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The dramatic scenery of North Wales.

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It brings to mind thoughts of romance and chivalry.

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It's a country full of myths and legends, drama and adventure.

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And, of course, Flog It!

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This is border territory in North Wales.

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England's only a stone's throw away across the valley, so when they weren't fighting, they were trading.

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And that's exactly what the people of Wrexham will be hoping to do here today,

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swapping their unwanted family heirlooms and treasures for a tidy sum at auction.

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And we've been joined by our experts, Kate Bliss and Philip Serrell.

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There's a record crowd here today and lots to get through.

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So, without further ado, let's see what Philip's found for his first valuation.

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Now, this is a nice little mug, isn't it?

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-Yes.

-Have you had it long?

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-Well, yes, come down through the family.

-Down through the family? And you wanna sell it?

-Yeah.

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-That's a great local accent. Where are you from?

-Scotland.

-Scotland?

-Yes.

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-What you doing down here?

-Oh, I've been living here longer than I lived in Scotland.

-Really?

-Yes.

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-So when did this appear in your family?

-Well, I don't know...

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-A long time?

-Yeah.

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I just brought it to see what it was, you know, how old it was and whatever.

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-Let's talk about a few things first. What's it made of?

-Silver.

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-How do you know that?

-Because it's stamped underneath.

-Shall we have a look?

-Yes.

-There we are.

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-We've got the hallmarks. What else does it tell us?

-How old it is.

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How did we know that?

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-I don't know, the lion or something...

-That letter G...

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-Yeah.

-Tells us that this was made in 1722.

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-Oh, gosh.

-In London.

-Gosh.

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All right? So it's 1722.

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But something's happened to it since.

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It's been a engraved.

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Well, yeah. If we just turn this over here, we can see that there's a panel there

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and it's inscribed in Welsh.

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Now, I've got to admit I cheated here, right,

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cos a lot of people would argue my English isn't very good, it's a lot better than my Welsh is, right?

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I got somebody to, sort of, give me a bit of a translation.

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-Right.

-It says, "With presentation from the community of Penrhos

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"to Edward Jones, July 1865."

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-It was for him holding office, or something like that, for about 50 years.

-Oh, right.

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-OK, the other thing, if we pick it up, can you see all these marks around here?

-Yes.

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Well, all of that is later Victorian engraving.

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-So you've got a silver mug, made 1722, right?

-Yes.

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Then about 140 years later, the Victorians, all they ever did was

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breed or mess about with silver or carve furniture.

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-They had no television.

-Right.

-And they've improved this, in their eyes.

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They've put all this decoration on there and they've devalued it.

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-They have devalued it.

-Oh, right.

-We'll come to that in a little bit.

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The last thing to know is this hallmark here,

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that is the maker's mark of a man called Simon Pantin,

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-who was a really good Huguenot goldsmith and silversmith.

-Right.

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So we now know what it is, who made it, we know a bit of its history.

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-What's it worth?

-Oh, I've got no idea.

-£50.

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-£50.

-Done?

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-All right, OK.

-You have been.

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I don't know, I haven't any idea.

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It is worth, in my eyes, £200 to £400.

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Oh, right.

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-I think we'll put a fixed reserve on it for you of about £160.

-OK.

-OK?

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-Fine.

-I think it's nice.

-Yes. Thank you very much.

-Is that done and dusted?

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-Yes, thank you very much. Let's go and flog it, then. Thank you.

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You're clutching a little box there which looks intriguing.

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-What have we got inside?

-A nice ring.

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Isn't that pretty? Let's have a little look.

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Well, tell me about this.

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Um...

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I had it left to me by a friend and it was a brooch

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and I kept it for a while and I thought, I'm not going to wear this.

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-You're not into brooches?

-I'm not into brooches, no. So I took it and had it made into a ring.

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-And have you worn it quite a bit as a ring?

-Not a lot, no.

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It's something you don't wear every day, isn't it, really?

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In fact, I was frightened of ruining the middle stone.

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I was told that the middle stone was quite rare, really.

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-What do you think it is?

-I believe it's a zircon.

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Right. Zircon, actually, is a very interesting stone.

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It's a bit of a giveaway, actually, if I look at it with my glass...

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It has a property that

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refracts the light in a way that we call double refraction, whereas other

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-gemstones such as aquamarine just has a single refractive property.

-It's brighter.

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Well, not necessarily brighter, but the upshot is that the facet edges here, in my glass, appear doubled.

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-I see.

-The only way I can describe it is if you have a glass of water

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and you were to stick a pencil into the water,

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you will sometimes get a doubling effect, if you look at it in a certain way.

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It's the way the light is refracted.

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Zircon has that property.

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-And then we've got diamonds around the outside, and it's set in white gold and platinum.

-Yes.

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Now, zircon is a relatively soft stone.

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-Yes.

-On a scale of 1-10, where a diamond is very, very hard, zircon comes quite a way down.

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It is relatively soft and brittle, in fact.

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That's why I was frightened of wearing it.

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Well, as a ring, it comes into a lot more contact with things and is much more prone to wear,

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whereas in a brooch, of course, it doesn't rub against things as much when you're wearing it,

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and I think that is why it's in such nice condition.

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Now, there are lots of legends and myths surrounding zircon.

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It's supposed to give the wearer wisdom and riches, but in fact,

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as soon as it starts looking worn, it's meant to warn you of danger.

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So I think you brought it to us just in time, cos it's still

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-in peak condition and obviously you are out of danger at the moment.

-Yes, good. Good.

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I would think at auction we ought to say, probably, £150 to £200.

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That's very good.

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-And I would suggest we put a reserve on it for you, so it doesn't go less than, say, £150.

-Fair enough.

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-I think that's a realistic reserve.

-Yes.

-Are you happy with that?

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I'm quite happy with that, yes. Absolutely.

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Oh, Thelma, what have you brought in?

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-It is a workbox, isn't it?

-Yes.

-It's a lovely needlework box and it's in rosewood.

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Now, tell me its history and why have you brought it here today?

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Well, it's always been at home, I always knew it was my grandmother's,

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then it went to my father and then to me.

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My sons aren't interested in it, so...

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-I must admit, if you were a young guy of 20 or 25, you probably wouldn't want to inherit that, would do?

-No.

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I would now, though, but then I'm twice that age.

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It's absolutely divine.

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I love this sort of sarcophagus-shaped top.

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It reminds me of the sort of, William IV tea caddies. It is William IV, sort of 1830, 1835, 1837.

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It's hinged, lift it up

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and there's a compartment up there.

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And does that still open? Yes, look at that.

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Isn't that lovely?

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A paper compartment with original fabric.

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Let's have a look inside.

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Nice mother-of-pearl inlay, lovely shell inlay there.

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And that's nice, it's echoed on the little handles as well.

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-Now, that's a faux drawer, that's a faux drawer.

-No, that one does open.

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Ooh, that's nice.

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There's a little writing slope in there. Let's have a look.

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Original felt.

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Oh, that's really sweet. Look at that.

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It's absolutely gorgeous.

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Look at the detail.

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Isn't it stunning? There's a lot of work that's gone into that.

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We've got some mother-of-pearl escutcheons as well, for the keyhole cupboard.

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One thing I did notice when I was turning it round and looking at the back...

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..it's taken a horrendous knock here

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and you've re-glued this on at some stage.

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It's always been like that, as long as I've known.

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It needs to be done again, it needs to be re-veneered.

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In great condition, something like this, all-singing, all-dancing,

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with everything there, in beautiful condition, £700 to £800, that sort of money, because it is quite unique.

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But unfortunately it's a little bit tatty.

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-What we could do is we could put it in with a valuation of £300 to £400.

-Yeah.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

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OK. Lots of memories, though?

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Not really. I've never used it, it's always stood in the corner of the dining room.

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-But it's been in the family a long time.

-Yes, but...

-Feel guilty?

-No.

-No.

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Let's flog it.

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Pam, this is absolutely wonderful.

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Thank you so much for bringing him in. Does he have a name?

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-Well, I call him Henry.

-Henry? That'll do.

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He is sweet, isn't he?

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-Gorgeous, very cute.

-So, how did he come into your possession?

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He was my nan's, who gave it my mum...

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-Gave it your mum.

-Who gave it me.

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-That's three generations, isn't it?

-Mm-hm...

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I said my daughter can have it and she said, "Well, I'm gonna flog it, Mum."

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So I thought, no, I'll do that, then.

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-Really?

-She didn't want it, yeah.

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-What's it made of?

-It's cast iron.

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Spot on.

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You know obviously what it is?

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Well, it's an umbrella stand.

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Umbrella or a stick stand. Where do you think it comes from?

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-I think it comes from the Iron Gorge in Shropshire.

-Ironbridge.

-Yeah.

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Do you know the name or the major exponent of this type of work?

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-No.

-Coalbrookdale...

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They specialised in stick stands similar to this.

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Let's just take this well tray out.

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There we can just see the registration mark and if we look that up, that will tell us

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the specification, date and whatever. This is, as you said, cast iron.

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You drop this on the floor and it breaks.

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-Really?

-You can't repair it.

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So, a lot of these you'll see them in auction with just that, cos this bit's been dropped

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and it's got damaged in a way.

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We can look that...

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registration mark up. I'm not gonna do it now,

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I'll ask the auctioneers to do that before it goes into the sale.

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My guess is this'll date somewhere from about...

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..1850-1875.

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Somewhere in that 25-year period.

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That's when I think it'll date to.

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A lot of them are much grander.

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This is just so sweet. He's got a little dog.

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He's holding a hunting whip. It's just gorgeous.

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So...what about its value?

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I wouldn't have a clue.

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Say it could make £200-£300 and you'd be happy to sell it at that?

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-Yeah.

-About that?

-Yeah.

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Well, what we'll do is estimate it at £800-£1,200...

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Gosh! Really?!

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That's what I think it'll make. We'll put a reserve on it of £600 and I think we'll have, hopefully,

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if it's illustrated properly on the Internet, a couple of telephone bidders and up the price will go.

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Thank you for bringing him.

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-Thank you!

-Good luck, Henry.

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That's our first batch of items.

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There's 18th-century silver...

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Some 19th-century ironwork...

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An unusual zircon ring...

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and, finally, my choice, Thelma's exquisite rosewood workbox.

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For the auction, we've come down the road Dodds' saleroom in Mold

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where Pam's Coalbrookdale stick stand has attracted auctioneer Anthony Parry's eye.

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-This is super. Cast to perfection at the Coalbrookdale foundry.

-Yes.

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It belongs to Pam, it's a lovely cast-iron stick stand

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and the estimate that Philip's put on it is £800-£1,200, with a fixed reserve of £600.

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We've had the vendor onto us and she's now upped the reserve to 800, fixed.

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That's OK. I know we've sold them before for round about £900.

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It's one of the prettiest stick stands you could ever come across.

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It's a little Patterdale terrier.

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-Is it?

-Well, I think so.

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-They've always got large, sticking-out ears.

-Their ears are bigger than their head?

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Yes, and, of course, it's in good company.

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-The Prime Minister and his wife have got one.

-Well, there you go.

-Identical!

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-Because when they were moving into No. 10, they were filmed carrying it in.

-All the more reason to own one.

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That's right and Cherie Blair thinks it's the best piece they've got.

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Ah! It is absolutely gorgeous.

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It's going to do mid-estimate.

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-It's nice to have the drip tray and it's not broken.

-There are no cracks?

-No.

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Come on, stick your neck out.

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I think we'll do it.

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-We'll do it.

-Top end?

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You're pushing now. We'll try.

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I can't wait for this one to go under the hammer. I just think this will do the top end.

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It's George II, that's early 18th century, it's a piece of silver

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and it belongs to Nancy who's come from Scotland, haven't you?

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-Originally.

-Originally, yeah.

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Where are you living now?

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In Bagillt, Flintshire.

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That's not far away, is it?

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No. It's on the doorstep.

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Philip put a value of £200-400 on this, but the Victorians have got a hold of it

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and, in my opinion, they've slightly ruined it, I think.

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-A prime example of what the Victorians did.

-Exactly!

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They carved things.

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They just got at things and cannibalised them, really.

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It has devalued it, hasn't it?

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Yeah, it would have made £300-500, £400-600, otherwise.

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-It's still a nice thing.

-It is a lovely thing.

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Let's do the business right now.

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-So, good luck, it's going under the hammer.

-Thank you.

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58, a silver mug. What shall we say for it, a nice early mug, 1722.

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50, I'm bid. £60. 60. 70. 80.

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£80. 80.

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80. 90, is it? 90. 100 and ten.

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120. 130. 140. 150. 160. 170.

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180. 190. 200. 210. 220. 230.

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240. 240. 250.

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260. 270. 275. 280.

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280. Any more? All done at 280, then?

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You're quite sure?

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-Yes!

-Super.

-That's not bad, is it?

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Mid-estimate, really.

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-You were a little bit worried to start with.

-Yes.

-I know Philip was.

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-I'm always worried!

-What are you going to do with that?

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Well, I don't know. My grandchildren, I suppose.

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-Buy them something.

-I'd get back up in that attic of yours.

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-And see if I can get one with no inscriptions on.

-Yeah.

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Or just look for something else!

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Will Gwyneth's diamond be the jewel in our crown?

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It's a lovely little stone, isn't it?

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-Yes, it is, it's beautiful.

-We're looking at £150-£200.

-Hopefully.

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I'm well out of my depth.

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I know you're qualified with your gems so inform me.

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It's interesting that it's been in a brooch

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because the zircon is a relatively soft stone and very brittle.

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As a brooch, it doesn't suffer so much wear and tear.

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It's been preserved in very good condition

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but now Gwyneth has had it put in a ring,

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if she wears it quite a lot, it will start to show abrasion quite quickly.

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So it's a good time to sell it while it's still nice.

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It's a lovely blue colour zircon.

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405, a dress ring set with a blue zircon stone

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surrounded by four diamonds, linked by 12 smaller diamonds.

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What shall we say for that nice dress ring?

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50, I'm bid. £50. £60. £70.

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£80, £90. £100.

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And ten, 120.

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130. 140. Have another.

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-150.

-Getting there, Gwyneth?

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-Yes.

-160. Are you sure?

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160's over there, then. 160.

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170, is it? 160. All done at £160?

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Are we finished at 160?

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It's going down. He's done it, £160.

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-What are you going to do with that?

-Pamper.

-Pamper.

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Pamper, tell me more?

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Swimming, all that sort of thing.

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-Are you going away for a weekend?

-Just a few days, yes.

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-To a spa?

-Yeah, it is a spa.

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Pamper yourself, won't you? Who are you going with?

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With my cousin.

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-Do enjoy it.

-A girlies' time.

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Girlies' weekend away, eh?

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-Girls on the road.

-That's right.

-Sounds great.

-I'm looking forward to it.

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-You get pampered.

-I will.

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Right, this is my turn to be the expert.

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It's something I love and it's a little bit of tabletry.

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It's a gorgeous William IV, rosewood cabinet for needlework and it's got that lovely little writing slope.

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It belongs to Thelma here who's going to say goodbye to it.

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-It's been in your family a long, long time, hasn't it?

-Yeah.

-Feel sad?

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Not really, no. Sons don't want it, so, get rid of it.

0:18:200:18:23

Good. OK, let's watch it and let's watch it go. This is it.

0:18:230:18:28

285, another nice lot.

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It's the rosewood and mother-of-pearl

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inlaid sewing cabinet.

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Right, what shall we say for it?

0:18:340:18:36

100, I'm bid. £100. A low start.

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125. 150. 175. 175.

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175. 200. £200. 225.

0:18:440:18:47

250. 275. 275 right by it.

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She's stood by it all day.

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£300. 325?

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-No? 325's there.

-I'm going to faint.

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330. All right, 330.

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340. 350.

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360.

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370. 375. 380.

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Another five? 385.

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The lady's winning, 385.

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All done at 385?

0:19:190:19:21

That hammer's gone down.

0:19:210:19:23

I'll settle for that. I think I'm more relieved that you are, Thelma.

0:19:230:19:28

-That was good, wasn't it?

-Very good.

-To the top of my estimate, really.

0:19:280:19:32

Fantastic. Thoughts about what you're going to put the money towards?

0:19:330:19:38

Well. We're going on a Nile cruise in March and New York in September so it'll go towards that.

0:19:380:19:43

Jet-setting. New York and a Nile cruise. Well, that's good.

0:19:430:19:47

-That's good for a start, isn't it?

-A bit of spending money.

-Yeah. Thank you for coming in.

0:19:470:19:52

-You've been looking forward to this moment?

-I have.

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We've seen these on the show before a few times.

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It's the Coalbrookdale cast-iron stick stand.

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The little dog holding the whip. A creation by Abraham Darby. £800-£1,200, you're happy with that?

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-Yes.

-Philip, our expert, put a £600 reserve on that but you weren't happy with that, were you?

0:20:140:20:18

-No.

-But in this case, this is a dead cert.

0:20:180:20:21

This has got to be £800-1,200, so I'm pleased you've raised your reserve.

0:20:210:20:27

-To?

-£800.

-Yeah. Philip!

0:20:270:20:29

-I was a bit mean, wasn't I?

-You were.

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You were a naughty boy. I don't blame you.

0:20:320:20:36

I think these stick stands, they aren't quite the zenith they were two years ago.

0:20:360:20:42

That's why I was being cautious. That's my excuse.

0:20:420:20:46

A cast-iron stick stand in the form of a dog.

0:20:460:20:48

What is he? A Patterdale terrier?

0:20:480:20:50

What shall we say for that?

0:20:500:20:52

300, thank you. £300.

0:20:520:20:54

-That's a cunning plan. A really low in.

-£350.

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-He's working it up. Don't panic.

-350's your bid. £400.

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450 at the back.

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500.

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550. 600. 650. 700.

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750.

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800.

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850. 875. 900 at the back?

0:21:150:21:17

-They like it.

-Yes, 900.

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Come on, let's see it do the four figures.

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925. 925. 925, it's going for 925.

0:21:240:21:30

Anybody else? Not coming back? Unlock that purse.

0:21:300:21:33

925's over here, then.

0:21:330:21:36

950, I thought we were going to persuade you.

0:21:360:21:38

975. 975.

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-975, anybody else?

-Please.

0:21:400:21:43

Are we persuading you or not?

0:21:430:21:45

-No.

-975's here, then.

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-All done at 975?

-No.

0:21:470:21:50

Hammer's gone down.

0:21:500:21:51

-That's great.

-£975.

0:21:510:21:53

That's fantastic, isn't it?

0:21:530:21:55

No problem with the reserve there.

0:21:550:21:57

You see, Philip, you didn't have to worry about that £600 low reserve.

0:21:570:22:02

You're not a bad valuer, are you?

0:22:020:22:05

-No, why?

-You said £900.

-I did.

-You ought to do this for a living.

-I should.

0:22:050:22:09

You're getting good at this. You are.

0:22:090:22:12

The 18th century was the age of romance, and elopements weren't all that unusual.

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For two women to elope, that's an entirely different matter.

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That's exactly what two genteel Irish ladies did back in 1778.

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Faced with their families' growing disapproval of their friendship,

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Lady Eleanor Butler and Miss Sarah Ponsonby eloped.

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Escaping Ireland on horseback dressed up as men.

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It was here, in this very romantic spot,

0:22:560:23:00

just outside Llangollen that they made their home, living happily together for the next 50 years.

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Plas Newydd was a much simpler cottage with Sarah and Eleanor settled here in 1780.

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The mock Elizabethan timberwork was a Victorian addition.

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As word of their unconventional lifestyle got out, their fame spread.

0:23:210:23:25

They became known as the Ladies Of Llangollen.

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They were described as the Most Celebrated Virgins In Europe,

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becoming a tourist attraction, drawing many a crowd.

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Making the journey to take tea with the ladies were some of the most famous people of the age,

0:23:410:23:46

including the Duke of Wellington, William Wordsworth, Sir Walter Scott and Josiah Wedgwood.

0:23:460:23:52

-And to tell me more about the unusual couple is the curator Rose McMahon. ..Hi, Rose.

-Hi there.

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What an enchanting house, it really embraces you as soon as you walk in.

0:24:010:24:05

-It hugs you, doesn't it?

-Yes.

0:24:050:24:06

Tell me more about Eleanor and Sarah, what were they like?

0:24:060:24:10

Eleanor and Sarah were two aristocratic Irish women

0:24:100:24:14

who'd met while Eleanor was teaching at the school that Sarah was attending.

0:24:140:24:20

They both had unhappy home situations.

0:24:200:24:22

They were inspired by the ideals of Rousseau very strongly

0:24:220:24:27

and resolved to run away and make a home for themselves together

0:24:270:24:32

where they could pursue ideals of self-improvement, really.

0:24:320:24:37

You mentioned Rousseau - what sort of philosophies were they working towards?

0:24:370:24:41

They were seen as embodying various ideals of the time.

0:24:410:24:45

They were supposedly living in retreat from the world,

0:24:450:24:48

living close to nature with all the sort of moral improvement that that implied.

0:24:480:24:56

They kept livestock.

0:24:560:24:57

They had cows and chickens which contributed to maintaining them

0:24:570:25:03

and grew a lot of vegetables and unusual fruits of the time.

0:25:030:25:07

They were growing peaches.

0:25:070:25:08

They sound very industrious. Their day must have been packed. What routine would it have been?

0:25:080:25:14

They spent a lot of their time tending their gardens.

0:25:140:25:18

They would read,

0:25:180:25:19

receive visitors, of course.

0:25:190:25:22

They would visit people, as well.

0:25:220:25:25

They had quite a busy social life considering they were living in retreat.

0:25:250:25:30

They were known very widely, yes.

0:25:300:25:32

MUSIC PLAYS "The Ash Grove" by Llwyn Onn

0:25:320:25:36

The ladies certainly weren't immune to the Gothic revival craze

0:25:520:25:55

which swept the country at the time.

0:25:550:25:57

There's carved oak panels everywhere in this house.

0:25:570:26:00

-Where did they get them from?

-They came from a variety of sources.

0:26:000:26:04

At the time, a lot of the churches in Wales were being remodelled

0:26:040:26:09

as a response to the Methodist revival.

0:26:090:26:12

They were inclined towards a plainer, simpler look, so a lot of old oak was being literally thrown out.

0:26:120:26:20

As people came to realise they had this taste for carved oak,

0:26:200:26:24

they would bring pieces with them and this was a passport

0:26:240:26:28

by which they would gain access to meeting Eleanor and Sarah in person.

0:26:280:26:33

Ah, lots of lovely donor pieces.

0:26:330:26:35

When you approach the house and you see the porch,

0:26:350:26:39

-it sets you up for something fantastic on the inside.

-That's right, yes.

0:26:390:26:44

It's that sort of initial impact that a lot of people take away with them.

0:26:440:26:47

It features two 17th-century bedposts holding the little ceiling up

0:26:470:26:52

and also features the gift of the Duke of Wellington,

0:26:520:26:55

which are the two Chinese lions on either side of the door.

0:26:550:27:00

That was the piece the ladies were particularly proud of.

0:27:000:27:04

-They had a porch-warming party and invited their friends.

-Did they?

-Yes.

0:27:040:27:08

I've never heard of that before.

0:27:080:27:12

You've worked here for quite a long time. You must have a favourite piece of carving.

0:27:120:27:16

-I like the handrail...

-I thought you might say that.

0:27:160:27:21

Yes, the mermaid at the top with the lion and finishing off with this little squirrel.

0:27:210:27:29

-It's a phenomenal piece.

-Yes.

0:27:290:27:31

If anybody wants to learn the history of English carving,

0:27:310:27:34

I think you've got every sort of symbol and every piece of Celtic folklore going on here, haven't you?

0:27:340:27:40

-Yes.

-Everything. All at once. You've got the tree of life carved up there,

0:27:400:27:43

you've got caryatids.

0:27:430:27:46

Here's the green man, the symbol of the green man,

0:27:460:27:49

-the pagan god.

-Yes.

0:27:490:27:50

What I do like is the Welsh dragon up there.

0:27:500:27:54

-Look at that one.

-What else?

0:27:540:27:57

Apart from the wood carvings, the ladies collected many other curiosities,

0:28:040:28:08

and on Sarah's death in 1832, the entire contents of the house were sold.

0:28:080:28:13

The sale catalogue reads a little bit like this.

0:28:130:28:16

Listen to this.

0:28:160:28:17

"Lots include three copper battle-axe heads, and lava from Mount Vesuvius,

0:28:170:28:22

"teeth from the cachalot, walrus and elephantine seal,

0:28:220:28:26

"a large fossil foot and an Etruscan vase."

0:28:260:28:28

Well, it just goes to show that their collection was as eccentric as they were.

0:28:280:28:33

Angela, I think this is really fun.

0:28:510:28:54

In fact, I think it's one of the most fun things I've seen today.

0:28:540:28:58

It hasn't got huge value, but it's a lovely little collectors' piece.

0:28:580:29:02

Tell me where it came from.

0:29:020:29:03

It belonged to my grandmother

0:29:030:29:05

and it always lived in a corner cupboard.

0:29:050:29:07

The corner cupboard's full of bits and pieces.

0:29:070:29:10

It's just sitting there,

0:29:100:29:12

been there ever since.

0:29:120:29:13

It came with the cupboard?

0:29:130:29:14

-Yes, it did.

-What do you think of it?

0:29:140:29:17

I quite like it, but nobody's looking at it. It's not doing anything.

0:29:170:29:22

So you want to get rid of it?

0:29:220:29:24

My family aren't interested in it.

0:29:240:29:26

-It is, of course, a snuffbox.

-Oh, right.

0:29:260:29:29

If we open up the lid, we see where the snuff would have gone in here,

0:29:290:29:34

and we can also see that it's made of papier-mache,

0:29:340:29:37

like a lot of snuffboxes in the 19th century

0:29:370:29:41

and I would say this is certainly Victorian,

0:29:410:29:44

probably around 1860-1870 in date.

0:29:440:29:47

Right.

0:29:470:29:48

The lid here is printed

0:29:480:29:52

and then over-painted in the colours

0:29:520:29:54

-to give the colour decoration.

-Oh, right.

0:29:540:29:56

It's typical of sort of mottoware

0:29:560:29:59

that was made in the Victorian period.

0:29:590:30:02

I like it because it's got a little bit of humour about it.

0:30:020:30:06

-Yes.

-And the motto reads,

0:30:060:30:08

"Does your mother know you're out?"

0:30:080:30:11

But the way that the "out" is spelled, "aut",

0:30:110:30:15

to me suggests a little bit of dialect almost.

0:30:150:30:19

-It suggests to me Yorkshire.

-Right.

0:30:190:30:21

-YORKSHIRE ACCENT Does your mother know you're out?

-Yes, yes.

0:30:210:30:25

Of course, it's referring in a very humorous way

0:30:250:30:27

to a strict Victorian household,

0:30:270:30:30

something a matron would say,

0:30:300:30:33

making sure that a mother knew where her offspring were.

0:30:330:30:38

-Right, yes.

-But the funny thing about it is

0:30:380:30:40

to put it in the sphere of hens and chickens and cockerels

0:30:400:30:43

-really just gives it that humorous twist, doesn't it?

-Yes.

0:30:430:30:46

It took quite a bit of explaining, but it is a fun little piece.

0:30:460:30:50

And also in super condition.

0:30:510:30:54

Well, what about value?

0:30:540:30:55

I think as a little collector's piece in such nice condition,

0:30:550:30:58

we're certainly looking at £50-£80.

0:30:580:31:00

Really? Goodness.

0:31:000:31:01

-Some people may a little bit more because it's not the sort of motto you see every day.

-No.

0:31:010:31:06

My word!

0:31:060:31:08

-Little thing like that.

-Is that more than you thought?

-It is. Yes.

0:31:080:31:12

Definitely.

0:31:120:31:13

-Well, I think it's really fun. Thanks for bringing it along.

-Thank you.

0:31:130:31:16

I think this is a really lovely watercolour.

0:31:310:31:33

How long have you owned it?

0:31:330:31:35

I've had it about 15 years.

0:31:350:31:38

I inherited it from my mother-in-law and I've now moved into quite a small, modern house

0:31:380:31:45

and it isn't in the right setting.

0:31:450:31:49

You know who the artist is?

0:31:490:31:52

Um, it is named as Malcolm Crosse, but I don't know anything about him.

0:31:520:31:57

We've got a little script on the slip here.

0:31:570:32:01

-Yes.

-But it is also signed just over here,

0:32:010:32:04

which is good.

0:32:040:32:06

People have different views of what they look for in a painting.

0:32:060:32:10

I think that if you're looking at a watercolour or an oil painting,

0:32:100:32:13

-I like to be able to look at it more than one time and see different things.

-Yes.

0:32:130:32:18

If you look here,

0:32:180:32:19

you've got... It looks like a church there.

0:32:190:32:21

Running along, we've got a river here.

0:32:210:32:24

We've got this chimney.

0:32:240:32:25

And it just stands looking at.

0:32:250:32:28

You can look at this more than once and I think it's really good.

0:32:280:32:31

How do you think we arrive at a value for these things?

0:32:310:32:35

-I don't know.

-I'm sure it must look like guesswork most of the time!

0:32:350:32:39

But there is a bit of a method... Valuation is all about comparison.

0:32:390:32:43

-Right.

-OK?

0:32:430:32:45

So what I've done

0:32:450:32:47

is I have looked up prices that Malcolm Crosse has realised in the last two years or so

0:32:470:32:53

in a reference book called The Art Sales Index.

0:32:530:32:56

I've found two prices.

0:32:560:32:58

One was £440

0:32:580:33:00

and the other for a much bigger picture that was £560.

0:33:000:33:03

-Gosh.

-They were both watercolours. One was a Devon scene.

0:33:030:33:08

-Yes.

-And the other, I think, was a Lake District scene.

0:33:080:33:12

This is obviously an Irish scene.

0:33:120:33:13

From what I've been able to find,

0:33:130:33:16

he produced pastoral scenes. He was a 20th-century artist.

0:33:160:33:20

Right.

0:33:200:33:21

And he's quite sought after.

0:33:210:33:22

-Oh. Good.

-But I think you've got to pitch this just right.

0:33:220:33:26

And I think we've got to estimate this at £250-£350.

0:33:260:33:30

Right.

0:33:300:33:31

And I think you need to put a reserve on it of £200. OK?

0:33:310:33:35

Yeah, that's super. Yes.

0:33:350:33:37

Um, it's nice to know that he was a sought-after artist, really.

0:33:370:33:41

Marion, this might be quite a small, little pot,

0:33:460:33:49

but I think there's more to it than meets the eye.

0:33:490:33:52

-Right...good.

-Where did it come from?

0:33:520:33:54

It was my grandparents' on my mother's side.

0:33:540:33:56

It's just been handed down and I actually know nothing about it,

0:33:560:33:59

other than I think it's very pretty.

0:33:590:34:02

It's got, I think, lizards or something on the side

0:34:020:34:05

and looks like peacock feathers,

0:34:050:34:08

-but...tell me more, please.

-Well, I think you're absolutely right.

0:34:080:34:10

Can you see this lovely blue glaze has a slight sheen to it?

0:34:100:34:15

In fact, it tells us it's part of the lusterware range

0:34:150:34:20

-made by the Pilkington's pottery factory.

-Right. I didn't know that.

0:34:200:34:24

Pilkington's really rose to acclaim when a chap called William Burton joined the factory.

0:34:240:34:30

He came from the Wedgwood factory

0:34:300:34:32

and joined Pilkington's about 1897.

0:34:320:34:35

But it really was put on the map

0:34:350:34:37

when the factory exhibited at the International Exhibition in Paris in 1900.

0:34:370:34:42

-Right.

-Now, the unusual thing about this one is that it's so small.

0:34:420:34:47

I've seen a lot of Pilkington vases

0:34:480:34:49

so...

0:34:490:34:50

or even a little bit bigger.

0:34:500:34:52

But this is perhaps the smallest piece I've seen.

0:34:520:34:55

So it's quite a diddy thing.

0:34:550:34:57

-Little posy vase, I would suggest.

-You wouldn't get many in there.

0:34:570:35:00

You couldn't get many in there, no.

0:35:000:35:02

But its shape also suggests a snuff bottle to me.

0:35:020:35:06

Oh, right.

0:35:060:35:08

You pointed out very cleverly

0:35:080:35:11

these lizard motifs on the shoulders here,

0:35:110:35:13

which are applied,

0:35:130:35:14

obviously raised decoration.

0:35:140:35:16

And they hark back to oriental influence.

0:35:160:35:21

The oriental, or the chinoiserie as it was known, influence

0:35:210:35:25

was very prominent at the end of the 19th century.

0:35:250:35:28

And this is the influence that we see here.

0:35:280:35:32

-And the shape of the snuff bottle is also oriental.

-It's a nice shape.

0:35:320:35:35

-Yes, it is, isn't it?

-Yes.

0:35:350:35:38

So, what about value? Well, the condition is lovely.

0:35:380:35:40

You've obviously looked after it well.

0:35:400:35:42

Well, it's been stuck in a cabinet, so it doesn't get handled.

0:35:420:35:46

It sits there year in, year out.

0:35:460:35:48

-But it's pretty.

-What do you think it's worth?

0:35:480:35:51

What would you pay for it?

0:35:510:35:53

I'd probably pay...

0:35:530:35:55

£50-£100.

0:35:550:35:57

-Mm-hm?

-Yes. I think.

0:35:570:35:59

Well, I'm gonna say a little bit more than that.

0:35:590:36:02

I'm gonna say £150-£200.

0:36:020:36:03

Really? Gosh.

0:36:030:36:05

It certainly ought to do £150. I would hope it would make £200 and perhaps a little bit more,

0:36:050:36:09

-if two collectors want it.

-Well, that's really exciting.

0:36:090:36:12

Pilkington's is very commercial at the moment, very sought after.

0:36:120:36:15

So you're selling it at the right time.

0:36:150:36:17

-Wonderful.

-Well, I'm very pleased you brought it along.

0:36:170:36:19

-Yes, so am I now, because it was last minute, spur of the moment, you know.

-Was it?

0:36:190:36:24

-"Perhaps I will put it in," so that's good.

-Great.

-Thank you.

0:36:240:36:27

So back to the auction where we've got a feast of decorative items up for sale.

0:36:280:36:33

Angela's sweet little papier-mache snuffbox,

0:36:330:36:36

Jo's pretty watercolour

0:36:360:36:37

of County Wicklow,

0:36:370:36:39

and the tiniest Pilkington vase you've ever seen.

0:36:390:36:42

Well, we have Angela here, just in the nick of time in this packed saleroom.

0:36:440:36:49

This gorgeous Victorian snuffbox is going under the hammer - £50-£80.

0:36:490:36:53

It's so small and so tiny and so beautiful.

0:36:530:36:56

What I want to know is - why are you flogging this?

0:36:560:36:59

It's been stuck in a cupboard for over 50 years and nobody's bothered.

0:36:590:37:04

-Didn't even know it was there.

-You'd forgotten about it?

0:37:040:37:07

I knew it was there but my family swear they've never seen it before.

0:37:080:37:12

"Haven't seen it for a long time - might as well flog it." I hope we get the top end.

0:37:120:37:16

I absolutely adore it. The papier-mache is 100% right, the hinges are right.

0:37:160:37:21

-The cockerel on the front says it all for me.

-Great, isn't it?

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I'd like to see this do £100, £120. That's what I'm hoping in my Paul world.

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-You don't see these things coming up at auction.

-Never.

0:37:300:37:33

In my short time in the auction business - eight, nine years - things...

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-Of that quality.

-They don't appear any more of that quality. It's a collector's piece.

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Nice little lot now.

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Little papier-mache snuffbox. £30, I'm bid.

0:37:430:37:47

Thank you. £30. £30. £35... £40.

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5. £50. 5. £60.

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5. £70. 5. £80.

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5. £90. 5. £100.

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£100 there. £105.

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-£110. £115.

-Yes!

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-£120.

-It's worth it, every single penny.

-£130.

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5. £140.

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5. £150.

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5... £155.

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£155. Missed anybody? At £155 it goes...

0:38:220:38:25

-Yes, hammer's gone down!

-Well I never!

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-We got the top end.

-Well done!

0:38:290:38:32

-It was worth every single penny.

-That's really good. Really good.

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Perhaps I was cautious with the estimate but it encourages the buyers.

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Took it right up there.

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I loved that motto - "Does your mother know you're out?" It's great. Just had loads going for it.

0:38:420:38:47

We have a lovely scene of County Wicklow - gorgeous watercolour. It belongs to Jo.

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A value of £250-£350.

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-Let's see the top end, I say.

-Yes, hopefully the luck of the Irish will be with us.

0:39:010:39:06

-It is an Irish watercolour.

-Irish buyers are very strong in the art market.

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-Oh, really. The prices have pumped right up for Irish art.

-Good!

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Let's hope we get a little bit more than Philip expects.

0:39:150:39:18

-That'd be nice.

-It would, wouldn't it? Why are you flogging this, anyway?

0:39:180:39:23

-I've got a son that's wanting to go through his HGV driving licence...

-OK.

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..so anything I get will go towards that.

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264, rather better. Malcolm Crosse.

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A watercolour. What shall we say for that one? £100. 10...

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20. £130.

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£140. £150. £160. £160 in front of me.

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£160. £170, is there?

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£170's on the phone. £180.

0:39:450:39:48

£190. £200.

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£210. £220.

0:39:510:39:53

£230. £240.

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£250. £260.

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£270.

0:39:590:40:00

5?

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£275. £280.

0:40:030:40:05

Another 5? £280. £280's there.

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Another £280. Finished at £280.

0:40:100:40:13

-Hammer's gone down.

-I think that's lovely.

0:40:130:40:16

-It was a good result. £280.

-Yes.

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-Happy with that?

-Very happy.

-Bang on, Philip.

-Yes.

-Bang on.

0:40:190:40:22

-Yes, thank you very much.

-Whoever has bought that...

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-it'll give them hours of pleasure. That's what it's all about.

-Yes.

0:40:280:40:32

It's meant to be looked at.

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Or it could be bought by an Irish dealer who might move it on and make a bit more money!

0:40:340:40:39

-It'll give him hours of pleasure.

-Give him hours of pleasure!

0:40:390:40:42

-And it'll give your son hours of pleasure because now he can get his HGV licence.

-Well, hopefully.

0:40:420:40:47

It'll go towards it, cos it's quite expensive to do.

0:40:470:40:51

-Then he'll be saving up for his own truck.

-Well, Mummy won't be buying it, that's for sure!

0:40:510:40:56

I've been joined by Marilyn. We're selling a family heirloom, aren't we?

0:41:010:41:05

-Grandma's little Pilkington snuff bottle.

-Yes.

0:41:050:41:08

-I didn't know it was Pilkington until...

-Kate, our expert, told you!

0:41:080:41:12

-And did you know what it was worth until you were told?

-No, not a clue.

0:41:120:41:16

-Were you happy?

-Yes I was, yes.

0:41:160:41:18

Happy with the top end. Yes, we all want a little more than what we normally have...

0:41:180:41:22

-Kate, will we get that top end?

-I'm not sure. I hope we get the £150.

0:41:220:41:26

It has got a lot going for it.

0:41:260:41:28

It's a very unusual size. Pilkington's, there isn't a lot of it about.

0:41:280:41:32

So a little snuff bottle is quite fun. I think people are going to like this.

0:41:320:41:36

-Hope so.

-We're going to find out right now. Good luck.

-OK.

0:41:360:41:42

305 - another nice little lot. Miniature studio pottery vase.

0:41:420:41:46

The Pilkington one. £150. Thank you.

0:41:460:41:51

£175, £200.

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-£225.

-£300.

-£300.

0:41:540:41:56

£325. £325. £350.

0:41:560:42:01

£375.

0:42:010:42:02

£400. £425.

0:42:020:42:05

-£425!

-£425. £425.

0:42:050:42:08

I can't believe this!

0:42:080:42:10

£425 is here at £425...

0:42:100:42:13

That gavel has gone down. That is a sold sound.

0:42:140:42:17

-Wow - result!

-At £425.

-That's brilliant.

0:42:170:42:20

-Thank you.

-I'm tingling! That was special!

0:42:200:42:23

-OK, there's a little bit of commission but what are we going to put that money towards?

-"We"?

0:42:230:42:29

-What are you going to put it towards?

-We could do with a holiday and we've got friends in Holland,

0:42:290:42:34

so we'll put it towards that and go out for a really nice meal as well and celebrate.

0:42:340:42:38

Great. What a result! They loved it.

0:42:380:42:42

I knew I hadn't seen many of those so it just goes to show that the rarity...

0:42:420:42:47

-Small is good.

-And quality.

0:42:470:42:50

You can't beat quality. I suggest you see what else you've got and bring it to one of our valuations.

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Tel me when and I'll be there!

0:42:570:42:59

The sale's over and all the lucky bidders are queuing up and paying for their lots.

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We've had a cracking day. We've sold all our items,

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thanks to auctioneer Anthony Parry here.

0:43:110:43:14

We have proved that small is beautiful.

0:43:140:43:17

We got terrific results with the Pilkington vase and the papier-mache snuffbox.

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Sadly, that's it. Join me from another location next time on Flog It!

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0:43:270:43:33

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