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Just lean forward a little bit like that, that's good.

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That's fab, hon.

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'Seven years ago, my parents died,

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'really quickly, within three weeks of each other.

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'It struck me, as I was sifting through all their old photographs,

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'remembering my mum and dad,

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'that my whole idea of photography began to crystallise.

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'When you take a photograph, in that moment that you click the shutter,

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'you're capturing life.

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'It's a memory that you've made of somebody.'

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That's good, that's exactly what we want.

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'You're not intentionally commemorating them.

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'It's just a snapshot.

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'But when that person dies, the photographs become something else.

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'Suddenly, they have a potency.'

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I want to explore that.

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I want to push myself and take my work somewhere new.

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And I want to come to terms with my parents death

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in the only way I know how, through photography.

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So I had this idea to do an exhibition about death...and life.

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I want to photograph people who are staring death in the face

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and see what I can learn from them about life.

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You only get one chance to live, to express yourself.

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We can taste, we can feel.

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We can feel each other's love. It's amazing.

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That's what it should be.

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All the things that normally I'd be worrying about or

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what would be bringing me down, you suddenly realise it doesn't matter.

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It just doesn't matter any more!

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It doesn't matter what's happened in the past, it doesn't matter

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what's going to happen in the future, because there is no future.

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You... You are alive.

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It doesn't mean that all I want to do is sit around

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and have deep and meaningful discussions all the time.

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That's not what happens when you get cancer.

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That's not what happens when you think you're,

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well, you know you're going to die.

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You either look at the fact that you're dying and cry about it,

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or you look at the fact you're dying and laugh about it.

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And inevitably, it's nicer laughing than crying, isn't it?

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Things begin, grow, alive, end.

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It's the most ordinary thing in the world. Why be frightened of it?

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After my parents passed away, we got all the photo albums.

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They didn't take a lot of photographs.

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They were under-exposed, badly-shot photos.

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That's a good picture of my dad. That was what my dad was like.

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Always the joker.

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They passed away six years ago

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and I'm only just really coming to terms with them not being here.

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I feel a, kind of, responsibility to my son

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and to my family that... I make sure I prepare them

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for my passing away.

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And I guess that's why I wanted to do the project, just to stare

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death in the face a bit and ask yourself a few questions about it.

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So I'm going back to my roots.

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I want to photograph real people, with real problems,

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people who are facing one of the biggest challenges of all -

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their own death.

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When I get ready in the night, when I put my wig on, I feel ultra-glam.

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And when I take it off, I don't.

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So this is what I look like if I take my wig off.

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I'm being brave, but that's it.

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That's my bit of growth from my chemo.

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I don't like it, I'm putting my wig back on, thank you.

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And everybody says to me,

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"Oh, you're more glamorous now than you used to be."

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So, cancer forced me to be glamorous.

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I love Lesley.

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Lesley is full of an incredible amount of self-belief,

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with a very healthy dose of self-criticism.

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I've only got one eyelash on.

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HE LAUGHS

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You look great.

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-Do I?

-Yeah.

-We're trying to look like Kim.

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-Kim Kardashian?

-Yeah.

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If I don't look like her at the end of this, there'll be trouble.

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Why do you want to look like Kim Kardashian?

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I think she's really pretty.

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That's one picture that I actually think is cute of myself.

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I look like a boy most of the time, but I like that one

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because I've got bunches in. I look cute.

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I was adopted when I was seven days old and grew up feeling

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very different and lonely,

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and always wondering where I was from

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and why I was being bullied at school.

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Why I was bigger than everyone else,

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why I was darker than everyone else, and I had no answers.

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It was just "in" to be blonde and blue-eyed,

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and if you were anything other than that, you were a freak.

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The social workers used to come and say, "What's the prognosis?"

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and I said, "Oh, I'm going to get better."

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They said, "Who told you that, the doctor?"

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I said, "No, me."

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And she was like, "Well..." As if to say, "Who are you?"

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Do you know what I mean?!

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And I thought, "Well, I'm me, actually."

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So I thought... And I'm in charge

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of whether I'm going to get better or not.

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And one day, she was due to come, I felt rough,

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I was being sick, I thought, "Oh, God!"

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But I did it. I put make-up on, wig on and I opened that door

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and she just went, "Oh, you've proved us all wrong, haven't you!"

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And I thought, "Result! Result!"

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It was only a wig and a bit of make-up, but she believed me.

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It's the wig! The wig saved the day again.

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Hmmm. I don't like myself on pictures.

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Why not? You look great.

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-I don't know.

-You look beautiful.

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SHE CHUCKLES

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-Do you not like them?

-No.

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We could do that.

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That's nice, what have you done to it?

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That is just so much better.

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HE LAUGHS

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In't it, though?

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I tell you what, we could do something like that,

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then do something more real that goes with it.

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What's interesting for me, and for other people,

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is that when you see the pictures of her she doesn't really look ill.

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It's not until she takes the wig off that there is a hint of how she is.

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Shall we take your wig off, then?

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Go on, then.

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Oh, God!

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-I would never normally have my hair like this.

-Oh, wow!

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Just let me say that.

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-But it looks great!

-No way!

-It looks great like that!

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Her whole personality is just full of energy and positivity.

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She's great to be around. You come away feeling a bit exhausted by her!

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That's great. Really look in the lens,

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-almost like you're talking to the camera.

-OK.

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Talking inside, to the person who's looking at your picture.

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Tell them your story with your eyes.

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That's great, I love that.

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Hmmm. I feel nervous.

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Don't feel nervous, you're going to look amazing, don't worry.

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I love that one.

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I think you look like a French movie star.

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What do you think?

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I've had better pictures.

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Like, from me...

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SHE LAUGHS

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-..from me mobile phone.

-Tell us about it.

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SHE LAUGHS

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Where's me phone?

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I'll show you the ones.

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It just bleaches you out and you look like you're 12 years old.

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That's why I like it!

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-Because it makes you look really young?

-Yes!

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That looks absolutely awful and I look like a convict.

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I can't be beaten by a mobile phone.

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Can I get the Leica, please?

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ISO 400, 2.8, 125. You'll probably be fine.

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Please let me put my wig on?

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What was interesting is that, right from the beginning,

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she didn't feel comfortable in front of the camera.

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And a lot of beautiful people have that, where they're quite analytical

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of themselves, and she looked very sad, her eyes looked very sad.

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But then she just wanted

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to look like she was Wonder Woman, Katie Price.

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Do your face that you do.

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-What face?

-The camera phone.

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Oh, the camera phone!

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Hang on, let me... Just a minute, let me think.

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Right.

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'It's just a pity, because it's all pre-conceived notions of what's beautiful,

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'and to me that's not what's beautiful about her.

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'What's beautiful is her incredible personality

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'and her really cutting sense of humour.'

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Ooooh, look at that! Now, see, that's what I'm talking about!

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That is what I'm talking about!

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Who knows me better than me?

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That's amazing, I need a copy of that, I just love it.

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Do you not agree, though?

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Well, no, I think...

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I feel that this was more about you fighting something,

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whereas this one's you trying to look glamorous.

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But does every woman not want to look glamorous?

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I don't want you to be unhappy with your photo.

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I'm unhappy.

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See, we're going to clash, we're going to clash.

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Can I have both? Please?

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I'll let you have that one, if you let me have that one?

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It's a negotiation?

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I like that one, you've done well.

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But notice how I put my bit in and showed you how to do it?

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You certainly did.

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To me, once you've died...

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..it's all about your soul, not your body.

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They can do what they want with my body,

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I don't care, I'm not here anymore, I'm not in it. I've gone.

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Back to where I belong.

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Back to home.

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Do you like that?

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I'm happy. You've done well.

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Thank you.

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How much do I get paid for this?

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Joking. It was a joke.

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Normally people pay me.

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It's very therapeutic to start with, digging around in earth.

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I think we have a connection to the earth. All human beings have.

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And just planting things and seeing them grow, really.

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There we are.

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I've got what is called Chinese lanterns,

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and when they dry up and die, they make this fantastic little mesh.

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It's got a little seed in there, as well.

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They're bright orange when they come out.

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They don't last long, because they are so delicate.

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In March 2005, I had a mastectomy, my right breast went.

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In 2007, it spread everywhere.

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It spread in my bones, soft tissue, lungs and liver.

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After that, I developed a brain tumour on my cerebellum,

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the back of my head. I had to have brain surgery.

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Then they burned my cancer in my lungs. Then I had a collapsed lung.

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I had to stay in hospital for two weeks and got swine flu in hospital.

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-Thank you.

-What do you want me to do, just pour it in?

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SHE PANTS REPEATEDLY

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Thank you.

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-Are you all right?

-Yeah.

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It's like King Canute pushing the wave back.

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-Can you stand there, like that?

-Yeah, that's great.

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Just reflector please.

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Yeah, I'd like the eyes closed for one, as well.

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Do you want me to take this off?

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Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's a good idea, for one shot,

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it might be interesting.

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-How's that?

-Yeah, that's great.

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It's not a disease that is outside. It's inside.

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And most of it I disguise,

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because I don't want other people to worry about me.

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Just push your chin out a little, hon.

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That's it, and down a little.

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I don't want their pity. I don't want that.

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Because if I take on their pity then it's going to make me feel or think,

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"Oh, yeah, I'm a poor girl, what I have to deal with."

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Then I can't continue any more.

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I'm still here,

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and I'm kicking and I'm fighting to get as much out of life as possible.

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And in the end, we all go to the same place.

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All of us. It's just a matter of time.

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It's quite strange, actually, because when you've always been into

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sport and fitness and that sort of thing, and enjoyed life to the full,

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to all of a sudden be told that you're...

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For want of a better word, dying.

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It's quite a strange feeling.

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I went and met my daughter for lunch, who's 18.

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The first thing I said was,

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"If I said to you, quality or quantity, what would you say?"

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And Charlotte said, "Quality."

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She said, "Why do you ask?" And I told her the situation.

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And she said, "Well, I'd like you to say quality, as well."

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When I was diagnosed, I was told

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that I probably had about five years to live.

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But instead of turning my energy inwards,

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I wanted to project it out, to help people, really.

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And I started up a charity called Climbers Against Cancer,

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or CAC for short.

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I've already raised somewhere in the region of £75,000.

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Cancer's a big word.

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It's too big actually, it shouldn't be that big.

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It's a terrible disease, a lot of people die of it,

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but people are really frightened of cancer.

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And what I wanted to do was create a sort of vibrancy around cancer,

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create a happiness, so people can see that, you know,

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here's a guy that's got terminal cancer, I'm just a regular guy,

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but I can deal with it the way I deal with it,

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and I can smile all the way through it.

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I'm not saying I'm happy all the time,

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but predominantly, I can be really happy and love life as you should.

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I'm really quite humbled by the whole thing, because

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little old me, in little old Ribchester in the Ribble Valley,

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comes up with an idea that's affecting people around the world.

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It's really quite rewarding.

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It's really important to me that Charlotte can look back

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and think, you know, "My dad were a cool guy."

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Now that's me nearly getting upset, there.

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I'm considering myself as an Amazonian Indian woman.

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You know, the Amazonians purposely cut off their breasts,

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so they could shoot their arrows?

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That's true! Yeah, that is actually true.

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And I thought, "Well it's only a bit of flesh, it's not that important."

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It should symbolise the inner strength that comes through me,

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how I want to deal with this.

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That I'm fighting to the bitter end. I'm not giving up.

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I see a warrior. I see someone battling her illness, that will win.

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She may die in the process, but she'll still be a winner.

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John brings a new dimension to optimism.

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I think he's the kind of person that I wanted to do the project to meet, really.

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He's the sort of person that I thought we'd come across,

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but he's almost liked pumped, amplified, he's like a steroid version of optimistic.

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Yeah, really looking through the lens.

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The thing about CAC I really like is the minute you say it, you smile.

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Know what I mean? You can't...CAC, it makes you...it makes you smile.

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-It's cheerful.

-Yeah. It's fun, but...

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We all know there's a serious side to it, though.

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-But you can't let that get to you.

-No, of course not.

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How do you stop it getting to you though?

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You wake up every morning with a smile on your face.

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Is that how you get, sort of, through it?

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Yeah, yeah. It's terminal, but you can't moan about it.

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He's my perfect subject, really - a golden ticket of subjects,

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because he comes out and makes you feel at ease

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talking about something that's very hard to discuss.

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And then, on top of that, he takes the mickey out of it.

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Do me! Do me! He's going to do me! Do me.

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Actually I'll shoot it, I'll shoot it.

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That's great, do me.

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He's brilliant, but very hard for me to photograph, because I couldn't work out what would be meaningful

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to the people who'd see the shots, and to him.

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Can you tip your glasses to the side?

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He did try a few pictures that were a bit "Eric Morecambe" looking.

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I wasn't sure if that was... really me, as such.

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I like natural humour rather than contrived humour, if you will.

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I think we need to do something like that with you.

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You're so...you're not a serious per-... I mean...

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No, I find it hard to be serious.

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Try the other way, try the other way.

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Very good. OK, good, well done. That's brilliant.

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Come and have a look at that.

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So you couldn't do two together?

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I could do two together or I could do you facing each other, which could be quite nice.

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It's almost like one person is looking at another person,

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you know what I mean, in the mirror?

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I think he went for a great shot cos he referred to the fun one as him,

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and the other one, as his life with cancer, which I thought was quite...

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..quite...quite emotional, really.

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I'm not normally like this. I don't normally bring myself into projects quite as much.

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But this one, I've just gone inside my own head.

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Kind of a self-obsession, about my own personal mortality.

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And I'm trying really hard to process that, get it out of me,

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and just doing these things gets it out.

9:17:489:17:51

The skull has always been this symbol of death,

9:17:539:17:56

but it's been sort of hijacked by the fashion world.'

9:17:569:17:59

You see it everywhere - T-shirts, perfume bottles, jewellery.

9:17:599:18:03

It's, kind of, lost that original meaning.

9:18:039:18:06

So I wanted to play with that a bit by doing some self-portraits,

9:18:069:18:10

even though I know it's going to make me look totally self-obsessed.

9:18:109:18:14

CAMERA SHUTTER

9:18:149:18:16

I guess this probably is the most indulgent I can be.

9:18:169:18:19

Of all the people I've photographed writer Diana Athill is one of the most impressive.

9:18:459:18:49

She's lived a long and full life...

9:18:499:18:53

KNOCKING

9:18:519:18:53

..and is coming closer to her own death, something she's written about candidly.

9:18:539:18:57

Hello, Rankin, how nice to see you again.

9:18:579:18:59

-Hi, Diana, how are you.

-I'm all right, come on in.

9:18:599:19:03

-You look really well.

-So do you.

9:19:039:19:07

And what's the point of this programme, what is it that you're trying to get at?

9:19:099:19:13

The core of it is that I'm scared of death, and I've realised,

9:19:139:19:19

through my parents passing away, that I'm scared of death.

9:19:199:19:22

I remember when I was very young...

9:19:229:19:24

..I think it was Montaigne who said everyone ought to spend 15 minutes

9:19:269:19:30

every day thinking about death, so they're used to the idea.

9:19:309:19:33

And I thought, "that's rather sensible!"

9:19:339:19:36

And it seemed to me, very quickly, that it was a part of life.

9:19:369:19:41

Even enormous mountains, they have a beginning,

9:19:419:19:45

they come up to their best and then they wear away and then they die.

9:19:459:19:50

Everything does.

9:19:509:19:52

That's the pattern of how life works and if it didn't work like that, God knows where we'd be.

9:19:529:19:57

-So that it can't be, if it's SO completely universal, it can't be that bad...

-Hm.

9:19:589:20:05

..is how it struck me.

9:20:059:20:07

It's the most ordinary thing in the world. Why be frightened of it?

9:20:079:20:11

There's things I think I'll miss, you know, I'm going to miss...

9:20:119:20:15

like, a sunrise.

9:20:159:20:17

You won't miss it, darling, because you won't be there to miss it!

9:20:179:20:21

I remember a friend of mine who felt it very strongly.

9:20:229:20:28

He would wake up in the night and say "I'm going to die. How awful!

9:20:289:20:34

"And all those fucking birds will still go on singing!"

9:20:359:20:39

LAUGHTER

9:20:399:20:41

I said, well, that's what cheers me up!

9:20:419:20:44

I like to think...

9:20:449:20:45

All the birds singing.

9:20:459:20:47

..all the birds go on singing, babies go on being born, life goes on.

9:20:479:20:52

It doesn't make me feel bad, it makes me feel better.

9:20:529:20:55

It made him feel furious, he wanted them all to stop!

9:20:559:20:59

A lot of what I'm talking about is just this selfish notion of how important my death is to me.

9:20:599:21:05

It's not really going to be that important to anyone else!

9:21:059:21:08

It's going to be very important to other people -

9:21:089:21:11

more important to other people, than it is to you, actually,

9:21:119:21:14

because they're going to know about it.

9:21:149:21:17

So, basically, I'm just a whining middle-aged bloke.

9:21:179:21:20

I think it's fine. I just needed to be told that.

9:21:229:21:24

HEAVY BREATHING

9:21:289:21:30

Something has to make you feel good and clothes make me feel good.

9:21:469:21:50

And why shouldn't a guy of almost 70 wear pink shoes, if he wants to wear pink shoes?

9:21:509:21:55

No reason at all. So, it's just something that keeps me happy.

9:21:559:21:59

And so few things do. So, bugger it!

9:21:599:22:03

Most people would just think a bath is just something you do,

9:22:339:22:37

but when you can't have 'em, you really see the benefit of having 'em.

9:22:379:22:42

It takes you out of yourself for a while.

9:22:429:22:46

It's another diversion to stop you thinking about bloody dying.

9:22:469:22:50

You're laying here warm and comfortable and the bubbles are going. And it's grand fun!

9:22:509:22:57

We'll start off me funeral with All Things Bright And Beautiful.

9:23:119:23:15

Then we move onto It Ain't Necessarily So.

9:23:159:23:18

Then, we have Pluck It.

9:23:189:23:20

And then we go out, as I go through the curtains, we're going out to The Internationale.

9:23:209:23:26

And that'll wind a few up!

9:23:269:23:27

Aye, lots of people I'd like to say goodbye to, I don't see anymore.

9:23:419:23:47

I either can't get to where they are

9:23:499:23:52

or I'm frightened to go to where they are.

9:23:529:23:55

They don't come to me.

9:23:579:23:59

That's the saddest bit of my life at the minute, it's...

9:23:599:24:03

..that I just don't see people any longer.

9:24:079:24:09

We had some wonderful times with the bikes. We did the Beaujolais run.

9:24:139:24:17

We were in each other's pockets for years and it's...it's all gone.

9:24:179:24:23

But...that's the way life goes, I suppose.

9:24:249:24:28

Where do I find joy?

9:24:379:24:38

Sitting and holding me wife's hand.

9:24:409:24:42

Sometimes it's nice just to sit and hold hands.

9:24:429:24:47

It's lovely and comforting and...

9:24:479:24:50

..I think...no, I might well up...no! OK?

9:24:509:24:54

OK?

9:24:569:24:57

Enough!

9:24:589:24:59

EXHALES

9:25:029:25:03

You can't...

9:25:089:25:09

..you don't ever accept that you're dying.

9:25:189:25:22

You can't.

9:25:279:25:29

Yeah, you can't take it in.

9:25:309:25:32

And then sometimes, it just does.

9:25:349:25:36

CLEARS THROAT

9:25:389:25:39

MUSIC

9:25:569:26:00

Well, I mean, what is this problem people have with death, right?

9:26:149:26:17

I mean...it's our natural state.

9:26:179:26:21

Time began 13 billion years ago, whatever, with The Big Bang.

9:26:219:26:26

I was dead, actually, at that time.

9:26:269:26:28

And so I was right up until... right up until 1947, when...

9:26:289:26:34

..I started trying to puzzle things out, you know.

9:26:369:26:39

And now after this brief glimpse at this...vast universe, I'm going back to that.

9:26:399:26:46

I've had 13 billion years of practise!

9:26:469:26:49

BLUES MUSIC

9:27:039:27:06

In January, legendary Dr Feelgood guitarist Wilko Johnson was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer

9:27:119:27:17

and given nine months to live.

9:27:179:27:19

But it was his attitude to that prognosis that caught the attention of the world's media.

9:27:199:27:24

I always have been a miserable so-and-so and we walked out of the hospital

9:27:269:27:31

and the sky was very bright and seeing the trees against the sky, you know?

9:27:319:27:39

Fucking hell, man, it looks so good! And I just felt this...

9:27:399:27:43

..elation.

9:27:459:27:47

I thought, "you are alive!"

9:27:479:27:49

And you can walk out on the street and the very paving stones seem to be shimmering, you know?

9:27:499:27:56

Like it's, er...wow!

9:27:569:27:59

I mean, I realise my attitude may seem unusual or something, but it seems to be

9:28:009:28:05

a very logical attitude.

9:28:059:28:08

I mean, erm...everybody's going to die, you know.

9:28:089:28:13

And I've got the advantage of knowing it's worked out for me.

9:28:139:28:18

Because death is something you always looked at as something in the indefinite future.

9:28:209:28:26

I'm sure that when you're 95, you will be thinking the same thing. It's...it's...

9:28:269:28:31

And...

9:28:319:28:33

..me, it's going to be...

9:28:349:28:37

..I don't know, a few months or something?

9:28:399:28:42

"But, if it be not now, then 'tis to come.

9:28:429:28:47

"If it be not to come, then 'twill be now.

9:28:479:28:50

"But if it be not now, yet it will come."

9:28:509:28:55

Hamlet, you see. He was right. It's true for everybody - it will come.

9:28:559:28:59

MUSIC: "Johnny Be Goode"

9:29:019:29:03

We finished the set with this song, Bye-Bye, Johnny.

9:29:109:29:14

The crowd is all below you. It was really rammed and they're all going "Bye, bye, bye."

9:29:149:29:22

And I tell you what, you could have waxed very sentimental over this, right, but it didn't.

9:29:229:29:28

That was a buzz!

9:29:289:29:30

Because it was such a great piece of showbusiness!

9:29:309:29:33

Everybody's crying and that. It's fantastic!

9:29:339:29:37

# Goodbye, Johnny, be goode. #

9:29:399:29:41

Thank you! Goodnight!

9:29:559:29:58

..and goodbye.

9:29:589:29:59

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

9:29:599:30:00

Yes! Spot on. Wait until you see the cufflinks.

9:30:159:30:20

Somebody said I was a, sort of, champagne Socialist.

9:30:209:30:23

I'm not, I'm a champagne Communist!

9:30:239:30:25

LAUGHS

9:30:259:30:28

-Brilliant!

->

9:30:289:30:29

My hairdresser, Andrew...

9:30:309:30:32

..he's about 6 foot 3 and broad and if he finds you've buggered it up,

9:30:339:30:40

he'll beat you all over the place!

9:30:409:30:42

LAUGHTER

9:30:429:30:43

CHEERING

9:30:459:30:47

You look amazing.

9:30:569:30:57

Thank you very much.

9:30:579:30:59

Wish I could say the same about you, with your terrible eye.

9:30:599:31:02

LAUGHTER

9:31:029:31:04

Straighten your head.

9:31:049:31:05

-My assistants now love you, do you know that?

-That's OK.

9:31:059:31:09

Straighten your head a little that way...

9:31:099:31:11

Drop your shoulders a little bit, if you can.

9:31:119:31:13

Breathing is a problem with that.

9:31:139:31:15

-Oh, really?

-Yeah.

-Do you have to have them up?

9:31:159:31:17

-I tend to.

-Go on, then, put them up.

9:31:179:31:19

No, it's all right, I 'll keep them down.

9:31:199:31:21

-Can you put your hands up still?

-Yeah, yeah.

-That's great.

9:31:219:31:25

And leaning to me a little... That's great, yeah, good.

9:31:259:31:29

And take the light a bit higher.

9:31:319:31:32

Just push your chin out a little for me. That's gorgeous.

9:31:329:31:36

-Can I have a break for a minute?

-Yeah, cool.

9:31:389:31:41

Sorry, it's keeping my shoulders down.

9:31:419:31:43

Yeah, sorry, I didn't realise.

9:31:439:31:45

-I think I've got it.

-Sure?

9:31:469:31:48

-I'm going to show you and see what you think.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

9:31:489:31:52

Here you go.

9:31:529:31:53

-Oh, I like that. I DO like that! Isn't that lovely?

-I really like it.

9:31:549:32:00

-That is super.

-And I like your eyes in it.

9:32:009:32:03

HE LAUGHS

9:32:039:32:04

-Oh, impressed!

-Good!

9:32:049:32:06

Are you happy with it?

9:32:069:32:08

-I'm very, very happy with it.

-Good.

9:32:089:32:10

I think it captures something about you.

9:32:109:32:13

-I'm ever so pleased with that, I must admit.

-Are you?

-Yeah.

9:32:139:32:16

Oh, that's brilliant!

9:32:169:32:19

You're a clever bugger, aren't you?

9:32:199:32:21

You've got the best eyes in the world.

9:32:279:32:29

If you can maybe bring one hand up here. Like that, yeah.

9:32:299:32:33

And lean this way a bit more...

9:32:339:32:35

Do you think, as an artist, like, you contemplated death in the past?

9:32:399:32:45

Do you think that prepares you more for it, at all?

9:32:459:32:49

My wife died of cancer, I think nearly nine years ago now.

9:32:499:32:55

We were together for 40 years and I love her still.

9:32:559:32:59

It was just this terrible thing, you know, that I knew she was going.

9:33:029:33:08

I might be sitting down here and she was upstairs in bed.

9:33:089:33:12

And I'm thinking, "Man, she's... Wow!"

9:33:129:33:15

So I'd go up and sit with her and thinking, "Stop the clock!"

9:33:159:33:18

-You know? She's here! She's going to go.

-Slow down time.

9:33:189:33:21

Yeah. Stop it, stop it! You know, but, of course...

9:33:219:33:25

it inevitably happens.

9:33:259:33:27

Now put your chin right out.

9:33:289:33:30

That's great.

9:33:309:33:31

I do believe we have a soul, but I don't believe it's immortal.

9:33:319:33:35

And I think consciousness is a product

9:33:359:33:37

of this organ in our heads, you know,

9:33:379:33:40

and once that stops, there's no more consciousness and no more soul.

9:33:409:33:44

If I thought that I would see Irene again, when I die,

9:33:469:33:49

I would have killed myself nine years ago, you know, so...

9:33:499:33:53

..I'll find out.

9:33:569:33:57

Well, I won't find out, will I? Cos I won't be here to find out.

9:33:579:34:00

HE LAUGHS

9:34:009:34:01

It's a big...yeah, it's a tricky one, a tricky one.

9:34:019:34:04

MUSIC: "One Kind Favour"

9:34:049:34:05

# You know it's one kind favour I'll ask to you

9:34:059:34:10

# You know it's one kind favour I'll ask to you

9:34:109:34:17

# One kind favour I'll ask to you

9:34:179:34:22

# See that my grave is kept clean... #

9:34:229:34:28

Hello!

9:34:539:34:54

Hello, it is very nice to meet you.

9:34:549:34:57

Lovely to meet you, I've been so excited to meet you!

9:34:579:34:59

Oh, I am very excited to meet you! I am very happy to meet you.

9:34:599:35:03

I am a Hungarian camp survivor,

9:35:079:35:11

slave-labour survivor

9:35:119:35:13

and death march survivor.

9:35:139:35:16

So I survived quite a lot in my life.

9:35:169:35:20

So you've looked death in the eye a few times?

9:35:209:35:23

More than one time.

9:35:239:35:25

First of all, I looked death in the eye

9:35:279:35:32

when we arrived in the camp.

9:35:329:35:35

-Which camp were you in?

-Auschwitz.

-Auschwitz.

9:35:359:35:38

The life was so difficult, we had no food.

9:35:439:35:47

We... How we slept,

9:35:489:35:52

even animals would not sleep like that.

9:35:529:35:56

We were not taken for humans.

9:36:009:36:03

Their aim was to kill us.

9:36:059:36:08

-Yeah.

-It was an upside-down world -

9:36:089:36:13

bad was good, good was bad.

9:36:139:36:17

Killing was OK, that was the norm.

9:36:179:36:19

When you helped somebody, when you tried to be kind to somebody,

9:36:219:36:25

you were punished for that.

9:36:259:36:27

So the situation was so bad,

9:36:309:36:34

that, in a way, you wanted to die.

9:36:349:36:37

But when you went before the Germans

9:36:379:36:41

and you know, you can be selected now,

9:36:419:36:44

and they take you now to be killed,

9:36:449:36:47

somehow, then, you were afraid.

9:36:479:36:51

Right.

9:36:519:36:52

That shows how strong is life.

9:36:529:36:56

Now, life must be so amazing?

9:37:119:37:17

It is.

9:37:179:37:19

I appreciate life, every moment,

9:37:199:37:23

because I knew I get a second chance.

9:37:239:37:27

Cos you seem a very optimistic person.

9:37:279:37:30

What I have learned from this is take everything how it comes.

9:37:309:37:36

In one word - to be tolerant to each other.

9:37:369:37:41

Uh-huh, yeah.

9:37:419:37:43

If somebody is different than you,

9:37:439:37:48

it does not mean that he is better or worse - just different.

9:37:489:37:54

But one thing is sure for all of us humans -

9:37:559:37:59

our blood is red and if you cut it, it hurts.

9:37:599:38:03

Are you scared of death now?

9:38:149:38:17

No, I am not afraid of, no.

9:38:209:38:23

I have children.

9:38:239:38:25

I never believed that I would be a mother,

9:38:259:38:28

-not grandmother, great-grandmother...

-Yeah.

9:38:289:38:31

How did that make you feel when you were nursing your first child?

9:38:319:38:35

You created life. That feeling must have been...

9:38:359:38:39

That was really the first thing that really belonged to you.

9:38:399:38:43

Because they took away everything -

9:38:439:38:45

your family, they killed your family. They took everything.

9:38:459:38:48

So the first thing really who belonged to you was the first baby.

9:38:489:38:53

-So that was...

-How did that make you feel?

9:38:539:38:57

You cannot describe.

9:38:589:39:00

You're asking me something that I cannot.

9:39:019:39:04

Simply, I cannot describe it.

9:39:069:39:08

There's no hate there.

9:39:189:39:20

She'd taken away, from the most inhumane circumstances,

9:39:209:39:24

from being that close to death, tolerance.

9:39:249:39:27

I mean, how you can take that away from that, to me, is...bizarre.

9:39:279:39:31

She's determined and optimistic and positive

9:39:339:39:37

and has taken tolerance as a lesson.

9:39:379:39:41

What an inspirational person.

9:39:439:39:45

Something that struck me about Lily's home

9:39:469:39:48

is that she surrounds herself with photographs.

9:39:489:39:51

They're everywhere you look,

9:39:519:39:53

and they remind you of what she says - of how precious life is.

9:39:539:39:57

I didn't meet any of the people in these images,

9:39:579:40:00

her children or grandchildren,

9:40:009:40:02

but I couldn't help but think that none of them would have existed

9:40:029:40:05

if she hadn't survived.

9:40:059:40:07

Those photos, snapshots or not, have the potency I'm talking about.

9:40:079:40:12

What I've learned is that everyone's going to die,

9:40:189:40:21

and all these photographs are going to mean something when people die.

9:40:219:40:24

When I die, they're going to mean something else,

9:40:249:40:26

when the people in them die, they're going to mean something else.

9:40:269:40:29

So if you go to the show and you look at them,

9:40:299:40:32

you can't help but think about life and death.

9:40:329:40:36

These photographs have a potency,

9:40:379:40:40

because I've put that title on them, Alive: In The Face Of Death.

9:40:409:40:45

And, actually, forget all the cameras and the lighting.

9:40:459:40:48

It's engaging with people and them giving you something.

9:40:489:40:51

All these people have given me something.

9:40:519:40:54

And I've wrapped it up and put it in a photograph.

9:40:549:40:56

And that's what's brilliant about it.

9:40:569:40:58

And that's what I love about my job, that I get to do that.

9:40:589:41:00

I'm sure I'm going to get criticised for it, but I don't care...

9:41:029:41:06

..because I feel really good about this one.

9:41:079:41:10

The reason I was interested in this, in the first place,

9:41:539:41:56

was cos...a very simple thing, to start with, was the title.

9:41:569:42:00

It was called Alive: In The Face Of Death, and I just thought,

9:42:009:42:04

"Well, that really chimes with what I'm trying to say."

9:42:049:42:07

You know, just because you acquire a terminal disease or whatever,

9:42:079:42:13

it doesn't mean that you stop being yourself.

9:42:139:42:15

It doesn't mean that you stop living.

9:42:159:42:18

That's the way I look at it.

9:42:189:42:20

You have beautiful days, you know.

9:42:269:42:28

When you're going through something really grim

9:42:289:42:30

and then, you go out and you have a fantastic day,

9:42:309:42:33

you just appreciate it all that much more.

9:42:339:42:36

And...so it's not all grim and depressing and horrible and painful.

9:42:369:42:41

There's really beautiful things that come out of these situations.

9:42:419:42:46

It's weird, cos, at the moment, I feel fine.

9:43:189:43:21

And my friends tell me I look the same.

9:43:219:43:24

You know, I have these things inside me

9:43:249:43:27

that are, one day, going to kill me, um...

9:43:279:43:30

But...

9:43:329:43:33

Yeah, I'm making time for the things I want to make time for.

9:43:349:43:39

Was it Hemmingway that said that,

9:43:439:43:44

when you love someone, there's never a happy end to it?

9:43:449:43:48

But, actually, I think he was also saying

9:43:499:43:52

that, you know, your life is incredibly more fulfilling

9:43:529:43:56

when there's somebody in it that you love

9:43:569:43:58

and that you're sharing it with. And...

9:43:589:44:01

..that's definitely how I've felt.

9:44:039:44:05

'When you love someone, you want to take away hurt,

9:44:109:44:12

'you don't want to give hurt.'

9:44:129:44:14

And I'm giving hurt to quite a lot of people I love.

9:44:149:44:19

And...that's why I'm crying,

9:44:209:44:24

because, when I first found out the news,

9:44:249:44:27

from the doctor, that there's nothing they can do about my cancer this time,

9:44:279:44:34

you know, probably one of the first thoughts I had

9:44:349:44:37

was about my mum and dad and Al.

9:44:379:44:40

And we got home to our flat

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and I couldn't stop imagining Al having to walk into our flat

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for the first time with me gone, because I was thinking...

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I was imagining myself doing that.

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I've probably taken more photos than I've ever done,

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I've always taken a lot of photos, but I've taken lots of photos over the last few months.

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I'm recording everything.

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Yeah, I suppose I'm thinking about it, thinking, you know,

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this is the only thing that I'm going to really have left

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which is going to be so tangible of Lou.

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But...

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'I couldn't have done any of this without Al.'

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He needs to...know that it's OK...

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..to let me go.

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But I've told him I'll be watching over him

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and if he does anything wrong, I'm going to haunt him!

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And I will.

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SHE LAUGHS

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I love her. I think she's such an incredible person,

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who's not afraid of her emotions, either.

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She's not afraid to not be happy.

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That's really beautiful.

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'She's very close to her emotions.'

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Just let it go.

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Beautiful.

9:46:569:46:57

That's really wonderful.

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-You OK?

-Yeah, I'm all right.

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Just seeing all those photographs appear on screen

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and you can't quite believe it's yourself,

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and that it's Rankin that's taken them.

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And, you know, you're aware that it's a very special,

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like, one-off event,

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and that this isn't going to happen again.

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You know, so that makes me want to kind of cry,

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cos that was quite special.

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I think that these are really, really exciting.

9:47:509:47:54

I think they are fantastic.

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I'm really hoping that I'll make the exhibition in May,

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that's my next goal.

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We all look, you know, prettily done up

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and, you know, lovely for the show,

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but the foundation of it is not really like that, is it?

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Some people are here,

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they're suffering, whilst they're going round.

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Some on the verge of dying.

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And it's, you know, it's close to home.

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But I'm not going to cry tonight.

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I want to remain the image that I'm portraying.

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I love it. And do you know what?

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I even love the middle photo more than the other two,

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which I'm shocked about.

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It's real and it shows my strength.

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It's good. It looks serious, doesn't it? You know what I mean?

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Looks like a guy who's got some thoughts on his mind.

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It just shows you!

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HE LAUGHS

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It, literally, took my breath away when I first saw it,

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it's absolutely wonderful.

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I must admit I love watching people coming up and looking at it,

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and then dashing in and saying, "Have you seen the cufflinks? Have you seen the cufflinks?"

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That goes down well and all!

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I don't think any of us feel like we're dying, you know.

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For me, I mean, I'm living. That's my view.

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And I'm living more than I was before.

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So if cancer's done that, then, you know, what can I say?

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I just think it's amazing.

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I'm really glad to be a part of it. Really, really glad.

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Yeah, there have been times when I didn't think I'd get this far.

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I mean, it's May, it's crazy.

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I mean, I remember coming out of the shoot and saying,

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"Oh, I'm so happy, you know, if I die today, I'm just so happy."

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But then, of course, the next day, I changed my mind

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and I was like, "Actually, no, I want to go to the exhibition."

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So, yeah, it's been special for me, on that level, yeah.

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I've made it.

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