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Today we're back at Arley Hall and Gardens in Cheshire, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
and if you're a garden lover, prepare to be very excited, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
because this is one of the oldest country gardens in existence. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
And it's believed this double herbaceous border | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
is one of the oldest in the country. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
Look at it - isn't it glorious? | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
This has been home to the Warburton family since the 15th century, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
and it seems that successive generations have viewed the garden | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
as being at the heart of this home. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
With records going back more than 250 years, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
it's such an important part of horticultural history | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
that it is Grade II listed. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
The garden is best known for its fabulous herbaceous border. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
There's even a plan of it dating back to 1846 - | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
the earliest plan for a herbaceous border ever found. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
This was a breakaway from the more formal gardens, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
pioneering the idea of mixing lots of plants and colours together | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
in one space. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
And it must have caught the eye of artist George Elgood, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
who painted these watercolours in the 1880s and '90s. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
The plants were also much admired by | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
the acclaimed garden designer Gertrude Jekyll, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
who wrote in this book, Some English Gardens, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
about one of the paintings done by George Elgood, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
and she said, "Throughout the length and breadth of England | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
"it would be hard to find borders of hardy flowers handsomer, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
"or in any way better done than those at Arley in Cheshire. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
"It's easy to see in the picture | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
"how happily mated are formality and freedom." | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
What a gorgeous backdrop to see what stories will blossom | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
on this week's Antiques Roadshow. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
We don't get many nuns brought into the Roadshow, funnily enough. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
No? Probably not. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
And here she is, a beautiful porcelain nun. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
I bought her a few years ago in Braderie de Lille, in France. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
I just loved her when I bought her, so I've had her ever since. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
What appeals to me about it is the really crisp modelling, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
it's like a piece of sculpture. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
A piece of sculpture in porcelain, and it's beautifully painted. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
When you look at this little border around the edge of her habit there, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
that's actually hand-painted. These tiny little scrolls. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
-Oh, right. -Isn't that gorgeous? -Yes, yeah. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
And the Bible that she's reading, when we look there, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
it's difficult to show it, but can you see there? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
-I can, I can. -There's an inscription in the Bible. -Yeah, Omnia. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Exactly, it says Omnia Vanitas, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
which is from the Latin version of the King James Bible. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
-Right. -So she's a nun and she's reading the Bible. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
The irritating thing about this nun, the only irritating thing about her, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
there's no "Made in France" or factory mark or anything. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
-No, no. -So how on earth would you know what she was? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Well, yeah, I don't. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
-I'm hoping you do! -I do, that's the good news! | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
I do, because I recognise the kind of porcelain that she's made from. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
-Right. -I recognise the colour of the gilding here, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
it's a particular tone of colour, of gilding. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
I even recognise this blue that her Bible is bound with. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:10 | |
-Yeah? -These are all features of one factory, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
and that factory is not in France. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
-Is it not? -It's in the East End of London. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
-No! -It's in Bow. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
-Really? -So she's a Cockney nun. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
Would you believe it? | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
Can you believe that? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
-She's a Cockney nun. -Wow. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
And even more amazingly, from the way that she's decorated, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
she was made, and this is almost unbelievable, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
-she was made 1758, 1760. -No! Oh, my goodness. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:45 | |
-250 years old. -Oh, my goodness. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
-Wow. -And a really early piece... -I'm astounded. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
..of English porcelain by one of the best makers there is. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:59 | |
-How much did she cost you? -10 euros. -10 euros? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
So maybe £8. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
This nun, made in London at Bow, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
cost you 10 euros. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
It's worth a minimum of 350 to 400. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
-Really? -450...something like that. -Wow! | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Wow. That's amazing. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
These very sombre portraits are the kind of thing you might have seen | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
in any Victorian parlour, aren't they? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
But the eyes rather follow you around the room. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Who are they? | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
This is my lovely great-grandfather, James Davies Taylor, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
and my great-grandmother. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
And really unusually, these are paintings over photographs, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
-did you know that? -Yes, I did. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
You can sort of tell once you know that they are. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
As a result, the eyes have been done in | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
with this kind of very blue colour | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
that perhaps wasn't really there. I don't know... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
-Your eyes are blue, though. -My family do have very blue eyes. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
That will be, they've brought them out. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
But incredibly, you've actually got the original photographs which were | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
blown up and then painted over to make these. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
If you compare them, first of all your very pretty great-grandmother, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
you can see it's exactly the same pose, can't you? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
All they've done is added a great deal of colour, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
and made her look as though she's living and breathing, haven't they? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
And the same with him. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
All the props have been coloured in, that basket of flowers, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
and then he himself has been spruced up no end. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
His moustache looks rather splendid. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
Tell me, why did they bother to have these rather grand portraits made? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
We're not sure why they had them made, but he did die the year after. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
We believe he was instrumental in bringing about legislation | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
to force the pit owners to insulate the wiring systems. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
-So this is down the mines? -Yes. -And the wires were uninsulated? | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
Initially they were uninsulated, and people were dying because of it. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
I can imagine, actually. I mean, you're down the mine, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
you're very sweaty because it's incredibly hot, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
you're probably not wearing a shirt and it's pitch dark. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
You bump into something and give yourself 240 volts. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
No wonder it was dangerous! | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
It's insane. It's absolutely unbelievable, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
and I once asked my grandfather why they didn't insulate, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
because I couldn't believe it, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
and he said the pit owners said it was too expensive. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Well, there you go - money, money, money. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
And so how did he manage to get that done? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Well, he supported a lady who had lost her husband to electrocution, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
and he supported her in a legal case, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
because although he wasn't a lawyer, he was well-versed in law. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
And he provided the funds for her to bring the case. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
They won the case. She wasn't compensated, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
but as a consequence of that, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
they had to insulate the wires, and that was passed throughout England. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
-What, nationwide? -We believe so. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
So where did he get the resources and funds | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
to be able to represent this widow? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
We believe the funds came from the Foresters, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
which was almost like an early welfare system | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
prior to the welfare state. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:03 | |
-So everyone would put the dividends in... -The workers? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
The workers would put their dividends in and when they were | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
in dire need, they were supported from the fund. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
From the fund, I see. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
And this medal. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Yes. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
-What does it mean? -Well, it says on the back... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
-You've got the medal with you. -Yes, I have got the medal with me. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
It says "with thanks for services rendered" on the back. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
-And it's from the Foresters? -It's from the Foresters. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
So the community must have absolutely adored him | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-for this kind of work. -They did, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
and when he died the whole of Barnsley turned out, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
and apparently my grandad said he remembered the streets | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
being completely blocked with the whole of the community, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
who were mourning his loss. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
Isn't it extraordinary, the depth of stories that lie behind images | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
that you might just skip over occasionally? | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
Yes, and I'm so proud of him, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
because he did so much for the community. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
So, they're not worth very much, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
-and I don't suppose you expected them to be, did you? -No. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
I would have thought, even so, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
he seems to me a very important man in the early trade union movement. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
Before it all began, almost, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
and so that makes it important, in that sense. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
I'm going to put £500 on the pair. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
And the medal, which has got to have an interest in value, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
perhaps the same again. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
-So a total of £1,000. -That does surprise me. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
They're very precious, we'd never, ever sell them. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
I wouldn't either, if they were mine. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Cockerels. You see them in nearly every continent in the world. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
Where do you think this cockerel was made? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Well, I don't know, but I come from The Potteries | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
and I wondered whether he came from there or from Ironbridge, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
somewhere like that, because I think he is bronze | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
and he is extremely heavy. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
So, you're thinking Ironbridge | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
-and all that cast metal, all the foundries? -Yes. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
Well, certainly from a foundry, but not in Britain. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
-In fact, he is absolutely, definitely Austrian. -Oh! | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
Cast in a bronze factory in Vienna, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
and the most well-known is the Bergman bronze foundry. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
-Right. -So, absolutely, he weighs... -A tonne. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:09 | |
..a tonne, doesn't he? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
The foundry was first started in 1860 | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
by a man called Franz Bergman | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
and he then handed on the factory to his son, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
who was another Franz, around 1900. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
And I think that he was made in the early part, then, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
of the 20th century. But the problem is, the mouldings, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
the castings remained the same. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
They were handed down from father to son, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
so it's quite difficult to tell exactly when he was made. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
He has a slightly indistinct stamp underneath | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
that has been painted over. It's a two-handled urn with a capital B. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
That confirms what I already feel about it. Who did he belong to? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
He belonged to my uncle Harry, who was 20 years older than my father. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
And so did you know this as a child? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
No, I didn't meet him until my uncle Harry had died | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and then he came to live with my father and then eventually, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
he's died and he's come down to the rest of the family. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
He just keeps on moving on, don't you? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
The paintwork is in such good order and that is a really nice thing | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
because a lot of these bronzes get very scratched over the years. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
The glass eyes are perfectly intact and he's very colourful, isn't he? | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
Yes, he's very smart, isn't he? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
I've seen a lot of cockerels | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
and they fetch around £300 | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
-but that's when they are this size. -Oh, right. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
This is...not quite life-size, but he really weighs a tonbe, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
-and on a great scale. -He's a big boy! | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
And he's worth £3,000. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
Ooh, that's nice. That's a surprise. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Oh, well, you were worth lugging around! | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
Jewellery. It's about love, it's about power, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
but it can also be a little bit about scandal. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Who would have thought it with a beautiful bracelet like this? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Tell me about the history. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Yes, well, it's supposed to have been given by the Prince of Wales | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
to his wife, although at the time, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
she wasn't held to be his wife. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
It was a secret marriage. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
This was when he was trying to persuade her to come back to him. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
We're talking George IV here, aren't we? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
-He eventually became George IV. -Yes. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
He married, in secret, Mrs Fitzherbert in 1795 | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
and this is when he was trying to persuade her | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
to come back to him in about 1799. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
So how did the bracelet come into your family? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
It was passed down through my immediate family | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
and probably was given to my great-great-great-grandmother. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Of course, it's all around the time of George IV, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
who of course was Prince Regent to start with. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
He had quite a complicated love life, really, didn't he? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
-I think that's the best way of putting it! -Yes. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Very much in love with Mrs Fitzherbert, the love of his life, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
but of course, he had quite a reputation for gambling | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
and building up debts and it was correct that | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
the government said they would pay off all his debts | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
if he married Caroline of Brunswick, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
so she comes over and they get married, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
but it doesn't quite work out. Well, I think when you're in love | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
with somebody as much as he obviously was with Mrs Fitzherbert, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
it was never going to be, was it? It's such a shame. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
The bracelet itself is made of gold. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
We have this lovely, delicate chainwork around here | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
and then the detailing across the top | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
which has got an inscription on it in French, which is... | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
"Rejoindre ou Mourir." | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
That is supposedly a clue to its provenance. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
"Let's get back together," "Let's get reunited or I'll die." | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
-So tragic! -The point being that when he tried to woo Mrs Fitzherbert | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
in the first place, there was a mock stabbing. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
He supposedly tried to kill himself | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
to try and persuade her to marry him. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
So this is possibly a link back to that first occasion. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
It just shows the passion that you can have for somebody. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
It's extraordinary, isn't it? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
So, that's the inscription there. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
We also have a lovely bit of agate in the centre | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
and then a little turquoise in the middle there. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
Turquoise in the language of lapidary and stone and love | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
means, basically, forget-me-not, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:25 | |
because it's supposed to be the true colour of the forget-me-not flower. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
What we have here is a slightly | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
green colour which is its original colour. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Then when it's polished, it goes to that lovely forget-me-not blue | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
and then reverts back over time to the green. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
If we carefully turn it over, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
there is a little locket on the back. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
If we open it up, we have inside | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
a very, very daintily painted little eye. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
That's always been said to be George IV or the Prince of Wales' eye | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
but I suspect it may be a bit too feminine | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
and I wonder whether it's actually the adopted daughter, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
so that might tally. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
It's also got an inscription on the inside of the locket as well. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
That says "mirror of my heart". | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Oh, it just gets so fabulous, doesn't it, as we go through? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
So, all in all, I just think | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
it's an absolutely gorgeous piece of jewellery. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
I think with the Royal provenance that we have with it, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
which hopefully we can secure, in an auction environment, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
you would be looking at an estimate of £2,500 to £3,000. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:36 | |
It's got the possibility to fly, though, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
because everybody does really love a little bit of scandal. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
Your plate? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
It's funny - I've done vases | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
and decanters and windows | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
on the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
but this is the first time ever | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
-I've done eye baths. -Is it? | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
It is. and so when you came in this morning, I thought, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
that is such an interesting collecting area, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
and you've made it your own. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
-Yes, I have. -So, tell us about it in your life. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
One of the schools around here, the local school | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
was having its 200th anniversary | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
and we started getting out the stuff | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
that had been in the school for a long time. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
One of the things was a first aid kit, and that was in it. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
And I loved it. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
It's lovely, isn't it? A lovely colour. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
So I said to the headteacher, can I give you my plastic one | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
that I've got at home and can I have that? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
And he said yes. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
So I had it and then I've just collected them ever since, really. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
-How long ago is that? -Oh, 20 years, a bit more. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
-Do we have your entire collection here? -You do, yes. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
OK. They were in everybody's home, weren't they? | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
We all had one when we were kids. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
You'd get something in your eye, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
-your mum would get some warm water with salt... -Yes. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
And you'd put it there and then she would tell you to blink. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
-Yes. -And it worked! | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
-It was warm water, you didn't have to buy some product or anything. -No. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
-A bit of salt. -Bit of salt in there. Warm water and salt. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
So, where do you find them? | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
I go round antique fairs, and it gives you an excuse. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
You don't have to spend a lot of money | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
but you can be in an antique fair and get something. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Or the children buy them for me. They see them somewhere | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
in a junk shop or something and I sort of acquire them, really. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
They are, funnily enough, an extremely collected area. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Don't feel as if you are alone in the world of this bonkers mission. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
You're not. The people who collect them most are ophthalmic surgeons, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
-eye doctors. -Really? -Most of these, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
it's fairly easy to guess where they are from | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
because it says "British made," | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
which I find is a bit of a giveaway - | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
I think they're probably Polish! | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
They were made largely in Yorkshire for at least 300 years, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
but you haven't got any that are very much more old than 100 years, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
and they really are... I've kind of grouped them. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
Your best ones are here and some of these are approaching 100 years old. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:18 | |
So, I think that you were paying about three quid for these. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
I mean, that's fine. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
They sell for that kind of money and maybe a little bit more, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
but where you are spending a tenner, for instance, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
on things that are about a hundred years old, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
then I think that you're buying quite well | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
because I think these are sort of 20 quid each. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
20 to 30. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
One like that has got to be 30 or 40 quid. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
Isn't it funny? Look at that, the way it is all falling over | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
and being badly made. It's brilliant, I love it. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
I love badly made stuff. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
So, here you've got thruppence each, as it were, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
and here you've got the cream. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
What you need to aspire to is that level there. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
OK. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
And it's fun doing this, isn't it? | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
It is. My family buy them for me so I'll tell them now, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
they have to buy me more expensive ones! | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
You can't walk down the high street these days without tripping over | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
mobile phone shops, estate agents and tanning shops. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
But what happens if you're in the 1930s and you wanted to tan at home? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
You get, of course, the Vi-Tan home tanning machine. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:31 | |
Why on earth do you have this rather scary-looking device? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
It is quite terrifying, isn't it? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
This belonged to my grandfather and when he passed away, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
it was one of the things I inherited from him. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
So, this was a chap, who, in the 1930s or 40s, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
had a home tanning machine. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Was he some kind of bronzed Adonis therefore? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
He was a man of means, I think. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
He had his own aeroplane. He had a Sopwith Pup. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
A guy used to fly with him and he was the writer | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
of the Broons cartoon in the Sunday Post. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
They're the Scottish cartoon characters? | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
There the Scottish cartoon characters, that's right. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
My grandfather, whose name was Robert Buchanan Henderson, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
was actually the inspiration for Hen Broon and if you look | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
at the character in the cartoon, it's very much like Grandad. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Very tall, upright, long, angular face, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
little bristle moustache and quite the man of the house. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
So from Broon to brown if he stood in front of this thing for a very, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
very long time and got a good tan! | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
As you can see from the label here, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:30 | |
it was made by the Thermal Syndicate Limited. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
In the late 1930s, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
they released the Vi-Tan which was a home tanning machine, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
something you plugged into the electrical socket and you stood in front of it. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
I just love the label on the back here. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
"Always wear the goggles provided when near the lamp. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
"Normal initial exposure, three minutes at three feet. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
"No effect will be felt for three or four hours. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
"Under exposure is better than over exposure." | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
I mean, it's kind of terrifying, isn't it? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-It is. -It's not exactly the most valuable piece in the world but in its day, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
you mentioned he was a man of means and he would have had to have been. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
They cost about £15 so when you think the average weekly wage | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
at that time in 1930s and '40s was around £6 a week, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
you have two weeks just to afford this, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
so it's very much a wealthy person's piece but today, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
I think somewhere in the region of £30 to £50 as a curiosity. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
Yes, well, it certainly is very curious. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
-You wouldn't want to plug it in, would you? -Please don't do that. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Please get it looked at before. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
You know what? I don't think I would want to stand in front of it either. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
I think, basically, would you prefer to stand in front of that | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
or a nice holiday in the Costa Del Sol? | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Come on! We know the answer, don't we? Fantastic, thank you very much. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
So, on the table, we have a set of miniature World War II medals | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
showing that a man was in Burma. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
We have an Indian army ordnance corps cap badge, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
we have the prisoner of war postcards sent back from Japanese prison of war camps | 0:22:04 | 0:22:10 | |
and then we have this. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
-What is this? -This is a diary kept by my father, who was taken prisoner | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
in Singapore on the 15th of February 1942 and the diary is written virtually | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
daily from the 15th of February until September 1945 when he was released. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:30 | |
In that time, he was in Changi jail | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
and seven months on the Thai Burma railway... | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
including the River Kwai | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
and the stories that we all know from that magnificent film. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
Included in it is the emphasis on the malnutrition, the cruelty, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:52 | |
the lack of any hope, virtually, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
of knowing when it was going to be over, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
and then the comments where somebody has died, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
and it's not quite matter of fact, but | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
there were 130,000 working on this railway | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
and 67,000 or 70,000 died. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
I think at night, he would sit down literally and fill in, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
just saying it was a good day or a bad day. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
There's no drama in it, it's not dramatic. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Like these terrible people and these terrible tortures. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
It does mention it and they were terrible, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
like growing bamboo through you and leaving you out for 24 hours with a | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
bowl of water you can't reach and things like that. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
In the end, it was survival and | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
the camaraderie to help each other through. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Did he ever tell you how he kept it? | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
-How did he keep it? -He buried it. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
-He buried it? -Yes. -Where did he get the ink from? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
They made the ink from... | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
..fruit, from spices, from... | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
from anything they could lay their hands on that they couldn't eat but | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
they could use for other purposes. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
There is this moment here where the ink probably ran out and they moved to a pencil. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:04 | |
What is the significance of this moment? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
There was a five-day train journey in metal, er... | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
..carriages which were rice carriers | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
with 28 or 30 people per carriage. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
They were unable to sit down. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
There was no food, no sanitation and it was a five-day journey from | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
Singapore to Ban Pong which was west of Bangkok and the beginning of the railway. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
How long did he work on the railway for? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
Seven months. The railway only took one year to build. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
They say a person died per railway sleeper and it was 215km long. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:44 | |
When he came home? | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
He was repatriated back to the UK, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
kept in the Army because they were in such a miserable state, and posted to Germany | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
as part of the Army of Occupation, but probably a more gentle job | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
to get back to normal health. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
It is such a unique record. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
I don't think... | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
I've really ever seen a diary written like this. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
You can't imagine in any way what these people went through and yet, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:16 | |
your father sat there and kept a record | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
in this tiny, tiny writing | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
of every day and as his friends died | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
he wrote their names, and because I've seen some of them written in and I know you've told me | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
that you've been out to Thailand and Burma to see where they are buried now. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
It's almost impossible to put a price on this. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
I mean, how can you put a price on five and a half years in a prison camp, when, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
bless him, he probably had nothing? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
A bowl of rice to him was worth the earth. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
I would imagine if something like this came up | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
for auction and was sold, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
it would actually really wouldn't realise what it would be worth. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
It would probably be £600 or £700. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
But to what he went through, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
there is no price that you could put on this. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Because of this one man, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
we at least have the story of a lot of people who were in those camps and | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
who didn't come home, but at least the amount of effort they put in | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
to staying alive is recorded here. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Well, here we are, poised in front of three copies of the most iconic | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
children's book of the 20th century, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
and here are you and I am wondering why you collected three copies. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
Well, about ten years ago we were on holiday in California in Laguna Beach | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
and in most of those small American towns, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
there are always fundraising things going on. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
-Yes. -Fundraising for the local library and Brenda came to me and said, | 0:26:55 | 0:27:01 | |
"I've bought a copy of Where the Wild Things Are," | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
which she was very pleased about. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
She said, "and it's a first edition." | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
I said, "Let's have a look." | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
I turned the page over and said, "Do you know it's signed?" | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
-I didn't. -She didn't! | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
So, how much did you pay for it? | 0:27:17 | 0:27:18 | |
25 cents. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Let's just have a look at this. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
25 cents and you say it's a first edition. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
-Yes. -Well, let's just look inside. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
Here is the first page and it's copyright 1963, first edition, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:35 | |
Where the Wild Things Are, Maurice Sendak. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
Yes. And this is the signature here. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
Maurice Sendak. To Jeffrey and Emily. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
Boo! | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
Well, that's wonderful. So, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
you bought this first edition and what I would say is wrong with it | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
-is it's lacking a dust wrapper. -Yes. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
Which is a great shame, yes. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
But about these other two? You've got one here in Welsh? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Well, buying the first one set us off to look at every copy | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
of Where the Wild Things Are that came along. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
In the local flea market, that's where the Welsh edition turned up. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
-And the third one? -The third one was a car-boot sale. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
It's the 25th anniversary edition. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
What are you going to do with these? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
I think it's been published in very nearly every language in the world, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
so we've got a lot to go at if we can get a first edition of every one? | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
-Have you got children? -We've got grandchildren, yes. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
We've got four grandchildren so we definitely need another one. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
So you're going to give one to one, one to another, one to another? | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
It would be a lucky dip, I think! | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Right, let's start off with prices, shall be? | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
The three you've got. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
The 25 years edition, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
it's not going to be terribly valuable but I imagine £20 or £30. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
The first Welsh edition, probably a similar amount of money. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
It does have a dust wrapper but the condition is not terribly good. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
But this one is going to be worth... | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
-..£3,000. -Oh, my goodness! | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
Now, you're going to break up the family if you start distributing that, aren't you? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
What are you going to do? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
The best thing about it is, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
it's an absolutely wonderful story to read to the grandchildren. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
I couldn't help noticing your potty, sir. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Are you worried about the length of the queue? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-I am, yes. -In case you get caught short? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
Where did you come by this marvellous potty? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
My dad knew some friends, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
an old couple of men that never got married and they were moving into town | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
where they could walk to the shops so he thought, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
I will go and see them off before they go. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
They said to him, "Do you want this pot?" | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
He said, "Yes, I'll have that, that's lovely." | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Playing music. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
And that's how I've come to get it. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
So, it plays music. It says, "Ooh landlord, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
"fill the flowing bowl" which is a drinking song, isn't it? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
I think it is, yes, but it's changed, hasn't it, to fill this. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:04 | |
Clearly. Oh, look, it's got "patent non-splash thunder bowl". | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
Well, sir, I shall leave you with your potty and hopefully | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
you won't be waiting so long you'll find yourself in need of using it! | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
Well, you don't have to be too keen on clocks to think that this is | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
actually rather nice. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
-Do you like it? -I love it. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
-It is beautiful. -Is it yours or a family thing? | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
It was my father's. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
My father passed away a few years ago and I found a whole collection | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
of clocks and watches that he had accumulated. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
He was one of these people that could repair anything and understood | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
everything from first principles, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
but he always said this was his favourite clock. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
The story is that it was either the clock or a family holiday and he went for the clock! | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
Wow! | 0:30:55 | 0:30:56 | |
Where was the holiday to? | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
I imagine it would have been somewhere like Frinton-on-Sea | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
and I know for a fact that my sister was scared of going on the beach | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
and screamed so it was probably a wise choice. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Well, we'll see later, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:11 | |
but let me just tell you that it's English through and through. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
Mid-19th century, sort of 1850, possibly 1855. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
It's everything that the English clock collectors want. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
The wood is satin wood. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Two winding squares, one for going, one for striking. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
You've got this fantastic... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
subsidiary seconds at the 12 o'clock position. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
The size is lovely and you associate most clocks with a pendulum, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
don't you? This doesn't have a pendulum. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
It has the most fantastic giant platform. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
Lovely. Let's look at this dial. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
Beautifully engraved, lovely fleur-de-lis hands. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
It is a really nice dial. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
The only thing I can fault on it, there's no signature. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
Looking at the side, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
twin fuses, the original chains, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
maintaining power for the going train, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
which is what you would expect, and then on the back, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
you've got this large coiled gong | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
and you've got the most fantastic regulation scale there | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
for the back of the platform. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
Size is not too big. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
It is top-of-the-range. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
I don't know why it is not signed. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
We will never know, but it is anonymous. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
I suppose that holds it back a bit. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
So, what would be your chosen holiday now? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
I think I'd go for Honolulu. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
-OK. -I've never been to the South Seas. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
So, what's that going to be for two of you? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
I suspect about £10,000. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
-About ten grand? -Yes. -So, Frinton or this? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
Or Honolulu or this? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
How do you think it equates? | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
Well, I think I'd rather keep the clock than go to Honolulu. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
Well, I certainly would, particularly as the clock, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
if you were to sell it at auction, would make a minimum of £15,000. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
-Wow! -So, I would put it to you... | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
..that it was a very good decision to have made initially by your father. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
He made a lot of good decisions, so, he's done it again. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
It's not every day that I get to record with a piece of glass that is | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
larger than my mouth! | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
But that is the case today. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
You've brought this along on your barrow. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
This is a beautifully made piece of stained glass, I really must say. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
Tell us how it fits in your life. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
I was working next-door to a property which was being refurbished and | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
there was a stone facade on the side of the house that my son wanted a | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
stone facade for his cottage, but behind the stone facade was this window, | 0:33:55 | 0:34:01 | |
so I took the stone facade down and took the window down, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
paid the man, and I have had it for 13 years. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
It is beautifully made. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
Looking at the joinery around here, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
this is all oak and the skill that went into making this | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
is extraordinary, really, and around the other side, of course, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
you have wrought iron straps on it to protect it, because we are on the | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
inside here, aren't we? | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
This is the inside and this is the outside. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
This is where the oak is. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
I would think it's somewhere about 1880. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
Its value rests on who is going to buy it, of course, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
and what you're going to use it for. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
You've got to have a very specific place for it. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
I notice you haven't done anything with it. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
It's just sat in your garage for the last 13 years, hasn't it? | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
Well, I've been waiting for planning permission for my extension! | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
-To do what? -To do an extension to our house. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
-Oh, you're going to use it? -Yes. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Oh, brilliant. Look, I tell you. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
It's English, 1880s. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
-How much did you pay for it? -£150. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
13 years ago? | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
-13 years ago. -Well, I think that if you went into a reclamation yard | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
and wanted to buy this today, I don't think you'd get any change from 500 quid | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
and then I reckon that this barrow is worth another hundred quid, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
so I reckon the lot is 600 quid, so I reckon 150 quid, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
-you've done all right, mate! -Very good. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
Thanks for bringing it in. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
You might think you're looking at a portrait by a European artist of the 1930s. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
In actual fact, this painting | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
was done by an Indian artist in the 1950s. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
It's obviously a portrait. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
Can you tell me something about the sitter? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Yes, the sitter is my mother. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
It was painted in India and... | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
..the artist worked for Grindlays Bank, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
which was where my father worked, and that's how we got to know... | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
That's how he came to paint your mother? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
-Yes. -Well, the artist has actually signed his name. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
A very well-known artist in India today, Krishen Khanna. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
So, obviously, you have a family relationship with him | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
-or you had a family relationship with him? -Yes, my mother did. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
I was too young at the time but my mother knew him and I believe has kept | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
in touch occasionally. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
The story of Grindlays bank is fascinating because Krishen Khanna, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
his family originally came from Lahore and with the separation of India | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
and Pakistan, they moved to Shimla, where he worked in Grindlays Bank. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
Absolutely. The artist gives up banking in 1960 | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
and he becomes a professional painter. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
He takes the leap although he had very little money, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
he took that big step to become a professional artist and of course, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
most of the works we know of his date from that later period, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
from the '60s, '70s, '80s etc. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
It's extremely rare to find a picture by Krishen Khanna from 1954. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
From this experimental phase, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
he had just taken a few evening classes in painting and was practising and | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
he went on to become a really important figure, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
one of the great modern painters of India, along with MF Husain, Raza, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
Souza, Gaitonde, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
all of these names that have now really achieved celebrity globally. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
It's a fascinating picture. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
It's very, very much rooted in the European painting of the 1930s. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
It has a very, very luminous effect with a nice impasto, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
this very thick painting. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Krishen Khanna has become a big name and what has happened is, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
the whole market for modern Indian painting has gone through the roof, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
partly with the birth of private museums in India, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
with the Indian diaspora, Indians in Britain, in America, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
in south-east Asia, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
who want to reclaim some of this modern heritage and who have started to collect. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
Do you have any idea of the value of a 1954 Krishen Khanna painting? | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
None, none whatsoever. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:02 | |
It has never been valued. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I mentioned to my mother that I might bring it here today and she said, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
"Go ahead, see what happens." | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
But no idea whatsoever. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Well, I think she would be happy to know that were it to be offered at | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
auction, it would probably be with an estimate of something like | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
£30,000 to £50,000 today. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
-Crikey! -Are you shocked, or am I? | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
I think you're going to make her a very happy lady today. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
She will be. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
Well, I'm mindful that these days, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:43 | |
ladies don't do so much lunch as they are doing afternoon tea. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
Absolutely. I'm having afternoon tea on Sunday. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
Oh, are you? Are you using your best china, that's what I want to know? | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
-Afraid not. -I'll tell you what, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
if I was to produce this china for anybody, they would have to be very, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
very good friends. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:04 | |
-Where has it all come from? -It comes down on my mother's side and was | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
given to her by my grandmother | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
and I believe it was her great-grandmother's wedding set. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
When did she get married? | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
It must have been around about 1830 something like that. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
Right, OK. You know full well who made this? | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
-Yes. -Because on the base of this saucer, we have a mark. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:32 | |
That is a mark of the Rockingham porcelain factory. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
The mark there is the puce mark, and that mark was used from 1830 to 1832. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:44 | |
-Oh, right. -So that would tally in absolutely perfect. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
-Yes, yes. -What strikes me is the quality of the flower painting. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
It's absolutely beautiful. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
It is, it's exuberant. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
I mean, let's just take this one cup. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Everything you see on there has been painted by hand. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
But what an expert hand. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
Now, this is just a selection of about how many pieces? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
-About 50, I think. -About 50. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
What was left after my father tended to break it... | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
-When washing up. -Well, it's a high-risk area. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
Rockingham porcelain has been a victim of trends | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
and it's been a bit of a downward trend when it comes to price. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
So I think it's fair to say that what was worth, let's say, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:31 | |
£3,000 25 years ago is probably | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
nearer £1,500 - £2,000 today. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
-But does it matter? -No. Not at all. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
Course it doesn't matter because this is the best of | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
Yorkshire porcelain and let me tell you, coming from a Lancastrian, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
that is the ultimate tribute. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
MUSIC: Everything Stops For Tea | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
HENRY SANDON SPEAKS | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
in a Stoke-On-Trent museum. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
So, tell me, how did a piece of modernist Americana get here | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
-in leafy Cheshire? -Well, I was | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
living in America and a friend of mine's aunt passed away and I helped clear out her estate. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:28 | |
And this was one of the things that we found and | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
I was given it as a gift for helping | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
do the bull work of clearing everything out. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
So you obviously love it as much as I do. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
I do indeed. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
It's made and designed by Homer Gunn, who is a recognised artist in America. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
He did a lot of monuments. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
He studied in the Rhode Island School of design and art, 1938 - 41. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:56 | |
And the origins of this are in the Art Deco period, the interwar period, | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
which is when he would have been getting his act together | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
to become the sculptor that he actually was. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
Some people say his work is brutalist, but it's very simplistic, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
in my mind. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
I love horses, as you can tell, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
and I love the way he's just made this move | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
as if it is jumped together almost out of a tube into life. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:23 | |
You must have loved it to bring it back from America. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
I do, I love the fluidity of movement in it. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
The simple construction but it really gives the shape of the horse | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
-and the movement. -Just two lines of brass. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
-Yes. -And a little bronze mop on it. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
To give the symbolism of its eye and its ears and its mane, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
and it's even got a bit of movement in the curve of its spine. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
And when we look at it around here, its body is just two circles. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
And its tail is even floating away this way. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
It looks as if it's going to just jump over a fence and float away. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
He was an important designer in several art circles in America. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
The Boettcher six were one that springs to mind. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
And he actually did several big monuments. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
Symphony Orchestra monument, big gallery monuments, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
but this works in a small and simple and acute style. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:16 | |
-How long have you had it? -Since 1994. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
Well, it's made in 1965 and on the base, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
we can see it's signed, or inscribed, Homer Gunn '65. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:29 | |
And it is very typical of the period of the brutalist modernist period. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
These are the antiques of the future. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
These are the things which are making the money now. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
There's not lots of his work available, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
but those that do command some good prices. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Really? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:45 | |
And this simple set of circles probably out of a couple of pounds' worth | 0:43:45 | 0:43:51 | |
of material, a couple of circular pieces cut into sections, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
is now going to be worth £1,500. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
-Very good. -Thanks for bringing it to England because I love it. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
This is what's called a duck's foot pistol because it looks | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
like a duck's foot. Sort of. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
And it was made in about 1770. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
And it was designed purely for law and order, | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
to intimidate large groups of people. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
They are rare, rare things. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
There's huge amounts of fakes. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
And I'm pleased to say I've had a really good look at this and I am | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
certain that this is not one of them. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
Oh, well that's very nice to know. Very nice to know. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
-Where did you get it? -I bought it in a shop in Pudsey. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:42 | |
-Oh, yes? -Where they sold not only at the time current firearms but also | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
they had an antique section. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
And I popped in one day. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
He brought one out, he brought that out, and I said, I'll have it! | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
So it was a bit of an impulse buy then. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
-Yes. -Well, I think it was a very good impulse. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
It's a lovely, lovely thing. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
And, if we just look at it, you can see on the side, the maker's name. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
-Laugher. -Right. Yep. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
He was the man who made it in the 1770s. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
If you imagine that you were the captain of a merchant ship | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
and you had a couple of these, you had a mutinous crew, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
you stood on the quarterdeck... | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
If you had two of these, the crew is not going to try and storm you. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
You can say, "Right, you lot, back below decks." | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
And really this... | 0:45:25 | 0:45:26 | |
This predates the 19th century perfection of the revolver, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:31 | |
which gave you five or six shots. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
That gave you four automatically. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
Over a spread, and certainly, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
no crowd would want to have a go at anybody armed with that. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
If you had to go and buy that today, in a buoyant market, at auction, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
you'd be paying something like £3,500 for it. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
So, quite a lot of money. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:51 | |
And it's a fantastically good thing. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
It's been just great to see it here today. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
-That's good. That's good. -Nobody will argue with that, will they? | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
Thank you very much. No, they won't. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:00 | |
I like to think this is the young Mary Berry. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:46:07 | 0:46:08 | |
Could be. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Actually, the date is 1942. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
Now, how do I know that? | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
Luckily for me, there's a label on the back. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
Telling me that the painting is by Doris Zinkeisen | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
and, on the label, it says "ICI". | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
Very strange idea... | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
for a chemicals company to have a label on the back of a painting. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
Now, the reason for that is because during the war - | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
don't forget, these were the darkest days of the war, 1942 - | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
ICI, in order to encourage the Home Front, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
commissioned a series of paintings from different artists, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
but particularly from Doris Zinkeisen, who painted this, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
of women working on the Home Front. This is called The Kitchen Front. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
It's on the label. So, it's a wartime propaganda poster, really. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
It was made as a poster, and this is the original painting. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
Because you didn't know who it was by when you brought it in, | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
you hadn't looked at the label, had you? | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
I'd seen the ICI part and I wondered what the connection was with ICI. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
-That's always interested me. -That's the connection. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
So, you didn't know who she was, Doris Zinkeiser? | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
She was one of two sisters. Doris and Anna. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
They lived together, shared a studio, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
and they both painted quite similarly. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
But Doris, in my opinion, is the better painter. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
In those days, you might have said | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
that she was "only" a poster artist, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
but then her society portraits and, also, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
she worked for the London Theatre doing set design and costume design. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
Raised her up to a much higher level than just that. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
In latter years, we have come | 0:47:35 | 0:47:36 | |
to really appreciate those very things you like about it - | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
its simplicity and the stylised forms. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
-Yes. -And it's modernity, for 1942. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
So, you didn't know who it was by, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
you didn't know what it was really about, you didn't know its date - | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
why did you buy it at all? | 0:47:50 | 0:47:51 | |
I bought it at an auction, and I bought it simply because I liked it, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:56 | |
and I still do. I bought it about 20 years ago | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
and I just love the simplicity. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
I like the lines of it and the naivety, really. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
It's got a wonderful light to it, and an innocence as well. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
-Yeah, very stylised. -Very stylised. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
-I like it. -It is, I think, a really sunny, lovely picture. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
Now, what did you pay for it in that auction 20 years ago? | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
It was a few hundred. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:20 | |
I honestly can't remember, but it was a few hundred. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
That's all right. Well, you know, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
her fashionable portraits from the '20s and '30s, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
which are often of very glamorous society women, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
are quite valuable things. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
In fact, they are very valuable things. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
This is much more interesting than them, to me, | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
because it's a wartime thing and it means something. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
She's trying to put a message across. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
But, nonetheless, I can't put it at the 20-30,000 that they are. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
I'm going to put £2-3,00 on this one. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
Oh, wow. Thank you. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
Yeah. I honestly didn't expect that, no. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
Regular viewers of the Roadshow may remember me at Walmer Castle | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
last year when I found the most fantastic collection | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
of Martin Brothers pottery. And here we are, | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
before Arley Hall and you've turned up with this monumental piece | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
of Martin Brothers for me. But how's it come in to your possession? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
Well, my grandfather had a collection of Martinware, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
which has just always been in the family. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
And he lived in Battersea, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
and I think he probably collected it around | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
about the time it was made and produced. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
So, we're talking about the beginning of the 20th century, are we? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
-Yes. -So was he a man of means? | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
I wouldn't like to say. He died before I was born, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
but I think he must have had some money | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
to be able to buy such things. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
Well, it would suggest, at that time, if he was a businessman, | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
if he was a professional man, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
he would have probably been going up to Holborn, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
to the premises where they used to retail the wares. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
But look at it, What a fantastic piece of work for them. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
Beautifully pottered. This is all characteristic. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
You know, the carving, the scrolls, the faces, these grotesques... | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
We do have one slight issue, do we not? | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
We certainly do. Yes. Yes. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:11 | |
Let's just have a quick look round the other side, | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
and what was once a fairly stunning and spectacular, perfect vase | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
is now a rather stunning and spectacular...damaged vase. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:23 | |
What happened here? | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
The Martinware pottery was packed up during the war, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
and they had a cellar, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
and I was told that it was damaged by a bomb. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
Was this the only one that met with damage? | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
That's the only one that was damaged. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
Well, out of a collection, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
to have only one and the rest survive is no bad thing. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
But it is a shame, and obviously, it IS going to impact on it. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
Had the Luftwaffe not dropped a bomb so perfectly placed | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
to take away the foot on your vase, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
you would have been looking in its perfect order | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
somewhere in the region of £8,000-10,000. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Oh, good heavens. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
Oh, wow! That is just amazing. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
But what did they cost you? | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
Where is that value now? | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
Well, it's not so bad. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
Because Martin Brothers collectors are tolerant and I still think, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
despite all of this, despite that loss, despite that damage, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:20 | |
it's worth about £3,000 in today's market. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
My goodness. But all the damage? | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
-With all the damage. -That's just amazing. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
Whenever I think of images of Victorian streets, shops, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:34 | |
I think of very visual and colourful enamel signs like this. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:40 | |
So where did you get this sign? | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
This sign was bought while on holiday in Cornwall with my parents, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
-when I was a child. -You bought a few, did you, as a family? | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
Yes, it's been in a collection over the years. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
-Right. -There was about four that we bought while we were on holiday. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
Has the collection grown? | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
Yeah. There's about 35, 40 that we've got now. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
Fantastic. And of course they were originally made for use outside. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
And I think we can see that there's rusting, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
there's wear where somebody has obviously hammered them | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
onto a wall, and, I mean, they do fake them now. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
So, as far as an old one's concerned, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
you should be looking for this dark rust staining | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
and lots of wear and tear. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
What caught my eye with this one is, obviously, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
the central beautiful Greek maiden. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
And, of course, she's chiselling the title of the sign - | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
"There's No Tea like Phillips's" - | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
with a mallet, but what the enamel designers have done, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:35 | |
they've taken an image, really, from a Victorian painting. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
These do evoke a past age like nothing else. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
Their heyday was 1870 through to the 1950s, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
and, of course, with modern advertising, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
the life of these very expensive signs was soon over. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:56 | |
The market for these has really grown. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
This is a very good example. Super state. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
I would suspect at auction it's going to make around £2,500. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
Really? | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
Thank you. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:11 | |
Now, you know, for those people who watch this programme regularly, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
and I am told that there ARE people | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
-who watch this programme fairly regularly... -Yes. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
..they will know that when they look at a brooch like that, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:26 | |
that it's Art Deco. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
Which would mean it was probably made in the 1920s or '30s. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
Now, have you had this brooch in your family since the 1920s or '30s? | 0:53:33 | 0:53:38 | |
No, I've had it since the '50s. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
I inherited it from my mother-in-law. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
-Right. -And she bought it from Robb's the jewellers in Pitlochry. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
-Right. -And Mr Robb told her... | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
that the emeralds with the diamonds round it | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
was originally drop earrings for the Seventh Duchess of Atholl. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
And that, of course, is a tremendous provenance | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
-and pedigree, because that's Blair Castle... -Blair Castle. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
..in Perthshire, which is located | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
what, seven, eight miles away from Pitlochry? | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
-Yes. -For the benefit of everybody watching, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
let me show you, YOU know this, but in classic Deco fashion, | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
it's not just one component, it's two, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
and if you turn it over, there are a pair of clips at the back. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
So, what you do, you pull back the prong fitting like that... | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
you pull out the clip like that... | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
..and then you can wear one... | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
-As a clip. -..as a clip on each side of your little jacket. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
-I've worn it once like that. -Have you? | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
If I just put that back into place again, and close it up, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:53 | |
let's talk about what it's set in. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
-White metal. Platinum. -Yes. -You know that. -Yes. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
Look at those stones! What fantastic colour they are. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:05 | |
-What you know about those? -I know they're emeralds. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
-They are. -But I don't know much more. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
-All right, well, shall I tell you something about them? -Yes. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
The best ones in the world come from Colombia. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
-Yes. -They are of that genre. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
-Yes. -They are set in borders of diamonds | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
in pear-shaped frames and larger diamonds | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
going round the outside. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
Each of the stones weighs over - in my assessment - two carats. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:39 | |
So there's probably two carats, two carats...four carats. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:45 | |
-Might be a bit more than that, but I'm being a bit careful here. -Yes. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
And the diamond frames. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
-Oh, that's good. -Everybody likes things like this. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
And everybody likes a bit of colour like that, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
because they are really, really super-duper, | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
top-of-the-range stones. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
What do I think they're worth? | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
Well, I think your brooch | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
is probably worth something in the region... | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
of £40,000 today. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
That's nice. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
What are you going to do with it, now? | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
I'm going to do exactly what I've done with it the past few years. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
Keep it, wear it when I go to something nice, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
and eventually, my daughter behind me will inherit it. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
It really is a truly splendid Deco brooch, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:36 | |
of high quality, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
-it's a classy piece and I congratulate you. -Thank you. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
What a gorgeous brooch. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
I wouldn't mind being that daughter who is going to inherit it. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
Walking around with a £40,000 brooch? Lucky girl! | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
Our day here is drawing to a close. Our crowds are leaving. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
We've been very glad to have them. And from the whole Roadshow team | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
here at Arley Hall, until next time, bye-bye. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 |