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This month on The Arts Show, we're here at the Ulster Museum | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
for one of the biggest portrait awards in the world - | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
The BP Portrait Awards. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Coming up, to be or not to begorra. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
Local comic hero Tim McGarry asks | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
if Shakespeare created the drunken Irish Paddy's stereotype. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
Irish rugby star Paddy Jackson tells us | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
about the art that changed his world. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
British and Irish Children's Laureates Eoin Colfer | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
and Chris Riddell on writing for the most merciless of all audiences - | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
kids. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
And we've music from the Cathedral Quarter Arts Festival's | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
artist-in-residence, Jealous of the Birds. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm on Twitter now @bbcartsshow. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
This month is the 400th anniversary of the death of William Shakespeare. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
The BBC is marking it with a special festival. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
While he left us an incredible back catalogue of plays, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
poems and prose, it can also be argued that he saddled us | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
with a caricature of Ireland that has endured for centuries - | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
the drunken Irish Paddy. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Writer and comedian Tim McGarry sticks it to the Bard. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
Knock, knock. Who's there? | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
An Irish burglar. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
That's a great gag. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
It's pithy, it deconstructs the "knock, knock" format and it | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
contains a lovely image of a man in a mask rapping your front door. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
But it also contains a stereotype. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
The stereotype that Irish people are stupid. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
Hello. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
Father Dougal McGuire here. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
For centuries, on stage and in the media, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
the portrayal of Irish people has been... | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
Well, wee bit dopey. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
Play us a tune, you lot. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
An Irish tune! | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
But what's worse than that, we've also been betrayed | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
as argumentative, cowardly, dishonest, savage, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
and above all, drunk. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
Always drunk. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
You know, Ireland has more drunks per capita than people. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Oh, that's a negative stereotype. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
I don't think the Irish drink as much as people say they do. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
And you know who I blame for this negative image of Irish people? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Do you know who I blame? | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
Billy Shakespeare. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
Stage Irishness is the exaggerated | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
and caricatured portrayal of Irish characteristics. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
Characteristics that were always negative. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
But where did it start? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
Well, the first famous example is | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
the character of Captain Macmorris in Shakespeare's Henry V. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
The town is beseeched. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
An the trumpet call us to the breach and we talk and, be Chrish, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
do nothing! | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
He's hot tempered. He's uncultured. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
He talks about cutting throats. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
And he utters the infamous line... | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
What ish my nation? | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Ish it villain, and a bastard, and a knave, and a rascal. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
What ish my nation? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
Who talks of my nation? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
The, "ish" seems important to me, because it seems to mock the way | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Irish people speak. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
And it implies not only difference, but inferiority. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
So, Shakespeare... | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
Yeah, he may have been England's greatest ever writer, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
but was he also an anti-Irish bigot? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
This is the actual house in which Shakespeare was | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
born in Stratford-upon-Avon. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
I asked leading authority on the Bard Professor Stanley Wells | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
if Irish people are wrong to take offence at Macmorris. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
I think they are wrong. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
I don't think he's very offensively portrayed. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
He is, after all, one of Henry V's supporters. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
He's slightly jokily portrayed, of course. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Because he's a national stereotype, as the Scotsman | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
and the Welshman also are in that scene. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
You're saying Shakespeare was drawing on stock stereotypes | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
-that existed already? -Yes, yes. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
It's a sort of mother-in-law joke, really, I think. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
The audience would have smiled sympathetically. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
He's an early example of it, I'd rather say, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
rather than a setting of the stereotype. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
So you're a Shakespeare defender, so you're not going to | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
say that he was anti-Irish in any shape or form, are you? | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Well, I don't think he was anti-Irish, no. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
I think he was drawing on ordinary jokes, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
common jokes, common attitudes, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
which his audience would have recognised about nationality. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
Just as nowadays, people have stereotypical attitudes. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
Of course, we're a bit more politically conscious nowadays. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
We frown a bit more than perhaps they did in Shakespeare's | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
time on national stereotype jokes. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
But I think Shakespeare, yes, he shared in those, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
but in a good-humoured way I think. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
O, tish ill done, tish ill done; by my hand, tish ill done! | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
So, whether Shakespeare meant it or not, the damage was done | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
and the stereotype stuck. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Now, let's be honest, with stereotypes, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
there's sometimes a grain of truth. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
Irish people drink too much. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Listen, probably best if you don't show any | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
footage of Jimmy Nesbitt at that boxing match. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Oh, I hope so. He can box. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Or St Patrick's Day in the Holylands. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
The police spent more than two hours trying to clear the streets. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
I suspect he didn't care enough about the Irish | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
to be an anti-Irish bigot. Because, you know, let's face it, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
you've 37 plays. That's about... Well, what's that? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
It's about 150 acts, maybe 800 scenes and there's what, one scene | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
and one character. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
There's a few other minor references to Ireland. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Really, in that same scene, there is a Welsh character, Fluellen, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
who's long-winded and boring and says, "look you," all the time. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
And there is a Scot in it, Jamy, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
who is completely incomprehensible when you read it on the page. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
I mean, national stereotyping was just par for the course. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Knock-about, a bit of knock-about humour. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
You could more accuse Shakespeare of that general trend of you | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
stereotype people, you use what the English considered to be | 0:06:42 | 0:06:48 | |
funny accents and strange ways of using the English language. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
But there's a stage Irish persona, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
there's not a stage Welshman or a stage Scotsman. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
I mean, my own feeling is that that came more directly... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
I mean, it became a thing in the 19th century. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Whether you can say, "Oh, Shakespeare did it, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
"so we'll do too." I think it was much more part | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
of the 19th century stage. The Punch cartoons of the time. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
The imperialist outlook was much greater. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
The big accusation you make about Shakespeare is that he really | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
didn't care about the Irish at all. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
The stage Irishman survived right up until recent times. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
The bow-tied comedians of the 1970s all had a large | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
stockpile of thick Paddy jokes. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
On radio and TV, the portrayal of the Irishman may not have been as a | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
knuckle-dragging savage, but he was still very much a figure of fun. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:47 | |
Maybe I'm being too sensitive. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
I mean, come on, Mr O'Reilly in Fawlty Towers, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
he's very, very funny. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
I like a woman with spirit. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Oh, do you? Is that what you like? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
-I do, I do! -Oh, good. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Now, Sybil, that's enough. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
Come on, then, give us a smile! | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
So what if his portrayal is a little bit anti-Irish? | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Look at what Fawlty Towers did for the Spanish. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
-Shut up. -Eh? -Shut up. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Si, si, shut up. Yes, I understand. Yes. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
-Well, will you please shut up then? -Si, si, I shut up. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
-Now, while we're away... -Shut up. -Shut up! | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
Things have changed for the better. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
It's unacceptable now to be blatantly anti-Irish. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
In the same way only black people can use the N word, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
the only people who can now take the hand out of the Irish are the Irish. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Thank you, father. Thank...thank...you...I... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
-I know. -She's all I've got... | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
I know. I know. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
How do you fucking know? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
I mean, seriously, imagine if Mrs Brown's Boys was actually | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
written and performed by English people. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
There'd be an outcry. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
A few years ago, it wasn't inconceivable. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Now, there's nothing inherently wrong with pointing out | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
stereotypes or using stereotypes to get a laugh. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
I mean, we've all done that... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
occasionally. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Emer is my wife, will you, please, try and make her feel more at home? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
OK, OK. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
-I'll put some coal in the bath. -Oi! | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
And I'll get a couple of pigs for the kitchen. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
But, like all things, context is everything. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
Who is doing the stereotyping and why? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
And what are they trying to say? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Which brings me full circle. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
It's 400 years since the death of William Shakespeare. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
And you know Irish people, we don't like to bear a grudge. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Oh, no, we let bygones be bygones. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
So, William Shakespeare, we forgive you. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
Yes, he may have started the portrayal of the stage Irishman, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
but let's cut the man some slack. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
Maybe he was only joking. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Now, if his Instagram posts are anything to go by, the Ulster and | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
All-Ireland rugby star Paddy Jackson has a pretty wicked sense of humour. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
The Arts Show took him off pitch to share with us some of the culture | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
that first made a big impression on him. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
One of my earliest memories was from 10th or 11th birthday, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
my dad got me a CD and it was a T Rex album. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
And I'd never heard them before. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
# Get it on Bang a gong | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
# Get it on.# | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
Of course, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:36 | |
kids at my age weren't listening to stuff like that at the time. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
So, I kind of set it down and didn't really pay much attention to it. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
I thought it was a bit of a strange gift. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
And then, of course, my dad went and picked up straightaway, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
took it to his car and put it into the CD player. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
From then on, he was playing it when we were driving in the car | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
and I just really loved them from hearing them straightaway. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
I thought kind of the coolest thing was that it was my dad's music. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
I just instantly, kind of, fell in love with the music. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
The likes of Children Of The Revolution, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Get It On and 20th Century Boy. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
# I'm your toy Your 20th century boy. # | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
My favourite film growing up definitely has to be The Lion King. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
I know everyone, it's probably a childhood favourite for many people. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
Obviously, it's just a great film. I still love watching it. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
# The circle of life. # | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
I remember going to see the musical written about George Best's life - | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
Dancing Shoes written by Martin Lynch. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
I really loved it and it was obviously really special for Dad. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
George Best was a hero of his. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
Just what he did as a footballer was amazing. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
And then being someone, obviously, in rugby, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
it's someone that I've always looked up to. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
And, obviously, being so important to my dad, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
it was pretty important to me as well. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
Favourite book would have to be the Harry Potter books. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
I've read all of them countless times. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
I'm sure if I have a family when I'm older, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
I'll make sure the kids will read them. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
I just think it's it such a magical story and it's worldwide, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
so everyone loves it. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
I'm really looking forward to the new film coming out, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
So, I'll have to give that a watch. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
I've only ever been to a few concerts, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
but the one that stood out for me was Mumford And Sons. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
# I will wait I will wait for you. # | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
They'd definitely be my favourite band. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
Ever since I heard their early music, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
I just fell in love with them. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:37 | |
I always said I wanted to go and see them live. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
I got there about three hours early, my legs were killing me | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
by the time Mumford even came on. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
But as soon as they started playing, I was just enthralled throughout | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
the whole concert. And it definitely blew my mind. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
I'd definitely love to go and see them play live again. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
Now, celebrated Belfast poet Medbh McGuckian was recently | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
shortlisted for the prestigious Irish Times Poetry Now Award | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
for her collection, Balris Moor. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Here she is reading from it. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
The water knows the way down to the Titanic and her two sisters. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:21 | |
She rouges her silver lightness, buttons her gown herself, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:27 | |
so high, so closed, her days malodorous from saturated skies. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
Do you think it reflects well on our city to ones who arrived only | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
a week ago to go outdoors in pyjamas to the turgid bar district? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:48 | |
The Gucci outlets in the city's revamped living room. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
To photograph a child on the Kings Highway. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
Gone is the edginess of the city, cleansed of conflict, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
argument, debate, protest, ructions and ribaldry. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
Notwithstanding the spy cameras, the pop-up shops, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
the flash mobs of drink-fuelled petrol heads, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
the new Purple Flag award. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
I still have to find my life through the false prison of | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
Samson and Goliath, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
the ailing road perfuming the heavy curtains of Parliament. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
We still show our papers to reveal where we are going. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
Well, we're all too used to taking a selfie these days, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
but what makes a portrait different? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
We are here at what have been dubbed the portraiture Oscars - | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
The BP Portrait Awards - | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
on a long overdue return visit to the Ulster Museum. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Kim, what makes a portrait different to a selfie we take on our phone? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
I think it's really the magic that happens | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
between artist and the sitter. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
That engagement and interaction between the artist's brush | 0:15:16 | 0:15:22 | |
and the analytical way that they look at that person. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
But also, they're talking, engaging with the sitter. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
They're learning more about that person, their personality. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
And that actually adds another layer to the image that we see | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
and the painting. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
And, really, you can't replicate that in a photograph. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
There's so many questions that we want to ask about portraits | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
that have been painted. You know, who is that sitter? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
Why did the artist choose that person? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
And why is the composition in that way? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
I mean, it is such a magical experience for not | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
just the artist, but the sitter themselves. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
I suppose, also, the artist | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
is probably going to show your flaws. Whereas, on a selfie, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
you're going to either delete or heavily Photoshop yourself. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
I've spoken to many of the portrait artists about it, that | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
some of the sitters actually say that there is a | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
layer of themselves or an aspect of their personality that comes | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
out in the paint that they are quite shocked at. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
That they weren't expecting that the public then could actually see. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
These are the Rolls-Royce, I believe, of portrait awards. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:37 | |
It is. It's internationally important. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
92 countries' artists submitted work to this show. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
And out of the 2,748 that were digitally submitted, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:51 | |
it was whittled down in a two-stage process. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
To seeing the actual paintings, there were 456 of those, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
and then it became the 55 selected artists that are in the show. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:06 | |
Five out of those 55 artists are Irish. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
The variety that you see on the walls is amazing. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
And every artist's interpretation, whether it their own self-portrait | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
or of another person or a group of people, is just incredible. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
It really appeals to a wide audience, this exhibition. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
Did you have to really put in a tough pitch | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
to get it to Northern Ireland? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Cos it's quite hard to get it out of London, isn't it? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
We haven't had this exhibition here since 1998. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
And it was really important that it came back to Belfast | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
to allow our public to see it. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
I've heard so many people say that they travelled over to London | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
to see the exhibition. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
Well, now they can come and see it here at the Ulster Museum. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
-Do you have favourites? -It's actually very difficult. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
A lot of people have asked me that, even | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
when we were hanging the exhibition. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
It actually changes, because such a variety of different styles | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
and different compositions that the artists have used. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Depending on my mood, that's when I sort of look and go, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
"Well, I really like you today." | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
I change my mind the next time I'm in. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
You'll probably miss them as well, whenever they're gone. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Yes, we will miss them. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
It allows different audiences to engage with this contemporary art | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
and, in particular, obviously, portraiture. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
Kim, thank you very much. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
Now, I have always loved reading, ever | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
since my mum took me to the local library as a child. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
And it's something I handed on to my own children, too. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
It's really great to know that children here have | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
their reading backs covered by not one, but two Children's Laureates. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
British Children's Laureate Chris Riddell is | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
the writer of the Goth Girl series. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
And Eoin Colfer of Artemis Fowl fame is his Irish counterpart, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
the Laureate na nOg. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
I met with these two super heroes of storytelling in a recent | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
flying visit to Belfast. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Gentleman, welcome. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
As Children's Laureates, which one of you do you feel has | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
-the best bling for your chain of office? -Well... | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
I have a recurring nightmare that I put it on and wear it. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
A) I forget I'm wearing it. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
I'm on public transport looking ludicrous. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Or I put it down inadvertently and walk away and lose it. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
At which point, I'd have to resign in disgrace. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
Well, I gave mine to my son. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
He's doing rubbings, so he likes to do them, he's like, the little rubbing... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Banksy rubbings, all over Dublin! | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
-With your bling! -With the laureate bling. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
Is there a difference between the British and the Irish Laureate? | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
I love the children's book culture in both the UK and in Ireland. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:20 | |
-It's a very close one. -Is there a difference though? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Well, it's an interesting one... | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
I think they're going together, as more and more Irish Art graduates and artists kind of go out into | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
the world, and it's kind of a golden age for us at the moment. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Recent research would say that children are reading more than ever. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
-Yeah. -So the demise of children's books would be greatly exaggerated? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
The oft-heralded demise! I think every time some new form of | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
media comes on, the death knell is tolled for children's books. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
And, you know, whether it's the theatre or home cinema, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
or movies or DVD or the internet, and it never happens. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
And in fact, picture books, especially, are stronger than ever, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
stronger than ever. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
And they never took a hit from e-books, which I think is fantastic. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
How do you navigate though the noise that is out there with technology in our digital age? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
I think you embrace it. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
I think you actually... | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
People who love books talk about books, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
they blog about books, they'll post things on the various social networking sites. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
It becomes a community and one's invited in to talk about that | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
and that's a lovely thing. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Because you're very good on social media, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
particularly with your "Doodle a Day". | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Yes, I post these up on social media, on my Instagram, Facebook, Tumblr, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
so that people can see what I'm doing or what I'm not doing, sometimes. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
-Have you embraced the digital age? -Um, a little bit. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
I do like that if there's a book group in Virginia who would | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
love to have you come over, but you can't, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
you can do FaceTime with them, or you can make them a little video. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
And I make a lot of little videos for people and send them off. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
And that's just a little way to use the technology, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
which I totally agree with Chris on. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
There is no point in not embracing it. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
So I try to embrace as much as possible. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Well, I lived pre-internet, which is the Stone Age for my children. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
-What books were you reading? -Clive King, Stig Of The Dump. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
Yes, I remember very clearly thinking, "All right, that's it. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
"I want to write a story like this." | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
But it very definitely changed my outlook on life. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
It's quite a sort of obscure book. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
It was called Agaton Sax And The Jewel Thieves. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
And I thought, "Ooh, looks interesting!" | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
-I picked it up, far too difficult for me, but it had illustrations. -Yeah. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
So I started to read as well as I could, Agaton Sax. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Struggled through it, got to the end and I thought, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
"Peter and Jane are dead to me. I want another Agaton Sax." | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
-And so I went off to the library and found one. -Like Tony Soprano! -THEY LAUGH | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
Do you feel the responsibility of children's authors | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
to reflect children's lives? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
Or are you just interested in escape and firing their imaginations? | 0:22:54 | 0:23:00 | |
All that and more. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
I think you want to reflect... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
I think stories contain truth, you know? | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
And that's why we love stories. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
They can reflect our experiences, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
they can be windows into other people's experiences. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
I think books are wonderful, empathic things | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
where you learn about the world around you | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
and you learn about worlds you're yet to experience. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
And they can also take you to amazing places. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
I love this phrase the Book Trust use, which says, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
"It's not a book, it's a door." | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
And I love that. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
You know, it is a doorway into somewhere else. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
So you pick up a book, it's shaped like a door, you can enter another place and another reality. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Why do you think children are still reading? | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
If you get a child to read, they are reading for life. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
They're not going to stop. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
It's like I often say to kids, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
"Imagine you go to Disneyland and the gates open | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
"and you say, 'Well, I'm not going to go on any of those rides over there.' | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
"And you say, 'No, it's great fun! And it's, 'No, I don't want to go on any of those rides!'" | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
That's what it is like, saying you're not going to read a book. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
It's like you're at the gates of Disneyland and you decide, "No, I'm not going on the rides." | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
So, you know, read the book and be happy forever. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Two tellers of tall tales, Eoin and Chris. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
And they are champions of the BBC's new Get Reading campaign, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
which launches this month with the Shakespeare Festival. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
There'll be numerous events across radio, TV and online | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
to get the nation reading. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
We're back on air, BBC Radio Ulster, Tuesdays to Fridays at 6.30 | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
and online for extra material. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Some music now. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
Jealous Of The Birds is the alias of the Armagh singer-songwriter, Naomi Hamilton. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
She's currently artist-in-residence of this year's Cathedral Quarter Arts Festival | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
and her debut album, Parma Violets is out on the 6th of May. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
Here she is, recorded exclusively for The Arts Show. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
# She said, I'm blue | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
# As a robin's egg | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
# I've done nothing to make me proud | 0:25:27 | 0:25:33 | |
# I rehearse conversations in | 0:25:34 | 0:25:42 | |
# The shower when I am home alone | 0:25:42 | 0:25:48 | |
# No-one has ever bought me flowers | 0:25:50 | 0:25:56 | |
# Or smoked a joint on my Persian rug | 0:25:58 | 0:26:06 | |
# Go to Mexico | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
# And lie under a mango tree | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
# And watch a line of crows | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
# Grace the southern breeze, but you won't know where they go | 0:26:18 | 0:26:25 | |
# Everything just scatters out like acorns in the snow | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
# Or dust clouds in a drought | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
# She said (she said) I care (I care) | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
# Too much these days | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
# About (about) my place (My place) in this ball of yarn | 0:27:03 | 0:27:11 | |
# There's not (there's not) a lot (a lot) that I can boast | 0:27:11 | 0:27:18 | |
# I water (I water) plants and make French Toast | 0:27:18 | 0:27:25 | |
# And muse (and muse) like some (like some) old misanthrope | 0:27:27 | 0:27:35 | |
# Afraid (afraid) to sow (to sow) | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
# All my wild oats | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
# Read Walt Whitman poems | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
# Drink a bottle of Champagne | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
# And sing some Leonard Cohen | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
# I love it when he speaks so plain | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
# The way you often do | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
# When I am crying after midnight | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
# Just between us two | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
# It makes me smile to know you're all right. # | 0:28:10 | 0:28:16 |