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Today, we're surrounding ourselves with naval aviation history.

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World War II's most enduring campaign was fought at sea,

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because of the huge developments in engineering and design.

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It was the first time planes were deployed from carriers

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on such a scale.

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But it tragically resulted in the loss of over 60,000 lives.

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It's 70 years since the Battle of the Atlantic

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and the generation who fought in that war

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will always be remembered for their bravery.

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We're at the Fleet Air Arm Museum in Somerset,

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where naval aviation history is brought to life.

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Welcome to Flog It!

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Here, at the Fleet Air Arm Museum,

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there's a wealth of naval aviation history, stretching over 100 years.

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What you see on display is only a fraction of the collection,

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which is housed in giant hangars.

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Aircraft are stored on site,

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so that they can be brought out for the constantly changing exhibitions.

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Every aeroplane or helicopter you see will have a story to tell.

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These military aircraft, designed to launch from ships,

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have all seen action over the course of the past century.

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Well, let's hope there's lots of action here, today,

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when this lot step inside with their antiques and collectables.

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And we've our very own commanding officers of the antiques world

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navigating their way through today's valuations.

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Always one to steer a clear course, Charlie Ross.

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Not often you find a refugee in the queue!

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And a man not so in command of his antiques knowledge right now,

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Thomas Plant.

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You see, I don't know the actual structure of vulcanite...

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-I thought you were the expert!

-Well...

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-It's a gas mask.

-Oh! Look at that.

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Our "Flog It!" crowd have descended upon the Fleet Air Arm Museum

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from across the county today,

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to get their antiques and collectables valued by our experts,

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who will be working hard, both on screen and off

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to offer up their expertise.

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Coming up in today's show, we've two items from our aviation history

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and with the help of the museum,

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we discover some ground-breaking new information about one of them.

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Well, now that our "Flog It!" fleet is in position,

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let us go down there and catch up with our experts

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and see what we can find to take off to auction.

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It's over to local West Country boy, Thomas Plant,

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who is sat beneath the first British-built Concorde.

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-So, it's Chris?

-It is, yes.

-And Linda?

-It is.

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-And you're fellow Bristolians.

-Yes.

-Correct.

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We're like the Three Musketeers from Bristol.

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So, why have you come to Yeovil from Bristol?

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Because we thought it was the ideal place to come

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with these particular items.

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-We're looking at these aeroplane timepieces.

-Yeah.

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Tell me, how did you come by them?

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My father, during all his career,

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worked at Filton in the aircraft industry,

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mainly on the engine side, but, during the war,

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he was able to purchase these from the company,

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because when the aeroplanes were brought in, they were refurbished,

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bits and pieces were taken out.

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But your father used them as a clock beside his bed,

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-because they lit up in the night.

-The luminous hands.

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Yes. So, he used it as his bedside clock.

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What was your father's involvement within Filton?

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-Was he a repairer, an engineer?

-He was a toolmaker.

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Did you follow him into the business?

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I worked there during all my career.

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-Within Filton?

-Not within Filton, the last ten years within Filton.

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So you never saw this being built in Filton? The wings were built there.

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I was responsible for building wings on the A400M military aircraft.

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But your father, he was a protected occupation.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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How did he feel about that, did he ever talk about that?

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He didn't talk a lot about it,

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-because he worked on a lot of secret stuff.

-Did he?

-During the war.

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So, these could have come off a secret plane?

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I wouldn't think so!

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We could romanticise!

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One is slightly earlier than the other,

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-the bigger one is earlier.

-Is it?

-It will be earlier.

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The design is very similar with the luminous hands,

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this one is made by the Goldsmiths & Silversmiths company.

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-It's made by the same company.

-Yes, they both have AM

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-on the back, don't they?

-Yeah.

-Air Ministry.

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-Yeah.

-And the George VI crown.

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-So, the King's crown on there.

-Yeah.

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So, they're all fully marked up and the provenance

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is second to none, coming straight from your father.

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Did they keep good time?

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They used to and one of them does still work.

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-I don't think they're broken...

-They're still ticking.

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They haven't been used for such a long time.

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-He did wind them up, just now.

-Yeah.

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Are you going to be sad to let these go?

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Erm, not really, no. They're no sentimental value.

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Erm, as I said, I thought it was a very interesting place to bring it.

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We have two daughters with no interest in it, whatsoever.

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I think, if we put these in together

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as two aircraft war issue timepieces,

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I would suggest an estimate of 120 to 180 on them.

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-OK.

-Is that all right?

-Yeah, that's fine.

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Put a discretionary reserve on it at 120,

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so we'll see you at the auction, yeah?

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-Lovely.

-Yes.

-Thank you very much.

-OK, thank you.

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Two quirky little clocks from our aviation history there.

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Now, is it time for tea at Charlie's table?

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I bet you've never used this!

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No, I haven't. It's been in a cardboard box for about 30 years.

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-In a cardboard box for 30 years?

-In the attic.

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-Was it a present?

-It was my father's.

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When Father died, we cleared the house out,

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put it in a box, forgot all about it!

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CHARLIE LAUGHS

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What made you remember you had it? Flog It!?

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No, we cleared out some boxes the other day and I said,

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-"Well, I'm going to get rid of that!"

-Yeah.

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You don't want it, do you? You don't use it.

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-No.

-Do you know what it is?

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-No, I don't.

-It's a bit of a mystery, this one, for me.

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-You reckon?

-Because of the spout.

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I looked at it and I thought, "Is this a teapot?"

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-Certainly not a teapot.

-No.

-Is it a coffee pot?

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Not a coffee pot.

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-And I wondered whether it was a hot water jug.

-Or a chocolate pot.

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Or a chocolate pot. Could well be a chocolate pot.

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Chocolate pot isn't a bad suggestion,

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because I think with the spout at the bottom, you see,

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if you had hot chocolate,

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the only gubbins you'd have would be the skim on the top,

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so you'd not actually pour the skim if the spout started at the bottom.

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Yeah.

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So, I think a chocolate pot isn't a bad idea.

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It's a very, very pleasing shape.

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-It's made of silver, did you know that?

-I was hoping, yeah.

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I saw the marking on it.

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It's got a Britannia mark on it.

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Do you know how old it is?

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-No, I don't.

-It's 1910.

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-Is that right?

-So, it's over 100 years old.

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Is that right?

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Because the lid is a separate piece of silver,

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it should have a hallmark on it itself.

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So, if we lift up the lid...

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-and cast our eyes around it.

-Have we got one?

-There we go.

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-Can you see that?

-Oh, yeah.

-We've got a mark there.

-Yeah.

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Sometimes a lid goes missing or becomes damaged

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and somebody puts another lid on it

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and that would detract from the value.

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There are a couple of intriguing features, I love the handle.

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-Yeah.

-I think it's a fruitwood,

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it's probably apple or pear, something like that.

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-It could be cherry, couldn't it?

-Yeah, it could be cherrywood, yeah.

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The monogram puzzles me, here.

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We seem to have got a C, have we?

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And an M, and a W, I can't tell you in what order they are.

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-No, no.

-It would be very difficult...

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And take huge amount of time to try and research something like that.

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Do you think it's a regiment or not?

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No, I don't think it's regimental, I think that's a family crest.

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-Yeah.

-Without a doubt.

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The thing that, sort of, threw me, other than what it might be

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and we think probably chocolate, is the weight of it.

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-Oh, yeah.

-When I picked it up, I thought, "Hello!

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"We've got some value here!"

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-Yeah.

-This is a serious gauged bit of silver

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and then I turned it upside down...

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Lead. Lots and lots of lead.

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That must have been put in when they were made, surely?

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I think it was probably put in when it was made.

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I mean, it helps keep it upright and makes it much more secure.

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Big question, what's it worth?

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I don't know, you tell me!

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-I think it's worth between £100 and £150.

-Yeah.

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Happy enough with that?

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I'd have been happier if you told me it was one million!

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LAUGHTER

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I can buy some chocolate now, won't I?

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This has to be my favourite exhibit in the whole museum,

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the Sopwith Pup, a First World War biplane

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and for many people, it's considered the most perfect plane ever.

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Now, it's a piece of sculpture, it's PRICELESS,

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absolutely priceless, but we have to remember,

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it's not all about the aircraft here,

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it's also about the brave men who took many risks

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flying these aircraft for their country.

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World War I was the first war fought from the air

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and only four years ago, its last veteran, Henry Allingham,

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the oldest ever survivor of the Royal Naval Air Force, died.

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He was 113 years old.

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And it was only after his death that Henry's grandsons

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found his medals at the bottom of his toolbox

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and here they are, look, two medals from the First World War,

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shown in the condition that Henry had left them,

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very much the attitude of a lot of soldiers

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who fought during the First World War.

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I think he wanted to bury them away,

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so he could bury his memories away as well.

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And like most of his contemporaries,

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Henry had kept quiet about the horrific experiences of the war,

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only speaking out towards the end of his long life.

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I pay homage to those men.

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Very much.

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Can't help it.

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And the Fleet Air Museum feels it is important to honour

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the sentiments of Henry, and many of his generation,

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who were the first to fight a war from the air.

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It's a wonderful tribute to such a brave man.

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On "Flog It!" we're fortunate enough to come across pieces

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relating to World War I relatively often.

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But it's very rare that we discover

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an item dating back to the 17th century English Civil War.

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-So, Michael, where are you from?

-Sherborne.

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-Sherborne, that's not very far away, is it?

-No.

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About five miles.

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And we've got this sort of leatherette folder,

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this sort of Italian folio folder, which is probably 1930s.

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But there's something else inside -

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do you want to tell me what's inside here?

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A document, or a letter, from

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Thomas Fairfax, of the taking of Sherborne Castle.

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Real local interest - and there it is!

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It's a Thomas Fairfax letter, to the Honourable William Lenthall Esq.,

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Speaker of the House of Commons,

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concerning the taking of Sherborne Castle, with 16 pieces of ordnance,

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one mortar piece, 344 common soldiers.

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So...

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this is quite interesting. Dated August 19th, 1645.

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-This is the English Civil War.

-Yeah.

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400 years ago. So,

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the only time we've had blood spilt in our country

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-in this type of civil war...

-Type of civil war.

-..ever.

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Sir Thomas Fairfax - was he a royalist?

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-I don't know.

-No, I don't know.

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-Do you know?

-I don't know which side he was on.

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-Roundhead or a Cavalier?! Ha-ha!

-Cavalier, yeah!

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So, where did you find it?

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Well, it was my uncle's. Years and years ago,

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he gave it to me when he had to move into the almshouses in Sherborne.

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-So, he had it...?

-He had it, just with a lot of other bits and pieces

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and things and that, that I had off of him.

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-All I know, I've had it about 50 years.

-Ah!

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You've had it about 50 years - it IS in remarkable condition.

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If we just flip it over, you've got the list of prisoners

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of war taken at Sherborne Castle on the 15th August, 1645.

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Seven pages. Very interesting.

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It's obviously - it is a Parliamentarian letter.

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-I don't know how rare it is.

-No.

-I would have thought,

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it's a bit like these commemorative pamphlets you get

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now, or these information documents - this probably would have been

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quite widely produced.

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But you've kept it in good condition.

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What do you think it's worth?

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I just haven't got a clue.

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It's one of those things where I don't know the value.

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I find it fascinating, it's quirky, I love the history behind it,

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and I like the local interest.

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As it's old, it has a value, and I would say, well...

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it's got to be tried at £100.

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-Yes, yeah, fine.

-Put it at 80-100.

-Yeah.

-Reserve it at 50...

-Yeah.

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-..and I think we should have a good result at the auction house.

-Yeah.

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Yeah, that's fine.

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To answer your question, Thomas,

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Sir Thomas Fairfax was a Roundhead, that's a Parliamentarian,

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who fought against the Cavaliers, and they were the Royalists,

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during the English Civil War.

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Well, there you are, that's our third item found.

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We can now cross to the auction room for the first time today

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and put those valuations to the test. Here's a quick recap,

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just to jog your memory of what we're taking with us.

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Time for a new home for Chris and Linda's

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World War II aircraft clocks.

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You don't need to be a chocoholic to appreciate Bernard's silver pot.

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Hopefully, it'll be going to a lover of neoclassical design.

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And will Michael's unusual Parliamentarian letter

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written by Sir Thomas Fairfax appeal to a local historian?

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Today, our auctioneers are in the small Somerset town of Bridgwater.

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It was here that over 6,000 evacuees arrived during World War II.

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Many had travelled from the East End of London,

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and arriving in Bridgwater must have been quite a shock.

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Fast forward 70 years, and it's time for us to head over

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to Tamlyns, where Claire Rawle, our auctioneer for today,

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has taken her position on the rostrum.

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And right now, it's time to catch up with our first seller.

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Michael, this is fascinating. It's the oldest thing in the sale today.

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1645 - Sir Thomas Fairfax, a Parliamentarian letter.

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-Hard thing to value.

-Really hard thing to value.

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-Uber hard.

-Yeah - brave one.

-It might not sell,

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but we've put a little amount of money on it,

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-and you're getting a lot for your money, I think.

-Yeah.

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It's up for sale, and YOU could buy it,

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and it's going under the hammer right now.

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The Sir Thomas Fairfax letter.

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There we are.

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Concerning the taking of Sherborne!

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Lot 292. And this one, we start away at £42.

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At 42, do I see five anywhere? Bids at 42?

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At 42, now, five? At 42?

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45 on the internet, 48 here.

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At 48, now 50 out there.

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We've got interest on the internet, look.

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-Yep, somebody's seen it.

-At £50, internet bid at 50.

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At £50, five. At 55. 60.

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At £60. Now five.

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At 65. At 70...

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It's going, isn't it? It's going.

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At 75. 80. Now five?

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£80 it is at the moment. At £80 - on the internet at £80.

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Now five? At £80 still. Are you all done at £80?

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-Done and dusted!

-Well done.

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-Brilliant.

-It's gone.

-It's gone.

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-Are you happy?

-Yeah, it's fine, yeah.

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Michael's letter went to a private buyer.

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Now, let's hope a silver collector

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warms to Bernard's lovely chocolate pot.

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Fingers crossed, Bernard. Your silver chocolate pot's

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just about to go under the hammer.

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As Charlie said at the valuation, difficult to weigh, this one,

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-because there's so much lead in the base of it.

-Yeah.

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Nevertheless, it looks quality - I do like this.

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I think this would have been part of a five- or six-piece set...

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-Definitely.

-..in a boxed set. Quality.

-Good luck, Bernard.

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This is it - this is what we've been waiting for.

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Lot 92, the chocolate pot.

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Showing to you there. Early-type design, lot 92.

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And this one I start away at £65. At 65 - do I see 70 anywhere?

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70. Five. 80. Five. 90. Five.

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100. In the room now at 100.

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-110. 120. 130...

-Ooh!

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..140...

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-150.

-Better than being in the attic!

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-That's true.

-160 bid's up here.

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At £160 - are you all done? It's going to sell for 160...

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Yes! That one's gone.

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-Yeah.

-That's all right.

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Considering the damage and the fact that it was late.

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Not particularly popular - what is someone going to do with it?

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I don't know - look for the rest of the set?

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Go up in to Bernard's attic!

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Having the whole set would have made it very sweet indeed,

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but it did go above estimate.

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Time's up for those World War II aeroplane clocks.

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Will this next lot fly away? Two aircraft timepieces -

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hopefully they will. Chris and Linda, it's great to see you.

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-Now, I know you worked at Filton.

-That's right.

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-So you've got a passion for aircraft.

-Yeah.

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And it was wonderful to see aircraft memorabilia

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coming into our valuation day.

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-We were all excited about that, weren't we?

-Oh, yeah.

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We don't know where these dials are from - it could be from...

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It could be from a Hurricane, or from a Spitfire, we don't know.

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Hopefully there's somebody out there that does, and they're here

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right now to buy it. It's going under the hammer, this is it.

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152, the World War II period - and they ARE period -

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nice aircraft timepieces,

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and these I'm going to start away at £85.

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AT 85. Do I see 90 anywhere? Bid's with me at 85.

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At £85. Now 90.

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At 90. 95. 100.

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110. 120 in the room.

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At 120. Got a room bid at 120. So, 130 out there?

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-Good, yes.

-130 I have. 140 in the room.

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At £140. 150. 160.

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At 160. One seven... 170.

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180. At 180. At £180...

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190.

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£200. At £200.

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220 out there? At £200 - are you all done then?

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They're going to sell at £200...

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-Great result.

-Wonderful.

-Just goes to show,

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history...to do with aviation...

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Your dad would be pleased as well, wouldn't he? He would be, yeah.

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Result.

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I love the fact that Chris's dad used these old clocks

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on each side of his bed.

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I hope today's buyer finds an equally original place

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for these wonderful World War II items.

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Don't forget, if you want to sell anything at auction,

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you'll need to pay commission, and here, it's 15% plus VAT.

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That concludes our first visit to the saleroom today -

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so far, so good.

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Before I return to Yeovilton to join up with our experts

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to find more items to put under the hammer,

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I'm going to take you behind the scenes of the museum

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on a little guided tour.

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This is Cobham Hall, the museum's reserve store,

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where all the new arrivals are brought.

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And as you can see, there's quite a lot of them.

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They're here with numerous miscellaneous aircraft parts,

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items that currently aren't in exhibition.

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But everything you see here is meticulously itemised and logged.

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What interests me are the incredible human stories

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that lie behind these aircraft,

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and how a new way of working is helping to rediscover them.

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Now, this Harrier Jump Jet may not look like history,

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but in the ever-changing world of military aviation,

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it already is - it was decommissioned in 2010.

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Now, if you look inside that cockpit, I've been told

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there's lots of grains of sand from the pilot's boot.

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And it's these little visual marks that evoke the human stories

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that are involved in and around these aircraft that's so important.

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Looking at it today, I really hope it will be preserved

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as it is now for future generations to see.

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It's so evocative looking at an item that exudes its history.

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I've arranged to meet up with Dave Morris,

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Curator of Aircraft here at the Fleet Air Arm Museum.

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He is globally pioneering a whole new way of restoring aircraft.

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What IS your approach to, let's say, conservation, or restoration?

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That's a really interesting one,

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because we're trying to look carefully at what those words mean -

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-conservation, restoration, preservation...

-Yeah.

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If you're lucky enough to be given Constable's Haywain

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or Botticelli's Venus or a Chippendale table...

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-You leave it well alone.

-You wouldn't necessarily

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-just race for the paint pot, I hope.

-No.

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But a lot of 20th century mechanical objects have suffered in that way.

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Let's take the Harrier Jump Jet - we've ended up here.

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That looks to me like it's in pretty much original condition

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-and you haven't touched that yet.

-It is exactly why

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we selected that, when it became available.

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It's straight from, erm,

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its last theatre of war operation in Afghanistan,

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and exactly how we would want to now look at keeping an object -

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-straight from use.

-Is this a new way of thinking,

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or has this policy been in place for quite a few years?

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The more detailed work that we're getting into, where we're actually

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carefully looking at our objects and in some instances

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un-painting them - quite literally taking paint layers back,

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millimetre by millimetre,

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to expose original finishes and history from beneath -

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that's quite new, and it's something

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we've been involved with now since the year 2000.

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What was the first plane you worked on in that way?

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The first project that we took in that direction

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was the World War II Chance Vought Corsair fighter,

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which again has been in the collection for many years,

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had obviously been repainted during the 1960s,

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but the more we investigated it, the more we started to believe

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that beneath that 1960s paint,

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it looked like it had a lot, if not all,

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of its original 1944 paintwork intact.

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And that's what you're looking for, that real human DNA,

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the people that actually built that in the first place and gave it

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-its first paint job...

-You can paint it as many times as you like,

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but it's only original once.

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Talking to Dave and stepping into his world

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makes me think of a forensic scientist.

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And in many ways, that's exactly what he is.

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I know in a moment, you're going to show me

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something you're currently working on. But first, tell me about this,

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because this is early naval aviation history, isn't it -

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the Seaplane Lighter...?

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Absolutely - this dates back to World War I.

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It is a purpose-built vessel for carrying a sea plane.

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So, basically, it's an iron-hulled barge, isn't it,

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that you put a seaplane on and towed?

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It is, but more significant than that,

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it was the first time that the Admiralty had actually

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ordered from a company a vessel to carry an airplane at sea.

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-In other words - an aircraft carrier.

-Right.

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-So, you have to consider this to be...

-A first.

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..the start point of where the modern aircraft carrier begins.

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Unbelievable! How many of these have survived?

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We have the only one known to exist, as a complete Seaplane Lighter.

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-Where did you find it?

-Well, fortunately,

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somebody who was a ships historian and enthusiast in that part

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of the River Thames, where it was operating as a flat-top Thames barge,

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identified it, recognised it, they wrote us a letter and said,

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"We think we've seen a World War I Seaplane Lighter

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"still being used on the Thames."

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And that was recently?

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1996 was when they pointed it out.

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-So it was still afloat in 1996?

-Still being used, still afloat.

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And we were lucky to get it released from the company

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and bring it in to storage here.

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If we hadn't been tipped off and hadn't acted on it,

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-it would have literally been cut up for scrap.

-Wow.

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How lucky, how lucky! And here we are standing on it.

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The Seaplane Lighter has been painstakingly restored

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over the past 17 years

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to reveal as much of its original identity as possible.

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The aeroplane that Dave is currently restoring

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is the only remaining one of its kind.

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And during World War II, it might have changed history for ever.

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The French commissioned a fleet of the American-made

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Grumman Martlets, but with the Nazi occupation of Paris,

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there was a very real threat

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that the aeroplanes would end up in German hands.

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Miraculously, word got out in time,

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and the contract was transferred to the British.

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Today, Dave is working in a way that will reveal

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as much of the aeroplane's story as possible.

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You've brought me to this section of wing -

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what are you going to show me?

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Here is a good example of the type of thing we're discovering.

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People often say, "So, what is the point, what are you finding,

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"why do you do this?"

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And again, it's tracking back through the object's history.

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You'll see lots of different layers and different colours here,

0:24:530:24:56

where we now have understood through research which colour

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relates to what date of the aircraft.

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The Americans used this aeroplane extensively during World War II.

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And colour footage does exist of their fleets.

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Sadly, nothing has been found of the British using the Grumman Martlet,

0:25:080:25:13

making Dave's work even more important.

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And then things like this green scrape here.

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-There's quite a definite...

-It goes right along, doesn't it?

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There's quite a lot of speed attached to that scrape there.

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And it's dark green. We've had that chemically analysed,

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and it matches identically the green on the upper surface of the wing.

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So, what caused that, then, two wings colliding?

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It can only be that it's run across the wing tip

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of another Grumman Martlet -

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one of the other aircraft on the squadron.

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A landing accident or a taxiing accident, maybe on a carrier

0:25:410:25:44

or an airfield - we don't know.

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But now we can start tracking that further

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because we know that the lighter colour dates from April 1941 -

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and of course, the green stripe is below that,

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-so it has to pre-date April '41.

-Yes.

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That puts it on one of two squadrons, so we can now start looking

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at those squadron records, and seeing if we can fine-tune

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-the research.

-Good detective work!

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That's exciting, isn't it?

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We're beginning literally to get under the skin of the object.

0:26:090:26:12

Scrape some off - I see you've got a little scalpel in your hand.

0:26:120:26:15

-A tiny blade...

-You find an edge that starts to go...

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So you're taking the dark blue off now.

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Yes, we're getting rid of the dark blue,

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and the silver coat, which is immediately beneath the dark blue...

0:26:210:26:24

I was going to have a go, to say I've done something, but I don't

0:26:240:26:27

-want to take off the cream, so...

-Well...

0:26:270:26:29

-Oh, look, there's a bit, look.

-Find an edge, and see how you...

0:26:290:26:32

-Shall I just keep scraping?

-Just keep going with the blue.

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Just keep going with the blue. That's fine.

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'You have to admire Dave's commitment,

0:26:370:26:40

'given that he's already spent seven years working on this aircraft,

0:26:400:26:43

'and it's not finished yet.

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'But when it IS done, this aeroplane

0:26:450:26:47

'really will have been brought back to life.'

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I'm part of a generation who has known men who flew planes like this,

0:26:500:26:54

risking their lives during World War II. And sadly,

0:26:540:26:56

as that generation leaves us, it's more important then ever now

0:26:560:26:59

to remember their history, and their contribution,

0:26:590:27:03

so the next generation can understand - and learn.

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Welcome back to the main exhibition hall,

0:27:130:27:15

where hundreds of "Flog It!" fans are waiting

0:27:150:27:17

to get their antiques and collectibles valued.

0:27:170:27:21

As you can see, we're filming inside the Fleet Air Arm Museum,

0:27:210:27:24

but if you follow me, look... you can see,

0:27:240:27:26

it's actually situated on a working military naval aviation base.

0:27:260:27:31

There's helicopters and jets taking off all the time,

0:27:310:27:35

coming and going. There's 4,500 personnel stationed here.

0:27:350:27:38

It's the largest in the country, and it's quite an exciting environment,

0:27:380:27:42

so let's now catch up with our experts back inside.

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First up, it's Charlie Ross, who has his work cut out

0:27:460:27:49

getting through this next item.

0:27:490:27:50

Muriel, how perfectly charming!

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Did you start with a bracelet and then add these yourself, or...?

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Yes, I did buy the bracelet, and then...that was about

0:27:570:28:00

1957, I think. And then I started adding charms from then on.

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Presumably each one tells a tale?

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The foreign ones do, because it's all the different countries that

0:28:060:28:09

-I visited...

-Well, I can have a guess here.

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-You've been to Paris...

-Yes, there's the Eiffel Tower.

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-The Eiffel Tower.

-And a cuckoo clock.

-Cuckoo clock.

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Austria, Switzerland?

0:28:160:28:18

-Erm, yes, erm...

-Do you know what I like best here...?

0:28:180:28:20

-There's an edelweiss from Switzerland.

-Yes.

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Look at this. Look at this, Muriel!

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A working mincer!

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Yes, I can't remember where that one came from!

0:28:300:28:33

-A kitchen!

-Yeah, true!

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It's really a fantastic collection - do you know how many there are?

0:28:360:28:40

-I think there's 30.

-32.

0:28:400:28:42

-Oh, right!

-I had a count when you weren't looking!

-Oh, right!

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-32 of them.

-Yes.

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They went right out of fashion and I think people used to just

0:28:480:28:51

-melt them down because of the value of the gold.

-Yes, yes.

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-But although gold value has gone up, people DO collect them now.

-Yes.

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And if you really want to collect gold charms and you haven't got one,

0:28:580:29:02

-well...

-That's right.

-..you've got no duplications here at all,

0:29:020:29:05

-have you, I don't think?

-No, I don't think there is, no.

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-There aren't.

-They're all nine-carat gold...

-Yes.

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-..so they're a lower... of the grade of gold.

-Yes.

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-But what about value?

-I thought maybe it was worth 150-200,

0:29:130:29:17

-but I don't know.

-We can multiply your 150 by four.

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-Really?

-How about that?!

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Might be able to go on another holiday, then, mightn't I?!

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-No, don't, because you'll start buying more gold charms!

-I know!

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-Well, obviously you want to sell it...

-Yes.

-..and presumably,

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-given your valuation, you're quite pleased to see it...?

-Yes, yes.

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Yes. I didn't come with the purpose of selling it in the first place,

0:29:350:29:39

-because we brought other things, but...

-Yeah.

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But the price has tickled you, hasn't it?

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-Well, I think it might have, yes.

-Yes!

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-Well, I think 700-900, I really do.

-Really?

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-My goodness me!

-I do!

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-And I'm going to put a reserve of 700 with discretion on it.

-Right.

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So if we get bid 650 and not more,

0:29:540:29:57

-we would sell it...

-Yes.

-..and I think we're very happy at 700-900.

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-Well, yes, so am I, then!

-So are you! That makes two of us!

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Yeah!

0:30:040:30:05

And it looks like Charlie's not the only one with magpie tendencies.

0:30:050:30:09

Thomas has homed in on an unusual necklace

0:30:090:30:12

he spotted in the queue earlier.

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Catherine.

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Thank you for bringing in this fantastic piece of

0:30:160:30:19

late 19th century vulcanite jewellery.

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Tell me, is it something you've had for some time?

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It belonged to my mother.

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She had a collection of Victorian and Edwardian costumes.

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I don't know who gave it to her, or whether she purchased it.

0:30:310:30:34

But when my mum had this collection,

0:30:340:30:37

she would take them around to various village halls and things,

0:30:370:30:40

to raise money.

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-For what?

-It went to the local hospital.

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-Really?

-Yes.

-Oh, fascinating.

0:30:450:30:47

And there were a group of us who wore the costumes,

0:30:470:30:50

and this was one of the necklaces that I used to wear.

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-And was it against a black costume?

-Yes, a black...

0:30:530:30:56

-It's mourning jewellery.

-A black-beaded costume.

-Yep.

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So, vulcanite is... it's like an early plastic.

0:30:590:31:02

Goodyear was the man who sort of invented it.

0:31:020:31:05

-Right.

-And it's a mixture of sulphur and Indian rubber.

0:31:050:31:10

Melted...and mixed,

0:31:100:31:13

it makes this sort of resin which then gets moulded.

0:31:130:31:15

I don't know what the grapes represent, the grape and vine...

0:31:150:31:19

And the interesting thing about this is that this is

0:31:190:31:23

the poorer relation to jet.

0:31:230:31:25

So, Whitby Jet, which took that high polish,

0:31:250:31:28

and was very dark and very popular in the 19th century -

0:31:280:31:31

-but extremely expensive.

-Mmm.

0:31:310:31:33

This was its, sort of, simulant, so to speak.

0:31:330:31:37

It's quite dull, actually, isn't it, really?

0:31:370:31:39

-It hasn't got that lovely shine.

-I think it would have had that shine.

0:31:390:31:43

All things of rubber, they do deteriorate over time.

0:31:430:31:46

But it's a super, big, bold piece, isn't it?

0:31:460:31:49

-Yes, it is lovely.

-When you're thinking of Victorian jewellery,

0:31:490:31:52

-that's what you want.

-Mmm.

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-It's exciting.

-Yes.

0:31:540:31:55

-Do you like it?

-Yes, I do.

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-I do like it.

-Why is it here on this table with me,

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-about to sell it?

-It's just in a box...

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and I wanted to come to Flog It!

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-This has got collectors for.

-Yes.

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-Certainly people who collect early plastics or composites.

-Mmm.

0:32:080:32:11

I think it's worth...

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..typical auctioneer's estimate,

0:32:140:32:17

-100-120. That's what

-I

-would like to put -

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that's what I THINK it's worth. With regards to a reserve,

0:32:200:32:23

I think one should put a sensible reserve of about

0:32:230:32:26

-£80 on it - to fix it at 80.

-Mmm.

0:32:260:32:29

If it doesn't sell for 80,

0:32:290:32:31

I think you'd be pleased to keep it, wouldn't you?

0:32:310:32:33

Yes. Yes, that would be fine.

0:32:330:32:36

And in case you're wondering,

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Charles Goodyear, who invented vulcanite,

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ended up having a whole brand of tyres named in his honour.

0:32:390:32:43

And Goodyear tyres are still going strong today.

0:32:430:32:46

What's so fantastic about this venue

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is that there are gems everywhere you look.

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And while Charlie and Thomas were in full flow with their valuations,

0:32:530:32:56

I took the opportunity to explore.

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Now, isn't this fascinating? Do you know what it's called?

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Well, if you don't, I can tell you - it's the Supermarine Walrus.

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It first came into service in 1935, and it was built in Southampton.

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And depending on which way you look at it,

0:33:110:33:13

it can either be a flying boat or an amphibious biplane.

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It was designed to take off and land at sea.

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Its roles were to rescue people and for reconnaissance.

0:33:190:33:23

And I love the way the wings fold back as a space-saving device.

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And incidentally, for it to get back on board the ship,

0:33:260:33:29

it had to be hoisted up by crane.

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And to take off, it would be launched by catapult.

0:33:310:33:34

One of the little design features I absolutely love about it

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is, its back wheel also acts...

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as an underwater rudder - how clever is that?!

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Designed in 1935.

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How quickly our aviation history moved

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during the first half of the 20th century!

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Take a look at our next item.

0:33:520:33:54

Caroline, I've been sitting here amongst aeroplanes all day

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waiting to have something that's related to the planes -

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and you've satisfied my need here,

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-with this album, which you've brought from home?

-Yes.

0:34:020:34:05

Has it been in pride of place?

0:34:050:34:08

No, it's hidden away on the book shelves.

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I'm intrigued by the photographs inside this album.

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Have you got a connection with the RAF at all?

0:34:150:34:17

-Not at all, no.

-So how did you come by the album?

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-We lived in Windsor...

-Right.

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..and my next-door neighbour, he was in the Royal Flying Corps.

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I think it was a gift to my small son,

0:34:250:34:28

when he was mad on aeroplanes.

0:34:280:34:31

Does he know you've brought it along here today?

0:34:310:34:33

-He does, yes.

-Is he happy with that?

-Yes.

0:34:330:34:35

-Oh, fine.

-Yes!

-There's no real relation, is there,

0:34:350:34:38

between Germany and the donor of the item?

0:34:380:34:41

My son thought that a lot of these old flyers and soldiers

0:34:410:34:45

-brought back souvenirs.

-Yeah.

0:34:450:34:47

-Interesting.

-Yes.

-There is a photograph here which intrigues me,

0:34:470:34:52

which is of an aeroplane

0:34:520:34:56

that has seen better days and has crashed -

0:34:560:34:58

-the remains of a Fokker triplane.

-Yes.

0:34:580:35:00

-That's a really interesting photograph. It would be interesting to know the history.

-Crumpled.

0:35:000:35:05

Completely crumpled! And here's a wonderful... Much, much later.

0:35:050:35:09

We're into the 1930s here, with the Schneider Trophy

0:35:090:35:13

that held the world speed record.

0:35:130:35:15

380 mph - that's a heck of a speed in the 1930s, isn't it?

0:35:150:35:22

I think these are a wonderful record of planes

0:35:220:35:26

and for someone that's as keen now as your son was then

0:35:260:35:30

would love to have it. Value?

0:35:300:35:32

I don't think that the album is worth more than perhaps £30 to £50.

0:35:320:35:35

I don't know if you're happy to sell it for that sort of figure?

0:35:350:35:38

-Yes, it's going to charity.

-It's going to charity, is it?

0:35:380:35:41

-What charity?

-Help The Heroes.

0:35:410:35:43

That's wonderful and very apposite really

0:35:430:35:46

that the proceeds of something like this goes to Help The Heroes.

0:35:460:35:50

-That's right.

-So we need to get more than £30 then, £50, £100!

0:35:500:35:54

-I think £30-£50's the right estimate.

-Good.

0:35:540:35:57

Thank you very much for bringing them. I wish I knew more about aeroplanes and could tell you.

0:35:570:36:01

Perhaps we might find the curator later on and get him to fill us in.

0:36:010:36:05

And fill us in he did!

0:36:050:36:07

But before I catch up with auctioneer Claire Rawle about this intriguing album,

0:36:070:36:11

it's time to say goodbye to the Fleet Air Arm Museum

0:36:110:36:14

and the naval base here in Yeovilton,

0:36:140:36:17

before we head off to the auction room for the last time.

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Here's a quick reminder of what we're taking with us.

0:36:190:36:23

All that glitters is gold, but will Muriel's bracelet charm the buyers?

0:36:230:36:28

A late 19th-century mourning necklace,

0:36:300:36:33

but is it a good year for selling vulcanite?

0:36:330:36:35

And will the collectors home in on the photo album

0:36:380:36:40

of early 20th-century aeroplanes?

0:36:400:36:43

Time to catch up with Claire

0:36:450:36:47

about the item that's got everyone talking.

0:36:470:36:50

-Now, this is quite exciting.

-I love this.

-I do as well,

0:36:520:36:56

one of my favourite items of the day. It belongs to Caroline,

0:36:560:36:59

and it's an album of First World War aircraft.

0:36:590:37:03

Now, the museum curator back at the airbase, Graham,

0:37:030:37:06

had a flick through this

0:37:060:37:08

and got quite excited about one particular photograph.

0:37:080:37:12

Now, there is a wreckage of a Fokker triplane with a date on it

0:37:120:37:17

and if you look up there, "23rd April, 1918".

0:37:170:37:21

It was shot down at an airfield around the Somme,

0:37:210:37:24

-which is where this was taken.

-Yeah, so we're thinking...?

0:37:240:37:27

We're thinking, we're putting two and two together

0:37:270:37:30

-and coming up with five.

-That's certainly Red Baron territory.

0:37:300:37:33

Could be, couldn't it? Which was shot down,

0:37:330:37:36

I think, on the 21st April 1918.

0:37:360:37:39

-The dates coincide, don't they?

-I think it probably is.

0:37:400:37:45

-I think so as well.

-He knows his stuff as well, the curator,

0:37:450:37:48

let's face it, he's going to know that.

0:37:480:37:50

When I saw this, I thought anyway it was going to make good money.

0:37:500:37:54

Some brilliant images in here, they're all genuine of their age.

0:37:540:37:58

They're all genuine 1918, when they were taken, they're not copies.

0:37:580:38:02

Then, as soon as this came to light, you think, OK, it's... It should do.

0:38:020:38:07

-It's really nice.

-OK, big question we all want to know,

0:38:070:38:11

especially the viewers at home -

0:38:110:38:13

-has there been a lot of interest?

-Yeah, there has.

0:38:130:38:16

-Has there?

-We have got quite a bit of interest,

0:38:160:38:19

so we'll keep that surprise for later.

0:38:190:38:22

That photograph is the wreckage of the Red Baron,

0:38:220:38:26

the WWI German fighter pilot

0:38:260:38:27

whose name came from his aristocratic background

0:38:270:38:31

and distinctive red Fokker biplane.

0:38:310:38:33

He was revered by both sides

0:38:330:38:35

and is probably the most widely known fighter pilot of all time.

0:38:350:38:39

Well, it's auction time and I really hope our first item,

0:38:410:38:44

so laden with personal history, makes its money today.

0:38:440:38:48

Going under the hammer right now, Muriel's charm bracelet.

0:38:480:38:52

It's nine-carat gold and there's a lot of gold there.

0:38:520:38:54

We're looking at £700-£900.

0:38:540:38:56

Lots of memories for you, visual links of your trips abroad.

0:38:560:38:59

-They've all got memories, really.

-Why have you decided to sell now?

0:38:590:39:03

-I haven't worn it for about 40 years.

-OK.

-And it's very uncomfortable.

0:39:030:39:08

Let's find out what the bidders think.

0:39:080:39:10

It's going under the hammer right now.

0:39:100:39:12

Lot 22. That's a bit of gold, showing to you here.

0:39:120:39:17

This is the charm bracelet set with all those lovely charms, lot 22.

0:39:170:39:22

I have to start this one away. I have got four... £550. At 550, six?

0:39:220:39:28

50, seven at the back of the room. At £700 at the back of the room.

0:39:280:39:32

At 700, now 50 anywhere? At 50 here. At 750. DO you want to go 800?

0:39:320:39:37

800, I have. 820, I'll take.

0:39:370:39:40

Three at the same at 850, at 820, the bid's here.

0:39:400:39:44

At £820, the bid's in the room then, you all done at £820?

0:39:440:39:48

Mid-estimate, well done. Good value.

0:39:480:39:51

-It's gone, yes!

-It's gone! It's gone!

0:39:510:39:54

We're saying our goodbyes,

0:39:540:39:55

-but you've still got those memories.

-Yes, I have!

0:39:550:39:59

And Catherine also has many memories of happy days spent modelling,

0:39:590:40:02

associated with her striking vulcanite necklace.

0:40:020:40:06

It's like an early Bakelite, it's like a Victorian plastic, vulcanite.

0:40:080:40:12

It's very light. It looks heavy, but it's not at all.

0:40:120:40:16

-It's lovely to wear.

-Are you going to miss this now?

0:40:160:40:20

Not really, because it's been in the cupboard for ages.

0:40:200:40:22

I think we should get on and sell some antiques right now!

0:40:220:40:25

-Are you ready for this, Catherine?

-Yes, ready!

-This is what we've come for! Let's get on with it.

0:40:250:40:29

42, this is rather fun. The Victorian vulcanite necklace.

0:40:290:40:32

And I'm sure you've all had a good look at this.

0:40:320:40:35

This one I have to start straight in at £90 and I'm looking for 100.

0:40:350:40:40

-Straight in.

-100, 110?

0:40:400:40:43

120 at the back. 120, 130, 140, 150.

0:40:430:40:48

150 bid's here. At £150, do I see £160?

0:40:480:40:51

-At £150.

-I'm amazed!

0:40:510:40:55

£160 on the internet.

0:40:550:40:57

At 170, now 180. He's still hovering.

0:40:570:41:01

180, net bid this time at £180.

0:41:010:41:04

180. Are you all sure?

0:41:040:41:06

-Selling then, at £180.

-GAVEL BANGS

0:41:060:41:09

-Yes! Hammer's gone down! £180. What a great result!

-Awesome!

0:41:090:41:13

And I've learnt something there.

0:41:130:41:14

I never knew anything about vulcanite before.

0:41:140:41:17

No, well, I'm glad you pounced on it.

0:41:170:41:19

THEY CHUCKLE

0:41:190:41:21

Caroline's giving the proceeds of her son's photo album to charity.

0:41:240:41:28

Let's hope that new information about the Red Baron

0:41:280:41:30

pushes it through the roof.

0:41:300:41:33

It's chocks away, as they say on the airfield,

0:41:330:41:35

which brings us nicely to Caroline's lot,

0:41:350:41:37

that wonderful photograph album of early aviation history.

0:41:370:41:41

The triplanes. Love it to bits.

0:41:410:41:43

I know it's your son's album, isn't it?

0:41:430:41:45

The good news is that Graham Mottram, the director of the museum that we filmed at,

0:41:450:41:49

believes that's the image of the Red Baron's plane

0:41:490:41:52

that was shot down outside the hangar in ruins.

0:41:520:41:55

It's a real history.

0:41:550:41:57

Let's hope this flies away. It's going under the hammer right now.

0:41:570:42:00

302 is a lovely collection of photographs

0:42:000:42:03

of the German aeroplanes.

0:42:030:42:06

And we did have some information given to us,

0:42:060:42:09

the rather wrecked-looking German Fokker triplane

0:42:090:42:11

was the one that the Red Baron was shot down in.

0:42:110:42:15

-So, there you go.

-It was his plane.

0:42:150:42:16

There's a bit of controversy as to who shot him down.

0:42:160:42:19

We've had a lot of interest in this one

0:42:190:42:21

-and I have to start straight in at £160.

-Wow, straight in!

0:42:210:42:24

Can I see 170 anywhere? At 160, now 170.

0:42:240:42:28

At 170, 180, 190, 200?

0:42:280:42:31

At 200 with me, £200?

0:42:310:42:34

At 200. Now, 220 anywhere?

0:42:340:42:36

-It's good.

-It's gone.

-At 200, are you all done?

0:42:360:42:38

-It's going to my bidder at £200.

-It's gone, brilliant!

-£200.

0:42:380:42:42

-Yes, that made all the difference.

-I hope it's gone to the museum.

0:42:420:42:45

It was the dates, three days after the Red Baron was shot down.

0:42:450:42:50

I hadn't picked up on those. They were actually within the photograph?

0:42:500:42:54

Yes, they were.

0:42:540:42:56

It's always good when you find out new information about an item,

0:42:560:42:58

especially when it boosts its value.

0:42:580:43:01

So, fantastic news for Caroline's charity.

0:43:010:43:04

We've had a great time here in Somerset,

0:43:040:43:06

surrounded by vintage and modern aircraft,

0:43:060:43:09

and of course, wonderful antiques and some happy owners.

0:43:090:43:12

That's what it's all about.

0:43:120:43:13

Join us again next time, but until then, it's goodbye from Flog It!

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