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Imagine if you could live in one of the finest country houses in the land. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Wouldn't it be great? | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Imagine if you had TWO to choose from. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
Well, that was the dilemma facing William Cavendish in 1858, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
when he inherited Chatsworth House in Derbyshire, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
and this glorious place. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
from Holker Hall and Gardens in Cumbria. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
'Unlike many grand houses, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
'Holker Hall has never been bought or sold. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
'For the past 400 years, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
'it's changed hands through marriage or inheritance. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
'Every generation seems to have fallen in love with it. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
'And who can blame them? | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
That was certainly the case for William Cavendish, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
the seventh Duke of Devonshire. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
Holker Hall, set between the tidal estuary of Morecambe Bay | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
and the Lake District which so inspired William Wordsworth, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
also appealed to the Duke. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
And he decided THIS was the place he wanted to raise his family. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
There's some touching mementos of family life, like this screen, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
for example, which was made by the children. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
And it features scenes from Russia, like the Kremlin, here, for example. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
The children had never been, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
but it was around the time of the Crimean War, the 1850s. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
And then look at this. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
It's called a nursery yacht. It's a very rare survivor. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
There are very few left in the country. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:00 | |
Can you imagine? What fun for the children, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
rocking backwards and forwards on this. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
I'm sure our experts would love to see it. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
This idyllic family life was nearly brought to an abrupt end | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
in the early hours of March the 9th, 1871, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
when a fire started here in one of the children's bedrooms. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
Fortunately, everybody got out safely. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
But it wrought terrible destruction. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
Valuable books, furniture and paintings were lost for ever, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
as the west wing of the house was completely gutted by the flames. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
Almost as soon as the embers stopped burning, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
the Duke decided to rebuild this part of the house, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
and it was going to be more spectacular than ever. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
His daughter Louisa took charge, and oversaw much of the grand design. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
And work began within weeks. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
The reconstruction of this entire wing took three years. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
The final touch was this inscription on the fireplace to mark the | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
completion of the rebuild in 1874. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
And the wooden panelling holds a message as well. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
The Duke wanted to thank his daughter Louisa | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
for her efforts and unswerving loyalty, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
so each letter of her name is inscribed in the paneling. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
Today, Holker is still lived in by members of the Cavendish family, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
who are our hosts | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
as we welcome visitors to today's Antiques Roadshow. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Let's join them in the Deer Park and in the formal gardens. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
Here at Holker Hall, I understand there's an annual flower festival. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
Now, I think this could be the prize exhibit. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
-Where did you get it? -I inherited it. It belonged to my grandfather. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
I remember it hanging on the wall of their house | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
when I was a small child. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:40 | |
And my grandfather had a sister who lived in Singapore in the 1920s, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
and almost certainly bought it in the Far East. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
The type of decoration, I don't know if you know, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
it's known as mille-fleurs, or a "thousand flower" decoration, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
which was developed in China... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Well, this is a Chinese dish. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Developed in China at the beginning of the 18th century | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
and carried on for some time. But it really is quite rare on this scale. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
If we turn it over... | 0:04:06 | 0:04:07 | |
How are we going to do this? | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
HE GRUNTS | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
That way up, there we are. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
There is a four-character imperial reign mark. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
It reads Qianlong, Nanjing. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
The Qianlong Emperor reigned from 1736 to 1795. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
But the question with this dish is, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
is it an 18th century dish from the Qianlong reign | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
or is it a copy from a later date? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
Um... And it makes a huge difference to its value. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
It's a question of judging it on the quality of decoration. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
Is it of imperial quality? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
Is it from an imperial workshop? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
The shape of the dish comes into it. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
Is this an 18th century shape? | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Is this a 19th century shape? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
And also, how the mark is painted, the quality of the mark, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
and the style of the mark. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
Um, I've got absolutely no doubt that this is a 19th century dish, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
rather than a Qianlong one. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
But what you want to know is the value, don't you? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
It has a small chip on the rim, just down here. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
And that does make a difference. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
I think at auction, even with this little chip here, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
we're looking at £2,500 - £3,500. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
Oh! Gosh. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
Gosh. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
Had it been a Qianlong piece from the 18th century, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
it would have been... | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
..maybe 200,000. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Whoa, God! | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
CROWD LAUGH | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
-Oh, dear. -Even chipped. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
Yes. Yes. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
To me at first glance, and I'm sure anyone else looking at this now, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
it looks like a typical French 19th century, mid-19th century table. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
But we know it's different, don't we? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
We do. It's actually Russian. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
-Russian. -Yes. -It's amazing. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
-Where did you get it from, Russia? -A shop in Stockport. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
But it never got into the shop. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
You bought it off the back of a van, or something? | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
-We bought it off the back of a van. -It's lovely. -Well, a friend did. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
-Yes. OK. -Yes. -Of course, it's a small lady's writing desk. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
Um... We know there's a label under here. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
-Yeah. -The label reads in Russian, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
this table was from the red room in the Winter Palace, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
which is the official residence of the royal family, the czars. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
-What do you know about it? -They were sold off, in the 1920s. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
After the revolution, they sold a lot of furniture off. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
They had... Yes, I think some big auctions | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
in I think 1929, revolutionary sales. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
-Yes. -Yes. -And that's how it came to, presumably, England. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
Presumably, yes. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
-What happened... -If only it could talk to us and tell us more. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
What's it seen? Who's written at it? | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
-Yeah. -In Russia in the 1850s. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
-I mean, it's fascinating. -Yes. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
I mean, it looks exactly like a French-made 19th century, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
what's known as Napoleon III, Napoleon Trois. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
It's known as Boulle as well. This is a generic name. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Boulle was a 17th-century cabinet maker, marqueter, inlaid marquetry, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
and he specialised in wood marquetry, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
also this type of brass and turtle shell. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
-Yes. -Commonly thought to be tortoiseshell. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
It's not. It's sea turtle. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
-Right. -Turtle shell. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
The red, and the brass. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
This is known as contra partie, so the main body is brass, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
and there would be a counterpart to this somewhere in the world, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
possibly in Russia, where the main part is the red turtle shell, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
and the smaller parts are brass. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
I think that these panels are possibly made in Paris | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
and sent to Russia. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
Why? Because you see the joints here? All four centres, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
there's no real join. It's sort of... | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
They hadn't quite finished it. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
No Frenchman would do that. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
They'll have a little mask in there, a face, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
or something just to join it together. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
I think somebody's sold the marquetry to the Russian maker. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
The other main giveaway, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
when we open the drawer here, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
we can see it's got this nice, thick lining here... | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
-Yeah. -..which is very unusual, and certainly not a French style. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
But more importantly, the thin lock here with the telltale here, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
this single throw lock and a very narrow tongue | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
that is absolutely typical of... Well, it's... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
It's not French. They just never did it like that. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
And this shape is Germanic, possibly Russian. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
And that just confirms | 0:08:09 | 0:08:10 | |
this extraordinary rare label on the back. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
So what... So when did you get it? A long time ago? | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
It was... I think the late '70s. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
-Right. Right. -Yeah. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
I mean, as a French desk of the mid-19th century, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
it's worth £2,000-£3,000. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
We all know that Russians are potentially big buyers, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
and the market is up and down, of course, all the time, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
so it's very unpredictable. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
But I think, instead of two or £3,000, I'm going to say... | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
..£12,000 to £18,000. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
-That's good. -And, keep going, because it's from the Winter Palace. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you very much. Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Keep your back straight. That's it. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Head up. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Oh, my goodness me! | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
What a... A fabulous bit of weightlifting equipment. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
And, yeah, thanks on that bone-crushing handshake! | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
-Oh, sorry. -Look, you look fit as a fiddle. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
How long have you been acquainted with this weightlifting...? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
Almost 60 years I've had this bar, yes. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
And still going today? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Well... | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
-Yes, I've got a pulse! -LAUGHTER | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Do you mind if I ask how old you are? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:23 | |
-76. -Wow. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Well, you're a great inspiration. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
I understand this dates really from the early 20th century? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
-I'd say 1907, 1908. -1907. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
-Yeah. -And of course this was a time, late Victorian, Edwardian period, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
when people were getting more interested in their health, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
what their bodies looked like, there was new, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
patent fitness machines coming on. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
-Yeah. Oh, yeah. -And by the 1920s, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
when body beautiful was what everybody wanted, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
it was high-fashion across many nations. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
-Yeah. -The bar itself is made of brass. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
And... The bar itself is steel, actually. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
Right, so a steel core. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
-Steel core, yeah. -Sort of a shell or a tube of brass over that. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
-Yeah. Yeah. -And of course it has on this end a magnificently thick gauge | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
collar, with this equally thick gauge hand tightening wheel. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
I mean, that's like something... | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
I know of no other variant | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
of this Bull and Paton bar that has got these. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
-Yeah. -So I think it's unique. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
I think it was either a prototype or... | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
-Yeah. -..built for an exhibition. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
-Wow. -Because it must have been 40 years old when I got it. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
Yes. Is this all the weights you've got? | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
-I mean... -Oh, no, I've got quite a few at home. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
All right. With the Camberwell stamp on them. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
I've got... Well, I've got two 50 pounders in the car. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
But... | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
Oh, yeah. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
For practical purposes, yeah. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Cos, you know, this is such a rare piece. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
And, I mean, there is a market for these. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
And I think that you could sell this at auction for around £2,500. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
Oh, really? | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
But you've got two more weights in the car. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
So why don't we add another 500 and make it 3,000? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
Oh! Very nice. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
Well, looking at these 19th century dresses, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
I can't help but notice the size of this waistline. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
I don't think I know anyone who could fit into a dress like this. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
Why do you have them? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
Oh, I just love them. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:21 | |
I think they're so beautiful, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
and they portray an era that we've lost completely. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
And they're just ever so nice to have. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
-They're just beautiful. -And how did they all find their way to you? | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
Well, it's a long story. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
But basically, people learned that I was very interested in this type of | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
thing, and they gave me them. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
-Which is incredible. -So, of the... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Of the ones that you have in the collection, are there more than this? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
I have got quite a few more. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Perhaps not as flamboyant and beautiful as these, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
but nevertheless, they still portray that era of long-gone elegance. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
Don't they just? And I think I am instantly drawn to these two in | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
-particular. -Yes. -Where did these come from? | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
Well, these are Ulverston dresses. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
These were two Ulverston ladies. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
That one was Mary Petty, and she lived in Bardsley and Ulverston, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
but unfortunately, as it was in those days, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
she died when she was 16. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
-Oh, gosh! -This is her sister, Hannah Petty. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
And obviously she lived for quite some time afterwards. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
She's... She's slightly larger than Mary, but nevertheless, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
I know the pedigree, as it were. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
It sounds as though you know these dresses sort of through and through. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
And the way you refer to these... | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
Do the other dresses have names, too? | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
They do, yes. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
That one there is Minnie Briggs. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Now, she was married in Ulverston parish church, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
and I'm a bell-ringer, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
and when I come down from the bell tower, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
I often think about Minnie | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
walking up the aisle of the church in the 1870s. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
Possibly in this... In this dress. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
In that dress, yes, in that very dress. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
You really have got the history that goes with them. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
This is so often what's lost. | 0:12:58 | 0:12:59 | |
What about the others? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
Well, here we have Sarah Huddleston. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
Now, she was a farmer's wife, and she lived at Baycliff just outside Ulverston. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
And although you can't tell sitting on the chair, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
she is an unusually tall lady for Victorian days. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
She must be about five foot ten. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
And this is a very sort of humble, 1830s dress. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
They're all day dresses, aren't they? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
-Yes. Yes. -And all of these materials have been printed. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
This is really a stunning little dress, isn't it? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
So it dates from the 1830s, I would say. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
And actually, I can't help but think | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
of the young Queen Victoria when I look at something like this. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
-Yes. -The low neckline, the very tight bodice | 0:13:40 | 0:13:46 | |
with a corseted waist, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
and then the skirt, pleated and just beginning to be full. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
But I love the trimmings. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
Oh, yes. Beautiful, yeah! | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
What do you like about them? | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
Oh, it's the green fringing and how it tones in with the rest of the colours. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
The dressmaker must have taken great pains in finding exactly the right colour. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
Dresses through the 19th century would have been made... | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Normally, the silk dresses would be made sort of at | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
the top end of the range. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
And then there were dresses made for the middle classes | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
that were more likely to be printed cottons. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
And I think that these two dresses | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
fit into that sort of middle-class bracket. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
You're so enthusiastic about these. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
You don't really want to know the value, do you? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Not at all. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
None the less, I'm going to tell you, um, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
that I think each of these dresses is worth | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
around £400. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:42 | |
And, um, the others, around £100 or so, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
and then maybe £50 to £100 for the other two. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
But these really stand out. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
I could never, ever part with them. They're wonderful. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
The House at Pooh Corner by A.A. Milne, illustrated by EH Shepard. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
A first edition, and it is signed. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
It's got a dust wrapper on it, which is almost unheard of. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
So you paid top price for it? | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
About £250 for it. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
Well, now it's probably worth £2,000-£2,500. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:30 | |
Well, that is surprising, that really was a good buy, then. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
I think it was an incredible buy! | 0:15:35 | 0:15:36 | |
You take it to our jewellery experts. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
I think they will find that very interesting. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
One of the risks of country houses such as Holker, in the old days of course, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
was fire. So many houses were destroyed by fire. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
And they had their own firemen, if you like, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
because there was no organised fire brigade. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
-Exactly. -And what these helmets tell us, which is an amazing collection, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
is of course we are dealing with the development of the Fire Service. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
-That's right. -Why did you come to this subject? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
I used to be a fireman, and at one stage I was on long-term sick | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
and I needed something to do | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
and somebody sent me a helmet, and that was it. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
I got the bug. And it's just escalated ever since. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
-How many helmets now? -About 100. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
So you have become addicted to the history of the Fire Service? | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
-It's your thing? -It is. -Where does it start? | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
Does it start with military style..? | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
Basically, yeah, military style. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Which, that's an 1880s French one. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Right. In France wasn't the Fire Service part of the Army, initially? | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
It was, it was, that's exactly what that one is. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
So when you were working as a fireman, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
were you interested in the history? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Yeah. I've always had a passion towards the history of it, yeah. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
-What's that? -That... | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
..that's as Chicago Fire helmet from basically the 1900s. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
It's called a high eagle pattern, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
hence the high eagle and the big badge. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
It's basically made out of buffalo hide and very strong. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
Why did they move away from the metal? | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
A lot of them were being made of brass and copper, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
and when electricity came into being | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
firemen were starting to get electrocuted. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
So you had to have a material that was not... | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
-Nonconductive. -Nonconductive. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
OK. So we get leather, we get... | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
Cork, papier mache. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Papier mache. And various sort of moulded materials. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
-That's right. -So, when you were in service, what were you wearing? | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
One similar to that one down there with the two red stripes, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
what they call a Middlesex pattern, which was made out of cork. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
Nowadays everything is much more standardised. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
-That's right, yeah. -We're looking at a period, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
late Victorian, early 20th century, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
when little local brigades were established, is that right? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
That's right, that's right. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
And they all had their own badges. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
-Exactly. -They had their own helmet style. -They did. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
And, of course, that's what, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
-I suppose, appeals to collectors? -Exactly, yeah. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
You got very, very small packets of history. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
That's right, yes. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
When did it all become standardised? | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Erm, basically, after the war. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
There were five or six specific patterns. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
-So it becomes the national Fire Service? -It did, yeah. Yeah. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
There are collectors worldwide. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
Oh, yes, yes. I talk to one or two from various countries. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
I have a friend in Slovakia | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
who, I send him police helmets and he sends me fire helmets. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
-We exchange. -So the world is your oyster? -Oh, yeah, absolutely. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
-You can go on forever, can't you? -You're right. Yeah. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
What are you going to do when you've got 1,000, or 2,000? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
Oh, don't go there, don't go there! | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
Get into trouble, I would think! | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:41 | 0:18:42 | |
Now, standard helmets fetch £100, up to £250. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
That's right. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Some are much more. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
-Yeah. -Which ones here are much more? | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
This particular pattern, they can go up to over £1,000. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
Yeah, so the average price, as I say, is £200, is that fair? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -You've got 100. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
-Yeah. -Well, that takes us to £20,000. -Yeah. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
I think we should stop there. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Well, ears! | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
-And then there are the exceptional ones, on top of that. -Yeah, that's right. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
So that's creeping up to £25,000, isn't it? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
-Right, yeah. -You can tell the story of the Fire Service | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
better than anybody else. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
You're a great collector and it's wonderful to see them, thank you. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Rather smart red leather box, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
tooling of gold round the edge and within is an enamelled pendant. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
So, tell me why you brought it along today to show it to me. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
I know it's a reliquary. It's got a relic in the back. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
My mother who - it belongs to her - | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
has always said that she thought it was a Victorian copy. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
And I've always thought it was a lot older than that. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
You would like me to tell you that this was 16th century Elizabethan. | 0:19:54 | 0:20:01 | |
Because it looks it, doesn't it? | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
-That's what my husband thinks, actually. -It's got the colour. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
It's got that renaissancey feel about it, hasn't it? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
-Doesn't it, doesn't it? -And look at the colours. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
I mean it's very bold, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
polychrome colours, greens, whites, blues, reds. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Line of rubies at the bottom here. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
-They are rubies? -Yes. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Is that giving you more cause for hope? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Well, yes. I mean, a copy would be paste wouldn't it? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
It would be glass. I just think it's... | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
And the fact that the enamel is slightly worn on the face... | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
The enamel is worn on the front, turn it over, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
if it is a 16th century piece, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
it's got some very visible repairs that have been undertaken. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
You see that backplate, did you notice that backplate? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
I knew the backplate and I didn't know if it was a repair or what. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Yes. It is a repair, unfortunately. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
All right, shall I tell you what it is? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
It's a late 19th-century Austro-Hungarian | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
neo renaissance copy. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
-There you go. -I know. -My mum was right. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
I fear so. It's worth saying, they were very common, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
at the end of the 19th century, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Middle European jewellery | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
had this obsession with anything to do with the renaissance period | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
so they made these sort of things. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
Why? Because apart from the fact everyone loved Tudor period, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
they also wanted to deceive people, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
so they've carried out their task with great aplomb, haven't they? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-Totally, yeah. -Let's put it like this, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
if it had been a genuine 16th century pendant, I would be standing | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
here valuing it at at least, what? £10,000, probably £15,000. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
But, I'm afraid to tell you, it's only worth about £150. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
-Great. Because now I can wear it. -You can wear it. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
-I adore it. -Good. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
I bought this piece recently from my sister. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
These pieces actually belong to | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
my brother at the moment but I'm custodian of them. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
So it's a family connection? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
They were collected by my grandfather who collected all sorts of things. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
I think your grandfather had great taste because these are both great | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
examples of their sort. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
This is a classic piece of Pilkington's Lancastrian lustre | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
with two of the best names. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
WS Mycock who decorated, Walter Crane who was the designer. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
The back is almost as beautiful as the front. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
It's a local piece made just down the road. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
And then these, these are Doulton Titanian Ware, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
which is Doulton from the 1920s but still at the top of their game. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:40 | |
I think what I love about these, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
the owls and this quite formalised border, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
but this owl has caught three mice and this one has only caught one. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
There's a little bit of humour in them. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
So you bought this from your sister? | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
I paid her £500 for that. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
OK. What would you do if I told you it was worth more? | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
I intend to pay her more. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Well, you owe your sister £300, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
-it's worth £800. -Is it really? Right. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
-Yeah, I'll make sure she gets it then. -But she... | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
That was witnessed everybody, wasn't it? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
And these aren't yours? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
They are not, they're my brother's. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
-They're worth £600, the pair. -Are they? Very nice too. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
-OK? -Thank you very much. -It's a pleasure, thank you. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
I'm looking at a collection relating to the Glam Rock era in the UK, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
things relating to Marc Bolan, to Carmen, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
to all kinds of other Glam Rock bands. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
And I have the real thing, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
in you, Paul Fenton, a drummer of wide experience. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
Tell me who you were working with at that time? | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
Yes, I met Jeff Christie back in the '60s and he was very lucky to have | 0:23:43 | 0:23:50 | |
written Yellow River, which went to number one around the world, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
in every record buying country in the world, so I got to travel with him. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Living in London of course, in Kensington, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
we used to meet some amazing people. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:00 | |
Went down to the Kensington market to a guy, Ivanovic, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
who made all these amazing clothes, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
and met Carmen, they'd come over from America, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
wanted to find a drummer who wore snakeskin and they went to the right place. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
We got involved with Tony Visconti who was a famous producer who | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
was working with McCartney and Bowie and all the rest of it. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
I met all those incredible people. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
I went to meet Marc and we toured for a while. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
I mean, I think, let's try and remember back to 1970, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
it's when Marc Bolan, T. Rex, released Ride A White Swan. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
When that got to number two in January 1971, bang, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
something called T. Rex-stacy was born, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
which was a kind of Beatlemania for T. Rex. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Every gig that I went to with Marc, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
there were 13 people on stage, session musicians, big band, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
and you couldn't hear a thing for, it was mayhem. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
They'd be screaming after Marc had left the theatre, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
they would still be screaming half an hour after he had left. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
That will always stay in my mind. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
And there was glitter on the cheekbones, there was, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
you were wearing glitter, you were completely outrageous, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
it was almost like a pantomime. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
I mean, this, you told me, Paul, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
that you used to be able to fit that? | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
I did, yeah. I managed to get into it OK and drum with it and it was amazing. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
I'd just never seen anything like it. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
There was no-one else had jackets like this. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Everything was so individual. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Exactly. There is a photo here of Paul Alan from Carmen wearing it, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
alongside Bowie, actually, and presumably, you all swapped clothes? | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
We did actually. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
So, Helen, you're Paul's partner, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
what makes you interested in this particular period? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Well, ever since leaving school when I studied fashion at college, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
I have been so interested in this period. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
I can see why you're interested from a fashion point of view, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
fashion historian. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
It just sums the whole period up. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Now the suit furthest from me, there is a letter with that down here, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:06 | |
from a guy called Alfie who was Marc's bodyguard.... | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
-Bodyguard. -Minder, whatever. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Minder, chauffeur, everything. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
And the letter gives provenance that this was made for, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
or certainly worn by Marc, it comes from a shop in Rodeo Drive. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:23 | |
-That's right. -And it's certainly the right style, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
you could imagine Marc wearing that, couldn't you? | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
-Of course, yeah. -And there is a wonderful memento from that time too, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
which is this book that Marc wrote, it's called The Warlock Of Love, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
and there is a fabulous dedication to Paul, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
a beautiful friend, love Marc, kissy kissy. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
-It's just great. -Absolutely. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
It was just, that was a show business thing with Marc, he was | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
very loving, very caring and then he would have that, personally, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
he would take us out and be very generous. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
And I have to say that T. Rex has gone in and out of value, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
their fortunes since Marc died in 1977, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
their fortunes have gone up and down. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Now, I think things are slightly settled, let's put it that way. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
And I think that what we are looking at here is going to be, you know, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
the jacket, perhaps we are talking about £300. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
-Right. -The suit, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
it would be fantastic to have a | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
picture of Marc actually wearing that suit. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -That would boost it into maybe the low four figures. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
But at the moment I'd have to put it at perhaps £400. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
This I think is the real treasure. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
It may not be visually so exciting but this, to me, is wonderful, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
-to have that. -That was his own copy he gave me. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
-That dedication. -It was, yeah. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
It's terrific. I would put this at around £500. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
-Right, OK. -Auction value. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
I have really enjoyed sharing your memories. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
We've enjoyed it immensely also. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Great, thanks. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
MUSIC: Ride a White Swan by T. Rex | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
We've had a lot of toys on the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
but very seldom have we had such really tiny, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
intricate lovely little ones like these. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
Tell me the history of them? | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Well, my grandfather was a handyman | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
for a lady in Dalton and as a present, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
the lady gave these toys to my grandfather. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Now, the toys originally belonged to this lady's children and when they | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
grew up, they enlisted in the British Army, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
went off to fight in the First World War and unfortunately they were both | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
killed on the same morning in a First World War battle. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
Oh, my goodness. How old were they? | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
I couldn't tell you, obviously 18 at that time. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
Yes, yes. But what a terrible story. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
They must have enjoyed them when they were young, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
and in those days children played very gently with their toys. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
-Yes. -Because they needed to be very gentle, didn't they? -Yes. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
They are, were known as penny toys | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
because they really didn't cost very much in the late 19th century. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
They are by JP Meier from | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Nuremberg, so you're right, they are German. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
And they're made of tin. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
Known as tin plate toys. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
Just to give you an idea of how I know they are by Meier, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
first of all I found this, which is | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Ges Gesch, the registered trademark. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Just to show that they were registered in Germany. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
And then, the only one that's got anything on it to show me that | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
it is Meier is that little mark there, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
which is an M. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
They were started in 1894, Meier, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
and then they went on right through to 1920. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
So these could be somewhere around 1900. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
They are quite flimsy, really, very light. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
A lot of work in them. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
But they are still in such good condition, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
considering they are so terribly fragile. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
I would put an estimate, at auction, of £500-£800. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:24 | |
Yes. Very good. Excellent. Yes. Yes. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
-Pleased? -Yes, it's a bit more than I thought they would be. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
-Yes. -Bit more? -Yes, yes. Very good, excellent. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
So, you've brought us in a wonderful piece of local history, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
the Ulverston Fire Brigade. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
You've got the fire attendance book and the fire report made up by the | 0:30:39 | 0:30:45 | |
fire captain here. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
Now, what is the significance? | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
We've opened this a particular date. October 28 1904. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
This is the date that our local theatre burnt down. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
Opposite the theatre is where Stan Laurel was born and this is where he | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
did his first acting at. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Laurel and Hardy, the comedians? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
Yes, he was born in Ulverston, in Argyle Street. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
-Yeah. -And the theatre that we're looking at now burnt down. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
So, look, here we are, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
the total cost of having all the fireman there was two pounds seven shillings. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
And this is the report from the fire chief. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
It was started by a gas burner dropping out on light being applied | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
which caught, lovely spelling here, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
which caught the scenery | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
and there was no insurance and the damage was not | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
so large as first thought. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
I mean, it's all here, isn't it? | 0:31:35 | 0:31:36 | |
Lovely local history. 50 years of fire. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
How can we value that? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
And who would ever know that Stan Laurel was behind these pages? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
-That's right. -We have to put a price on it. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
I'm going to say £1,000. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Wonderful. Right. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
I'm just amazed by that. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
Well, be careful as you go home. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
Yes, yes. Right. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
She was a vision of delight when first she gleaned upon my sight, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
a lovely apparition sent, to be a moment's ornament. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
And I can't help getting so poetic about a beautiful sculpture | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
made by Lutiger. But tell me, what do you know about it? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
It was left to me through my great-grandfather. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
His sister was married to the artist. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
He was born in Lucerne, Switzerland, in 1871. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:30 | |
And he moved to London and was naturalised in 1912. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
Became a British subject. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
And married the same year to my great-grandfather's sister. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
Well, he popped off to Paris in between | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
because he studied at the Academie de Marne in Paris. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
And though this is a sculpture of a beautiful lady, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
he was also an animalier, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
a sculptor trained in the tradition of sculpting animals. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
Lions, tigers. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
Most of his work was with animals. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
-Yeah. -This is the only non-animal one that I know about. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
He exhibited at many different places. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
He was a Royal Academician up until 1931. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
And that was quite late because he died, was it 19... | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
-33 he died. -33, yes. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
You can't see from the front but round the back, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
she has an apple in her hand. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
Symbolic of being Eve. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
There is no doubt in my mind he's a skilled, skilled sculptor. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
Because he knows how to follow the lines, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
even down to the detail of the little lock of hair. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
That is beautiful, that is just that little extra touch. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
So it's signed, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Lutiger, and it's dated 1923-24 on the base. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
Clearly inscribed in the bronze. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
It may have been a single piece, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
there wouldn't be another one, I don't think. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
If you put this into auction, it must carry a valuation | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
of probably... | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
-£1,200-£1,500. -So much? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
And I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't make a little bit more. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
I love her, it's even got me reciting poetry. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Thank you, thank you very much. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
For this week's enigma, we have Mark Hill to thank. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
Mark, you have been touring around museums of the Lake District and you | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
have come up with this extraordinary, rather baffling object, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
for which you will give us three definitions, if you like, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
and only one of them fits the object, our enigma. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
Well, it's fit for purpose, but what purpose? | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
And the Victorians had a sort of machine, or an item, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
or an object or a utensil like this for every single purpose. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
So the first option is a sugar cane slicer. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
So you would put in your sugar cane and slice it, because sweet drinks - | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
anything sweet - was incredibly popular with Victorians, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
so this would have given them that sort of early morning lift at | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
-breakfast, a sugar rush. -I'm not allowed to pick it up, am I? | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
-Best not to. -So it would be placed up, like this, clamped onto the table, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
and then sliced. You wouldn't want to put your finger in there, would you? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
-Definitely not, definitely not. -So, sugar cane. I'm not sure about that. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
-No? -Not convinced? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:19 | |
-No. -OK, we're not liking that one, come on. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
The second option is a marmalade maker. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
Effectively, you would put oranges inside it, and then operate it, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
just like the sugar cane slicing. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
-And creating marmalade. -OK, who here has made marmalade? | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
-Yes. -Yes? | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
No. I mean, I've made jam. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
With something like this? | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
Funnily enough, no! | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
OK, so stick a bit of orange in there. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
-Absolutely, yes. -Which you would have had to have quartered, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
-in order to get it in there. -Or crushed, of course, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
and then you can just put it inside and squeeze it through, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
very much like the cane, you could just feed it through, as well. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
It would be quite something to squash an orange like that and push it through. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
-It could be a cucumber cutter? -A cucumber cutter? | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
You've got your own definition, have you? OK. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
A fourth option opens up, my goodness! | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
WOMAN: Vasectomies? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
Vasectomies?! Oh! | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
My goodness, I think I'm just going to cross my legs at that! | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
I like your style! | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
Whatever you say now is not going to be as interesting as that. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
No way! The alternative is a rope cutter. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
-A rope cutter? -So you feed the rope through, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
we're doing a lot of feeding through this tube here, but is it rope, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
oranges or sugar cane? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
Right, come on, ladies and gentlemen, because you're definitely going to | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
have to help me. If we're rejecting the cucumber and vasectomy options... | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
Yes, please, definitely the latter... | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
Sugar cane? We didn't like that. You're all changing your minds now. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
-No, rope. -Oh, sugar cane's having it. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
Let's have a show of hands for sugar cane. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
And for rope? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
OK, so sugar cane was in... | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
And is anyone buying the marmalade? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
-Oh, yes, you are. -The nozzle's oblong. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
-And where are you from, sir? -Down Under. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
I was going to say, so an Aussie's now telling us it was used for making marmalade! | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
-Popular down under! -Um... | 0:37:08 | 0:37:09 | |
And your final answer? | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
Is going to be sugar cane, because that's what most people are saying. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
It is on display in the Museum of Lakeland Life and Industry, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
and Paddington Bear would be delighted, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
because it is a marmalade maker. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
AUDIENCE COO | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
Well done! Congratulations, they were right. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
Come forward. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
So you're from Australia? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
-Yeah. -And how did you know this was going to be a marmalade cutter, then? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
Common sense! | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
Right, get back. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
You can't cut rope, which is round, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
-with an oblong hole. -Oh, very good. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
Sugar cane's the same. Oblong hole. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
So what would you cut with an oblong hole that's something that started | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
-off round? -There speaks an engineer, I feel? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
-Australian, mate. -Australia! LAUGHTER | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Well done, you! | 0:38:01 | 0:38:02 | |
It's such a lovely change for me to be looking | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
at a piece of contemporary jewellery, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
-rather than the normal antique jewellery that I look at. -Yes. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
And this is obviously a ring that's very special to you. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
How did it come into your collection? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Well, it belonged to my mother, and it was bought for her by my father, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
I think. She liked this a lot, and she wore it a lot. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
It is by a designer called Gerda Flockinger, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
and she was an extremely important contemporary jewellery designer | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
in the '60s and onwards, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
but you've actually had correspondence with Gerda, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
-haven't you? -Yes. -And how did that come about? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
Well, the ring was involved in a car accident, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
and it ended up on the road. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
-Right. -Not on my mum's finger, I'm happy to say. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
Yes! | 0:38:50 | 0:38:51 | |
But it did get squashed by a car, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
so my dad sent it back to Gerda | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
to get it remade, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
and she somehow or other managed to restore it to its shape. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
I'm not quite sure how she did that - it seems a magical thing to do, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
-because it's so knobbly. -It is, isn't it? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
It's just lovely and textured, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
and this was very typical of her style. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
But, then, the correspondence that we have | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
-is quite funny, really, isn't it... -Yes. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
..about her attitude towards hallmarking? | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
And, of course, at this time, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:20 | |
before 1973, they didn't have to hallmark jewellery. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
-And perhaps you could just read what it was that she said about it? -Yes. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
She seems to be slightly disrespectful | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
of the hallmarking process, actually. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
She says, "As to the matter of a hallmark, I detest the idea. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
"One never knows what condition the object will be left in." | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
Well, this is it, isn't it? | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
Because, of course, it wasn't the maker that hallmarked it, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
it went away to be assayed, and I think many of these jewellers, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
who were so passionate about their objects, these were, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
we have to remember, one-off pieces, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
-they didn't do repeat designs. -Yes. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
-Not that they would have ruined it in any way... -No. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
..but that was the big thing, wasn't it? It really was. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
Well, it is a beautiful piece, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
and we have to remember that Gerda was quite ground-breaking in her | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
jewellery. She's had stand-alone exhibitions | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
at the Victoria and Albert Museum, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:06 | |
one of the first females - living female artists - to do that. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
So in that respect, she is highly collectable. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
Now, this is, in some ways, quite a relaxed design of hers, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
because her jewellery has got bigger and better | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
and much more exuberant in design over the time. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
So, in an auction environment today, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
we'd be looking at it probably reaching in excess of maybe | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
£4,000 or £5,000, that sort of level. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
But there's a market out there, and on the day, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
something like this could do exceptionally well. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
I just have to remember to wear it more often, don't I? | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
-I think so. -Yes. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:42 | |
What room do you have this in? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
-It's in the lounge. -OK. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
I would have been rather worried if you'd had it in the dining room. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
Do you remember that movie, when they're all sitting round the table, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
and they take the top off a monkey's head and start eating its brains? | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
-Yes. I do, yes. -Do you remember that? -I went to the cinema to see that. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
Anyway, this is really... I'm not sure I'd call it sweet, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
but do you find it fun? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Um... | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
I don't know if I find it fun, but I live with it. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
-That is about as good as it's going to get. -All right. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
It is a little novelty clock. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
Most of these were made in the Black Forest area, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
although some of them come out of the United States, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
but I think this is a sort of German... | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
..realistically, about 1920s, 1925. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
And, of course, the time is read with the eyes. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
Do you have it running at home? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
-No. -So you've never actually tried to tell the time with it? | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
No. I don't know how to. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
You don't know how to? OK, well, like all these things, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
that knob there is what I would like to call the handset, but, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
-in this instance, the eyeset. -LAUGHTER | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
OK, so here we go - I'm just going to move him round. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
So that's the minute hand equivalent, or the minute eye, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
and that's the hours. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
So I'll move the minutes around. Can you see them going round there? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
There it is, on the clock. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
I mean, it's really weird, isn't it? | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
-Let's be honest. -LAUGHTER | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
It's creepy. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
But there are all sorts of novelty clocks like this - dogs, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
all sorts of little animals - and the monkey is really quite scarce. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
-You live with him... -Yeah. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
..so it's worth knowing what he's worth, isn't it? | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
It'd be nice to know, definitely. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
See if I want to continue living with him! | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
Well, if I tell you that he is actually worth about £600... | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
-ALL: -Ooh! -Ooh! | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
So, decision time? | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Live with him, or do something fun? | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
Oh, I'm happy to live with him now. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
Fair enough, fair enough. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
So this chap looks as though he's stepped straight off the | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
croquet lawn of this house, doesn't he? | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Yes. This is my great uncle, Bert Wilson, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
and he died in '97, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
-and he was 99. -Oh, right. He looks about 18, doesn't he? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
-He does. -It's signed Adolf Valette, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
a French Impressionist painter | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
who became a teacher at Manchester. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Correct, yes. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
And he painted the most wonderful sort of... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
This was an exhibition catalogue. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
-Impressionist views of Manchester... -Yes. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
..romanticising it in a very French way. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
Yes. My Great Uncle Bert was an artist... | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
-Was he taught by Valette? -He was taught by Valette. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
-Ah, that's the connection. I see. -Yes. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
He was taught by Valette, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
in the same class as Lowry... | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
..and another family friend, Harry Rutherford, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
who painted very similarly, sort of French Impressionist paintings. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
-Yes, I've seen his stuff. -Yes. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
So the picture looks to me like it's painted probably just at the end of | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
the First World War, maybe as late as 1920, and it's oil on canvas. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
-Yep. -But it's never been varnished, and that's why it's got glass on it. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
-Yeah. -But it gives this wonderfully sort of matte feeling to it, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
that it almost could be very thick body colour, couldn't it, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
-rather than an oil? -Yeah. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
But he's prepared the canvas this colour, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
just before painting anything on it, and then left it | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
to suggest the work coat that he's wearing. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:05 | |
-Right. -And just a few strokes, he's got it, hasn't he? | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
-Yep. -It's so confident, it's so...so strong, and so brief. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:13 | |
He's not quite so good at the hands, I think. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
-They don't quite make sense, do they? -No. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:16 | |
-I can't read them very well. -Yeah. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
But the face - I mean, it's so alive and intelligent. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
Valette, the painter, has painted his pupil | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
as this fresh-faced, enquiring, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
energetic young man, wide awake to the world. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
Yeah. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:34 | |
-You must have known him in later life. -Yes. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
-What was he like? -Yeah, I mean, he was a real character. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
He was obviously an illustrator, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
as you can see by some of the stuff that he's got here | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
in this scrapbook. You can see Manchester Evening News, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
there's a lot of stuff in here. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:48 | |
Here's actually an article actually about himself. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
-That's him? That's him? -That's him, yes. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
And this was actually shown in Manchester City Art Gallery | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
-as part of the Valette... -In this exhibition? -..exhibition. Yeah. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
-Yeah. -Well, I think it's the most wonderful thing, I really do. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
It's so alive. I've not seen many portraits by Valette. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
As I say, I'm more familiar with his impressionist work... | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
-Yes, yeah. -..which, by the way, is very interesting. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
Everybody knows Lowry for his matchstick men... | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
-Yes. -..and matchstick cats and dogs... | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
-Yeah. -..but not so much for his impressionist work, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
which comes directly from Valette, the way he does it. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
-You're right, yes. -Yeah. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:18 | |
Here he is, such an influential teacher, obviously on your uncle as well. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
-Yeah. -Erm...what do we think it's worth? | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
I have no idea. I mean, I inherited it from him - | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
-it's the one thing that he had that I...I always... -That you really wanted? | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
..saw in his house, and I just thought, | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
-"That's the thing that I'd love to have." -"That's the one?" | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
That makes it extremely valuable to you... | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
-Yes, it does. -..less so, perhaps, to the general market. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
Nonetheless, I think it's such a fresh-faced and exciting portrait - | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
so full of verve, and so lifelike - | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
that I think it's worth about £6,000. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
-Wow. -£6-8,000. -Yeah. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:49 | |
-Pretty good. -Yeah. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
-It's never going to be sold. -Good! | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
HE TOOTS WHISTLE | 0:45:55 | 0:45:56 | |
-That's got all of your attention! -LAUGHTER | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
It's been well-used. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:02 | |
I used it, I'd say, nearly every day. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
We're looking at about £50-60. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
Right, right. But the sentimental value of that... | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
Priceless. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:13 | |
A pair of those, that sort of size... | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
around £100, probably. Something like that. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
If Pablo Picasso were to create a pig, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
I can only imagine he would look like this. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
However, this colourful Cubist creation | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
is by an altogether different name. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
And just round the corner, we've got it there - Louis Wain. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:36 | |
Tell me, how did you come to own him? | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
Well, erm, my father died at the beginning of this year, aged 102, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
and I've been clearing the family home, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
which has been in the family for 90 years. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
Up in the attic, most of it was absolute junk, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
but there was one big cupboard with loads of bedding in which we were | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
clearing out - right at the bottom was this. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
And I must admit, I looked at it and thought, "Mm, not very nice." | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
Then, a few weeks later, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:03 | |
somebody came around from an auction house to look through other stuff in | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
the house, so I said, "If you see anything else on the way | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
"that you think might be of value or interest, please let me know." | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
And we got up to the attic and she picked this up and said, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
"Ooh, Louis Wain - nice!" | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
So, I said, "Oh, OK." | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
I said, "Sorry, I don't know who Louis Wain is." | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
And she said, "Well, you know the man who did the cat pictures?" | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
And I then remembered having seen some. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
He's that creator of those weird and wonderful cats, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
and he himself was the most amazing chap. The most bizarre mind, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
creating all these fantastic objects. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
And he did come up with a collection of over 20 pottery figures and | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
-vases... -Oh. -..of which this is one. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
They were created around 1914 for the first batch, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
and then they came back into production in around 1919-1922. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
Made over three countries, so there were lots of | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
different manufacturers, but the one you've got is an early one, | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
and he's one of the ones that is clearly stamped "Made in England". | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
-Mm! -So his name is The Lucky Pig. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
-Is he lucky for you? -I hope so! | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:48:11 | 0:48:12 | |
Well, in this condition, he's a little bit tired, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
a little bit scruffy, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:17 | |
but our colourful cubist pig is worth... | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
-£600. -Woo! -AUDIENCE: -Ooh. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:21 | |
Very lucky! | 0:48:24 | 0:48:25 | |
-Lovely! -Very lucky indeed. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
Well, not lovely, but, yes, nice result! | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:48:29 | 0:48:30 | |
We do see a lot of these type of albums on the Roadshow. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
But what particularly caught my eye | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
was just how well it was put together. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
What we have here is a First World War album, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
compiled with watercolours and poems, etc. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
Can you tell me anything about it? | 0:48:47 | 0:48:48 | |
-Er, it was my great uncle's... -OK. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
..and he, erm, he... | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
It was passed down the family. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
And when my aunt died, it passed on to me. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
So there was a lot of memorabilia. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
-Well, there we are. -And this was one that just popped out, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
and I thought, "Oh, this is interesting." | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
OK. And so you brought it along today for us to have a look at? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
Yes. The paintings, I find fascinating. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
Let's have a look at it, then. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:07 | |
Erm, what we have here is a watercolour dated 1918. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
And obviously, we have a wounded soldier, a nurse and a child. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
It's very sort of symbolic of, you know, a very difficult time... | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
-Yes. -..during the war. Very well executed. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
And this album seems to have been compiled by friends and family here, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
and it's just a wonderful record of a very difficult period. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
I suppose it helped them get through things as well. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
Yeah, absolutely. So if we go to this second bookmarked page, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
we've got a cartoon here. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
Obviously, we don't know the artist because of the initials, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
but it's a copy of the famous Bruce Bairnsfather's Old Bill, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:46 | |
the humorous cartoons of trench life. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
And the title of it is, "There goes our blinkin' parapet again." | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
And there we can see the troops hiding here, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
with the shell going over, exploding, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
and shrapnel going everywhere. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
Quite...poignant, really, isn't it? | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
Yes. And I think it's particularly linked to the reference on here - | 0:50:02 | 0:50:07 | |
White Lund, Morecambe. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
And NFF, which was the National Filling Factory... | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
-Right. -..where they filled shells. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
And there was one across the bay at Morecambe. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
So, obviously, this sort of ties in nicely. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
The artist has made a little reference there, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
and it's dated September 1917. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
-Correct, yes. -So... | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
Well, it's an absolutely fascinating album. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
What I liked at the end of the album | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
is, somebody has sketched in, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
"By hook or by crook, I'll be the last in this book." | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
-And there he is on the gallows. -Yes. -LAUGHTER | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
-"The end." -Yeah! | 0:50:42 | 0:50:43 | |
-It's not quite the end, is it? -No. -Because I haven't valued it. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
Erm, obviously, it's a difficult one to value - it's a unique record - | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
but, erm, I would have thought we're likely to get somewhere | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
-at auction in the region of £150-£200 for it. -Oh, right. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
-That's interesting. It's irrelevant... -Exactly. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
..because it's family history, and I wouldn't part with it, so... | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
-Quite right. -Thanks very much for that. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:06 | |
-That's a pleasure. -Interesting. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
Helen's mother's family comes from Skye, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
and Helen's always wanted a Jacobite glass since pretty well as long as | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
I've known her. And... | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
last birthday...? | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
I did a bit of internet research, and I bought her that. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
Question is - is it in fact a Jacobite glass? | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
Well, tell me what a Jacobite glass is. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
Well, so far as I know, it's... | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
after the Jacobite rebellions, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
tends to be carved with flowers, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
and are, basically, Georgian glass. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
Next question - was it carved when it was made, or was it done... | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
-five years ago? -OK. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
So the Jacobite cause was Bonnie Prince Charlie, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
Charles Edward Stuart... | 0:51:47 | 0:51:48 | |
-HELEN: -Yeah. -..who got as far south as Derby in 1745 | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
in an invasion of England | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
until he was beaten back up to Culloden, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
where his revolt was completely wiped out. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
And Bonnie Price Charlie then... | 0:52:00 | 0:52:01 | |
-..flees. -Escapes, helped by Flora MacDonald. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
Never to be seen again in the British Isles. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
-Yeah, absolutely. -So his goose was well and truly cooked. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
So, here we go. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
So this glass... | 0:52:12 | 0:52:13 | |
..is totally right. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
-AUDIENCE COOS -Really? -Oh! | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
It IS right. I mean, there is a question mark. Now, the glass, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
it does date from that period. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
It's got nice contaminants in it, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
it's sufficiently badly made to be period. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
However, your point is very cogent here about whether this was applied | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
last week. And there is a school of opinion | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
that old glasses are being embellished. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
It has certainly happened in the past, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
and it is extremely difficult to determine one from the other, | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
because the means of wheel-engraving them, which is what this is, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:53 | |
exists today in very much the form that they were 250 years ago. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
Nonetheless, this is a right 'un, | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
as far as I know. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
Question is - what did you pay for it? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
Well...I paid £800 for it, | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
but if it's worth half that, it doesn't matter. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
Well, it isn't worth half that. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
It's worth £1,100. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
-And isn't that nice? -Isn't it very nice indeed?! | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
-Now, do you use it? -BOTH: -No. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:21 | |
Oh, you're kidding - you're not going to drink a wee dram | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
-out of this tonight? -Tonight. -Tonight? | 0:53:25 | 0:53:26 | |
-Tonight, we will. -That would be fab - take a picture and send it to me. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
I'd love to see it. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:30 | |
Well, we could not come to the Lake District without Beatrix Potter. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
It's 150 years since she was born, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
and you've brought in a whole pile of Beatrix Potter, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
and I have selected just these three. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
So how did these come down to you? | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
They were given by Beatrix to my great-grandfather, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
who was a solicitor in Lincoln's Inn in London. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
-Right. -And my grandfather also worked there as a solicitor. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
And the books were given to him, who in turn gave them to his daughter, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
my mother, and then they were read to me as a child, and we, in turn, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
have read them to our children. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
Now, all these three here - it's quite extraordinary - | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
are all signed presentation copies. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
And we start off with Mr Tod, first edition. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
But unfortunately, it lacks the spine. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
Yes. And my favourite, and the one that was read to me continually, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
that I... Cos I requested it. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
So that's why it's so thumbed. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
It does have the lovely inscription - | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
"For Mr Edwards, with kind regards, October 24th, 1912, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
"from Beatrix Potter." | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
She doesn't sign Beatrix Heelis, because she's not married at that stage. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
And here is the title page and the frontispiece. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
But lacking the spine. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:46 | |
-Mm-hmm. -But fabulous, nevertheless. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
My favourite, the one I used to read to my children, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
which in many ways I can say in my sleep - | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
"In somebody's cupboard, there's everything nice - cake, cheese, jam, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
"biscuits, all charming for mice. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
"Appley Dapply has little sharp eyes, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
"and Appley Dapply is so fond of pies." | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
I'm sure you've heard it all before. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
Anyway, the lovely thing about this Appley Dapply is, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
you DIDN'T like it! | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
And the spine is on! | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
-Yes, yes. -Which is tremendous, I love that. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
And that is a beautiful copy of the first edition. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
And again, as we turn it over, here we are - "Mr Edwards, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
with kind regards..." - and she puts her name in inverted commas - | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
"..Beatrix Potter". November 24th, 1917. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
Well, she had married by then. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
But, er, that was quite late. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:35 | |
Now, the final one, The Pie And The Patty-Pan, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
is a wonderful little story about a generous cat | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
that goes around cooking | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
and doing all sorts of good deeds for people, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
which is not in good condition. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
The spine, again, is rather tatty. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
First edition. I think it's probably the most important, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
because I think of the inscription here. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
Here we are - "To Mr Edwards, with kind regards from Beatrix Potter. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
"November 16th 1905." | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
Now, this is right at the beginning of Beatrix Potter's career | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
in the Lake District. The frontispiece is Hill Top Farm. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
Now, Hill Top Farm was the first place that she bought when she was | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
up here. And Mr Edwards presumably did all the conveyancing | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
-and all the rest of it. -I would assume so, yes. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
"The frontispiece is Hill Top Farm, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
"and the pictures are all in Sawrey and Hawkshead." | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
And here is the frontispiece - Hill Top Farm here. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
That, as far as a Beatrix Potter collector is concerned, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
has to be the cream of the crop. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
It is absolutely superb. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
I'm going to put these back on their stands and ask you about value, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
because we have to come to value. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
I haven't the foggiest idea. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
-Your favourite... -Mm-hmm. -..Mr Tod. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
Erm, without the spine, but with the inscription... | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
..£5,000. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:56 | |
AUDIENCE GASP AND WHISTLE | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
Right. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
My favourite, Appley Dapply... | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
I'm going to put... | 0:57:03 | 0:57:04 | |
-£8,000 on that one. -Right. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
This one, which I think has to be the best, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
I'm going to put £12,000 on that. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:13 | |
AUDIENCE GASPS | 0:57:13 | 0:57:14 | |
Right, OK. Mm-hmm. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
A collective value of £25,000. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. -You've made my day. -Thank you. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
What a lovely way to end our visit to the Lake District - | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
to see the work of one of its most famous residents. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
From all of us here at Holker Hall in Cumbria, bye-bye. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 |