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Hello and welcome to the first Film 2016 of the year.

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We'd love to hear from you, so do tweet us.

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Gosling, Bale and Pitt in credit crunch drama,

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You know you're not supposed to use this line.

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Sandra Bullock in political satire, Our Brand is Crisis.

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How far are you behind? 28 points. I'm ready for this.

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And Charlize Theron seeks out the truth in murky thriller,

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Plus, we'll take a look at award-winning martial arts epic,

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Joining me as ever is Danny Leigh and alongside us tonight

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is The Independent's critic, Ellen E Jones.

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Hello. Happy New Year Hello. Etc. And to you. And to you.

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When the US property market collapsed and threatened

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Credit crunch and collateralised debt may not make for easy viewing,

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The Big Short stars Christian Bale, Ryan Gosling and Brad Pitt.

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Michael, how are you? I found something really interesting. The

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whole housing market is propped up on these bad loans. They will fail.

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It's a time bomb. And then that happens. What is that? That's

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America's housing market. It's the story of a group of outsiders in

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Wall Street who saw what no-one else saw, which was the impending 2008

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collapse. How do you know the bonds are worthless I read them. No-one

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reads them. It's about the crash in 2008 in the United States. It's

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about a handful of people who bet against the US economy and won. It's

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like insurance, if it goes bust you can make 10-1 even 20-1 return and

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it's already slowly going busts. You were rooting for them. At the same

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time you're thinking - their win is everyone else's fail. They know that

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too. I think there's that moral dilemma that's going on inside of

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these characters. Everyone is walking around like they are in an

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Enya video. They are getting screwed. You know what they care

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about, the ball game or what actress went into rehab. Each one is a

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strange outsider character, Christian Bale, Steve Carell, Ryan

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Gosling, Brad Pitt. You guys said you wanted to get rich, now you're

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rich. I haven't seen a good debt comedy in months. This figured to be

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- at least the best one this year! How can you sleep at night knowing

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that you're ripping off working people? We made a choice to not just

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gloss over the financial terms but to really let people know what

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happened. Adam brings a unique perspective. I think he has a great

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quality of being outraged about something without losing his sense

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of humour. How did the banks let this happen? It's fuelled by

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stupidity. That's not stupidity, it's fraud. The banks acted like it

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was all so complicated. It's complicated. We'll fix it. Don't

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worry about it we are the professionals. It's not that

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complicated. They use terms to make it seem like it is. It's moving debt

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and capital around. That is all it is. The banks got greedy. I can

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profit off their stupidity. I didn't know what had happened much I didn't

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know the level of fraud and it's shocking and kind of terrifying

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while being funny at the same time. Do you smell that? What is that

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What? What is that smell. Cologne. No. Opportunity. No, money. That

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doesn't make you laugh immediately? It's fun and it's accessible. Even

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if you don't get every little part of it, it's fine because you'll

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understand the sort of over arching dilemma these guys are facing. Stop.

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Dude, talk to the director, he asked me to do this. I would never do

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this. Danny, what did you think? Funny, back in 2008 when the

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entirely global financial system was melting down around us, I can't

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claim that I sat there and thought - I know who I need to explain it is

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the director of Anchorman. He was the perfectman for job. The Big

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Short is unusual. It's wildly entertaining and does a good job

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than the media do in how we got in the mess and how many of us have

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been eating cold beans out of a tin. It's smart about a stupid moment in

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human history. It will also, as well as being very, very funny, it will

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make you furious. Hollywood, it is's interesting, Hollywood has been

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taking a bit of a beating, rightly so, I think because of what we could

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call a traditional approach to the Oscars, this is what Hollywood

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should be doing. This is where they earn its stripes. The movie is great

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and Audley important. I thought it would be impossible to do. Lots of

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us read the book. We were like - ah, they said they were turning it into

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a movie with the guy who made all of these - go what, how? Cleverley

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done. It's not just the big names that make it an Oscar contender,

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it's the format. It has fun breaking moments, the dialogue is punchy.

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There are these archive clips about pop culture. It works on lots of

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different levels. When you are watching that clip, all three of us

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weres like - we want everybody to see this film whether you are

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watching at home, everybody in here, you go - you need to see this and

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pass it on. It's one of those, isn't it? It's really smart, smart way of

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approaching it. The more crazy and slap stick it gets, the more it

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feels like it's getting to the heart of the matter what was going on in

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Wall Street and the City at that point. A giant children's party with

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a mountain of Haribo and the other side sub-prime mortgages. It's the

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Messi, manic genius of the film is identifying that. We have seen a

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smart films about the financial crisis, inside job, 99 Homes, came

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out last year. Great films, the only film about big money I have seen the

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audience whoop for was Wolf of Wall Street. He has gone in with that

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approach, a wild roller coast of a film. Because the subject matter is

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so serious, I'm ancient, I didn't find it a comedy. They say it's a

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comedy, funny? There are laughs in it because the performances are so

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good. They bring out the laughs in it. They are jarring laughs.

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Ultimately, this is a story about a situation where some people were

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laughing all the way to the bank and other people were having their lives

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destroyed. How comfortable do you feel laughings about that? That is a

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question the movie asks you about it. It is lovely it has so many

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Oscar nominations. We should talk about individual performances and

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Christian Bale. He has the hardest job of all, he has a drumstick and

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in a room by himself? Exact bely. Everyone is bouncing off each other

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and it's this comedy. Christian Bale is acting opposite a white board and

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a computer screen most of the time. I'm glad he is getting the

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recognition and I'm gladded aam McKay is getting the recognition.

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It's very difficult to make a period piece about a really recent time

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inries, 2006. We look the same. How do you do that? There is a Nokia

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phone here - Spot on. That kind of stuff that is the craft of it.

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Because this movie is completely deranged it would be easy to miss

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the craft that is going on there. Yet, it's interesting because you

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have to root for these characters who, yeah, as you say, will be, the

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rest of the world burns, they will get rich. That is fascinating about

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the film. It's not like a movie like Trading Places, you get these toxic

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old guys, everything goes back to normal. It's not rotten apples, this

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whole farm is screwed. I have one mini gripe. The most exciting female

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role is of the woman in the bath. It's not like there was no women

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involved in the book. There is a real person profile called Meredith.

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They could have done that. That was the casting. .

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Sandra Bullock stars as a burnt-out spin doctor persuaded to come back

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She is the brightest and most innovative... The best campaign

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strategist in the game. Responsible for the greatest political upset in

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history. When we fist meet Jane boat Bodine she has had to remove herself

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from the world she spent most of her life in. She's fragile. She has some

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instability issues. What are you doing here, I thought you retired or

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gave up or something? No. Not retired, working. They have a

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history. They know each other. She... It's like, here he he comes.

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I'm like, oh, good there she is. Action. Are you sure you are OK, you

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look like you're about to have a panic attack. Billy Bob is the right

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person because he can say the thanksest things and you still love

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him. That hes a a specific thing that comes with a great actor that

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has specific type of charisma. All is forgiven when he had gives you

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that Billy Bob smile. What happened to your hair? You've still got a

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great sense of humour. It's a great relationship. I love these sort of

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relationships that have just a hint of affection. I don't believe this.

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I don't believe it. That's Candy's bus. You see that bus, overtake that

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bus. How do you say overtake? How do you say overtake? Jane, what are you

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going to do when you catch up? You cannot let him get ahead. Go, go!

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Hey. She doesn't care how she gets the win as long as she wins. You're

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going down. She will use any tactic that she needs to in order to do it.

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These people are not educated. I'm sorry. "These people" why can can

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can you not say what you're supposed to say. Because I'm not just a

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puppet? Of course you are. Of course you're a puppet. We're just pawns. I

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wanted to make sure that the movie that deals with politics, that deals

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with poverty, that deals with some difficult subject matter is

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approached with a respectful wit. If you fight with monsters for too

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long, you become a monster. You should feel something during the

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interview, tears. Look at him. This is it. Yes. Oh... You know there are

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so many films that fit so cleanly into a genre, but this one here,

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it's like - you have a story that is at its heart dramatic and yet it's

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very funny. Everyone... I'm guess if you had to you would say it's a

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comedy drama about the world of political consultants. Oh. No, no,

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Marco! It's like he killed himself rather than be in one of our

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commercials. I start off by saying that basically I'm looking for

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Sandra Bullock in most films. It could be a documentary. There is

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somebody who looks like Sandy? So were the producers of this film her

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character is Inamoto vented for the film much. You can tell that. She

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has quirks that only exist in movie characters. Stuffs crisps in her

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mouth and obsession with ceramics. Somebody in the immediate meeting

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said - maybe I should just eat - no, don't that.

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It is just a random collection of character traits that don't really

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belong to a real person. And there is some slapstick, almost like Miss

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Congeniality. They are just waving around for 20 minutes at one point,

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and you don't see what the point of that is in the context of the film.

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She is a blessing and a curse, Sandra Bullock. She is so intensely

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likeable, you forget George Clooney who produced this film. You can't

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help rooting for her. So that puts this really intriguing spin on that

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by having her as this amoral black-hearted spin doctor, and then

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the film loses its nerve, and I don't know if that is down to her or

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the film, but she has to have redemption, so punches get pulled,

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and it all ends up feeling touchy-feely. There is a time for

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that, but this wasn't it. Christmas! Exactly. Her comic timing is

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fantastic, whether she is coaxing a suicidal llama onto screen or being

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sick in a bin, but you wish the film had messed with our expectations a

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bit more. She should either have been funnier or darker. And

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everything we know about spin doctors getting terrible people into

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power, it makes you want to watch Wag the Dog. But it doesn't delve

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into that enough. They decided to make it a story of personal rivalry

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between Sandra Bullock and Billy Bob Thornton. The script isn't funny

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enough to make that work on that level, and it means we are omitting

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deeper global political things that they touched on just enough to make

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us curious, but doesn't follow through. Yes, it doesn't feel like

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it deals with anything. Billy Bob Thornton is good fun as well, his

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tongue could flick out and catch a fly on the wall at any moment, but

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they are not interested in that really, so this film has space to

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fill, see you have scenes where they think, we have ten minutes, what

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will we do? Bus chase! And it ends with Sandra Bullock mooning out of

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the bus window, and some people will like that. Wag the Dog is an

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interesting comparison, but it doesn't have that edge, or even the

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edge of something like the Big Short. People this week in what

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Donald Trump ongoing campaign, and that is a lot darker and more

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frightening than anything you will see in this film. You are totally

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right, they should have pushed it more.

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A hit at the Cannes Film Festival last year, Taiwanese historical epic

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The Assassin follows a female killer hired to kill

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She is amazing, the main actress, I could just watch her. I sort of fell

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in love with this. Did you? I am a real admirer of The Assassin, but I

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think people and do need to be aware that it is a film that very much

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moves at its own pace. It is gorgeous and hypnotic and very slow.

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It is cinematic and ravishing and very slow. Jackie Chan would have

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been in, cleaned out the bad guys, gone home, had his tea, died, been

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reincarnated, all while we watch one scene. It sounds lazy for critics to

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talk about things being beautiful, but it is not the kind of beauty you

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see everyday. Action scenes are few and far between, and when they come,

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they are fleeting but exquisite. It is not even certain who has lost

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until the moment a body hits the floor, and everything is so quiet,

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you just hear word song and drums. It is a powerful piece of

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film-making. After the two films we have just talked about, it is a

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world of, quite long, world of silence. I have to disagree with

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both of you. The polite word I know is contemplative, but I think it is

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just very boring. The landscapes are beautiful, but I could have done

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with a few more close-ups of people's faces, and I know that is a

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decision the director has made, but the option it is -- the upshot is

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you can't work out what is going on. It has interesting characters like

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the vengeful kung fu none, because it sounds like something Quentin

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Tarantino would come up with, but she doesn't get involved in many

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scenes. -- nun. The problem is people will come to this wanting the

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Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon experience, and don't go expecting

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that. And that was action, that is all I remember about it, and speed.

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This is not that. It is not that, and meditative is the other word,

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that is a very personal reaction to it, but it does have still, I'm

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moving scenes sometimes, and this is where I might lapse into sounding

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unhinged, but when you have the ancient Chinese landscape, these

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incredibly grand interiors, after a while, you find yourself almost

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getting sucked into them, and sitting there thinking I am part of

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this now, in the fine silks and the robes and fake beards. And the

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lacquered wood. But it is sumptuous. Hollywood calls that immersive, that

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you are being drawn in. It did make me think that this is probably a lot

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more like what life was like in 19th-century China than any of the

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other films we have seen, but the problem is the answer is quite

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boring. When they invent time machines, I won't go back there, I

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will stick with ancient Rome. It is with the people who will see that on

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the telly, because this is something you should really see on the big

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screen, and that is a division treasured itself. The Big Short is

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something that you could watch from three seats away on summary's phone

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with a cracked screen, and you would still get the gist. I wouldn't have

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been sucked in. If there had been that speed to it, I might have

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wanted more action, but because pretty early on you go, this is

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going to be quite a long piece about miss... -- mist.

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Next, psychological thriller Dark Places.

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While investigating the murder of her family, Charlize Theron

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is forced to confront traumatic childhood memories.

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Since I was seven, I had only seen flashes of Ben, like some evil

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entity in the haunted house. But I had forgotten there was once just

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Ben, my brother. You meet with this woman, damaged, and the reason she

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is like that is because when she was eight years old, she was the only

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witness to the mass murder of her family.

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And as the only which, her testimony sent her brother to jail. Here comes

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my little sister after all these years. He is a freak. Just go into

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his room, he has all sorts of weird stuff. She testified in court that

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she saw her brother commit the murders, which kind of throughout

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this story you start to realise it may have been misleading her, they

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might have coached to get the answers they wanted out of her. It

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was Ben. He killed them, right? 25 years later, she is contacted by

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this weird organisation of geeks and weirdos obsessed with famous

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murderers. And despite a startling lack of physical evidence, he was

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convicted based largely on rumours that he was involved in devil

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worship. These people want to re-evaluate the crime, and she needs

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money so badly, she is going to get paid to reinvestigate her own life.

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Who do you think did it? There are lots of theories. It's devil

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worship. I'm ready for this. It is like a lot of different things. It

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has a lot of layers. There is a very strong plot, very strong characters.

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It is pulpy bit elevated at the same time, so that is what attracted me.

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It is time to tell the truth. I'm sad for you, little girl. You are

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just as imprisoned as I am all stop so, brilliant actors, Nicholas

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Hoult, who is always fantastic. You have a very interesting book

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written by the same woman who wrote gone girl, so this should be raped.

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Yes, I think everybody was hoping for another Gone Girl. But where

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they went wrong was the adaptation of the book to the screen. There is

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this splits timeline, and we go back and forth between when the crime was

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originally committed and the present day, and that makes us lose

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momentum. And there is a weird relationship between Charlize

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Theron's character and the rest of the film. You are totally right,

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just as you said that, she is slightly distant. It seems very

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still. And Gobble had that kind of playfulness, and partly because of

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what this film is about, it touches on this greenback history, it can't

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be fun. -- Goggle had that playfulness. This is the sullen

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teenage Goth's answer to Gone Girl. I wonder if they filmed this before

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or after Mad Max, but it is almost like they shared a set going to the

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next set. Chloe Rees Brett came out with a good performance on this

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film, and it is a great bridge between being a child actress and an

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adult actress. There are problems with it from the word go, but it is

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a botched job. The director has butterfingers here. These different

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timelines, you have to much plot altogether, and then timelines 30

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years apart, and sometimes that involves... And sometimes characters

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disappear. And different characters come on screen, and they little

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physical resemblance, you can't tell who is who, in sometimes it is the

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same actor with talcum powder in their beer to signify they are

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older, and Charlize Theron chuntering on in the voice-over.

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Nicholas Hoult does the best of a bad job, and Christina Hendricks

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needs to fire her agent. She needs to have a female agent.

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It has got to be The Big Short. I like the Assassin, but yes, it has

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to be. And if Room is playing anywhere near

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you, I say this all the time, go and see it!

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Playing us out tonight is one of the late, great Alan Rickman's

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last films, military thriller Eye in the Sky.

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Released in April, Rickman and Helen Mirren star as military

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top brass in a world of drone warfare.

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We have information they will be in Nairobi today. We need an eye inside

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that house. Well, this changes things. It is

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happening. We can see a suicide vest. We need to put something

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through that roof right now. We need a decision, Minister, right now. We

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need clearance from the PM. What is that? A child.

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Those men are about to disperse. Engage now. I will not release until

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this girl gets out of the way. We have a situation that could result

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in massive loss of life in minute s.

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