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People have been crossing the Monnow River in the Wye Valley for the last past 800 years

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using this bridge, and now it's our turn.

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Welcome to Flog It! from Monmouth in Wales.

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And he's running!

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Monnow Bridge, with its impressive gate tower,

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is the only surviving mediaeval bridge of its kind in Britain.

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Each century has left its mark,

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adapting and expanding the bridge and the tower,

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so it could serve as a toll house, guard room and even a dwelling.

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Today this bridge provides a busy toll-free thoroughfare

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connecting the outlying areas to Monmouth's centre,

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and that's where we need to be.

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And later I'll be travelling out and about to the nearby Forest of Dean

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where creatures can be conjured up in all shapes and sizes.

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As you can see, the local people of Monmouth have turned out in force

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at today's venue, Monmouth Comprehensive School.

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We've got a massive queue, so let's get them inside.

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And already delving into the antiques and collectables

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are today's experts, Charlie Ross and Mark Stacey,

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so, as the crowds flood in, let's jump to the front of the queue

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where Mark is ready to pull the strings.

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-Hello, Gordon. Hello, Barbara.

-Hello.

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-Nice to meet you.

-Nice to meet you.

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-You've brought, obviously, a violin in to show us.

-Yes.

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Now, tell us a little bit about it.

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When our daughter was at primary school she wanted to learn to play

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and a neighbour said she had a violin which we could have,

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so that's how we came by it.

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-It was in a bit of disrepair, so we had to have reglued.

-Right.

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But then my daughter had it and played it for a number of years

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and then later on, a younger brother took it on.

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-Oh, right.

-Yes.

-So, it's had a good bit of family use?

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-Oh, yes.

-Yes.

-Yes.

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Can you remember what you paid for it with your neighbour?

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-I think it was £10.

-£10.

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-£10, gosh. And then a little bit to have it reglued.

-Yes, yes.

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-And you got the bow with it as well at the same time.

-Yes, yes, it came with that.

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-The nice thing with this, of course, it's signed in the case.

-Yes, yes.

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"Stent, 1915",

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and a little number four on the left hand bottom of the label,

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-so it could be his fourth violin, you never know.

-That's right, yes.

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Obviously, you know, we've got the signature

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and I think it's always nice to look all over the instrument.

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-You get this lovely grain at the back.

-It's beautiful.

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And I particularly like the fact, it's nice quality,

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because he's done these etched lines really all round the outline there.

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I don't know if you've noticed there the black inlay or markings there.

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-But it's quite nicely balanced, isn't it?

-Yes, yes.

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It's of typical construction of course,

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except for this rather nice little finial at the end there,

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-which looks a bit like a melon, doesn't it?

-Yes, yes.

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-Or a tomato.

-Someone suggested it might be a pomegranate.

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It could be a pomegranate actually,

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with that sort of seed bit there, it could well be.

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-But I like it. I love the fact that you, almost recycled it, really, didn't you?

-Yes.

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-The neighbour was about to throw it out.

-Yes.

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You recycled it and then your daughter and son had great pleasure out of using it for all those years.

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-That's right.

-Where has it lived recently?

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-Well, in the loft.

-Oh, dear.

-Yes.

-Stuck up in the loft.

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-That's why it's come along to you.

-Come to us today.

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-And hopefully we'll strike the right note on it.

-Yes.

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In terms of value, it's nice you've got the bow.

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-I couldn't see any signatures on the bow.

-No, no.

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-But bows are worth a little bit of money in their own right.

-Yes.

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I would suggest it may be around £200 to £300 in today's market,

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-but put the reserve at 200.

-Yes.

-Right.

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With a bit of discretion with the auctioneer, but who knows?

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It might go way above that.

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-It will be quite exciting, I should think.

-Yes, it will.

-It will be interesting.

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-Have you been to auctions before?

-No.

-No, we haven't.

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-It'll be your first time?

-Yes.

-Yes.

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-We must try it, mustn't we?

-Yes, we must.

-Fantastic.

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Jane, it's lovely to meet you.

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What I want to know is why is this little piggy going off to market?

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Well, he's at home and he's living in a chest of drawers

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-and it doesn't seem fair. And I think...

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-Why's he in a chest of drawers?

-I've put him up for safekeeping.

-Oh, I see.

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I bought him with lots of other bits and pieces...

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-How long ago?

-And I liked him. About 20 years ago now.

-OK.

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-I liked him. I liked his little eyes.

-He's got...

-Character.

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-He's got the cutest little eyes!

-Yeah.

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Do you know anything about him?

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-It's German.

-Yeah.

-That's about all.

-That's about all you know.

-Yeah.

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-And he still works.

-Yes.

-Do you want to wind him up?

-OK.

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Go on, wind him up, let's watch him play before we talk about him.

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-That's great, isn't it? You can hear the rhythm.

-Yes, yeah.

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It's a two bar phrase, isn't it? Listen.

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Oh, he's stopped. We were trying to play in unison, march together!

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We were all marching off to the sale room!

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He is beautiful. He really is.

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I'm going to pick him up and have a quick look.

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I'll take the key out. The thing to look for...

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-A typical tin plate toy you can tell by his feet.

-Right.

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You can see that. This is sort of pressed die-cast metal.

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There's the giveaway sign. It says there "Made in Germany".

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-Right.

-Made in Germany and there, that's what you're looking for.

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-In there, it's very, very hard to see, that says Schuco.

-Right.

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Now that's a German toy manufacturer that was founded in 1912

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by Heinrich Mueller and Heinrich Schreyer.

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OK? And they were very, very successful tinplate toymakers

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and they exported to this country and predominantly really to America

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right up until the Second World War.

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Aww.

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Now, I can tell you he has a valuation of around £40 to £60.

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-Right.

-One sold recently for £40.

-Right.

-In about the same condition.

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-So, that's a good guide price.

-Yes.

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He is part of a trio.

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-Now, there's a fiddle playing pig who's covered in felt.

-Oh, right!

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-And a flautist who's covered in felt.

-Right.

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-Now, if you've got the trio together they're worth £200 to £300.

-Right.

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I'm hoping someone in the saleroom might have the fiddle player

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and they'll pay a lot more than £40 or £50 for him,

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because they'll want a little duo.

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-So, let's give him a value of £40 to £60.

-Right.

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-With a reserve of 40.

-Lovely.

-Are we happy with that?

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-I'm happy with that.

-Sure?

-Yes.

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Let's wind him up one more time

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-and march out with him, shall we?

-OK.

-Go on, then.

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There we go.

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It's slowing down now!

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Zana, he is super. I love him.

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When you brought him along, did you know anything about him?

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-I knew a little, that he was an Austrian bronze.

-Yeah.

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And obviously I tipped him up and checked on the name.

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-Had a look, yes.

-He's just been in the family.

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I suspect when you tipped it up, you saw the name Geschuetz.

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-That's right, yes.

-Manufactured. Where did he come from?

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-He was grandma's.

-Right.

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And he sat on her sideboard in the parlour,

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but there was another little boy that had his head in his hands

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and they both were looking at the little pot,

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-which I'm not quite sure...

-At the pot?

-Yes.

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And I'm not quite sure quite what was brewing in the pot.

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-What do you think?

-I don't know.

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Something a little wicked or perhaps coffee.

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-Coffee, I think.

-Coffee.

-Don't get too excited.

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-OK. Right.

-I think the pot's too big

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-and it's traditional Moroccan or whatever shape...

-Yes.

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-Or even Middle Eastern shape for a coffee pot.

-Right.

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-So, I think we can say coffee...

-Coffee.

-Quite safely.

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-Nothing more risque than that.

-Right.

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And you're right, it is Austrian. Date?

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-Late 19th century.

-Yeah.

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-Late 19th century. It's about 1890.

-Right.

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Cold cast bronze and hence its weight. It's very heavy.

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-Yes, it is heavy, isn't it?

-Yes.

-Yes.

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-I'm just going to check underneath.

-Right.

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-There we are, it's clear, isn't it?

-Yes. Austrian Geschuetz.

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The paintwork is in such good condition.

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-It's quite good, isn't it?

-Quite often these have been...

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-They've gone out of fashion, been put in boxes with other ones and the paintwork chips.

-Yes.

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And if you lose the paint, frankly, you lose a huge amount of the value.

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You can repaint it, but you'd never replicate that patination.

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No, I understand that.

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There's a little bit off the hat, off the fez, but the rest of it is splendid.

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-And I love the modelling of the logs.

-The coals.

-The coals.

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-Little coals or something.

-The coals and the logs.

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I think it's wonderful. Value.

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When you were standing in the queue today,

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did you think, "Ah, that's worth X, Y, Z?"

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-Well, I would have thought over 100.

-Yes.

-But other than that...

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Certainly over 100.

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-I would put a conservative estimate of 150 to 200 on it.

-Right.

-Yeah.

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-I'd like to see it top 200, actually.

-It would be nice.

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-It's one of the nicest ones I have seen.

-It would be nice.

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We'll put a reserve on it of 150?

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-That's fine.

-Happy with that?

-Yes.

-With perhaps a little discretion.

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I don't think I'd be disappointed if the auctioneer used his discretion,

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which would be a tenner or so either way, because I think there will be...

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-Hopefully, there'll be some fierce competition.

-Yes.

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-He's lovely. He'll find a new home.

-Yes.

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Thank you very much for bringing him along.

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We'll see if whoever buys it can find a little companion for him.

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That would be nice.

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-Hello, Ruth.

-Hello, Mark.

-Nice to meet you.

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Very nice to meet you.

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You've brought a lovely collection of silver in.

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Most of it is a family collection?

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These four items here were family, part of our family collection of silver.

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-And the two napkin rings I bought them fairly recently.

-Where...

-Online.

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Oh, you're an internet shopper, are you?

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-I'm afraid so.

-It's compulsive.

-It is.

-You want to be careful.

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Well, looking at the collection we've got really some very usual things,

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but they're nice in their own individual right.

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We've got a little continental pillbox,

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a little silver matchbox holder,

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a little silver bookmark in the form of a trowel

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and, as you mentioned, the latest of your purchases,

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the pair of Mappin & Webb napkin rings,

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which are relatively modern, but a lovely shape

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-and have got a good heavy weight.

-Very, very heavy weight.

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-But the nicest piece I think is this little box here.

-Yes.

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Immediately, you can see it's continental,

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because the shape of the piece of furniture it's meant to be imitating, or copying as such,

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is a continental piece, probably Dutch.

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-So, I would call it an armoire.

-Yes.

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Although it's got a little funny saying on the back,

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-which I think you've translated.

-Yes, we have.

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My friend, Bea, who came along with me today,

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she pointed out this means, "This is a new cabinet.

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"It is mine, don't take it!" Or something along those lines.

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I think it's wonderful. It's a little jokey novelty.

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And I think with the type of marks, the style of it,

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-I think we're looking at around about 1900.

-Yes.

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-Give or take 10 years either way.

-Right, right.

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I think it's quite a charming piece

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-and that is the sort of thing which would appeal to a box collector.

-Yes.

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If I was putting it in for sale,

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I think I would put them in as a little group.

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-Right.

-But leave the description with the box

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and I think as a little collection

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-we're probably looking at around about the £150 mark.

-Right.

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-Something like that.

-OK.

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And I would suggest putting the estimate straddling that,

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so maybe £120 to £180 with a reserve of 120.

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-OK.

-Wonderful.

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Well, I'm very, very happy to have put that in for sale for you

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and I hope we get you a lot of money and we'll see you at the auction.

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-Thank you very much.

-Thank you.

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Look at that. That's what we love to see, a very busy valuation day.

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We've now found our first items to take off to auction,

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so we'll leave you with a quick reminder of what we're flogging.

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Gordon and Barbara's daughter no longer plays this violin,

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so it's out of the loft and hopefully into new hands.

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And Jane's hoping her little piggy will make some noise at auction.

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-That's great, isn't it? You can hear the rhythm.

-Yes.

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Will Ruth's online purchase pull in a profit

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when she combines the silver napkin rings with her family pieces?

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And I'm confident Zana's grandmother's bronze

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is by Austrian sculptor Franz Bergman.

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-Brilliant.

-Oh, my Lord!

-Brilliant.

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Right, now's the time to up the tempo.

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For today's sale

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we've come south to the Athenaeum Auction Rooms here in Cardiff.

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Now, I wonder if our experts are going to be on the money.

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And we'll soon find out because hammering out the prices

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on the rostrum today is auctioneer Ryan Beech.

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Ruth's collection of silver is up next.

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We've got £120 put on this in value.

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It's a good nucleus for somebody to start a collection.

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It is and it's a good trade off as well, in fairness,

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-which we discussed on the day, but I love that...

-The armoire.

-Dash box.

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It's so sweet. Because we led with that

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and then we put the other little bits in

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-just to make it a bit more exciting and tempting, really.

-Yeah.

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-I'd have kept that one bit, I think.

-Yeah.

-It's too late now.

-That's the only bit I would like to keep.

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Lot 284 is the Dutch, small Dutch white metal box

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and other silver items here. Lot 284.

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£75 I have to start. At £75.

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At 80. Five. 90. Five.

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100. And ten.

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120. It takes me out at 120.

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The gentleman standing at 120 now. At £120.

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Standing at 120. At £120.

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-Are we all done, then?

-No bids.

-At £120?

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-Thank you.

-You've got to be happy with that.

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Yeah, very happy, yes.

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I'm going to put it towards something else.

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I've started to collect something different now.

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Time for the little piggy to go off to market today.

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It's that clockwork tin pig which belongs to Jane.

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We've got £40 to £60 on this. It's a cute little thing and it does work.

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Ryan didn't mention it at all,

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-so hopefully he agrees with the valuation...

-Right.

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And it's going to sell.

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But I know if it doesn't sell, you're not too bothered.

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No, no, it can come home with me. I'd be quite happy.

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The Schuco automaton in the form of a pig.

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£15 I have to start. At £15.

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At £15. And 18. 20.

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22. 25. 28. 30.

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32. 35. 40. It takes me out at 40.

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45. 50.

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55. 60. 65.

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70. 75. At 75.

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The gentleman standing at 75 now.

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At £75. Are we all done then at £75?

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-Oh, well done. Lovely.

-Yeah, that was good, wasn't it?

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-It deserved that.

-Yes.

-It was worth it.

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It was absolutely charming.

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Next up, a short musical interlude. It's the violin.

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It belongs to Barbara and Gordon and we've got £200 to £300 on this.

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It's cased. It's a cracking example, actually.

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I love the headstock, so unusual, and the condition is very good.

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-Mark, you've put two to three on this.

-Yes.

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And I... I didn't mention anything to the auctioneer,

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he hasn't said anything, hopefully he agrees with our valuation.

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-I hope so. It's not my usual subject.

-It's not.

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I'm a bit blind on this, I'm afraid.

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-I might have hit a bum note.

-Ooh!

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Well, I... I think we'll get the top end, surely we've got to.

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-I hope so.

-That's what I'm hoping.

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-So, have you done any more research on it?

-Yes, yes.

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We asked the neighbours who sold it to us

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and they're telling us that it belonged to a Burt Gutsell,

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who was known as Bertini,

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and was leader of the ballroom orchestra in Blackpool

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during the '20s and '30s.

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That's a really nice piece of history.

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In the '20s, when it was all happening.

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Let's hope we get the top end, and hit the right note.

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It's going under the hammer now.

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Lot number 535 is a violin.

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Lot number 535.

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Numerous commission bids here. Start me straight in at...

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It's gone quiet.

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£230. 230 I have.

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-Well, we've sold it.

-£230.

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At £230. 240.

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250. 260. 270.

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-280. 290.

-Fantastic!

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300. 310.

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At £310. 320, Mike?

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£320. Yes, please.

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320. 330 with me.

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No? OK.

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At £330. Back with me at £330. Are we all out then at £330?

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-Yes!

-Brilliant!

-That wasn't bad, was it?

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-You could say we've ended on a crescendo.

-Brilliant!

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Barbara, Gordon, wow!

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Yeah, we're very surprised.

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You've got to pay the commission. What are you going to do with £300?

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-Well, we'll split it up between our three children.

-Yes, yeah.

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-It will divide up easily, then.

-Yes.

-It will.

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Great result.

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I think we hit the right note.

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-It wasn't a bum note, Mark.

-That was excellent.

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When we talk about investing in antiques we talk about quality, condition and a good maker's name.

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This has got the lot. It's a little Austrian cold painted bronze.

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It belongs to Zana, not for much longer,

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-and the name Bergman will just definitely sell this.

-Great.

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It's a cracking little thing.

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Charlie, our expert, you fell in love with this.

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I did. I think it's fabulous

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and the paintwork's pretty good on it, which is good.

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I think probably the estimate is a little conservative.

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I think it is a little bit.

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I had a chat to Ryan the auctioneer before the sale.

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A wonderful Bergman bronze.

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This has got "come and buy me" written all over it at 150 to 200.

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It certainly has. I can see it doubling that.

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The quality of it is superb.

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Look at the folds of the tunic, the detailing of the face and hands.

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It's a lovely quality piece.

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I think probably 300 to 400 would be a sensible estimate.

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Let's find out what the bidders in Cardiff think of this little Bergman piece. Here we go.

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Lot number 577 is the Franz Bergman bronze here, lot 577.

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Numerous commission bids here again. Start me straight in at £210.

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210 I have to start.

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220. 230.

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240. It takes me out at 240.

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At £240. 250.

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260. 270. 280.

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-290. 300.

-Brilliant.

-310.

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-Oh, my Lord! 320. 330.

-Three to four.

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340. 350. 360.

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At £360. Back of the room at 360.

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Are we all done, then, at 360?

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-Sold! £360.

-That's good, isn't it?

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-Yeah, we're happy with the three to four.

-Yes. Great.

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You've got to be over the moon with that?

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I'm going to buy a Belcher chain to put on a locket of gran's.

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Oh, lovely.

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Cos it was her grandma's and over the years it's worn,

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so I'll put a new chain on it.

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That's a nice thing to remember her by.

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So it's handed down through oldest daughters, so...

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-Then you can pass that on again.

-That's right.

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That's the end of our first visit to the auction room today.

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We are coming back later on in the show,

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but before I go back to the valuation day in Monmouth

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I'm going to take a short detour...

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to this impressive canopy, 42 square miles of woodland that makes up the Forest of Dean.

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This ancient forest was for many centuries owned by the reigning king

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or queen of England with the trees being used for fuelling industry.

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Since the 1970s this enchanting forest

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has been run by the Forestry Commission for leisure and tourism.

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Today this enchanting forest has become a great source of inspiration

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for many local artists, including the man I'm meeting today.

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Clayton Ryder is a sculptor, but he's got more than just artistic interest in the Forest of Dean.

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You could say it's in his blood.

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-Clayton, it's lovely to meet you.

-Hiya, Paul. It's nice to meet you.

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-I think your work is fantastic.

-Thank you very much.

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-You're a talented man.

-Thank you very much, you're very kind.

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Before we talk about all these, can we take a pew here?

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And I just want to know a little bit about your background because I believe you are a true forester.

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-I am, yeah. I was born within the hundred of St Briavel's.

-What's that?

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That's an old mining term that meant that anybody born within the hundred of St Briavel's

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-could work a year and a day down a pit and claim free miners' rates.

-What do you mean by that?

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Them mines that are run by foresters born and bred still drawing coal from the forest

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and that's the only way that coal is drawn now, through the free mines.

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So, obviously your parents were in the mining community.

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They were, yeah. On both sides of my family.

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My mother's side and my father's side have both...

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-Right.

-I went into engineering, following more of my father's side of history, if you like.

-Yeah.

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And after working many years as an engineer of redundancies here and there

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sort of made me make a decision.

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I'd seen these chaps doing the carvings at fairs and shows all around.

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So, you make that transition from engineering into...carving.

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-Yeah.

-In wood.

-Yeah.

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-So, you're obviously very good with your hands, then.

-I don't mind a bit of work with me hands.

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We're here at the Heritage Centre at the Forest of Dean, so how did you get involved with this?

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Well, I saw a job opportunity come up at the Dean Leisure Centre as a maintenance man.

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-Yeah.

-I applied and got this job.

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I've been here now for... This is my fourth year.

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So, I work five days of the week as the site manager here and then on weekends we get on with the carving.

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-And you certainly have become a big attraction, haven't you?

-Yeah, yeah.

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People from all over the country come here to see you work.

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-They do, yeah. They do.

-Well, I want to talk about your technique

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because I know you don't use traditional carving tools

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like hammers and chisels and gougers, do you?

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No, not at all. I just use a chainsaw.

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-Just literally a chainsaw?

-Yeah, nothing else.

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Everything I do is chainsaw started and chainsaw finished.

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And you... Did you start all those years ago with a chainsaw or did you actually do it traditionally?

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No, I've never been traditionally trained. I'm self taught. It's just the chainsaw, me and a bit of wood.

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So what's the biggest thing you've ever carved? What was it?

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That was a dragon and it was 22 feet long.

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-Wow!

-About four feet across, 22 feet long out of copper beech.

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-And where's that now?

-That's in the Forest of Dean.

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-Oh, is it?

-Yeah. It's in a private residence.

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It came down in the garden and I carved it where it fell.

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I've got to say, on the show we see a lot of carvings of

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-20th century Black Forest bears, you know the ones, so high?

-Yeah.

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Behind you we've got a Forest of Dean carving of a bear, which is full size virtually!

0:23:090:23:15

-Yeah.

-How long did that take?

-It took about 12 hours.

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-About 12 hours working on it.

-It's no wonder you use a chainsaw!

-Well, that's it.

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I can get the finish that I require and the timber requires with a chainsaw.

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The finish you've got is typical of the chip carving we see on the Black Forest work.

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-Yeah, yeah.

-Are we going to get a demonstration?

-You are, yeah.

-Is it going to be loud?

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-It'll be loud for them that's close!

-What will you carve? What are you going to do?

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-I'm not going to tell you. I'm going to surprise you.

-Oh, OK. Am I sitting on it or are you sitting on it?

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-No, it's over there.

-How long do you need?

-It should be done in a couple of hours.

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A couple of hours. OK, all right, then.

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In the 1960s, chainsaw dealers in America competed to promote their products

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at forestry expos and state fairs, so they carved simple sculptural shapes.

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What started as a gimmick lead to a movement of artists who experimented with chainsaw carving.

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While Clayton gets on with his carving, I went to have a look

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at another important role he plays here in keeping an ancient tradition alive.

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For approximately 2,500 years, since the Celts settled within its boundaries, the valuable minerals

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of iron ore, coal and stone that lie beneath this forest floor have been extensively mined.

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To produce iron you need one important ingredient.

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It's charcoal and it's been produced in this forest since 450 BC

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and with Clayton's help it still goes on today.

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Clayton organises three burns a year at the Heritage Centre.

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He carefully stacks lengths of wood over a pit.

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This is covered with turf or soil.

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Charcoal embers are dropped into the central hole and the stack burns for four days.

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When the smoke pouring out of the vents changes from white to blue the burn is complete.

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Well, I can still hear the chainsaw.

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I wonder how Clayton is getting on.

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He's a busy man and time's running out to complete that sculpture,

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but before we see the results, there's another industry that's left its mark on this forest.

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The early 19th century saw Clayton's ancestors heading underground.

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Thousands of men and boys working in the mines that run deep underneath these trees.

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The last big mine closed in 1965,

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but mining continues on a much smaller scale carried out by the Dean Free Miners,

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local foresters like Clayton who still have the right to mine in this forest.

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Well, I know I'm a bit early, but I heard the chainsaw stop, so let's see if Clayton's finished.

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-Masking it! Hiya, mate.

-All right, buddy?

-Yeah.

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That was quick.

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-Aye, quick enough.

-And that is fantastic.

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Isn't that amazing?

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-So quick!

-Just over an hour.

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A wonderful bird of prey.

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I love the beak! God, could you imagine just going wrong at the last minute and knocking the beak off?

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Where did you start on that? Just talk me through the process of getting a block

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and then getting that from a solid block?

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I worked out where his back was going to be,

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-so it's just a straight cut down the back.

-Yeah.

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Tilt the head slightly so then it's two... Two cuts to get either side of the head.

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-So you've shaped the head that way.

-Yeah.

-Then cut in for the breast?

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Yeah. Shape the wings in, cut the feathers in.

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-Feet last?

-Yeah. Easy as that.

0:27:100:27:12

As easy as that! I think it's brilliant.

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These could be the next collectables of the future.

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We'll see these turning up on Flog It! in 20 years.

0:27:170:27:19

-That would be nice, wouldn't it?

-Do you do many private commissions or is a lot of this charity work?

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It's mostly charity work because I work for the museum.

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Anything we can raise goes towards the charity of the museum, because the museum, being a charity,

0:27:260:27:31

-we raise what we can for it.

-Yeah, and they're doing such a cracking job here.

0:27:310:27:34

-Yeah, yeah.

-It's a pleasure to meet you.

-And you, mate.

-You're very talented man.

-Thank you very much.

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The people here at the Dean Heritage Centre are working tremendously hard

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to celebrate and preserve this forest's rich history

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and the continued use of fallen trees like these by people like Clayton

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to make works of art bring that long history bang up to date.

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Out of the woods and back at the valuation tables

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is true forester Jean and she's brought in an interesting collection that caught Charlie's eye.

0:28:090:28:15

Jean, lovely to see you. Where have these medals been hiding?

0:28:150:28:18

They have been in a wardrobe for about 30 years in a box.

0:28:180:28:22

Oh, have they? And you've had them all that time?

0:28:220:28:26

-Yeah.

-And what made you pull them out today?

-I decided I'd have to declutter a little bit, yeah.

0:28:260:28:31

Can you tell me anything about them?

0:28:310:28:34

I know very little except they belonged to my late husband's father.

0:28:340:28:38

-You're late husband's father.

-Who was in the navy.

-Who was in the navy.

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Well, hence this wonderful volume entitled

0:28:410:28:44

World Cruises Of The British Special Service Squadron, '23 to '24.

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And these important warships

0:28:500:28:53

that took part in the war subsequently, in the '39, '45 war

0:28:530:29:00

went on a world cruise and this shows where they went and which the ships were.

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Right, the ships Hood, Repulse, Delhi,

0:29:060:29:10

Danae, Dragon, Dauntless,

0:29:100:29:14

HMAS Adelaide, Australian ship, and that's where they went all round the world.

0:29:140:29:20

Now, the first one I think's interesting, the Hood,

0:29:200:29:23

very, very famous ship which had a very, very famous and tragic ending.

0:29:230:29:28

Now, did you say...

0:29:280:29:30

-I believe he served on it.

-He served on the Hood?

0:29:300:29:33

-I believe he did, yeah.

-He survived the war?

-Yeah.

0:29:330:29:35

He obviously wasn't on the Hood in, I don't know whether it was 1940 or '41

0:29:350:29:41

because the Hood and the Repulse were sent out to get the Bismarck.

0:29:410:29:46

I don't know if you've ever seen the film Sink The Bismarck!

0:29:460:29:48

-Yes, I have, yes.

-Kenneth More at his best.

0:29:480:29:51

And the Hood, which was the pride of the British fleet,

0:29:510:29:55

engaged the Bismarck

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and one shell...

0:30:010:30:03

I mean, it's just extraordinary, one shell from the Bismarck

0:30:030:30:05

hit the Hood, went down the funnel and went into the magazine.

0:30:050:30:09

-Right.

-And blew the whole ship up.

0:30:090:30:12

And there were four survivors.

0:30:120:30:16

Four survivors, so he obviously wasn't on that day, thank God.

0:30:160:30:21

But that's the trip they did.

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There is HMS Hood, battle cruiser, big ship.

0:30:230:30:27

Eight 15 inch guns, nothing compared with the Bismarck, sadly,

0:30:270:30:32

but a big ship and an important ship.

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Then if we just flick through to here, here's one of the places.

0:30:360:30:41

They went to New Zealand.

0:30:410:30:43

There are some wonderful Maori pictures here.

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It was a sort of PR exercise, really,

0:30:470:30:50

for Britain and the Royal Navy to go round the world.

0:30:500:30:54

-It's a history of the world in one album, really.

-That's right.

0:30:540:30:59

And in super condition.

0:30:590:31:01

Coming on to the medals, they're all General Service.

0:31:010:31:05

-They're not medals for valour.

-No.

0:31:050:31:06

The nearest we've got to that is the long service medal, naval medal.

0:31:060:31:12

Beautiful medal. Beautifully produced. These are general service medals.

0:31:120:31:17

The Atlantic, he obviously served in the Atlantic,

0:31:170:31:20

and you got a medal if you served in the Atlantic.

0:31:200:31:23

Served in Italy, the Italy Star

0:31:230:31:26

and that's the general '39, '45 star,

0:31:260:31:28

and that is the General Service Medal, so they tell a story...

0:31:280:31:33

-A story.

-Of somebody that was through the war.

0:31:330:31:36

-Do you've any idea what it might be worth?

-Not really, no.

0:31:360:31:39

-I've no idea.

-The medal here, the long service medal, is worth

0:31:390:31:45

£20, £30.

0:31:450:31:47

These are worth a few pounds each, a few pounds for this.

0:31:470:31:51

I think £50 to £100 would be a sensible valuation...

0:31:510:31:54

-OK.

-..with a reserve at the bottom end and I think there'll be sufficient interest hopefully

0:31:540:31:58

-to knock it up towards the top end.

-OK, thank you.

0:31:580:32:01

-Hello, Don.

-Hello there.

0:32:050:32:07

Now, I don't think we've had one of these on Flog It! before.

0:32:070:32:10

This is a silver-castle-topped card case. Have you had it long?

0:32:100:32:14

I bought it very early '60s.

0:32:140:32:17

-Oh, right.

-I bought one piece of silver each month as savings,

0:32:170:32:23

and four years after I'd bought this, the dealer rang me up

0:32:230:32:28

and offered me four, five times what I'd paid for it.

0:32:280:32:30

-Good Lord!

-And I thought, "Oh, I've struck gold!"

0:32:300:32:34

and I slung it in the drawer and thought no more about it.

0:32:340:32:38

-And what did you pay for it?

-£96.

0:32:380:32:40

Gosh. That was quite a lot of money back then, wasn't it, actually?

0:32:400:32:44

Well, it was. It was to us. You know, £96 was like a month's wages.

0:32:440:32:49

-To a struggling farmer.

-That's it, you've got it.

0:32:490:32:52

Well, it's very interesting. I mean, these are quite well-known pieces.

0:32:520:32:56

-I mean, they made a lot of them in the early Victorian period.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:32:560:33:01

And there are several makers of them and the value, it very much lies in the rarity of the subject.

0:33:010:33:06

-Yes.

-Well, I think this one actually is Winchester Cathedral.

0:33:060:33:13

-Oh, that's interesting. I did think it was Canterbury.

-No, I don't... I don't think it's Canterbury.

0:33:130:33:19

-But...

-Oh, that's interesting.

0:33:190:33:21

You've got the best maker.

0:33:210:33:23

This is made by Nathaniel Mills, who was a specialist maker of small silver objects

0:33:230:33:28

-in the early part of the 19th century and he was based in Birmingham.

-Oh, Birmingham.

0:33:280:33:34

So, we've got, you know, the right maker,

0:33:340:33:36

we've got an interesting item in the fact that it's Winchester

0:33:360:33:40

and the date letter is for 1843, so it's early Victorian.

0:33:400:33:44

Oh, good.

0:33:440:33:46

But we do have a slight problem.

0:33:460:33:48

We have this sort of nasty dent in the back here. But that's not too bad.

0:33:480:33:53

Somebody will be able to slip something in there.

0:33:530:33:55

A good silversmith would push that one out.

0:33:550:33:58

Yes, I would have thought so. So, to value.

0:33:580:34:02

Ideally, I think, we would put something like 1,000 to 1,500

0:34:020:34:06

on this, but you're a canny Welsh farmer, aren't you?

0:34:060:34:09

Well, struggle isn't the word these days.

0:34:090:34:12

-So, you've forced me up.

-I know.

0:34:140:34:18

And we're going to agree to put a £1,200 to £1,500 estimate on it.

0:34:180:34:21

-Well, there you go.

-With a 1,200 reserve.

-That sounds about right.

0:34:210:34:25

-I think it's got a chance.

-Yeah, yeah, well... Be nice.

0:34:250:34:28

We'll see you at the auction and let's hope we're toasting your success.

0:34:280:34:31

-Let's hope Mother Luck shines on us.

-Absolutely.

-That would be good. Thank you.

0:34:310:34:35

Bronwyn, first of all, happy birthday to you!

0:34:370:34:41

-Thank you very much.

-Celebrating you birthday with a trip to Flog It!

-That's right, yes.

0:34:410:34:45

-And then anything planned?

-Lunch after.

-Lunch.

0:34:450:34:49

-Yes, with the family.

-With the family.

-Yes.

-How many family members?

-16.

-16!

0:34:490:34:54

-Oh, crikey! We'd better get a move on, then!

-Yes, please.

-Have you ever worn this?

0:34:540:34:59

-No.

-You don't like it, do you?

-No, I don't.

-I can tell.

-No, I don't like it.

0:34:590:35:03

-How long have you had it for?

-Oh, I should think about 20 years now, but it was my aunt's.

-Right.

0:35:030:35:08

And when she died, it was given to me.

0:35:080:35:11

Right. So, it's been sitting in a box somewhere, presumably?

0:35:110:35:14

-Yes, actually in the teapot, yeah.

-Right.

-Yes.

0:35:140:35:17

-Do you know how old it is?

-No idea.

0:35:170:35:19

Right.

0:35:190:35:21

It's first half of the 20th century.

0:35:210:35:24

1920s, 1930s, I think.

0:35:240:35:26

-Do you know where it comes from?

-No, no, I know nothing at all about it.

0:35:260:35:29

Well, looking at all those stones

0:35:290:35:32

I think probably what is now Sri Lanka, what was Ceylon.

0:35:320:35:36

-Oh, right, yes.

-All these stones are

0:35:360:35:39

readily available there.

0:35:390:35:42

From the left here - and forgive me if I forget, I'm not a gemmologist -

0:35:440:35:48

-but we have got a citrine.

-Right.

0:35:480:35:51

-Then a garnet.

-Yes.

0:35:510:35:53

-Then a smoky quartz.

-Oh, right.

0:35:530:35:56

Then really a rather splendid sapphire, big, deep cut sapphire.

0:35:560:36:01

They cut it quite deeply so as to draw as much colour as possible.

0:36:010:36:05

-Oh, right.

-Yeah.

0:36:050:36:07

Then we've got a cabochon amethyst.

0:36:070:36:10

By cabochon, not cut, it's rounded.

0:36:100:36:13

It's in the form really of a bead.

0:36:130:36:15

-Yes.

-Amethyst.

0:36:150:36:16

Then we've got the zircon.

0:36:160:36:18

-Right.

-And then, although it's a slightly different colour,

0:36:180:36:21

-we've got another garnet at the end.

-Oh, right.

0:36:210:36:23

Garnets come in different shades of orangey red.

0:36:230:36:28

So, it's a nice

0:36:280:36:29

collection of stones.

0:36:290:36:31

It's set in silver.

0:36:310:36:34

Sadly, not gold or platinum.

0:36:340:36:36

-No.

-So it's...

0:36:360:36:38

It's not as precious as it might be, so we can't attach much value to the actual bracelet itself.

0:36:380:36:43

-Have you had it insured?

-No.

-No.

0:36:430:36:46

No, I didn't think it was worth anything.

0:36:460:36:48

-You didn't think it was worth anything. Did you think it was a bit of costume jewellery?

-Yes.

0:36:480:36:52

So, you thought that was worth £10, I suppose.

0:36:520:36:55

-I didn't think it was worth anything at all.

-Anything at all!

-No.

0:36:550:36:58

-So, it will come as a pleasant surprise to be told that it's worth £100 to £150.

-Lovely, yes.

0:36:580:37:04

And I would suggest a discretionary reserve at the bottom end of the estimate.

0:37:040:37:11

-Right.

-So, we'll put 100 to 150.

0:37:110:37:13

If we have... Give the auctioneer a little bit of discretion, which means

0:37:130:37:17

basically if he gets bid perhaps £90 and that's the last bid, sell it.

0:37:170:37:20

-Yes.

-You're happy with that?

-Yes, thank you very much.

0:37:200:37:23

Well, we'll see if we can turn it into some serious birthday money.

0:37:230:37:26

-Well, thank you.

-Thank you, Bronwyn.

-Lovely.

0:37:260:37:29

Let me remind you who's off to auction and what items they're pinning their hopes on.

0:37:290:37:34

Jean's nautical collection is rich in historical value.

0:37:340:37:38

-It's a history of the world in one album, really.

-That's right.

0:37:380:37:41

But will it translate into cash?

0:37:410:37:44

Don has high hopes for the card case. Despite only costing £96,

0:37:440:37:49

he's pushed Mark to a healthy £1,200 to £1,500 estimate.

0:37:490:37:55

And completing the trio is Bronwyn.

0:37:550:37:58

Celebrating your birthday with a trip to Flog It!

0:37:580:38:00

That's right, yes.

0:38:000:38:02

Will her bracelet bring happy tidings at the auction?

0:38:020:38:05

-Nice.

-This is more like it.

0:38:050:38:07

So, it's back to Cardiff where Ryan is raring to go.

0:38:070:38:11

-Next up, Jean's photograph album of the warships and the medals.

-That's right.

0:38:110:38:16

Have you been looking forward to this?

0:38:160:38:18

-I have, very much so.

-Got your lucky earrings on...

0:38:180:38:21

-I certainly have!

-You told me earlier.

-Yes.

0:38:210:38:23

-You put £50 on this, but I'm hoping it'll double that.

-It might do.

0:38:230:38:27

-50 to 100 we'll say.

-Yeah.

0:38:270:38:30

You just no longer look at these and...

0:38:300:38:32

No, it's been in the wardrobe.

0:38:320:38:33

-You just might as well get rid of them.

-Might as well get rid of them.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-Well, look, good luck.

0:38:330:38:38

-I hope so, anyway.

-You look so smart. Thank you.

0:38:380:38:41

From the Forest of Dean, look at this!

0:38:410:38:43

A group of World War II medals together with the book,

0:38:430:38:47

the World Cruise Of British Special Service Squadron, lot 150.

0:38:470:38:51

Good luck, Jean. This is it.

0:38:510:38:53

Commission bids. Start me at £50. 50 I have.

0:38:530:38:55

-Oh, straight in!

-Oh, yes.

-60. Five. 70. Five. 80.

0:38:550:38:59

Five. 90. Five.

0:38:590:39:01

-95.

-100. And 10. At 110.

0:39:010:39:03

The gentleman standing at 110.

0:39:030:39:05

Now at £110. Standing at 110. 120.

0:39:050:39:07

130. 140.

0:39:070:39:09

Oh, there's a bit of a fight on for it.

0:39:090:39:12

At £150. The gentleman standing at 150, now. At £150.

0:39:120:39:15

Are we all out in the room at 150?

0:39:150:39:18

-That's more like it. Yes!

-I'm pleased.

0:39:180:39:20

-£150.

-That's good.

0:39:200:39:23

That's brilliant, isn't it?

0:39:230:39:24

That's good, isn't it?

0:39:240:39:25

-The earrings... The earrings worked!

-The earrings did it!

-Didn't they?

0:39:250:39:29

We've heard this name on the show before now, Nathaniel Mills.

0:39:340:39:37

He's a Birmingham silversmith, but we haven't seen his maker's mark

0:39:370:39:40

on something so exquisite before as this.

0:39:400:39:43

It's a castle top card case and it belongs to Don, who's right here.

0:39:430:39:48

-Well...

-He's getting rather excited because you're not going to own this much longer.

0:39:480:39:52

Well, it's a nice piece.

0:39:520:39:54

We don't mind if it stays here or goes home with me, but...

0:39:540:39:58

This isn't going home with you!

0:39:580:39:59

-Well, we'll see.

-This is going to fly out the sale room.

0:39:590:40:03

-You paid how much this?

-£96.

0:40:030:40:07

OK. Well, we've got an estimate of £1,200 to £1,500 with a fixed reserve at £1,200

0:40:070:40:12

because you don't want it to go for a penny less because you've been offered 1,000, haven't you?

0:40:120:40:17

That's correct.

0:40:170:40:18

-Lot number 330 is an early Victorian...

-Good luck.

0:40:180:40:21

..silver castle top card case by Nathaniel Mills. Lot number 330.

0:40:210:40:24

-Love it, love it, love it.

-At £780 I have to start. £780.

0:40:240:40:27

At £780. 800 is there anywhere?

0:40:270:40:30

800. And 20. 850. 880. 900. And 20.

0:40:300:40:35

950. 980. 1,000. And 50.

0:40:350:40:39

-At 1,050. Back with me at 1,050.

-Oh!

0:40:390:40:42

-I don't think it's going to sell here.

-At 1,050. At £1,050.

0:40:420:40:45

Are we all done, then, at £1,050?

0:40:450:40:48

-It's not going.

-No, I don't think it will.

0:40:480:40:50

I shouldn't have opened my big mouth, should I?

0:40:500:40:52

But, I tell you what, you protected it with a reserve of £1,200,

0:40:520:40:56

so whatever I said it's not going to sell if the bidders aren't going to put their hand up.

0:40:560:41:01

-Well...

-But I'm pleased.

0:41:010:41:02

Do you know that I'm pleased? Because it is worth more than £1,200.

0:41:020:41:05

-Well...

-I don't think the right people were here.

0:41:050:41:07

No, I mean, to be honest, I think on the day we did have a big discussion about this and an ideal estimate

0:41:070:41:12

I think would have been 800 to 1,200. But, you know, if you like it so much, you've got to protect it.

0:41:120:41:18

-Yes.

-Well, it's a very pretty piece.

-Yes, it is.

-Yeah.

0:41:180:41:22

We're only a few lots away.

0:41:250:41:27

Bronwyn's little Sri Lankan multi-gem bracelet.

0:41:270:41:31

So, will we get the top end?

0:41:310:41:32

-Middle end.

-Middle.

-125.

0:41:320:41:35

Oh, really! OK!

0:41:350:41:37

Let's find out, OK? Hopefully, we'll get the top end.

0:41:390:41:41

-This is it.

-Seven stone bracelet set with semiprecious stones here.

0:41:410:41:46

£65 I have to start. £65.

0:41:460:41:48

At £65. And 70 is there anywhere?

0:41:480:41:50

At 65. 70. Five. 80. Five.

0:41:500:41:53

-The lady over there's bidding on this.

-100.

0:41:530:41:55

It takes me out at 100. At 110. 120.

0:41:550:41:58

-130. 140.

-Oh!

0:41:580:42:00

150. 160.

0:42:000:42:03

-170. 180.

-Nice.

0:42:030:42:06

-This is more like it!

-200. 210.

0:42:060:42:09

220. 230. 240.

0:42:090:42:13

250. 260.

0:42:130:42:16

-270. 280.

-Oh, they love it.

0:42:160:42:19

290. 300. 310.

0:42:190:42:21

320.

0:42:210:42:24

330. 340.

0:42:240:42:26

-Oh, crumbs!

-350. 360.

0:42:260:42:28

370. 380.

0:42:280:42:30

-And were still going!

-390. 400.

0:42:300:42:32

At £400.

0:42:320:42:34

With the lady at 400 now. At £400.

0:42:340:42:36

-Oh, gosh!

-£400.

0:42:360:42:39

Bang, that hammer's gone down.

0:42:390:42:42

-Wonderful.

-£400!

0:42:420:42:45

Shoot the valuer!

0:42:450:42:46

Well, I don't know, Charlie, it's a hard thing to put a price on.

0:42:460:42:49

-Yeah, yeah. It was very pretty.

-Gosh.

0:42:490:42:52

But I didn't think it was £400 worth.

0:42:520:42:54

No. I thought it was costume jewellery!

0:42:540:42:56

Gosh! There's commission to pay here.

0:42:560:42:58

-Yes.

-Deduct that.

0:42:580:43:00

-Yes.

-It's around 16%, plus the VAT, that's lots of spending money.

0:43:000:43:06

-It is lovely, isn't it?

-Yeah. What are you going to do with it?

0:43:060:43:08

Well, my husband told me to buy some jewellery that I liked!

0:43:080:43:11

-Buy some jewellery you liked!

-Yeah.

0:43:110:43:14

Well, that's it. It's all over.

0:43:170:43:19

Ryan's still up there weaving his magic, but all our owners have gone home happy.

0:43:190:43:23

We've had a cracking day here, plenty of surprises, and I hope you've enjoyed today's show.

0:43:230:43:27

So, from Cardiff, it's cheerio.

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