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Shropshire is a feast of magnificent landscapes and architectural splendour.

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Behind me is one classic example,

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the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct designed by Thomas Telford

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in the early 19th century.

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It's now a World Heritage Site.

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I wonder what other items of heritage we can find

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at our valuation day in this magnificent county. Welcome to Flog It!

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This 11-mile stretch of canal straddles the three counties

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of Wrexham, Denbighshire and Shropshire.

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The aqueduct itself towers 126 feet above the riverbed

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and was revolutionary in its use of an iron trough

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which allowed the engineers to create what remains the highest navigable aqueduct in the world.

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Let's hope our valuations today reach as enviable heights!

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So from one Grade I listed site to another.

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Weston Park, this magnificent 17th-century country house

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lies in a 1,000-acre wooded parkland designed by Capability Brown.

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So whether you're inside or outside,

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there's always historical treasures to look at,

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not least all the antiques and collectables brought in by this queue of people

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for our experts to forage through.

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Who knows what we'll find?

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Unearthing the treasures today are our very own Grade I listed experts.

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Michael Baggott.

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No prizes for guessing what this is!

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And Clare Rawle,

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who will be delving through hundreds of bags and boxes.

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So as Weston Park fills up with the Flog It! faithful,

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here's a question.

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Which one of these items will make the most in today's sale?

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Will it be this hunting scene painting by Herbert St John?

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A pair of inkwells made from cow hooves?

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Or this silver cup?

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Let's make a start and find out what Michael Baggott has found in the dining room.

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Thelma, Jess, thank you for bringing this adorable little figure!

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What can you tell me about it?

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She's very ugly!

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She's phenomenally ugly!

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Which will have a relevance later. I will disclose to you.

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But what else? Is it something that's been in the family?

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Yes, it belonged to my grandmother.

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It belonged to your grandmother, not your grandfather?

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I don't know.

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The reason I ask

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is that this is obviously, we can see by the colouration,

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it's a Doulton figure. It's Doulton stoneware.

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But we've got the all-important suffragette link to it.

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We've got "Votes for Women".

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There are two sorts of suffragette memorabilia.

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For and against.

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Now, if you were against, you would lampoon the suffragettes.

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Which is why you make her this grotesque harridan.

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So rather than being "Votes for women",

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it's "Votes for women?"

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So this is lampooning it. So it would be quite odd

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if it actually belonged to your grandmother.

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But it would make more sense if it started off life with your grandfather

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if he held the opinion, as did many people in those unenlightened days,

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that votes for women would be a bad thing.

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It's lovely that it's Doulton. We've got all the marks on the base that we could possibly wish for.

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We've got the Doulton Lambeth factory mark,

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and various decorators' marks and modellers' marks.

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-It is, in fact, an inkwell.

-Right.

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-But it's an inkwell in the sense that I don't think anyone ever used it.

-No.

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It's a novelty. It wasn't bought as a practical day-to-day piece.

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It's just something you have on your desk, even in the Victorian period,

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for amusement.

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I say Victorian, this could be around 1900, 1905 in date,

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when suffrage was building up, and that's when the feeling against it grew as well.

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And you can tell that for such a large factory as Doulton,

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a provenance factory,

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to actually make items that are against it,

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you can sense the feeling, and it gives you an insight into the attitudes of that period.

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Do you know what the downside to it is?

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-There's a chip at the back.

-A chip at the back.

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Chips with fish are good. Chips with ceramics are never good.

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-Any idea, any thoughts of what the value might be?

-No, none at all.

-£5?

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-A little bit more, perhaps.

-£10? £10 will buy chips.

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No, I think let's be sensible and put a broad estimate on it.

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-Let's put a reserve of £250.

-Really?!

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And let's put an estimate of 300 to £500 on it.

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I'd have guessed about 50 quid or something like that.

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And I would have said about 50.

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-I think it should make £250 all day long.

-Lovely.

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I really do. Thank you so much for bringing it in.

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What an interesting bit of social history

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tied up in this little piece of ceramic.

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Now from the same period, Clare Rawle has come across a very personal collection

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which belongs to Linda, who's brought her friend Anne along.

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Hi, Linda and Anne.

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It's great to see you today. A lovely collection here.

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Now, this relates mainly to your grandfather in the First World War,

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and it's obviously stayed in the family.

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-This is him, this is your grandfather.

-It is, yeah.

-OK.

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And obviously we have other things relating to your father as well.

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-So it's a really nice piece of potted family history.

-It is, yes.

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And a lovely collection of a World War I trio of medals.

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And there is correspondence and photographs.

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So tell me a little bit about it.

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Where it's been for the last few years.

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Well, my father's kept these in the cupboard

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for absolutely donkey's years.

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I just know that the book and the cigarette case

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must have saved his life because that's where the bullet went through.

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This is his little Bible, the New Testament,

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and he's been shot, the bullet's gone right through.

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There's the little...

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Jesus in the middle there, yes.

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That went through and saved him.

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And then, obviously, his cigarette case.

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That's gone with the bullet

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and stopped, obviously, and saved his life.

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And obviously that's why I'm here.

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-Yes. Because if that hadn't stopped, I wouldn't be speaking to you now!

-That's correct.

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Smoking isn't always bad for you, is it?

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And his papers to say he'd been shot and sent home.

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Then I think he went into the Home Guard.

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-So it's just bits...

-Before he got patched up and sent off again.

-That's correct.

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So you feel it's time they came out of the cupboard.

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Yes, I'd like somebody to have them that would appreciate them

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and be really interested in where they come from and that.

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To collectors, what they love, obviously, are the medals.

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But even more so, it's all the history that goes with it.

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And also the associated family things which stretch into the second war.

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-Yes.

-Your father's things.

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And to a collector, that's brilliant, such a piece of history.

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And it adds a lot of value.

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This is the traditional trio.

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We've got a '14/'15 star,

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war medal, victory medal.

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They're the standard ones issued.

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And you've got the discharge papers

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and all his papers when he came back from France, having been wounded.

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But amazingly not killed.

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And you hear about these things on films, don't you?

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And here's the proof. It's quite difficult to value

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because there is a fairly sort of not huge value on it.

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But if somebody's caught up by the story of his surviving the war and all the papers,

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I can see it selling quite well.

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So I think, sensibly,

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-put it in at about 150, maybe 200.

-OK.

-If that's OK.

-Yeah.

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Perhaps pitch the reserve just under the 150.

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-Usually about 140.

-OK.

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I think it'll sell well, but you might as well make it attractive to people.

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-It's a lovely lot and I think it will do really well.

-Lovely.

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-I look forward to the sale. Great. Thanks for coming in.

-Thank you.

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-Sue, a hunting painting.

-Yep.

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Very attractive and actually in good surroundings here

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with all the other wonderful paintings.

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Tell me a bit about it.

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The family's always been connected with hunting.

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And I think it's my great-great-grandfather.

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-This is actually your great-great-grandfather?

-Yes.

-Wow.

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It hung on my bedroom wall when I was younger.

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That's my first memories of it, really.

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-Presumably it's not hanging on a wall any longer.

-No.

-It's lost its frame.

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-It's never been framed.

-Really?

-I never remember it having a frame.

-Right.

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It's very much of its time.

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It's a late 19th-century oil on canvas.

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Conveniently, the artist has signed his name at the bottom here.

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He is a listed artist. There we are. Herbert St John Jones.

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-He was known for painting this type of scene. He painted hunting scenes, basically.

-Right.

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It's also nicely titled this side,

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"The Cheshire Hunt."

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It has had a slightly tough life.

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-Yes, it has, yes.

-We have an area of damage here.

-And flecks of paint on it, as well.

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-Yes, so it does need a bit of work.

-Yes.

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If we look at the back of the picture,

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we have all the details here.

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There we are. It's the north Cheshire hunt, 1899.

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And it's a mare called Luxury.

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It says, "This celebrated mare was a fine hunter

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"but very vicious. She would kill a man, but wouldn't hurt a hound."

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So a great hunter, because you know what happened if you hit a hound.

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-You were sent home.

-That's right.

-Not let out again for a while.

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-And this is your great-grandfather, Fred Gosden.

-Yes.

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And he was the only one to ride her out hunting.

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-Obviously he had a feel for her.

-Yes.

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Also it mentions that "The hound is the noted Cheshire Trimbush."

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So presumably that's the hound there.

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If you look back through the stud books, you'll find it.

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So a nice painting and nicely documented and all the rest of it.

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He is an artist that can make a lot of money

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but I think because of the damage

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-we're probably looking at about 150 to 250.

-Right.

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-Is that OK?

-That's fine.

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It would be sensible to put a reserve on it.

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-Perhaps just pitch it at 130.

-Yes, that's fine.

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-Just under lower estimate. Fixed reserve, though.

-That's fine.

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It's a good area for it. A very horsey area.

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-We'll see how it gets on.

-Lovely. Thank you.

-Thank you.

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We're mid-way through our day and our experts have been working flat-out.

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It's time we went to the auction room for the first time.

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Here's a quick recap of what we're taking.

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Will Thelma's Royal Doulton figure

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made to ridicule the suffragette movement get the bidders' vote?

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Linda's war memorabilia

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including a cigarette box that helped save her grandfather's life

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should captivate the collectors.

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And will the hunting scene painted by Herbert St John

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hit its target of £250?

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Our auction room today is in Stourbridge,

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just over the Shropshire border in the borough of Dudley.

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I'm hoping there'll be a good turn-out at the auction today.

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Linda and her friend Anne are here to sell that First World War memorabilia.

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You've been in the wars as well, haven't you?

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I have. I hit my head on a cupboard door, broke a blood vessel,

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-and that is the result of that.

-Ooh! I bet that hurt!

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It did a bit, yeah.

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But it's getting better.

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-Good old

-grandad. Fantastic.

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And there's no-one else in the family to pass this on to?

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There isn't, no. I have no children.

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I would love it to go to somebody who would really look after it, appreciate it,

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and they will find a value in owning something like that.

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What a hero, like many of his generation.

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Let's put it to the test. Here it goes.

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Where are you going to start me on these?

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£170 takes the other bidders out. At £170.

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And so it should. 180 anywhere else in the room?

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At £170 maiden bid on a commission.

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Do I see 180 anywhere else?

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At £170, it'll be first and last.

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Taking all the other bidders out at 170. 180 anyone else?

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-170, then.

-Hammer's going down.

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£170. Straight in and straight out.

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-It would be nice to see who it went to, actually.

-It would.

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Unfortunately, it was a commission bid, so we'll never find the buyer.

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-That's a shame.

-Thank you, Linda, for bringing in such a special piece of history.

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-We all enjoyed listening to that.

-It was a brilliant story.

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And now, from a soldier on the front line

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to a fighter for gender equality.

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I absolutely love this, I really do.

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Why are you selling it? It puts a smile on my face when I see it.

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-Does it?

-That's the beauty of items of art, really.

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-Doesn't do anything for you?

-No.

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-I think this is...

-Really grumpy!

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It's a great little inkwell.

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This is the sort of thing you expect to find in Granny's house.

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It is, if Granny hasn't smashed it when she was given it, in a fit of anger!

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-No, she'd keep it.

-Some did, some didn't, and that's why they're rare.

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And that's why they're sought after.

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That's why it's 300 to £500 and hopefully the top end.

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-Hopefully.

-What will you put the money towards if we get that top end?

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-Probably the grandchildren.

-OK. Fingers crossed.

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It's an auction. Anything can happen, as you know.

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It's hard to put a value on something, but we try our best.

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-Good luck.

-She's a lovely thing, we've had interest in her.

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-Tell me.

-380.

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-£380 cancels all other bids.

-That's an opening maiden bid.

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I go to the room looking for 390.

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£380 on a commission bid.

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390 for your last chance. All done and finished?

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At £380 on commission.

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-Not bad.

-More than I thought.

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Yes. At least more than the reserve, anyway.

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There was a touch of damage.

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-So it was a fair price.

-I think so.

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So the kids are going to get that. The grandchildren. How many?

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-13 altogether.

-What? 13?!

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-How many kids did you have.

-I had two, Jeff had three.

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-Right.

-Between us there's 13.

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What a big family.

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-Christmases must be fun!

-It's a nightmare!

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Sue, are you a horse and hounds type person?

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-Got any dogs? That's a good start.

-No, no dogs.

-Got a horse?

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-No. But hunting has been in the family.

-Right. OK.

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The person in the picture is my great-grandfather.

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-We were talking about that. And you had no idea of the value until the valuation?

-No.

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-Nothing at all.

-It caught your eye.

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This is the kind of thing that has potential in the right area.

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Yes. It's a good scene with the horse jumping.

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There's good hounds in it as well.

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He's a known artist. Everything's written on the back of the picture, everything you need to know.

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It's got provenance. So peace of mind.

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Let's put it to the test. Here we go.

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£270 takes all the other bids.

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Straight in at 270.

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Anyone else in the room? Or is it a maiden bid on commission.

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-At 270. 280 anywhere else?

-Straight in at 270.

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For the oil. Going to finish at 270.

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Wow. Straight in, on commission,

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-at £270.

-I'm pleased with that.

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-That was short and sweet!

-It went quickly, didn't it?

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Excellent. Very good. Thank you, Clare.

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Even though our auction room is packed here today at Stourbridge,

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all of our items have been sold on commission.

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Basically, they were reserved before the sale even started,

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so it just goes to show the importance of those auction catalogues.

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That's our first lots under the hammer, fast and furious.

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While we've been here in the Midlands filming,

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I thought I'd take a trip to the northern tip of Shropshire onto the Welsh borders

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to find out about the country's second-most studied poet after Shakespeare.

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I've just popped in to a family-owned book shop here in Oswestry.

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In the poetry section just here

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they have a collection of books by the First World War poet Wilfred Owen.

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Even now, almost 100 years after his death,

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and the end of the war that he wrote about

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his books still have a resonance with readers today.

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It was here in Oswestry, on the Welsh borders,

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that Wilfred began his life.

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I'm off to visit his birthplace.

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On 18 March 1893,

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Wilfred Edward Salter Owen was born here at Plas Wilmot

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into an educated middle-class family.

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You can just imagine what a wonderful place this must have been

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for a little boy to run around and explore.

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Owen enjoyed his first few years here at Oswestry.

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There's even a blue plaque to remind us of that time.

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Later on in life, he moved around a lot,

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but he always kept a strong sense of place and connection to here,

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wherever he lay his hat.

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Unlike many writers who have grown up in towns,

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Wilfred Owen understood and valued the countryside

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and often referred to his surroundings in his poetry and correspondence.

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Religion was also a powerful influence in Owen's life.

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It was here at Oswestry church that Susan and Tom, Wilfred's evangelical parents, got married.

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And later in turn, young Wilfred was baptised.

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He was raised to speak up for the underdog,

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but not in a militant way.

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The family attended church steadily every Sunday.

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Later on in life, religion played a big part as well

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because a lot of Biblical references were mentioned in his poetry.

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He even considered becoming a priest,

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at one point becoming a lay assistant to the vicar of the Oxfordshire parish of Dunsden.

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It was here that Owen came into contact with many very poor parishioners,

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strengthening his conviction that the less fortunate needed to be given a voice.

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At this time, Owen was also writing poems

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and he began to question the contradiction

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between religion and science.

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His disillusionment with religion,

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coupled with the fact that he got rejected from London University,

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prompted Owen to set off to France to teach English in Bordeaux.

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It was during this time that war broke out

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and the following year, in 1915,

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he volunteered to join the Army.

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Officer training followed basic training

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and eventually, in January 1917, he was posted to the front line

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as second lieutenant and platoon leader to the Manchester Regiment.

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It was his experiences on the front line that prompted Owen to say,

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"My subject is war and the pity of war.

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"The poetry is in the pity.

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"All a poet can do today is warn."

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"Move him into the sun.

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"Gently, its touch awoke him once.

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"At home, whispering of fields unsown.

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"Always it woke him, even in France.

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"Until this morning and this snow.

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"If anything might rouse him now, the kind old sun will know."

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As is the title of this poem,

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it was the sheer futility of war that Owen was angry about

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and it's this emotion and raw imagery that stands out in his poetry,

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some say making it more powerful than the most graphic of war reports.

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Shropshire author and vice-president of the Wilfred Owen Association,

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Helen McPhail, has written extensively about Owen's life.

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Helen, it's rather apt that we're meeting here, beneath Wilfred Owen's plaque.

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How was his poetry received when it was first widely published?

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It was very gradually that they became known by the wider world

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and understood as being written by somebody quite ordinary who'd gone through the war

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and wrote about it as it really was.

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They were considered shocking as they were questioning the war itself and what it did to people.

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How do you think people feel about it today?

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He's become an accepted voice of that period.

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He's very widely read by people who aren't mad keen on poetry but they like what he writes.

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And there's the truth about war that he was writing about.

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That, of course, is always relevant, particularly to the young.

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So it's those that want to know about guns and fighting, they learn the other side of it,

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and those who are interested in language, poetry and what you can do with language,

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which is a weapon in its own right.

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-The pen is mightier than the sword, isn't it?

-Yes.

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Owen experienced trench warfare first-hand.

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He felt compelled to share the horror of what he witnessed

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in a letter to his mother who he was so close to and confided in.

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He wrote...

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"I can see no excuse for deceiving you about these last four days.

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"I have suffered seventh hell.

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"I have not been at the front, I have been in front of it.

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"I held an advanced post, that is, a dug-out in the middle of No Man's Land.

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"We had a march of three miles over shelled road

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"and nearly three along a flooded trench."

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Some have accused him of being cowardly and a pacifist.

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Yet he continued to do his duty and serve his country

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even after being wounded,

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suffering shell-shock and having spent time in hospital.

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And it was during his time at Craiglockhart War Hospital in Edinburgh

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that he met another war-time poet who he deeply admired - Siegfried Sassoon,

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and spurred on by Sassoon and his own doctor,

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Owen wrote some of the best poetry in hospital.

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He had deep compassion for the young victims of war on both sides

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and he wrote vividly about the harsh experiences they all encountered.

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Declared fit for duty, Owen returned to the front line in France

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in September 1918.

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And he soon found himself in charge after his own commander was wounded.

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He had an incredible affinity with soldiers from a poorer background than himself.

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He wasn't the typical public schoolboy-type officer.

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During a counterattack, he raced to capture a machine gun

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in full view of both sides.

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He used it to drive away the enemy.

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For this, he was awarded the Military Cross.

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Just over a month later,

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Wilfred Owen, who was only 25 years old,

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was killed by machine gun fire

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whilst leading his men across the Somme Canal.

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The date was 4 November, 1918.

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Tragically, it was just seven days before the war ended

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that Owen lost his life.

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"I am the enemy you killed, my friend.

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"I knew you in this dark.

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"For so you frowned yesterday through me as you jabbed and killed.

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"I parried, but my hands were low and cold.

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"Let us sleep now."

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What Owen did was ground-breaking.

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He wrote about the unspeakable,

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he vocalised the horror of war.

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Through his poetry, Wilfred Owen has immortalised the experience of a generation

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who sacrificed everything for their country.

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Welcome back to Weston Park.

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This magnificent mansion house was gifted to the nation in 1986.

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The Weston Park Foundation work tirelessly

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to conserve the buildings, the grounds and the fabulous artworks inside,

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including the Gainsboroughs and the Van Dycks.

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I think it's about time we caught up with our experts

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to see what other treasures they can find.

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First up, it's Clare, who has two really strange items.

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-Hi, Ken and Anne.

-Hello.

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It's good to see you here today with your two friends here!

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So tell me a bit about these.

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They originate from my great-grandparents who owned a farm.

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Obviously it was a well-loved cow.

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They mounted two of the hooves. I'm not sure if all four were done,

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but certainly the two.

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They were on a sideboard in my grandmother's house.

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Always polished up and obviously her pride and joy.

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-Yes.

-When she passed on, they were handed down.

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I don't think anybody else in the family wanted them so we've had them in the cupboard ever since.

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But it must have been a good milker.

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And you don't really care for them?

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-No. I think that's a fair point.

-No, not very fond of them, really.

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They're not everyone's choice.

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But it was something that people did.

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Yes, indeed. But not so much with cows, I don't think.

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That's why I thought they were quite fun.

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Obviously horses' hooves, your favourite hunter or what have you,

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they often got turned into ink wells.

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But the nice thing is...

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-If you can find one!

-And her name is on the top of the lids.

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-Yes, Mulberry.

-Mulberry.

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Mulberry, and her dates as well.

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I'm not sure whether that's a good age for a cow.

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It's about 12 years. That's not too bad.

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That's not too bad. She should have had a calf every year

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-if she was a milker, otherwise she wouldn't have been much use.

-OK.

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-You know more than I do.

-You can tell I come from a...

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And, of course, they've been turned into an ink well.

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So if we lift the hinged lid,

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and in this one we've got the little glass well

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which you put the ink in.

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Sadly, in that one it's missing, but it's not the end of the world.

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If somebody wanted to use them as an ink well.

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So I can imagine they'd be looking quite magnificent on someone's desk.

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And there are collectors of all sorts of taxidermy.

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I've always found the horses' hooves sell quite well.

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I think they're going to sell, but not for a huge amount.

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-We're probably looking in the region of 40 to £60.

-Really?

-As much as that?

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I'd have thought maybe the price of a joint of beef we were going to buy.

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Oh, is that what you're going to spend the money on?

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Carve into it and think of Mulberry.

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I don't know whether you want to put a reserve.

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-No.

-No.

-Let them go through and see.

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-I'm sure they'll be OK.

-They might even gallop off into the distance!

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Oh, dear!

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A mammoth bit of silver you've brought in today.

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What can you tell me about it?

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It was presented to my great-grandfather in 1904

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at the Newport agricultural show

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where he was showing Shire horses, as far as I can make out.

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Oh, fantastic.

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There's your grandfather's name engraved on the back, and the date.

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But there's no further names or additions or presentations.

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No, I'm not quite sure why that is.

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Well, it's a splendid cup.

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We've got a set of hallmarks at the side here.

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A very well-known maker to me, even though the mark is only partially struck.

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CS Harris & Sons.

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Charles Stuart Harris.

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-And we've got the hallmarks for London 1903.

-Yep.

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And it's a good-looking cup.

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We've got, in its favour, a very heavy gauge of silver all the way round.

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And this engraving at the front is quite light.

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So if somebody was looking at this as a presentation cup for another event,

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they could quite easily take the engraving out

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-and re-engrave it.

-Yep.

-Rather than buying a new cup.

-Yep.

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But to be honest, the real value of this is actually in its weight.

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-Yes.

-Because silver has shot up in value over the last two years.

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It had been creeping up, and now, it fluctuates on an almost weekly basis.

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-Yes.

-We've weighed it. It's around 42 ounces.

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That's excluding the plinth, of course.

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The ebonised plinth.

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I think at auction we have to pitch it at the right level.

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-Yeah.

-Had you had any thoughts as to the value of it?

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Well, purely on the price of silver at the moment,

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-perhaps 550 to £600.

-Yes.

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I think that's sensible. We have to allow a little bit for the upsy-downsy nature.

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-It might actually be more when we get to the auction.

-Yes.

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If we put a broad estimate of 500 to £700 on it,

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and put a reserve of £500 with maybe a little bit of discretion from the auctioneer,

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-just in case that silver price does go down.

-Yeah.

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But we can always hope that it goes up.

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Any plans for what you'd do with the money?

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A couple of ideas. I'm planning a trip back to America.

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I was there ten years ago and I fancy going back.

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-Fantastic.

-Or I'm going to buy myself some teeth!

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-Teeth?!

-Yeah.

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-I've got no teeth in the top.

-Right.

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-I'm spoiled for choice, really.

-Yes.

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-I suppose going to America with no upper teeth can be something of a disappointment.

-It's not too bad.

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-It's not too bad.

-Well, we'll see.

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I'm sure on the day you'll have the problem of whether to go to the dentist or the travel agent!

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Yes, the travel agent's looking best at the moment.

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-Thank you very much for bringing it in.

-No trouble. Thank you.

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While Michael Baggott ponders the price of silver and teeth,

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Clare's found a real gem.

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Norman and Christine, nice to meet you.

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Norman, I'm guessing this is yours.

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-It is.

-Tell me about it.

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I bought it, I was in the Army

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in 1953 and I was stationed in Tripoli.

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-Right.

-One of the first things I did was buy myself an Omega.

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-I couldn't afford one in this country.

-Right.

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-They were better value out there?

-Oh, yes, far better value.

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And because it was a big cumbersome one, I put it in a drawer

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and that's where it's been ever since.

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It's nice because we have the watch here and all its paperwork.

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-You kept everything together.

-The guarantee.

-And this little tag.

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-Yes.

-So it's all there.

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A rather nice steel case, so you didn't run to a gold one.

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-I always thought it was gold, but it's gold plate?

-It is.

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It's gold-plated on the bezel there.

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You get that nice two-tone effect with it,

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which is quite popular these days.

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Sometimes the gold watches do look a little bit gloomy, for want of a better word.

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So collectors do quite like the steel ones. Obviously make a bit less.

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And when you pick it up and move it round,

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-it's the telltale auto-wind.

-Automatic.

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It's an automatic with the bump wind in it.

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There's a weight in there which just knocks backwards and forwards.

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Did it bother you when you wore it?

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-No, it didn't bother me, no.

-Right.

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-No.

-Some people didn't like the fact you had this weight moving backwards and forwards.

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So it wasn't always a very popular type of watch movement

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because of that.

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What really did bother me was the size of it.

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-A bit clumpy?

-It was a bit. I've got a slim wrist and it's a big dial.

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-Yes. You find you catch it on things?

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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So you've decided it's coming out of the cupboard. It's going to be sold.

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Yes, the wife is getting on to me to do something with it.

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It's your fault, then.

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We knew Flog It! was coming up, so we thought we'd take it there.

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Excellent. Well, it is very collectable.

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-It would be nice if it was in a gold case.

-Yes.

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But Omega is not quite as popular as Rolex, to a lot of people,

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but there is quite a market out there for them.

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So I think it'll sell quite well.

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I think probably we're looking in the region of maybe 130 to 180.

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-How much?

-Yeah. I would suggest putting a reserve of round about the 100 on it,

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as a fixed reserve, if you're happy with that.

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-Oh, yes.

-So if you sell that, what are you going to do?

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-I think I'll take her away for the weekend!

-Ooh!

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It'll cost more than that!

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I don't know. It won't!

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I can see marital strife starting.

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How long did you say you've been married?

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-54 years.

-You're doing well on it, anyway.

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It's obviously kept you young!

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-I hope it does really well for you.

-Thank you.

-Then you can fight about where to go for your weekend!

0:33:490:33:54

-Thank you.

-I'll see you at the auction, then.

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So it's back to the auction for three more lots.

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First up, will the unusual hooves attract a buyer?

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Ken and Anne, it's great to see you.

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These must make you smile - they must have done!

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-No, we go, "Eugh!"

-"Eugh!"

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-Do you smile at them.

-I thought they were great.

-I love it.

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I really do. We've seen a lot of the horse hoof ink wells on the show,

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but I've never seen cow hooves.

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There's something quite hysterical about them!

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I feel sorry for the cow, obviously!

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Well, they have to go, don't they?

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Let's put them under the hammer and see what this lot think.

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Where do you start me on this? £40 for the hooves?

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40, quickly? Thank you. Five, anywhere else?

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-They're going.

-45. And 50. And five.

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And 60. And five?

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£60 front row. 65. And 70? No?

0:34:500:34:53

65. 70 anywhere else?

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At £65 I'm selling the hooves. At £65. Are you sure and done at 65?

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-Hammer's gone down. That's a good price for a pair.

-It is.

0:35:000:35:04

-That's really good.

-Even at today's prices, you should get a nice joint of beef for that.

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And a couple of bottles of wine.

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They're going to buy beef and claret.

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I'll toast her health.

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Got a treat for you now.

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Going under the hammer, an Edwardian silver cup

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with a value of six to £800.

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But all that has been changed by David who's here now.

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Hello, David. Who's this, your bigger brother?

0:35:240:35:27

-Yes, this is Carl, my bigger brother.

-Hello.

0:35:270:35:30

You are a lot bigger, aren't you?

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But you do look identical.

0:35:330:35:35

I got the most food.

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Who started this look first? The glasses are the same...

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I've got a couple of years on him, so it was me, really.

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-He's copied me.

-He's copying me!

-I think it's fabulous.

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I really do.

0:35:460:35:48

You've had a chat to the auctioneer.

0:35:480:35:50

-Since Michael put that value on, which you were happy with.

-Yep.

0:35:500:35:53

-Reserve of £500.

-Absolutely.

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It's been upped to £600.

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Just going on the value of silver at the moment, really.

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The market is so up and down.

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Your bottom estimate, plus the buyer's premium,

0:36:030:36:07

is actually far in excess of the scrap value.

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-So we've just got to hope that somebody wants it as a cup.

-Yeah.

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But it does make it a much more difficult proposition

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-when a lot of silver dealers are just buying on scrap.

-Yes.

0:36:160:36:19

-Hopefully somebody will buy this and you guys will be happy.

-Yes.

0:36:190:36:22

Good luck. This is it.

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Where do you start me on this?

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The bid's with me at 550, 560.

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-I look for 570 in the room.

-Not bad.

0:36:290:36:31

560 with me. 570 anywhere else?

0:36:310:36:33

-At £560. 570 anywhere?

-We need 600!

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Anybody coming in? It'll stay with me at 560. 570 anywhere else?

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-Are you sure?

-No.

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You slightly over-cooked it.

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The expert was right, for once.

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I hate to say it,

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it sounds like rubbing it in.

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The silver buyers were there. I can see them just over there.

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-Yeah.

-And they've got their price for the day.

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-If it's a pound over that...

-They won't buy it.

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They're not making money, they're losing it.

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So the thing is, maybe pop it away. Silver goes up and down.

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Oh, well. Back on the mantelpiece!

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If David picks his moment, he might get a good price for his silver

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at another auction room.

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That's it. Time is definitely up for Norman's watch.

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His Omega is just about to go under the hammer.

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I think it's a bit of quality, Norman.

0:37:220:37:25

-Hello, Christine, good to see you as well.

-Hello.

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He's flogging his watch for a weekend to take you away.

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-Definitely.

-What a gentleman.

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What a gentleman.

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That's love, isn't it? That's what it's all about.

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This will only go up in value in time. It's a good investment.

0:37:390:37:42

-I think it will.

-We'll give it to our grandson, then.

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If it doesn't sell, this is going to the grandson.

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And you still get taken away for the weekend!

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-Definitely.

-Cos he's a naughty boy.

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Let's find out what the bidders think.

0:37:530:37:55

We've got some interest in this.

0:37:550:37:57

-Start at 150.

-£150 to start.

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It's gone. Straightaway.

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160. 170. 180. 190.

0:38:020:38:04

200. 210. 230?

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210. 220. 230?

0:38:050:38:07

220. It's with you in the room at 220.

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The commission bid is out. 230? Do I see anywhere else?

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At £220 for the Omega watch. At 220, all done.

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Quality sells. £220.

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How much did you pay for that in the '50s?

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-I can't remember.

-You were only earning a pound a week.

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It wasn't a lot of money.

0:38:240:38:27

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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There you go. I told you quality sells.

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That will be a great investment for someone's grandson.

0:38:310:38:34

-But it's too late!

-It is too late.

0:38:340:38:36

He could have had grandad's watch. But it's too late.

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I didn't think it would fetch that much.

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Let's hope Norman and Christine have a lovely weekend away together.

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That's it. It's all over.

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What a fabulous time we have had here in Stourbridge, a place steeped in history.

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Hopefully, we've made a bit of history ourselves with some of our owners' items.

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The atmosphere has been electric here. Everybody's enjoyed themselves.

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All credit to our experts, because it's not easy putting a value on an antique,

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as you've seen.

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I hope you've enjoyed the highs and lows. See you next time!

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