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Steam, hot springs, Romans.

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We can only be in one place - Bath.

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This is where the story of Bath begins - the famous hot springs.

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Developed by the Romans, who first came here to take the cures some 2,000 years ago.

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And continuing to make the pilgrimage to Bath is this very brave queue,

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who've turned out in all weathers.

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They've brought along all their antiques and collectibles,

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hoping to get top valuations from our experts -

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Catherine Southon and Jethro Marles.

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# And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed

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# Nothing seems to fit

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# Those raindrops are falling on my head... #

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There's a great turnout here at the Bath Pavilion today.

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Jethro's already spotted a little gem.

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Vicky, I am so pleased with this little box you've brought in

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because right away, it's exciting me.

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-Do you know why?

-No, tell me.

-Because of the maker of that box.

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-Right. OK.

-Do you know who made that box?

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-Cartier.

-You see, you know.

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It is a Cartier box. This classic red leatherette -

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or leather, in this case -

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with a little gold banding around the outside.

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That is a Cartier box. So, let's see if it is.

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There are copies and fakes.

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This looks to be perfectly original. It's got the right amount of wear.

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There, in the top, is the Cartier stamp.

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We're onto a good start, aren't we?

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What have we got inside?

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We have...

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..a little cigarette holder.

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So, tell me about it.

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How did you come by it?

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It was given to my father.

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He worked at what was

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one of the first nightclubs in London. It was the Cabaret Club.

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They would give gifts to their employees from time to time.

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And you knew if you were in favour or out of favour by the sort of gift you were given.

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If you weren't given a gift you particularly liked,

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-you called it at a coffee pot.

-Why did you call it a coffee pot?

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It was just sort of a derogatory term

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that was the equivalent of, just a coffee pot.

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My dad always called this his coffee pot

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because it was a female's cigarette holder.

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Right! Did he use it?

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My mum used it, yeah. No, I think it was a bit too feminine for him.

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Well, let's have a look at the object itself.

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First of all, you can't immediately notice any mark by Cartier.

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It's in the style of a Cartier piece.

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It's got the quality of a piece made by Cartier with these lovely,

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little cabochon blue sapphires going around the outside.

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"Cabochon" means polished like a pebble, really.

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There is a hallmark on the side here

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hat tells me that it was made - or assayed - in 1944.

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Oh, right!

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If you collapse it down...

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..around the rim, on the inside,

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not only is there a full hallmark,

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but also, it says, "Cartier, London."

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-Right.

-Because it's cigarettes and because it's smoking,

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-there are people that collect that sort of thing, but not that many.

-No.

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-And it's not a popular thing any more.

-No.

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It's going out of fashion.

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I think if you were to put it in the auction, I think we need to say an estimate of 140-180.

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-It might sound a bit of an odd estimate.

-Mmm-hmm.

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-There's a reason for that.

-OK.

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It's sort of suggesting to people that it ought to be worth getting on to £200,

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but you can buy it for £140.

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Get people interested. I think if you do that, you're going to create the interest.

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If we put it in with a reserve at 140, you'd be happy to put it in?

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-Yes, I would. Yeah.

-OK, well, let's do that.

-OK.

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Judy, thanks very much for coming along today.

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Now, this may look to some people some very ordinary china,

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but I think it's something quite special here.

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If we look very closely,

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-we've got some Concorde memorabilia.

-Yep.

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How did you actually come to have this?

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Well, my sister had an association with a gentleman that she married...

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-Mmm-hmm.

-..that has slight connections with the Fleet Air Arm Museum.

-OK.

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And his association with it

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was that he was one of the first in the area to promote Concorde...

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-Right.

-And he was lucky enough to be given the wares.

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So, they just gave him a few bits and pieces...

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-..to promote Concorde.

-Fabulous!

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-Yes.

-And he luckily kept hold of them.

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He did. We had a lot more items than this.

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Obviously, over the years, it's got broken, we've used it.

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-And, um, yes.

-Got rid of everything.

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-Oh, you've used it?

-We have.

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I remember using the salt and pepper pots at weddings within the family.

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Oh, really? Also when everyone came over to tea

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you used to get the cups and saucers out and the salt and pepper and...

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In those days, you didn't think anything of it.

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It was like just crockery and you used it.

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If it broke, you just replaced it.

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Absolutely. Well, Concorde memorabilia,

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I'm having a look at this, really,

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because I think it is the collectible of the future.

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There was an auction room - an international auction room -

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that had a sale of Concorde memorabilia a few years ago

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and it did make some big money.

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This is possibly some of the earlier crockery.

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Some of the later crockery, I think, has got a blue stripe.

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If we look very closely underneath,

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-it's got the British Airways stamp and Royal Doulton at the top.

-Yep.

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What's nice about it is we have the Bristol connection,

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so hopefully, selling it locally,

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people will be interested from that point of view.

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What I really love about it is the salt and pepper. It's so dinky.

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Actually, you've got some salt in there too. Wonderful!

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Now, it's very difficult to put a value on something like this

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because it's going to be a "guesstimate" - not an estimate -

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because I haven't sold anything like this before.

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With that in mind, we've got one, two, three, four, five bowls,

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one plate and the salt and pepper, which are so cute.

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-They are very dainty.

-So cute. I'm going to put about £40 to £60 on

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and let's hope it takes off.

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Chris, two things attracted me to the table.

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Your hat and this Scandinavian glass.

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I know its Scandinavian. It's either Swedish or Danish.

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-Swedish.

-Swedish, is it?

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-Do you know much about it?

-A little.

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-Go on, tell me.

-Stromberg.

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-Yeah.

-Late '60s.

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He was a studio artist who I think went to Kosta Boda and worked for them for a while.

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Yes, he did for a little bit. Yeah.

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Edward Stromberg and he worked with his son, Astor.

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The factory had been going since 1876. It was called Lindfors.

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Stromberg took it over in 1933.

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So, it has good pedigree. It's still going today.

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It's got a different name again.

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It keeps changing and it keeps evolving.

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This is the period that everybody wants right now - early '60s.

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It's absolutely stunning. How did you come by it?

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I was at auction for some Japanese pieces - two opium pipes.

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This came in a box that I hadn't even looked in as part of the lot.

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And this generally isn't the kind of kit that you're into then, if you're looking for opium pipes.

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I wouldn't have been looking for it, but this was over a year ago.

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-I've lived with it and we've had a beautiful relationship.

-Ah!

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It's absolutely stunning. Let me just have a look.

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It should be signed underneath with a scratched detail.

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There it is. I can just see that.

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Condition in glass is so important.

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Glass is very hard to sell to the purist unless it's in 100% condition.

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They don't like little scratches.

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-There is one, little, tiny scratch on here and it is just there.

-I see it.

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-It's not that deep. I think that one will come out.

-It will.

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The trick is, when you're buying glass from a car boot sale or an outdoor fair or something like that,

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never buy glass that's being sold in the rain, because you can never tell if the piece is scratched.

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Once it's damp or wet, you don't see any scratches.

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So, you have to be careful.

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OK, I think, this...

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if we put it into auction,

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will sell for about £120-£140, quite easily.

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It is a fashion statement. This is what everybody wants right now.

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-Sounds very good to me.

-What did you pay for it?

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-Well, I didn't.

-You didn't. It was a freebie in your job lot.

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-Exactly.

-What did the job lot cost?

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-£30.

-Well, I think...

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this will do very, very well in a sale room.

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What have we got here? What have you brought along?

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I don't know. It's just a wooden panel

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that's been inlaid with mother-of-pearl and painted.

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OK, so you know that's what it is.

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How did you come by it? Where has it been?

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My father bought it about 25-30 years ago.

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Hopefully, I think, he intended it to go on his narrow boat.

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I don't ever remember seeing it on the boat, so I think

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it just got put up in the attic and it's been that ever since.

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So, he bought it at an antique shop or something?

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I think he did, yes, up in the West Midlands where he lived.

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How long ago was that then?

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It would be about 25 years ago.

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-Do you know how all this panel is?

-No. Do you?

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I hope I might know.

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It is a panel, in fact.

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If you look on the side - just here on your side -

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there are spaces where hinges have been put.

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-Yes.

-So, obviously, this has been hung as a door.

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There's also some work gone on underneath here, along the base, where it's been chipped away.

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So, maybe it did slot in

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and was part of some quite grand piece of furniture.

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It must have been quite spectacular.

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Now, you know that it's 20 years old -

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you think it's older than that.

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-20-30.

-Exactly.

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It's probably nearer 180 years old.

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Good gracious.

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So, it's been around quite a long time.

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What do you think it's made of? It's inlaid with mother-of-pearl.

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I thought it was wood, but I've since been told its papier-mache.

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Exactly right.

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In order for it to be part of a cabinet, it's been made of wood.

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On either side, it's been sandwiched, but with papier-mache.

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We all know what papier-mache is.

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It can be moulded into the shape.

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The great thing is you can decorate it and over-decorate it.

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As you've quite rightly said, you've got the mother-of-pearl inlay

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up here and then you've got the painting detail which is lovely.

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When you look on the top, look at this lovely farmland scene here

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with the farm buildings and the lovely mill stream coming down.

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-It's an idyllic scene, isn't it?

-Yes.

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I think it would have looked lovely on your father's narrow boat.

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It's a shame you didn't get round to it.

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You've got a central panel here

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with this mother-of-pearl frame around the central mother-of-pearl.

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Down here, this little chap, here. This little dog.

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A personal touch - maybe the family dog.

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-Yes.

-Who knows?

-Very sweet.

-There's a little bit of heat damage on here.

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It might have been a bit close to a fire - a warm fire - at some time.

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Now, this piece itself has come off some...

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Probably a grand piece of furniture, I would guess.

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Perhaps 1820-1850. It's difficult to date this sort of thing.

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But papier-mache types of objects,

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that's when they were in their hey-day, really.

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As far as value is concerned, what do you think it's worth?

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I thought about 40-60.

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-I think that would be giving it away a little bit.

-Yes?

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I think we ought to say £60-£80.

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-Even better.

-I think if it was mine, I wouldn't want to sell it for any less than that.

-Right.

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-And we'll put it in the auction with a reserve at 60. How do you feel?

-Lovely.

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Among the lots going to auction today

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are a couple with impeccable provenance.

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Vicky's Cartier cigarette holder

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and Judy's selection of Concorde crockery.

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Joining them is the Stromberg vase -

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part of a job lot - it can ONLY make a profit.

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Finally, Ros's decorative painted panel.

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Right, the moment I've been waiting for. It's auction time.

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We've come down the road to catch up with auctioneer, Marc Burridge, Flog It! favourite.

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I can't wait to find out what he thinks about some of our items,

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but more importantly, our experts' valuations.

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Let's hope we've got it right. Fingers crossed!

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It's a packed auction room!

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Let's hope there's been plenty of interest in our items.

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Here comes our first lot.

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The Cartier cigarette holder - 140-180. Will it sell?

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It's not PC but it belongs to Vicky. Who've you brought along?

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-My sister, Mandy.

-What's her name?

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-Mandy.

-Mandy. So, what do you think?

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Will it sell? Will it?

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-Not sure.

-Well, we're not sure, because smoking things aren't very popular these days.

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-But Cartier is, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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A great maker's name.

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-It is quality, Jethro.

-It is.

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Everything's in its favour,

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-apart from the fact it's a little cigarette holder.

-Yeah.

-But we'll see.

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It might just be the sale room for it, who knows?

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There might be a lot of smokers here. Good luck.

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It's going under the hammer now.

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Cartier, nine-carat gold cigarette holder.

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With sapphires, stamped Cartier.

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Hallmarked and its box, stamped Cartier.

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I've got a couple of bids here with me on the books, starting at 60.

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70, 80, 90.

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I'm bid £90. 100. 100. 100. 100.

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110. Now 120.

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£110 only. And 20. All done?

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-Yes, late legs.

-130. Now 40.

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Last one. Come on.

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-One more.

-£140 against you. 140? No.

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Against you all then at £130.

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Didn't sell it. We were £10 out.

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Fixed reserve, and we were £10 out!

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Oh, no! I do hate these moments.

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That was so close, wasn't it?

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Well, that's auctions for you.

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You win some and you lose some, but there's never a dull moment.

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Right now, I've been joined by Judy and her friend Debbie.

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-These are the antiques of the future, Debbie...

-Absolutely.

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..and Judy. So, why are they flogging them? That's what I want to know.

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Well, it's the sort of thing that sits in the cupboard,

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and you don't know quite what to do with it.

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It's not that big - it could sit in the cupboard for another 10 years,

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and really peak, then it will fly.

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I think the key is that they should have been sold

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-as soon as Concorde touched down.

-Yes.

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Well, there was a big auction then.

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They sold off all the engines and all the seats,

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but it really is quite rare.

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This is quality, what we've got here.

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Concorde memorabilia.

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I've got to say this joke once - anyone who likes fast food,

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now's your chance.

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So, it's the tableware designed for Concorde.

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What can we say? I've got £20 here.

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22, 22... 25, 28, 30.

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32, 35, take 40 in the room now. 42?

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42? It's £40 in the room. And two?

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-42? 42? All done then at £40?

-Oh, he's bidding.

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45, 48. 50? 50 bid? 55.

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At £50... Anyone else?

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All done, selling on £50.

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Hammer's gone down. Bang on mid-estimate.

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-That's not bad actually.

-That's good.

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Well, Judy, are you happy with that?

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I had some reservations, and I thought, "Oh, my god, what happens if it doesn't sell?"

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But the good thing is, I've found more.

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-You've got a lot more at home?

-Yes!

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-Well, you know where to bring it, don't you?

-Yes, I do!

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We've got a lovely inlaid door panel up for grabs.

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Circa 1820s, lots of mother-of-pearl.

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Ros, you brought it into the valuation day. Who has joined you?

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-My sister, Cynthia.

-So you can remember Dad buying this as well?

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-For the narrow boat.

-Yes, that's right.

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-So, are you splitting the proceeds?

-Yes.

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-£60 to £80. Jethro, will we get that?

-What do you think?

-I think we will.

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-It's going under the hammer right now.

-He said we will!

-This is it.

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The nineteenth-century black lacquered mother of pearl panel.

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Being shown there now. What can we say on this one?

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£30, £35. Who's got £40 and 5?

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45, 55, £55 in the room.

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-And 60?

-Oh, yes. We're there.

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And £60? At £55..

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I'm selling, make no mistake.

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In the room at £55.

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The hammer's gone down.

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-£55.

-Very good.

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-Happy with that?

-Yes, definitely.

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-Who's gonna get that then?

-We're splitting it between us.

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I think that's a pub lunch, don't you?

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Recognise the hat? It belongs to Chris.

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Thanks very much for bringing it along.

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He wore it at the valuation day, and he said he wouldn't take it off, not even for the auction.

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I think it suits you, looks great.

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-And it's summer now.

-It is summer, it's really hot.

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We've got some studio glass about to go under the hammer. £120 to £140.

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Fingers crossed that little scratch won't put too many people off.

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The Stromberg Swedish studio glass vase.

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Signed on the base. Lot 256. What can we say?

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£50 I'm bid. 60, 70, 80, 90...

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£100. £110. 110?

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At £100 only. 110 in the room.

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120, 120...

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The lady's bid at £110...

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Yes! £110. Bang on the reserve.

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It wiped its face, as they say.

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Wiped its feet, I always say.

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Wiped its face!

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Well, not bad for starters.

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After all that excitement at the auction, I need a refreshing drink.

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There's nothing better than a cool glass of water.

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At the heart of this beautiful Georgian city of Bath,

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and very much central to its existence, is a natural phenomenon.

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It's unique in all of Britain.

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Piping hot springs.

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With the steaming water bubbling up,

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staining everything around it a vivid red,

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the springs were a source of mystery and wonder for thousands of years.

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Unable to explain it, they were considered the work of the gods.

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But when the Romans first conquered Britain in the first century AD,

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this sacred site suddenly lay at the heart of a Roman town.

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Recognising the curative and sacred powers of the hot springs,

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work soon began on the luxurious Roman spa, Aquae Sulis.

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One of the many archaeologists drawn to this sacred site is Marek Lewcun.

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-Thank you for taking time to speak to us.

-That's a pleasure.

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You can see we're at the heart of the complex here.

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There's hot bubbles bubbling up in the water there. How is that created?

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That water fell on the Mendip Hills just south of here 10,000 years ago,

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and it percolates down to a depth of two to three kilometres,

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and there the rocks heat it up

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then the water comes up here in the heart of Bath.

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So that fell 10,000 years ago as rainwater, falling on our ancestors,

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which would have been stone-age man?

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-That's right.

-It's unbelievable.

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How much water actually flows?

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-A quarter of a million gallons a day.

-Gosh, that is a lot.

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Point out what we're looking at that is actually Roman.

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Below the waterline you've got a stone-built reservoir.

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Originally it would have been lined with lead.

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There are statue bases in there as well.

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-Yes.

-Above the waterline, we've got the window here...

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-The lovely smiling windows.

-Yes, those are Roman.

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What did the Romans use this for initially?

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This was the sacred heart of the whole complex.

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People would have come here, they would have prayed to the goddess.

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They would have made offerings.

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They also would have thrown in curses as well.

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Prayers might be a more correct way of putting it.

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Little pieces of rolled-up lead,

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and on that they would have scribed into it -

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perhaps somebody would have taken something from them, or stolen it,

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and they would have said to the god,

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"Make this person have no children" or "Bring bad health upon them."

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We've got a collection of 130 curses which people threw in here.

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And also, thousands of coins, too.

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Many thousands.

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There are later stages of architectural development

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going on here through the period. Can you point out some of them?

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Just above the waterline behind us,

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we've got niches which are Norman, that is medieval in date.

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As you go up, you've got this decorative stonework - 17th century.

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On the right hand side you have the legendary founder of Bath, Bladud.

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I was gonna say, who is that character?

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-He's King Bladud, and in 863 BC, he was cured of leprosy...

-What, here?

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-That's right, here in Bath.

-Wow!

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Above that, you go into the Georgian period - the 18th century.

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Above that, the 19th century additions at the very top.

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Those big sash windows. You can see the whole architectural development.

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-That's right. It is 2,000 years worth.

-Yes.

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Behind me is the Great Bath, the centrepiece we all recognise.

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It really does go to show what master builders the Romans were.

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-How significant was this as an achievement for a design and build scheme?

-It's quite incredible really.

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This is a big space and it had a huge barrel-vaulted roof over the top of it,

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with these great columns supporting that.

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You had all the water, which they'd already harnessed, flowing in.

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They also had lead pipes, which were taking water into other baths, too.

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You had the west baths, the east baths.

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It's a huge complex which developed over time - it went through many phases of development.

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This was always the heart, the Great Bath in front of us.

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That's incredible, the plumbing system that they put in then.

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-That's right. We couldn't reproduce this today if we tried.

-No!

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So, was it an important part of Roman culture, to take a bath here?

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It was. It was a social centre - this is where people hung out.

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This is where they relaxed.

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People would also have carried out business deals here as well.

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So it's a bit like going down the pub. Sort of, wheeling and dealing.

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That's right, yes. That sort of place.

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Another important element to this site would be the temple.

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We're standing in at right now.

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You've got to use your imagination - it would have been an open courtyard.

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-It wouldn't have this dark ceiling, would it, Marek?

-No.

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So, what went on here?

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You would have had the Temple of Minerva here just behind us.

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And that's her up there?

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That's her, she was discovered in a drain in 1727.

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At that time, nobody really knew much about Roman Bath.

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Now we've got the temple there.

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We've only got the steps - there's still an awful lot to be discovered.

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What we have got is the pediment, which had the Gorgon's head at the very centre.

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It's been described as one of the best Roman temple pediments

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in the whole of the Roman Empire, so it's quite an important discovery.

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We've still got that.

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How important is this site to our knowledge of Roman Britain?

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Very important, because it's one of the few places

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where you've got quite a lot surviving particularly well indeed.

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But also, as a whole complex.

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You've got the bathing establishment,

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you've got the temple courtyard.

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The temple itself - we have more to discover. A lot is still buried.

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The courtyard goes beyond where I'm standing here as well. This is just a small area of it.

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And I know this site is very sacred to you as well.

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Especially that little gully there.

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That's right. That's where my career began 25 years ago.

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I'd always been interested in archaeology since I was a kid,

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and an opportunity arose for somebody to work here,

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and I jumped at the opportunity. The rest is history.

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-How wonderful.

-Yes.

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The fall of the Roman Empire in the 5th century

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also meant the end to these magnificent baths,

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and the Romans' sophisticated draining system

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eventually broke down, flooding the whole area.

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All of this was covered in an oozing black mud.

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We're back at the valuation day now,

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and Catherine's discovered a splendid little heirloom.

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Philippa, thank you for coming along to Flog It today.

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You've brought along this rather charming and rustic

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oil-on-board by a WH Snape.

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William H Snape. Where did you get this from?

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It was from my mother.

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She had it above her piano, and there was a pair.

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When she died, we divided the pictures out in lots,

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and this was my lot.

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Ah, so where's the other?

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In New Zealand. It's gone across the seas to New Zealand.

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-To family in New Zealand?

-Yes, my sister.

-Right.

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Do you know anything about the other one, in terms of the actual scene?

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It was a similar scene, in terms of it was a fireside,

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and it was an old woman. Slightly longer and more detailed.

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It would have been really nice to have the pair,

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but we've just got the one.

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-It's in New Zealand, I'm afraid.

-A long way to go back and retrieve it.

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Nevertheless, we have got quite an interesting picture here.

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It is quite solemn. I'm tempted to feel quite sorry for this chap.

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He looks like he's been out in the fields all day,

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he's come back and is just having a little warm by the fire.

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Let's just talk a bit about the artist.

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-He was working around 1810, 1820...

-Quite a long time ago.

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Yes, I'd probably date this to about 1815, something like that.

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The artist tended to paint quite a lot of rural scenes,

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and a lot of these rustic pictures - the sort of thing we've got here.

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Value-wise, I'd probably think that it would be worth...

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If you did have the other one, it would be great -

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it would make a huge difference.

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It'd probably be worth about £600 - £800.

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But on its own like this, I think you'd be looking at £150 - £250.

0:27:150:27:20

-How does that sound to you?

-That sounds fine.

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It's great because it is on board - it is oil on panel.

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It has got wonderful charm.

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It is quite... It's not to everyone's taste...

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No, including me!

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Fair enough! It is quite a sad picture.

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What about its pair over in New Zealand?

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Is that still with the family?

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Yes. I was thinking of putting the money to go on a trip.

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Obviously, it won't pay for the whole thing,

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-but it'll pay for some of it.

-What a wonderful idea!

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You could put the money towards going to see its pair!

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Take some good photographs of it before you go,

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-so you can remember what it was like.

-Yes.

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Now, Eric, you bought this jug - this ewer, this pot,

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or whatever you want to call it, in for me to have a look at.

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What do you think when you see this? How old do you think it is?

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-I think it's about 1920s, '30s.

-Why do you think that?

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It's got an Art Nouveau type look to it - the pattern on it.

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How did you come by it?

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I bought it in an antique shop.

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In a box of copper bits-and-pieces,

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I found that attractive as a piece of Art Nouveau.

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I picked it out of the box.

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-How much did you pay for it?

-I paid a fiver for that.

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-A whole fiver?

-Yes.

0:28:450:28:47

So, you obviously were attracted to it for those reasons,

0:28:470:28:51

-and now you're thinking of selling it. Why?

-Yes.

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Well, the money I could do with to get a computer...

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Well, I tell you what, I'll give you five quid now if you like.

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You've got your money back...

0:29:030:29:04

-No.

-You think it's worth more than five quid?

-Yes. Right.

0:29:040:29:07

What do you think this jug was used for?

0:29:070:29:10

-I think it's a coffee pot.

-What makes you think that?

0:29:100:29:16

When I got it, underneath it was all burnt -

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all black on the bottom, and I thought it's got to be a coffee pot.

0:29:200:29:24

-Cos someone's had it over a burner?

-Yes.

-OK.

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Any jug, or any utensil that's designed to hold a hot liquid,

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will invariably have an insulated handle

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to stop heat going into the handle.

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This hasn't got any insulation in here,

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so you might have had a little bit of bone or ivory

0:29:390:29:42

inserted into the handle to stop the heat transmitting into the handle.

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So it can't have been...

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It won't have been for that. This will be for soft drinks.

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For wine or for water.

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Now, when you look at this, instantly I think of about 1900.

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I think you're right with the Art Nouveau theme,

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and I'm also hoping that this is going to be by WMF.

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Wuerttembergische Metallwaren Fabriken. I've practised that!

0:30:070:30:11

It's a mouthful.

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It's a mouthful. If we turn it up and have a look underneath the base.

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There is a mark here.

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Before WMF used the stamp WMF, they used an ostrich.

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So this is slightly earlier than I thought.

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It is probably late 19th century.

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That is in its favour.

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The only thing that I am really unhappy about

0:30:340:30:38

is this finial up here.

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That is definitely not right.

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I added that at a later stage.

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It did get knocked off and the guy that I bought it from,

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he couldn't find the top of it. So I put that on.

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Originally, I think it would have had a finial

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that was more of a cross shape, maybe,

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because that is what they used to have.

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So this sort of works, but it's not very practical.

0:31:010:31:05

-That's a stud to go over a screw, isn't it?

-Yes.

-Yes. I knew that!

0:31:050:31:10

You weren't going to tell me. A bit cheeky!

0:31:100:31:13

The other thing is the damage, the denting around the base here.

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A little denting. That is not a real problem,

0:31:160:31:19

because that can be dealt with and sorted out.

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So, you paid £5.

0:31:220:31:24

You've added at least £1 in value by adding that finial!

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I think if we take it off and put another one on,

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we might increase the value.

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As it is, I think an estimate of £30 to £50.

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-OK.

-I think that is a fair estimate.

0:31:370:31:39

There's WMF. £30 reserve. Do you want to put it in the auction?

0:31:390:31:44

Yes, sure.

0:31:440:31:45

Sheila, I love French prisoner-of-war work.

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This is a beautiful model that you've brought along today.

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Where did you get hold of it?

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It's been in the family for quite some time.

0:32:010:32:04

It belonged to my mother's family.

0:32:040:32:07

Her father apparently was a mariner.

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Whether he actually had it purchased and made, I don't know.

0:32:110:32:14

The understanding is that the rigging

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was made from some lady's hair.

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Originally, there was some letter

0:32:190:32:22

regarding the actual building of it, and the making of it.

0:32:220:32:27

But that has got lost.

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So you had a letter that gave you all this information?

0:32:290:32:31

I didn't, but the family did.

0:32:310:32:33

-Right.

-And it's been in my mother's cupboard for years and years.

0:32:330:32:41

The actual site where it was made apparently was in Fishponds,

0:32:410:32:45

-which was where the French prisoners of war were interned.

-Absolutely.

0:32:450:32:50

So it was made... And the building is still there now.

0:32:500:32:55

I think the date on it was 1832.

0:32:550:32:59

What I really like about this French prisoner of war work is the detail.

0:32:590:33:03

And the detail is incredible.

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If you look very closely at the hull,

0:33:060:33:08

you can see all the individual planks,

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the way they've been pinned together.

0:33:100:33:12

It's amazing. If you think about the way these people were working,

0:33:120:33:14

these prisoners, the conditions that they were in,

0:33:140:33:17

and the detail that they go to on these models - it is incredible.

0:33:170:33:21

You can see all the little flaps,

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with all the cannons just peeping through.

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At the front, we have a lovely figurehead,

0:33:260:33:29

which has been carved, a warrior figurehead.

0:33:290:33:32

And at the back, the beautiful galleried stern.

0:33:320:33:35

What I like about it as well, is it's in this lovely display case.

0:33:350:33:39

I've seen a lot of these models over the years, in boxwood, and in bone.

0:33:390:33:44

Often they're out of their case.

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But this is lovely because it's in its original display case.

0:33:460:33:49

The main problem with this is the rigging,

0:33:490:33:52

and this is what you'll find with many models.

0:33:520:33:55

The rigging does deteriorate,

0:33:550:33:56

and as these pieces are moved from one display cabinet to the next,

0:33:560:34:01

they are going to get damaged.

0:34:010:34:03

You can only expect that from 1830s to now.

0:34:030:34:07

For somebody to do this, it would cost an awful lot,

0:34:070:34:10

to get it repaired and to get it done properly.

0:34:100:34:12

Have you any idea on how much it would be worth at auction?

0:34:120:34:16

I would have no idea at all.

0:34:160:34:18

Not at all.

0:34:180:34:20

If I said it would be worth about £500 - £700, how does that sound?

0:34:200:34:26

Um, yes...well, yes!

0:34:280:34:31

You would like a little bit more?

0:34:310:34:33

Probably, yes, probably.

0:34:330:34:36

I can put it in at £600 - £800,

0:34:360:34:37

because I know it is very dear to you

0:34:370:34:39

and you don't want to just let it go.

0:34:390:34:42

I'll put it in at £600-£800, protect it with a 600 reserve,

0:34:420:34:46

-and let's hope that it makes a lot of money.

-Yeah.

0:34:460:34:48

What an incredible piece of local history Sheila's model ship is!

0:34:530:34:57

And worth every penny of Catherine's valuation.

0:34:570:35:00

Joining it in the sale room, is Philippa's oil painting

0:35:000:35:03

and Eric's copper jug.

0:35:030:35:05

Let's hope his handiwork on the lid doesn't deter the purists.

0:35:050:35:08

Let's see what auctioneer Marc Burridge thinks of Sheila's model ship.

0:35:180:35:23

Cracking little lot this, it really is!

0:35:230:35:25

This one's something for the purists. It belongs to Sheila.

0:35:250:35:28

It's a model of a ship in a case, obviously, you can see that.

0:35:280:35:31

It was made by a prisoner of war, just outside Bristol.

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Apparently, some of the rigging is made of human hair.

0:35:340:35:38

Catherine, our expert, has put £600 - £800 on this.

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Yes, it's nicely made.

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It's finely detailed for the scale.

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Catherine said, age-wise, 1830s, 1840s - do you agree with that?

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I think it's possibly a bit earlier,

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because 1815 was the end of the Napoleonic wars.

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The Battle of Waterloo.

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He may have stayed on in England, and carried on making this.

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But I think the chap who made this

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obviously knew what a ship should look like of that period.

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And it's a very good model.

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So, really, that should put the value up.

0:36:120:36:15

If the piece is slightly earlier.

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Well, it's a difficult item to value.

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It is, isn't it? How would you value it?

0:36:200:36:22

I've had interest, and I hope, fingers crossed,

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that we'll get to the reserve.

0:36:250:36:27

So, what you're saying is somewhere in the £600-£800 is spot on?

0:36:270:36:32

-I hope so.

-With a favourable wind...

-We'll win.

-We could, couldn't we?

0:36:320:36:36

Well, good news on the ship.

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But first up, it's Philippa's oil painting.

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We have a cracking little oil-on-board now.

0:36:420:36:44

It's going under the hammer. It belongs to Philippa. Not for much longer.

0:36:440:36:48

We need £150-£250.

0:36:480:36:50

I hope it gets a lot more than that,

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because Philippa is putting the money towards a trip to New Zealand.

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-Have you been there before?

-Yes, I have.

0:36:560:36:58

Obviously fell in love with it.

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I loved it. It was beautiful, a really beautiful place.

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Would you like to emigrate there?

0:37:010:37:03

Oh, no, no. I love living in England.

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But my sister lives in New Zealand, you see, so I'm going to visit her.

0:37:060:37:10

Well, it's a cracking little painting.

0:37:100:37:12

-Good valuation, I totally agree with that.

-Do you think so?

0:37:120:37:15

-Yes.

-Good. Nice to hear that. It's not the most beautiful scene.

0:37:150:37:19

He's a very pensive looking gentleman.

0:37:190:37:21

-He is.

-Sort of forlorn and worried.

-I hope someone falls for him.

0:37:210:37:24

I can relate to that!

0:37:240:37:26

I'm very worried right now!

0:37:260:37:28

-Philippa, good luck. This is it.

-Oh, wow!

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And 171, William H Snape.

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Oil on panel, cottage interior

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with the elderly man seated beside a fire.

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Interest with me on the book at 100.

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And 10.

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And 20, 130, with me, 40, with me, 150. Who's got 160?

0:37:430:37:48

Bids with me, on the book, and selling at £150. Who's got 160?

0:37:500:37:53

-Come on, a little bit more.

-All done, then, selling on £150.

0:37:530:37:58

That's a sold sound.

0:37:580:37:59

That's all right, though, because that was the reserve.

0:37:590:38:02

-Money towards the trip, though.

-Something towards the trip.

0:38:020:38:06

-Taxi fare!

-A little bit more that that!

0:38:060:38:09

Airport taxi there and back.

0:38:090:38:11

-Philippa, enjoy New Zealand, thanks for coming in.

-Thanks very much.

0:38:110:38:15

Eric's copper jug. Late 19th century.

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It is a little bit damaged, but it is stamped WMF.

0:38:230:38:26

Unfortunately, Eric can't be with us today, but Jethro is, our expert.

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We should get him his £30 - £50, shouldn't we?

0:38:310:38:33

I hope so.

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There's a lot not in its favour.

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The condition is appalling.

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But, it is WMF. Wuerttembergische Metallwaren Fabrik - I like to put that in every time I can!

0:38:390:38:44

You do! It a real tongue-twister!

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But, you know, let's just see what happens.

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-Fingers crossed.

-Maybe a restoration project for somebody.

0:38:490:38:53

-Yes.

-Maybe.

-We're going to find out right now.

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460 is the WMF Art Nouveau designed copper jug.

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-Lot 460.

-Here we go.

-Interest here on the book at 30.

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Straight in at 30.

0:39:050:39:07

38, 38, 38.

0:39:070:39:09

8 bid 40, and two. At £40 with me.

0:39:090:39:13

-About right, isn't it?

-£40. Bid's on the book. Selling on £40, then.

0:39:130:39:16

Spot on, Jethro!

0:39:180:39:19

-Gosh, I'm getting a few right today!

-You are!

0:39:190:39:22

You're getting them bang in the middle.

0:39:220:39:24

I'm glad we're taking a picture of this - it doesn't happen every day!

0:39:240:39:27

-That's good.

-I'm pleased for Eric.

0:39:270:39:29

We'll get on the phone and we'll tell him straightaway.

0:39:290:39:32

This is the moment I've been waiting for, and probably you.

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The highlight of today's show - that gorgeous model ship.

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So much detail in the glass case.

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Brought in by Sheila. And who have you brought?

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-This is Jen, my sister.

-Your sister. Hello, how do you do?

0:39:460:39:49

-It's gorgeous, this little vessel, isn't it?

-Mmm.

0:39:490:39:51

It really is. The detail is superb.

0:39:510:39:53

We're looking at £600-£800.

0:39:530:39:55

Which is what Catherine, our expert, has put on this.

0:39:550:39:58

I had a chat to the auctioneer earlier.

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You don't know this, but he said he agrees with Catherine.

0:40:000:40:04

You couldn't make it for £800, could you?

0:40:040:40:06

-No.

-The work that's gone into that.

0:40:060:40:09

Months and months of painstaking, beautifully-modelled work.

0:40:090:40:12

It should exceed that.

0:40:120:40:14

Very nice, Napoleonic, French prisoner-of-war

0:40:140:40:16

boxwood model of a 62-gun ship of the line.

0:40:160:40:19

In its glass case.

0:40:190:40:21

-I'm starting here, £500. And 50, 600.

-Good.

0:40:210:40:24

650, 700, 750, with me. £800 now.

0:40:240:40:30

It's with me at £750... 800, 850, 900.

0:40:300:40:35

-Gee whizz!

-900, 950, 1,000.

0:40:350:40:38

And 50. 1,100...

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..and 50. 1,200...

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..and 50. 1,400.

0:40:470:40:50

-That's brilliant.

-..and 50 with me.

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And 50 with me.

0:40:540:40:56

So quiet and so tense. We've now gone up to 1,600.

0:40:560:40:59

1,650, 1,700...

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1,750, 1,800.

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1,850...

0:41:070:41:09

1,900.

0:41:090:41:11

Do you want to go £2,000? £2,100.

0:41:130:41:16

£2,000!

0:41:160:41:18

-£2,200!

-£2,200!

0:41:180:41:20

£2,400. £2,500.

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£2,600.

0:41:230:41:25

£2,600!

0:41:250:41:27

£2,700.

0:41:270:41:29

£3,000.

0:41:290:41:31

£3,400.

0:41:310:41:34

£3,600.

0:41:350:41:38

£3,900.

0:41:390:41:42

£4,000. £4,200.

0:41:420:41:46

£4,300, I am bid.

0:41:460:41:48

£4,400.

0:41:480:41:49

-£4,400.

-What do you think about this?

0:41:490:41:53

I'm lost for words.

0:41:530:41:56

-I don't know.

-£4,500 anyone?

0:41:560:42:00

On the phone at £4,400. Selling at £4,400.

0:42:000:42:05

£4,400!

0:42:060:42:11

We didn't think it would even sell, did we?

0:42:110:42:14

I was hoping for four figures.

0:42:140:42:16

-I was thinking, yes...

-About £1,000.

0:42:160:42:19

What are you going to do with £4,400?

0:42:190:42:22

You couldn't even start to think about it, can you, really?

0:42:220:42:25

If Catherine had said to you at the valuation day,

0:42:250:42:28

"This is so rare and valuable, it's worth nearly five grand,"

0:42:280:42:31

would you have kept it?

0:42:310:42:32

Probably... I don't know, I don't know.

0:42:350:42:37

-I don't know.

-You're shocked, aren't you?

0:42:370:42:40

-I am.

-We've got tears.

0:42:400:42:41

I am completely shocked. >

0:42:410:42:43

I'm baffled. Maybe they're just in love with its original, crisp condition.

0:42:430:42:47

It's never been on the market. It's fresh...

0:42:470:42:50

-True.

-That is what is so collectible.

0:42:500:42:52

It's not dealer property.

0:42:520:42:53

-No, it's not.

-It's private property.

0:42:530:42:55

Thank you so much for bringing this in.

0:42:550:42:58

-They're terrified!

-Yes.

0:42:580:43:00

What a wonderful moment. All we can say is, "Job done."

0:43:000:43:04

Well, what about that for sale of the day?! Sheila and Jan's model ship.

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It was built by a French prisoner-of-war,

0:43:150:43:17

and it sailed out of here for seven times its original estimate.

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What a great day! Sadly, that's all we've got time for.

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From the Clevedon sale rooms,

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it's time for us to weigh anchor. See you next time.

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You can join the Flog It! team in the coming weeks.

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We're going to be at the City Hall in Belfast

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on the Sunday 24th September.

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Windermere and Penzance. So, come on,

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