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Welcome to Flog It, the show that values antiques and collectables

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then puts them under the hammer at auction.

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We're in the far northwest corner of Wales, the city of Bangor.

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'The BBC has a long association with Bangor.

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'As bombs dropped on London during the War,

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'BBC Light Entertainment moved here.

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'Popular radio programmes from the '40s such as It's That Man Again

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'were broadcast live from the County Theatre, now Penrhyn Hall.'

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Ladies and gentlemen, ITMA!

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'ITMA, as it was known, was listened to by up to half the population -

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'about 20 million people - the most popular comedy show on radio.

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'It provided essential relief from the horrors of the Second World War.'

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We're keeping up the tradition of providing entertainment from Bangor.

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Flog It has come to town.

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'We have a show full of surprises.

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'Pamela and Glyn bring in an item which is not what it seems.'

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I thought it was a candlestick until we looked at it.

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There's a hole in the top and a hole on the side.

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'Mark sounds confident about Derek's sextant.'

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It's a specialist collecting area.

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Anything to do with marine items are quite keenly sought after...

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'I'm excited about Alwyn's painting.'

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He's very well sought after. You're looking at about £4,000 to £6,000.

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'But is it a fake?'

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David Cox's works are highly forged.

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'Find out later what happens at auction.

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'Leading our team of valuers are Mark Stacey and Adam Partridge.

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'Mark grew up in Wales and should feel at home in Bangor.'

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-You really are a charmer.

-I try to be!

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'After a lifetime in the business,

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'Adam is regarded as a safe pair of hands - well, usually.

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'Right, on to our first item, and a colourful number

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'brought in by Pamela and Glyn has Mark's attention.'

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-What a wonderful decorative object.

-Thank you.

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-Why have you brought it in?

-We thought we might sell it.

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Is it something you bought or inherited?

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-We bought it at an auction.

-Where did you buy it?

-Anglesey.

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-That was about five years ago.

-Gosh. And what did you pay for it?

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I'm afraid we can't remember.

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£20 or something?

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We have a book where we've written things down but can't find it.

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It's in your secret place. I hide something in a secret place and can't remember where.

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It's quite an interesting object.

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It was made by Minton's Art Pottery towards the end of the 19th century,

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when Minton's opened up studios by the artists

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to produce avant-garde designs.

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This is very much modelled on the German movement called secessionism.

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You get these angular shapes and stylised designs.

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Here we've got poppies with the seeds in there.

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You've got these wonderful colours, drip glazes.

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What's unusual is we see a lot of vases and jardinieres,

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but I don't come across candlesticks often.

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What is puzzling me with this

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is I thought it was a candlestick until we've looked at it.

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We realise there's a hole in the top and a hole on the side.

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It's made in the manufacture cos the glaze is dripped into it.

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The only reason I can think that's there

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is for conversion into electricity,

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to make it a little bedside lamp.

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It makes it more unusual and I love that decorative shape of it.

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When we turn it over, we can see the lovely Minton No 1.

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I'm intrigued.

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You bought it at auction. Were you going to collect things like this or was it an impulse buy?

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We were looking at things to collect and maybe sell on.

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It's difficult. You buy things that you like and then you don't stop.

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-And sometimes you've overpaid for things that you like.

-Quite.

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-What do you think it's worth today?

-I've absolutely no idea. Have you?

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About 70 to 80, maybe?

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I would be tempted to put a bit higher on it.

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I would put an estimate of 100 to 150 on it.

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It's such a nice unusual shape.

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I think a collector would really like this

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as an example for their collection.

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So I think we put 100 to 150 on it, with 100 discretionary reserve.

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Then let's see what it makes on the day.

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-Are you happy with that?

-Yes. Very good.

-Fine, thank you.

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'Pamela and Glyn did well to buy a quality item by a known maker.

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'It can be hard for the untrained eye to tell a genuine antique from a reproduction.'

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There's something I spotted earlier, a rush light. Come over here.

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Hi. What's your name? Margaret, pleased to meet you.

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I said I'd bring the cameras.

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These were popular in the 17th and 18th century, nibbed rush lights.

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This ball acts as a counterbalance

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to help those pincers shut tight and grip something.

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It's called a rush light because it holds a reed or a rush.

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So this would be dipped in goose fat or duck fat and left to dry,

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and then pinched in there.

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Then you'd set light to that reed and it would be your candlelight.

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Very popular during the 17th and 18th centuries but, unfortunately,

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this one is a reproduction.

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The real McCoy, anything from £400 to £1,200.

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-My goodness!

-OK?

-OK, thank you.

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'It's still an interesting curio,

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'but there's no doubting the provenance of a box brought in by Ann and Steve.'

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-Hiya, Steve. I'm Adam.

-We see you on telly.

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-Do you? You watch it?

-Yeah.

-And whose is the box?

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It belonged to me mum.

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We've not done anything with it. It's just been in the loft.

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-Where did your mum get it?

-It's connected with Formby Hall.

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-The big house on Merseyside?

-Yeah.

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-Your mum lived at Formby Hall?

-She worked there with my gramp and my grandmother.

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Butler, cook and maid.

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It's a sign of an age gone by.

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It is. Upstairs And Downstairs.

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-Obviously, you want to get rid of it. Do you like it, Ann?

-Not really.

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-I would never use it.

-That's the thing.

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It's something a collector would buy because people like boxes.

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It's Victorian, made from walnut. It's a travelling vanity case.

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It's fitted with these little bottles with silver plated tops.

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With an initial on. Intertwined FJ.

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-FJ. That's, er...

-Formby?

-John Formby.

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-He must have given this away.

-As far as I know, to me granny.

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Sometimes you see them in silver mounts. They're quite valuable.

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A nice feature is that spring-loaded side drawer.

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Pop! Nice quality.

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And the secret drawer comes out there.

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-Doesn't look like it's been used.

-Doesn't look heavily used.

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I'll shut the lid, have a look at the top.

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FJ with the mother-of-pearl on top,

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a mother-of-pearl escutcheon and the key, which is quite unusual.

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-I don't think it works.

-Don't you?

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It's a bit stiff but it works.

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You're a bit down on this, Ann. You don't like it, do you?

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-What do you think someone would give for it?

-You're the auctioneer.

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-Well...

-50?

-Yeah, good.

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She didn't need me. 50 is a good prediction.

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50 to 80, I'd put estimate. And at what price would you like it back?

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-Do you want to let it go whatever it makes or...?

-Not below 50.

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No.

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If it made £100 would you tell him to spend it on something specific?

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Um, I think the house needs doing up badly.

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-Our bedroom needs papering.

-Does it? Are you listening?

-I'm listening.

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-Anything else need doing?

-A lot.

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Let's hope it does a few quid!

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Boxes are always popular.

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I think we're pretty safe with 50 to 80.

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-Thanks for coming.

-Thanks very much.

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'No love lost there! Ann can't wait to see the back of her box.

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'Carol and Rodney have more respect for their painting.'

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What a fantastic horsey picture. Any history to it?

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Not especially. I bought it about 45 years ago.

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-In Bond Street.

-What did you like about it?

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-Are you particularly into horses?

-No.

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Some horses don't look right in pictures.

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This one seems to look natural.

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This is very much a correct study of a horse.

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Wonderful muscular tones. The light and shade are very good.

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-Almost like a photograph of its day.

-A nice background, too.

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I love that summer's day with the blue sky.

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He looks very stately there, very regal.

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It's by quite a well known artist,

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BC Norton - Benjamin Cam Norton - and dated 1866.

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He specialised in animal subjects, particularly equestrian subjects.

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This is a prime example of his work.

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You've had it for 45 years. Why have you decided to sell it?

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-Well...

-Old age, probably.

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Were you going to say something?

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It's on the bedroom wall for so many years.

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-First thing we see when we get up.

-You'll have to redecorate.

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Find something to go in its place. No, we take it down, sometimes.

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-It's time for it to go.

-Have you thought about value?

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-It's a nice painting, a Victorian painting.

-Yes.

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We thought that maybe it would fetch towards 1,000.

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-We would put a valuation of 700.

-I think you've hit it on the mark.

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I would be happy to put 700 to 1,000 on it with a 700 reserve.

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The market does fluctuate and artists go in and out of fashion.

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I think because of the quality, somebody's going to have a nibble.

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If we put that estimate on, who knows? We might even get to £1,000.

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This is a very pleasant subject. I could live with it.

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'We've collected three items to take to auction,

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'which is at Rogers Jones and Co in Colwyn Bay.

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'Auctioneer David Rogers Jones isn't so sure about the horse painting.'

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Lovely little oil. Belongs to Carol and Rodney.

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Mark put a valuation of £700 to £1,000 on this horse.

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-What do you think?

-It is good quality.

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It's super quality. I do have a theory about this type of painting.

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When you've got a horse painting that isn't painted

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by a famous horse portraitist,

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it's a bit like a personal painting of your Aunt Edna.

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-It's personal...

-It's your horse.

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That's right.

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Who else wants to buy a picture of your horse?

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That's what's holding me back.

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It's not a thing I'd put on my wall. It's not loose enough.

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Yes. It's going back to the personal portrait thing.

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If you liken it to a portrait of Aunt Edna,

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-it's a bit "sat" and...

-Lifeless.

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Lifeless, yeah. A bit posed.

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My gut feeling is it might struggle.

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-I see where the valuation's coming from, Paul.

-The quality.

-Absolutely.

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I'm just a bit worried about the narrow market.

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'We'll be keeping our fingers crossed anyway.

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'Anything can happen in the auction.

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'Also under the hammer, Pamela and Glyn's Minton candlestick holder

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'and Ann and Steve's unloved travelling box.

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'First up, it's the box.

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'I hope the bidders don't feel the same way about it as Ann and Steve.'

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-Why are you selling the travelling box?

-Well, it's been...

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-Been in the loft for years.

-Flog It was in town. Bring it along?

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-Yeah.

-Declutter, basically.

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-We've got loads!

-You've got loads up there, have you?

-Yeah.

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-Everyone has.

-The tip of the iceberg.

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Let's find out what the bidders think.

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AUCTIONEER: The lady's walnut travelling box.

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Seven containers, white metal tops, et cetera.

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Bid me. What do you say? 120?

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100?

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80? 60, I'm bid. At 60. 60 bid.

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70. 80.

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80 bid. 90. 100.

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Against you, sir. 10.

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And 20. 120. 130.

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130 in the room. At £130. Is there 40?

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Everybody done at £130?

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Anybody coming in? 130 in the saleroom. Final call.

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-£130 for the vanity case. A good result.

-Yeah.

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Well done.

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'Somebody in the saleroom liked it more than Ann and Steve.

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'Next, Carol and Rodney's painting. Are the bidders in the room?'

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Great to see you again.

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We're putting Mark's valuation of £700 to £1,000 to the test.

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It's a nice image. You got this in Bond Street 45 years ago.

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Expensive place to buy. Hopefully, we'll get your money back.

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Whether or not it suits the Welsh market, we'll find out.

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I hope so. It is rather charming.

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They have got some nice paintings from a private estate, so who knows?

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Art is selling really well today. It's flying out the door.

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Fingers crossed, the dealers are here. Here we go now.

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AUCTIONEER: Lot 102.

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The very nice oil on board BC Norton thoroughbred horse by a gate.

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Lovely painting. Superb quality.

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Bid me £1,000.

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Start me at 800.

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As you say. 400 I'm bid. At £400.

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450 on the book. 500. 550? 550?

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550 bid. At 550.

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600 anywhere? At 550. 550.

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Everybody done? 600.

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Against us both at 600.

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650. 650. Is there level money?

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£650.

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Coming in? At 650.

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I'll take 700 quickly. At 650.

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Everybody done? Final call at £650.

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What are you going to do? We leave that there, I'm sorry, at 650.

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-That didn't sell.

-That's all right.

-One bid away.

-We were.

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-One of those things.

-Sorry about that.

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-Go back on the bedroom wall.

-Another auction on another day.

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Maybe a sporting sale where there's more horsey type...

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-An equestrian sale.

-Exactly.

-Newmarket.

-In the shires.

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They might not be "shire" of bidding!

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'Carol and Rodney's horse didn't bolt.

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'At least that firm reserve protected it from going for less.

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'Next, Pamela and Glyn's Minton candlestick holder.'

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I've been joined by Pamela and Glyn in the nick of time.

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Your lot is just about to go under the hammer.

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I like this a lot. It's got style.

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We like things from all periods and this is a distinctive pattern.

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-I've never seen a candlestick like this.

-Nor have I.

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-It should make £80 all day long.

-But on a good day 120? 130?

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Absolutely. The decorative arts are still quite strong.

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Fingers crossed, that's what we're going to get.

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It's going under the hammer right now.

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AUCTIONEER: Very nice Minton secessionist candle holder bowl.

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Bid me. £100?

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Very nice piece. Classic Minton. Just what you want. 70 to start.

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£70 I'm bid. 70 on the book. 80 anywhere?

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At 70. £70. 70. Is there 80?

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At 70. 80. 80 online. 90 bid...

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-90 bid. Come on. A bit more.

-..Everybody done? 100.

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£100. Lot 132 at £100.

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Anybody in the room? You're all out. The bid is live. £100. Ten anybody?

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Final call. Ten. 110. Another live one...

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-There's a battle on the internet.

-That's good.

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..120? 120 bid.

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120. 30 now? At 120.

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All done? Anyone else coming in? 120. Final final call. All done now?

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We'll take that! 120 is better than 80! I hope you paid less than 120.

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-Yes. Something like 60.

-Oh, well done.

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Even after commission, a jolly healthy profit.

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Don't forget there's commission.

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-Are you going to collect anything else?

-We do collect quite a lot.

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A lot of junk, really.

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'Pamela may have a lot of junk but Minton is such a good name

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'it should always do well.

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'Just over a mile from the valuation day is the Menai suspension bridge,

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'built by Thomas Telford in the 19th century.

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'It was, at the time, the longest suspension bridge in the world.

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'Telford is considered to be "the man who built Britain".

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He revolutionised Britain's transport network, building roads,

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'canals and, most famously, bridges.

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'The bridge across the Menai Strait was his greatest achievement.'

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The Menai Strait is a stretch which Lord Nelson described as one of the most treacherous in the world.

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He said, "If you can sail these waters you can sail anywhere."

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If you wanted to sail to Dublin, you had to cross the Menai Strait.

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The Menai Strait is the treacherous stretch of water

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that separates Anglesey from Wales.

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For thousands of years, crossing it was a matter of life and death.

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This narrow stretch of tidal water is 15 miles long.

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The problem is powerful currents race in from both ends at different times,

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creating strong whirlpools and exceptionally powerful tides.

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The location of the bridge is also one of the most dangerous areas.

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Even as late as 1953, it was claiming some pretty big prizes.

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HMS Conway ran aground as it tried to pass.

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It remained for over six years.

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About 30 foot in that direction...

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We dare not get closer cos there's a big rock down there.

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That's known as the platters, where HMS Conway ran aground.

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And the tugs, well they just couldn't pull her off.

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Building a bridge across such dangerous waters seemed impossible.

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In 1815, one man thought he could do it - Thomas Telford.

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It was the biggest engineering project of the age.

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Although Telford oversaw every detail of construction,

0:21:580:22:02

not even he knew if it would stay up once it was built.

0:22:020:22:06

Construction on the bridge began in 1819

0:22:080:22:12

and it took seven years to complete.

0:22:120:22:15

When it opened in 1826, Thomas Telford was nearly 70 years old.

0:22:150:22:20

But this bridge, together with the improvements to the road to London,

0:22:200:22:25

meant that the journey time from Holyhead was cut down from 41 hours

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to just 27 hours.

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It also eliminated, well, the risk of drowning.

0:22:320:22:36

'Almost 200 years later, the bridge is still standing.

0:22:360:22:40

'As a testament to its incredible strength,

0:22:400:22:43

'it's perfectly capable of handling even today's heavy traffic.

0:22:430:22:49

'Civil engineer Bob Damond is a trustee of the Menai Bridge Community Heritage Trust.

0:22:490:22:54

'I've come to find out more about Thomas Telford's achievement.'

0:22:540:22:59

You can see how strong the currents are.

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It varies across the width because of the shape and the depth.

0:23:010:23:07

Had there been attempts to build a bridge?

0:23:070:23:10

People referred to problems the Romans had crossing the strait.

0:23:100:23:14

Edward I built a pontoon bridge by lashing boats together.

0:23:140:23:18

-Back in the 13th century?

-Yes. And the Welsh set fire to the boats at this end so that didn't work.

0:23:180:23:24

Various engineers had done designs

0:23:240:23:27

but there hadn't been an attempt to build one

0:23:270:23:30

-until Telford started the suspension bridge.

-It is absolutely superb.

0:23:300:23:36

A lot of people said you couldn't span that width

0:23:360:23:40

without supporting it in the middle.

0:23:400:23:42

The big problem was that not only

0:23:420:23:45

was it by far the biggest span of a suspension bridge at that time,

0:23:450:23:49

the Admiralty insisted on a 100-foot clearance above high water.

0:23:490:23:54

Sailing ships had tall masts.

0:23:540:23:56

So they had to find a way of getting the chains across a gap of 579 feet

0:23:560:24:02

and 100 feet above the water.

0:24:020:24:05

They did that with ropes and pulleys and 150 men winding two capstans to lift something like 24 tons.

0:24:050:24:13

The first chain they did in an hour and 37 minutes.

0:24:130:24:18

Which is about a 24-tons lift.

0:24:180:24:20

They had to do that 16 times for the 16 chains in the original bridge.

0:24:200:24:26

Gosh!

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When the first chain was in, two men walked across to the other side.

0:24:280:24:32

When Telford heard, he was annoyed because of the safety aspect.

0:24:320:24:38

There must have been a wonderful celebration when this opened.

0:24:380:24:42

It was in the middle of the night when the first coach went through.

0:24:420:24:48

It was a bad night, a bit like this, and not many people hung around.

0:24:480:24:53

But the next day thousands of people crossed.

0:24:530:24:56

They had to pay a penny to walk across. More to take a horse.

0:24:560:25:00

-Some of them crossed and re-crossed.

-It was so enjoyable! An experience!

0:25:000:25:05

It really is, when you look at this, the work of a genius, isn't it?

0:25:090:25:14

A ground-breaking bridge, and it set the mark

0:25:140:25:18

of suspension bridges being the best way to cross large spans.

0:25:180:25:23

'Telford made much of the Industrial Revolution possible.

0:25:230:25:28

'The world around us couldn't have been built

0:25:280:25:31

'were it not for the singular vision of just one man.

0:25:310:25:35

'The Menai bridge still stands as Telford's crowning achievement.

0:25:350:25:40

'At the University of Wales, Bangor,

0:25:460:25:48

'there are still crowds queuing up to have their antiques valued.'

0:25:480:25:53

Looks like a watercolour.

0:25:530:25:55

'Patricia's thimble collection has intrigued Adam.'

0:25:550:25:59

I remember a lady came in many years ago and brought in a gold thimble.

0:25:590:26:04

I said, "Why are you selling it?" And she said, "I'm downsizing."

0:26:040:26:09

-Don't tell me you're downsizing.

-No.

-You'd have to be moving to Lilliput!

0:26:090:26:14

So, firstly, where did you get them from?

0:26:140:26:17

-From my aunt, who was a seamstress.

-That explains the quantity

0:26:170:26:23

Do you know much about your aunt?

0:26:230:26:25

Yes. We all lived together, my family, for years and years.

0:26:250:26:31

-Did you pick up any skills in that department?

-Unfortunately not.

0:26:310:26:35

-You've never had occasion to use these?

-No.

0:26:350:26:38

I've divided them a little bit.

0:26:380:26:41

People are probably wondering what this is.

0:26:410:26:44

This one here is an advertising thimble for Dr Lovelace's soap.

0:26:440:26:49

-"Use Dr Lovelace's soap." Have you heard of Dr Lovelace's soap?

-No.

0:26:490:26:54

Here we have a Victorian bar of soap, the real soap.

0:26:540:26:59

-And it still smells.

-Still smells like coal tar.

0:26:590:27:03

We won't be including that in the auction. You can take that home.

0:27:030:27:08

An advertising one.

0:27:080:27:09

Four of these ones we'd call white metal. They're not stamped silver.

0:27:090:27:14

The silver ones here. Not the best material. It's too soft.

0:27:140:27:20

A man called Charles Horner invented a method

0:27:200:27:24

where he made a steel thimble and coated it in silver.

0:27:240:27:27

You could still have the posh silver thimble!

0:27:270:27:31

One of these is by Charles Horner.

0:27:310:27:34

He was a famous hat pin maker.

0:27:340:27:37

His thimbles are slightly more collected. I think it's that one.

0:27:370:27:43

A Chester hallmark as well. That's probably your most collectable.

0:27:430:27:48

Apart from this little one which is delightful in its own little case,

0:27:480:27:53

velvet covered embroidered case, and what a pretty thimble!

0:27:530:27:57

It's Continental silver. All that enamelling round the side.

0:27:570:28:02

Sadly, enamelling's very vulnerable and you've got a little chip.

0:28:020:28:07

I would think, value wise, these are about £10 each.

0:28:070:28:13

-Really?

-So that's 40 there.

0:28:130:28:16

Then maybe another 20 for all of those.

0:28:160:28:20

-£60 to £100.

-Sounds good.

0:28:200:28:23

-Put a reserve at 60?

-Yes.

-Fix it at 60, I think.

0:28:230:28:26

-Hopefully, we'll have a good result.

-Definitely flog it!

-Excellent.

0:28:260:28:32

'Patricia's thimbles should sell well.

0:28:320:28:35

'A painting I spotted brought in by Alwyn may not sell at all.'

0:28:350:28:40

It's a pleasure to meet you. Alwyn Jones, you've got to be Welsh.

0:28:400:28:45

-Yes.

-What part of Wales are you from?

-From Anglesey.

0:28:450:28:49

From the village with a very long name of llanfairpwllgwyngyllgoge ychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.

0:28:490:28:55

I have been there. I think you live in the most wonderful part of the world.

0:28:550:29:00

-So, how did you come by this?

-It was given to me ten years ago.

0:29:000:29:06

By a friend who had lost her mother.

0:29:060:29:10

Unfortunately, my wife is not very keen on it.

0:29:100:29:14

So we decided to maybe sell it and buy another painting we both like.

0:29:140:29:20

-Have you researched David Cox?

-My wife looked it up on the internet.

0:29:200:29:25

She found that he's done many paintings of Highland scenes

0:29:250:29:29

and some in north Wales.

0:29:290:29:32

David Cox is a renowned English landscape artist.

0:29:320:29:36

He was born in Birmingham in 1783, I think, off the top of my head, and died in 1859.

0:29:360:29:42

This is a Scottish Highland scene.

0:29:420:29:45

I've done some comparables, looked him up on our art index guides,

0:29:450:29:49

what works have sold for in this medium on paper this size.

0:29:490:29:53

He's very well sought after.

0:29:530:29:55

You're looking in the region of £4,000 to £6,000.

0:29:550:30:00

Looking at this image, I don't think,

0:30:000:30:03

speaking from my heart, I don't think...it's that good

0:30:030:30:10

if it's by David Cox.

0:30:100:30:12

-I see. Yeah.

-I have seen some of his works.

0:30:120:30:16

For me, the photographic representation is a lot better

0:30:160:30:20

-than what's going on here.

-I see.

0:30:200:30:23

This is a tad too loose for him.

0:30:230:30:28

My gut feeling tells me it's a copy.

0:30:280:30:32

-OK.

-What you probably don't know is David Cox works are highly forged.

0:30:320:30:38

It's really difficult to tell if this is a copy.

0:30:380:30:42

We can put this into auction with a guide of £3,000 to £4,000,

0:30:420:30:46

if it is David Cox, because there is some foxing.

0:30:460:30:49

-There is some damage. If it's a copy...

-Yeah.

0:30:490:30:54

-Much less.

-£200 to £300.

0:30:540:30:57

Yeah.

0:30:570:30:59

OK.

0:30:590:31:01

Um... Well...

0:31:010:31:03

-If it's £200 to £300, I'd keep it.

-Course you would.

0:31:030:31:08

The best thing to do here is get a second opinion from the auctioneer.

0:31:080:31:13

They can do a lot of research, have some picture specialists come in.

0:31:130:31:18

We'll let the auctioneer decide this.

0:31:180:31:21

My gut feeling is it's not right but I want it to be right for you, you want £3,000 to £4,000.

0:31:210:31:28

-If possible.

-We'll put it into auction with what you think it is.

0:31:280:31:33

We'll let the auctioneer say it might be a copy.

0:31:330:31:37

In which case, you can withdraw it.

0:31:370:31:39

-We'll let him do the hard work.

-OK.

-I'm sorry if I've let you down.

-No!

0:31:390:31:45

'The auction will be the place we'll find out the true value.

0:31:450:31:50

'More of that later.

0:31:500:31:52

'Next, Derek's brought in an early example of satellite navigation.'

0:31:550:32:00

We've got a wonderful precision engineered piece of equipment here.

0:32:000:32:04

-Give us a bit of the background.

-The instrument, which is a sextant,

0:32:040:32:09

was given to me 50 years ago by an old sea captain from Anglesey.

0:32:090:32:15

-Oh.

-He used it all his working life, but now GPS superceded sextants!

0:32:150:32:20

Press a button, it tells you where you are so it's of no practical use.

0:32:200:32:25

It's just in the back of the cupboard.

0:32:250:32:28

Those GPS systems are nothing as beautiful as this.

0:32:280:32:32

-Talk us through how it works.

-To find out where you are, latitude,

0:32:320:32:37

you look through any of these telescopes, depending on conditions,

0:32:370:32:42

which fits in there.

0:32:420:32:44

You sight on the sun and you sight on the horizon.

0:32:440:32:48

You adjust this lever here,

0:32:480:32:51

so the sun is in the mirror,

0:32:510:32:53

and it brings the sun down so it's just touching the horizon.

0:32:530:32:57

If you do it at midday, by a series of calculations, you can work out

0:32:570:33:02

-how far you are between the North and South Pole.

-Good lord!

0:33:020:33:07

-How old do you think it is?

-I would say 1850, 1860.

0:33:070:33:11

I think it might even be a bit earlier,

0:33:110:33:14

with that turned mahogany handle, which has that lovely texture.

0:33:140:33:18

Hundreds of people with greasy hands being on it

0:33:180:33:22

has given it a lovely mellow colour.

0:33:220:33:25

We've got a maker's name, James Morton, Sunderland & South Shields.

0:33:250:33:30

Nice to have a maker's name. I can't find any record of James Morton.

0:33:300:33:36

Anything from London tends to be more valuable.

0:33:360:33:39

Or the bigger cities. So you've had it at home.

0:33:390:33:42

-You haven't used it?

-I haven't used it at all.

0:33:420:33:47

Why have you decided to sell it?

0:33:470:33:49

It would be nice if it could go to somebody who appreciated it.

0:33:490:33:54

It's a very specialist collecting area.

0:33:540:33:57

Anything to do with marine items are quite keenly sought after.

0:33:570:34:02

This is actually a very nice piece.

0:34:020:34:05

-This is in very good condition.

-Yes.

0:34:050:34:08

It's perfect auction room condition. You haven't over-cleaned it.

0:34:080:34:13

It's got a lot of nice feelings about it.

0:34:130:34:17

We've got to think about an estimate.

0:34:170:34:19

-Yes.

-Now, my feeling is around 200 to 300.

0:34:190:34:23

-What's your feeling?

-I wouldn't like to see it go for less than 300.

0:34:230:34:28

It's not impossible.

0:34:280:34:30

I think if it's catalogued properly, two or three people

0:34:300:34:34

need to raise their hands a couple of times and we'll get up there.

0:34:340:34:39

-So I'm willing to give it a try. An estimate of 300 to 400, a reserve at 300.

-That would be fair.

0:34:390:34:46

-A fixed reserve at 300.

-On your head be it.

0:34:460:34:49

If I don't get 300 I get the sextant back.

0:34:490:34:52

'Those are our last items to take off to auction.

0:34:520:34:55

'Auctioneer David Rogers Jones has looked at Alwyn's painting,

0:34:550:35:00

'which may or may not be genuine, and he's got some interesting news.'

0:35:000:35:05

If it was an early piece of oak, I'd be really confident!

0:35:050:35:09

I just don't know.

0:35:090:35:11

I think, Paul, that it's got many of David Cox senior's attributes.

0:35:110:35:16

-OK.

-The figures and the animals smack Cox for me.

0:35:160:35:21

What about the sky?

0:35:210:35:23

Well, yeah. One always looks for "Cox clouds".

0:35:230:35:27

-But it isn't in the best condition.

-No. It's got foxing.

0:35:270:35:31

A lot of foxing and, I think, if you eliminated the foxing,

0:35:310:35:35

I think, probably, the clouds would come out.

0:35:350:35:39

-What was your gut feeling?

-That it was OK.

-Good.

0:35:390:35:43

I like the figures. I like the animals.

0:35:430:35:46

It has the Cox windswept feel that his paintings have.

0:35:460:35:50

My gut feeling was it may be a fake.

0:35:500:35:53

It's disappointing to tell the owner and now it's the real McCoy,

0:35:530:35:57

will this do £3,000 to £4,000?

0:35:570:35:59

The people we've sent images to are good in the field of Cox.

0:35:590:36:05

-Yeah.

-And they seem to be fairly happy.

0:36:050:36:09

-They're interested?

-I think they're interested so I'm fairly hopeful.

0:36:090:36:14

'That is good news, but we won't know for sure until it goes under the hammer.

0:36:140:36:21

'Here's a quick recap of the other items going under the hammer.

0:36:210:36:26

'Patricia's collection of thimbles and Derek's quality sextant.'

0:36:260:36:31

They say small is beautiful.

0:36:310:36:33

Let's see if small is worth a lot of money!

0:36:330:36:36

We're joined by Patricia and we've got 11 thimbles going under the hammer with a value of £60 to £100.

0:36:360:36:43

I'd love to get that top end.

0:36:430:36:46

I know you like your small things. Why are you selling the thimbles?

0:36:460:36:51

They belonged to my aunt and they've been in a tiny drawer in a tiny cupboard. Nobody sees them.

0:36:510:36:57

-I put you down as having a vitrine with all your little silver things.

-I do have lots of things on show.

0:36:570:37:05

-But you've decided you want to sell the thimbles.

-Yes.

0:37:050:37:10

Adam, you put £60 to £100 on them. A great valuation.

0:37:100:37:14

-I'd like to see the top end.

-£5 or £10 each isn't much.

-Nothing! No.

0:37:140:37:19

I just hope... There's a lot of ladies here.

0:37:190:37:23

I find there's a lot of interest in sewing collectables.

0:37:230:37:29

Needle cases, thimbles, small silvers.

0:37:290:37:32

Investing in your social history, a nice talking point to have on display rather than in the drawer!

0:37:320:37:39

-Good luck.

-Hidden away.

-It's going under the hammer.

0:37:390:37:43

AUCTIONEER: Lovely little lot here, lot 364.

0:37:430:37:47

No fewer than 11 silver and other sewing thimbles.

0:37:470:37:53

There's one in a leather case and one in a fabric case.

0:37:530:37:57

Lovely little parcel. £80?

0:37:570:37:59

Silver thimbles. Come on. I usually sell these at 15 each...

0:37:590:38:03

It's all down to the bidders in the room.

0:38:030:38:07

I'm bid at 50. 50 bid, lot 364.

0:38:070:38:09

At 50. 50 bid. 60 anybody?

0:38:090:38:13

-At 50. 60...

-Got 60.

0:38:130:38:16

..70. £70. Out right at the back, sir?

0:38:160:38:19

Five if it helps you. At 70. 70 bid.

0:38:190:38:22

£70 only.

0:38:220:38:25

Five at the back, if you like.

0:38:250:38:28

Five I'll take. Everybody done? At £70.

0:38:280:38:31

Five if you wish. 75.

0:38:310:38:34

75. 80. 80 I'm bid...

0:38:340:38:36

Fresh legs! Someone's just come in.

0:38:360:38:39

..At £80 only. Everybody done? Final call at 80.

0:38:390:38:44

-That's a sold sound. Well done Adam.

-Mid estimate.

0:38:450:38:48

-Happy.

-Happy with that?

-Yes. Very happy.

0:38:480:38:52

'A great result for Patricia, and now it's Derek's turn.

0:38:520:38:56

'His sextant is in mint condition. I hope the right people are here.'

0:38:560:39:02

I've been joined by Derek and the next item is this wonderful sextant.

0:39:020:39:06

You'd expect to see it here in Colwyn Bay, right by the sea.

0:39:060:39:11

Maritime memorabilia does fetch good money. We're in the right place.

0:39:110:39:16

We're looking for £300 to £400, by our expert Mark.

0:39:160:39:20

-Why are you selling it?

-It's been superceded by GPS!

0:39:200:39:24

I suppose it has, in a way!

0:39:240:39:26

It might as well go to somebody who'll appreciate it.

0:39:260:39:30

-I love the engineering quality.

-So do I.

0:39:300:39:34

Let's find out what the bidders think.

0:39:340:39:37

AUCTIONEER: 447, the ship's sextant

0:39:370:39:40

by James Morton, Sunderland & South Shields.

0:39:400:39:44

Cased. Bid me. Start me at 350.

0:39:440:39:47

300?

0:39:480:39:50

The cased sextant by a Sunderland & South Shields maker. Bid me.

0:39:500:39:57

250?

0:39:570:40:00

I'm bid at 150. 150 bid.

0:40:000:40:03

At 150. 180? 180 bid.

0:40:030:40:06

-200? 200 bid...

-We're climbing. A little bit more.

0:40:060:40:11

..240. Is there 60? At 240.

0:40:110:40:13

240 bid. Everybody done?

0:40:130:40:15

260. 280?

0:40:150:40:18

280 bid. 280. 280. And again now.

0:40:180:40:23

At 280. 300. 300 bid.

0:40:230:40:26

-And again...

-Getting there.

0:40:260:40:28

..How many on there? At £300.

0:40:280:40:31

Online at £300. Everybody done?

0:40:310:40:34

All finished? At £300 and going.

0:40:340:40:39

-That was close.

-I thought we'd sink without trace.

0:40:400:40:44

-Well done.

-We came back.

-£300.

0:40:440:40:46

'What a relief. It looks like quality shone through.

0:40:460:40:51

'It's the moment of truth.

0:40:510:40:53

'Will Alwyn's painting sink or swim? It's up to the bidders to decide.'

0:40:530:40:58

I had a chat with the auctioneer before the sale. He said it's right.

0:40:580:41:03

-Good. I'm pleased.

-I'm pleased it's that way, not the other way.

0:41:030:41:08

I'm so pleased I didn't say, "Yes! His works sell for thousands!"

0:41:080:41:13

And get here on the day and find out it's a copy.

0:41:130:41:17

So that's good news. We've still got £3,000 to £4,000.

0:41:170:41:21

He agreed with the valuation, because of the foxing.

0:41:210:41:26

It's now down to this lot. Let's find out what happens.

0:41:260:41:30

AUCTIONEER: David Cox. Expansive landscape.

0:41:300:41:34

Five Scottish figures, two on horseback, tending a herd of cattle.

0:41:340:41:40

Well signed and I think it's got the features of David Cox.

0:41:400:41:43

The men, the animals, it's got the lot.

0:41:430:41:46

OK, there's a bit of restoration to be done.

0:41:460:41:50

That can be done easily.

0:41:500:41:52

You've got a really good painting and it's a good big'un! Bid me.

0:41:520:41:56

Two and a half thou to start?

0:41:560:42:00

2,500?

0:42:000:42:03

2,000?

0:42:030:42:06

1,800 I'm bid. At £1,800.

0:42:060:42:08

-At £1,800...

-We're in.

0:42:080:42:11

..at 1,800. £2,000.

0:42:110:42:16

2,200. 2,200.

0:42:160:42:18

2,400. 2,400...

0:42:180:42:20

We've got a phone bid. This is great.

0:42:200:42:24

..2,600.

0:42:240:42:27

2,800.

0:42:270:42:30

£2,800, David Cox. Are you coming in, Mike?

0:42:300:42:34

£2,800.

0:42:340:42:36

Bid's here on the telephone. At £2,800.

0:42:360:42:42

3,000, I'd like. I'll open the gate at 2,900, if you want to.

0:42:420:42:47

£2,800 final call.

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On the telephone. Everybody done?

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£2,800 all done?

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He's sold it. £2,800. That's fabulous!

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-It is.

-Congratulations.

-Really pleased. Thank you.

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'The auctioneer used discretion and sold for just under the reserve.

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'Alwyn is over the moon.'

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I told you there would be one or two surprises! Sadly, we've run out of time in Colwyn Bay.

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There'll be many more surprises to come on Flog It but, for now, cheerio.

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