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Today's show comes from Surrey, but can you guess where we are?

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The town behind me is home to 135,000 people.

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It was also once home to Lewis Carroll.

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And today, for one day only, it's home to "Flog It!"

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Can you guess? Well, you got 20 seconds to work it out.

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Roll the titles.

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Today's valuations are taking place in Guildford -

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the most populated district in Surrey.

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And a town that dates back to Saxon times.

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But today's venue is much more modern.

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The cathedral overlooking the town was opened to the

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public in 1961 and has been welcoming worshippers ever since.

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We have a very healthy congregation here today.

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And I know a lot of these people will be hoping

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the angels will be looking down on them.

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Especially if their items have been chosen to go through to auction,

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where they could be worth a small fortune.

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Somebody in this crowd has got something that's worth

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a great deal of money. It's our job to find it.

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So let's get on with it. Are you ready to go in?

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-ALL: Yes!

-Come on then.

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Delivering the valuation sermons today are our experts.

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We've got James Lewis and Mark Stacey, and they are already

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fighting over something they've spotted in the queue.

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-He doesn't like me.

-Of course he does.

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He wants to touch the Welshman.

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No, he just smells old meat on you.

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Excuse me!

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THEY LAUGH

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So, as the crowd take their seats,

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here's what's coming up in the next 45 minutes.

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Today we are travelling the world. We've got this vase from Persia.

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This walking cane from Japan.

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And this music box from Switzerland.

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Plus, I will be exploring the story of Marianne North,

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who travelled far and wide to paint unusual and exotic plants.

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Now that everybody is safely seated inside,

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the first port of call is our off-screen experts

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who are based here, because they have to assess,

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analyse and appraise every single item that goes through to auction.

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Let's catch up with our experts

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and see what they are waxing lyrical about.

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Margaret, I have to tell you that I was not expecting to find

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a big lump of Persian silver here in Guildford today.

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I looked at it and I thought, am I tired?

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Have I had too much wine for lunch?

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But no, it is slightly wonky, isn't it?

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It is very much on the skew, yes.

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Have you fallen out with somebody and hit them over the head with it?

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-No, I just dropped it. Many years ago.

-Did you actually drop it?

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I dropped it, many years ago. But I did.

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And it's been in the loft ever since.

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Of course, Persia now, the majority of Persia is Iran.

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Persian silver isn't common to find here.

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So you must have an interesting story about how you came by it.

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It's not that interesting.

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My father had a customer who was Persian, as we called them then.

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And when he came over to visit my father, he brought it as a gift.

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That's not a bad thing for a customer to be giving.

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What did your father do?

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He was an importer/exporter of oriental carpets.

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-Ah! OK. So he was dealing with a lot of Persians?

-Mm-hmm.

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Lovely. But they are wonderful pieces of art.

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I think they're beautiful and they are wonderful to be seen made.

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-Yeah.

-You know, the noise, the cacophony of noise...

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Have you been out there?

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-Yes, I have.

-Go on, tell me about your trips there.

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I went when I was about 20, for the first time.

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And I went back about five, six, seven years ago.

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Because I thought, I must go back and see the same.

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-And I thought, well, I would like some more silver.

-Yep.

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But unfortunately,

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when I went back I found that it's all European-type now.

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-They don't do any of this. You couldn't find them...

-Really?

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Yeah, you couldn't find it at all.

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And it was very disappointing, actually.

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Do you know, I think it's a little bit like the Chinese market,

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in a strange sort of way. When the Ayatollahs took over,

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in the same way as when Chairman Mao was in charge in China,

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looking back, in China, to the imperial past

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and I suppose in Iran their similar royal past, in China,

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if you were caught with imperial silver or imperial bronze,

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-you could actually be executed.

-Oh, yes. Yes.

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And in Tehran in Iran,

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people were burying things in their back gardens left, right and centre.

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And this is the sort of thing that they were burying.

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I can see traces of black here.

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It was all black when I started cleaning it, yes.

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And it was actually quite a torturous thing to do.

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Somebody has got to spend some more hours on it.

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Yeah, it needs a bit of work.

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But let's have a look at what we're dealing with here.

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Because, when you're looking at Persian silver,

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I always feel that it takes its influence from all over the world.

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-There was an awful lot of trading between Persia and China.

-Mm-hmm.

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-And here we have a dragon.

-Yes.

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Almost certainly influenced from the Chinese.

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-There's another one there.

-Two dragons.

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And where we have engraving and chasing on a smooth ground there,

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we have a much more Islamic-style reserve.

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And much more Islamic influence in its design.

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The handles have no resemblance to Chinese.

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But again, they go back to the Islamic influence.

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So it's a really interesting piece of silver.

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Um...date...

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-About 1880, I should think.

-You think it's as old as that?

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I think so. 1888-1890. We've got a silver mark here.

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And I can't read it.

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-Don't ask me.

-It's not because it's too small,

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it's just that I don't know what it means.

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But I know a chap who does, so I could find out for us.

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Preliminary estimate, even bent over like that, 300-500.

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But I think it should make a bit more with a following wind.

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-Lovely.

-But I like it very much.

-Thank you.

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-Thank you very much.

-Thank you so much for bringing it.

-Thank you.

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-My pleasure.

-It's a good thing.

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Hopefully the bidders will see past the damage,

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and the silver vase will shine at auction.

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Over to Mark Stacey now, who's found something unusual.

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What a delightful item you've brought in, Annie.

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-But you don't like it.

-No.

-Why not?

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Because it just looks like it's a whole lot of little dead

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bodies attached to a stick. So I don't like it, no.

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I spotted you sitting in the cathedral here

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and went straight over to it.

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Cos I only saw the head of it, actually.

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And I recognised straightaway that it was Japanese.

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Carved with those almost thousand faces, little Noh masks,

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as they're called. They are charmingly carved.

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It's obviously been loved cos a lot of them are worn.

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It's been a favourite walking cane for somebody. Over many years.

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It fits into a period we call the Meiji period.

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And I think this would date to around about 1900.

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So it's 100-odd years old.

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-Mm.

-It's carved ivory at the top.

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And you have white metal on the tip and around the collar.

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-It's probably silver but it won't be to an English standard.

-No, no.

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Which is why we generally refer to it as white metal.

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But the other thing that I just absolutely love,

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if we just look at the shaft, it's bamboo.

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And the carver has rather humorously carved this snake motif.

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The snake is heading towards a little toad.

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SHE LAUGHS

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-And he's also signed it here.

-Yes, I saw that.

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This is a little Japanese signature.

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And I think it's absolutely wonderful.

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It's not in perfect condition. There's a few splits to the ivory

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and there's a couple of splits to the bamboo.

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-Yeah.

-But this is a real collector's item.

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-Have you ever thought of a value?

-I have no idea what it could be worth.

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So if I said it was worth £50 would you be disappointed?

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I have to be honest, I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

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THEY LAUGH

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Well, I'm not going to say that.

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I think, actually, there's going to be a lot of buyers for this.

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A lot of collectors. Walking canes are very, very highly sought after.

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-And I think this would have an estimate of around 200-300.

-Really?

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And it might even make more.

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Yeah, so I better tell my husband what I'm doing, hadn't I?

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-Does he know you've brought it?

-No.

-Oh, dear.

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-No, but he likes it and I don't.

-Oh.

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Could you persuade him it'll be all right?

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It might take a few glasses of wine tonight. What do you think?

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-I have every confidence in you.

-Mmm.

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I think you could be very persuasive if you want to be.

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SHE LAUGHS

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-Are you happy to put it into the auction?

-Absolutely.

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-And we'll put a reserve on it.

-Yeah.

-Of £200 fixed.

-OK.

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So we won't sell it below 200,

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because it is such a charming object.

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-Well, thank you.

-It's making me smile all the time I see it.

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-I'm glad that you like it.

-I adore it.

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Remember, there are strict rules on selling ivory,

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but that cane is fine because it dates well before 1947.

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Even after 12 years of doing "Flog It!" we never know what will

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come through the doors.

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And during a break in the filming, a guy called David arrived with

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something that could be very special.

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-What can you tell me about this?

-I can tell you it's Turner.

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-I got it off a dealer who had it for several years.

-Is it signed?

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I've no idea. I haven't seen it. I only have the paperwork.

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How did you come by this?

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I look after an art dealer who's got three of these Turner paintings.

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Over the years I've looked after him, lent him money all the time.

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He just came up to me last week and said, "It's yours.

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"It'll sort out everything I owe you."

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-Is this something you're thinking of selling?

-Without a doubt.

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I'm a working class guy. That in my home wouldn't look correct.

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I don't know what to say really. My gut feeling is it looks right.

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And it feels right.

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Can I show this to a colleague and get a second opinion?

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-Course you can.

-Can you take a seat here?

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Of course I can, yeah. You want that with it?

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Yes, please, yeah.

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Gosh, it's not every day we come across a...

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a watercolour by Turner. One of our greatest painters.

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Is it right or isn't it right? I don't know.

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Who can I ask? I know. I'm going to ask Anthony.

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He's our fine art expert. Where is he?

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Anthony is one of our off-screen valuers.

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And he's right here. So...

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Anthony. Do you mind if I be really rude and butt in?

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Can you have a quick look at that?

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It's all on the back.

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I mean, they've got "Joseph Mallord William Turner" on here

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but it's not by Turner, in my view.

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Oh, it's in Andrew Wilton's catalogue.

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-Andrew Wilton is THE world authority on Turner.

-Right.

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-Nobody will argue with him.

-OK.

-Whatever he says goes.

-Is right.

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So that's right?

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I think it is. If it's in his catalogue then it is.

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I would have thought 25,000-30,000 would be a reasonable

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estimate at auction.

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-OK.

-One needs to study it much longer to make...

-Sure.

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You just heard what Anthony said there.

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It does need a bit more research.

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Thing is, we mustn't get carried away at this stage.

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My gut feeling is that it looks right. It feels right at the front.

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But on the back, all of this is just a bit too clean,

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a bit too new, a bit too positive. All the information is there.

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That's the kind of thing that puts me off it.

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And you can find out

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if that painting is real or not later on in the programme.

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Let's hope it's good news for David.

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Time to see what other treasures are waiting to be found.

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Back to James Lewis.

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Lisa and Marion, let me take you back to the mid-19th century,

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before the days of TV, before even "Flog It!" had started.

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No radio, where the

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only music you could actually entertain yourself with, unless

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someone was playing the piano or a violin, was something like this.

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Mechanical music started really in the late 18th century.

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By the 19th century it was in full flight.

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The best musical boxes are made in Switzerland.

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-And this one is actually a Swiss one.

-Ooh.

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But it's having said the best were made in Switzerland,

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almost all of them were made in Switzerland.

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Also the also-rans as well.

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Swiss family or something that has been imported locally?

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No, it's a family heirloom.

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-It was my great, great uncle's.

-OK. Was this on your side of the family?

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Yes, it was on my father's side of the family.

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OK, let's look outside first.

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The panel and the top here is, I think, papier mache.

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It's quite difficult to tell without seeing the reverse side of it.

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And it's, of course, set into wood.

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The majority of these musical boxes are ebony in border,

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normally have a rosewood panel in the centre,

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with a little arrangement of musical achievements in the middle.

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I've never seen one with a mother of pearl inlaid

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lacquer panel before.

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But if we look at the little figures there, they are Chinese men.

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Stereotypical Chinamen.

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But very strangely, in an English or European landscape.

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Already we've got a complete mix of styles.

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Let's open it up.

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There we are.

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We got the airs here. Ten airs. Ten musical tunes.

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Whenever you are looking at a musical box,

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the more tunes the better. And ten is quite a good number.

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Then you also look at how complicated it is.

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Does it play on bells, on drums, on cymbals?

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This one has bells, playing on three bells.

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No drums. But a short cylinder.

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The shorter cylinders are normally the cheaper boxes.

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Let me open it up.

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We can see a steel comb here.

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And that steel comb, it's important that it is in good condition.

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Because every little steel tooth that is damaged

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is about £15-£20 to repair. So it soon starts to add up. There we go.

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It's not a bad quality box. But it's not great. Do you play it regularly?

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-Not regularly, no.

-Not regularly.

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We go through stages where we get it out and wants to listen to it again.

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Then it goes back for safekeeping.

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When it first came, we were fascinated by it.

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And it was in very poor condition. My dad spent ages cleaning it.

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I don't think we could even tell that the butterflies were coloured.

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Oh, really?!

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-And he painstakingly cleaned it up for us.

-He's done a great job.

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Really good job. OK. It will end up going to a collector, I'm sure.

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-I hope so.

-Good.

-Value, I should think it's going to make £200-£300.

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Something like that.

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-It's in working order I presume, is it?

-BOTH: Yes!

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Are you happy to let it go?

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Because once this starts you've got no choice. Here we go then.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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What a day we're having.

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Everybody is thoroughly enjoying themselves.

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And our experts have made a cracking start.

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They have found the first items to take off to auction.

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It's time to put those valuations to the test.

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But before we do that,

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here's a quick reminder of what we are taking with us.

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There is the leaning vase of Persia.

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We've got the intricate Japanese walking cane.

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And let's hope the music box hits the high notes in the auction room.

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We've travelled from Surrey to the West Sussex town of Washington,

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where we are hoping our items will do well for our sellers.

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In charge of today's proceedings is auctioneer Rupert Toovey,

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who looks like he's ready to go. First up, it's that music box.

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Will it sell, that's what we want to know.

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-You're looking really doubtful!

-Yeah. I am slightly doubtful.

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I want this to sell, I really want it to sell.

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But I am slightly doubtful.

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I brought the bag just in case it doesn't.

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THEY LAUGH

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-It's a big bag.

-Got the shopping trolley.

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-THEY LAUGH

-I hope it goes. I really do.

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A late 19th-century Swiss musical box, playing ten airs.

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Lovely thing there.

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Bids to match. We are opening at £250. 250 here. Can I see the 280?

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£250. 280 can I see? 280. 300. 320.

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£300 I have here with the book. At £300. Is there any advance on 300?

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£300. 300.

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Yes, the hammer has gone down! £300. Top end of the estimate.

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-There you go, your record is safe.

-Ye of little faith.

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James is top of the pops. Well done. Thank you for bringing that in.

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-That's very good.

-Gosh, I was worried.

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'It turns out my reservations were wrong and Marion

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'and Lisa are going home with smiles on their faces.

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'Talking of faces, the walking cane is up next.'

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-So you don't like it. And your husband does.

-Mm-hmm.

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So you basically won, you're not giving it house room.

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How did you get around that?

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We had a little conversation about it.

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THEY LAUGH

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Does this happen often?

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Um...

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-Probably, yes. I think women normally win.

-They do, they do. Yes.

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Yes.

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THEY LAUGH

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This could fly away. I haven't seen such a nice one for a long time.

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-No, you see, I found the faces full of character.

-So did I.

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Each one is different.

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And there is just something very, very interesting about it.

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Let's put it to the test. It's going under the hammer now.

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Japanese ivory and bamboo walking cane, Meiji period.

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We are opening the bidding here on the books at £180.

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180 here. Can I see the 190?

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-180.

-I think it'll get 200.

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-£180. 190. 200. 220.

-200.

-No? 200 it is here with the book.

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At £200. Can I see the 220?

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At £200. Is there are any advance? £200. Selling now. £200.

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-Well, it's sold.

-I'm so surprised.

-I'm quite surprised as well.

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But you were right with the valuation.

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Well, the estimate was right,

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but I really thought that might go certainly mid or even top.

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I thought the cluster of faces on the top would really help

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sell that but it clearly didn't.

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Yet another reminder that you cannot predict what will

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happen at an auction. But Annie is going home happy.

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Time to see if the damaged silver vase will attract the buyers.

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It looks like a trophy. But I know it's not.

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It isn't, it's a vase, silver vase.

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-And Persia, obviously the old Iran.

-Iran, Yep.

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-And this is from what is now Tehran.

-That's right.

-Wow.

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This is the beauty of the internet, really.

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Buyers can find this from all over the world

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and hopefully this will be going back to Tehran for big bucks.

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-All for you.

-Oh, I hope so! THEY LAUGH

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That's what it's all about.

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Let's find out what the auctioneer thinks. Here we go.

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Let's hand the proceedings over to Rupert.

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Persian silver two-handled vase. Early 20th century.

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It's a beautiful object. Lovely size as well.

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We are opening the bidding here at £300.

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£300. Can I see 320? 350. 380. 400.

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420. 420 now in the room.

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420 now. Can I see the 450? £420. Can I see the 450?

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450. 480. 500.

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500!

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-500. 550, Tom. 600.

-Sorry?

-600.

-600, sir.

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600. 650.

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-700.

-Would you like to go 700?

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At £700 now on the phone.

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At £700 now on the phone, against you all.

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£700. Is there any advance at £700? Fair warning. 700.

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BANGS GAVEL

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The hammer's gone down. You'll take that, won't you, £700?

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-Absolutely.

-That'll help you out.

-That's fantastic!

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Not bad for a vase with a dent.

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Not bad indeed, James.

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There you are, that concludes our first visit to the auction room.

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It was a little bit touch and go in places.

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But hey, that's auctions for you.

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You can never predict what's going to happen.

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Earlier on I took a trip to Kew Gardens, just outside of London,

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to take a look at some work by an artist from this part of the world.

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Take a look at this.

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The Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew houses one of the most famous

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collections of plants in the world.

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And it attracts well over one million visitors each year.

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The curvaceous lines and perfect symmetry of Kew's Palm House,

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designed by architect Decimus Burton, has long been

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an instantly recognisable icon here at the gardens.

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And quite rightly so.

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But today I've come here to explore a much more modest building,

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one that I believe to be a hidden gem.

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And there it is, look, a Victorian pavilion.

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The Marianne North Gallery,

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tucked demurely away on the corner of the east side of the gardens.

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The question is, who was Marianne North?

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She was born in 1830 in Hastings, which is

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just a short distance from today's auction.

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Her parents were wealthy

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and she travelled abroad with her father, who was an MP.

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That wanderlust combined with the love of exotic plants,

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which she had seen here at Kew, would shape the rest of her life.

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At the age of 40 she began her astonishing trips around the world.

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She was very close to her father, and when he died in 1869,

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she decided to travel as a way of filling up her life

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and learning to live without him. And boy, did she globe trot!

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Between the years of 1871 and 1885, she visited

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America, Canada, Jamaica, Brazil, Tenerife, Japan, Singapore,

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Sarawak, Java, Sri Lanka, India, Australia, New Zealand,

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South Africa, the Seychelles and Chile.

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Everywhere she went, she would paint.

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In total, she brought back 832 paintings.

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A snapshot of the world's flora and fauna in situ.

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She really was unlike most women of the Victorian era.

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She shunned marriage

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and travelled the world to follow her artistic passion.

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I can't wait to see inside now the restoration is complete.

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'I'm meeting up with author Laura Ponsonby,

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'who has written a biography about Marianne.

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'And we are going to take a closer look at her work.'

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-I'll get the door for you.

-Thank you very much.

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Come in. Come in and have a look.

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-Gosh!

-Isn't it amazing?

-It's very overwhelming. It's full of colour.

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-Have you ever seen anything like it before?

-No, I haven't. I have not.

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And I tell you something,

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my first feeling is there is not an inch of wall space.

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I think you are more or less right. And everybody who comes in goes, wow!

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I never knew this was here.

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First thoughts when you actually focus on the artwork,

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they don't look like the sort of

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botanical, scientific paintings you would expect.

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-You know, the ones done in watercolour.

-Yes.

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-No, they are not that at all. You see, they are oils.

-And very rich.

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Oil on paper. And she absolutely adored colour.

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She started painting in oils when she was in her 30s.

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Before that time, she painted in watercolour.

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-Her basic thing was to show a plant in its habitat.

-It is in situ, yes.

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That's exactly how you'd expect to see it, isn't it, really?

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It's a snapshot. It's a little photograph.

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-Where is this? I think I've been there.

-Yes, you have.

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-That's in Sri Lanka.

-Yeah, I have been there.

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That's in the Kandy Botanic Garden.

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And this is, in fact, a jackfruit tree.

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And, like Kew, it's got a river going round it as well.

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Just look at the work! You can see the countries where she's been.

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Australia. You can see Jamaica, America.

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-She was an adventurous, tough woman.

-She was an adventurous, tough woman.

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But she spent months in some countries without servants,

0:24:490:24:53

without any help.

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She did. In India, for instance, she spent nearly 15 months, I suppose.

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She had letters of introduction. She knew someone...

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Sure, and her father was well-connected.

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Yes, you are absolutely right. So she went all over the place.

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What does it tell you about her, really?

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That she was really determined?

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She was determined, she was very adventurous

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and wanted her own way, I think.

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-The sort of lady you'd love to meet, I bet.

-Yes, I would like to.

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I think she was amusing. She could be quite difficult sometimes,

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but a good sense of humour.

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And had known a lot of interesting people. Very determined.

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She showed that determination when she convinced

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the director of Kew to allow her to build this gallery in the grounds.

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Not only did she pay for it,

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but she took a year away from painting to arrange the pictures.

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It's probably a daft question, but do you have a favourite?

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Well, I mean, there is

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one in the little annexe at the back that I really like.

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-And it's interesting too.

-OK.

-Yes.

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You know, it's not just scientific detail.

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As you walk past some of these images,

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you can see little river snakes and the eyes of crocodiles

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poking their heads above the surface of the water.

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Which you can easily miss, but they are there.

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Anyway, it's in here. It's just in the corner.

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This one.

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It's a plant which is called Northia. It actually named after Marianne.

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The first name, the genus name.

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She did it when she was in the Seychelles.

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-It's a lovely image, isn't it?

-Yes, it is nice.

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-You can see it's got a little bird in it.

-Yes, I've just spotted that.

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A couple of fruits. I think she brought that back...

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You have to look hard,

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cos some of these little animals are camouflaged.

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Yes, she hides them away. It's quite interesting, isn't it?

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Suddenly you see a monkey or a bird, or something of that nature.

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How would you sum up Marianne's legacy?

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I think it's unique, really. I don't think there is anybody else

0:26:440:26:47

who has done anything quite like that.

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And of course, it's so interesting where she has been

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and all her experiences, and I think people enjoy that,

0:26:520:26:55

looking at the places perhaps they've been to on holiday

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and they come and see what Marianne painted.

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-It's very interesting.

-I think so. It's most fascinating.

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I think this place is well worth a visit.

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I'm going to come and spend a few more hours in here.

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-Yes, you certainly could.

-Thank you so much for showing me around...

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-Not at all.

-..and being my guide today.

-Good.

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'Marianne often ventured to places

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'that were virtually unknown to Europeans.

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'And some of her paintings show plants that were new to science.

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'Helping to advance our knowledge of the natural world.

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'But the years of exhausting travel took their toll,

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'and she retired to Gloucestershire, still surrounded by flowers.

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'She died there in 1890,

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'a long way from the exotic locations that she loved.'

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Marianne North, the intrepid traveller, has provided us

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with an exquisite Victorian set piece,

0:27:430:27:45

tucked away in this corner of Kew Gardens.

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And inside, the most extraordinary collection of botanical paintings.

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Although not classical, are all the richer for it.

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I think we can safely say Marianne North

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and her gallery are definitely one-offs.

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We are back at the valuation day in Guildford.

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In just a few minutes we'll have an update on the painting

0:28:160:28:19

that could be a Turner.

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But before that, let's find some final items to take off to auction.

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Over to Mark Stacey.

0:28:240:28:25

-Jane, this is a heck of lump, isn't it?

-It certainly is.

0:28:270:28:30

Tell me the history of it, please.

0:28:300:28:32

I think my mother bought it from an auction house back in the '50s.

0:28:320:28:36

I remember it a long, long time.

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She used to keep it in the cloakroom, full of umbrellas and walking sticks.

0:28:390:28:43

-Wow! Well, it's big enough for that, isn't it?

-It is.

0:28:430:28:46

-In the '50s, I suppose, this was considered out of fashion.

-Yes.

0:28:460:28:50

People wanted the more modern designs, you know,

0:28:500:28:53

the straight lines and things.

0:28:530:28:54

But as soon as we see this type of pottery,

0:28:540:28:57

with this very distinctive pink-y interior and these lovely

0:28:570:29:01

subtle colours, there is only one factory you think of, really.

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-Yes.

-Poole Pottery.

-Absolutely.

-Based in Dorset.

-Yes.

0:29:050:29:09

It's beautifully decorated with these stylised flowers.

0:29:090:29:13

-Such a lovely range of colours in there.

-It's a nice shape.

0:29:130:29:17

It would take quite a lot to fire this. A big lump like this.

0:29:170:29:21

If we have a look underneath...

0:29:210:29:23

we've got a lovely set of marks there.

0:29:230:29:25

We've got the marks for Carter, Stabler, Adams - Poole.

0:29:250:29:30

-Which is the early mark, the 1920s-30s mark.

-Yes.

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So that fits in.

0:29:330:29:35

They kept reducing these designs and sometimes you just see them

0:29:350:29:38

-with "Poole pottery," and they are slightly later.

-Later.

0:29:380:29:41

But it's a really, really good piece.

0:29:410:29:44

There's a little bit of damage, isn't there?

0:29:440:29:46

-Yes, there is a slight chip.

-Which could easily be restored.

0:29:460:29:49

Yes, that's always been there, I'm afraid.

0:29:490:29:51

I think it really is a lovely object.

0:29:510:29:54

-Why have you decided to sell it now?

-We've got six grandchildren now.

0:29:540:29:59

And they love charging around.

0:29:590:30:01

It was in the lounge and we have a new rescue dog as well,

0:30:010:30:05

who plays with a ball. And I thought, it's going to get smashed.

0:30:050:30:08

It's such a shame if it got smashed beyond repair.

0:30:080:30:11

You need the right space for it as well, don't you? Aesthetically.

0:30:110:30:15

It's not going to be safe, I'm afraid.

0:30:150:30:16

I must say, I must be honest with you, Jane, I think

0:30:160:30:19

a few years ago this would have been worth a lot more money.

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I think if it was absolutely perfect we would easily expect to get

0:30:230:30:28

-the £500 mark for it.

-Yes.

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I think we've got to take into account the small chip on it.

0:30:300:30:35

-Yeah.

-And the fact that Poole isn't...

-It's not as popular.

0:30:350:30:38

..quite as fashionable as it was.

0:30:380:30:39

-I would properly suggest an estimate of £300-£500.

-Yes.

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-I'd be happy with that.

-To put a reserve on it of 300.

-Yes.

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-So it protects you.

-No, that's fine.

0:30:460:30:48

I really mean it, I love it and it's the most impressive

0:30:480:30:52

-piece of Poole I've seen for quite a long time.

-Lovely, thank you.

0:30:520:30:55

Thanks for bringing it in.

0:30:550:30:57

An eye-catching piece of pottery there.

0:30:570:31:00

Now back to James, who has found an important

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and impressive collection of militaria.

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Jimmy, I have to say, we see loads of medals on "Flog It!"

0:31:050:31:09

Every valuation day, maybe ten or 15 groups.

0:31:090:31:12

But they are normally these three.

0:31:120:31:15

They are named after three cartoon

0:31:150:31:17

characters in the First World War - Pip, Squeak and Wilfred.

0:31:170:31:20

But this one, the Military Cross,

0:31:200:31:23

it's the first time I've ever seen it on "Flog It!"

0:31:230:31:26

-That's a good thing. Are they family medals?

-No. No.

0:31:260:31:30

How did you come to get them?

0:31:300:31:32

My wife had a small shop, antiques shop, for about 20 years.

0:31:320:31:37

She passed away seven years ago and obviously bits

0:31:370:31:41

and pieces used to come into the house.

0:31:410:31:43

-Yeah.

-And get left behind. And that's how I've come to get this.

0:31:430:31:46

She always there wasn't quite sure what they were worth

0:31:460:31:49

-and wanted to make sure.

-No.

0:31:490:31:51

Who was it that won these? Do you know much about him?

0:31:510:31:54

Only what I read of the little bit of history. This is his identity card.

0:31:540:32:01

It was James Rowland West.

0:32:010:32:03

-He was in the Berkshire Regiment.

-OK.

-First of all.

0:32:030:32:07

After that he was in the Dorset Territorial Army.

0:32:070:32:13

Interesting. OK.

0:32:130:32:14

Well, the first thing we need to know whenever we are looking

0:32:140:32:19

at a Military Cross is, why did he win it? What did he do?

0:32:190:32:23

Cos that's part of the story. You got a photograph of him.

0:32:230:32:26

You've got some papers to do with him.

0:32:260:32:29

You've got the miniatures, you've got the medals.

0:32:290:32:31

But what's the story?

0:32:310:32:32

I have to say, I'm not great with technology.

0:32:320:32:34

I was afraid I was going to drop it so I have my own helper,

0:32:340:32:37

my own Debbie McGee here.

0:32:370:32:39

Thank you very much, Debbie.

0:32:390:32:41

This is a supplement to the London Gazette, 18th July, 1918.

0:32:410:32:48

"Captain James Rowland West, Royal Berkshire Regiment.

0:32:480:32:53

"For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty in an attack.

0:32:530:32:57

"He moved about fearlessly among his company,

0:32:570:33:01

"controlling and supervising their advance.

0:33:010:33:04

"And when a platoon was losing direction,

0:33:040:33:07

"he crossed a fire swept zone to redirect them.

0:33:070:33:11

"He took command of another company,

0:33:110:33:13

"which had lost all of its officers, in addition to his own,

0:33:130:33:17

"and showed splendid leadership and courage throughout."

0:33:170:33:21

-So, a very brave man.

-Wonderful.

-And a very skilled soldier as well.

0:33:210:33:26

Thank you.

0:33:260:33:27

So there we go. And that, knowing the story puts it in perspective.

0:33:270:33:34

For a man to have that peace of mind to say, they're in trouble, I'm

0:33:340:33:40

going to risk my life, crossing all of that gunfire, to look after them.

0:33:400:33:45

-And to cross back. I mean, I couldn't do it.

-No.

0:33:450:33:48

And I don't think very many people could.

0:33:480:33:51

An incredible man.

0:33:510:33:53

But then Hitler raises his head 20 years on, World War II.

0:33:530:33:58

The man, I'm sure, would have liked to have been back in the Army,

0:33:580:34:02

-fighting the Germans.

-Sure.

0:34:020:34:04

But he's too old, so he ends up in the Home Guard.

0:34:040:34:07

And here we have an inquisition into the death of this man.

0:34:070:34:13

-So, what happened?

-He was on a training exercise in Warminster.

0:34:130:34:18

They had these aircraft, Hurricanes, coming over,

0:34:180:34:21

involved in the training exercise. And killed 14 people.

0:34:210:34:26

-A British Hurricane?

-Yes. Yes.

0:34:260:34:28

-I think there was more than one Hurricane involved.

-What on earth?!

0:34:280:34:32

Did they suddenly have a rush of blood to the head

0:34:320:34:34

and think the Germans were in Warminster?!

0:34:340:34:36

Well, I think there was smoke and fog, things like that.

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They got involved... And this guy was one of them.

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-It happens so often to these great heroes, doesn't it?

-Yes.

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Lawrence of Arabia.

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-All the things he did and he ends up in a motorbike crash.

-Yes.

0:34:470:34:50

-Yes.

-Incredible.

-Yes.

-It's an amazing story.

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They are a great set of medals.

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I think your wife did the right thing not just putting them

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-in the antiques shop. I'm sure they are going to make about £1,000.

-OK.

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-That's...

-And I wouldn't be surprised,

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if the right people get behind it, they might make a shade more.

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-OK. Wonderful.

-Auction estimate - 800 to 1,200.

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I would recommend a firm reserve of eight. Don't let them go below that.

0:35:140:35:19

-No, OK.

-I'm sure they will do well.

-OK. Thank you very much.

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-Cheers.

-Good luck.

-Cheers.

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And thanks for bringing this along to "Flog It!" today

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-and sharing a wonderful story.

-OK, thank you.

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Earlier in the programme we met David, who came along to the

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valuation day with what he believed was a painting by Turner.

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On the back was the name of an art expert - Andrew Wilton.

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We've arranged for the two of them

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to meet at London's Dulwich Picture Gallery, where hopefully

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we'll find out once and for all if that painting is genuine.

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-You've got a picture to show me?

-I certainly have.

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Thanks.

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The label refers to small paintings he did on blue paper,

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and this is on blue paper,

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-so I can see why your former owner linked it up with this series.

-Yes.

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A lot of them are views at Petworth. This is clearly not Petworth.

0:36:140:36:20

-I'm afraid it's clearly not by Turner.

-Right.

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It doesn't bear any resemblance to anything that Turner ever did,

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apart from the fact that it's on blue paper.

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But, of course, a lot of artists worked on blue paper.

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What's interesting about this drawing is that it does

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remind me of a Turner water colour. It says, "The Thames near Windsor."

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We must be somewhere near Eton College.

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I can show you what that looks like.

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Fortunately there is a book here that reproduces both

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the view of Windsor and the view that he did of Eton College.

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Just downstream from Windsor.

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Here is Eton College, and the Etonians on the bank,

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reading and talking.

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Here are some local people with eel pots.

0:37:070:37:11

There was a great deal of eel fishing in the Thames.

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Turner was very interested in that as well.

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Wherever he went, he was interested in what people were doing.

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When we look at this drawing, we don't see any of that interest.

0:37:190:37:23

It's a very generalised evocation of a river with some trees

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and the notion of a few people.

0:37:280:37:30

Apart from the compositional parallel with this view of Eton,

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there's not much to identify it at all.

0:37:360:37:38

I hope you can see that this is a different

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way of looking at the world from this one.

0:37:420:37:45

Yes, I do see the difference. And that's all I can say to you, really.

0:37:450:37:49

The good thing is, you like it.

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And you can enjoy it as a picture on your wall.

0:37:520:37:55

I hope it's been useful even if it hasn't

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been as thrilling as you might have wished.

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Certainly not as thrilling, but it has been very useful.

0:37:590:38:01

Thank you very much.

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Feeling a bit sick. I believed it was real.

0:38:060:38:10

I believed I had a little nest egg sitting there. Very disappointed.

0:38:100:38:14

But God loves a trier and I shall try again.

0:38:140:38:17

I'll keep going and going and going, I'm going to take it home now

0:38:170:38:19

and put it on my wall and just enjoy looking at it.

0:38:190:38:22

So, it turned out that painting

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wasn't quite what David was expecting.

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But I'm sure you'll agree it was very exciting.

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Time to head off to today's auction now.

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And here's a reminder of what's going under the hammer.

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There is that huge ceramic vase.

0:38:360:38:38

And that poignant collection of World War I medals.

0:38:410:38:44

We are back in West Sussex, where today's auction is taking place.

0:38:490:38:52

The next item up for grabs is that colourful pottery.

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Going under the hammer right now, another "Flog It!" favourite -

0:38:570:39:00

a bit of Poole pottery.

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I remember my days when I went down to the factory

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down in Dorset, before they closed down.

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They are now open in Stoke-on-Trent, so they are still in business.

0:39:060:39:09

-But this is from the 1920s, Jane.

-Yes.

-A really nice piece.

0:39:090:39:11

I think it was painted by a lady called Anne Hatchard as well.

0:39:110:39:14

-Oh, right. I didn't know that.

-Yes.

-Lovely colours.

0:39:140:39:17

Right, let's put this to the test.

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Carter, Stabler, Adams - Poole Pottery vase.

0:39:190:39:22

1920s. Painted by Anne Hatchard,

0:39:220:39:24

and monogrammed with a Truda Carter patterned YT.

0:39:240:39:27

It's a wonderful thing. Little chip to the foot, but lovely.

0:39:270:39:30

Opening the bidding here at £220. 220 here. Can I see the 250?

0:39:300:39:36

£220 here. 250? At £220. 250 can I see?

0:39:360:39:41

£220. 250. 280. 300.

0:39:410:39:44

300 now with the phone. At £300. Beating the book. At £300.

0:39:460:39:49

At £300. Can I see 320?

0:39:490:39:52

At £300. 320 can I see? £300. On the phone at £300.

0:39:520:39:57

We are selling at £300.

0:39:570:39:59

-Fair warning.

-BANGS GAVEL

0:39:590:40:01

That gavel's just gone down. £300.

0:40:010:40:04

-Jane, it's gone. You've said goodbye.

-Absolutely.

0:40:040:40:07

You don't have to take it home.

0:40:070:40:08

-No. That's good.

-Yeah. Are you happy with that?

0:40:080:40:11

Yes, I'm happy with that.

0:40:110:40:12

'Yet again, Mark's valuation was right on the money.

0:40:120:40:15

'Time now for our final lot of the day.'

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Going under the hammer right now, a collection of medals.

0:40:170:40:20

There has been a great deal of interest here.

0:40:200:40:22

Awarded to James Rowland,

0:40:220:40:23

who was accidentally killed in 1942 in a Hurricane demonstration.

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They belonged to Jimmy, who was left them by his wife.

0:40:270:40:29

Unfortunately he can't be here today. But his friend Jim is.

0:40:290:40:32

-To confuse things a bit.

-Just call me Jimmy.

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Do you know much about his medals?

0:40:350:40:36

I didn't know a lot until the "Flog It!" show.

0:40:360:40:41

Jim had the paperwork on the inquisition into his death

0:40:410:40:44

when he was shot by a Hurricane, unfortunately.

0:40:440:40:46

But it was "Flog It!" that found out how he won the Military Cross.

0:40:460:40:50

-A very brave man in the First World War.

-Sure. Yeah.

0:40:500:40:54

Survived that and then got killed in 1942, rather tragically.

0:40:540:40:58

Well, I've been told there are telephone lines booked on this.

0:40:580:41:02

-The collectors are seriously after this one.

-When it comes to medals,

0:41:020:41:05

anything with a great story is what sells it.

0:41:050:41:08

We've got the provenance, we've got the story, unfortunately

0:41:080:41:11

we don't have Jimmy, but we'll talk to him hopefully later. Here we are.

0:41:110:41:14

We are putting them under the hammer. Let's do it.

0:41:140:41:17

Group of four First World War awards to James Rowland West,

0:41:170:41:21

comprising the Military Cross - George V issue, the 1415 Star.

0:41:210:41:25

A wonderful group of medals and a wonderful story to go with them.

0:41:250:41:29

We are opening the bidding here at £800.

0:41:290:41:31

800 is the lowest we can start. £800. Can I see the 850?

0:41:310:41:35

£800. 850 can I see?

0:41:350:41:36

850?

0:41:360:41:38

850 now I have here on the phone. At 850.

0:41:380:41:41

-900. 950.

-Would you like to go to 950?

0:41:410:41:44

-Yes, please.

-950. 1000. 1,100.

0:41:440:41:46

Would you like to go 1,100?

0:41:460:41:49

-1,100. 1,200 here. 1,300?

-1,300?

0:41:500:41:53

-Yes, please.

-£1,300 on the phone. 1,400 can I see?

0:41:530:41:58

1,300. 1,400 can I see?

0:42:000:42:03

£1,300. 1,400 now. Thank you, sir.

0:42:030:42:07

-At 1,400.

-£1,400.

-1,600, sir?

0:42:070:42:12

-1,700?

-1,700?

0:42:120:42:14

Jimmy would be pleased with this.

0:42:140:42:16

1,800. 1,900?

0:42:160:42:18

Would you like to go 1,900?

0:42:180:42:20

£1,800 in the room. At 1,800. 1,900 can I see?

0:42:220:42:28

£2,000 I'm bid on the phone.

0:42:280:42:29

At 2,000. £2,000. Can I see 2,200?

0:42:290:42:34

£2,000!

0:42:340:42:36

2,200 can I see?

0:42:360:42:38

At £2,000, Tom, with you on the phone. At £2,000.

0:42:380:42:42

Is there are any advance on £2,000?

0:42:420:42:45

Selling. £2,000.

0:42:450:42:47

Yes! What a great result!

0:42:480:42:50

What a great result for a wonderful piece of history.

0:42:500:42:52

Our experts have said it time and time again on the show,

0:42:520:42:55

it's the story behind the object, the provenance, the social history,

0:42:550:42:58

that's what you bought into then. £2,000. What a way to end the show.

0:42:580:43:01

You must tell Jimmy. Well done, Jim. Thank you very much for coming in.

0:43:010:43:04

See you next time for many more surprises on "Flog It!"

0:43:040:43:07

But for now, from West Sussex, it's goodbye.

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