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Over the years on "Flog It!"

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we've helped you sell many thousands of your antiques and collectibles

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and the variety of items that turn up on our valuation days

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have been absolutely astonishing.

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As some of you know, it's not easy to put a value on them all.

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The market for Troika does go up and down a bit.

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But you never know, it's a funny subject.

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The truthful answer is, I haven't got the first idea what it's worth.

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But there are some things that we know

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will always find a ready market and here's where YOU can find out more -

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this is Trade Secrets.

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When we think of antiques,

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the 20th century doesn't instantly spring to mind.

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Most people define antique as

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"something that's around 100 years old."

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But increasingly, we're becoming more aware

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and we're beginning to prize items that date from the modern era.

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We see a great deal of them at our "Flog It!" valuation days.

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So, today, we're going to be exploring

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what makes a 20th century design classic

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and what names and styles you should be looking out for.

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Coming up - some iconic 20th century designs.

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Well, aren't these charming little Steiff toys here you've got?

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Some 1970s ceramics...

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I've never seen one as big as that.

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I bet you haven't(!)

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Anita shows us some prized Art Nouveau from her home turf.

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This little cabinet is quite, quite wonderful.

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And we hear how much design classics can make at auction.

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I'll finish at 3,400.

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ALL: YEAH!

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The 20th century saw some high-profile movements

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in art and design.

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It started with Arts and Crafts at the turn of that century.

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It went onto Art Deco of the '20s and '30s,

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to post-war industrial design of the '50s

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and the groovy psychedelia of the 1960s.

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For the most part, the modern era was all about mass-production,

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which means modern collectibles aren't valued for their rarity.

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So, what is it we like about them

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so much and what constitutes a design classic?

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If you look at something and you think,

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"Gosh, that reminds me of the '30s,"

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or the '50s, or even the '70s - that's probably the sort of thing

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you want to be buying to put away for the future.

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Posters, travel posters, or advertising posters.

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They can be wonderfully designed and that's my tip.

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Aim for a late 20th century artefact, which was ahead of its day

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in design, that was utilising late 20th century,

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ultra-modern materials

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and that will produce a super collectible for the future.

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We see all manner of modern designs in our valuation days.

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So here is our choice of the best.

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We all have our favourite names.

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And mine is an absolute classic from the Newlyn School,

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the legendary John Pearson.

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I can feel my heartbeat really racing right now.

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I'm ever so excited because I know a lot about Newlyn copper

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but I've only had the privilege of holding two or three items

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made by one of the masters of the movement

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and that's John Pearson.

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When I first saw this...

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Look at that, signed "John Pearson, 1891".

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The Newlyn School started for...

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basically fisherman that were out of work.

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If it was rough and they couldn't go out in their boats,

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then somebody was teaching them how to work with copper.

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So it gave an extra string to their bow and became a very important part

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of the Arts and Crafts movement and Pearson was the main man.

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He taught the local fishermen handicrafts.

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-Of course, copper - ready and available from the mines.

-Mm.

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And they repaired the fishing boats with sheets of copper.

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So he thought, "Right, OK, I'll carve some moulds...

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"They can hand-hammer sheets of copper on the moulds

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"and make lots of things."

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And that's called "repousse" work.

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It doesn't get better than this, it really doesn't.

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-And it's not been out of your family?

-No.

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-No-one's got their hands on it at all?

-No.

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-So this is really fresh to the market.

-Yes.

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This is cracking provenance, do you know that?

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I think it might be that Pearson's work

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doesn't come on the market much

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because people that have that sort of thing don't want to sell it

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because it is so gorgeously tactile and just visually splendid.

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-Let's put a value on it.

-Uh-huh.

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-And I'm going to say £400-£800.

-Right.

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-That's lovely to know.

-Ever so excited.

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Thank you so much for putting a big smile on my face and possibly,

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not just making my day, but maybe my year.

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-Wow.

-Because I've handled a piece of John Pearson.

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And I can start at £460.

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-480, I'll take.

-It's gone, isn't it?

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460? 480? 500?

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550? 600?

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650? 700, would you like?

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700. 750?

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800? 850?

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900?

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Go on, one more - squeeze it.

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At 850, selling then at 850.

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Sold!

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£850!

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-That's good, yeah.

-Brilliant.

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-Ever so pleased.

-Yeah.

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Paul knows his Newlyn School very well.

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But I think it shows just how buoyant that market is.

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'The right price for that piece and that maker.

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'Pearson is certainly a name to look out for.'

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Modern classics come in all sorts of guises.

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And some can take you right back to childhood.

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Like some charming toys that Anita Manning spotted.

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Ben, "Flog It!" is so much fun!

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Where did you get these?

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Well, these I would have bought in the early 1970s,

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when my daughter was small.

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-Mm-hm.

-She would have been about six or seven at the time.

-Yeah.

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It came from a London toy shop in Regent Street,

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one of the most famous toy shops in London.

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Well, they're absolutely wonderful.

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As you know, they're Pelham Puppets.

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Pelham Puppets, I would say, were design classics.

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They were so, so popular - every child would have them.

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These were made in Wiltshire

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and the company was started by Robert Pelham in 1947.

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Round about '53, they acquired the rights to make Disney characters.

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-You bought them for your daughter?

-Yes.

-Did she play with them?

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Not so very much.

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You need a certain dexterity to...get the marionette

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to perform as you would like it.

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-Uh-huh.

-And that's a struggle for a six- or seven-year-old.

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Yeah, uh-huh. Well, that's possibly the reason that they're in

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such good condition now.

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With Pelham Puppets, it's important that they are in good condition.

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It's important that the paintwork isn't chipped,

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it's important that the string isn't broken

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and it's very important that you have the original box.

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-And the box as well.

-The boxes, wonderful to have the boxes.

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Having your box with a Pelham Puppet will add to its market value.

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-In fact, I think I can still see a price tag.

-You can.

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Well, the dragon's a rarer one than, say for example,

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your little Dutch maid.

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Dragon's wonderful and so is the giant.

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When we're looking to buy Pelham Puppets,

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we're looking for the rarer ones.

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And, if you manage to get the Scottie dog, go for it,

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because that's very rare and it will fetch you a lot of money.

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Because of the condition, they will do well.

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-But they're still not going to make you a fortune.

-No.

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-I don't think I expected that.

-No.

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-In auction, I would put them in the one lot.

-Yes.

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And I would put the price estimate between £50-£80.

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-Would you be happy to sell them at that?

-That sounds nice.

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With a reserve price of £45.

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-This is it, then.

-We move on to the Pelham Puppets.

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There we are for you - three in the lot.

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-I'm bid 50 here, at £50 I'm bid.

-A good start.

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At £50, my bidder here.

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My bidder here, then, at £50 and make no mistake at 50.

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-Sold.

-Sold - straight in, straight out.

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-Straight in, straight out.

-Yes.

-Someone's got a bargain.

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They did indeed get a bargain.

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But, as with all antiques, rarity is the key,

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so keep your eyes peeled for that Scottie dog.

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MUSIC OVER CONVERSATION

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When it comes to classic toys,

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there's one name that stands out above all others.

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If you're going to talk about icons of the 20th century,

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then THE iconic piece

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of teddy bear toys is Steiff.

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Aren't these charming, little Steiff toys here you've got?

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-I think they're very special.

-Aren't they? They're really, really lovely.

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Lovely features on them.

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-Can you tell me about them?

-I got the first one in 1958 or 1959.

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Well, Steiff is such an important name in antiques,

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not just in the world of teddy bears - we've all heard of him -

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but also, I think, a significant name in 20th century design.

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Let's not forget, in 1902, this lady - in a male-dominated world -

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was the pioneer of teddy bears

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and even invented the first teddy bears with articulated limbs.

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And it looks like you've really preserved them.

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So you must have cherished them at the time?

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Yeah, they weren't played with, really,

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cos I wanted to leave the badges on them.

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Yes, and you've done well with that, haven't you?

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The badges are all there, that one's called Mopsy.

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There's another one there.

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I think that little one's my favourite.

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Lovely, characterful face.

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When I first saw those Steiff figures, I thought

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the squirrel looked just like Adam.

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So, why have you come to decide to sell them now?

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Well, I've got six great-nephews and nieces

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and you can't make three go six.

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Well, not without ruining them.

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There are loads of Steiff toys and bears

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that are very, very sought-after.

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The early ones, of course, are the rarest

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and therefore the most valuable.

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I think, a couple of years ago,

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a harlequin example made almost £50,000,

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which is a lot of money for any teddy bear, surely.

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Have you any idea what they might be worth at all?

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Well, I would hope that they would be at least £25 each

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but maybe that's too much.

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No, I think they're worth £20 or £30 each,

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I think you've got it just about right.

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-Shall we put a bottom reserve of £60 on them?

-I think so, yes.

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I think so, they must be worth £20 each.

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They've got to be.

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Lot number 360 is the Steiff plush dog "Mopsy" and "Noggy"

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and the bear, who apparently is un-named,

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which I think's rather sad.

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-ADAM:

-Aw.

-There we go, I'm bid £60 on the book to start.

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At 60, 70, 80. 90, 100?

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110, 120. 130, 140.

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150, 160, 170, 180.

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190, 200.

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210, 220.

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-Gosh.

-Any more?

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240. 250.

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-260.

-Going up.

-Yes, it is.

-"Come and buy me."

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290.

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-300.

-That's about a £100 little animal now, that's good.

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Any more at all?

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At £310, there's the bid and they sell, then,

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at £310 and done, thank you.

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-You've got to be happy with that result?

-I'm delighted, delighted.

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Great result, isn't it?

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Those three animals made a cracking price at auction.

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This was a case, I think, of auction fever.

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They were quite common examples, they were late 1950s,

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they're not that rare or valuable, so two people got carried away

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and that's when you end up with a cracking result.

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They really made the money they did, simply and solely,

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because of the calibre of the auctioneer.

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Yes, Philip, that must be the reason.

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Nothing to do with Steiff being a 20th-century icon?

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Some design classics have been sold on the show

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so many times before, you can make a close estimation of their value.

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You could say they've got a book price.

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But that doesn't mean to say a collector won't get carried away

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and bid well over the top in an auction room -

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we've seen it time and time again.

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So, don't disregard pieces where you think the price is set.

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The more we see of a design classic, the easier it is to value.

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But sometimes our experts are completely taken by surprise.

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James Lewis certainly was when he valued a fabulous 1930s tea set.

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Lynette, Robin, if you're going to bring a tea service,

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you can't bring anything better than this.

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I mean, what a stylish set. Where have you had it?

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It's in my mum's cupboard in our house.

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-In the cupboard?

-Yeah.

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I was young, goodness me, wasn't I young(?)

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Oh, my goodness. Not only did the Shelley look in good condition,

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even I looked in good condition(!)

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-I don't know if you know much about Shelley?

-No.

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No, they were based in Foley, in Staffordshire.

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And they started around 1925.

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They used to be called Wileman & Co

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and then they became Shelley in 1925.

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By 1930, they were making these vibrant, bright, Art Deco tea-ware.

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And of all the shapes of cup you could have, this is the best -

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known as Vogue.

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The Vogue is the very best,

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it's the triangular shape with a solid triangular handle.

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What made that so sought-after was the rare pattern.

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Typical of Art Deco - angular lines, bright colours.

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They really sacrifice everything that's practical just for style.

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I mean, look at that cup.

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How can you hold a heavy cup of tea with that? It's not easy, is it?

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No, it wouldn't be.

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It really was an example of design over practicality.

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Because you can't grip it.

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I mean, you can't grip it when it's empty,

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let alone when it's full of hot tea.

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I think, in a way, that may well be why this

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has survived in such good condition. What do you think it's worth?

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I'd like to think it was over 100-and-something.

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I think...

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-that's a little cheap.

-A little cheap?

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Yeah, how about 200-300?

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-That'd be OK as well.

-300-400? 400-500?

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-Now you're just winding me up.

-I am, 400-600.

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-No way?

-Yeah, I think so.

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It is really good. It is a great design, it is a great set.

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It should be worth £40 per cup/saucer/plate.

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But it is such a sought-after design.

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You can imagine Poirot...

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or Miss Marple, there on the Orient Express,

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drinking out of a bit of Shelley.

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Flapper girls dancing in the background, all that sort of thing -

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it's classic Art Deco.

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178.

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It's a Shelley blue-and-white, jazz patterns tea-ware.

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There are 40 pieces.

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-£800? I'm bid 800.

-Yes.

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-My God.

-900?

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950?

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1,000?

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-Yes, come on.

-And 50?

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1,150?

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1,200?

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1,250?

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-1,300?

-It's going to do it.

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-It's going to do it.

-1,350?

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1,400?

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It was strange, as the Shelley went up...

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..the realisation that I'd made a complete howler started to come...

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more and more alive by every bid.

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Thinking, "Gosh, when's this going to stop?"

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It's on the phone at 1,950.

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-MAN: Yes.

-At 2,000.

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They're stuck in like pit bull terriers, aren't they?

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At 3,000.

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-3,100?

-MAN: Yep.

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3,200? 3,300?

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3,400?

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Any advance on 3,400? The bid's on my right, on the phone, at 3,400.

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ALL: YES!

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-Brilliant.

-God, I'm boiling.

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I'm sweating here.

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How tense was that? £3,400!

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It's amazing!

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'£3,400 was an incredible price for it.'

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I'd like to be able to say,

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"Well, of course, I knew it was going to do that."

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I hadn't got a clue.

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It was just a complete...

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I got it wrong.

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All it takes is two bidders fighting over an item of quality

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and the sky is the limit.

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They get stuck in and they want to go home with that prized trophy

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to show off to all of their friends.

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Whether you're buying or selling, if Pelham Puppets is your thing,

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look out for the rare ones.

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Keep them in good condition and whatever you do,

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don't throw away the box.

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If you want to check that your bear is a Steiff,

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look for that trademark button in the left ear,

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or a chest tag to be sure.

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If you collect Newlyn copper, don't be tempted to polish it -

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it'll affect the design and the price.

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And remember, an estimate is just an estimate.

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Of all the 20th-century designs that pass through our auction rooms...

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my favourite has to be Art Deco.

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The movement began in Paris in the early 20th century.

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But it wasn't until the end of World War I that it really took off.

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Fuelled by the post-war spirit of jazz, speed, travel and prosperity.

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The popularity of travel meant influences from outside Europe

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began to appear in all forms of design.

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Between the two wars, new buildings appeared in the Art Deco style,

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not only in Europe, but all over the world.

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A famous example in Britain is the Burgh Island Hotel in Devon.

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It was an iconic bolthole for the rich and the famous in the 1930s.

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And the setting for some of Agatha Christie's mysteries.

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Take a look at this!

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It absolutely oozes nostalgia.

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Could you imagine just dining here in the evening?

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Oh, gosh.

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Take a look at these radiators, they run the length of this wall.

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Heavy-duty cast iron - Art Deco style.

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The Art Deco style influenced everything

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from furniture to ornaments,

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from ceramics to jewellery - even telephones.

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It was all the rage and everyone wanted to be part of it.

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Names like Clarice Cliff and Shelley have come to epitomise this period

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with their bold colours and geometric designs,

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which replaced the flowing, organic shapes of its predecessor -

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Art Nouveau.

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The popularity of Art Deco waned after the Second World War

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but today the market is as strong as it ever was,

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-as the Shelley tea set proved...

-I'll finish at 3,400.

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..the highest price

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ever fetched by an example of Art Deco on "Flog It!".

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"Flog It!" expert Anita Manning is a regular on the show and she's

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a great favourite with all of you who turn up at our valuation days.

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She's a Glasgow girl, born and bred, and a bit of a pioneer -

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one of the first female auctioneers in Scotland.

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She's very proud of her fellow Scots' achievements as well

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and there's one person in particular who's left an indelible impression

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on her, as well as Glasgow itself.

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And that person is the designer who came to epitomise

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Art Nouveau in the UK - Charles Rennie Mackintosh.

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Art Nouveau was part of an artistic revolution...

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that broke away from the over-fussy Victorian designs

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at the turn of the 20th century.

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Its main inspiration was nature.

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Working-class boy Mackintosh...

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was one of the most successful Art Nouveau architects.

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His buildings form a central part of Glasgow's cityscape today,

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including its famous School of Art -

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a stone's throw from Mackintosh House.

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This strange-looking building behind me is called the Mackintosh House.

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It holds reconstructions of rooms where Charles Rennie Mackintosh

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and his wife, and fellow artist, Margo Macdonald lived.

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I live just round the corner and I visit this house regularly.

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I love Charles Rennie Mackintosh's work.

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He was a bit of a rebel and that appeals to me

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because I'm a bit of a rebel too.

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The story behind the Mackintosh House is incredible.

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In the early 1960s, the Victorian terraced villa

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that the Mackintoshs lived in had to be demolished.

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But a decision was made to build this structure

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and to recreate the interiors of the Mackintosh house

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right here on the university campus,

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as part of the Hunterian Art Gallery.

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The first room that we come to is the dining room,

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with this marvellous stencilled wall,

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with the Glasgow Rose and the honesty leaves.

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But my favourite piece in here is this chair.

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This chair is known as the Argyle Chair

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and it is an iconic piece of Charles Rennie Mackintosh furniture.

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It was one of the first high-back chairs to be made

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and we can it stretching

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from the rectangular at the base here

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and it comes up...

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into a circle at the top.

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I just love these little, perfect details in Mackintosh's design.

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In the back crest we see -

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he's referring again to Art Nouveau -

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a stylised bird here.

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Now, each of these pieces...

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the rectilinear

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and the curvilinear pieces slot together like a big jigsaw puzzle.

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And again we're looking at the craftsmanship

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and the skill in joinery in Glasgow at that time.

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Quite wonderful chair - the Argyle Chair.

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This drawing room studio is L-shaped,

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with light streaming from a south-facing window.

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The overall effect is white, with white-painted furniture

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and occasional pieces of dark oak...

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for contrast and the effect is stunning!

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Mackintosh believed that his interior should be

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a unified work of art, bringing harmony to the whole room,

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where the fittings, the furniture

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and the decoration was part of the WHOLE decorative scheme.

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This is one of a pair of cabinets

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that was exhibited in the Turin Exhibition of 1902.

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But if we look inside...

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The doors open to reveal these wonderful decorative panels.

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The panels are lined in a silvered metal.

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In that metal we have these wonderful elongated female figures

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in stained glass.

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The female figures are holding one of the most iconic

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of all Glasgow's style symbols - the Glasgow Rose.

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Now, this theme is repeated in these little details here -

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little naturalistic details with pink stained glass.

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This little cabinet is quite, quite wonderful.

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The overall scheme is repeated in the bedroom

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and in these white-painted wardrobes

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we have these wonderful, carved lovebirds.

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This is reflecting Charles Rennie Mackintosh's passion for nature

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and his interest in Art Nouveau symbols.

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Now, why did Charles Rennie Mackintosh

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paint his furniture white?

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What he wanted to do was

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to reduce all the distracting features...

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of the object...

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and bring it to its purest, sculptural form.

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Charles Rennie Mackintosh was an innovator, and a creative genius.

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Every year, hundreds of thousands of people come to Glasgow

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to look at his work and I am very proud of him.

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If you're lucky enough to come across

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an overlooked piece of Mackintosh, you will recognise it straightaway.

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All great names and designers will have their imitators

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and devotees of the work of Charles Rennie Mackintosh

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always get slightly upset when they come across a copy of his style -

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the so-called "Mockingtosh".

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But sometimes imitations can be of value, as Nick Hall explains.

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Now...if you're lucky enough to be invited out to dinner

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by your local aristo in your local stately home,

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then you're going to be

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subjected to some fine dining in an exquisite, sumptuous setting

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like this one laid out behind me.

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You're going to want to wear something appropriate.

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A bit of bling, something that shines and sparkles

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and dazzles your fellow dinner guests.

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So, you're going to need a piece of jewellery.

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Now, there's a fine little selection of jewellery

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set out on this little table next to me here.

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Now, what I'm going to talk about is buying on a budget,

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creating that look

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but without spending thousands and thousands of pounds.

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Now, on here,

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you've got an assortment of five pieces of costume jewellery,

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dating from 1930 to about 1960.

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All classic, early, mid-20th-century design pieces.

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Now, four of the five

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are pieces of good quality costume jewellery.

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And worth probably £50 each, but one of them

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is actually an exquisite piece of gem-set jewellery,

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worth probably £5,000-6,000.

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Now, if you're looking at those, thinking,

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"Well, I can't tell the difference" -

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fantastic, because that's the whole point of the exercise.

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Nor will anyone else that you're sat with.

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Unless, of course, they're an auctioneer or a jeweller, then you're stuffed.

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So...which one is it?

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Well, you got this wonderful little drop-piece here

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and this Art Deco design here.

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You've got this piece here that shakes and shivers.

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You've got this Canadian maple leaf here and this floral brooch.

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Well, I can tell you, that the one piece...

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Go on, have a guess.

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Go on, which one do you think?

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It's that one.

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Now, this here was made in England, probably around 1950.

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It's absolutely, beautifully made of the finest white gold.

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Smothered in the finest cut diamonds.

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And then you've got this amazing cabochon emerald

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of the finest green, intense colour.

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But to the uninitiated,

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it looks no different to the other pieces of costume jewellery.

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So, top tip here, if you buy fine quality,

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mid-20th century costume jewellery, you can get away with it

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and you won't disrupt your bank balance.

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The clean lines and the organic curves

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of the modern classic design still hold huge appeal today.

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I hope we've equipped you with enough knowledge to seek out

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the best from this design period.

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Well, that's it for today's Trade Secrets,

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so, goodbye and good luck.

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