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Imagine if you could live in one of the finest country houses in the land.

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Wouldn't it be great?

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Imagine if you had TWO to choose from.

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Well, that was the dilemma facing William Cavendish in 1858,

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when he inherited Chatsworth House in Derbyshire,

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and this glorious place.

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Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow

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from Holker Hall and Gardens in Cumbria.

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'Unlike many grand houses,

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'Holker Hall has never been bought or sold.

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'For the past 400 years,

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'it's changed hands through marriage or inheritance.

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'Every generation seems to have fallen in love with it.

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'And who can blame them?

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That was certainly the case for William Cavendish,

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the seventh Duke of Devonshire.

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Holker Hall, set between the tidal estuary of Morecambe Bay

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and the Lake District which so inspired William Wordsworth,

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also appealed to the Duke.

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And he decided THIS was the place he wanted to raise his family.

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There's some touching mementos of family life, like this screen,

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for example, which was made by the children.

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And it features scenes from Russia, like the Kremlin, here, for example.

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The children had never been,

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but it was around the time of the Crimean War, the 1850s.

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And then look at this.

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It's called a nursery yacht. It's a very rare survivor.

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There are very few left in the country.

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Can you imagine? What fun for the children,

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rocking backwards and forwards on this.

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I'm sure our experts would love to see it.

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This idyllic family life was nearly brought to an abrupt end

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in the early hours of March the 9th, 1871,

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when a fire started here in one of the children's bedrooms.

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Fortunately, everybody got out safely.

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But it wrought terrible destruction.

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Valuable books, furniture and paintings were lost for ever,

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as the west wing of the house was completely gutted by the flames.

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Almost as soon as the embers stopped burning,

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the Duke decided to rebuild this part of the house,

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and it was going to be more spectacular than ever.

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His daughter Louisa took charge, and oversaw much of the grand design.

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And work began within weeks.

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The reconstruction of this entire wing took three years.

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The final touch was this inscription on the fireplace to mark the

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completion of the rebuild in 1874.

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And the wooden panelling holds a message as well.

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The Duke wanted to thank his daughter Louisa

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for her efforts and unswerving loyalty,

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so each letter of her name is inscribed in the paneling.

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Today, Holker is still lived in by members of the Cavendish family,

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who are our hosts

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as we welcome visitors to today's Antiques Roadshow.

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Let's join them in the Deer Park and in the formal gardens.

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Here at Holker Hall, I understand there's an annual flower festival.

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Now, I think this could be the prize exhibit.

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-Where did you get it?

-I inherited it. It belonged to my grandfather.

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I remember it hanging on the wall of their house

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when I was a small child.

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And my grandfather had a sister who lived in Singapore in the 1920s,

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and almost certainly bought it in the Far East.

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The type of decoration, I don't know if you know,

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it's known as mille-fleurs, or a "thousand flower" decoration,

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which was developed in China...

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Well, this is a Chinese dish.

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Developed in China at the beginning of the 18th century

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and carried on for some time. But it really is quite rare on this scale.

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If we turn it over...

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How are we going to do this?

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HE GRUNTS

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That way up, there we are.

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There is a four-character imperial reign mark.

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It reads Qianlong, Nanjing.

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The Qianlong Emperor reigned from 1736 to 1795.

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But the question with this dish is,

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is it an 18th century dish from the Qianlong reign

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or is it a copy from a later date?

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Um... And it makes a huge difference to its value.

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It's a question of judging it on the quality of decoration.

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Is it of imperial quality?

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Is it from an imperial workshop?

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The shape of the dish comes into it.

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Is this an 18th century shape?

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Is this a 19th century shape?

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And also, how the mark is painted, the quality of the mark,

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and the style of the mark.

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Um, I've got absolutely no doubt that this is a 19th century dish,

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rather than a Qianlong one.

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But what you want to know is the value, don't you?

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It has a small chip on the rim, just down here.

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And that does make a difference.

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I think at auction, even with this little chip here,

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we're looking at £2,500 - £3,500.

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Oh! Gosh.

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Gosh.

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Had it been a Qianlong piece from the 18th century,

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it would have been...

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..maybe 200,000.

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Whoa, God!

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CROWD LAUGH

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-Oh, dear.

-Even chipped.

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Yes. Yes.

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To me at first glance, and I'm sure anyone else looking at this now,

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it looks like a typical French 19th century, mid-19th century table.

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But we know it's different, don't we?

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We do. It's actually Russian.

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-Russian.

-Yes.

-It's amazing.

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-Where did you get it from, Russia?

-A shop in Stockport.

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But it never got into the shop.

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You bought it off the back of a van, or something?

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-We bought it off the back of a van.

-It's lovely.

-Well, a friend did.

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-Yes. OK.

-Yes.

-Of course, it's a small lady's writing desk.

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Um... We know there's a label under here.

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-Yeah.

-The label reads in Russian,

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this table was from the red room in the Winter Palace,

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which is the official residence of the royal family, the czars.

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-What do you know about it?

-They were sold off, in the 1920s.

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After the revolution, they sold a lot of furniture off.

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They had... Yes, I think some big auctions

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in I think 1929, revolutionary sales.

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-Yes.

-Yes.

-And that's how it came to, presumably, England.

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Presumably, yes.

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-What happened...

-If only it could talk to us and tell us more.

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What's it seen? Who's written at it?

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-Yeah.

-In Russia in the 1850s.

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-I mean, it's fascinating.

-Yes.

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I mean, it looks exactly like a French-made 19th century,

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what's known as Napoleon III, Napoleon Trois.

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It's known as Boulle as well. This is a generic name.

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Boulle was a 17th-century cabinet maker, marqueter, inlaid marquetry,

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and he specialised in wood marquetry,

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also this type of brass and turtle shell.

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-Yes.

-Commonly thought to be tortoiseshell.

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It's not. It's sea turtle.

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-Right.

-Turtle shell.

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The red, and the brass.

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This is known as contra partie, so the main body is brass,

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and there would be a counterpart to this somewhere in the world,

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possibly in Russia, where the main part is the red turtle shell,

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and the smaller parts are brass.

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I think that these panels are possibly made in Paris

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and sent to Russia.

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Why? Because you see the joints here? All four centres,

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there's no real join. It's sort of...

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They hadn't quite finished it.

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No Frenchman would do that.

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They'll have a little mask in there, a face,

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or something just to join it together.

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I think somebody's sold the marquetry to the Russian maker.

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The other main giveaway,

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when we open the drawer here,

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we can see it's got this nice, thick lining here...

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-Yeah.

-..which is very unusual, and certainly not a French style.

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But more importantly, the thin lock here with the telltale here,

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this single throw lock and a very narrow tongue

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that is absolutely typical of... Well, it's...

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It's not French. They just never did it like that.

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And this shape is Germanic, possibly Russian.

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And that just confirms

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this extraordinary rare label on the back.

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So what... So when did you get it? A long time ago?

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It was... I think the late '70s.

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-Right. Right.

-Yeah.

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I mean, as a French desk of the mid-19th century,

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it's worth £2,000-£3,000.

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We all know that Russians are potentially big buyers,

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and the market is up and down, of course, all the time,

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so it's very unpredictable.

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But I think, instead of two or £3,000, I'm going to say...

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..£12,000 to £18,000.

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Oh, gosh.

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-That's good.

-And, keep going, because it's from the Winter Palace.

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-Thank you.

-Thank you very much. Thank you.

-Thank you.

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Keep your back straight. That's it.

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Head up.

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Oh, my goodness me!

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What a... A fabulous bit of weightlifting equipment.

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And, yeah, thanks on that bone-crushing handshake!

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-Oh, sorry.

-Look, you look fit as a fiddle.

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How long have you been acquainted with this weightlifting...?

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Almost 60 years I've had this bar, yes.

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And still going today?

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Well...

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-Yes, I've got a pulse!

-LAUGHTER

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Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

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-76.

-Wow.

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Well, you're a great inspiration.

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I understand this dates really from the early 20th century?

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-I'd say 1907, 1908.

-1907.

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-Yeah.

-And of course this was a time, late Victorian, Edwardian period,

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when people were getting more interested in their health,

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what their bodies looked like, there was new,

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patent fitness machines coming on.

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-Yeah. Oh, yeah.

-And by the 1920s,

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when body beautiful was what everybody wanted,

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it was high-fashion across many nations.

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-Yeah.

-The bar itself is made of brass.

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And... The bar itself is steel, actually.

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Right, so a steel core.

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-Steel core, yeah.

-Sort of a shell or a tube of brass over that.

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-Yeah. Yeah.

-And of course it has on this end a magnificently thick gauge

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collar, with this equally thick gauge hand tightening wheel.

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I mean, that's like something...

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I know of no other variant

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of this Bull and Paton bar that has got these.

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-Yeah.

-So I think it's unique.

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I think it was either a prototype or...

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-Yeah.

-..built for an exhibition.

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-Wow.

-Because it must have been 40 years old when I got it.

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Yes. Is this all the weights you've got?

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-I mean...

-Oh, no, I've got quite a few at home.

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All right. With the Camberwell stamp on them.

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I've got... Well, I've got two 50 pounders in the car.

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But...

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Oh, yeah.

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For practical purposes, yeah.

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Cos, you know, this is such a rare piece.

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And, I mean, there is a market for these.

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And I think that you could sell this at auction for around £2,500.

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Oh, really?

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But you've got two more weights in the car.

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So why don't we add another 500 and make it 3,000?

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Oh! Very nice.

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Well, looking at these 19th century dresses,

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I can't help but notice the size of this waistline.

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I don't think I know anyone who could fit into a dress like this.

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Why do you have them?

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Oh, I just love them.

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I think they're so beautiful,

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and they portray an era that we've lost completely.

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And they're just ever so nice to have.

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-They're just beautiful.

-And how did they all find their way to you?

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Well, it's a long story.

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But basically, people learned that I was very interested in this type of

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thing, and they gave me them.

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-Which is incredible.

-So, of the...

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Of the ones that you have in the collection, are there more than this?

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I have got quite a few more.

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Perhaps not as flamboyant and beautiful as these,

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but nevertheless, they still portray that era of long-gone elegance.

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Don't they just? And I think I am instantly drawn to these two in

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-particular.

-Yes.

-Where did these come from?

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Well, these are Ulverston dresses.

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These were two Ulverston ladies.

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That one was Mary Petty, and she lived in Bardsley and Ulverston,

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but unfortunately, as it was in those days,

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she died when she was 16.

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-Oh, gosh!

-This is her sister, Hannah Petty.

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And obviously she lived for quite some time afterwards.

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She's... She's slightly larger than Mary, but nevertheless,

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I know the pedigree, as it were.

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It sounds as though you know these dresses sort of through and through.

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And the way you refer to these...

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Do the other dresses have names, too?

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They do, yes.

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That one there is Minnie Briggs.

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Now, she was married in Ulverston parish church,

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and I'm a bell-ringer,

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and when I come down from the bell tower,

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I often think about Minnie

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walking up the aisle of the church in the 1870s.

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Possibly in this... In this dress.

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In that dress, yes, in that very dress.

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You really have got the history that goes with them.

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This is so often what's lost.

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What about the others?

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Well, here we have Sarah Huddleston.

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Now, she was a farmer's wife, and she lived at Baycliff just outside Ulverston.

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And although you can't tell sitting on the chair,

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she is an unusually tall lady for Victorian days.

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She must be about five foot ten.

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And this is a very sort of humble, 1830s dress.

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They're all day dresses, aren't they?

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-Yes. Yes.

-And all of these materials have been printed.

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This is really a stunning little dress, isn't it?

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So it dates from the 1830s, I would say.

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And actually, I can't help but think

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of the young Queen Victoria when I look at something like this.

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-Yes.

-The low neckline, the very tight bodice

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with a corseted waist,

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and then the skirt, pleated and just beginning to be full.

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But I love the trimmings.

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Oh, yes. Beautiful, yeah!

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What do you like about them?

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Oh, it's the green fringing and how it tones in with the rest of the colours.

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The dressmaker must have taken great pains in finding exactly the right colour.

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Dresses through the 19th century would have been made...

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Normally, the silk dresses would be made sort of at

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the top end of the range.

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And then there were dresses made for the middle classes

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that were more likely to be printed cottons.

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And I think that these two dresses

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fit into that sort of middle-class bracket.

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You're so enthusiastic about these.

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You don't really want to know the value, do you?

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Not at all.

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None the less, I'm going to tell you, um,

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that I think each of these dresses is worth

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around £400.

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And, um, the others, around £100 or so,

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and then maybe £50 to £100 for the other two.

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But these really stand out.

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I could never, ever part with them. They're wonderful.

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The House at Pooh Corner by A.A. Milne, illustrated by EH Shepard.

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A first edition, and it is signed.

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It's got a dust wrapper on it, which is almost unheard of.

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So you paid top price for it?

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About £250 for it.

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Well, now it's probably worth £2,000-£2,500.

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Well, that is surprising, that really was a good buy, then.

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I think it was an incredible buy!

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You take it to our jewellery experts.

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I think they will find that very interesting.

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One of the risks of country houses such as Holker, in the old days of course,

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was fire. So many houses were destroyed by fire.

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And they had their own firemen, if you like,

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because there was no organised fire brigade.

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-Exactly.

-And what these helmets tell us, which is an amazing collection,

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is of course we are dealing with the development of the Fire Service.

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-That's right.

-Why did you come to this subject?

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I used to be a fireman, and at one stage I was on long-term sick

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and I needed something to do

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and somebody sent me a helmet, and that was it.

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I got the bug. And it's just escalated ever since.

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-How many helmets now?

-About 100.

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So you have become addicted to the history of the Fire Service?

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.

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-It's your thing?

-It is.

-Where does it start?

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Does it start with military style..?

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Basically, yeah, military style.

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Which, that's an 1880s French one.

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Right. In France wasn't the Fire Service part of the Army, initially?

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It was, it was, that's exactly what that one is.

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So when you were working as a fireman,

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were you interested in the history?

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Yeah. I've always had a passion towards the history of it, yeah.

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-What's that?

-That...

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..that's as Chicago Fire helmet from basically the 1900s.

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It's called a high eagle pattern,

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hence the high eagle and the big badge.

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It's basically made out of buffalo hide and very strong.

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Why did they move away from the metal?

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A lot of them were being made of brass and copper,

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and when electricity came into being

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firemen were starting to get electrocuted.

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So you had to have a material that was not...

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-Nonconductive.

-Nonconductive.

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OK. So we get leather, we get...

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Cork, papier mache.

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Papier mache. And various sort of moulded materials.

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-That's right.

-So, when you were in service, what were you wearing?

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One similar to that one down there with the two red stripes,

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what they call a Middlesex pattern, which was made out of cork.

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Nowadays everything is much more standardised.

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-That's right, yeah.

-We're looking at a period,

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late Victorian, early 20th century,

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when little local brigades were established, is that right?

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That's right, that's right.

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And they all had their own badges.

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-Exactly.

-They had their own helmet style.

-They did.

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And, of course, that's what,

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-I suppose, appeals to collectors?

-Exactly, yeah.

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You got very, very small packets of history.

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That's right, yes.

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When did it all become standardised?

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Erm, basically, after the war.

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There were five or six specific patterns.

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-So it becomes the national Fire Service?

-It did, yeah. Yeah.

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There are collectors worldwide.

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Oh, yes, yes. I talk to one or two from various countries.

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I have a friend in Slovakia

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who, I send him police helmets and he sends me fire helmets.

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-We exchange.

-So the world is your oyster?

-Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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-You can go on forever, can't you?

-You're right. Yeah.

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What are you going to do when you've got 1,000, or 2,000?

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Oh, don't go there, don't go there!

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Get into trouble, I would think!

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LAUGHTER

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Now, standard helmets fetch £100, up to £250.

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That's right.

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Some are much more.

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-Yeah.

-Which ones here are much more?

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This particular pattern, they can go up to over £1,000.

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Yeah, so the average price, as I say, is £200, is that fair?

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-Yeah, yeah.

-You've got 100.

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-Yeah.

-Well, that takes us to £20,000.

-Yeah.

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I think we should stop there.

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Well, ears!

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-And then there are the exceptional ones, on top of that.

-Yeah, that's right.

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So that's creeping up to £25,000, isn't it?

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-Right, yeah.

-You can tell the story of the Fire Service

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better than anybody else.

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You're a great collector and it's wonderful to see them, thank you.

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Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Rather smart red leather box,

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tooling of gold round the edge and within is an enamelled pendant.

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So, tell me why you brought it along today to show it to me.

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I know it's a reliquary. It's got a relic in the back.

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My mother who - it belongs to her -

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has always said that she thought it was a Victorian copy.

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And I've always thought it was a lot older than that.

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You would like me to tell you that this was 16th century Elizabethan.

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Because it looks it, doesn't it?

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-That's what my husband thinks, actually.

-It's got the colour.

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It's got that renaissancey feel about it, hasn't it?

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-Doesn't it, doesn't it?

-And look at the colours.

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I mean it's very bold,

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polychrome colours, greens, whites, blues, reds.

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Line of rubies at the bottom here.

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-They are rubies?

-Yes.

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Is that giving you more cause for hope?

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Well, yes. I mean, a copy would be paste wouldn't it?

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It would be glass. I just think it's...

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And the fact that the enamel is slightly worn on the face...

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The enamel is worn on the front, turn it over,

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if it is a 16th century piece,

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it's got some very visible repairs that have been undertaken.

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You see that backplate, did you notice that backplate?

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I knew the backplate and I didn't know if it was a repair or what.

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Yes. It is a repair, unfortunately.

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All right, shall I tell you what it is?

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It's a late 19th-century Austro-Hungarian

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neo renaissance copy.

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-There you go.

-I know.

-My mum was right.

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I fear so. It's worth saying, they were very common,

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at the end of the 19th century,

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Middle European jewellery

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had this obsession with anything to do with the renaissance period

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so they made these sort of things.

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Why? Because apart from the fact everyone loved Tudor period,

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they also wanted to deceive people,

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so they've carried out their task with great aplomb, haven't they?

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-Totally, yeah.

-Let's put it like this,

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if it had been a genuine 16th century pendant, I would be standing

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here valuing it at at least, what? £10,000, probably £15,000.

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But, I'm afraid to tell you, it's only worth about £150.

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-Great. Because now I can wear it.

-You can wear it.

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-I adore it.

-Good.

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I bought this piece recently from my sister.

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These pieces actually belong to

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my brother at the moment but I'm custodian of them.

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So it's a family connection?

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They were collected by my grandfather who collected all sorts of things.

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I think your grandfather had great taste because these are both great

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examples of their sort.

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This is a classic piece of Pilkington's Lancastrian lustre

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with two of the best names.

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WS Mycock who decorated, Walter Crane who was the designer.

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The back is almost as beautiful as the front.

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It's a local piece made just down the road.

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And then these, these are Doulton Titanian Ware,

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which is Doulton from the 1920s but still at the top of their game.

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I think what I love about these,

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the owls and this quite formalised border,

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but this owl has caught three mice and this one has only caught one.

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There's a little bit of humour in them.

0:22:480:22:50

So you bought this from your sister?

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I paid her £500 for that.

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OK. What would you do if I told you it was worth more?

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I intend to pay her more.

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Well, you owe your sister £300,

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-it's worth £800.

-Is it really? Right.

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-Yeah, I'll make sure she gets it then.

-But she...

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That was witnessed everybody, wasn't it?

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And these aren't yours?

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They are not, they're my brother's.

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-They're worth £600, the pair.

-Are they? Very nice too.

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-OK?

-Thank you very much.

-It's a pleasure, thank you.

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I'm looking at a collection relating to the Glam Rock era in the UK,

0:23:240:23:29

things relating to Marc Bolan, to Carmen,

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to all kinds of other Glam Rock bands.

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And I have the real thing,

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in you, Paul Fenton, a drummer of wide experience.

0:23:360:23:40

Tell me who you were working with at that time?

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Yes, I met Jeff Christie back in the '60s and he was very lucky to have

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written Yellow River, which went to number one around the world,

0:23:500:23:53

in every record buying country in the world, so I got to travel with him.

0:23:530:23:56

Living in London of course, in Kensington,

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we used to meet some amazing people.

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Went down to the Kensington market to a guy, Ivanovic,

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who made all these amazing clothes,

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and met Carmen, they'd come over from America,

0:24:070:24:11

wanted to find a drummer who wore snakeskin and they went to the right place.

0:24:110:24:16

We got involved with Tony Visconti who was a famous producer who

0:24:160:24:19

was working with McCartney and Bowie and all the rest of it.

0:24:190:24:22

I met all those incredible people.

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I went to meet Marc and we toured for a while.

0:24:240:24:27

I mean, I think, let's try and remember back to 1970,

0:24:270:24:32

it's when Marc Bolan, T. Rex, released Ride A White Swan.

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When that got to number two in January 1971, bang,

0:24:360:24:40

something called T. Rex-stacy was born,

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which was a kind of Beatlemania for T. Rex.

0:24:430:24:46

Every gig that I went to with Marc,

0:24:460:24:50

there were 13 people on stage, session musicians, big band,

0:24:500:24:54

and you couldn't hear a thing for, it was mayhem.

0:24:540:24:59

They'd be screaming after Marc had left the theatre,

0:24:590:25:01

they would still be screaming half an hour after he had left.

0:25:010:25:04

That will always stay in my mind.

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And there was glitter on the cheekbones, there was,

0:25:060:25:09

you were wearing glitter, you were completely outrageous,

0:25:090:25:12

it was almost like a pantomime.

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I mean, this, you told me, Paul,

0:25:140:25:16

that you used to be able to fit that?

0:25:160:25:19

I did, yeah. I managed to get into it OK and drum with it and it was amazing.

0:25:190:25:22

I'd just never seen anything like it.

0:25:220:25:25

There was no-one else had jackets like this.

0:25:250:25:28

Everything was so individual.

0:25:280:25:30

Exactly. There is a photo here of Paul Alan from Carmen wearing it,

0:25:300:25:34

alongside Bowie, actually, and presumably, you all swapped clothes?

0:25:340:25:38

We did actually.

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So, Helen, you're Paul's partner,

0:25:400:25:42

what makes you interested in this particular period?

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Well, ever since leaving school when I studied fashion at college,

0:25:450:25:49

I have been so interested in this period.

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I can see why you're interested from a fashion point of view,

0:25:520:25:55

fashion historian.

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It just sums the whole period up.

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Now the suit furthest from me, there is a letter with that down here,

0:26:000:26:06

from a guy called Alfie who was Marc's bodyguard....

0:26:060:26:10

-Bodyguard.

-Minder, whatever.

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Minder, chauffeur, everything.

0:26:120:26:14

And the letter gives provenance that this was made for,

0:26:140:26:17

or certainly worn by Marc, it comes from a shop in Rodeo Drive.

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-That's right.

-And it's certainly the right style,

0:26:230:26:26

you could imagine Marc wearing that, couldn't you?

0:26:260:26:29

-Of course, yeah.

-And there is a wonderful memento from that time too,

0:26:290:26:33

which is this book that Marc wrote, it's called The Warlock Of Love,

0:26:330:26:37

and there is a fabulous dedication to Paul,

0:26:370:26:40

a beautiful friend, love Marc, kissy kissy.

0:26:400:26:44

-It's just great.

-Absolutely.

0:26:440:26:46

It was just, that was a show business thing with Marc, he was

0:26:460:26:51

very loving, very caring and then he would have that, personally,

0:26:510:26:56

he would take us out and be very generous.

0:26:560:26:58

And I have to say that T. Rex has gone in and out of value,

0:26:580:27:03

their fortunes since Marc died in 1977,

0:27:030:27:06

their fortunes have gone up and down.

0:27:060:27:09

Now, I think things are slightly settled, let's put it that way.

0:27:090:27:12

And I think that what we are looking at here is going to be, you know,

0:27:120:27:16

the jacket, perhaps we are talking about £300.

0:27:160:27:19

-Right.

-The suit,

0:27:190:27:21

it would be fantastic to have a

0:27:210:27:23

picture of Marc actually wearing that suit.

0:27:230:27:27

-Yeah, yeah.

-That would boost it into maybe the low four figures.

0:27:270:27:31

But at the moment I'd have to put it at perhaps £400.

0:27:310:27:34

This I think is the real treasure.

0:27:340:27:37

It may not be visually so exciting but this, to me, is wonderful,

0:27:370:27:42

-to have that.

-That was his own copy he gave me.

0:27:420:27:44

-That dedication.

-It was, yeah.

0:27:440:27:46

It's terrific. I would put this at around £500.

0:27:460:27:49

-Right, OK.

-Auction value.

0:27:490:27:51

I have really enjoyed sharing your memories.

0:27:510:27:54

We've enjoyed it immensely also.

0:27:540:27:56

Great, thanks.

0:27:560:27:58

MUSIC: Ride a White Swan by T. Rex

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We've had a lot of toys on the Antiques Roadshow,

0:28:190:28:22

but very seldom have we had such really tiny,

0:28:220:28:25

intricate lovely little ones like these.

0:28:250:28:29

Tell me the history of them?

0:28:290:28:31

Well, my grandfather was a handyman

0:28:310:28:34

for a lady in Dalton and as a present,

0:28:340:28:37

the lady gave these toys to my grandfather.

0:28:370:28:39

Now, the toys originally belonged to this lady's children and when they

0:28:390:28:44

grew up, they enlisted in the British Army,

0:28:440:28:47

went off to fight in the First World War and unfortunately they were both

0:28:470:28:51

killed on the same morning in a First World War battle.

0:28:510:28:55

Oh, my goodness. How old were they?

0:28:550:28:58

I couldn't tell you, obviously 18 at that time.

0:28:580:29:02

Yes, yes. But what a terrible story.

0:29:020:29:04

They must have enjoyed them when they were young,

0:29:040:29:08

and in those days children played very gently with their toys.

0:29:080:29:11

-Yes.

-Because they needed to be very gentle, didn't they?

-Yes.

0:29:110:29:14

They are, were known as penny toys

0:29:140:29:16

because they really didn't cost very much in the late 19th century.

0:29:160:29:20

They are by JP Meier from

0:29:200:29:23

Nuremberg, so you're right, they are German.

0:29:230:29:26

And they're made of tin.

0:29:260:29:28

Known as tin plate toys.

0:29:280:29:30

Just to give you an idea of how I know they are by Meier,

0:29:300:29:34

first of all I found this, which is

0:29:340:29:37

Ges Gesch, the registered trademark.

0:29:370:29:40

Just to show that they were registered in Germany.

0:29:400:29:42

And then, the only one that's got anything on it to show me that

0:29:420:29:47

it is Meier is that little mark there,

0:29:470:29:52

which is an M.

0:29:520:29:54

They were started in 1894, Meier,

0:29:540:29:58

and then they went on right through to 1920.

0:29:580:30:01

So these could be somewhere around 1900.

0:30:010:30:06

They are quite flimsy, really, very light.

0:30:060:30:09

A lot of work in them.

0:30:090:30:11

But they are still in such good condition,

0:30:110:30:14

considering they are so terribly fragile.

0:30:140:30:17

I would put an estimate, at auction, of £500-£800.

0:30:170:30:24

Yes. Very good. Excellent. Yes. Yes.

0:30:240:30:26

-Pleased?

-Yes, it's a bit more than I thought they would be.

0:30:260:30:29

-Yes.

-Bit more?

-Yes, yes. Very good, excellent.

0:30:290:30:32

So, you've brought us in a wonderful piece of local history,

0:30:340:30:37

the Ulverston Fire Brigade.

0:30:370:30:39

You've got the fire attendance book and the fire report made up by the

0:30:390:30:45

fire captain here.

0:30:450:30:47

Now, what is the significance?

0:30:470:30:49

We've opened this a particular date. October 28 1904.

0:30:490:30:52

This is the date that our local theatre burnt down.

0:30:520:30:56

Opposite the theatre is where Stan Laurel was born and this is where he

0:30:560:30:59

did his first acting at.

0:30:590:31:01

Laurel and Hardy, the comedians?

0:31:010:31:03

Yes, he was born in Ulverston, in Argyle Street.

0:31:030:31:05

-Yeah.

-And the theatre that we're looking at now burnt down.

0:31:050:31:09

So, look, here we are,

0:31:090:31:10

the total cost of having all the fireman there was two pounds seven shillings.

0:31:100:31:15

And this is the report from the fire chief.

0:31:150:31:18

It was started by a gas burner dropping out on light being applied

0:31:180:31:23

which caught, lovely spelling here,

0:31:230:31:26

which caught the scenery

0:31:260:31:29

and there was no insurance and the damage was not

0:31:290:31:33

so large as first thought.

0:31:330:31:35

I mean, it's all here, isn't it?

0:31:350:31:36

Lovely local history. 50 years of fire.

0:31:360:31:39

How can we value that?

0:31:390:31:41

And who would ever know that Stan Laurel was behind these pages?

0:31:410:31:45

-That's right.

-We have to put a price on it.

0:31:450:31:48

I'm going to say £1,000.

0:31:480:31:51

Wonderful. Right.

0:31:510:31:53

I'm just amazed by that.

0:31:530:31:56

Well, be careful as you go home.

0:31:560:31:58

Yes, yes. Right.

0:31:580:32:00

She was a vision of delight when first she gleaned upon my sight,

0:32:010:32:05

a lovely apparition sent, to be a moment's ornament.

0:32:050:32:09

And I can't help getting so poetic about a beautiful sculpture

0:32:090:32:14

made by Lutiger. But tell me, what do you know about it?

0:32:140:32:18

It was left to me through my great-grandfather.

0:32:180:32:21

His sister was married to the artist.

0:32:210:32:24

He was born in Lucerne, Switzerland, in 1871.

0:32:240:32:30

And he moved to London and was naturalised in 1912.

0:32:300:32:35

Became a British subject.

0:32:350:32:37

And married the same year to my great-grandfather's sister.

0:32:370:32:40

Well, he popped off to Paris in between

0:32:400:32:42

because he studied at the Academie de Marne in Paris.

0:32:420:32:46

And though this is a sculpture of a beautiful lady,

0:32:460:32:51

he was also an animalier,

0:32:510:32:53

a sculptor trained in the tradition of sculpting animals.

0:32:530:32:55

Lions, tigers.

0:32:550:32:57

Most of his work was with animals.

0:32:570:32:59

-Yeah.

-This is the only non-animal one that I know about.

0:32:590:33:02

He exhibited at many different places.

0:33:020:33:05

He was a Royal Academician up until 1931.

0:33:050:33:09

And that was quite late because he died, was it 19...

0:33:090:33:12

-33 he died.

-33, yes.

0:33:120:33:15

You can't see from the front but round the back,

0:33:150:33:18

she has an apple in her hand.

0:33:180:33:21

Symbolic of being Eve.

0:33:210:33:24

There is no doubt in my mind he's a skilled, skilled sculptor.

0:33:240:33:28

Because he knows how to follow the lines,

0:33:280:33:31

even down to the detail of the little lock of hair.

0:33:310:33:34

That is beautiful, that is just that little extra touch.

0:33:340:33:38

So it's signed,

0:33:380:33:41

Lutiger, and it's dated 1923-24 on the base.

0:33:410:33:44

Clearly inscribed in the bronze.

0:33:440:33:47

It may have been a single piece,

0:33:470:33:49

there wouldn't be another one, I don't think.

0:33:490:33:52

If you put this into auction, it must carry a valuation

0:33:520:33:57

of probably...

0:33:570:33:59

-£1,200-£1,500.

-So much?

0:33:590:34:02

And I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't make a little bit more.

0:34:020:34:05

I love her, it's even got me reciting poetry.

0:34:050:34:08

Thank you, thank you very much.

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For this week's enigma, we have Mark Hill to thank.

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Mark, you have been touring around museums of the Lake District and you

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have come up with this extraordinary, rather baffling object,

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for which you will give us three definitions, if you like,

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and only one of them fits the object, our enigma.

0:34:350:34:39

Well, it's fit for purpose, but what purpose?

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And the Victorians had a sort of machine, or an item,

0:34:420:34:45

or an object or a utensil like this for every single purpose.

0:34:450:34:49

So the first option is a sugar cane slicer.

0:34:490:34:52

So you would put in your sugar cane and slice it, because sweet drinks -

0:34:520:34:56

anything sweet - was incredibly popular with Victorians,

0:34:560:34:59

so this would have given them that sort of early morning lift at

0:34:590:35:03

-breakfast, a sugar rush.

-I'm not allowed to pick it up, am I?

0:35:030:35:06

-Best not to.

-So it would be placed up, like this, clamped onto the table,

0:35:060:35:11

and then sliced. You wouldn't want to put your finger in there, would you?

0:35:110:35:14

-Definitely not, definitely not.

-So, sugar cane. I'm not sure about that.

0:35:140:35:18

-No?

-Not convinced?

0:35:180:35:19

-No.

-OK, we're not liking that one, come on.

0:35:190:35:21

The second option is a marmalade maker.

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Effectively, you would put oranges inside it, and then operate it,

0:35:240:35:27

just like the sugar cane slicing.

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-And creating marmalade.

-OK, who here has made marmalade?

0:35:300:35:34

-Yes.

-Yes?

0:35:340:35:36

No. I mean, I've made jam.

0:35:360:35:38

With something like this?

0:35:380:35:40

Funnily enough, no!

0:35:400:35:42

OK, so stick a bit of orange in there.

0:35:420:35:44

-Absolutely, yes.

-Which you would have had to have quartered,

0:35:440:35:47

-in order to get it in there.

-Or crushed, of course,

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and then you can just put it inside and squeeze it through,

0:35:490:35:51

very much like the cane, you could just feed it through, as well.

0:35:510:35:54

It would be quite something to squash an orange like that and push it through.

0:35:540:35:57

-It could be a cucumber cutter?

-A cucumber cutter?

0:35:570:36:00

You've got your own definition, have you? OK.

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A fourth option opens up, my goodness!

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WOMAN: Vasectomies?

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Vasectomies?! Oh!

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LAUGHTER

0:36:090:36:10

My goodness, I think I'm just going to cross my legs at that!

0:36:100:36:13

I like your style!

0:36:140:36:16

Whatever you say now is not going to be as interesting as that.

0:36:180:36:21

No way! The alternative is a rope cutter.

0:36:210:36:24

-A rope cutter?

-So you feed the rope through,

0:36:240:36:26

we're doing a lot of feeding through this tube here, but is it rope,

0:36:260:36:30

oranges or sugar cane?

0:36:300:36:32

Right, come on, ladies and gentlemen, because you're definitely going to

0:36:320:36:35

have to help me. If we're rejecting the cucumber and vasectomy options...

0:36:350:36:38

Yes, please, definitely the latter...

0:36:380:36:40

Sugar cane? We didn't like that. You're all changing your minds now.

0:36:420:36:45

-No, rope.

-Oh, sugar cane's having it.

0:36:450:36:47

Let's have a show of hands for sugar cane.

0:36:470:36:50

And for rope?

0:36:510:36:53

OK, so sugar cane was in...

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And is anyone buying the marmalade?

0:36:550:36:57

-Oh, yes, you are.

-The nozzle's oblong.

0:36:570:37:00

-And where are you from, sir?

-Down Under.

0:37:000:37:03

I was going to say, so an Aussie's now telling us it was used for making marmalade!

0:37:030:37:08

-Popular down under!

-Um...

0:37:080:37:09

And your final answer?

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Is going to be sugar cane, because that's what most people are saying.

0:37:120:37:15

It is on display in the Museum of Lakeland Life and Industry,

0:37:160:37:20

and Paddington Bear would be delighted,

0:37:200:37:23

because it is a marmalade maker.

0:37:230:37:25

AUDIENCE COO

0:37:250:37:26

Well done! Congratulations, they were right.

0:37:260:37:29

Come forward.

0:37:300:37:32

So you're from Australia?

0:37:320:37:34

-Yeah.

-And how did you know this was going to be a marmalade cutter, then?

0:37:340:37:37

Common sense!

0:37:370:37:38

LAUGHTER

0:37:380:37:40

Right, get back.

0:37:400:37:43

You can't cut rope, which is round,

0:37:430:37:46

-with an oblong hole.

-Oh, very good.

0:37:460:37:47

Sugar cane's the same. Oblong hole.

0:37:470:37:50

So what would you cut with an oblong hole that's something that started

0:37:500:37:53

-off round?

-There speaks an engineer, I feel?

0:37:530:37:56

-Australian, mate.

-Australia! LAUGHTER

0:37:560:37:59

Well done, you!

0:38:010:38:02

It's such a lovely change for me to be looking

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at a piece of contemporary jewellery,

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-rather than the normal antique jewellery that I look at.

-Yes.

0:38:130:38:16

And this is obviously a ring that's very special to you.

0:38:160:38:19

How did it come into your collection?

0:38:190:38:21

Well, it belonged to my mother, and it was bought for her by my father,

0:38:210:38:25

I think. She liked this a lot, and she wore it a lot.

0:38:250:38:28

It is by a designer called Gerda Flockinger,

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and she was an extremely important contemporary jewellery designer

0:38:300:38:35

in the '60s and onwards,

0:38:350:38:36

but you've actually had correspondence with Gerda,

0:38:360:38:40

-haven't you?

-Yes.

-And how did that come about?

0:38:400:38:42

Well, the ring was involved in a car accident,

0:38:420:38:46

and it ended up on the road.

0:38:460:38:48

-Right.

-Not on my mum's finger, I'm happy to say.

0:38:480:38:50

Yes!

0:38:500:38:51

But it did get squashed by a car,

0:38:510:38:53

so my dad sent it back to Gerda

0:38:530:38:56

to get it remade,

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and she somehow or other managed to restore it to its shape.

0:38:580:39:01

I'm not quite sure how she did that - it seems a magical thing to do,

0:39:010:39:04

-because it's so knobbly.

-It is, isn't it?

0:39:040:39:08

It's just lovely and textured,

0:39:080:39:10

and this was very typical of her style.

0:39:100:39:13

But, then, the correspondence that we have

0:39:130:39:15

-is quite funny, really, isn't it...

-Yes.

0:39:150:39:17

..about her attitude towards hallmarking?

0:39:170:39:19

And, of course, at this time,

0:39:190:39:20

before 1973, they didn't have to hallmark jewellery.

0:39:200:39:24

-And perhaps you could just read what it was that she said about it?

-Yes.

0:39:240:39:27

She seems to be slightly disrespectful

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of the hallmarking process, actually.

0:39:290:39:31

She says, "As to the matter of a hallmark, I detest the idea.

0:39:310:39:34

"One never knows what condition the object will be left in."

0:39:350:39:38

Well, this is it, isn't it?

0:39:380:39:40

Because, of course, it wasn't the maker that hallmarked it,

0:39:400:39:42

it went away to be assayed, and I think many of these jewellers,

0:39:420:39:46

who were so passionate about their objects, these were,

0:39:460:39:49

we have to remember, one-off pieces,

0:39:490:39:51

-they didn't do repeat designs.

-Yes.

0:39:510:39:53

-Not that they would have ruined it in any way...

-No.

0:39:530:39:55

..but that was the big thing, wasn't it? It really was.

0:39:550:39:58

Well, it is a beautiful piece,

0:39:580:40:00

and we have to remember that Gerda was quite ground-breaking in her

0:40:000:40:03

jewellery. She's had stand-alone exhibitions

0:40:030:40:05

at the Victoria and Albert Museum,

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one of the first females - living female artists - to do that.

0:40:060:40:10

So in that respect, she is highly collectable.

0:40:100:40:14

Now, this is, in some ways, quite a relaxed design of hers,

0:40:140:40:18

because her jewellery has got bigger and better

0:40:180:40:21

and much more exuberant in design over the time.

0:40:210:40:24

So, in an auction environment today,

0:40:240:40:27

we'd be looking at it probably reaching in excess of maybe

0:40:270:40:31

£4,000 or £5,000, that sort of level.

0:40:310:40:33

But there's a market out there, and on the day,

0:40:330:40:36

something like this could do exceptionally well.

0:40:360:40:38

I just have to remember to wear it more often, don't I?

0:40:380:40:41

-I think so.

-Yes.

0:40:410:40:42

What room do you have this in?

0:40:460:40:48

-It's in the lounge.

-OK.

0:40:490:40:51

I would have been rather worried if you'd had it in the dining room.

0:40:510:40:54

Do you remember that movie, when they're all sitting round the table,

0:40:540:40:57

and they take the top off a monkey's head and start eating its brains?

0:40:570:41:00

LAUGHTER

0:41:000:41:01

-Yes. I do, yes.

-Do you remember that?

-I went to the cinema to see that.

0:41:010:41:05

Anyway, this is really... I'm not sure I'd call it sweet,

0:41:050:41:07

but do you find it fun?

0:41:070:41:09

Um...

0:41:090:41:11

I don't know if I find it fun, but I live with it.

0:41:110:41:13

LAUGHTER

0:41:130:41:15

-That is about as good as it's going to get.

-All right.

0:41:150:41:17

It is a little novelty clock.

0:41:180:41:20

Most of these were made in the Black Forest area,

0:41:200:41:23

although some of them come out of the United States,

0:41:230:41:25

but I think this is a sort of German...

0:41:250:41:27

..realistically, about 1920s, 1925.

0:41:280:41:32

And, of course, the time is read with the eyes.

0:41:330:41:35

Do you have it running at home?

0:41:350:41:37

-No.

-So you've never actually tried to tell the time with it?

0:41:370:41:40

No. I don't know how to.

0:41:400:41:42

You don't know how to? OK, well, like all these things,

0:41:420:41:45

that knob there is what I would like to call the handset, but,

0:41:450:41:49

-in this instance, the eyeset.

-LAUGHTER

0:41:490:41:51

OK, so here we go - I'm just going to move him round.

0:41:510:41:54

So that's the minute hand equivalent, or the minute eye,

0:41:540:41:57

and that's the hours.

0:41:570:41:59

So I'll move the minutes around. Can you see them going round there?

0:41:590:42:02

There it is, on the clock.

0:42:020:42:03

I mean, it's really weird, isn't it?

0:42:050:42:07

-Let's be honest.

-LAUGHTER

0:42:070:42:09

It's creepy.

0:42:090:42:10

But there are all sorts of novelty clocks like this - dogs,

0:42:100:42:13

all sorts of little animals - and the monkey is really quite scarce.

0:42:130:42:17

-You live with him...

-Yeah.

0:42:180:42:19

..so it's worth knowing what he's worth, isn't it?

0:42:190:42:22

It'd be nice to know, definitely.

0:42:220:42:25

See if I want to continue living with him!

0:42:250:42:28

LAUGHTER

0:42:280:42:29

Well, if I tell you that he is actually worth about £600...

0:42:290:42:34

-ALL:

-Ooh!

-Ooh!

0:42:340:42:36

So, decision time?

0:42:370:42:39

Live with him, or do something fun?

0:42:390:42:41

LAUGHTER

0:42:410:42:43

Oh, I'm happy to live with him now.

0:42:430:42:45

Fair enough, fair enough.

0:42:450:42:47

So this chap looks as though he's stepped straight off the

0:42:480:42:50

croquet lawn of this house, doesn't he?

0:42:500:42:52

Yes. This is my great uncle, Bert Wilson,

0:42:520:42:56

and he died in '97,

0:42:560:42:58

-and he was 99.

-Oh, right. He looks about 18, doesn't he?

0:42:580:43:01

-He does.

-It's signed Adolf Valette,

0:43:010:43:03

a French Impressionist painter

0:43:030:43:06

who became a teacher at Manchester.

0:43:060:43:08

Correct, yes.

0:43:080:43:10

And he painted the most wonderful sort of...

0:43:100:43:12

This was an exhibition catalogue.

0:43:120:43:14

-Impressionist views of Manchester...

-Yes.

0:43:140:43:18

..romanticising it in a very French way.

0:43:180:43:20

Yes. My Great Uncle Bert was an artist...

0:43:200:43:23

-Was he taught by Valette?

-He was taught by Valette.

0:43:230:43:25

-Ah, that's the connection. I see.

-Yes.

0:43:250:43:27

He was taught by Valette,

0:43:270:43:29

in the same class as Lowry...

0:43:290:43:31

..and another family friend, Harry Rutherford,

0:43:320:43:35

who painted very similarly, sort of French Impressionist paintings.

0:43:350:43:39

-Yes, I've seen his stuff.

-Yes.

0:43:390:43:40

So the picture looks to me like it's painted probably just at the end of

0:43:400:43:43

the First World War, maybe as late as 1920, and it's oil on canvas.

0:43:430:43:48

-Yep.

-But it's never been varnished, and that's why it's got glass on it.

0:43:480:43:51

-Yeah.

-But it gives this wonderfully sort of matte feeling to it,

0:43:510:43:54

that it almost could be very thick body colour, couldn't it,

0:43:540:43:56

-rather than an oil?

-Yeah.

0:43:560:43:58

But he's prepared the canvas this colour,

0:43:580:44:01

just before painting anything on it, and then left it

0:44:010:44:04

to suggest the work coat that he's wearing.

0:44:040:44:05

-Right.

-And just a few strokes, he's got it, hasn't he?

0:44:050:44:08

-Yep.

-It's so confident, it's so...so strong, and so brief.

0:44:080:44:13

He's not quite so good at the hands, I think.

0:44:130:44:15

-They don't quite make sense, do they?

-No.

0:44:150:44:16

-I can't read them very well.

-Yeah.

0:44:160:44:19

But the face - I mean, it's so alive and intelligent.

0:44:190:44:22

Valette, the painter, has painted his pupil

0:44:220:44:26

as this fresh-faced, enquiring,

0:44:260:44:29

energetic young man, wide awake to the world.

0:44:290:44:33

Yeah.

0:44:330:44:34

-You must have known him in later life.

-Yes.

0:44:340:44:36

-What was he like?

-Yeah, I mean, he was a real character.

0:44:360:44:40

He was obviously an illustrator,

0:44:400:44:42

as you can see by some of the stuff that he's got here

0:44:420:44:44

in this scrapbook. You can see Manchester Evening News,

0:44:440:44:47

there's a lot of stuff in here.

0:44:470:44:48

Here's actually an article actually about himself.

0:44:480:44:50

-That's him? That's him?

-That's him, yes.

0:44:500:44:53

And this was actually shown in Manchester City Art Gallery

0:44:530:44:56

-as part of the Valette...

-In this exhibition?

-..exhibition. Yeah.

0:44:560:44:58

-Yeah.

-Well, I think it's the most wonderful thing, I really do.

0:44:580:45:01

It's so alive. I've not seen many portraits by Valette.

0:45:010:45:04

As I say, I'm more familiar with his impressionist work...

0:45:040:45:06

-Yes, yeah.

-..which, by the way, is very interesting.

0:45:060:45:08

Everybody knows Lowry for his matchstick men...

0:45:080:45:10

-Yes.

-..and matchstick cats and dogs...

0:45:100:45:12

-Yeah.

-..but not so much for his impressionist work,

0:45:120:45:14

which comes directly from Valette, the way he does it.

0:45:140:45:17

-You're right, yes.

-Yeah.

0:45:170:45:18

Here he is, such an influential teacher, obviously on your uncle as well.

0:45:180:45:21

-Yeah.

-Erm...what do we think it's worth?

0:45:210:45:24

I have no idea. I mean, I inherited it from him -

0:45:240:45:27

-it's the one thing that he had that I...I always...

-That you really wanted?

0:45:270:45:30

..saw in his house, and I just thought,

0:45:300:45:32

-"That's the thing that I'd love to have."

-"That's the one?"

0:45:320:45:35

That makes it extremely valuable to you...

0:45:350:45:37

-Yes, it does.

-..less so, perhaps, to the general market.

0:45:370:45:39

Nonetheless, I think it's such a fresh-faced and exciting portrait -

0:45:390:45:43

so full of verve, and so lifelike -

0:45:430:45:45

that I think it's worth about £6,000.

0:45:450:45:48

-Wow.

-£6-8,000.

-Yeah.

0:45:480:45:49

-Pretty good.

-Yeah.

0:45:490:45:51

-It's never going to be sold.

-Good!

0:45:510:45:52

HE TOOTS WHISTLE

0:45:550:45:56

-That's got all of your attention!

-LAUGHTER

0:45:580:46:01

It's been well-used.

0:46:010:46:02

I used it, I'd say, nearly every day.

0:46:020:46:05

We're looking at about £50-60.

0:46:050:46:08

Right, right. But the sentimental value of that...

0:46:080:46:12

Priceless.

0:46:120:46:13

A pair of those, that sort of size...

0:46:140:46:16

around £100, probably. Something like that.

0:46:160:46:18

If Pablo Picasso were to create a pig,

0:46:210:46:24

I can only imagine he would look like this.

0:46:240:46:27

However, this colourful Cubist creation

0:46:270:46:29

is by an altogether different name.

0:46:290:46:31

And just round the corner, we've got it there - Louis Wain.

0:46:310:46:36

Tell me, how did you come to own him?

0:46:360:46:38

Well, erm, my father died at the beginning of this year, aged 102,

0:46:390:46:43

and I've been clearing the family home,

0:46:430:46:45

which has been in the family for 90 years.

0:46:450:46:48

Up in the attic, most of it was absolute junk,

0:46:480:46:51

but there was one big cupboard with loads of bedding in which we were

0:46:510:46:54

clearing out - right at the bottom was this.

0:46:540:46:57

And I must admit, I looked at it and thought, "Mm, not very nice."

0:46:570:47:02

Then, a few weeks later,

0:47:020:47:03

somebody came around from an auction house to look through other stuff in

0:47:030:47:06

the house, so I said, "If you see anything else on the way

0:47:060:47:09

"that you think might be of value or interest, please let me know."

0:47:090:47:12

And we got up to the attic and she picked this up and said,

0:47:120:47:15

"Ooh, Louis Wain - nice!"

0:47:150:47:17

So, I said, "Oh, OK."

0:47:170:47:19

I said, "Sorry, I don't know who Louis Wain is."

0:47:190:47:21

And she said, "Well, you know the man who did the cat pictures?"

0:47:210:47:25

And I then remembered having seen some.

0:47:250:47:27

He's that creator of those weird and wonderful cats,

0:47:270:47:30

and he himself was the most amazing chap. The most bizarre mind,

0:47:300:47:34

creating all these fantastic objects.

0:47:340:47:36

And he did come up with a collection of over 20 pottery figures and

0:47:360:47:41

-vases...

-Oh.

-..of which this is one.

0:47:410:47:45

They were created around 1914 for the first batch,

0:47:450:47:48

and then they came back into production in around 1919-1922.

0:47:480:47:53

Made over three countries, so there were lots of

0:47:530:47:56

different manufacturers, but the one you've got is an early one,

0:47:560:48:00

and he's one of the ones that is clearly stamped "Made in England".

0:48:000:48:04

-Mm!

-So his name is The Lucky Pig.

0:48:040:48:07

-Is he lucky for you?

-I hope so!

0:48:090:48:11

LAUGHTER

0:48:110:48:12

Well, in this condition, he's a little bit tired,

0:48:130:48:16

a little bit scruffy,

0:48:160:48:17

but our colourful cubist pig is worth...

0:48:170:48:20

-£600.

-Woo!

-AUDIENCE:

-Ooh.

0:48:200:48:21

Very lucky!

0:48:240:48:25

-Lovely!

-Very lucky indeed.

0:48:250:48:27

Well, not lovely, but, yes, nice result!

0:48:270:48:29

LAUGHTER

0:48:290:48:30

We do see a lot of these type of albums on the Roadshow.

0:48:320:48:36

But what particularly caught my eye

0:48:360:48:38

was just how well it was put together.

0:48:380:48:40

What we have here is a First World War album,

0:48:400:48:43

compiled with watercolours and poems, etc.

0:48:430:48:47

Can you tell me anything about it?

0:48:470:48:48

-Er, it was my great uncle's...

-OK.

0:48:480:48:50

..and he, erm, he...

0:48:500:48:52

It was passed down the family.

0:48:520:48:54

And when my aunt died, it passed on to me.

0:48:540:48:56

So there was a lot of memorabilia.

0:48:560:48:58

-Well, there we are.

-And this was one that just popped out,

0:48:580:49:00

and I thought, "Oh, this is interesting."

0:49:000:49:02

OK. And so you brought it along today for us to have a look at?

0:49:020:49:04

Yes. The paintings, I find fascinating.

0:49:040:49:06

Let's have a look at it, then.

0:49:060:49:07

Erm, what we have here is a watercolour dated 1918.

0:49:070:49:12

And obviously, we have a wounded soldier, a nurse and a child.

0:49:120:49:16

It's very sort of symbolic of, you know, a very difficult time...

0:49:160:49:19

-Yes.

-..during the war. Very well executed.

0:49:190:49:22

And this album seems to have been compiled by friends and family here,

0:49:220:49:26

and it's just a wonderful record of a very difficult period.

0:49:260:49:30

I suppose it helped them get through things as well.

0:49:300:49:33

Yeah, absolutely. So if we go to this second bookmarked page,

0:49:330:49:36

we've got a cartoon here.

0:49:360:49:38

Obviously, we don't know the artist because of the initials,

0:49:380:49:41

but it's a copy of the famous Bruce Bairnsfather's Old Bill,

0:49:410:49:46

the humorous cartoons of trench life.

0:49:460:49:49

And the title of it is, "There goes our blinkin' parapet again."

0:49:490:49:53

And there we can see the troops hiding here,

0:49:530:49:55

with the shell going over, exploding,

0:49:550:49:58

and shrapnel going everywhere.

0:49:580:50:00

Quite...poignant, really, isn't it?

0:50:000:50:02

Yes. And I think it's particularly linked to the reference on here -

0:50:020:50:07

White Lund, Morecambe.

0:50:070:50:09

And NFF, which was the National Filling Factory...

0:50:090:50:13

-Right.

-..where they filled shells.

0:50:130:50:15

And there was one across the bay at Morecambe.

0:50:150:50:17

So, obviously, this sort of ties in nicely.

0:50:170:50:20

The artist has made a little reference there,

0:50:200:50:22

and it's dated September 1917.

0:50:220:50:24

-Correct, yes.

-So...

0:50:240:50:26

Well, it's an absolutely fascinating album.

0:50:270:50:29

What I liked at the end of the album

0:50:310:50:33

is, somebody has sketched in,

0:50:330:50:36

"By hook or by crook, I'll be the last in this book."

0:50:360:50:39

-And there he is on the gallows.

-Yes.

-LAUGHTER

0:50:390:50:42

-"The end."

-Yeah!

0:50:420:50:43

-It's not quite the end, is it?

-No.

-Because I haven't valued it.

0:50:440:50:47

LAUGHTER

0:50:470:50:49

Erm, obviously, it's a difficult one to value - it's a unique record -

0:50:490:50:52

but, erm, I would have thought we're likely to get somewhere

0:50:520:50:55

-at auction in the region of £150-£200 for it.

-Oh, right.

0:50:550:50:59

-That's interesting. It's irrelevant...

-Exactly.

0:50:590:51:02

..because it's family history, and I wouldn't part with it, so...

0:51:020:51:05

-Quite right.

-Thanks very much for that.

0:51:050:51:06

-That's a pleasure.

-Interesting.

0:51:060:51:08

Helen's mother's family comes from Skye,

0:51:090:51:11

and Helen's always wanted a Jacobite glass since pretty well as long as

0:51:110:51:15

I've known her. And...

0:51:150:51:17

last birthday...?

0:51:170:51:19

I did a bit of internet research, and I bought her that.

0:51:190:51:23

Question is - is it in fact a Jacobite glass?

0:51:230:51:26

Well, tell me what a Jacobite glass is.

0:51:260:51:28

Well, so far as I know, it's...

0:51:280:51:31

after the Jacobite rebellions,

0:51:310:51:34

tends to be carved with flowers,

0:51:340:51:36

and are, basically, Georgian glass.

0:51:360:51:39

Next question - was it carved when it was made, or was it done...

0:51:390:51:43

-five years ago?

-OK.

0:51:430:51:45

So the Jacobite cause was Bonnie Prince Charlie,

0:51:450:51:47

Charles Edward Stuart...

0:51:470:51:48

-HELEN:

-Yeah.

-..who got as far south as Derby in 1745

0:51:480:51:51

in an invasion of England

0:51:510:51:53

until he was beaten back up to Culloden,

0:51:530:51:57

where his revolt was completely wiped out.

0:51:570:52:00

And Bonnie Price Charlie then...

0:52:000:52:01

-..flees.

-Escapes, helped by Flora MacDonald.

0:52:020:52:05

Never to be seen again in the British Isles.

0:52:050:52:08

-Yeah, absolutely.

-So his goose was well and truly cooked.

0:52:080:52:10

So, here we go.

0:52:100:52:12

So this glass...

0:52:120:52:13

..is totally right.

0:52:160:52:17

-AUDIENCE COOS

-Really?

-Oh!

0:52:170:52:19

It IS right. I mean, there is a question mark. Now, the glass,

0:52:210:52:25

it does date from that period.

0:52:250:52:27

It's got nice contaminants in it,

0:52:270:52:29

it's sufficiently badly made to be period.

0:52:290:52:32

However, your point is very cogent here about whether this was applied

0:52:320:52:36

last week. And there is a school of opinion

0:52:360:52:40

that old glasses are being embellished.

0:52:400:52:42

It has certainly happened in the past,

0:52:420:52:44

and it is extremely difficult to determine one from the other,

0:52:440:52:47

because the means of wheel-engraving them, which is what this is,

0:52:470:52:53

exists today in very much the form that they were 250 years ago.

0:52:530:52:57

Nonetheless, this is a right 'un,

0:52:570:52:59

as far as I know.

0:52:590:53:01

Question is - what did you pay for it?

0:53:010:53:04

Well...I paid £800 for it,

0:53:050:53:09

but if it's worth half that, it doesn't matter.

0:53:090:53:12

Well, it isn't worth half that.

0:53:120:53:14

It's worth £1,100.

0:53:140:53:16

-And isn't that nice?

-Isn't it very nice indeed?!

0:53:160:53:20

-Now, do you use it?

-BOTH:

-No.

0:53:200:53:21

Oh, you're kidding - you're not going to drink a wee dram

0:53:220:53:25

-out of this tonight?

-Tonight.

-Tonight?

0:53:250:53:26

-Tonight, we will.

-That would be fab - take a picture and send it to me.

0:53:260:53:29

I'd love to see it.

0:53:290:53:30

Well, we could not come to the Lake District without Beatrix Potter.

0:53:330:53:36

It's 150 years since she was born,

0:53:360:53:40

and you've brought in a whole pile of Beatrix Potter,

0:53:400:53:43

and I have selected just these three.

0:53:430:53:46

So how did these come down to you?

0:53:460:53:48

They were given by Beatrix to my great-grandfather,

0:53:480:53:51

who was a solicitor in Lincoln's Inn in London.

0:53:510:53:54

-Right.

-And my grandfather also worked there as a solicitor.

0:53:540:53:58

And the books were given to him, who in turn gave them to his daughter,

0:53:580:54:02

my mother, and then they were read to me as a child, and we, in turn,

0:54:020:54:06

have read them to our children.

0:54:060:54:08

Now, all these three here - it's quite extraordinary -

0:54:080:54:12

are all signed presentation copies.

0:54:120:54:15

And we start off with Mr Tod, first edition.

0:54:150:54:18

But unfortunately, it lacks the spine.

0:54:180:54:21

Yes. And my favourite, and the one that was read to me continually,

0:54:210:54:25

that I... Cos I requested it.

0:54:250:54:27

So that's why it's so thumbed.

0:54:270:54:29

It does have the lovely inscription -

0:54:290:54:32

"For Mr Edwards, with kind regards, October 24th, 1912,

0:54:320:54:36

"from Beatrix Potter."

0:54:360:54:38

She doesn't sign Beatrix Heelis, because she's not married at that stage.

0:54:380:54:42

And here is the title page and the frontispiece.

0:54:420:54:45

But lacking the spine.

0:54:450:54:46

-Mm-hmm.

-But fabulous, nevertheless.

0:54:460:54:48

My favourite, the one I used to read to my children,

0:54:480:54:52

which in many ways I can say in my sleep -

0:54:520:54:55

"In somebody's cupboard, there's everything nice - cake, cheese, jam,

0:54:550:54:58

"biscuits, all charming for mice.

0:54:580:55:01

"Appley Dapply has little sharp eyes,

0:55:010:55:03

"and Appley Dapply is so fond of pies."

0:55:030:55:05

I'm sure you've heard it all before.

0:55:050:55:07

Anyway, the lovely thing about this Appley Dapply is,

0:55:080:55:11

you DIDN'T like it!

0:55:110:55:13

And the spine is on!

0:55:130:55:15

-Yes, yes.

-Which is tremendous, I love that.

0:55:150:55:17

And that is a beautiful copy of the first edition.

0:55:170:55:21

And again, as we turn it over, here we are - "Mr Edwards,

0:55:210:55:24

with kind regards..." - and she puts her name in inverted commas -

0:55:240:55:28

"..Beatrix Potter". November 24th, 1917.

0:55:280:55:32

Well, she had married by then.

0:55:320:55:34

But, er, that was quite late.

0:55:340:55:35

Now, the final one, The Pie And The Patty-Pan,

0:55:350:55:38

is a wonderful little story about a generous cat

0:55:380:55:41

that goes around cooking

0:55:410:55:43

and doing all sorts of good deeds for people,

0:55:430:55:46

which is not in good condition.

0:55:460:55:48

The spine, again, is rather tatty.

0:55:480:55:50

First edition. I think it's probably the most important,

0:55:500:55:54

because I think of the inscription here.

0:55:540:55:56

Here we are - "To Mr Edwards, with kind regards from Beatrix Potter.

0:55:580:56:01

"November 16th 1905."

0:56:010:56:04

Now, this is right at the beginning of Beatrix Potter's career

0:56:040:56:08

in the Lake District. The frontispiece is Hill Top Farm.

0:56:080:56:13

Now, Hill Top Farm was the first place that she bought when she was

0:56:130:56:17

up here. And Mr Edwards presumably did all the conveyancing

0:56:170:56:21

-and all the rest of it.

-I would assume so, yes.

0:56:210:56:23

"The frontispiece is Hill Top Farm,

0:56:230:56:25

"and the pictures are all in Sawrey and Hawkshead."

0:56:250:56:28

And here is the frontispiece - Hill Top Farm here.

0:56:280:56:32

That, as far as a Beatrix Potter collector is concerned,

0:56:320:56:35

has to be the cream of the crop.

0:56:350:56:37

It is absolutely superb.

0:56:370:56:40

I'm going to put these back on their stands and ask you about value,

0:56:400:56:44

because we have to come to value.

0:56:440:56:46

I haven't the foggiest idea.

0:56:460:56:48

-Your favourite...

-Mm-hmm.

-..Mr Tod.

0:56:480:56:51

Erm, without the spine, but with the inscription...

0:56:510:56:54

..£5,000.

0:56:550:56:56

AUDIENCE GASP AND WHISTLE

0:56:560:56:58

Right.

0:56:580:57:00

My favourite, Appley Dapply...

0:57:000:57:03

I'm going to put...

0:57:030:57:04

-£8,000 on that one.

-Right.

0:57:040:57:06

This one, which I think has to be the best,

0:57:080:57:12

I'm going to put £12,000 on that.

0:57:120:57:13

AUDIENCE GASPS

0:57:130:57:14

Right, OK. Mm-hmm.

0:57:150:57:17

A collective value of £25,000.

0:57:170:57:21

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

-You've made my day.

-Thank you.

0:57:210:57:23

What a lovely way to end our visit to the Lake District -

0:57:270:57:29

to see the work of one of its most famous residents.

0:57:290:57:32

From all of us here at Holker Hall in Cumbria, bye-bye.

0:57:340:57:38

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