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Today we're in what's been described as the most ethically minded town in Britain, Stroud in Gloucestershire.

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This place scores highly on the green credentials front,

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making it the ideal host for Flog It!

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Situated below the Cotswolds, Stroud is a thriving centre.

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With the first Green Party controlled council in England, it's very eco-friendly.

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I've got great hopes for today's show.

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The people of Stroud have turned out in their droves,

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here at the Subscription Rooms, all laden with antiques

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and collectables, hoping to recycle their family heirlooms into cash.

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And helping them do their bit for the environment and their pockets

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are our two experts, Kate Bliss and James Lewis.

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And later on, I'll go back in time to the Gloucestershire village that inspired the work of Laurie Lee,

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one of Britain's great literary heroes and author of Cider With Rosie.

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And without further ado, let's get on with our first valuation.

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Kate is helping unravel the mystery of a stunning silver box.

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Now, this is a really smart box, isn't it?

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-Yes.

-But I suspect, looking at the presentation inscription,

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it has a bit of a story behind it?

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Yes, it does, Kate. It belonged to my mother

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who used to work at Joseph Lucas Ltd, in Birmingham,

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who were very famous for making car batteries.

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-Right.

-And that's their logo on the top.

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Oh, right! That's actually their logo, that little sort of rampant lion?

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-Yes, the lion, yes.

-Right.

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They were given to anybody who had completed 40 years continuous service,

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and although she completed 40 years service there,

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there was a break, when she had me. So, I'm to blame for the fact

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-that she wasn't allowed to have one of these boxes.

-Oh, I see!

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And she was very upset about this. The inscription is from Mr A Wilkes.

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That's right. I'm having a little look at it.

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It says, "Presented to A Wilkes in grateful appreciation

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"of 40 years loyal service, by the Directors of Joseph Lucas Limited."

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And it's dated 1969.

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-Yes.

-So who was A Wilkes, then?

-Well, that's the mystery, because...

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I knew Mum had been given it by Mr Wilkes, but she always said to me,

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"Keep it in the cupboard and don't let anybody know I've got it."

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Now, why Mr Wilkes was quite happy to give up his box...

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-Yes?

-..to give to my mother, I don't really know!

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I don't know who Mr Wilkes is, and my mum died at the end of last year,

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-so I thought it would be rather nice to give it back to the family of Mr A Wilkes.

-What a lovely idea.

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And I've tried to trace him on the internet, and there's been absolutely nothing...

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-no replies at all.

-So you've come to a dead end?

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Nobody knows who he is.

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He probably, in all reality, is dead by now.

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But I hoped that maybe his relatives would contact me, somehow...

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-Yes.

-..and I could have given it back to them.

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-But no.

-So why have you brought it to show me today?

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-Well, I'd like to know how much it's worth. It is hallmarked silver.

-Yes.

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At the same time, I would assume quite a lot of them were made.

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-They look quite well-made, don't they?

-Absolutely!

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I would guess, and again I'm only guessing, that originally

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it was a cigarette box and has been converted to a jewellery box.

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I think you're absolutely right. Because we've got this rather nice black felt lining,

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very suitable for jewellery. And this lovely cedar-wood lining

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would suggest it was originally made for cigars or cigarettes.

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But the quality of the workmanship here is absolutely lovely, isn't it?

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Because we've got engine-turning, a beautifully crafted little logo, or crest,

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and then this lovely, chased floral-leafage raised border

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all the way round. And four little bracket feet.

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The hallmark of the silver is 1968, in fact,

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so it's not an antique piece of silver.

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For that reason, the value is going to have a limit,

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because it's relatively modern in silver terms.

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So is this something that you would like to sell?

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Well, yes, I would, because I don't know who Mr Wilkes is.

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So, in all honesty, it doesn't really mean anything to me.

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In terms of value, I think we need to put an estimate, at auction,

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-of £100 to £150.

-Really?

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-Mmm, does that surprise you?

-Yes, it does!

-Does it really?

-Yes!

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What were you thinking it might be worth?

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-Maybe 50.

-Really?

-Yes!

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Well, I would say, for a relatively modern silver box,

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you would probably be right - if it wasn't for such super quality.

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And you've got a lovely, very usable box here today,

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so I can see somebody paying easily £100 for it.

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I think it's a lovely thing.

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Richard, I have to say, I love Chinese porcelain.

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I'm a bit of a nut when it comes to oriental works of art.

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You very, very rarely get to see it on Flog It! How did you come to have this?

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I bought this about eight months back, at an auction in Cheltenham.

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I bought it, because I've currently been collecting Chinese porcelain

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and before I came out today, I thought I'd bring it along

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and see what you had to say about it.

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OK. Do you know much about it?

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-It's made around about 1900s.

-1890, 1920.

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Yeah, around about that period, and it's a good, I wouldn't say copy,

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but it's a good piece reflecting 18th-century Chinese vases at that point.

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-Brilliant! Probably made for the export market.

-Yeah, definitely.

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Of course, in 1900, 1920 is when the trade links

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between the UK and China were almost at its highest.

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And the Europeans had massive swathes of property

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along the front at Shanghai and they were exporting these vases

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in vast numbers, all over Europe.

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And of course, it might have a Qianlong mark,

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but it isn't - as we would expect it to be - a fake.

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-No, no.

-It was in homage, wasn't it?

-That's right, yeah.

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So it's paying respect to the earlier decorators

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and the earlier designs. However...

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today, if you find something with a Qianlong mark,

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it was made for a totally different reason.

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And the Chinese, they are faking everything.

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They are the best fakers in the world!

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They're faking European porcelain, they're faking Chinese porcelain,

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they're faking bronzes, and the quality of it is just amazing.

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But this is 100 years old. And although it was made to look like

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something earlier than it is, it still has a great market today.

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Yeah, I believe it's got a good value to it, yeah.

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The thing that I love about it

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are these panels on the front and reverse.

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And the quality of the painting is fantastic.

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And that is as good as any 18th-century piece.

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-It's as good as you're going to get.

-Yeah. If we turn it round...

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..another panel with another dog. And the gilding's lovely as well, isn't it?

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It's a really subtle, lovely colour.

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It's got a good look about it and it will appeal to the decorators as well as the collectors.

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So if you only bought it a few months ago, why sell it?

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I'm trying to keep to earlier stuff and when I bought it,

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it was the best thing there, pretty much, and I thought, "I'm going to buy that."

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My collection's sorted of thinned into an area where this doesn't sit,

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so that's why I'm going to... Flog It!

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The Chinese market is as buoyant as any, so this sort of piece

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is now going up in value, and I think will do well.

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What did you pay for it?

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-I paid around 250 for it.

-OK.

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I think that's all right.

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-I think that's the lower end of what it should be worth.

-Yeah, hopefully.

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Would you be happy with 250 to 350?

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-If you put a 250 reserve on it, I'd be happy with that.

-Yep, me too.

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Let's stick it through, see what it does,

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and as long as there are other bits of Chinese porcelain in the auction, I think it will do well.

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Doug, I'm a big fan of Paul Nash.

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-Yep.

-Tell me how you came by this Shell poster?

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Well, many years ago, late 1970s,

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we were on holiday with some ruralists, Graham Ovenden and so on.

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Do you know, I have filmed Graham and his wife Annie down at their farm in Devon.

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-Well, it's a fantastic place.

-Yes.

-He built it himself.

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We were on the beach one day with our kids, his children,

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and he brought a friend along, and this friend went into the sea.

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A bit daft, because it's a very dangerous coastline.

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Anyway, my wife looked out and said, "This guy's in trouble, he's drowning!"

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So we clambered over the rocks, the tide was coming in, and we had one chance to grab him.

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Graham lent over the rocks, I held onto his legs,

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and he grabbed this guy by the hair, and we both pulled him out.

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-Wow! You saved his life?

-Yeah, absolutely, yeah. He was OK.

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So later he said, "I know, Douglas, you're a great fan of Paul Nash,"

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and he said, "I've got something for you here," and it was this.

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-He gave you that?

-Yeah, fantastic.

-You've had that ever since?

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-Since 1970 - whatever it was - late '70s.

-Are you an artist yourself?

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I do paint and draw, I take photographs, I interview artists, I do all sorts of things.

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What can I say? Paul Nash, he was a war artist in the First World War

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and he worked for the Air Ministry in the Second World War.

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He was a great advocate of British modernism

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and he really pioneered the sort of surrealist thing in the 1920s.

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Pushed it to the forefront.

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Yep. He was a terrific artist. He was involved with the surrealists,

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then he sort of departed from that.

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-Yeah.

-But his landscapes, his graphic work, which this is part of, a lithograph,

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-is tremendous.

-And the condition is very good.

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There's a little water damage there. But this is late '30s.

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Yes, 1937.

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-1937, yeah. It's rather a large furnishing piece, yeah.

-Yup.

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-I can see this in a big studio.

-Right.

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Or a gallery. Not necessarily on the sitting room wall.

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That's why we're selling, because our sitting room wall is too small!

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But there are people with large houses. Large walls!

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And we'll find them!

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Have you done any homework yourself?

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-On this?

-Yeah.

-Yeah. We've looked at it.

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We think, possibly...

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1,000, 1,500, something like that.

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If we put this into auction, I'd like to put it into auction

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with the figures that you've just said, really.

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£1,000 to £1,500.

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-Right.

-Can we put a reserve of 1,000 with a little bit of discretion?

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-Yes, we can do that.

-Are you happy with that?

-I am.

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What I want to use the money for is to buy smaller Paul Nash things...

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-Oh, that's nice.

-..to add to my collection.

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You're letting this go for a smaller version?

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-Yep.

-I don't blame you, I don't blame you.

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-Well, look, fingers crossed we'll find a buyer.

-OK, thank you very much.

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And we're hearing all the time about people not doing formal dining,

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and this is the sort of thing

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that, at formal dining's height in the 19th century,

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people would have bought. You know what they are?

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-Open salt cellars.

-Cellars.

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In the 19th century, 18th century and right the way back

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to the Elizabethan period, salt wasn't put in a little shaker,

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it was put in an open salt, like this.

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And the tradition for salt cellars goes right the way back

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hundreds of years, where your position in society

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was actually denoted by where you sat, in accordance to the salt.

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If you were above the salt, you were far more important than if you were below the salt, a long way down.

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Salt was incredibly, incredibly expensive in those days.

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How did you come by them, where do they live, why do you have them?

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They were a present to me about 30 years ago, and I've never used them,

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they've always been stored.

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So, I feel that they've really got to go, you know?

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We've got a combination of silver plate and porcelain,

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and if we take one out and have a little look,

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these detach quite easily.

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They're like miniature bowls in their own right.

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-They're lovely, aren't they?

-Super. Turn them over,

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clear mark underneath there, and that's the mark for Royal Worcester.

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And that's the capital letter "T"

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and that's the date letter for 1882. So, there we are, easy to date.

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The pattern in the centre there, do you recognise it?

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-Willow pattern?

-Willow pattern, exactly.

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It's the most well-known pattern of all blue and white.

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And, of course, this harks right back to the 18th century

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when Worcester was making lots of this blue and white porcelain.

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It's inspired by the Chinese porcelain that was being imported in the 18th century.

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Having said that formal dining is dying, I think the only person

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that is going to buy these is probably going to be a dealer

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who will sell them to somebody who will give them to somebody else

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as a present! Then straight back into the sideboard and never used again.

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Any idea what they might be worth?

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I have no idea, no idea.

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We've said how unfashionable they are.

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But at the same time, they are pretty, they are over 100 years old.

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They are in their original fitted box, and I think they're quite sweet.

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-So, I'm going to put an estimate of £50 to £80 on them.

-Mm-hm.

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-Is that OK?

-That's fine.

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-I think we need to protect them with a reserve.

-Yeah.

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£50 as a reserve. If they don't make that, you can have them back.

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Let's take them along and see how we do.

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That's brilliant, lovely!

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Well, we've been working flat-out and we've found our first batch of antiques to take off to auction.

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While we make our way over to Cirencester, here's a quick recap of what James and Kate have found.

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I tried to trace him on the internet, and there's been absolutely nothing.

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Unable to find Mr Wilkes, the original owner

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of the silver box, Jill wants to turn her curiosity into cash.

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Will Chinese porcelain collector Richard

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make a handsome profit from his early 20th-century piece?

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Douglas seems confident in finding a suitable new home for his much-loved Paul Nash poster.

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Our sitting room's too small, but there are people with larger houses.

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-Yes, there are, and we'll find them!

-And large walls!

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And Anne is hoping to find a sprinkling of cash in exchange for her salts.

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Well, I think it's about time we found

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some new owners for our antiques and raise some cash along the way.

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We're staying local for today's sale and we're the guests

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of Moore Allen & Innocent,

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just a few miles east of Stroud, in Cirencester.

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And getting ready on the rostrum before the sale starts is auctioneer Philip Allwood.

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So, first under the hammer, will the crowds go potty over Anne's salts, valued between £50 and £80?

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-There's a lot of value here for not a lot of money.

-They're good, they're in good order.

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Not as sought-after as they once were. People don't use them. But a lovely gift!

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It's gorgeous. Why have you decided to sell them after such a long time?

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-You think they're very, very pretty. I do.

-I think they're very pretty,

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-but things have got to go.

-Have they? Why? Why do they have to go?

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-I'm filling up the house!

-Are you a bit of a magpie, bit of a hoarder?

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-You're de-cluttering?

-I am, yes.

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OK, OK. Well, let's see if we can get the top end, about £60.

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Lot number 150 is the set of four

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Royal Worcester open salts in the case there, nice little lot there.

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-Who will start me?

-Come on!

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Start me at 50. At £50 I'm bid there, at 50...

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-Straight in.

-55, 60, 5, 70, sir?

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70, 5, 80 then, new blood, 5,

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90, 5, 100. 110, 120, 130, 140...

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-Wow, they love them!

-At 140, 150 with me, 160?

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160 in the room and the book's out. At 160.

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170 now. At 160...

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-My goodness!

-Anne is in the money!

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-That was so good!

-Wasn't that good?!

-I didn't expect that!

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Fantastic result.

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-Thank you.

-Quality, great name as well, and the condition...

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everything was right about it.

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Jill, I love things like this that have had a life, have had lots of use. It's a silver box.

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-It is now a jewellery box converted from a cigar/cigarette box, which is great, really, isn't it?

-Yes.

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-And it was Mum's?

-Yes, it was.

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We've got £100 to £150 put on by Kate.

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-Why have you decided to sell now?

-Because, in actual fact,

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it was given to her by somebody else,

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and that person's name is engraved on it.

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Right, so there's not a lot of sentimental value?

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-Not really, no.

-OK. I can understand that.

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Mid 20th-century silver rectangular cigarette box, there.

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Good-looking piece.

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What will you give me for that? Start me at 100. 50 to get on.

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At £50, a bid there. At 55, 60, I've got to go 70, 5 if you like, 5.

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80, 5 and the book's out at 85.

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90 now. At £85, on my left here, selling at 85. 90 anywhere?

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At 85...

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-Sold it.

-Yes.

-£85.

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-85.

-Just got it away, Jill!

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-Yes.

-A slightly disappointing price, but I think the thing is,

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although it's a beautiful quality thing, that presentation inscription

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which is so personal, would put some people off.

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-Yes, it would.

-That's the thing.

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Well, I've just been joined by Richard and our expert,

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James, and going under the hammer is a Chinese porcelain vase with a value of £250 to £350.

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We're going to put this one to the test, because I know, Richard,

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you bought this in auction not long ago, about six/eight months ago?

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-That's right, yeah.

-And you paid?

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-250 for it, or round about, yeah.

-Right, OK.

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Do you think you paid top end?

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Um...I'm not sure. The Chinese stuff, it can go up and down, and I'm not really sure.

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We'll just have to see how it goes.

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I don't think you paid too much at all. I think this has got wonderful quality painting,

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got a real look about it. It's a good size as well.

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No reason why this shouldn't make top estimate.

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Lot number 140 is the Chinese Famille Rose vase.

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Should be 300 or 400 really. Start me at 2.

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Well, I can start you here at...

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190 I have. At 190, 200,

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210, 220, 230.

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At 230 with me.

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240 if you like, now.

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-At 240.

-Come on!

-250 to me.

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250 on the phone. 260 now. At £250.

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At 250. Are you all sure? At 250.

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The hammer has gone down, £250.

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We had a phone bidder. I don't think anybody in the room was pushing that phone bidder.

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That's the problem, yeah.

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I bet the phone bidder would have paid a little bit more.

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-Anyway, we fixed the reserve at 250, we got 250.

-Yeah.

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-You got your money back.

-Yeah.

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-You've had a play with the market.

-That's right.

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I'm always willing to take a punt on anything, in any sale room, so it's just one of those things.

0:19:470:19:52

-Obviously, I've lost a little money, because I paid 250 and I've got commission to pay.

-Yes.

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But I'm not too disappointed.

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Well, next up we've got that wonderful Shell poster by Paul Nash.

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-It's iconic, it's not expensive, really £1,000 to £1,500.

-No, I don't think so.

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And Douglas here has just said, "I'm so pleased, I've made the front cover!"

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-On the front cover of anything...

-You've got the cover of the catalogue...

-Autographs later!

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OK, this has been viewed heavily on the internet.

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I had a chat with Philip Allwood, our auctioneer, doing a fantastic job up there.

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-He is!

-We're having a great day.

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-He's confident it's going to sell, as well.

-Good, OK.

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And 312 is the Paul Nash.

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There we go, the Kimmeridge Folly, Dorset print by Paul Nash,

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and we've got interest in this, and I can start you at 860.

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On the book here at 860. 880 now.

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At 860, good-looking piece at 860.

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At 880, thank you. 900.

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At 900 with me, at 900, 920 now.

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920.

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940. At 940. 960 if you like, 960...

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-Getting there.

-980.

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1,000. And 50 now. At 1,000.

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On the phone at 1,000 and 50 anywhere?

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Are you sure now? At 1,000.

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Well, he sold it at 1,000.

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-We got it at the bottom end.

-Yeah.

-We're happy, aren't we?

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Fine. Absolutely fine.

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-Yeah.

-I'm very pleased, very pleased.

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You can go off now and do some Nash research and go shopping.

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I can. And also, I don't have to carry it home, which is very good!

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Coming up later, the lady who is hoping to go on a shopping spree, but not for antiques...

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-You want to go shopping, I gather?

-I do.

-For clothes...?

-Yes.

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-Or anything?

-Scarves, earrings, handbags, shoes, everything!

0:21:410:21:45

Not far from Stroud lies the little Gloucestershire village of Slad.

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It's small and easy to miss, but buried here is one of Britain's great literary heroes.

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In the village churchyard lies Laurie Lee, writer of the well-known autobiography Cider With Rosie.

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It's the memoirs of his childhood whilst growing up in this wonderful rural community in the 1920s.

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And central to the novel is a young village girl called Rosie, who he drinks cider with

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underneath a hay wagon, and eventually ends up encountering one of his first romantic experiences.

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So successful was the novel that it went on to sell

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6 million copies, eventually being adapted for television and radio.

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There was something so compelling about the story that captured the reader's imagination.

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It all started here in 1917, when Laurie Lee was just three years old.

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And the opening paragraph from the book reads like this.

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I was sat down from the carrier's cart at the age of three,

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and there, with a sense of bewilderment and terror,

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my life in the village began.

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The June grass, amongst which I stood, was taller than I was, and I wept.

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I had never been so close to grass before.

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Having enjoyed his childhood here, Laurie left for London at the age of 19.

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Whilst away, he wrote the first of what would become three autobiographies.

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Some of the buildings that still remain in the village make an appearance in Cider With Rosie,

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like the old schoolhouse here, which is now a private home. But somehow you can just imagine

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the screams of laughter that would have once broken the countryside silence.

0:23:330:23:38

Laurie's own thoughts on his former school

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were captured in a documentary he made for the BBC in 1960.

0:23:410:23:46

'I had to look in at the village school.

0:23:460:23:48

'It's where all of us went in those days.

0:23:480:23:50

'The present crop are far prettier and tidier. Yet, behind their round, well-nourished faces,

0:23:500:23:56

'I felt I could see the ghosts of several of those sharp urchins I had known in my own day.'

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Another famous landmark in the book is this pub, the Woolpack.

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In his later years, Laurie spent many a happy time here and he is well-remembered by Barbara Hooper,

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who shares lots of memories with him. And shortly after he died, she wrote his biography.

0:24:130:24:17

Barbara has agreed to tell me a little more about Laurie - naturally, over a glass of cider.

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He was a lovely man. People took to him immediately.

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He was very warm, gregarious and made you feel very comfortable with him.

0:24:270:24:31

He was a great tease. You never knew whether to believe what he said.

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He was an educated man, well, he spoke like an educated man.

0:24:340:24:38

He loved art, he loved music, he liked the finer things in life.

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Educated, self-educated rather.

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He was very talented as a musician, as a photographer,

0:24:440:24:48

as a writer, obviously, and artist.

0:24:480:24:51

-He sketched too.

-Was he a Lothario?

0:24:510:24:54

Was he a real ladies' man or was that just, sort of, speculation?

0:24:540:24:59

His eyes would light up when a pretty woman came into the room.

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He never missed that and whenever he met them, he would be very...

0:25:020:25:07

very much attracted to any good-looking woman that he met.

0:25:070:25:10

Yeah. What about Rosie, was she fictitious?

0:25:100:25:14

He said to me, when we were talking here in this very pub,

0:25:140:25:16

"Oh, she was a compound of several people,"

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and elsewhere I read that he said, "She was someone, she was anyone, she was no-one."

0:25:190:25:24

-Oh, really! So it's hard to believe what then, really?

-Mmm.

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A number of people have laid claim to having been the original Rosie.

0:25:280:25:31

Some half a dozen turned up at an event in the Subscription Rooms in Stroud.

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When somebody on the stage said, "Are there any people here

0:25:370:25:40

"who think they might have been Rosie?", six people stood up!

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But I think she was indeed... After all, he was writing this book 40 years after the events he describes,

0:25:430:25:50

and so I think it was a number of little schoolgirls he remembered.

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I held the jar to my mouth and rolled my eyes sideways, like a beast at a waterhole.

0:25:530:26:00

"Go on," said Rosie.

0:26:000:26:02

I took a deep breath. Never to be forgotten, that first long, secret drink of golden fire,

0:26:020:26:08

juice of those valleys and at that time, wine of wild orchards,

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of russet summer, of plump red apples,

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and Rosie's burning cheeks, never to be forgotten or ever tasted again.

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What was the magic of Cider With Rosie?

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I think it was nostalgia.

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It struck a chord with people, either because they said

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it reminded them of their childhood in the '20s and '30s. The round of village life,

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the carol-singing at Christmas, the harvest supper, the fete.

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Or because they didn't know what rural poverty was like.

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Very few people had written about growing up in an extremely poor

0:26:430:26:46

part of the country, as Gloucestershire was at that time.

0:26:460:26:50

Selling 6 million copies of his book, I mean, that's quite an accolade, isn't it, really?

0:26:500:26:55

Did the success ever go to his head?

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I would say not. He always said that it sold well initially,

0:26:580:27:03

because it was Christmas and there was nothing else to buy but bath salts!

0:27:030:27:07

I don't think it went to his head, no. And here at home, I think

0:27:070:27:10

he remained very much the Laurie that they'd known when he was young.

0:27:100:27:14

As well as the school and pub, another centrepiece of Cider With Rosie is this house.

0:27:150:27:20

Whilst his father remained in London after the First World War,

0:27:200:27:24

this is where he moved to with his mother, from Stroud.

0:27:240:27:27

It's one of the most read-about cottages in Gloucestershire

0:27:270:27:30

and it was here that Lee spent 16 years of his life.

0:27:300:27:34

'Here it was, the place where I was brought up, together with six rowdy

0:27:350:27:39

'brothers and sisters, just the same except for a new tiled roof.

0:27:390:27:44

'Of course I felt I'd never left it. I kept expecting my mother to lean out of a window

0:27:440:27:49

'and brandish a saucepan at me, but it was a good place to be.

0:27:490:27:52

'It was once a beer house. It got flooded whenever it rained, it had no gas or electricity,

0:27:520:27:57

'we cooked on wood fires and went to bed by the lights of candles.

0:27:570:28:01

'It had thick, snug walls, rooks in the chimneys,

0:28:010:28:04

'frogs in the cellars, mushrooms on the ceiling, and all for 3/6d a week.

0:28:040:28:08

'It was there we all grew till we ran away or got married.

0:28:080:28:11

'None of us live there now.'

0:28:110:28:13

Sadly, Laurie died in 1997, aged 83, and he lies here

0:28:220:28:26

in the valley that he loved, and at his own request,

0:28:260:28:30

between the church and the pub, you can see down there, that he often frequented and adored.

0:28:300:28:35

But his books do live on for us to enjoy and they remain powerfully evocative.

0:28:360:28:41

Back to our valuation day in Stroud, and Kate has found something she's taken a real fancy to.

0:28:420:28:49

John, you've brought in this lovely bowl today.

0:28:490:28:53

Has this come from Stroud itself?

0:28:530:28:55

Yes, it has, just very, recently in fact.

0:28:550:28:57

It's such a wonderful colour, and when I first saw it,

0:28:570:29:01

I just literally fell in love with it and just had to buy it.

0:29:010:29:04

So where did you buy it from, tell me?

0:29:040:29:06

-Just from the local charity shop recently.

-A charity shop?

-Yes.

0:29:060:29:10

-Somebody brought this in as a donation?

-Yes, that's correct, yes.

0:29:100:29:14

-How much did you pay for it in your charity shop?

-Only £10.

0:29:140:29:16

Just £10? Right, but you like it, you say, because of the colour.

0:29:160:29:20

Yes, I do. And just the decoration, which is so lovely.

0:29:200:29:23

This type of pottery, because it IS pottery,

0:29:230:29:26

looks very Chinese, because of the blue painted decoration.

0:29:260:29:31

It's very inspired by the oriental, but similarly, you may be forgiven for thinking that it was Dutch.

0:29:310:29:37

-Because it looks very much like the Dutch Delftware...

-Right.

0:29:370:29:41

And that is because of its materials. And what we've got here is not porcelain,

0:29:410:29:47

but pottery or earthenware. And on top of that earthenware

0:29:470:29:50

is a lead glaze and it gives it that look used by the Delft potters.

0:29:500:29:55

But I have to tell you,

0:29:550:29:57

this isn't Delft and it isn't Chinese either.

0:29:570:29:59

-It's very English...

-Oh!

0:29:590:30:02

And it was made in Staffordshire. But it was made in Staffordshire quite a long time ago,

0:30:020:30:07

because I would date this bowl from about 1775, 1780.

0:30:070:30:12

-Really? That old!

-So we've got a late Georgian,

0:30:120:30:16

18th-century pottery bowl here. And for all of that, it's actually in lovely condition, isn't it?

0:30:160:30:21

Unfortunately, it has a hairline crack.

0:30:210:30:23

It does. I've noticed the crack down the side here,

0:30:230:30:27

which is a shame, and you can probably hear that if you ring it.

0:30:270:30:30

But the thing about lead-glazed pottery

0:30:300:30:32

is that it's very difficult to restore and also very easily chipped,

0:30:320:30:36

because the lead glaze sits on top of the earthenware.

0:30:360:30:39

And we haven't got any chips, which is lovely.

0:30:390:30:42

But I just love it because of that lovely warm,

0:30:420:30:46

yellowy colour, as you say. And you can see the colour of the glaze

0:30:460:30:50

perhaps best around the foot trim here. And it's got this lovely buttery,

0:30:500:30:54

yellowy colour around here. And that gives it its name, because it's known as Creamware.

0:30:540:31:00

The factory could be early Wedgwood, but a lot of the Staffordshire potteries

0:31:000:31:04

were producing it. And, of course, very English.

0:31:040:31:08

What about value, John, after all of that?

0:31:080:31:10

Taking into account this crack down the side, you paid £10?

0:31:100:31:14

That's correct. I was hoping maybe £50, £80.

0:31:140:31:18

Mm-hm. Well, I'm going to put a conservative auction estimate of 60 to 90 on it.

0:31:180:31:23

But I think a lover of Creamware, like me, might pay up to

0:31:230:31:28

perhaps 100, 120, something like that, despite the crack.

0:31:280:31:31

I think it's the sort of ware that you can get addicted to.

0:31:310:31:35

Perhaps somebody's emotions might take them over, and they'd forget about that crack.

0:31:350:31:40

-A Lovely piece.

-Yes.

-You've got a pretty good eye!

0:31:400:31:42

A pair, I hope!

0:31:420:31:45

Malcolm, imagine, in the 19th century, you and your wife

0:31:510:31:56

were going to the opera or the theatre or a wonderful party on a Saturday evening.

0:31:560:32:00

And your wife wanted to be a little bit dressed up.

0:32:000:32:05

The last thing she would want is a pair of great big spectacles on her nose.

0:32:050:32:09

So what she would carry to this party is this.

0:32:090:32:12

The name is...lorgnette,

0:32:120:32:16

and they would just be raised to the eyes like that.

0:32:160:32:19

-You've seen them in the old Charles Dickens movies...

-Yeah.

0:32:190:32:23

And I always think that they characterise...

0:32:230:32:27

a lady to a certain period.

0:32:270:32:31

These clearly don't belong to you!

0:32:310:32:33

-Oh, no!

-They're not something that you're going to wear, it doesn't go with your attire!

0:32:330:32:38

-I can't imagine you going out on a Saturday night with these!

-Well, I could do!

0:32:380:32:42

But tell me, why do you have them?

0:32:420:32:45

I'm not sure where I bought them.

0:32:450:32:47

I'm almost certain it was down in Newton Abbott on the racecourse in the antiques fair there, now.

0:32:470:32:53

And what I give for them, I really don't know.

0:32:530:32:55

-A long time ago?

-About 20 odd years ago.

0:32:550:32:57

Oh, really, so a fair time.

0:32:570:32:59

-They've been stood in our cabinet and they haven't even been open since we bought them.

-Really?

0:32:590:33:05

These are made from tortoiseshell, and tortoiseshell isn't from a tortoise, it's from a sea turtle.

0:33:050:33:11

And it has this wonderful colour that unfortunately, in the 19th century and the 18th century,

0:33:110:33:17

it almost caused the decimation of the population of the sea turtles.

0:33:170:33:22

Today, it is totally banned. You're not allowed to buy new tortoiseshell

0:33:220:33:27

and you mustn't buy new tortoiseshell.

0:33:270:33:29

This was made over 100 years ago.

0:33:290:33:32

Probably around 1870 to 1890.

0:33:320:33:35

And what we have is that the front and the back are tortoiseshell,

0:33:350:33:39

and in the centre, what we have is brass.

0:33:390:33:41

We have silver and we have gold in the centre and whenever we've got this little gold stars,

0:33:410:33:47

it's called "pique work".

0:33:470:33:51

And this was greatly fashionable in needle cases,

0:33:510:33:55

card boxes and various other little notepads and aides-memoire, all around this period.

0:33:550:34:01

-So this lady who owned this would probably have had an entire set, all in the same decoration.

-Oh, I see.

0:34:010:34:08

But it would have been worn around her neck, so that during the party it would hang down there.

0:34:080:34:13

It's a great object and, you know, these things are collected today.

0:34:130:34:18

It'll either be somebody who collects tortoiseshell pique work

0:34:180:34:23

or somebody who collects lorgnettes.

0:34:230:34:25

I had a pair of these in auction not too long ago,

0:34:250:34:28

and they made just over £150.

0:34:280:34:30

So if we put an auction estimate of 100 to 150, put a reserve of 90...

0:34:300:34:36

-OK.

-..I think they stand a very good chance of selling well. Shall we take them along?

0:34:360:34:41

-Fair enough.

-Let's take them along and see how we do.

-We can do that.

0:34:410:34:45

Now, I think these are rather sweet.

0:34:540:34:56

Lovely to have the pair of pepperettes. Obviously one would be pepper

0:34:560:34:59

and probably the other one would be salt. Where have they come from?

0:34:590:35:03

We found them in the back of an aunt's cupboard when she died.

0:35:030:35:08

-Right.

-We know very little about them, no history,

0:35:080:35:11

so a bolt out of the blue, really. Didn't know they were there.

0:35:110:35:15

-Were they with any other silver?

-No, they were just alone in a box.

0:35:150:35:20

Poor little chicks! That's what I think they are.

0:35:200:35:23

This one is feeding, and this one is sitting here rather squatly. But they look very little birds anyway,

0:35:230:35:30

don't they? Or little chicks. But they date way back to the early 20th century.

0:35:300:35:34

They're, in fact, Edward VII in date...1906.

0:35:340:35:37

-OK.

-They are English silver, you're absolutely right.

0:35:370:35:40

They're both hallmarked, this one on its bottom just here, you can see quite clearly,

0:35:400:35:46

and the maker's initials there... WH...and again on this one.

0:35:460:35:52

So we know that they are meant to be a pair.

0:35:520:35:54

Exactly the same hallmark here, the same date, 1906, and the same maker's initials, WH.

0:35:540:36:00

It's great that they've come through all those years and stayed together.

0:36:000:36:04

-Yeah.

-As a pair. And they're beautifully crafted, particularly on this one sitting down.

0:36:040:36:10

You can see his feathers are beautifully done here, and in pretty good condition, I would say.

0:36:100:36:16

The lids fit on nicely, no bad tears or dents there.

0:36:160:36:20

Lovely little things. So, do you like them?

0:36:200:36:24

-No, not really.

-No?

-I'm not one for clutter and ornaments, so I'm quite happy to let them go.

0:36:240:36:29

-Are you? You just want to get rid of them, really?

-I want some money!

0:36:290:36:32

You want some money, she says, her eyes lighting up!

0:36:320:36:35

So, what do you think they might be worth at auction?

0:36:350:36:37

-I think they're quite rare and also, like you said, to find them in a pair.

-Yes.

0:36:370:36:42

We've no idea. We'd probably like to get about £100, so...

0:36:420:36:45

Well, I think you're right. They are quite unusual.

0:36:450:36:48

I think your £100 is quite conservative,

0:36:480:36:51

but I'd like really to put a conservative estimate of 100 to 150.

0:36:510:36:56

I think on a good day you could double your money and get 200 for them.

0:36:560:36:59

-£100 each doesn't seem out of the question to me.

-OK.

0:36:590:37:04

But I think if we say 100 to 150 with a fixed reserve of 100,

0:37:040:37:08

so they're certainly not going to go for less than that,

0:37:080:37:11

I think will entice the buyers in, and you might get a nice surprise.

0:37:110:37:14

-Lovely, thank you.

-Great.

0:37:140:37:17

Over at the auction house, the silver birds have caught Philip's magpie eyes.

0:37:180:37:23

I think they're just a bit of fun, aren't they?

0:37:230:37:26

-They're in good condition, they're...

-Collectable.

0:37:260:37:29

Very collectable, but one of those things a bit like

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good quality furniture, really. It's something that's usable,

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practical, and at the same time, well-made.

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And complete. Sometimes you just get the pepper or the salt pot.

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And quite often they're damaged, you've got the feet with bits missing and that sort of thing.

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-These are in pretty good order.

-What are you going to tell me, it's going to do a lot more than £200?

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Well, we've put an estimate of 100 to 150 on there, but...

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if it made well at the upper end of that estimate and a bit more.

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-Highly collectable stuff.

-250? 280?

0:38:020:38:06

Well, let's get to 200 and see where we go from there, shall we?

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OK. I'm leaving it up to you. You're on the rostrum in a moment.

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Watch this, because I'll tell you what, if we do get that top end,

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-Alison is going to be really chuffed.

-Ah, yes.

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Also up for auction today...

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-It's actually in lovely condition.

-It does has a hairline crack.

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Despite the damage, will the bidders be bowled over by John's Creamware?

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And finally, Malcolm wants to focus on flogging his lunettes.

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First up, it's the Creamware.

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Well, the pressure really is on right now, because this next lot,

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all the proceeds are going to a local charity.

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And John is donating the money IF we sell this Creamware bowl, and it's a lovely little item, John.

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We've got £60 to £80 on this, fixed reserve at 50.

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-There's a little, tiny hairline crack, but you only paid £10 for this?

-Correct.

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-Fantastic!

-A local find.

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Have you found many more items?

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-Yes, over the years.

-Over the years? Are they going to go under the hammer eventually?

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-Probably, yes.

-You liked this?

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Do you know, Creamware is one of my personal favourites, and you can't guarantee much at auction.

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-But I think you can guarantee that this will make more than you paid for it.

-Yeah.

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If it wasn't damaged, you'd be talking a couple of hundred pounds.

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It's a wonderful bowl, anyway.

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Lot 100, which is the Creamware fruit bowl.

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The money for this is going to the Cotswold Care Hospice,

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so you can do your bit for charity here today. Start me at 50?

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£30 to get on.

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20, then.

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-Gosh!

-Nice little Creamware, £20, a bid there at 20, 5, thank you.

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30, 5, 40, 5.

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At £45, a good little piece at 45.

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50 now, then. At 50, then. Looks cheap at £50.

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Are you all done now, then? At 50.

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-The hammer's gone down. He sold it right on the reserve.

-Well done.

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Mind you, it's a lot more than £10, and the money is going to charity.

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-I think it's a good result.

-A good result! John, thank you so much.

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Well, keep your eye on this next lot, because they are a set of lunettes.

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We have the item. Unfortunately, Malcolm can't make it,

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but we've got our wonderful expert here, Mr James Lewis.

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-£100 to £150.

-Mm-hm.

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Malcolm got these quite a few years ago and he paid 40 quid for them, so...

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-there's a bit of profit there.

-Let's hope.

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OK, lot number 264 now, the pique work

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and tortoiseshell lunettes.

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As good a pair of these as you want to see,

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if you'll forgive the pun.

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I can start you here at a mere £60.

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At 60, about half the money, I would say. At £60, I'm bid 5, anyone now?

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At 65. 70...

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-Good!

-5. 80. At £80 with me, 5 now.

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Selling them, make no mistake at £80, 5 anywhere?

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At £80, are you all sure?

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Yes! Well, we've sold them.

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We had a reserve of 90, but he's used discretion.

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We just got them away.

0:41:050:41:06

Well done, Malcolm, you've got to get on the phone.

0:41:060:41:09

Next, those two little birds. We've got the silver salt and pepper pots

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belonging to Ali, I don't think for much longer, at £100 to £150.

0:41:200:41:25

Ali wants to sell these. You don't like them and you want to go shopping.

0:41:250:41:29

-I do!

-What, for clothes or...?

-Yes!

-Anything!

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Scarves, earrings, handbags, shoes, everything, belts, make-up!

0:41:310:41:35

-I think Kate should come with you, then!

-Oh, yes! I won't take much...persuading.

0:41:350:41:40

-I think there's some good shops in Cirencester as well.

-There are, not bad.

-Not bad at all.

0:41:400:41:46

Right, we need top dollar, don't we? I had a chat to Philip before the sale.

0:41:460:41:50

We both mused over these, and I know you loved them on the day, and we see a lot of them.

0:41:500:41:55

Sometimes one is missing, but you've got the complete set.

0:41:550:41:58

Great fun, great condition and silver is selling well, so we should do the top end.

0:41:580:42:04

-Plus a little bit more, hopefully £50 or £60 more. That's what I think. Happy?

-Yeah.

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And lot number 254

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is the Edwardian silver pepperettes in the form of birds.

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There we go, pretty little lot. Start me.

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Should be a couple of hundred, really. Start me at 100.

0:42:180:42:20

-Come on!

-I can start you on the book at 85...

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-They're all sitting on their hands!

-85, 90, 5, 100.

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At 100, 110 if you like. 110.

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120, 130, 140, 150, 160...

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-This is more like it!

-Oh, my God!

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190, 200, 210, 220, 230, 240...

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-Good!

-..250, 260, 270, 280, 290.

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At 290. 300, sir?

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300.

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At 310.

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-At 310 on my left now...

-Fantastic!

0:42:500:42:53

At £310. 320 if you like, sir. At 310...

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-Those little birdies flew! £310, Ali!

-Fantastic, great!

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Shopping! Shopping! Ching! Ching!

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I think it's because you have got the two. Philip's right,

0:43:050:43:08

-you don't often see the pair together. It makes a big difference.

-Excellent.

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Go on, Ali, we won't keep you any longer...

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-Go off shopping. There you go, go on!

-Thank you.

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And look at the antique shops while you're in Cheltenham.

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What can I say? Shopping, shopping, shopping!

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If you've got any antiques you want to sell, well, bring them to us, we want to see them.

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Check details in the press, because we're coming to an area near you very soon. From Kate and myself

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here in Cirencester, we've run out of time, see you next time. Bye-bye.

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