Claudia Winkleman and Danny Leigh review films including George Clooney's latest film, The Ides of March; Justin Timberlake's sci-fi spectacular, In Time; and Anonymous.
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Hello, and welcome to Film 2011. We Hello, and welcome to Film 2011. We
are live, and if you want to get in touch, the details are on the screen
now. Coming up tonight: George Clooney gets all powerful and
political in The Ides of March. Today marks the beginning of a fight
between two sets of ideals. It doesn't matter what you thought, it
matters what you did and what yo do. Was Shakespeare the real deal?
was the question in Anonymous. 10,000 listen to go the ideas of one
man. That's power, Robert. Will Shakespeare, fraud, charlatan.
And we take your breath away as Top And we take your breath away as Top
Gun turns 25. I feel the need, the need for speed. Ow!
Plus Paul Greengrass talks about the Plus Paul Greengrass talks about the
making of his film, United 93. First The Ides of March, which stars my
future husband Ryan Gosling and is directed by George Clooney. You OK?
We are going to be fine. It's the right thing to do and if nothing
happens we will be doing the right thing. Is this your personal
theory? I can shoot holes in it. There's exceptions to every rule.
The movie takes him on a classic The movie takes him on a classic
story, you start out in something very big and bit by bit you start to
take things away by people who are better at it than he is and he
becomes the master of it and gives away only his soul to win.
That to us was exciting. Got a That to us was exciting. Got a
couple of minutes? I can't be talking to you. You are. You are
Is it worth doing this wrong thing, Is it worth doing this wrong thing,
leaving the campaign while the ropes, to work for
candidate, but if he works for that candidate then he can potentially
get into the White House and affect policy and effect change. You are
a sinking ship. Tell her what she wants to know and jump. Come
our side. We can control this thing. Steve? I got to go.
I would say the movie is not I would say the movie is not
actually about politics. It takes place in a political world. What
it's about is universal themes like ambition, hubris, betrayal, lust. It
just so happens it takes place political backdrop and the stakes
are high. If he loses, you are back at a consulting firm. The themes
are universal. I thought I was being smooth and subtle. No, you are
being forward. You have no idea how to tie a tie, do you? No, not a
clue. George is one of the few actors on the planet you really
believe could be a President of United States. You look at him and
say there's a guy who presidential by nature. What do you
want? Cabinet post. I said I wasn't going to make those deals.
I love working with a director I love working with a director
that's also an actor. They know to talk to you, how to take care of
you and what it's like to be in your shoes so they are really sensitive
to that. He knows exactly what he wants so you can really relax.
not telling you what to do but he is so strong in being able to -
you are offering him, he is saying yes, that works, lose that,
that, and it's a letter vision he does it with such - it's a
vision but he does it with such finesse, as you might imagine.
LAUGHTER. You really want this story getting out? Dignity matters.
You are off the campaign but thought it was important to "fix
things"? Integrity matters. future depends on it. Don't do
this! I will do or say anything if I believe in it but I have to
believe in the cause. Danny Leigh. Claudia Winkleman. Good, I'm
pleased we've done that. Let's roll. So this is a story about
American politics. As a West Wing obsessive, this is always going to
be a disappointment, before you have even bought your ticket for the
film. However, that's probably unfair on anybody who wants to write
a political drama. You've got to put that to one side. I really found
this enjoyable. It's taut, which I like. Sort of springy, sort of
tight. It's solid. The actors really good. My only gripe
to say this early on, is that the basic premise, which is some
politicians are naughty, or they can betray people, is no biggie, because
I feel like I think 12 years after Primary Colours you are sort of
going - ee - however, recommend it. What do you think?
don't think you talk to the story - I've lost my train of thought
completely. Take me. I will. George Clooney I think directs
really, really well. Ryan Gosling is brilliant. My train of thought has
returned. It's like a very built lovingly crafted box. I think
the question is whether that's enough. You've got it
with great performances. Yeah. you say. The main problem is this
film is saying something which it thinks is revelatory, which is
as you say the American system does strange things
they can be corrupted. I don't know if that's enough to carry the movie.
As a Friday night film it's fine and it is piled high with great
performances. It's an actor's movie essentially. Yes. Clooney is a
master really, even when he is in the shot himself. Getting out of
shot and letting people of the character of Philip Seymour Hoffman
do their stuff, on that scale it works perfectly. Like you I have
reservations about the message. The cherry is Ryan Gosling and it's
brilliantly cast. Here is the thing. When you get 20 minutes
you are going to sort of know what's going to happen. If you are
expecting a twist, that's not the way it works. Yes, the thing is,
the way the film is sold as a political thriller, it's doing
itself a disservice there because people will be expecting something
to happen whereas if people are sitting there on the weekend
they can pause the screen 20 in, if you took a straw poll after
that and ask to take a wild guess about what will happen to each of
the characters here, pretty much everyone will be spot on. I have a
lot of respect for the job George Clooney has done here. What he has
done is on one level he has got of the way of the actors; on
level he is also aware that making a film about men in shirt
talking to each other sort of visual energy and
imagination. He does just enough. He doesn't do what Roland Emmerich,
we will be talking about later on - he manages to make these scenes of
men in rooms work. It's just that you keep coming round to that same
problem which is that in will be next year, 2011 at the
moment, talk being the 2012 elections, I don't know if what this
film is saying is cute or enough because America has bigger
problems actually than the fact that individual politicians have strange
proclivities. Yes, but I would recommend it. Would you? I would
a Friday night movie. What's interesting is that it has its
shameless Oscar bait and it has pretensions - a cruel word - but
pretensions to being more than that. As a Friday night movie it's fine.
Next up is Anonymous. The film the question: was Shakespeare
We all know Shakespeare, the most We all know Shakespeare, the most
famous author of all time. Writer of 37 plays, and why we are here today.
But what if I told you Shakespeare never wrote a single word?
This film is a political thriller, This film is a political thriller,
set on a backdrop of Elizabethan England, and it also begs the
question whether William Shakespeare of Stratford was the author of the
complete works of Shakespeare or whether it was Edward de Vere,
Earl of Oxford, who I play in the film.
All art is political otherwise it would be just decoration and artists
have something to say otherwise they would make shoes, and you are not
cobbler, are you? My God, the Earl of Oxford does not write plays.
this is to be done, it must be carefully. Skillfully. It was a
period in England where society and information was in flux. The Church
was no longer a mouthpiece for the masses. The theatres were.
10,000 all listening to the ideas one man. That's power. When I
out I had been asked to audition for Shakespeare, I was excited. It
not be performed until I tell you what you will only have a day's
notice. That will be expensive, having everything ready and keeping
props made cheaply. We wanted him to look like
to look like William Shakespeare, to have the same hair and everything,
everyone has an idea, but then to confound that by being quite
You've had a poem published today. You've had a poem published today.
Published, what, do you mean, like, in a book?
I think Will told a lie and there I think Will told a lie and there
are a lot of famous people that say the same thing and I think
should be made aware that the man from Stratford is only one of the
candidates. Ben, I'm an actor. Every inch of me, down to my very
toes, I want the - crave, to act. So bloody well act like a writer. And
for God's sake keep off the stage, will you? Writers do not have time
to act. What appealed to me about the film, the whole subject matter,
Shakespeare, Elizabethan will have, politics.
What thought of you of our young Lord's play, William, if plays are
indeed such a sin I pray that I will not find my salivation until very
late in life. On the one were extremely refined people, the
Renaissance, on the other hand were quite blood lusty and used
anything, you know, to keep their power. The theme was: is the pen
mightier than the sword? He is not an intellectual or worthy or sphere
I do not remember film; it's a cracking story. This will put
spanner in the complete works. of your plays will ever carry
What did you think of this one? What did you think of this one?
think the first time that you hear about Anonymous, you think: hang on,
this is absurd. Roland Emmerich, the director of Godzilla and 2012 and
the Day After Tomorrow is going to put away his effects and make an
Elizabethan costume drama about the disputed authorship of Shakespeare's
place. Maybe you think this is a lifetime's passion but no, Roland
Emmerich didn't like Shakespeare a kid. He has admitted that in a few
interviews and it was only as adult that he saw some adaptations,
and I have written this down, and he said: wow, this guy can tell a
story. Then you see the thing and it's so full of
it's so full of melodrama and it's just flagrant nonsense. How
could take this seriously is beyond me. It reaches a pitch of absurdity
and ludicrousness that actually it pains me to admit it, but it becomes
weirdly gripping. It's like gripped round the back of the neck,
not what I'm necessarily comfortable with, but gripped,
Claudia, I was. I totally agree with you. I haven't been to a
pantomime but I am sure I will It reminded me of one, if you like,
where he is going to shout: no, is behind you. The whole thing is
absurd. If you go into this thinking you will find out the truth
about Shakespeare you will be (a) lived and (b) disappointed. My
father is a massive fan of Shakespeare and I imagine he
be standing up shouting: no, people will get into trouble for this!
However, it is a rollicking good ride, I think over 120 minutes, but
I would say that Rhys Ifans is brilliant, Joely Richardson as well,
wonderful her mother plays the older Queen Elizabeth. I enjoyed it. I
think Rhys Ifans holds it together because his character make it is
believable. Rhys Ifans' career is interesting. He is clearly very
talented but at the same time if you look back, it's less a filmography
and more a charge sheet read out a trial but here he gives the film
heart. There are other great performances. Vanessa Redgrave
fantastic. I think it's worth mentioning that someone else
brought in to direct the stage element of the film which is
interesting because as a director I am not sure Roland Emmerich has such
a wonderful touch with actors so here you have a film where every
actor is playing at a slightly different pitch. They seem to be
acting in a in fact to other characters and
there's a moment also where the CGI suddenly comes out and you can
Roland Emmerich exhaling with relief: finally I can blow
up. Would you tell people to see this film? With reservations.
What's interesting is it has inspired this real life controversy.
I can see why Shakespearean dons are angry because they will be spending
the next 20 years now dealing with people who think that this is
somehow the truth but at the same time it's Roland Emmerich. The guy
clearly had to be restrained from recreating Elizabethan England and
flying pterodactyls over the top of it. Anyone who is taking this as
historical - Fact. - is sorely misguided. OK, on that topic it's
Cinema always treated history as Cinema always treated history as
nothing more than one enormous room and here are my top 5
historically inaccuracies. At number 5: The Patriot. May I sit with you?
It's a free country. Or will be. Not only does it suggest
that slavery itself was abolished by the American war of independence, it
also allows Heath Ledger to get married on a beach amongst
slaves in what looks like a Caribbean utopia more suitable for
the cover of a 1980s Sandals brochure. Will you have this
to be your wife, to live together the covenant of marriage, will you
love, comfort and honour her for so long as you both shall live?
At number 4, Titanic. Famously At number 4, Titanic. Famously
riddled with howlers, there are whole websites devoted to it but I
particularly rememberrish the moment - cherish where Rose sighs over a
number of paintings which didn't go down with the ship since
they currently hang in the Modern Art. They are fascinating,
like being inside a dream or something. There's truth but no
logic. What's the artist's name? Something Picasso. He won't
to a thing, he won't, trust me. At least they were cheap. At number 3,
No, the Americans did not capture No, the Americans did not capture
the first naval Enigma machine leading to the cracking of vital
German codes; it was in fact our very own HMS Bulldog and not even
the presence of the Bon Jovi is going to change that.
Great movie though. At number 2, Where Eagles Dare and
specifically Clint Eastwood's hair style, an anachronistic style if
ever I saw one. This is be
be the Secret Service in Bavaria. What were you
about? I told him I was Himmler's brother. I can see why that would
shake him up a little. More than a little I would think. Keep an eye on
things, I will be back. At number 1,
1, in the 1971 adaptation, most of mankind was to be wiped out by 1975,
leaving behind little but the entirely humourless Charlton Heston
which thankfully didn't happen. In 2001 a Space Odyssey they predicted
a nonstick frying pan on the moon. Which of those
pass? Brilliant. Thank you so much for
your tweets. One says: every time I hear someone in a Shakespeare movie
call him Will, I feel a tiny sick. Another one: he likes to
fast and loose with history, the little tinker. Another one
to Schindler's list and passive smoking which was only discovered in
the 1970s. Up next, a young woman is murdered
by a notorious gang member, sister wants revenge and joins
rival girl gang to get it. .
Just want to come up and take what's Just want to come up and take what's
mine. I will sort it. Leave it. What are you talking about? Leave
her alone. Stupid bitch. He is the one that killed my sister.
to kill you. /! Come on!
We are not getting involved. We are not getting involved.
happened to protecting each over? We are protecting ourselves. She
What happens? The only way you What happens? The only way you
# Break, break your neck # # Break, break your neck #
All right, bruv? Yes, exactly. What All right, bruv? Yes, exactly. What
# Break, break I liked about this film is I really
cared about the characters. There is menace in the air. There is a murder
scene - I don't think I am giving anything away because they show a
part of it and it happens the scene, it's really, really quite
terrifying, really scary. There is a girl in it called Lily Loveless
is brilliant - hello - who absolutely brilliant, and you can't
take your eyes off her and I it's just an amazing performance
because you are always drawn to her. I think what's wrong with it is it
can be quite disjointed. know if you agree? It is incredibly
disjointed, rough and would be easy to sit here and
the boot in. Let's accentuate the positive. If you look at British
crime movies, certainly in the post-Guy Richie era, so much of it
doesn't exist in reality. Girl gangs, I think anyone who lives in
London and any major city, will do exist. I spent a lot of time
the top deck of the A7 bus so I'm often around girl gangs and at
that's rooted in authenticity. Lily as you say is the real ace up
sleeve of this film. That's not to disrespect any of the other cast
members. Although not the biggest part, she is probably the best known
person in the film and she is class act. She elevates things. I
would almost be tempted to leave it there but in fairness we do have
point out that the film, as I rough and ready is the least of it.
It almost feels like it's built out of a kit of 101 other movies, and
there's a sort of sense of kidulthood and Byker Grove. So not a
winning combination. It's not great, there are good things about it.
years ago saw the release of that I love. Danny, you may look
away. As if my night weren't enough already. It may not be
considered a classic - is - it may not be high up but it
contains a volleyball sequence voted best scene in a film by Suck
magazine three years in a row. What more do you want?
It's easy to see why Top Gun struck It's easy to see why Top Gun struck
such a chord back in the 1980s. It has everything, fast planes, big
guns, hot guys, cool shades and tache. It's a movie about hot young
guys flying planes. This gives me a hard on. It's vacuous, empty, loud.
Don't tease me. Incredibly This is what I call a target-rich
environment. It matches the drug of the decade. This is a cocaine movie.
You are the top 1% of all naval Aveiators. The elite. Best of the
best. We will make you better. OK, we all know that it is no Citizen
Kane but the story of iceman and colleagues has become the stuff of
legend. I feel the need, the need for speed, it's one of my favourite
lines, quoted all the time. I they would send me a buck every time
the line is quoted. Jester's dead. Yehaw. I can't have the rest of my
life without someone shouting that at me from across the airport. You
are. You are all Top Guns. It is deftly deconstructed by Tarantino
himself. It is a story about a struggling with his own
homosexuality. The director is beavering away on a conversion but
he told us why it's still flying high after 25 years. It's a rare
mixture of everything: character, of action, of a very simplistic
but a great story. Tony Scott and famously Ridley Scott, London ad men
went over in the 1980s and brought this wonderfully glossy airbrushed
take to Hollywood. If you look commercial directors even today they
are all doing bad imitations of Tony Scott's look. Sunrises, saucy light,
motorbikes roaring through the desert. All of that is Tony
and he invented it with Top Gun. Real fighter pilots and
were used to create extraordinary sequences. But working
with the US Navy wasn't always easy, particularly when it came to getting
this crucial shot. CHEERING. Got the shot all ready to go and then they
turned the aircraft carrier so the light went flat and horrible,
and I got the admiral on the bridge and said what does it cost
minute to run in a particular direction, and I think in the end I
paid $25,000, I got them to send my chequebook up on a rope to the
Admiral, he then turned around and I got my shot. You! You
are still dangerous. You can be my wing man any time. Bull, you can be
sadly not all problems could be sadly not all problems could be
sadly not all problems could be solved quite so easily. They
solved quite so easily. They solved quite so easily. They
sadly not all discovered in the editing room
these incredibly expensive, incredibly complicated and
choreographed air sequences didn't actually make any sense and were not
communicating to the audience the drama, the nearness of the
the tension that they needed it to so they had to sort of start over.
Scott and the film's producers spent days and nights re-working the
aerial footage. Adding new lines of dialogue under the character's
masks. Watch out, there's an Mig your right, he is firing. I am hit,
I'm hit! There were first complaints that there wasn't
action on the ground, in the bedroom, so at the last minute
Scott pulled together a love scene. Tom was off then shooting Colour of
Money and we shot the elevator scene. Hair had been changed since
the first takes, hence the cap and an unlit set. The best song by
Berlin was also added at the minute and Top Gun was complete.
Right now, the sequel is being worked on. I ask only one thing for
that, that they somehow bring back Anthony Edwards from the dead, him
and his magnificent tache. Now, if you will excuse me, I feel the need,
the need for speed. God damn it, son after bitch! Yeeha! I love Chris
Hewitt. We've had so many tweets. Does it really upset you? It does
rather. You have a far away your eye. I apologise. Has been
sent in: I will never watch it. I'm 42. The other one: I grew to love
it. Worked in cinema when first released, it played for 26 weeks.
Not a lot else going on in Portsmouth. That's unfair, I love
Portsmouth, but that's a long time to sit in the cinema watching that
film. Next the story of a Mexican girl who dreams of becoming
queen but is forced into a life of drug running after she become as
eyewitness to a terrible crime. . Judge.
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 60 seconds
. GUNFIRE . Judicious.
I think technically, as a piece of I think technically, as a piece of
capital F Film, it's face-slappingly good, breathtaking. It's all about
camerawork and that's extraordinary here. What I do need to say to
people, particularly having seen that clip and they may be slightly
misled, although it's a bullet-strewn story, this isn't City
of God. It's something much arm's length and more distinctive
because of that. You are following the camera into strange
and unlikely places. There's a virtuoso gun battle that we saw in
that clip. You are following it all from ground level so it's
disorientating. City of God was a fantastic movie, but it was
Scorsese's Brazil. I love that this never seems like an audition for
Hollywood, it is made completely on its own account. I know, I thought
it was brilliant as well, and I keep on expecting her to be saved, just
because you mentioned Hollywood. are just thinking: please, can it go
differently? It's incredibly tense because everything you think is
going to happen you have to wait for so it's almost worse - you will know
hopefully when you go and see it, but you are just waiting for the
horror and of course it comes. is brilliant, this girl in it. She
is fantastic because it's such unusual character. You are not
dealing with a plucky underdog she is also not a villainous and her
character is in shock for most of the film. She has to play that.
doesn't have a big back story, a big emotional set piece, and yet all the
same it's a fantastic performance. What's your film of the week?
Miss Barlow in fact. And The Ides of March. Neither of us
have said Anonymous which is a heartbreaker. You can log onto our
website to find details. Next, director's cut and this week
we hear about the filming of 93.
Not that long after 9/11, I started Not that long after 9/11, I started
thinking about how I could make film that would explore it.
United 93 Cleveland, verify your United 93 Cleveland, verify your
altitude. Tom, I'm getting no response out of an United 93.
response at all. I remember absolutely drawn to United 93. And
the struggle on the plane. So it was a question of situating that
struggle in its correct context, which was all these systems. The
thin tissue of rationality by which we live our lives and how easy it is
to tear it, and what happens when we do and how swiftly the systems
All the people were all air traffic All the people were all air traffic
controllers who had been there on controllers who had been there on
All the people the day. We had brought over to play
that part. The idea was that you would sort of have a few actors in
amongst professionals, and, if you get that balance right and
are very, very lucky, the sort of actors stop acting and the
non-actors start acting and you get this beautiful sense of reality.
Ben, New York centre called, they were tracking the primary target and
they've lost it. Where? Somewhere over the city. Over the city?
down over the city? All in touch with the Metro tower,
if they have a visual. Jesus! my - And there was this incredible
emotional electricity on the you could see it in other moments. I
remember, there's a shot in that film, one of my
the film actually, where you are inside that military command centre.
Did you see that, sir? One of the Did you see that, sir? One of the
planes has gone off course and they are trying to work out what's
on. Jesus Christ. And the second plane, I think, has just hit
tower. And you see this woman and one of the officers is pushing the
room for information and you can see on her face shock and emotion. What
have you got, Shona? Passengers said they have another hijacked aircraft,
United 175. And that's not acting. You know, she had re-lived events
that she had gone through. What is happening?
h happen. We are going back to the airport, everything is going to
fine. The rule that I set was that we weren't going to shoot
from outside the aeroplane. In other words, we weren't going to use it as
a set with floating walls, which you could have done. We could have cut
the thing on half. They are on the ground, outside the cockpit. They
are on the floor. I wanted the situation that we were on the plane
and as constricted. She saw two bodies in front of the
the floor. You know, the way Barry Ackroyd and Clements shot it, they
were inhabiting this world so they were responding to events
were occurring, and it gave it that heightened sense of reality.
I think that scene that begins with I think that scene that begins with
the counterattack, if you like, from the passengers - go, go, go! Then
it always felt to me, watching that, that there was something of what was
going on in our world. That was the post-9/11 world. You know. A
desperate sort of struggle for the control of modernity, you know.
So fascinating, that's my film of So fascinating, that's my film of
the week. Mine too. Just stay in, get that. You can see more on the
Film 2011 website and over following weeks you will he we will have more
directors including Mike Leigh and Stephen Frears. Next week we will be
reviewing Straw Dogs and back to our regular Wednesday night spot.
Playing us out tonight a clip from In Time starring Justin Timberlake
in cinemas from 1st you very much for watching.
MUSIC. You are going to kill us. MUSIC. You are going to kill us.
MUSIC. You are going to kill us. What are you doing? Do you even know
What are you doing? Do you even know What are you doing? Do you even know
In this episode, Claudia and Danny review George Clooney's latest film, The Ides Of March; Justin Timberlake's sci-fi spectacular, In Time; and Anonymous, the film that asks 'Was Shakespeare a fraud?'.