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Walking on the decks of this historic ship, HMS Warrior,

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you are literally transported back in time to the world

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of the Victorian sailor where you can see hundreds of men

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handling the yarn, rigging and the sails,

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ready to fire a shot at the enemy on the fighting deck here.

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Well, there's a totally different crew on board today,

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but they do have their work cut out.

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Welcome to Flog It!

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When Queen Victoria came to the throne

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Britannia commanded the seas,

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its mighty fleet had defeated the French

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and the Royal Navy acted as world policeman.

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But her fleet of wooden ships were becoming outdated.

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Design needed to progress to keep up with the French.

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A ship clad in iron was commissioned, HMS Warrior was born.

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The fastest, the largest and strongest ship

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in the world at the time.

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Today she rests in the Portsmouth Historic Dockyard

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and will be our host for a rather special valuation day.

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Cheese!

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Flog It! first visited Portsmouth a good six years ago,

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back in series five. Tell you what, we found so much booty back then

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we decided to come back! And look at the weather, we're blessed with it.

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-Summer frocks are on. Hello, everyone!

-Hello!

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-What have you got in there?

-Sandwiches.

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Sandwiches. Good luck with that. That's 80 to 120, isn't it?

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What are they? Cheese and pickle?

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-Yes!

-That was a good guess, wasn't it? What have you brought along?

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-My ginger jar.

-Ginger jar. Well, good luck with that.

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You see, it doesn't matter what you brought along, you could be

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one of the lucky ones going through to auction later on

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and earning a small fortune. I know what this lot are here for,

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to ask our experts that all-important question, which is...

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CROWD: What's it worth?

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And if you're happy with the valuation, what are you going to do?

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Flog it!

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Already walking the plank are our experts

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Will Axon and Michael Baggott.

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Like true trawlermen,

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they're straight into the queue fishing for treasure.

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-Nice collection, isn't it?

-Yes, lovely bright colours.

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-I got a print from Nelson in the Battle of the Nile.

-Oh, yes.

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And it looks like they've found their first items.

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-Are they things that you're thinking of putting into auction?

-Yes.

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-Something you might want to flog today?

-Depending on price.

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It's all aboard HMS Warrior for a day of antiques and auctions.

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Here's what we've got coming up on today's show.

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HMS Warrior has sailed the seven seas

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so today's show has a truly international flavour.

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From Mexico, candlesticks made from ancient stone.

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Made in Germany, the goddess of hunting, Diana,

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a beautiful and fearsome woman.

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And from France, the top name in bronze.

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Which will make the most at auction today?

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130, 140...

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We're going to have a marvellous day.

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The sun is shining, everyone body is smiling

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and it looks like Michael Baggett has spotted a real gem down there.

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A pair of Chinese vases.

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Let's take a closer look at what he's talking about.

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Ruth, I spotted you in the queue with these marvellous vases.

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-Can you tell me, where did they come from?

-They were my grandmother's.

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I think they might have been a wedding present.

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She was married in June 1929.

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Did she have them out on display?

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As a child I remember them being out

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and she had a big pampas grass in them.

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I know the ones,...

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Yes, and obviously when she passed away they passed to me

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and I don't really use them.

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They're just stuck behind a door and it's a shame, really.

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-They're door stops at the moment?

-Sort of!

-Well, they are heavy enough!

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They are.

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They have the signs that we look for in the trade of private ownership.

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-Right.

-Continuous private ownership. Do you know what that sign is?

-No.

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It's specks of white emulsion.

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-Ah!

-All over them!

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SHE GIGGLES

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Because people never used to cover up,

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-they just used to do the painting and you get splatters.

-Yes, you do.

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-They scream Chinese.

-Right.

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-But very, very early form of Chinese vessel.

-Right.

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This shape would date back possibly 2,500 or 3,000 years.

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What we've got here is we've got cloisonne decoration

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and there are two ways that you can put enamelling into a metal surface.

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Champleve and cloisonne.

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Cloisonne is basically where you make wires in the body,

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-either through inset or through casting.

-Right.

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And then you'll fill it with powdered glass

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and you'll fire it

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and the glass will vitrify and melt and form a surface.

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But you can't do it all at once

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and you have two build up the different colours

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and then when it actually comes over the surface,

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the decoration, then you rub it back.

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Often, in this case, these are quite moderate quality.

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You get little holes, all left.

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If you have a look all in the enamel, little pockmarks where

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the glass hasn't quite filled up and they've still smoothed it off.

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Oh, I see.

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There was a great revival of Chinese style in the West

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in the 1680s,

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then again in 1750,

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then again in 1820,

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and then at the end of the 19th-century.

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These are end of the 19th-century. They're about 1870.

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-Really!

-Up to about 1900.

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Oh, I didn't think they'd be that old.

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Really you date them by the quality

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and also by the colour of the bronze because they are cast bronze.

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You've got these little zoomorphic handles.

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Yes, I do like the handles, I must admit.

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-They're quite characterful, aren't they?

-Yes, they are.

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-And again, they are copied from archaic Chinese bronze vessels.

-OK.

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What they are is a nice, large, decorative pair.

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-Any ideas of the value?

-I've absolutely no idea.

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I mean, Chinese things are going through the roof at the moment

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but the things that the Chinese want to buy back

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are Imperial quality, made for their own market.

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-These are very much for export and its poor quality.

-No, that's fine.

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-Let's be cautious and say £80-£120.

-OK.

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-And let's put a fixed reserve of £70 on them.

-Right.

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-They won't go for any less than that.

-Right.

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-So, thank you very much for bringing them in.

-No problem.

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I always like to see a bit of cloisonne.

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It gives me my chance to say the process of cloisonne

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which is amazingly fascinating.

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-I'm sure we'll get them away at the sale for you.

-Excellent, thank you very much.

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Michael Baggott with a masterclass in cloisonne.

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And now to a very special piece of bronze made by a very special man.

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-So, Sandy, tell me, are you a dog lover?

-I am.

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Yes, I'm an animal lover.

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I love them dogs, I think they're beautiful, they really are.

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Is that what drew you originally to the sculpture?

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It was my father's originally. He left them to me.

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Was your father a keen collector, was he?

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Yes, he used to collect lots of bits and pieces.

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He used to go to jumble sales and charity shops.

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OK, that's always a good start.

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-And it's rubbed off on you, has it?

-Yes, because I'm now doing it!

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Are you?

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So, you've obviously done a bit of research,

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I would have thought, on a piece like this.

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Of course, nowadays, with our access to the World Wide Web

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and so on, it's very easy to be a bit of an armchair detective.

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It's easy, as well, when they put their name in the base, isn't it?

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-PJ Mene.

-Pierre Jules Mene.

-Exactly right.

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Yes, born 1810 in France, Paris, lived until 1877.

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And I would pretty much say that without doubt,

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he was the most successful animalier bronze producer of his time,

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if not, ever.

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Because, he was a man who was quite happy to be down the foundry

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sleeves rolled up, apron on, getting his hands dirty,

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producing the bronzes that he would then

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sell on to the French aristocracy.

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And he would be just as comfortable, shall we say,

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schmoozing his clients as he would be with working

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with the lads in the foundry, getting his hands dirty.

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This has been made from a mould.

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-You make the bronze and the mould still exists, doesn't it?

-Yes.

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So, when Mene died in 1877,

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the moulds of the bronzes were passed on to his son,

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and of course, that meant he could keep producing the bronzes.

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But, you wouldn't say it was by Mene necessarily

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because it wasn't in his lifetime.

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So, you got to be a bit careful that even though

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it is signed Mene, that's signed in the actual mould itself,

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rather than it being produced in his lifetime,

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with him actually having handled it, checked over the quality,

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cos he would have done that with every single bronze that left.

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A lot of the time when you get later cast examples,

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which are using the same moulds,

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but are cast with perhaps not quite as much care

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and attention to detail,

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you lose the definition, whereas here,

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you've got real character, haven't you, on the faces of these dogs.

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You've got on the later examples, this line here,

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the crispness of the base, you lose a bit of that definition.

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As soon as that starts going a bit wavy

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or it's not quite parallel or true,

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you've got to be a bit suspicious.

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So, again, handy hint for people at home who maybe are buying bronzes

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because they are easy to reproduce, that's the danger, you see.

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And, underneath of course, you want to see this.

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You want to see, these haven't been off in years, have they?

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No, they're all original.

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That's exactly what you want to see so I think this is probably

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produced towards the end of his lifetime,

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maybe even into the late 19th century, early 20th century.

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But I'm telling you, it's still a nice example, isn't it?

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It is, it's beautiful.

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You're selling it to maybe buy something else, you said?

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-Yes.

-There might be something at the auction.

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-There might be!

-You never know.

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We'll have to make sure this goes in for something you want to buy.

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Yes, so I don't start looking round, that's right!

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Now were talking about selling and buying,

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-what do you think it's worth? Have you got an idea in your mind?

-Yes.

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It's got to be worth over £150, I would reckon.

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-I would agree with you.

-I would reckon.

-I would agree with.

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If we were definite that this was within his lifetime

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and he'd handled it and so on,

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I would have said the value would have been in the high hundreds,

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but I think because I'm erring on the side of caution

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that it might be a later model,

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I'm happy to try it at sort of 200 to 300.

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Yes, because I wouldn't sell it for less than £150, I don't think.

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Do you want to put the reserve at, say, £180?

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-Yes, 180.

-180? Yes.

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I don't think your going to have any trouble seeing it away because...

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-I shouldn't think so because...

-Good subject, good name, nice quality.

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-It is.

-You ticked all my boxes, Sandy. See you at the saleroom!

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-Thank you very much.

-Not at all.

-That's great, thank you.

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We'll have to wait and see how much that dog is worth in the auction.

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We've been holding valuation days for over ten years now.

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We've seen everything, from aeroplane propellers

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to Beatles memorabilia,

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so let's see what is popular with the people of Portsmouth.

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-A nice old Toby jug.

-Yes. He's musical.

-Great!

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A design, really, to put a smile on your face because

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they're caricatures of local politicians,

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local policeman that you'd want to ridicule and have a go at.

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Hands up who else has got a Toby jug then, or something like a Toby jug?

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Look at that, one, two, three...

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You can always guarantee a few Toby jugs, can't you?

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Michael's gone ashore

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and it looks like he's found something rather special.

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Christopher, thank you for bringing along this most extraordinary

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pair of candlesticks. I'm sure there's a story behind them.

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Can you tell me what you know about them and where you got them from?

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Yes, they came from the consul general in Guatemala City.

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He was consul general from 1957 to 1960

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and he was a friend of the family and they were given as a gift.

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They are set in sterling standard silver and the stone actually

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-comes from the temple of the snake god at Chichen Itza.

-Good grief!

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And they are in the form of the entrance to Chichen Itza.

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Good Lord. So, the stone itself is 500, 600, 700-years-old.

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-Must be, yes.

-And yet, what they've done is rather strange to us.

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They've taken fragments of the ruins,

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-which, of course, you can't do these days!

-Well, no, no!

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And they've fashioned into these most extraordinary candlesticks.

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There is a fashion for silver working

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in this sort of Mayan, Aztec, sort of native South American style.

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I think it really started in Mexico,

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the Taxco company and Hector Aguilar.

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-They were basically working in the '20s, '30s and '40s.

-Right.

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I just think it's the sheer innovation of taking

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basically an archaeological fragment

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and turning it into something modern and useful.

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They are super. If we turn them over, they are marked sterling,

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they have the little Mexican symbol on for sterling silver

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-and the 925 mark and they're rather spectacular.

-Yes.

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And I daresay, it's not a word I use often,

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but they're quite funky and they would go into, I think,

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many modern interiors and set it off an absolute treat.

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-They were an 18th birthday present to you?

-Yes. That was 1962.

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Giving away your age now! I know, yes.

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Why have you decided to sell them now?

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Well, I am now in a very small flat.

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I've got loads of other things, silver, china

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and there's only so much you can keep in one small space.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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Well, I think they're so unusual

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is quite difficult for me to value them.

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You know, people will either love them or they won't understand them.

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So, we have to appreciate that.

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I think what we'll do is put a fixed reserve of £150 on them.

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-Right.

-But I think, let's put a wider estimate on and say £200-£400.

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And hopefully get the top of that estimate?

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Hopefully get the top end, but I still think £150 would be fair

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on a quiet day, but let's just place it so that the market decides.

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Yes, a come-and-get-me sort of thing.

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Run-and-get-me, hopefully, at the auction

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and hopefully there will be several of them.

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Thank you for bringing along something that is unique to me,

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I've not seen the like before

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and I'm sure the people at the auction will be equally delighted.

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-Excellent.

-And hopefully bidding!

-I hope so!

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-Thank you very much indeed.

-Thank you.

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Before we head off to auction for the very first time in today's show,

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I want to show you these, the wheels that steer the Warrior.

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Look at them! They're huge, aren't they?

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There's enough space between these for them to be manned by eight men

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and in extremely rough conditions, they'd be teamed by 16 men,

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all struggling to keep this vessel in a straight line.

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To give you an idea of the strength needed to turn these wheels

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which wound the rope to turn the rudder,

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you had to revolve these wheels six complete revolutions

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in order to turn the ship from midships to hard to starboard.

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But, right now, we have to navigate our way across to the sale room

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and here's what we're taking with us.

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Ruth's Chinese vases are a good example of cloisonne work

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but will anyone like the look of them in the auction room?

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PJ Mene is the name to remember in bronze but will these greyhounds

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be quick out of the starter's block in the sale?

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And these candlesticks are so unusual,

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they are very difficult to value.

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We are leaving the busy dockyards of Portsmouth

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to head north for today's auction.

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And this is where we're putting all of our items to the test today,

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Andrew Smith & Son auction rooms in the heart of Hampshire.

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A little village called Itchen Stoke.

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I tell you what, this barn is absolutely full of gems.

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It's got all the ingredients of a classic sale today.

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And we have two auctioneers on the rostrum,

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Andrew Smith and Nick Jarrett.

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At auction buyers and sellers both pay commission.

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Today it's 15% for our sellers.

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But now, our first lot.

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This is a first on Flog It!, that's for sure.

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We don't get that many Mexican things actually.

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-They are quite unusual.

-They are very, very unusual.

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I know they took your eye. Beautifully worked.

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At first, I'll be honest, at first I didn't like them at all.

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I really didn't. They were very unusual and I thought I'd film them.

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By the time we'd finished, I thought they were lovely.

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Interestingly enough, I said to the auction room,

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"Have you sold many Mexican things before, artefacts or works of art?"

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They said, "Actually, something came to mind!

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"We sold a sombrero a few years ago for £200 to somebody locally!"

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So maybe that person who lives locally

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who spent £200 on a sombrero would like a pair of candlesticks.

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I suppose if the sombrero goes on a peg in the middle,

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the candlesticks go either side.

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-Worth a lot more than a sombrero, put it that way.

-I hope so!

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Let's find out what the bidder's think.

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Lot 275, the sterling silver and carved stone snake god candlesticks.

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These are terrific, have you seen them? Lovely style to them.

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Possibility that the stone is actually antique, from a temple.

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I've got several bids.

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I'm going to start you hear at £110.

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120 can I say?

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At 110, 120 is it?

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£110, 120,

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130, 140, 150?

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£140, 150 can I say?

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150, 160?

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£150. On the side here at 150.

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Selling, make no mistake, at £150.

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I don't think they're expensive at this level either.

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At £150, all done? At £150, are you done?

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Sold at £150. That is auctions for you.

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You win some, you lose some, but in this case we didn't lose,

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-we got it away...

-Absolutely.

-..on the reserve,

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-which is the main thing.

-Excellent.

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At least they're out of the cupboard,

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they'll be used by someone.

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As long as we haven't angered the snake god, I'm fine with that!

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From Mexico to China.

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Well, a touch of the Orient comes to the south coast now

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with a pair of Chinese bronze vases belonging to Ruth.

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They're about to go under the hammer with a value of around £80-£120.

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Why have you decided to sell them now?

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-Well, they just sat around not doing anything.

-Doing nothing.

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What did your grandmother put in them?

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-There was huge, do you remember those huge feathers?

-Yes.

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-I suppose sort of '70s, late '70s.

-I know the ones.

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Furry sort of things, bright colours.

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Which is a good look, really!

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-It is for an interior designer.

-Let's see what they make, shall we?

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It's worth a try, isn't it? Here we go, let's find out what the bidders think.

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Lot 540, the Chinese copper and champleve vases.

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Good vases, these. Where are you going to start me for them?

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£50? £50 then, surely?

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£50 I have. And five?

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55, 60, five, 70?

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At £65.

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-Oh, we need a bit more than that.

-At £65?

-We do, I'm afraid.

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At £65?

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70, can I say? At £65? No?

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At £65, we're going on.

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Maybe they needed the feathers in them.

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65 then, all done.

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-Not sold, I'm afraid.

-Sorry about that.

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-Oh! Never mind.

-Look on the bright side, it's not a chest of drawers,

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-you don't have to lug that home, do you?

-No!

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-At least they go on the back seat of the car.

-That's right, yes.

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Today wasn't the day for Kim so

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she's decided to put them back into auction in a couple of month's time.

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Who let the dogs out? That's what I want to know.

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There's lots running around here and Sandy,

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you are just about to sell your bronze sculpture of a greyhound.

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-You are a dog lover.

-I'm a cat lover more.

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-That's why you're selling your bronze!

-But I do like dogs!

-Do you?

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-I love everything.

-Have you checked

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the ones running around here? They're all over the place!

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They certainly are!

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Wonderful casting anyway. I like this bronze greyhound.

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-It's lovely, isn't it?

-Yes.

-I think it's wonderful.

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And you're a bit of a collector, aren't you?

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-You want to do a bit of dealing.

-Yes.

-Good for you!

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-I go to antiques fairs and things.

-It's great fun, isn't it?

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-It really is good fun.

-It is.

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It's just good to get out there.

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Good luck with that. Let's see what we can do for you, shall we?

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Fingers crossed here we go.

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Lot 500, the bronze group of the greyhound and puppy.

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Quality piece.

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-It is a quality piece.

-And I've got to start you at 140.

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150, can I say? 140 with me.

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150, is it? 140, here, 150, 160.

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-Good, we've got some interest in the room.

-170 anywhere?

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The chap over there against the wall is bidding quite heavily.

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180?

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-He's going to try...

-Oh, good.

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-190.

-He's going to get it for 190.

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190, I have, are you sure?

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-I wanted more.

-Well, so did I.

-We all want more!

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190, think that is it. At £190, are we done?

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-Yes. It is gone.

-I think he got a good deal there.

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I think he did, too.

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We caught up with the new owner of the bronze to find out what

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inspired him to buy it.

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I bought it because we have a greyhound, a rescue greyhound

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and we've got one little bronze, we thought another bronze would be a lovely thing to buy.

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And so it fits in really well with our little collection.

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It's good to know the greyhounds will be well looked after in their new home.

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Well, that is it for our first three items in today's show,

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so join me on a journey into the nearby New Forest, where we discover

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its history, through the eyes of the very important inhabitants.

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They are known by some as the architects of the New Forest,

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and they have been wandering the woodlands

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and heaths for thousands of years.

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They are no taller than 147 centimetres

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and you do not want to stand too close to their behinds,

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as they have got a rather powerful kick.

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They are, of course, New Forest ponies.

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NEIGHING

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The New Forest has recently been designated a National Park

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and it is home to an abundance of British wildlife.

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But the star attraction for many thousands of visitors each year

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has to be the New Forest ponies.

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The breed have been here for centuries,

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and it is really down to their intelligence

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and strength that they are able to survive the harsh winters.

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But as we are just about to find out,

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today, their main threat isn't environmental.

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It is economical and social, brought about by man.

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Already on my little walk this morning,

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I have heard cuckoos, I've seen rabbits and deer,

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but this is a sight to behold, look at that mother with her foal.

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There are some 4,500 ponies happily munching their way through the Forest.

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And the relationship between the ponies

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and the land is interdependent.

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Obviously, they need to graze for survival, but the land

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needs them, because otherwise it wouldn't look like this.

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It would be overgrown.

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They may appear to be roaming around wild, just doing their own thing

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but they're not, they are owned and managed by Commoners,

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who have the right to graze their ponies here on the New Forest.

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Those rights and traditions were written a very long time ago.

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The tale of Commoners' rights, starts, as so do many,

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with William the First or William the Conqueror.

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He claimed the vast rural area in the south as his royal forest and deer hunting ground.

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And he did so at the expense of many villages that were pulled down

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to make way for a new, single compact area known as Nova Foresta.

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Many of the local population lost their homes

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and ability to make a living from the Forest.

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Later as the somewhat small compensation,

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the Crown offered the local people are a number of rights,

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the main one was they could graze their ponies and cattle

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on the land and secondly, they could dig clay and also cut peat for fuel.

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900 years later, and many of these rights are no longer exercised,

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but the entitlement to turn ponies out on to the Forest is

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keenly upheld by Commoners like Jonathan Gerelli,

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who is here to tell me about those rights.

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-The right doesn't go with the person, it goes with his property.

-Oh, I see.

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So you need own or occupy, so rent etc, land which has Forest rights.

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The right you need is the right of pasture.

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The Commoners really turn the stock out on to the Forest.

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It helps supplement their income, that is the traditional thing.

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Of course, these days, there is virtually no money to be

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made in keeping of ponies and it is really very much done as a tradition.

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A tradition that is passed down through the generations.

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How do manage them? What exactly do you do? How do you look after them?

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Yes, that is thing. When you put your animals out in the Forest,

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there is nothing to stop them wandering from one end to the other.

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But they don't tend to do that.

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They tend to stay in a particular area and we call that

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in the Forest, a halt.

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Every individual pony is branded, it carries the owner's individual mark.

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We tend to have the foals.

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Some we sell as foals, some we keep on as a young stock.

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They make absolutely super riding ponies.

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Hardy little things, aren't they?

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The big selling point of the Forest ponies is they have marvellous temperaments.

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Well, it's so laid back here, isn't it, like the owners!

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-Look at this, it is beautiful.

-We are so lucky to live in this area.

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You do sometimes take it for granted

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and every now and again, it's a beautiful morning and you think,

0:25:230:25:26

God, I am lucky to be here.

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The common of pasture tradition itself has changed very little,

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and although there are people like Jonathan keeping the practice alive,

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there are also threats to its survival.

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There are some 500 properties with rights of common in the Forest

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and they are often end highly sought after locations,

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and therefore, very expensive.

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This has meant the next generation of local people

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with an interest in the Forest have been priced out of the market.

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Here in Burley, for example, two-thirds of the houses with common

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rights are second homes or part-time homes, and the residents aren't

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too keen on taking up the challenge of putting animals out to pasture.

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As well as being a Commoner, Jonathan his agister

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for the Forestry Commission,

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and knows only too well the impact man has on the Forest.

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I noticed when I took the Lymington ferry to go to the Isle of Wight

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last month, that it said, "Please drive slowly and be careful,"

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"because already 20 ponies have been killed on the road this year."

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Is that the sort of average, each year?

0:26:340:26:36

-So you are talking about 40 ponies a year?

-More than that, I am afraid.

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We have averaged about 160 accidents a year and probably of those,

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90 to 100 animals are killed or seriously injured.

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That must be heartbreaking?

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It very much is. And that is part of the agister's duty to attend those accidents and that is

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the downside of the job.

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Apart from visitors coming to the New Forest, reducing their speed,

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what else can they do to maintain this wonderful tradition?

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Please don't feed the ponies.

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A big temptation for people to feed the ponies.

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It attracts them to the road which we don't want.

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Come here, admire what we have got here,

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but please just admire from a distance.

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You are so lucky to use this fantastic area we have got.

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The New Forest is literally shaped by the ponies that graze on it

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and you can't help think

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it's character is also defined by these beautiful animals.

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But it takes man's hand to manage them and if the traditions

0:27:340:27:37

of the Commoners are not upheld,

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then the New Forest would very quickly look altogether different.

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Back at our valuation day on HMS Warrior,

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the waiting crowd are being entertained

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by the Royal Marines Association Concert Band,

0:27:530:27:56

playing a selection of sea shanties.

0:27:560:27:59

A sea shanty was sung to accompany work on board ships,

0:28:020:28:06

although not many were sung on war vessels such as Warrior.

0:28:060:28:09

It is thought that Drunken Sailor,

0:28:090:28:11

was one of the few allowed by the Royal Navy.

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MUSIC: Drunken Sailor

0:28:130:28:15

What a fabulous performance from some very skilled musicians.

0:28:290:28:33

Now, Will has found two hand-made vases that you may well recognise,

0:28:350:28:40

but can you guess what he thinks they are worth?

0:28:400:28:43

Well, Ann, from the Spinnaker behind me there,

0:28:430:28:45

a bit of cutting edge technology in the 21st century,

0:28:450:28:48

down to these, which, in their time, the Moorcroft family were

0:28:480:28:53

pretty cutting edge in technology and design, too.

0:28:530:28:56

Viewers at home will know these are Moorcroft.

0:28:560:28:59

They are going to be well-versed in the history of Moorcroft

0:28:590:29:03

and so on so I am going to cut to the chase and say,

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where have you got them from and why are you selling them?

0:29:050:29:08

We bought them in the late '70s or early '80s at a collector's fair

0:29:080:29:12

in the Guildhall in Portsmouth, here.

0:29:120:29:14

OK, so they have not strayed far from where you bought them.

0:29:140:29:17

No, not at all. We just bought them because we liked them.

0:29:170:29:21

We didn't know anything about them at the time.

0:29:210:29:23

That's good, because if you are buying things

0:29:230:29:25

that you like, it is pretty hard to get wrong.

0:29:250:29:28

Contemporary design, the Spinnaker behind me,

0:29:280:29:31

going back to it, do you like it?

0:29:310:29:33

Yes, I do, actually. I wasn't sure when they started to build it.

0:29:330:29:35

It grows on you, doesn't it? I mean, I think it's a great looking building

0:29:350:29:39

but I bet there are plenty of people who look at that and don't quite get it and it was the same with these.

0:29:390:29:44

But if you like them,

0:29:440:29:45

you have tapped into where Moorcroft were coming from with this

0:29:450:29:48

very artistic decoration, very decorative,

0:29:480:29:52

very colourful almost on this sea-blue ground, isn't it?

0:29:520:29:55

It is very organic, shall we say, which is really the angle they

0:29:550:29:58

were coming from, as well as with the shape and with the decoration.

0:29:580:30:01

You say you bought them from a fair,

0:30:010:30:03

so, what sort of money did you have to pay for them?

0:30:030:30:06

If I remember rightly, I think we paid about £60 for the two.

0:30:060:30:09

That is not bad going, £60.

0:30:090:30:11

Granted that it's for the earlier,

0:30:110:30:14

larger pieces of Moorcroft where the big money is spent, but, you know.

0:30:140:30:17

If someone was looking to start a collection, say,

0:30:170:30:20

or they wanted to weigh in at the affordable level,

0:30:200:30:23

you don't have to start buying everything at top money.

0:30:230:30:26

I think we would probably have to put a matched pair, maybe.

0:30:260:30:30

I think they are slightly different, but they are hand-made, aren't they?

0:30:300:30:34

You're going to have some natural discrepancy

0:30:340:30:36

in form and decoration which is part of the appeal, really.

0:30:360:30:39

So I am going to suggest to you that we will put these in with

0:30:390:30:42

a bit of a come-and-get-me estimate,

0:30:420:30:44

100 to 150, how do you feel about that?

0:30:440:30:47

I know it's a long time since you bought them and you may be want a better return.

0:30:470:30:51

But we have had the use of them in that time and enjoyed them.

0:30:510:30:55

That is the way to look at it, really. Perfect.

0:30:550:30:58

What is the money for? Are you going to replace them with more Moorcroft

0:30:580:31:01

or are you going to go off on another collecting tangent?

0:31:010:31:03

-We have got a Fifth Wheel so we are probably...

-A Fifth Wheel?

0:31:030:31:08

-Yes, it is a kind of caravan.

-Oh, I thought it was a condition!

-No!

0:31:080:31:12

It is an articulated vehicle that goes on the back of a truck bed.

0:31:120:31:16

-Very easy to use.

-Let's have a look.

-That will give you an idea.

0:31:160:31:20

-Yes, you're right, there is you and your husband?

-Yes.

0:31:200:31:24

So, do you stay in this country or do you go abroad at all?

0:31:240:31:27

We went abroad last year but this year we are staying in this country.

0:31:270:31:30

Hey, look, with the weather like this, who can blame you?

0:31:300:31:33

This is ideal, isn't it?

0:31:330:31:35

Well, listen, 100 to 150, let's hope we can get you top estimate,

0:31:350:31:38

a bit of cash to put towards your holiday.

0:31:380:31:40

-I look forward to seeing you at the auction.

-Fingers crossed.

-Cheers.

0:31:400:31:43

So, 100 to 150, did you get that right?

0:31:450:31:49

Later, we will find out if they make more as they go under the hammer

0:31:490:31:52

but now, we are back on deck with Michael.

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Martina, thank you for bringing this beautiful lady today.

0:31:550:31:59

What can you tell me about it?

0:31:590:32:02

Well, Michael, I actually inherited her from my godparents

0:32:020:32:07

together with 16 other ivory or -

0:32:070:32:10

-well, we were hoping that it's ivory - items.

-Right.

0:32:100:32:14

So you don't know yet whether it's ivory

0:32:140:32:16

-or whether it's resin or plastic?

-No.

0:32:160:32:18

My godfather always assured me that it was ivory,

0:32:180:32:23

but we had friends around, and they literally said that they

0:32:230:32:26

couldn't see a grain, so they were assuming it was resin.

0:32:260:32:30

Right. That brings up a few interesting points.

0:32:300:32:33

The first is that there are so many copies of ivory

0:32:330:32:38

in resin, in plastic, in bone.

0:32:380:32:42

Bone's quite easy to tell,

0:32:420:32:44

because you'll get little black flecks from the vesicles that show through.

0:32:440:32:48

The plastic forgeries can be much more cunning.

0:32:480:32:52

They often have the same density and feel as ivory.

0:32:520:32:55

We must just say that this is old ivory,

0:32:550:32:58

not anything that was made in the 20th century.

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Ivory can only be sold if it was made before 1947.

0:33:020:33:05

This piece certainly was.

0:33:050:33:07

This figure would date to about 1870, 1880,

0:33:070:33:12

but if we look at the figure in detail,

0:33:120:33:14

it's quite difficult to tell,

0:33:140:33:15

but if you look here by the shoulder -

0:33:150:33:17

I'm naturally drawn to that area, I don't know why -

0:33:170:33:20

you can see a little bit of grain in it, and if we just move it,

0:33:200:33:24

there is slight flexing and a depth to it

0:33:240:33:26

which you don't get with plastic cos it's all surface decoration

0:33:260:33:30

and patination with plastic.

0:33:300:33:33

It's on this ivory base.

0:33:330:33:35

I think this ivory base is a bit later, actually.

0:33:350:33:37

It's a slightly different colour. Ivory tends to age in the atmosphere,

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and it can go quite yellow and get a very rich tone to it.

0:33:410:33:46

I think this is a figure of Diana the Huntress,

0:33:460:33:49

-because we've got her quiver.

-Hmm-mm.

0:33:490:33:51

We've got her faithful hunting dog

0:33:510:33:54

and then we have her holding her kill, the boar's head.

0:33:540:33:59

That's a very Teutonic emblem.

0:33:590:34:01

You wouldn't expect to see her with a boar's head in France,

0:34:010:34:05

but in a German carving, that's absolutely fine.

0:34:050:34:07

She's nicely done.

0:34:070:34:10

I wouldn't say she's the very finest quality ivory I've seen,

0:34:100:34:15

but very nicely done, and German rather than the French Dieppe carving.

0:34:150:34:19

Nice figure.

0:34:200:34:22

It always helps to have a naked lady when you're selling and ivory.

0:34:220:34:26

-Any idea of the value?

-Absolutely none.

0:34:260:34:29

I think we need to be sensible with it,

0:34:300:34:32

just because she's holding the dead boar's head.

0:34:320:34:35

That might just put a few people off

0:34:350:34:37

-that like the more Art Deco graceful figures.

-Yes.

0:34:370:34:40

Let's say £400-£600.

0:34:400:34:43

Let's put a fixed reserve of, say, £400 on it

0:34:430:34:47

and see how it goes.

0:34:470:34:49

But it is a well carved late 19th-century figure,

0:34:490:34:54

and it deserves to make all of that, if not a little bit more.

0:34:540:34:58

-Are you happy to put it into the auction?

-I am, yes.

0:34:580:35:01

Because she's only in a box at the moment.

0:35:010:35:04

Well, get her out of the box and on display

0:35:040:35:06

and in front of some admiring eyes, I hope.

0:35:060:35:08

-They would appreciate it more.

-I certainly do.

-Thank you.

0:35:080:35:11

Thank you very much for bringing it in.

0:35:110:35:13

In Roman mythology, Diana was the goddess of the hunt

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and of the moon,

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and it looks like Michael will join the masses who worship her.

0:35:190:35:22

Will's back on shore now, but is he in trouble?

0:35:220:35:26

Steve, you're making me a bit nervous in your uniform.

0:35:260:35:29

I know my valuations can be a bit out sometimes,

0:35:290:35:31

but as far as I'm aware, that's not an arrestable offence, is it?

0:35:310:35:34

-No, I don't think so.

-I'm in the clear, then.

-Should be all right.

0:35:340:35:37

But look what you've brought along today. These are great fun.

0:35:370:35:40

Do you wear these? Are they from your own collection?

0:35:400:35:42

No. My mother gave them to me a few years ago, and she got them

0:35:420:35:47

off her father, who was in the Royal Navy,

0:35:470:35:50

so I don't know how he came to be in possession of them.

0:35:500:35:53

Right, OK. They're a lovely little pair of cufflinks.

0:35:530:35:55

When I first saw them, I thought, these are some nice gold cufflinks

0:35:550:35:58

with enamelled pictures of the Titanic,

0:35:580:36:02

-but having had a closer look at them, they're not gold, are they?

-No.

0:36:020:36:06

They are base metal, so we'd have to call them sort of gilt metal.

0:36:060:36:09

The centenary has only recently passed,

0:36:090:36:12

so the sort of thing that we want to see on Flog It!

0:36:120:36:15

You tell me that your grandfather was in the Royal Navy.

0:36:150:36:18

-In the Royal Navy, yes.

-So do you think that they probably came from him, then, originally?

0:36:180:36:22

Yes, I have talked to people about these.

0:36:220:36:25

Why would they be making souvenirs earlier than 100 years?

0:36:250:36:28

If my grandfather had them, they've got to be at least 50 years old.

0:36:280:36:32

-Yes.

-So, unless they were a bicentenary thing.

0:36:320:36:34

Otherwise, I was thinking,

0:36:340:36:35

maybe they were issued to the crews

0:36:350:36:37

for cufflinks themselves, or something.

0:36:370:36:39

I think they're possibly commemorative

0:36:390:36:44

-rather than being on board at the time, shall we say.

-Hmm-mm.

0:36:440:36:48

Because, even at the time, the Titanic was causing quite a stir.

0:36:480:36:51

So I think there was a market for Titanic-related memorabilia

0:36:510:36:56

even then. Obviously, you've got your short sleeves on today.

0:36:560:36:59

I've rolled my sleeves up because of the weather.

0:36:590:37:02

It's kind of redundant in how you dress nowadays.

0:37:020:37:05

-Not really a cufflink man?

-No, not really.

0:37:050:37:08

Well, there are enough people out there who are obsessed -

0:37:080:37:11

- and that is the word for it - with the Titanic memorabilia.

0:37:110:37:14

I think we'll find a new buyer for these who is either going to wear them

0:37:140:37:18

or they're going to be part of their Titanic memorabilia collection.

0:37:180:37:21

My valuation would be -

0:37:210:37:23

and I'm aware that you've got your handcuffs

0:37:230:37:26

and your scary baton - my valuation is going to be sort of around the £50 mark,

0:37:260:37:30

sort of £40-£60. How do you feel about that?

0:37:300:37:34

-That would be fine, yes.

-Yes, you'd be happy with that?

-Yes.

0:37:340:37:37

Well, thanks for coming off duty and seeing us.

0:37:370:37:39

Shake you by the hand, and see you at the saleroom.

0:37:390:37:42

-Absolutely.

-You don't have to come in uniform.

-Thank you.

0:37:420:37:46

What a fabulous valuation day we've had here on HMS Warrior,

0:37:490:37:53

and particularly in Portsmouth Harbour.

0:37:530:37:55

But sadly, it's time for us to say goodbye,

0:37:550:37:57

as we get landlocked now into the auction room in Winchester.

0:37:570:38:00

Here's the booty that we're taking with us.

0:38:000:38:02

Will's estimate was £100-£150, but we all know Moorcroft can make more.

0:38:040:38:08

Will this sale cause jaws to drop at auction?

0:38:080:38:11

Or will it be the ivory figure that combines beauty and the beast?

0:38:130:38:17

There are thousands of Titanic fans in the country.

0:38:190:38:22

Will they set sail to bid on these cufflinks?

0:38:220:38:25

It's back to the saleroom now,

0:38:270:38:29

where it's light, camera, auction for the last time today.

0:38:290:38:32

Good luck with these cufflinks.

0:38:340:38:37

It would be really nice to think that they could be the Titanic.

0:38:370:38:39

-I am pretty sure they are.

-Well, I think it is the Titanic.

0:38:390:38:42

You've got the four funnels, you see, and on the Titanic,

0:38:420:38:45

you had three funnels for the steam and one for show.

0:38:450:38:47

So, the four funnels on these, I am pretty sure...

0:38:470:38:50

Which could add to that £40-£60 value,

0:38:500:38:52

it could bring it up a bit, couldn't it?

0:38:520:38:54

Well, these Titanic collectors are avid collectors.

0:38:540:38:56

-Now, I gather all the money is going towards a pram.

-Yes.

0:38:560:39:00

-So tell me about this pram. Who's it for?

-For my daughter.

0:39:000:39:03

She's 24 and she's expecting her first child in November.

0:39:030:39:06

-So you're going to be a grandad?

-Yes, first time.

-How exciting!

0:39:060:39:09

Let's find out what the cufflinks do.

0:39:090:39:11

They're going under the hammer now.

0:39:110:39:13

A pair of metal cufflinks with enamel pictures,

0:39:130:39:16

possibly the Titanic, lot 245.

0:39:160:39:18

Start me at £50. £50?

0:39:180:39:21

40? £40, surely.

0:39:210:39:23

-30, if you like.

-Come on! They're worth that!

0:39:230:39:26

32, 35, 37. 40.

0:39:260:39:29

Well done.

0:39:290:39:30

45.

0:39:300:39:32

At £42 and selling. Is there 5?

0:39:320:39:34

45. 47.

0:39:340:39:36

Good.

0:39:360:39:37

At £45, seated at the front here. At £45, are you all done?

0:39:370:39:41

At £45, last time.

0:39:410:39:44

It looks like we are selling at 45.

0:39:440:39:46

-Yes, the hammer's gone down.

-There you go.

-Good estimate.

0:39:460:39:48

-Very good.

-Glad to see them away.

-But they've gone.

0:39:480:39:51

They've gone, and that's the end of them, yeah.

0:39:510:39:53

-Little bit of money towards the pushchair.

-Yes, we might get a wheel out of that!

0:39:530:39:57

Did it go to a collector of Titanic memorabilia?

0:39:570:40:00

We found out who bought it and why.

0:40:000:40:03

I'm interested, because my grandfather worked for the Cunard Line for 50 years,

0:40:040:40:08

so I collect a few bits related to ships and things

0:40:080:40:12

because they interest me.

0:40:120:40:13

Our history being preserved by young collectors like Alex. Good work!

0:40:130:40:20

Now, will this be one of those Moorcroft moments?

0:40:200:40:23

Why are you selling the vases?

0:40:230:40:25

Well, we came down, because it was on the Warrior as well,

0:40:250:40:28

and it was a beautiful day...

0:40:280:40:29

-It was stunning.

-And we thought it would be a lovely experience.

0:40:290:40:32

A good day out. But you get to see how Flog It! is put together and made.

0:40:320:40:35

-And that was really interesting.

-Were you've impressed?

0:40:350:40:38

-I was, and everybody was so nice.

-We look after everybody, we really do.

0:40:380:40:43

-What are we looking for, Will?

-I think I said about £100 for the pair.

0:40:430:40:47

I think they've got to be worth that. A pair of Moorcroft vases.

0:40:470:40:50

-Yes, one of the best names in ceramics.

-Exactly.

0:40:500:40:53

-Fingers crossed.

-Fingers crossed.

-No pressure.

0:40:530:40:56

Lot 580, there is a pair of Moorcroft spot vases.

0:40:560:41:00

We have a commissioned bid. I'll start the bidding at £100.

0:41:000:41:02

-Straight in.

-There we go.

-Oh, good.

0:41:020:41:06

110, 120, 130. Commissioned bid's out.

0:41:060:41:08

130 in the room. It there 140?

0:41:080:41:10

140, 150.

0:41:100:41:12

160. 170, 180, 190, 200.

0:41:120:41:16

-It's going. Well, it is a pair, isn't it? Let's face it.

-Yeah.

0:41:160:41:20

At £190, then, if you're all done, very last time...

0:41:200:41:23

Yes! How about that? We are happy with that.

0:41:230:41:26

So that will get the food for the week, won't it?

0:41:260:41:30

-Or something like that.

-Yes.

0:41:300:41:31

-Who are you going with?

-My husband.

0:41:310:41:33

-Is he here today?

-Yes, yes, he's there.

-There he is.

0:41:330:41:37

-He's pleased.

-Very pleased.

0:41:390:41:41

It just shows you, even with popular pieces like Moorcroft,

0:41:410:41:44

you can never tell what they will make on the day.

0:41:440:41:47

An excellent sale. And finally, we end with a goddess.

0:41:470:41:51

Good luck, Martina, with the ivory figure.

0:41:510:41:54

Why have you picked this one out to sell,

0:41:540:41:57

because you've still got another 15 or so at home?

0:41:570:41:59

What was it about this one that you brought to Michael?

0:41:590:42:02

She just stood out very much,

0:42:020:42:03

and she was actually one of my godfather's favourites.

0:42:030:42:07

-He was very much into hunting.

-And it's Diana the Huntress.

0:42:070:42:10

So, classical figure. It's really, really nice. I like this.

0:42:100:42:14

It's beautifully carved.

0:42:140:42:15

It's typically late 19th in style

0:42:150:42:18

and the modelling of the features.

0:42:180:42:20

Let's find out what this auction room thinks.

0:42:200:42:22

There's a lot of bidders. Here we go.

0:42:220:42:24

Lot 105, the carved ivory classical figure of the huntress and hound.

0:42:240:42:31

One, two, three, four commissioned bids here.

0:42:310:42:33

Fantastic! Fantastic!

0:42:330:42:36

Straight in at £700.

0:42:360:42:39

Yes! £700!

0:42:390:42:43

At £700 and selling. Is there 20?

0:42:430:42:46

-At £700.

-Straight in at £700.

0:42:460:42:49

At £700, are you all done?

0:42:490:42:51

At £700, commissioned bid, for the very last time...

0:42:510:42:54

Well, I never. Three commissioned bids,

0:42:540:42:56

straight in on the highest one, £700.

0:42:560:42:58

Has that changed your mind about the rest of the collection?

0:42:580:43:01

If they're all worth somewhere around that region,

0:43:010:43:03

you're in for a lot of money.

0:43:030:43:04

-I think I need Michael's advice on the rest.

-Take Michael's advice.

0:43:040:43:08

Slowly, slowly, but, yes, sell them.

0:43:080:43:11

We've come to the end of our day, and I tell you what,

0:43:160:43:18

you can never guarantee what's going to happen in an auction room. That is the beauty of them.

0:43:180:43:23

If you fancy having a go yourself, if you've got any unwanted antiques and collectables,

0:43:230:43:27

we would love to see you.

0:43:270:43:28

Bring them along to one of our valuation days.

0:43:280:43:30

As you can see, it's not just about antiques and collectables.

0:43:300:43:34

It can be about gypsy caravans and garden furniture.

0:43:340:43:36

If you've got it, we would love to sell it.

0:43:360:43:39

Details are on our BBC website, and if you don't have a computer,

0:43:390:43:42

check the details in your local press,

0:43:420:43:44

because we're coming to a town very near you soon.

0:43:440:43:47

Until then, from Hampshire, it's goodbye from all of us.

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