
Browse content similar to Basil Blackshaw, An Edge of Society Man. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
| Line | From | To | |
|---|---|---|---|
The name Basil Blackshaw is a byword in the art world | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
in the island of Ireland for over six decades. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Yet he has remained an enigma, shunning all media attention, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
choosing even to wear a mask | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
when attending an exhibition in Cork in 2005. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
This is the story of the maker of some of Ireland's finest paintings, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
of what has informed his work and shaped his direction of travel. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
Basil is a complete artist. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
There's nothing really he can't depict. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Whether it's a painting of a cock or a horse or a woman | 0:00:40 | 0:00:46 | |
or a bunch of flowers or a landscape, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
you're looking at much more than the subject, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
you are looking beyond the subject into the artist's own soul. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:02 | |
He appears to be a very straightforward, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
down-to-earth, rural person, if you like. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
But there's a lot going on underneath that. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Basil is a unique individual. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
He is maverick, nonconformist... | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
..on the edge. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
All these are big, big pluses for an artist. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
When you look through Basil's catalogue, it's extraordinary, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
just the variety of what he paints, day to day, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
one day this, one day the other. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
He is a one-off, he is one of those strange prophets | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
in the wilderness that British and Irish art does tend to throw up. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
He is his own man, that's the thing about him. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
He has become a total original. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
There are no easy comparisons. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Now entering his 83rd year, this edge-of-society man | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
lives among the bulrushes in the County Antrim countryside | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
with his partner, Helen Falloon. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
I would say my father is a very private man, a very generous man. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
He's not so keen on authority. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
He would toe the line, but he doesn't like to. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
He likes to call a spade a spade, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
and anybody that doesn't call a spade a spade | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
I don't think he has much time for. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Could you imagine yourself not being an artist? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
At one time, I could. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
But not really. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
Not for years and years. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
If you hadn't been an artist, what do you think you might have been? | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
A butcher! | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
Born in 1932 in Glengormley to an English farmer, Samson Blackshaw, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
and mother Edith Clayton, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
Blackshaw was reared at Boardmills in South Down | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
with horses, hounds and the countryside coursing through his veins. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
Basil was a country boy | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
as opposed to having any association with the town. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
However, he had gone to Methodist College | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
and he was there at the same time as I was, but he was | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
a couple of years behind me | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
and he then moved up into the art school. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
Entering the Art College in Belfast at 16, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
the precocious Blackshaw immediately made an impression on his teachers. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
The leading influence would have been Romeo Toogood. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
Now, Romeo Toogood had a theoretical capacity | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
to stylise the things that he was painting. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
He recognised Basil's talent. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
I remember one day he said to a group of us, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
"Basil is the daddy of you all." | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
In other words, he was giving him his place | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
as the leading student. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Once you have got a very straight training, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
you can allow that straight training | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
to put boundaries on your work, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
the only breakthrough is | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
you've enough skills and experience... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
..to be bold, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
take risks. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
Basil had got an award from Cema, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
which was the Council for the Encouragement of Music and the Arts. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
I spoke a little French and Basil used to joke and say, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
"All the French I have is, 'Avez-vous du wee saucepan?'" | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
We had a great time together in Paris, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
we went to the Orangerie, the Louvre, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
the Musee d'Art Moderne... | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
I have no doubt that what he saw in Paris went into | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
the totality of his experience. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
One of the big early influences, you told me, was Cezanne. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
What was it about Cezanne that so fascinated you? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
I suppose everything that was good about Cezanne, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
the lovely sense of space, and the relationship of one thing to another. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
All I know is that it had some sort of effect on me, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
that made me want to paint, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
that made me want to make marks | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
and shapes and forms | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
and...get the elements up of art. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
He's psychologically a country man through and through, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
it's not a city man coming down the painting landscape, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
as a release from busy city life, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
he's absolutely in it organically and belongs there | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
and understands it. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:48 | |
It is almost his essence, in fact. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Simply because he is an artist of the countryside, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
what he has produced as that is so immensely, intensely glorious, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:04 | |
he is so plugged into that huge, throbbing heart | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
of the natural world. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
In 1959, Blackshaw married Anna Ritchie, an Australian artist. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
Three years later their daughter Anya was born | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
at their Ravarnet home outside Lisburn. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
He used to change my nappy on the sofa with ten dogs beside me. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:31 | |
So that is my first recollection of Ravarnet. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
It was just chaos, with people coming | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
and going every day of the week. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
There were dog men, vets, dogs, horses, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:52 | |
anything you could think of, there were lords, ladies, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
painters... Crazy. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
Both my mother and father, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
they had 55 greyhounds in training, of other people's, and their own. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
So it was between dogs and horses mainly. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
That was just their life, that was all there was, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
painting, dogs and horses! | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
I always knew our living situation | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
and our home situation was slightly different. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
He obviously was so impressed by the environment | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
of which he was a part, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
grooming horses and dogs, all that kind of thing, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
that it was inevitable that a lot of his early work should reflect that. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:49 | |
These works are beautifully observed, he knows animals so well, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
his natural sympathy with them, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
they say he has power over the horses and dogs and so on. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
But these are more than animals, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
they're imbued with traits which are not of the animal kingdom, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
which he puts into them. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
He's clever, he gets the viewer into his own body, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
you actually sense the landscape, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
you sense the tonal qualities of the palette, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
there's almost a sense of feeling the heartbeat of the animal | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
he's painting - so it's alive, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
it's not stagnant. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
If you follow any painter's career, you are known | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
for subjects, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
but you're a painter first - it doesn't really matter. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
You need something that would trigger your painterly response, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
but it's the response that matters. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Blackshaw's marriage ended in 1972, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
leading to a turbulent phase in his life. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
During this period he gravitated more and more towards bouts of drinking. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
Everybody crumbled when it came to the end of Ravarnet, really, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
I moved to my old aunt's and uncle's, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
and my father, he moved to his mother's house. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
My mother stayed for a couple of years | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
and then moved back over to Australia. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
It was at this time, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
on a trip to Donegal, Blackshaw befriended another creative spirit. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
We had a cottage in Donegal | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
where we used to spend all the summer | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
and somehow or other, Basil appeared. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
We sort of liked each other. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
And he needed, I think, somebody to talk to. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
He had just broken up with his wife | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
and he was sort of... a little bit crazy, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
a little bit depressed - quite a lot depressed. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
I liked him. I liked him very much. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
He was a very nice, decent man. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
He did a lot of drinking, mind you! | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
We all went swimming in the nude one night, which was very funny. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
And I expect we were all a bit pissed, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
but we weren't seriously pissed. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:19 | |
The stars were in the sea, that wonderful thing that happens, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
and when you lift up the water in your hands, it's like stars, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
spilling out of your hands, back into the water again. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
It was great. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
To Jennifer Johnston, Blackshaw's gentle personality was at odds | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
with his interest in cockfighting and passion for blood sports. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
The first story he told me about the cockfighting, I was outraged. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
But he just laughed at me, he didn't pay any attention at all. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
He would just go on telling you the stories | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
and then he would tell you another one the next time you saw him. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
He was sort of two people, in a way. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
One was the country man | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
and the other was this very sophisticated artist | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
who really knew what he was doing. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
And yet he couldn't quite believe that he knew what he was doing. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
In the early 1970s, Blackshaw would meet Helen Falloon. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
They went to live outside Antrim town where they have resided ever since. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
It was here that he set up his loft studio. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
How can you explain that you seem to know everything that's | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
going on in the art world around the world | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
although you're stuck out here in County Antrim? | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
How does that happen? | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
There are so many magazines and so on about. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
And books and so on. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
-And TV. -Yeah. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Just... Seeing what's happening. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
Would you say that your studio was where you felt most at peace? | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
Probably one of the places, yes. Yeah. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
Disaster struck in 1981 when Blackshaw's studio went on fire. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:23 | |
This would prove, however, a seminal moment for the artist. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
As the '70s drew to a close, he had been growing increasingly | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
restless with his realistic painting and about the direction of his art. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
I gather that studio fire destroyed works in the new style | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
and they were lost. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
And of course it was a huge blow to his development. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
But in a sense it gave him tabula rasa, cleared away the past. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
It seemed to push Basil into a more challenging area, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:03 | |
a much more exciting area of paint, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
where it didn't matter whether it was the dogs | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
or whether the tractors, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
or the heads, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
it was becoming... Really, the paint was taking over. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
The paint was dictating where Basil was going. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
The time the studio burnt down, at that time, I was painting | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
realistic landscape-type paintings that were getting nowhere. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:45 | |
You know, I could go and do the same thing all over again, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
any day, it was going to be the same painting, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
good painting, well painted, but it was nothing new. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
Nothing exciting. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
And when the studio burnt down, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
it let me step back and see things as going nowhere. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
Jude Stevens has been Blackshaw's model for more than 30 years. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
Week after week she has climbed these steps into what is | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
a house of happy memories for her. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
When I was sitting, this was the spot. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
I would either stand or sit here, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Basil's easel would be about here, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
and this was the famous stove with which we used to have problems, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
but it certainly heated up, the stove, and it produced a lot of... | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
a certain smell, an evocative smell of this place which was amazing. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
In this corner over here... | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
It's empty now, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:00 | |
but there used to be, at one stage, about six birdcages. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
The studio always had a haze of dust | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
and the whole place had this kind of rugged, well-used feel to it, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:20 | |
which I loved, even though it was and still is quite bleak | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
and barren in some ways. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:24 | |
If we take Jude, your model, when she leaves the studio, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
you scrub everything and then you start painting. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
That seems an extraordinary thing to be doing. What's going on? | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
Well, it's part of the process | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
of making... | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
significant marks. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
You want to get away from the making of the subject | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
that you knew was going to happen, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
that you knew where you were going to work, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
there's no point in it any more. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
But is it better, the fact that she has gone, then? | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
Yeah, you can make a painting then. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
I loved to watch Basil painting. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
He always used to mention Muhammad Ali, and those famous words, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
And I think that's what he was doing. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
He needed a lot of space to paint - leaping back from the canvas, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
assessing where the next blow should be, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
then jumping in with the paintbrush, jabbing at it, back again. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
It was a battle. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
I had never been painted by a real artist before | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
and I was absolutely mind-blown by it. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
You couldn't see anything except his feet from the knees down, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
and his toes were pointed in, like that. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
And he kept wiggling his feet the whole time, it was really weird. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
He used to fly around the room, it was nearly like dancing. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
And I loved it, I used to sit in the background and watch him paint | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
for hours, but it was the energy, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
he had so much energy when he painted. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
He wriggled himself, and the little times you did see bits of him | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
come out from behind the canvas, he was sort of wriggling, like a worm, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
like a big worm, a big, fat worm. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
Sitting for Basil Blackshaw was an electrifying experience. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
There was these rubbing and scraping noises. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
Basil, in between bits of conversation, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
was groaning and grunting | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
and saying how impossible it was | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
and that he'd never get it right. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
He has a rare ability to capture a likeness, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
but it's much more than a likeness. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
It's the soul of the person, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and it's all of his experience of that person, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
concentrated into one image. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
And when you look at a Basil portrait, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
you feel as though you have met that person | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
and that you're getting to know them. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
When it comes to painting portraits, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
people like Brian Friel, Jennifer Johnston etc, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
what goes on in your mind? | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Whatever feeling you get from them. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
I mean, Jennifer Johnston was all this blonde hair and dark glasses, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
which was the main point of that painting. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
So just something like that would hold together | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
as you made the painting. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
You did a very celebrated painting of Clint Eastwood, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
which was made from bits of cardboard, bits of newspapers. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
Why did you not simply paint a portrait of Clint Eastwood? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
It didn't have any spirit or any excitement or anything like that. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
Painting a portrait of Clint Eastwood was not going to be enough. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
I mean, I had to do something that was a bit more exciting! | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
Like Ireland's best-known artist, Jack B Yeats, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Blackshaw, in his advancing years, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
was still pushing the boundaries of his art, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
trying to find new ways of expressing himself, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
moving from the '80s into the '90s, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
with a very noticeable step change from 2000 onwards. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
I'm pretty sure he felt like, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
"We've got to push the bound... We've got to move on. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
"It's a journey we're on, we've got to move on." | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
He lost his inhibitions about facing a big picture. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
He found he could do it. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
In fact, Basil loves a big canvas now. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
He's the only one in the country who can construct on a big scale. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
The time suited - the new expressionism and all these | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
seemed to set him on fire. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:34 | |
He was never a follower of anybody. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
But he was certainly influenced by new currents, I should think. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
Any good artist is. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
More and more, Blackshaw was now adding words | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
and scribbles to his canvas, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
to the point of appearing naive. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
I found that initially off-putting. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
But, after a while, you get used to it | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
and you realise the lettering is part of the composition. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:04 | |
It was Duchamp, the Dada painter, who said, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
"Titles are extra colours." | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
And, in this mysterious way, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
Basil adds colour to his paintings with words. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:26 | |
Well, I think the marks of where you write, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
or the scribbles you write, are part and parcel of the painting. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Would you feel the painting was right without those marks, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
-without those scribbles? Without...? -No. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Many people looking at your paintings might consider them childish, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
in many ways. That's not an accident, is it? | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Well, it partly is an accident. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
Because I'm not conscious of... of, er... | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
being childish or wanting to be, or trying to be. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
It's just part and parcel of it. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
At the end of the '90s, it was obvious | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
that Blackshaw's work was growing more subjective in content. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
The so-called Window series would carry Blackshaw | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
right out onto the ledge of abstraction. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
When I saw those at the Ulster Museum, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
I genuinely felt they were the greatest paintings | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
that I've seen produced in Ireland in my lifetime. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
They're beautifully painted. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
There's nothing to detract | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
from just the purity of the paint on the canvas. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
They are not what you'd call welcoming or friendly pictures, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
but they exercise their own hypnosis, I find. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
And I think the result was enormously courageous, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
in the sense that he seemed to be turning his back on what | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
he'd achieved and leaping off in another direction. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
But then that's Basil Blackshaw - he's totally unpredictable. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
If you've been brought up | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
on the early, more figurative pictures, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
it must have seemed completely extraordinary | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
that he should fly off into something | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
that only he really understands, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
but I can't but stand by those... | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
I mean, those Windows pictures are... | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
the greatest things he's ever done, for me. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I'm more aware of the presence of Basil in those Windows. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:41 | |
And how he feels about just being alive. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
But I'm convinced that those are the best works that Basil... | 0:24:48 | 0:24:54 | |
ever did. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
For the first time, I was able to use space, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
the size of a canvas, for instance. The space... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
To the emptiness of things, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
to the emptiness of what's outside the window, which is a nothingness. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:15 | |
You don't see anything outside of my Windows. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
They're just...blank spaces. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
The Windows were a subject that was... | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
..nothing, in other words. It was... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
the emptiness of things. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Would you accept that a certain bleakness entered some of your works? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
Well, if you call bleakness, er... | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
a sense of space, empty spaces, or... | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
Those paintings I made of the empty rooms, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
those are probably the bleakest paintings, I think. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
A lot of the time, you work from visions. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
From where do those concepts, ideas spring in your work? | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
A vision can be a piece of paper lying on the floor out there. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
It can suggest a, um... | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
..a starting point. Anything can start a starting point. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
So that's really it. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
So are you telling me that if you rose from where you are now, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
and you walked out the door and you bumped into it, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
-that would trigger something which could end up on a canvas? -Oh, yes. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
It can happen at any time, anywhere, any day. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
You never know when it's going to happen. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
There's such a temptation in these days | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
to see everything in terms of movements, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
and that's where Basil defies everything. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
That's why he confounds us all. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
If you want to see him in terms of a movement, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
then you're on the wrong track. You're looking at the wrong man. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
There is a delinquent streak in Basil Blackshaw, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
which is hugely releasing and refreshing. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
And an essential part of him. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
He's a late blossomer. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
But he stepped totally out of an Irish context. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
You can't fit him into it. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
He is as good as any painter in Europe that I know. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
In the United Kingdom, I can't think he has any equal. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
There are plenty of good painters in England - | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
some of them I greatly respect - | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
but they're not remotely of European stature, I would say. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
Basil is. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
He has such an individual... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
look or take on the world | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
that we are privileged to have... | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
shared through his paintings, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
his way of looking at the world. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 |