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Thanks for staying up to talk movies.

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This week we're mainly talking the thinking woman's

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Fight Club? Thelma and Louise?

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Or my personal favourite, Benjamin Button.

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Let us know, the details are on the screen now.

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Passion and patriotism. David Oyelowo and Rosamund Pike star in A

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United Kingdom. And poetry, public transport and Adam Driver in

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Paterson. Just don't call it dull. Boredom is a good thing.

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Plus, it's that magic moment, our first Christmas film of the season.

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Billy Bob Thornton stars in Bad Santa Two.

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Joining me on the sofa is festive favourite Rihanna Dhillon

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Hello both of you. Hi. Break a leg! I will try to.

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Kicking us off this week is director Amma Asante's A United Kingdom.

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The story of a Botswanan Prince who caused some stiff upper lips

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to quiver in the late 1940s when he married a white

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The persecuted lovers are played by David Oyelowo and Rosamund Pike.

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My father, he wouldn't approve. I am just two streets away. Can we could

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this again? I mean, meet. Is that too forward of me? No. What? Queen

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Victoria, the men who negotiated for her protection. He was my

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grandfather, a King. I am his heir. Oh! I see. I play Seretse Khama, he

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was the heir to the throne of Botswana. While studying in London

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he meets and false in love with Ruth Williams and their marriage which is

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an interracial one, causes a diplomatic earthquake with South

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Africa, Botswana and the United Kingdom. If you choose to marry the

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leader of an African nation you will be responsible for the downfall of

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the British empire in Africa. Have you no shame? For me it was always

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important when I came on board this couldn't just be a love story. This

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had to be a love story that involved politics because there are people

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out there that view interracial relationships as a political

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statement. So to ignore that would have been foolhardy, independenting.

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Also any politics that you saw should come through the prism of the

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couple's love. Are you insane? White, British. I think the reason

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we don't know about this story is because at the centre is a black

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protagonist and I think history is told by the victors and if a lot of

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the people telling stories don't look like Seretse Khama they're not

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interested. We have concluded you should be exiled. I belong with my

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people. As someone of African descent myself, someone who has

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loved period dramas growing up and never saw anyone like me in them,

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when I saw the cover of that book, I thought, eureka, there it is, a

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story I would want to see as an audience member let alone to be in

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as an actor. I am told you no longer wish for me to honour my duty as a

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King because of the colour of the wife I have chosen. These are

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stories of my wild, they're stories that interest me, they pull together

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themes that have impacted my life so it feels very natural. I feel that

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we are very young in our story-telling journey as people of

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colour and directors who are putting characters of colour at the centre

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of their own stories. But there is a naturalness to what I do and I think

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that's important. I am ready to serve you because I love my people!

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I love this land! But I love my wife!

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Oh, stirring stuff! Danny, was this really a story that was begging to

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be told? I think it absolutely was. It's a great untold story and those

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are very rare. Maybe in the telling of the story it feels sturdy and

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cosy but I don't care because the story is anything but cosy. The

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story is electric. It has to feel like Sunday night TV to reach the

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kind of numbers of people who watch Sunday night TV, I am totally fine

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with that, I admire this film hugely. It's hand some, it's a smart

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movie: I urge people to see it. Don't you think there is a reason

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why it was untold? I think the director sort of specialises in

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these stories, she sort of digs up and actually I am not entirely sure

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if it's sort of, it will make any difference this film, what do you

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think? Well, I think, you know, you talked about Asante's past films,

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one of a woman of mixed heritage and dual heritage and seeing a role

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model like that in period dress was so wonderful. I had grown up

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watching all white period dramas and loving them and wishing I could be

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in them and to see a film like that I was thankful it was brought to our

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scenes. So, I think the same is true for A United Kingdom. It doesn't

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necessarily feel relevant in the way that it is however many years old.

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Did you really feel you identified with somebody who married - who was

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in Kenwood House? I think people who are, you know, my age now would have

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been the children of those parents. I think that's really fascinating.

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It's not that far off history. I think it is definitely relevant. We

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don't see that many stories like that on our screens. Does it bother

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you at all that actually the story was told in an incredibly route one,

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incredibly beNiall way. It was structured like a rom-com. There was

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a great emphasis applied to the fact, why would she marry him? Why

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would she risk everything? She's rejected by her family. People sort

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of attack them on the street. I think why would he marry her, she's

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really boring? She is a really smart working woman at a time where there

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weren't a huge amount... No evidence for that, but. It was 1947. There

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was no evidence she was really smart. The point is she's ordinary.

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She's involved in the jazz scene, has a job, out there, clearly

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interested in different cultures which wasn't a given in 1947 in

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England. Absolutely why would you not make a film about this love

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story? It changes history. I don't know, maybe it's different. My

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school I didn't learn about a story like this which changed the world,

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genuinely, all the cliches we pick up from movies about true love

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changing the world that happened with this one. It's fascinating we

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are talking about love, this is a political drama more than I think

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it's a love story. I think it's a shame that Rosamund Pike is

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sidelined a lot in this film. Obviously we know... The only person

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who isn't sidelined is him. It's mostly an opportunity for him to get

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up and do his civil rights voice, I am afraid. He is excellent at doing

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that. It would have been great to see Rosamund Pike doing something of

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the same. She's sidelined to these wry smiles. Don't you think in 2016

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also there's something, you talk about relevance of the film, do you

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not think we are supposed to be - you take a film that says actually,

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the British Empire wasn't all good news for everyone. Even Churchill

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wasn't a saint. That seems like a radical message. I agree there, the

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way the civil servants are portrayed are ridiculous. Jack Davenport, have

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you no shame? Who says that in a proper movie? Obviously the

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apartheid wasn't something the film made up. This existed. I think

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they've really nailed those attitudes. I think it's important

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that we don't forget how culpable we were. It gets the history right.

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Thank you. Yes, no, maybe.

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Next is Back To The Future director Robert Zemeckis with Allied -

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a wartime thriller starring Brad Pitt and Marion Cotillard.

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The tasty twosome find love as undercover spies behind Nazi lines.

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But can their love survive back home?

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Being good at this kind of work is not very beautiful. After the war do

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you have a place? When the war is over what matters where imI am. It's

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a love story, but it begins with two people who don't know each other.

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Both of them are spies. They meet on a mission in North Africa during

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World War II. They're going to fall in love and obviously in this

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atmosphere of war it won't be that easy.

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There's no easy way to say what we are about to say. We suspect your

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wife is a German spy. That's insane. If you are right all this will be

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forgotten. But if she is you execute her with your own hand. If you do

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not comply you will be hack hanged. We weren't paying homage to any

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specific film of the past although what was very obvious when I read

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the screenplay from the first moment, that was the main

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inspiration and then all the departments kind of felt that and

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guided us to the style of this film. I was fascinated by American movies

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from the 40s and the 50s when I was a kid. So, of course I was inspired

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by this very special rhythm, this special energy and I was fascinated

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by all those actresses. The first actresses who fascinated me actually

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were actresses from this era. You were different with me last night.

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Different? Like you were angry. As the conflict in the world starts

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closing in on our characters, our feeling was that the whole design of

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the film should start closing in, as well. The film should start closing

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claustrophobic as the plot thickens. So we are talking lovely sets,

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beautiful drapings, a lot of clothes. Is it sort of Allied or

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Allied Carpets? Just to clarify, did you say sets or sex? But we could

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talk about the sex if you like. The sets are beautiful. It's gorgeous,

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set in Casablanca, harks back to one of the most beautiful movies. There

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is a great scene where they climb into a car in the middle of a sand

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storm and get it on. I thought that was incredibly hot. Didn't you think

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the fact she climbed over him while trying to remove her 40s underwear

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made her look like a fat tourist trying to sit on a camel, that's

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what I thought? They're not teenagers, to - I think it kind of,

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you know, the problem with this film is that everything hasn't quite been

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thought through. There are amazing set pieces but they don't really

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come together. I don't know if you thought that, Danny? The problem is

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it's very camp but it really doesn't want to be. It works very hard not

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to be camp, Brad Pitt is taking this very seriously. Quickly into the

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film you have a throttling in a Phonebooth and blood on the marble

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staircase. We are on the brink of show tunes at any given moment. Do

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you think Brad's capable of doing a romantic lead? I thought I am not

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sure this is his thing. The issue is that he is confusing gravitas. He is

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a man of a certain age, he is confusing that with not moving your

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face. That may not be deliberate, I don't know. It is Benjamin Button. I

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thought Marion Cottillard was doing more of the work. She outclassed him

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so much. They're both completely hostage to the costume department.

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They're running this entire movie. They're used like dress-up dolls

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from scene to scene and both of them have the look of, you know if you

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see a little dog that's been done up with the little booties and looks

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miserable and ashamed. That's Brad and Marion in this movie. It was

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like how to kill the German ambassador through linen alone. All

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they thought about was the outfits. He ought to be a good director and I

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don't understand how this project spun out of control. He makes fun

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films and entertaining films that are slick and stylish. Allied,

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perhaps it doesn't have as much substance as it should. For example,

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Marion's character gives birth during the blitz and they manage to

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make it look romantic and exciting. You would be absolutely terrified

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and probably miscarry I think at that point. I like that scene. The

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script write certificate a good writer and when he goes for this,

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these big moments, so sufficient the sex scene in the sand storm and the

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giving birth, those work. Those are moments you think it works.

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Especially with her shrieking through the blitz and she was meant

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to give birth that you never believe they've had together because there

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is zero chemistry. I thought, I mean, it's not like they've even met

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each other before. I think it was what was lovely, when she kind of

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comes up to him on the roof and they have to be play agenting and it's

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like a fantasy because they haven't met before and they're having to

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build this relationship from scrap. I think it's a great idea on film.

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That's a lovely scripted moment. I mean, it's bringing me out in hives

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to agree with you, but you are right. We can't agree!

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You loved this film? It is really entertaining and it will bring

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people out of their homes and that is a good thing. There were some

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very deft classic, but there was a lot of camp touch. A tweet from

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Michelle says, I think the first time I noticed him was in Thelma and

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Louise and he made quite an he did. Sean Griffiths says Jesse James. Not

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only is the film a masterpiece, Brad Pitt's performance is a masterclass

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in understated menace. I would not go as far as that. I did not expect

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him to be funny after he gave a goofy smile I was laughing louder

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than Brian Blessed that. I totally agree, I would say it was

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my favourite performance in Burn After Reading. What is your

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favourite moment? Fight club because he is dark in that, but oceans 11.

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What about you? 12 Monkeys. He is doing something with his hands all

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the time where is at the moment he is statuesque and slightly weird.

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Next Adam Driver stars as a New Jersey bus driver and

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part-time poet in Jim Jarmusch's Paterson.

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When you are a child you learn there are three dimensions, height, width

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and depth, like a shoe box. Later you hear there is a fourth

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dimension, time. Paterson is about a guy named Paterson who lives in

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Paterson, New Jersey, who drives a bus. Is your name Paterson or did

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they just give you that? My real name is Paterson. He is a bus

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driver, but he also happens to be a poet, or you could say the opposite,

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that he is a poet but he happens to be a bus driver. Your poetry is

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really good and some day you might let the world read it. I mean it,

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you are a great poet. It is not a story with a lot of conflict, it is

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the exact opposite. My wife wants me to take her to Florida, but I am

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behind the mortgage payments, my uncle is coming from India and I

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need money for the wedding and I have a rash on my back. How about

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you? I am OK. I had to learn how to park a bus in Queens and that tests

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your patience. I have a situation. It could have exploded into a

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fireball. Oh, Danny. Snog, married or avoid? I am not answering that.

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It is a very Jim Jarmusch movie and it is deadpan and deliberate and

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sometimes that charms me and it drives me up the wall sometimes.

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Here it works. It has the slightly adolescent quality, it wants to show

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you its book collection and its record collection. Is it needy? Yes,

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but what elevates it is the perfect casting. He takes this conceit, this

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idea of a character and he makes him seem real. I am still a little bit

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torn about Jim Jarmusch, but I am a major fan of Adam Driver. A minor

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crash. A little bit. He has got a fabulous face, I could watch it all

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day. You do not necessarily want to have sex with him to see him more on

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screen. I am glad we have reached that point very fast. Did you find

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this film seductive or blind? I did not find it bland at all. It looks

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into your eyes. I think Adam Driver is spectacular, but also his

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on-screen girlfriend who is quirky and makes cupcakes. She was so

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irritating and so annoying and I could not take her seriously when

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she said, I love your poetry. The poetry is naff and that is part of

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the charm. I loved the poetry. But it got better and better and towards

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the end you could see it being published. But the fact that she

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believed in him, your poems should be published, and you really

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believed in the couple. Did you like him because he was a sort of folk

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hero, he has a modest job, he writes poetry by water balls? I want to go

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back to the quirkiness. A bit of a weakness with Jim Jarmusch movies

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means he is focused on the girlfriend character, unfortunately.

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But when he comes home and he has had a terrible day at work and the

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bus has collapsed and she says, is there anything I can do for you? He

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does not say, I want you to play a song on the acoustic guitar. The

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movie allows something else to happen and it is quirky. Jim

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Jarmusch is aware. I do not think that is a problem. I think it is

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interesting, New Jersey, backwater type fields here. Jim Jarmusch is

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older than me with an elaborate pompadour quiff and he still needs

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to show us that he has read certain novels, mannered is the word. I

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think it was taking the Mickey and it was very tongue in cheek. Do you?

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Yes, and it was inclusive and it was a very multicultural film and it was

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not rammed down your throat and back is very important. It is nice to see

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a movie that is not even remotely offensive, you can drive a bus and

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write poetry as well, and there is nothing remotely conflict in with

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that. That nothing happens in this movie. Yes, I agree. Most people

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might die of boredom. Sorry. Maybe they have done tonight.

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Bust open the baubles and ready the whisky,

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it's the first Christmas film of the season.

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Don't get too excited, though, as this particular man in red

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is the last guy on earth you'd want to be ho-ho-ho-ing

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Billy Bob Thornton stars in Bad Santa 2.

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Be prepared for some fruity language. Merry Christmas,

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disturbing children. Come on you Dick heads. Well, you still hit like

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your daddy. Eat me. You do not trust your mum? I trust her about as far

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as I can throw you. I didn't even know you had a mum. Has this just

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hatched? I travel across the country for charities. Have you got a

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problem with that? Downright I have a problem with that. No way have

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these guys got 2 million bucks. You have got smaller. Have you got a

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problem with that? You need a hug. Let go of me. It feels like

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Christmas. You are both miserable. When you do not have a family, you

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have to have a new one. I am going to tear all my clothes off and say I

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really enjoyed this film. I thought it was really funny, it was better

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than the last one. The last one was well received and I thought the

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script was great and Cathy Bates was the gangster granny. I did enjoy it

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and I will say that, but you will disagree with me. I agree, I think

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it is better than the last one, but that is not saying much. But it is

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very unsavoury. I unsavoury? It did not feel like any of the actors

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wanted to be there and it was a slog for them to be in the movie and a

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slog for us to watch. It was difficult to tell because his

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character is meant to be unenthusiastic. Except when he is

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getting lucky with a lady. That is what is weird about the movie

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because this guy wets himself and vomit on himself and all these

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incredible women want to... Is that rude? I thought the Christina

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Hendricks character came out and they had this sort of thing and she

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is suddenly dropping her pounds and he is screwing her up against a

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wheelie bin. We have all been there. What did you make of it? I think the

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original in its wake is a great movie and is not. If you are going

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to do a cheap and nasty character 13 years later so Billy Bob Thornton

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can buy whatever he wants with his salary, if you are going to do that,

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make it really terrible. Make it the spirit of the original and make it a

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terrible movie. It is half funny and they throw so many jokes at you, but

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by a lot of average some of it works. It is a bit of a commercial

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enterprise and you understand that people like Octavia Spencer who has

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an Oscar is going to return as a prostitute. Maybe there was a

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terrible clause in her original contract. The women do badly out of

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this. She does badly out of it and Christina Hendricks has to hire a

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new agent or something. Cathy Bates, it is about the fact she is a little

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larger. I think there are some brilliant monologues. The one where

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he tries to tell the child, the 21-year-old character, how to have

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sex is absolutely hilarious. It is sure-fire funny, ridiculous,

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disgusting. I think, Danny, you are grossed out by how disgusting it is

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and you cannot take it. Is that what it is? You may well be right. You

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have rolled over. You are right, I think moment is the best character

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and he is very sweet. I wish they would find more for him to do in it.

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I have seen the sweet side before in the film Elf. Well, I really enjoyed

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it. Decision time, what is your film of the week? Allied was a lot of fun

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and entertaining and slick and Brad Pitt is still fit. Danny? I, Daniel

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Blake, which is still on. It is one of the most inspiring films from one

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of the greatest directors Britain has ever produced. I would urge

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people to see it again and again. I liked bad Santa two.

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Next week it's Have I Got Views For You Paul Merton at the helm.

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But for now, we'll leave you with an early look

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at Kong: Skull Island, starring Brie Larson

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and Tom Hiddleston, due out next year.

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These are photos of an island in the South Pacific. We will use explosive

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to shake the earth, help us to map the surface of the island. You are

:28:23.:28:28.

dropping bombs. Scientific instruments. Is that a monkey?

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She pretty, Reg? Hard to say from this angle.

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Well, you keep your hands to yourself.

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Don't you worry, I've done this before.

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