase

0:50:350:50:38

"that she's wrapped really badly in a bag

0:50:380:50:41

"and telling everybody she can't stand it."

0:50:410:50:44

-Is this you?

-Yes.

0:50:440:50:46

Go on, then, spill the beans. What are you on about?

0:50:470:50:50

Well, it's been sitting on my bedroom windowsill

0:50:500:50:53

for about 20 years.

0:50:530:50:55

-OK.

-I was given it by my great-aunt. And, yeah, that's about it.

0:50:550:50:59

I don't really like it!

0:50:590:51:01

Have you ever noticed any writing on it?

0:51:010:51:03

-Erm...

-Just there, for instance.

0:51:030:51:06

Can you read that?

0:51:060:51:08

"R Lalique, France."

0:51:080:51:09

"R Lalique, France."

0:51:090:51:11

Have you ever heard of Rene Lalique?

0:51:110:51:13

I've heard of Lalique.

0:51:130:51:15

So, Rene Lalique is the greatest glass designer of the 20th century,

0:51:150:51:18

and his work falls into several categories,

0:51:180:51:22

but the principal ones are

0:51:220:51:24

the "R" pieces - R Lalique, which predate his death in 1945 -

0:51:240:51:29

and the "not R" - just the "Lalique" pieces -

0:51:290:51:31

which post-date his death in 1945.

0:51:310:51:33

So, this is R Lalique,

0:51:330:51:35

so it's a Rene piece, it's called Marguerite,

0:51:350:51:39

which is a form of daisy.

0:51:390:51:41

-Right.

-It was designed in 1923,

0:51:410:51:44

and it's mould-blown,

0:51:440:51:46

by blowing in a pipe

0:51:460:51:48

into a pattern mould,

0:51:480:51:50

and then the centres of the flowers

0:51:500:51:54

are then stained,

0:51:540:51:55

in order to give it greater depth and its greater quality.

0:51:550:51:59

It's not only a vase.

0:51:590:52:00

It also works as a lamp.

0:52:000:52:02

You could put a clamp on here

0:52:020:52:05

and have a...

0:52:050:52:06

So, it's a lamp or a vase, depending on what you like.

0:52:060:52:08

So, this old bit of rubbish

0:52:090:52:12

that has really seen better days...

0:52:120:52:15

Because somebody hasn't really been looking after it very well.

0:52:150:52:18

That's probably because they don't like it.

0:52:180:52:21

But to somebody who appreciates it...

0:52:210:52:24

..it would be worth

0:52:250:52:27

between £1,000 and £1,500!

0:52:270:52:30

-Oh, my gosh.

-So you can chuck it back in your old bag,

0:52:320:52:34

and continue treating it like a load of old filth if you like.

0:52:340:52:37

But, on the other hand, you might consider it,

0:52:370:52:40

at 1,500 quid, to be worth looking after, you big nitwit!

0:52:400:52:43

Wow. That's amazing.

0:52:430:52:45

-That's incredible. Thank you.

-You're most welcome.

0:52:450:52:48

It's been a real pleasure telling you!

0:52:480:52:51

We have one of these famous cliches in the art world, which goes,

0:52:540:52:58

"I met this bloke the other day

0:52:580:52:59

"who says he bought a genuine Picasso

0:52:590:53:02

"in a house-clearance sale."

0:53:020:53:04

Where did you buy this?

0:53:050:53:07

A house-clearance sale.

0:53:070:53:08

And who do you think it's by?

0:53:080:53:11

Picasso.

0:53:110:53:12

OK. So, am I right in thinking you're from Germany?

0:53:120:53:16

Yes, we are. We came especially to see you here in Harrogate.

0:53:160:53:19

Well, we're deeply flattered.

0:53:190:53:21

Let's see if we can help.

0:53:210:53:22

Now, how did you come across this drawing?

0:53:220:53:24

My wife and I, we don't really get the chance

0:53:240:53:26

to do the big summer holidays any more

0:53:260:53:28

because we're both very busy people.

0:53:280:53:30

But we love to drive,

0:53:300:53:32

so we take two, three days' drive,

0:53:320:53:34

you know, different countries.

0:53:340:53:36

And we were to the south of Paris,

0:53:360:53:38

and my wife spotted a large estate,

0:53:380:53:42

they were looking like there were loads of people,

0:53:420:53:44

loads of things going on,

0:53:440:53:46

and we stopped, and we bought a beautiful 1930s Lalique plate,

0:53:460:53:50

a little oil painting

0:53:500:53:52

and a box of, I suppose, miscellaneous frames,

0:53:520:53:56

and paid about 50 euro for the box.

0:53:560:53:59

I suppose you can tell where this story's going.

0:53:590:54:01

So the box contains...

0:54:010:54:03

-Yes.

-This.

-When we came home,

0:54:030:54:05

I just went through the frames and everything

0:54:050:54:07

and I thought, "Hmm, this looks interesting."

0:54:070:54:10

And I thought, I'll give my husband a call and I say,

0:54:100:54:13

"I've seen this painting and it's got a signature, Picasso.

0:54:130:54:16

So, is it or not? I don't know.

0:54:160:54:18

So the first thing is, then, you set eyes upon this,

0:54:180:54:21

this object from a box which you paid 50 euros for,

0:54:210:54:24

and you see the Picasso signature

0:54:240:54:26

and, of course, looking at the drawing itself,

0:54:260:54:28

you can understand how it could be a Picasso.

0:54:280:54:32

-Yes.

-I mean, it's got that wonderfully spare line.

0:54:320:54:35

It looks like a work of the, perhaps, 1920s.

0:54:350:54:38

-They look like ballerinas, don't they?

-Yes.

0:54:380:54:40

And there's a lovely simplicity in the line.

0:54:400:54:43

You know, he manages, whoever the artist is,

0:54:430:54:45

to achieve a lot by saying very little.

0:54:450:54:47

-Yes.

-And that, of course, is a characteristic of Picasso.

0:54:470:54:51

Have you done some research?

0:54:510:54:52

Because he is, of course, working in the mid-1920s with the ballet.

0:54:520:54:56

Yes, this is a picture of him that we found,

0:54:560:54:58

with his wife, arriving in Monte Carlo

0:54:580:55:02

in March 1925.

0:55:020:55:03

Following the ballet?

0:55:030:55:04

Following the Ballets Russes

0:55:040:55:06

before they went to Paris for the summer season.

0:55:060:55:09

Excellent. So, we're getting Picasso into the scene of the crime,

0:55:090:55:12

so he's around 1925,

0:55:120:55:14

and you have a photograph to prove it.

0:55:140:55:16

Now, you've got, with it,

0:55:160:55:19

a photocopy from a book on Picasso drawings.

0:55:190:55:23

Yes, this is a book from 1956, Balletzeichnungen.

0:55:230:55:27

A friend of a friend found this for us,

0:55:270:55:30

and it details all of the drawings

0:55:300:55:32

that Picasso did, in the 1920s, of ballet.

0:55:320:55:38

And lo and behold, ours appears.

0:55:380:55:42

So this is... So this is rather astonishing.

0:55:420:55:45

So, in that box, that magic box

0:55:450:55:47

that you've bought for 50 euros,

0:55:470:55:50

you have found a drawing

0:55:500:55:51

that relates to what Picasso was doing in the mid-'20s,

0:55:510:55:53

you now find a book with what appears to be your very drawing

0:55:530:55:58

illustrated as a work by Picasso.

0:55:580:56:00

Yes. Obviously, it would almost be too good to be true,

0:56:000:56:04

so we have another friend of a friend in Berlin,

0:56:040:56:08

and we showed it to them to say, "We have this,

0:56:080:56:11

"could you please give us an indication of what this might be?"

0:56:110:56:14

And they are saying it is a 1920s paper

0:56:140:56:20

with 1920s India ink.

0:56:200:56:22

I mean, that's the crucial thing - that it's not a print,

0:56:220:56:25

but then it could well be an Indian ink drawing

0:56:250:56:28

of the type that he used.

0:56:280:56:30

-Yes.

-So... So, this is looking really good.

0:56:300:56:33

I mean, you're convinced - and I have to say,

0:56:330:56:35

from where I'm standing it does look like a drawing -

0:56:350:56:37

you have a drawing, the drawing is illustrated,

0:56:370:56:39

you've got the provenance.

0:56:390:56:40

Of course, you know what you've got to do next, don't you?

0:56:400:56:43

I mean, there's only one way to get a Picasso through

0:56:430:56:46

and that's to go to the Picasso family

0:56:460:56:48

and get the stamp of approval.

0:56:480:56:50

And, as I'm sure you know, that is no easy task.

0:56:500:56:54

Sometimes they say yes, and sometimes they say non.

0:56:540:56:59

If it's by Picasso -

0:56:590:57:00

and it's looking good -

0:57:000:57:02

it's worth £60,000 to £80,000.

0:57:020:57:04

Well, Picasso Institute, here we come.

0:57:070:57:10

Well, be prepared.

0:57:100:57:11

You know, there are names that you dream

0:57:150:57:17

might turn up on the Antiques Roadshow,

0:57:170:57:19

and Picasso has to be right up there.

0:57:190:57:22

What an incredible find -

0:57:220:57:24

and what a story.

0:57:240:57:25

We're all hugely excited.

0:57:260:57:28

From the Antiques Roadshow team, in Harrogate, bye-bye.

0:57:280:57:31

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