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Peter Howson is one of the world's most collected living artists. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
His work hangs on the walls of galleries and museums | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
and in the homes of rock stars and actors. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
He's a man with a turbulent past and a present | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
haunted by financial problems and worries about his mental health. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
I understood what it was like to be in the mind of a madman. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
It's not a nice place to be. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:31 | |
In 2008, he received the biggest commission of his career, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
to paint the largest ever crowd scene in the history of British art. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
But the commission is fraught with so much difficulty | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
that its completion is in jeopardy from day one. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
It's a big painting. It feels even bigger now, you know. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
It feels like a monster now. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
This film follows Peter over two difficult years, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
a journey that took him to the brink of bankruptcy and also to the edge of his sanity. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:01 | |
You don't know what I'm like. You don't know how mad I am. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
The way I start painting is in this way, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
to get the whole thing covered, the whole canvas covered, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
with a stain, I suppose, of some kind of colour, you know. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
This is my favourite colour, because it's got a warmth | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
that comes through, this kind of reddy-brown oxide. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
And then I use a rag to really paint light and it's really, you know, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:49 | |
just to get the drawing right, I suppose, and get the kind of feeling right. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
Peter Howson is one of Britain's most prolific artists, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
a figurative painter, often working on a grand scale, with thousands of works of art to his name. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
Peter still stands outside the, kind of, what would one say, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
the polite conventions of contemporary art. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
He's a no-holds-barred artist. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
There's no... | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
there's no fudging. This is the way he sees it. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
It's always amusing to me, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
all the celebrities that are named as having bought Peter's works | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
and I can't verify all of them. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
I know in the early years, it was Sylvester Stallone. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
And I remember meeting Stallone at a Los Angeles art fair | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
and he walked by our booth and he stopped with his two henchmen | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
and looked at this wonderful, amazing boxer painting of Peter's and admired it. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
And I probably told Peter that and he probably mentioned it to a journalist and the journalist | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
probably mentioned that Sylvester Stallone collected Peter's works. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
And once it's in one newspaper, it stays in those newspapers for ever. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
I can tell you, from my personal experience, that David Bowie has bought the work and is a big fan. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:31 | |
Madonna is a very major fan and he's a very well collected artist. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:38 | |
When I saw this man, I thought, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
"Now, I want to buy a painting". And they're quite expensive for me. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:50 | |
But when I had job | 0:03:50 | 0:03:51 | |
and I had some money, I would invest it in a work of art | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
of Howson. So I became a collector. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Having Howson in my life has, in some way, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
given me a sense of what I am, what I care for, even who I am. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
We need artists like we need lightning rods on the roof of houses. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
They take the lightning of the world and hold it. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
And then we look at them and we feel enriched and we feel this power, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
without being struck by the lightning. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
It is the artist who is struck and burnt | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
and scarred by the lightning. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
Peter's uncompromising and emotional painting style comes directly from his own life experience. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
In the past, he has battled with alcohol and drug addiction and had financial problems. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
After years of mental illness, he has recently been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
a form of autism characterised by difficulties in dealing with other people. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
The reason why I draw is to remain sane, because... | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
and paint, because it keeps me on the right kind of track, I suppose, you know. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
Peter's work observes a darker side of life, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
celebrations of the common man, depicting a very human struggle. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
He takes, the kind of, our environment | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
in a way no other Brit has even come near to doing. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
I think Howson goes further, because he illuminates for us | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
the actual essence of what it is to be British. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:48 | |
It's almost biblical. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
I started painting and drawing when I was about four years old. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
I'd done a crucifixion when I was six, so I suppose, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
even then, even at that early age, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
the crucifixion meant something to me. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
Peter's paintings often had Christian overtones, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
but these became much more overt when he had a spiritual revelation | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
after nearly dying in re-hab for treatment of drink and drug addiction in the year 2000. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
I was in a terrible state. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
I was pretty near the point where I, you know, would have probably | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
conked out and they gave me all these anti-psychotic drugs. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
I was starting to see big, sort of, furry, pink rabbits | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
coming into the room and everything. And it was the DTs and all that. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
And then I just, one night, got down on my hands and knees and said a prayer to, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
basically, take away this skin off me, this whole thing, and just shed my skin. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:57 | |
And, basically, I had this vision, basically, of this incredible feeling came into the room. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:03 | |
Nothing like an angel appeared, but it was certainly a presence. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
All it said was that, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
"You're loved, you're cured. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
"You'll never drink again or you'll never take a drug again. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
"You won't not suffer again, but I'm with you, basically." | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
And for the next three months after that, from that night onwards, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
the vision came to me every night. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
In October 2008, the Catholic Church made the contentious decision | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
to pick Peter - a Protestant and a reformed addict - to paint a massive eight-metre-high canvas | 0:07:45 | 0:07:53 | |
depicting the martyrdom of St John Ogilvie, as part of the renovation of St Andrews Cathedral in Glasgow. | 0:07:53 | 0:08:00 | |
John Ogilvie was the only Catholic priest martyred in Scotland after the Reformation. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
In 1615, he was hung and then disembowelled in Glasgow, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:14 | |
after being found guilty of treason, for holding Catholic mass. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
When I came down to Glasgow, about seven years ago, as the Archbishop, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
and saw that the cathedral needed some renovation and improvement and so on - | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
it's nearly 200 years old and is in need of it - | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
I looked around and was surprised not to find something | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
in the cathedral to mark the life of St John Ogilvie. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
And he was martyred here in Glasgow, not very far from this cathedral. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
And then, of course, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
I began to be interested in the work of Peter Howson. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
His talent, in the sort of expression | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
and the vigour of his style | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
and the crowd scenes and the passion he's able to put into his paintings, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
and yet a tenderness, which I've seen in more recent work, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
I think is just the ideal quality, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
the ideal characteristics for the painting we're conceiving. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
The painting, although commissioned for the cathedral, was never going to be paid for by the Church. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:27 | |
Instead, Peter's management devised a plan that required him to paint ten smaller canvases | 0:09:27 | 0:09:34 | |
which would be sold to fund the massive Ogilvie commission. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Peter agrees to go along with this extremely ambitious plan, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
despite his state of mind and his financial situation. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Any doubts he has on the funding are outweighed by his desire to paint a large sacred work. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:53 | |
First of all a word of welcome, | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
welcome to you who have come to hear of the project | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
we have proposed for the cathedral. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
And I'm very grateful indeed for the enthusiasm which Peter Howson has shown towards this project | 0:10:03 | 0:10:11 | |
and the way in which he is already, as it were, entering into something of the sense and significance | 0:10:11 | 0:10:18 | |
of St John Ogilvie's life, in order to portray it within our cathedral. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
The Ogilvie project will be the biggest single painting of Peter's career. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
Along with the ten other canvases to fund the commission, it is a massive endeavour for any artist | 0:10:27 | 0:10:33 | |
and an even greater one for someone in Peter's fragile mental and financial state. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
Since I was very young, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
I've wanted to do a major painting for the church. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
You know, I've been looking, since I was very young, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
at Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
and I'd love to do something like that, something major. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
That sounds very big headed, but I suppose I am big headed, in a way! | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
ISLAMIC CALL TO PRAYER | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
To seek inspiration before starting the Ogilvie commission, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
Peter makes a rare journey away from his routine in Glasgow, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
to accompany the archbishop on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
This is the old city of Jerusalem in front of us. This is my favourite city in the world. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
That is the centre of the planet for me and it's where I can feel so much excitement and joy, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:36 | |
at times, but it's tension mainly, because this city could explode | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
at any point, really, with all the factions. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On Earth as it is in Heaven... | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
This is the start of the Stations of the Cross. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
It's difficult to get an idea of that, you know, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
and there's a cross waiting for us over there, as well. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
I can't equate any of this to what I'm going to be doing | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
with John Ogilvie, really. Just, it'll be... | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
All I'm trying to do is get some kind of peace and inspiration here, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
I suppose, but I'm agitated quite a lot of the time, still, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
with big crowds of people. But I'm still enjoying it, though. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
I suppose I'm enjoying getting annoyed probably, you know. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
You see, the problem with Christian art, you know, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
when you buy your souvenirs around Bethlehem or Jerusalem, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
Jesus is always seen as being slightly weak and pretty. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
And it's kitschy, the art, really, you know. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
The real Jesus wasn't like that at all. The real Jesus was a wild man. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
The difficulty for artists is to capture that, you know, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
to see the real Jesus. I mean, the guide was saying | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
people are looking for Jesus in the various places. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
They're looking for a footprint here or, you know, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
a hand mark there or a thumb print or a sign of him, a stone, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
a marking, anywhere, you know. And they can never find him. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
You just can't do it. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
I'm under a huge amount of stress | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
and this gives me a lot of spiritual energy, really. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
It comes down from above. That's the way... | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
I feel strong, I feel strong again. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
I can go back to Glasgow now and I can kick ass, if you don't mind. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
Oh, sorry, I shouldn't have said that! | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Peter returns to Glasgow, but doesn't begin work on the Ogilvie commission. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
Even three months after the project was announced, he is nowhere near | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
starting the main canvas, never mind the ten smaller ones, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
to be sold to fund the project. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Instead, he's keeping himself busy completing other work in his studio. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
Peter hasn't started the John Ogilvie painting because he has had a row | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
with his local management over the funding of the project. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
Basically I'm getting rid of the people that take care of me, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
who thought they were involved in this commission. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
They are no longer doing this commission, they are out, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
as far as I'm concerned, and I'm dealing with the Catholic church, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
me and them, which is the way I always wanted to do it. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
These people think they made me, for some reason. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
They come along three or four years ago and they think, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
"this guy's a fool and we're going to make him," you know. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
-Do you want to say who they were? -No, I can't say who they were. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
Peter has realised that the original plan, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
to deliver ten paintings to fund the cathedral commission, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
is not financially viable | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
and leads to him leaving his management and going it alone. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
The financial deal wasn't any good. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:31 | |
It wasn't going to work, basically, so it's no fault of the Church, or anything like that. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:37 | |
Basically what it is, is that I'm probably going to end up | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
gifting the painting to the Church... | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
..and that will remove any difficulties, except for financial. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
It'll create financial difficulties, We'll have to find sponsorship. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
I'll have to find it to pay for the thing to be done, you know, as it's going to cost a lot of money to do - | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
about 80,000, possibly, maybe even 100,000. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
So it's building up the frustration nicely, you know, so that there'll be a... | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
When it finally happens, it'll be a blast, you know. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
Peter's formal training to be an artist began when he was 17, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
as a student at the Glasgow School of Art. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
But he became disillusioned and left to join the army, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
before returning to finish his course four years later. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
I think it was pretty obvious that he had a talent, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
the first time I actually spoke to him and saw his work. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
And he had hundreds and hundreds of drawings and paintings... | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
of the landscape, etc, etc. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
We were looking through, but it was like he was doing them almost by, he was doing them in his sleep. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
He could do this. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
And I felt he should be doing something else. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
And we were looking through some sketch book | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
and there were a group of drawings of, really just rough drawings, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:07 | |
of memories of barrack life, being in the army. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
And I said, "This is what you should be doing." | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
The army was pretty bad. It was the actual bullying that I couldn't take. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
It wasn't me being bullied, it was other people being bullied. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
The fact is, you know, I just didn't like the brutality. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
I think we've got some of the first real successful images | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
of army life, really, when he really, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
I think, maybe towards the end of his fourth year. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
And this is when you think, "Whoa, this guy's... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
"He's an important artist, he's got something to say. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
"You know, he counts." | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
What Howson says now is something we've got to look at, really think about. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
After art school, Peter came to global prominence as an artist as one of the new Glasgow Boys. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
And in 1993, he was the subject of a BBC documentary, when he was chosen | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
to be the official war artist in the Bosnian civil war. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
His experiences in Bosnia not only changed his art, but his whole life. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
I was talking to Terry about Bosnia the other night. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
She thinks it's going to scar me for the rest of my life. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
From the time he was selected until now, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
it has been an appalling time. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
Not from the point of view of being worried about him | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
or anything like that, just the way he's champing at the bit to go. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Oh, oh, three of them. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Lucy sees it as being a business trip, really. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
Her daddy goes off to London, he goes to America. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
It's just another trip. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
She'll wander around happily saying, "My daddy's off to Bosnia". | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
It's only when you're confronted face to face and flesh to flesh that you actually realise | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
the true situation in Bosnia, the horror of the situation, when it's staring you in the face. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:21 | |
Two people killed, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
the driver of the bus there and a man who was also killed. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
And that's, er, that's what's left of him there. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
This area is occasionally, as you've just heard, under shell fire, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
-so if you want to do your sketch. It's just we don't spend too much time. -No, no. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
And that grey object is the man's brains down there, in case you're interested. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
I can't sketch this, really. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
You just take it in, I think. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
There's no way I can watch this. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
Bosnia definitely had a deep and profound effect on Peter. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
He was a troubled man before that... | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
..but my sense is that, when he came back, he was a little lost. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
And although it actually brought about one the most powerful groups of work that he ever produced, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:43 | |
it did really bring about the end of his relationship with his wife. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
When he went to Bosnia, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
he changed so dramatically that I didn't know him. | 0:20:54 | 0:21:00 | |
With Peter, people telling him a story, he sees the story, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
so, you know, even if he'd only heard about some atrocity, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
it would be living large in his head and it really | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
badly, badly affected him. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Bosnia had so traumatised him | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
that nothing meant anything to him any more. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
And that was when we split up. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
He just walked out, disappeared, leaving behind Lucy, who just... He didn't want to know us. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:36 | |
It was like a catalyst for both of them. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
The trauma of Bosnia | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
made Peter's Asperger's Syndrome, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
to me, much more in your face. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
And also Lucy's autism became more extreme because of | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
the devastation to her of losing her father at the time. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
I loved her, and I was worried about her, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
but I didn't know how to handle it | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
and so I just kind of left her to everyone else to take care of, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
you know, and I just visited her and had her up every now and then. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
But now she's become a permanent part of my life and, you know, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
I'm learning so much now from her. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:15 | |
I think that's a marked domino. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
Lucy is now 24 and divides her time between her mother's home | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
and at Peter's house, with his new partner, Annie. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
This is my bedroom. It's the biggest room in the house. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
And this is work that Peter's given me since we met. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
This is a Valentine card, which, I suppose, seems a bit strange, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
because it's as if it's a down and out, but it's actually reaching forward | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
and the hearts are just flowing out of where his heart is. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
You can see the wee red hearts here and it's as if he's, sort of, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
throwing himself towards, towards me, maybe. I hope it's me. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
This was actually meant to be the matrimonial bedroom... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
..but we're not married yet and maybe we will and maybe we won't. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
We're happy as we are. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
But I sleep in here and Peter's got his room. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
And it works fine. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
So, I share this bed with the dog. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
You know, Annie and I have had our problems, as well, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
because it's difficult for her to live with me like this. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
You don't know me. You don't know what I'm like. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
You're not filming me all the time, you know. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
You don't know what I'm like. You don't know how mad I am. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
It's four months after the Ogilvie commission was announced | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
and no paint has even come close to a canvas. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
With the cost of the paint alone running to tens of thousands of pounds, Peter is worried. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
It's the money. The money's running out. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
I'm quite confident that things will work out, Peter. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
-Well, "quite" isn't good enough for me. -Well, I'm very sure. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
All right, brilliant. Thank you. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
'Nitro-glycerine. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
'I mean, that's what you're, literally, handling when you're' | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
round about Peter. It's like handling nitro. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
You can say one wrong word and it blows up in your face. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
After years of struggling with his mental health, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
Peter was officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in early 2009. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
Asperger's Syndrome's a form of autism. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
It manifests itself in difficulties with social interaction. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
This is a hidden disability. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
People with autism spectrum disorders, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
there's nothing physical about it and so, society views that person | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
as looking so-called "normal" and places certain expectations. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
And when people don't meet those expectations, that is when things become more fraught and difficult. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
People think that people with autism, or Asperger's, are thick. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:11 | |
I think they are very naive | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
and very literal in the way that they take things. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
And, in a way, that's the way Peter is. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
He's so intelligent, and so well read, but there is this naivety. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
He's so trusting. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
The one thing I am sure of is that, whatever condition I've got, if it's Asperger's or just | 0:25:31 | 0:25:37 | |
a wee bit of madness, is that it certainly makes the paintings vital to me | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
and gives me tremendous inspiration. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
These are things from a while ago. This is like sketch books, you know, these are all the lists I make up. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
My whole thing really is | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
work, work, work, work, work, draw, draw, draw. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
There's lots and lots of these sketch books about. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
A few years ago, I probably would've flogged these for a hundred quid each | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
and some guy would've been laughing all the way to the bank. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
That's what happens. People come into my studio, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
they buy things off me, or they have done. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
And they go out of the studio and before they even leave the studio | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
I can actually feel that they've got the laughter, almost, as if I'm some kind of fool. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
That's the way I feel in my, kind of, more bitter moments. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
It's business that is the problem for me. Always has been. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
Basically, I'm, kind of, open to all sorts of philanderers | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
and conmen to come and buy things off me very cheaply. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
When situations are far more complex, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
when the stakes are a lot higher, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
where they're involving large sums of money, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
Peter is more significantly impaired and, therefore, it renders him | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
more vulnerable, if somebody is wishing to take advantage of that. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Peter has been royally shafted over the years by so many people | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
that I couldn't even begin to start. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
He's lost millions upon millions of pounds worth of earnings, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:19 | |
but also he's lost some credibility, as well, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
because of what's happened to him in business. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
Not every piece Peter produces is great and, sometimes, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
unfinished works have left the studio | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
because collectors or dealers have been eager to buy work before Peter's even finished it. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:50 | |
But the well-considered works of Peter are his really strong pieces | 0:27:50 | 0:27:57 | |
and at a certain time, the right curator will come along and will put together a major | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
retrospective of Peter's work and he will be recognised as one of the great painters of our time. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:08 | |
Six months after the commission was announced, work still hasn't started on the painting. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
Peter has been unable to work at all, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
following a complete physical collapse and being rushed into hospital in an ambulance. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:26 | |
Under doctor's orders, he is forced to rest at home. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
BARKING | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
Would you like...? I take it you would. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
Do you want a bite? Come on. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
He felt as though he was having a stroke. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
They did all these different tests and things and the result was | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
they said he shouldn't work for three months. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
It's been confirmed, I suppose, that it's like a breakdown of sorts, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
really - a mental and a physical breakdown, you know, where your brain just shuts down. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
I couldn't talk properly or think properly. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
I couldn't read, write, even walk properly, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
for quite a few days. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
I mean, I don't know what will happen. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
You know, it's in the kind of, it just depends if I can recover. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:17 | |
He's an incredibly good man, with all this strangeness, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
this ephemera, this madness, all channelling away all around him. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:28 | |
But if he didn't have that, then he couldn't create those paintings. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
So, while he suffers, we benefit. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
One month after his collapse, Peter has the opening of a special exhibition of his work, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
at the Museum of Art and Religious Life in Glasgow. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
In collaboration with the Catholic Church, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
this series of paintings depicts the Irish Famine, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
from both sides of the religious divide. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
When I woke up this morning, I thought, "Oh, to hell with this, I don't really want to go in today." | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
But, being a bit of a stoic, I suppose, I thought, "Well, to hell with it, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
"if I drop dead today, then at least I'll have made it in." | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
I'm excited. This is a new show and it does tie in | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
with the John Ogilvie project. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
Really this is like, the first stage, in a way, you know. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
A lot of people perceive the Irish Famine | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
as being thousands and thousands of Catholics starving to death. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
Well, I mean, the reality is that there was many, many Protestants died in that famine, as well. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:42 | |
There is this kind of huge sectarian problem in Glasgow, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
so basically this is an anti-sectarian exhibition, really. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
This is the first stage to me getting back to health. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
This proves that I'm back, really, you know. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
I've got a very good psychologist. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
I've been pronounced clinically mad and all my financial affairs | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
have been taken over by a board of trustees, under a guardianship, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
so I'm very happy. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
The guardianship is in two parts. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Peter's business affairs are now being overseen by a formal lawyer | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
and his welfare by his psychologist, Michael McCreadie. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
One of the first things I did when I met Peter was to say to him, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
"You're incredibly vulnerable here | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
"and there has to be things put in place that will really, kind of, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
prevent money just haemorrhaging out of your life. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
It's eight months since the Ogilvie commission was announced and Peter still hasn't started the painting. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
His mental state and the strain of severing links with his | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
ex-management are magnified when the story hits the front page. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
Something's come out in the press, you know, in one of | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
the tabloids, The News of the World, about this kind of problem that we've been having, you know. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
And it's hit.. the shit's hit the fan, I suppose. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
Ever since I've known Peter, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
there has been stress with him and his work. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
But I think Peter quite likes stress. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
But over the last so many months, it has been to do with - | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
and I don't know if I should say this - to do with management that he's had. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
The main thing is to get on with the John Ogilvie commission, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
you know, and just do that and just forget about all this stuff. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
This stuff will just go away, you know, and people, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
people forget things, you know. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:37 | |
It is now nine months since the Ogilvie commission was announced | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
and the archbishop intervenes to try and break the deadlock. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
We've been able to put, at his disposal, a now disused church, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
which will act as his studio for some ten years. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
And he's delighted at that prospect. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
The Ogilvie painting is planned to be eight metres high | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
and Peter's own studio isn't big enough to take work of this size. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
This payment in kind, of larger studio space from the Church, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
should at last enable Peter to start the painting. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
-We need to be able to get a canvas nine by seven in through the doors. That's kind of... -I'll check that. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
All right, we'll check that. And this is going to be the main area where John Ogilvie is painted on here. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
The easel will go there. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
And through there is the more secret place, where no-one else gets through. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
It's a bit of a weird way of doing it, because it means that anyone | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
that comes in immediately sees John Ogilvie, but that's fine. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
Through there I'll store stuff and I'll maybe do other sketches and drawings. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
Peter is visiting his new studio space for the first time, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
with his full-time assistants, Douglas and John. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
My impressions of this place are very positive and I'm excited about it. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:56 | |
In fact, my voice is almost going a wee bit higher. I'm, yes, I'm excited. I am. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:03 | |
I've got all these big drawings at home of John Ogilvie. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
I was just trying to get his face right, because who knows what he looked like. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
And it's whether to do him as he would have been, or whether you have to, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
kind of, slightly, kind of, heroise him a bit | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
or prettify him a bit, because obviously he would have been bashed about a lot. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
He'd been tortured for seven or eight days, I think. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
So he would have been in a terrible physical condition by the time he was hung. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
I don't want to get too, kind of, overconfident, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
but this is the place where John Ogilvie will be painted | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
and it's...exciting. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
Everything's moving ahead. I've been drawing, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
I've been drawing away, just various drawings, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
just to get the...to get the, kind of, a shape, really, a shape of the...of the martyrdom. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:05 | |
It's quite difficult, actually. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
The most important drawing so far is probably this one. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
And this is the... | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
..you're kind of getting more into the actual feeling of the thing. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
Things are moving and it's, you know, we've got the studio. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
I've just ordered the canvas and, basically, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
it's going to be 27 feet high and ten feet across. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:38 | |
It's quite daunting, that size of a canvas, isn't it? | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
You know, it is quite daunting and I have to get... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
Douglas has got the job of getting it into the studio. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
Now, we're going to have to somehow get it in. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
What we've had to do, because the sizes of the canvases are huge, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
we've had to actually slab a hole right along the wall | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
so that we can... just like a letter box. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
We're going to have to pass the canvases through. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
Once they're in the new studio safely, I'll be quite happy. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Ten years of... Basically, I'll be 61 by the time we leave this place. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
That's if we ever get the John Ogilvie painted. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Despite all this effort, Peter turned down the offer | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
from the archdiocese and decided not to use this as a studio, after all. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
The blank canvases are still inside. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
Almost a year after the announcement of the commission, | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
Peter has decided to paint the Ogilvie on a smaller scale - and in his own studio. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
But he's still worried about raising the tens of thousands of pounds | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
the materials will cost to start the painting. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
He has decided to sell his own book collection to help the fund raising. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
I shouldn't be selling it, but I need the money. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
There's a control freak. I tried to stay away, but I can't stay away, really, so... | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
What the hell's happening? Is it going to go in the cupboard?! | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
The truth is that it's the worst organised commission I've ever been given in my life. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
I feel as if every single ounce of energy in me has been sapped by it. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
As the auction of Peter's books is being prepared, he gets an unexpected summons to London. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
I'm in London to collect my OBE today. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
And the Queen has requested my presence at 10.20. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:12 | |
'I've been quite nervous, quite nervous now, but not as nervous as I was last night.' | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
I'm just really proud of him, really. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
The idea of fame | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
or recognition or honour doesn't really... | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
it has a, kind of, certain hollow ring to it at the moment, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
because of all the troubles that we've been through the last few years, especially the last year. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
I mean, the ironic thing is that | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
I'm getting an OBE today and I'm having to sell a lot | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
of family possessions to raise money, at the moment. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
I'm also slightly worried in case I run amok in Buckingham Palace. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:53 | |
Is that likely? > | 0:38:53 | 0:38:54 | |
Not likely. I would say 99.9% certain that it won't happen. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
But there's always a chance. I've taken my tablet. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
Oh, it's exciting, isn't it? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
-It's exciting now. -It's exciting. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
-It is. -Security, I love security Anything to do with security, I love. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
Do you want me to get my OBE out or what? Yeah? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Could you hold this? I can't fold that. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
-No, of course, you can't. -I've lost it. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
-Might get a good price for it on eBay, maybe. -Oh! | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
I need the money, though. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
It was a very beautiful ceremony. It was amazingly spectacular. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
I was very impressed with it. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
I was worried in case my pants were getting stuck up my trousers, as well, when I was doing it. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
-Or I had diarrhoea or something. -Oh, Peter! -What? | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
A whole year after the Ogilvie commission was announced, and with the guardianship | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
now giving Peter more stability, financially and psychologically, he doesn't need to worry | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
about money for the Ogilvie commission. Now, all he has to do is paint it. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
-Come on, son. -I've done my back in. -He's done his back in. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
But I'll be OK. Don't you worry. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
It's just when I'm sitting down in the car. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
Right, I need to get a corset. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
A nice frilly one. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:00 | |
So is there anything special happening today? | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
Aye. A very important day. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
An important day, because I'm starting John Ogilvie today. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
'I realised the key to things over the next...is me getting into work. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
'And I haven't really been doing that, lately, at all. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
I've been kind of moping at home and the physical act of painting | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
'and, you know, mental activity, is probably what I need at the moment.' | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
I made the decision, if I don't do the John Ogilvie, people will gradually, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
you know, take sides with, whereas a Protestant like me doing the, working for the Church, the Catholic Church, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:42 | |
will hopefully bring people together, especially if I can do a good job on it. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:48 | |
I'm giving it away for nothing. It's a gift. It's an eight by six. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
It's going to be smaller, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
a lot smaller than the actual | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
original kind of plan, you know. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
Originally, when the press conference took place, it was going to be | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
the largest crowd scene ever painted in Scotland. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
Well, it's probably going to be the smallest crowd scene ever painted | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
in Scotland now, because I'm just going to probably do John Ogilvie | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
and we'll be the crowd, you know. The people that see it will be the crowd. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
Let's get on with it. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
MUSIC: "Cochise" by Audioslave | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
# Go on and save yourself | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
# And take it out on me | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
# Go on and save yourself | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
# And take it out on me | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
# Go on and save yourself | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
# And take it out on me | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
# Go on and save yourself | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
# And take it out on me | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
# Go on and save yourself | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
# And take it out on me | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
# Go on and save yourself | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
# And take it out on me | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
# Go on and save yourself | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
# And take it out on me | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
# Yeah. # | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
I didn't expect to get quite as much done. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
But I wasn't tentative today about it. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
I was right, kind of, psyched up and, you know, anything, the only thing, that would have stopped me | 0:44:04 | 0:44:10 | |
coming in was probably, you know, like having | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
something happening to Lucy or something, or an accident, or an epileptic fit or something. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
So I was all set for... I was raring to go. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
So it's gone well. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
It's just a start, really, isn't it? It's what happens after this. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
The start can be quite easy sometimes. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
It's what happens after that. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
As Peter forges ahead with the painting, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
the cathedral renovation is progressing slowly. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
The announcement of the papal visit has added pressure to the schedule. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
The stage they're at, at the moment, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
after having taken down so much, they're now replacing things, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
restoring things, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
putting a new floor down, looking to high level work. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
Windows have been taken out. They'll be replaced very shortly. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
It's at the stage of, I think, over the top, shall we say, of the hill. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:21 | |
The date, hopefully, for completion is now mid-September. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:29 | |
It was the end of September, but with the thought of the Holy Father coming and the possibility | 0:45:29 | 0:45:35 | |
of his looking in en route, we would like to get it finished by mid-September. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:41 | |
Peter's enthusiasm is re-fired, I think, | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
and I gather from friends, who have actually seen the work, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:55 | |
that it is, possibly, going to be one of his finest works. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
I haven't seen it yet and I don't want to press him, until he's ready to show it to me. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
It's looking a bit, at the moment, it's looking a wee bit | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
raw and cartoon-like, I suppose, in a way, a bit caricature, almost. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
So, I have to get away from that. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
I'm just wondering whether it's possible to, for me to, to actually go beyond that, you know. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:59 | |
I'm just trying to make this painting as if he's just about to meet his death, you know, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:11 | |
and he's, you know, he's been through all this torture. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
Everyone's really been very kind to me. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
They've all been very understanding and I hope they're not going | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
to be horrified when they see it, this painting. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
I hope it will move people to, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
to be healed by the power of John Ogilvie. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
When I was young, I was obsessed with death. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
I thought the world was going to end when I was about 13, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
12, 13 years old, and I decided I was going to do 12 last paintings before the end of the world, you know. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:57 | |
I was excited about it. It was not something that I was frightened of. But I frightened everyone else. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
I mean, the idea of painting, if you think the world's not going to be here. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:09 | |
It cannot be then said that I paint for posterity | 0:48:09 | 0:48:14 | |
or for money or for, you know, for any kind of worldly fame. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
I'm not really interested in that. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:19 | |
The reason why I paint is because my paintings change people's lives and if I can do one painting | 0:48:19 | 0:48:25 | |
that can change someone's life then that's my function. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
When you think of the totality of Peter's work, it's awesome. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
I mean, this particular commission. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
How many contemporary artists could do that... | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
..are capable of doing that? | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
Not very many. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:45 | |
After nine months work, and despite the Ogilvie canvas being complete in most people's eyes, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:57 | |
Peter keeps on changing the painting. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
What stage is the painting at for you? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
It's at the shite stage. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
I've been ranting and raving all day. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
I've, kind of, forgotten how to paint, I think. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
Sometimes you've got to go through these stages of... | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
..absolute hell to get there, you know. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
It's changed quite a lot since you last saw it. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
It was looking all, looking too cartoony, I suppose, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:40 | |
and I wasn't pushing myself to the absolute limit. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
It's a big painting and it feels even bigger now, you know. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
It feels like a monster now. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
If you see it in a mirror, you can see whether a painting is balanced or not. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:02 | |
You can see all the mistakes in it. And it's a horrific sight sometimes. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
'It's just quite ironic that it's being gifted to the Church | 0:50:08 | 0:50:14 | |
'and it's causing me this amount of anguish, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
'I suppose, you know, just to do it, do the painting.' | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
Right... Thank you, time to go. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
But Peter wasn't quite finished for the day. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
So what, kind of, got you going there? | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
Just a need to really destroy it, to rebuild, you know. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
I think the main thing was to get rid of the prettiness of the colours | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
and the, you know, the prettiness of the subject, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
because it is a grim subject matter, you know. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:21 | |
Focus on John Ogilvie, which is I think what it has done now. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
I like it better, anyway. Aye, it's definitely all right. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
Right, big man, see you in the morning. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
That last 20 minutes there, it was quite, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
it was like watching a Mike Tyson fight. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
It was exciting, because you didn't know what he was going to do. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
You didn't know if he was going to just smash right through the canvas, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
there was that much energy going into it, you know. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
And to have that confidence to be able to do that, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
I mean, especially on such a thing as large as that, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
and the amount of work and time that he's put into it. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
I was only kidding him on when I said to him this morning, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
"There must be 20 grand's worth of paint on it." But there's got to be ten grand's worth on it. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
Despite all the delays in starting, and months of work, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
Peter continues to paint out the figure on the canvas. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:22 | |
I went in the next morning and I did even more, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
but I buggered it up again, so then I started getting | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
more and more frustrated and I just completely covered it over - | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
almost destroyed it. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:40 | |
And so actually I've done another one, basically, and then started this other one as the other one | 0:52:40 | 0:52:46 | |
was starting to go downhill. So I spent a week from start to finish | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
on a John Ogilvie and it's better than the one I worked months on. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
The main thing is John Ogilvie is there | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
and it's much, much better and more moving than the other one was. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:11 | |
I'm trying not to smile here. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
-Are you pleased with it? -Aye. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
After nearly two years, the Ogilvie is finally complete. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:25 | |
A canvas a fifth the size of the original plan, but complete, nonetheless. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:30 | |
With the unveiling planned to coincide with the papal visit, there is a final setback. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
Three months before the Pope comes to Glasgow, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
the main contractor for the cathedral renovation goes into administration, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
with the loss of 170 jobs. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
This will delay the completion date by at least six months. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
Given this delay, and with other work stacking up for Peter, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
the decision is made to unveil the painting at the archdiocese offices in Glasgow. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
Are you nervous about the unveiling? | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
I'm nervous, yeah. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:08 | |
I mean, when I first came in here, to tell the truth, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
it didn't look as good as I thought it was going to look. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
But I'm gradually warming to it again. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
It's quite emotional, I suppose, as well, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
because it's the end of a chapter, beginning of a new chapter. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:25 | |
It's about time I got on to a new chapter, because this one's starting to get really boring. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
It's a great afternoon for us. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
At last, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
here in the Eyre Hall, we are able to unveil | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
Peter Howson's gift of the painting of the martyrdom of St John Ogilvie. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:46 | |
Well, thank you very much, Your Grace. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
Eh... I hope you like it, actually. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:54:55 | 0:54:56 | |
If there's a dead silence, then I know that you don't. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
No, it's, it's a long, it has been a long journey. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
Two years, in fact. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
And I'll tell you a wee bit about it. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
It was going to be a lot bigger | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
and it was going to be one of the largest crowd scenes | 0:55:15 | 0:55:20 | |
in art history. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
It sounds a bit pompous saying that. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
I worked on a painting for about nine months, almost, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:31 | |
and then, in one moment of absolute madness, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
I completely destroyed it, after nine months' work. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:38 | |
But luckily, a bit like Blue Peter, I had one already prepared earlier. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:55:42 | 0:55:43 | |
I don't know what more I can say, apart from unveiling it, really. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
But thank you all for coming and this is the dodgy bit, in case it falls over. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
This is very much more an invitation to engage spiritually | 0:56:23 | 0:56:28 | |
with someone who, for his faith, was prepared to go to the gallows. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
He's always searching for something new and I think | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
that's something that keeps me, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
as a fan | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
and a dealer in his work, interested. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
I'm never quite sure what to expect. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
He's an asset. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
In this time of such puerile, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
pathetic expressions of what we call art - | 0:56:54 | 0:57:01 | |
it is almost disgusting. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
And I say, "Thank God for Peter Howson." | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
It's a very difficult thing to do, obviously - | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
paint a religious image for the 21st century. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
How difficult is that? But most artists couldn't even | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
contemplate doing something like this, but he's done it. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
So I think we have to take our hat off to Peter Howson, once again. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
I've been through a hellish time. It's a dark period. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
It sounds a bit melodramatic, talking about me, me, me and my health. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
But I've been, the first time in my life, | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
about two months ago, | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
I felt suicidal. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
I've fought my way through this. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:58 | |
I'm still not completely out of the woods, as they say... | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
..but I'm recovering now. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
I understood what it was like to be in the mind of a madman. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:11 | |
It's not a very nice place to be. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
I'd like to get a bit of joy back in my life now, somehow, | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
and stop being a miserable bastard. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
It's difficult, though. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
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