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Hello and welcome to another Arts Show, our monthly guide to | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
what's being made, seen and talked about in arts and entertainment. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
We've a packed show, here's what's coming up. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Cyprus Avenue is the new shockingly violent | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
black comedy from playwright David Ireland. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
Starring Stephen Rea as a disaffected Loyalist, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
it has just opened at Dublin's Abbey Theatre. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
The Arts Show was there. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
His debut feature film, The Survivalist, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
was nominated for a BAFTA. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
We talk to its writer and director, local man Stephen Fingleton. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
The world as we rarely see it. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
We visit an exhibition of extraordinary scientific | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
images as art in Derry/Londonderry. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
And there's live jazz from the MAC Theatre's current | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Artist in Residence, David Lyttle. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
I'm tweeting now... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
But first, Secretary of State Theresa Villiers said earlier | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
this month that she believes that we are closer than ever before | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
to finding a way forward in dealing with our troubled past. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
So it seems timely that today sees the cinema release | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
of The Truth Commissioner based on David Park's 2008 | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
political thriller, which sees a fictional body set up here | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
based on the South African Truth and Reconciliation model. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
The coming months will tell | 0:01:44 | 0:01:45 | |
whether Northern Ireland is ready to face the truth about its past | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
or whether the past is too present to contemplate. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
The film will be broadcast on BBC One Northern Ireland next month. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
We sent three commentators to review and discuss | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
whether such a commission could really happen here. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
No-one's asking anyone to forget. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
We try to get at the truth. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
After that, people make up their own minds, make their own futures, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
hopefully for the better. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Well, I suppose what I was looking at it from | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
my reporting perspective. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
What interested me most in the film | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
were the plays offstage, if you like. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
The big efforts to conceal truth. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
Even when people think they have truth, they haven't. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
I started watching it thinking, you know, this is a bit far-fetched. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
You know? Where are we going here? | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
But I have to say that it certainly was compulsive viewing. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
I had to watch it to the end. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
As far as the whole issue of truth, et cetera, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
it certainly showed the very dark underbelly. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
Nobody came out with their hands clean. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Everyone was tarred with the brush, if you like, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
of secrets and conspiracy. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
I approach this from two perspectives. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
One was, what would a truth commission look like? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
What would it achieve? I wanted to see how accurate | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
or otherwise that might be. The second thing was that | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
I wanted to see what it was like as a drama. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
And I have to confess, I was disappointed in both. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
I think if you were going to base a truth commission on what | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
is in this, you wouldn't go down that road. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
I would advise people to do something else. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Still bringing the truth to unbelievers, Henry? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Why am I not surprised to see you here? | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
I see you've befriended Gunman Of The Year 1990. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
They tell me he's travelled a long way since then. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
What do you hope an audience to take from The Truth Commissioner? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
I think what they'll take from it is the complexity of the situation | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
up here. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
You know, I think that's what drew me to the story, both the book | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
and then to Eoin's adaptation. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
When you read David's book, Eoin, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
what was it that grabbed you about it? | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
It was quite daring in its proposition. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
It's as what we know to be a case, which is that, in fact, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
it's more complicated than it seems, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
people are not as obvious as they seem. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
Given a chance, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:01 | |
people might do better than they appear to do in everyday life. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
And it got us out of | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
the whataboutery, which is the curse of this place, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
into something more interesting as an argument. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
-He was only a kid. -He was there. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
And all his people are dead. He can accept responsibility | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
and go back to the States as if nothing had happened. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
Neither you nor I can do that. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
While I don't think the truth commission as set out in this | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
film is what a truth process will look like, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
if it ever comes to that point... I think Park | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
talked about in the novel - | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
pre-learned vague statements of regret. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
And I think, by and large, that's what we saw in the film. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
I was a soldier fighting in a war. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
At that time I felt the victim represented a legitimate | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
target in that war. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
The simple, "Tell me the truth or not at all," | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
isn't going to happen. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
Absolutely, it's so much more and so much more complex, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
it isn't just truth, it's about understanding, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
it's about justice, it's about so much more. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
People sharing futures and all of that. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
I think we will not get to further information or further | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
explanation or truth, if you want to call it that, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
while there is still | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
the possibility within the process of people being investigated. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
So until we get over that jump, I think we're | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
a million miles away from a truth commission. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
And who speaks for the victims and the rest? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Well, I think that's the thing, I think | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
that's the thing that maybe I didn't really | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
get enough of in this, in a way. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
That would be regrettable if those voices weren't heard. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
-How are you going to survive these people? -They don't look so bad. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
Don't go lifting stones, unless you know what's underneath them. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
-Is that a message? -Yes. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Unless you still want to be here in 2020, narrow the brief. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Roger, we know you, having played political figures before, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
The Thick Of It, you were in Michael Frayn's Democracy... | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
But when you are bringing it to a process that is still happening, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
does that give you an extra charge as an actor? | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
Well, it's not something that you're necessarily aware of | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
when you're shooting a scene | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
but all the time, you're kind of... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
I'm aware of it in my head. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
I think the telling of this story | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
and the telling of many stories about Northern Ireland, that may be | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
one of the ways in which the truth | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
or the various truths will be aired. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Was this your idea? | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
I've been instructed to protect you to make sure the right | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
things are said. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
-You mean you're protecting yourself... -Francis... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
Keep your voice down. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
It feels that it's a very grown-up, political drama. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
As an actor and as someone from here, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
is that the kind of Belfast that you want reflected further afield? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
I think it's important to remember that it's fiction | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
and so this is a what-if scenario. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
So what if hawks did get in with the peacemakers and the doves? | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
What if there was someone in there who was deliberately trying | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
to undermine the whole process? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
You're not planning some kind of a putsch, are you, Johnny? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
All I'm trying to do is to keep your name out of it. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
You cannot appear before that commission. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
Just admitting you were there would be the end of you. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
The end of all of us. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
There are people still alive for whom the Troubles were very real. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
Did you feel an added pressure because of this, Eoin? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
Yeah, we did. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
Because again, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:27 | |
the question as to what closure is is very key to the book. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
I mean, is closure a nonsense? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
The idea of it, is it an illusion? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
Or is it something that we should strive to give people? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
And there are people out there who are suffering. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
The book isn't about them in particular | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
but there's no doubt that we try to acknowledge their existence | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
and answer some of the questions as to...how can we proceed? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:55 | |
I deeply regret the pain and suffering caused to his family. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
What's good about this, at the very least, is it shows on screen | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
what it could look like | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
and it starts the debate as to what it should or shouldn't look like. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
And that's a very, very valuable and very, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
very topical point of departure. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
I think the big conversation that needs to be had is what is | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
realistically achievable but also an honesty about what is not doable. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
I used the term recently that it's time to stop lying about the truth | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
and what I mean is it's time to be more honest about what is disclosed. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
So I think the film, in all of its drama, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
has possibly delivered an ugly truth. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
That what people are looking for is just not achievable. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
Yeah, and I think | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
what a commission of this kind will do is open things up in a way | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
that hasn't been done before, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
it is to be hoped, but it certainly won't bring anything to an end. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
Have you anything else to add? | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
No. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
Thank you. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
You don't usually get science on The Arts Show | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
but an exhibition of extraordinary images opened in Derry this month, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
as part of the Northern Ireland Science Festival. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
The Royal Photographic Society's | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
International Images For Science exhibition | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
celebrates the interplay between art and science. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
Many of these photos provide a fascinating glimpse into our world | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
as we rarely see it, producing unlikely works of art. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
What we're looking at here is actually a section through | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
the stem of a palm plant | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
and this is where water is transported up through | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
the stems towards the leaves. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Science provides a quite astonishing wealth of | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
subject matter for photography. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
What we have here is a photograph of some soap bubbles | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
and the colours come from interference patterns through | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
the different thicknesses of the soap bubble | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
and it forms a beautiful array of colour. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Anyone can look at a great picture and think, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
"Wow, I wonder what that is." | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
Here we have a piece of polystyrene that is seen through | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
a scanning electron microscope and this was made by freezing | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
the sample and then breaking it so it forms a very sharp edge. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
So you can see all the small pockets of air. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
A very wide range of people have taken the pictures that we see here. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
They range from schoolchildren through to senior researchers | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
working with very expensive equipment in very, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
very expensive labs. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
The only exhibitor from Northern Ireland is bioscientist | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
Dr Steven Lowry. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
This is a thin section of a hen's tongue, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
which has been stained to show up blood vessels | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
and then additional colours added by using polarising and gypsum filters. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
I've been collecting old microscope slides for quite a long time now | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
and this was among the slides which | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
I've brought in as part of my collection. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
I used to take photographs for a living, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
I now take them for pleasure. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
Some very common household objects can produce amazing photographs. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Substances like sugar, which are in pure crystalline form, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
can produce really interesting shapes and structures | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
when you look at them under the microscope. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
When wine is stored, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
tiny little crystals of potassium bitartrate form in the wine | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
and these produce lovely images. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
One of the foliage plants which you may have in the garden is | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
a thing called Elaeagnus. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
And if you look closely at the leaves of the plant, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
you'll see tiny little silver hairs | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
and these produce amazing patterns when you look at them | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
under the microscope. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
It's a celebration of the way photography | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
and science work together... | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
..as works of art. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
They have a beauty, they engage, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
they capture your imagination and your sight even without | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
knowing anything necessarily about why they were created. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Writing a black comedy about a disaffected East Belfast Loyalist | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
who believes that his five-week old granddaughter is Gerry Adams, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
is trademark David Ireland humour. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Stephen Rea plays Eric Miller in Cyprus Avenue | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
and takes one man's identity crisis to the limits. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
Aren't you the best baby in Belfast? Aren't you? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
The best wee baby in the whole of Belfast. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Well, we don't know that. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
-What? -It's not very scientific. -What are you talking about? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
We don't know that this is the best baby in Belfast. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
There might be better babies. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
What way is that talk about your own granddaughter - "better babies"? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
The central idea of the play - about this man, Eric Miller, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
who thinks that... | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
He's positive his granddaughter looks like Gerry Adams | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
and then that she IS Gerry Adams. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
It's an incredible kind of potent, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
kind of extraordinary, imaginative and mad idea. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
This baby is the most gorgeous, cutest baby in the whole wide world. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:52 | |
-I doubt it. -What? -Nothing. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
I think David is one of the... | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
Is emerging as one of the finest writers in the English language. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
And that's a big thing to say but I think he's extraordinary | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
and he does this extraordinary mixture of kind of high humour, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
very, very black humour that he is becoming known for. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
What is wrong with you? What is actually wrong with you? | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
-Mum, he's just joking. -I'm not. -He's not joking. -I'm really not. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
I can't write a normal play. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
I've tried to and every time I try to write a normal play | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
it always blows up in my face, so... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
I seem to be drawn to ideas that | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
other people consider bizarre. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
-So in what way did... Her name again? -Mary Mae. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
In what way did Mary Mae, your granddaughter, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
in what way did she, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
could she closely resemble a man 60 years her senior? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
-Round about the eyes. -Her eyes? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Have you ever heard the expression, "Fenian eyes"? | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
No. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:48 | |
Very Fenian-looking, especially round the eyes. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
There is this fundamental question about what it is like to be | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
a Protestant in the post-Troubles Northern Ireland. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Is that what you're getting at with this play? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
I think in a lot of Irish fiction and drama, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
the Loyalist case or the Loyalist identity is something that is | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
not taken, you know, very seriously. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Not that this play particularly takes it seriously | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
but it's very complicated, you know, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
and I wanted to write a play that would reflect that. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
-Are you familiar with the song When Irish Eyes Are Smiling? -No. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
# When Irish eyes are smiling | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
# Sure, the world smiles with them too... # | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
They have all the songs. Our songs are pitiful alongside theirs. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
Most rebel songs are sentimental and self-serving but not that one, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
that one is true. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
A Protestant's eyes never smile | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
unless it's absolutely necessary. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
But Irish eyes are forever smiling. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
That's how you tell the difference. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
The Irish smile as they kill and, as they destroy, they sing. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:01 | |
MUSIC: Cyprus Avenue by Van Morrison | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
# Well, I'm caught one more time | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
# Up on Cyprus Avenue... # | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
People who know Cyprus Avenue know it's a very well-heeled, tree-lined | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
middle-class boulevard. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
It's not the place that you would immediately associate with | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
dysfunctional Loyalism. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
He's taking this relatively middle-class man, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
a Protestant, obviously, but a middle-class man who, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
at this moment in his life, goes into some kind of psychosis | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
and as a result of that, the victims of his self-loathing | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
are his closest family, all of whom are women. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
You never had any interest in babies anyway. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
-Even when you were born, he didn't care. -That's not true, is it Dad? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
Oh, that is true. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:44 | |
When you were born I didn't understand what all the fuss | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
was about. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
-I didn't really get you. -Daddy! -I like you now. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
I started liking you from you were about 12. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
That is the atrocity, really, that the history and the trauma | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
of his past and the past around him has turned him in on his own future. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
Ten years ago I was in London, so I was. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
The centre of the Empire. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
And it felt like there were more Irish there than there | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
were in Ireland. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
English voices, Cockney voices calling themselves Irish. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
You've no idea what that does to a Unionist mind like mine. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
I've been writing this play for four years, I started writing | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
it four years ago, so it's hard to believe it's actually going ahead. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
I thought that it would never actually get produced. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
But then The Abbey and The Royal Court take it | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
and then you get Stephen Rea in the lead role. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Yeah, well, I wrote it for Stephen before I knew him | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
and I thought, "There's no way he would ever do it." | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
In line with the government requirements, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Mr Adams' voice is replaced by that of an actor. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
Does Stephen's own actual backstory, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
including the fact that he voiced | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
Gerry Adams' words during the broadcasting ban, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
add a historical frisson to him playing this part? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
I knew he'd understand the depth and the humour of it. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Or he'd find the depth in it, whereas other actors might struggle | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
because it might seem like a flippant or superficial play. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
But it's funny because other people have mentioned the broadcasting ban | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
and I knew that Stephen had voiced Gerry Adams | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
but I didn't realise everybody else knew that. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
I thought that was a little nugget of information that | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
only I knew. But he wasn't the only actor, there was | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
a lot of actors who voiced Gerry Adams. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
There's also a reference to Interview With The Vampire as well. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
Why aren't there Protestant vampires? | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Yeah, where are all the Protestant vampires? | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
Yeah, when will our stories be told? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
# If you're Irish | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
# Come into the parlour | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
# There's a welcome there for you | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
# If your name is Timothy or Pat | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
# So long as you're not a Protestant | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
# There's a welcome on the mat... # | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
-Has Gerry Adams been invited to see the play? -I don't know. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
I think if The Abbey's lawyers were here... | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
they would instruct me not to answer that question. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
I don't think... The fact that it's Gerry Adams... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
I think when a lot of people heard I was writing this they think, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
"Oh, it's a play about Gerry Adams." | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
Gerry Adams is just the object of this character's obsession, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
it's really got very little to do with the real Gerry Adams. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
Because I don't know the real Gerry Adams. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
-Not yet. -Not yet, who knows? Maybe we'll become friends through this. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
# We'll sing you a song We'll make a fuss | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
# We'll blow up a building or maybe a bus | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
# If you're Irish this is the place for you. # | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
The Survivalist is the BAFTA-nominated debut feature film | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
from Northern Irish writer-director Stephen Fingleton. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
Starring Belfast actor Martin McCann, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
it was shot entirely on location in Northern Ireland and has been | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
described as Mad Max in the countryside. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
Its post-apocalyptic bleakness has garnered international acclaim, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
gaining a fan in none other than Robert De Niro, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
who screened it at his Tribeca Film Festival | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
in New York City. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
The film was released earlier this month. We met up with its creator. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
The world of the film is very unusual. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
It's set in a time after society seems to have collapsed | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
but the natural environment, the ecology, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
the forest in which the film is set is thriving. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
And this is very unusual. Typically in post-event films, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
you're seeing wastelands, desert and things like this. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
This is the reverse. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:27 | |
The environment is getting along fine, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
there's just a lot less people. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
I wanted to show a world where our kind of social norms | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
no longer applied | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and people are essentially depicted almost like animals. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
Surely you can spare something. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
There's more than enough. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
That's what THEY all thought. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
The film, essentially, is a suspense movie about these three | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
characters and, because of the nature of the environment | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
they're in, you know they've all killed to survive. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
They've done whatever it takes. So whatever transactions occur, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
whatever conversations or physical encounters, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
it's just the surface. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Beneath it, there's a range of violence they're capable of, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
which makes it very, very tense. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
You never know what a character's going to do next. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
FLOORBOARDS CREAK | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
HEAVY BREATHING | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
The script made it onto the Hollywood blacklist, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
which is a semi-official list of scripts that have been | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
voted on by executives, producers | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
and other individuals. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
And it's basically an informal way of saying, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
"What have you read this year that you really liked?" | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
And it's quite unusual for a small script written by a Northern Irish | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
writer to make it onto something like that. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Particularly as it's a very small story. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
You've got a lot of very, very, very big films. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
The film my script was jointly ranked with was | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
made into a movie with Johnny Depp. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
She likes you. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
When I started working with the actors, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
I completely changed the script because, ultimately, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
I don't tell the story, my actors tell the story | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
and I need to make sure they're telling the story in their voice | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
because that's what's going to be believable. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
We could clear more land. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
-More hands to manage it. -I've managed so far. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
You've been lucky. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
It wasn't luck. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
I knew from the very beginning that, in the first 15 minutes of | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
the film, there would be no dialogue because it was a single character. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
That kind of set the tone. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
If there's no dialogue, it's all about sound. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
And we spent a huge amount of time in postproduction | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
completely recreating the sound. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
Almost everything in the film has been re-recorded, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
so we can control everything. The wind, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
to the creaking of the steps, to the rattle on a handle and, although | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
you mightn't realise that watching it, it has a great effect on you. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
Milja has an interest in music and musical notes and tones. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
She plays with glass, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
she uses a fork to create kind of a tuning sound. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
FORK TWANGS | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
The reason that came about into the film was, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
first of all, my sound designer wanted those elements within | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
the story to remind the audience of the absence of score. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
But secondly, there's a backstory reason. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
When I talked to Mia about her character, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
we agreed that her father was a composer | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
and she will never be able to do what he did | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
but she's interested by the idea of music. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
And so that's the reason her character does that. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Now, the audience doesn't need to know that | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
but you feel she's doing it for a reason. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
FORK TWANGS | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Well, it's a really exciting time if you're a new director | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
because there's a lot of opportunities if you make | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
what is considered to be like one good film, even if it's small, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
you'll have a lot of people knocking on your door | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
and I've been fortunate enough to have one particularly great | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
company come to me and I'm working on quite a big film to write and | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
direct for them, which would be for a kind of mainstream audience. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
The Survivalist will probably be most seen on VOD platforms | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
like iTunes and Google Play when it's released. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
But this film is something that will be in every cinema. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
The thing I love about movies is it's art meets commerce. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
If I wanted to have complete control, I would write novels. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
So I enjoy that challenge and I love that other people can help | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
bring expertise and show you new ways of finding stories because | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
I get very bored stuck in my head | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
and I love making something that's more collective. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
I really get a lot of energy from that. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
-HIGH-PITCHED TONE -Shut the door. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Well, that's almost all we have time for on The Arts Show for this month. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
You can keep up-to-date, though, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
with arts coverage on BBC Radio Ulster's The Arts Show, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
Tuesdays to Fridays at half past six. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
We leave you tonight with some local live music. David Lyttle | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
has built up a high profile in the world of jazz. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
He's been nominated for a MOBO award, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
Rolling Stone Magazine glowingly reviewed his 2015 album, Faces, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
he's currently moving on music's artist in residence at the MAC | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
and he goes on tour with his trio in April. Here's a sneak preview. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
Goodnight. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 |