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Just lean forward a little bit like that, that's good. | 8:53:55 | 8:53:59 | |
That's fab, hon. | 8:53:59 | 8:54:01 | |
'Seven years ago, my parents died, | 8:54:04 | 8:54:07 | |
'really quickly, within three weeks of each other. | 8:54:07 | 8:54:10 | |
'It struck me, as I was sifting through all their old photographs, | 8:54:14 | 8:54:19 | |
'remembering my mum and dad, | 8:54:19 | 8:54:21 | |
'that my whole idea of photography began to crystallise. | 8:54:21 | 8:54:24 | |
'When you take a photograph, in that moment that you click the shutter, | 8:54:26 | 8:54:30 | |
'you're capturing life. | 8:54:30 | 8:54:32 | |
'It's a memory that you've made of somebody.' | 8:54:32 | 8:54:34 | |
That's good, that's exactly what we want. | 8:54:34 | 8:54:37 | |
'You're not intentionally commemorating them. | 8:54:37 | 8:54:39 | |
'It's just a snapshot. | 8:54:39 | 8:54:42 | |
'But when that person dies, the photographs become something else. | 8:54:42 | 8:54:47 | |
'Suddenly, they have a potency.' | 8:54:47 | 8:54:49 | |
I want to explore that. | 8:55:00 | 8:55:02 | |
I want to push myself and take my work somewhere new. | 8:55:02 | 8:55:06 | |
And I want to come to terms with my parents death | 8:55:06 | 8:55:09 | |
in the only way I know how, through photography. | 8:55:09 | 8:55:12 | |
So I had this idea to do an exhibition about death...and life. | 8:55:12 | 8:55:18 | |
I want to photograph people who are staring death in the face | 8:55:18 | 8:55:21 | |
and see what I can learn from them about life. | 8:55:21 | 8:55:24 | |
You only get one chance to live, to express yourself. | 8:55:31 | 8:55:36 | |
We can taste, we can feel. | 8:55:36 | 8:55:38 | |
We can feel each other's love. It's amazing. | 8:55:38 | 8:55:43 | |
That's what it should be. | 8:55:43 | 8:55:44 | |
All the things that normally I'd be worrying about or | 8:55:45 | 8:55:49 | |
what would be bringing me down, you suddenly realise it doesn't matter. | 8:55:49 | 8:55:52 | |
It just doesn't matter any more! | 8:55:52 | 8:55:54 | |
It doesn't matter what's happened in the past, it doesn't matter | 8:55:54 | 8:55:56 | |
what's going to happen in the future, because there is no future. | 8:55:56 | 8:56:00 | |
You... You are alive. | 8:56:00 | 8:56:03 | |
It doesn't mean that all I want to do is sit around | 8:56:03 | 8:56:06 | |
and have deep and meaningful discussions all the time. | 8:56:06 | 8:56:09 | |
That's not what happens when you get cancer. | 8:56:09 | 8:56:12 | |
That's not what happens when you think you're, | 8:56:12 | 8:56:15 | |
well, you know you're going to die. | 8:56:15 | 8:56:17 | |
You either look at the fact that you're dying and cry about it, | 8:56:17 | 8:56:24 | |
or you look at the fact you're dying and laugh about it. | 8:56:24 | 8:56:27 | |
And inevitably, it's nicer laughing than crying, isn't it? | 8:56:27 | 8:56:32 | |
Things begin, grow, alive, end. | 8:56:33 | 8:56:38 | |
It's the most ordinary thing in the world. Why be frightened of it? | 8:56:40 | 8:56:44 | |
After my parents passed away, we got all the photo albums. | 8:56:57 | 8:57:02 | |
They didn't take a lot of photographs. | 8:57:04 | 8:57:08 | |
They were under-exposed, badly-shot photos. | 8:57:08 | 8:57:12 | |
That's a good picture of my dad. That was what my dad was like. | 8:57:14 | 8:57:18 | |
Always the joker. | 8:57:18 | 8:57:19 | |
They passed away six years ago | 8:57:23 | 8:57:27 | |
and I'm only just really coming to terms with them not being here. | 8:57:27 | 8:57:32 | |
I feel a, kind of, responsibility to my son | 8:57:35 | 8:57:38 | |
and to my family that... I make sure I prepare them | 8:57:38 | 8:57:46 | |
for my passing away. | 8:57:46 | 8:57:49 | |
And I guess that's why I wanted to do the project, just to stare | 8:57:51 | 8:57:56 | |
death in the face a bit and ask yourself a few questions about it. | 8:57:56 | 8:58:04 | |
So I'm going back to my roots. | 8:58:10 | 8:58:12 | |
I want to photograph real people, with real problems, | 8:58:12 | 8:58:16 | |
people who are facing one of the biggest challenges of all - | 8:58:16 | 8:58:18 | |
their own death. | 8:58:18 | 8:58:20 | |
When I get ready in the night, when I put my wig on, I feel ultra-glam. | 8:58:25 | 8:58:29 | |
And when I take it off, I don't. | 8:58:29 | 8:58:32 | |
So this is what I look like if I take my wig off. | 8:58:32 | 8:58:37 | |
I'm being brave, but that's it. | 8:58:37 | 8:58:40 | |
That's my bit of growth from my chemo. | 8:58:40 | 8:58:43 | |
I don't like it, I'm putting my wig back on, thank you. | 8:58:43 | 8:58:48 | |
And everybody says to me, | 8:59:02 | 8:59:03 | |
"Oh, you're more glamorous now than you used to be." | 8:59:03 | 8:59:06 | |
So, cancer forced me to be glamorous. | 8:59:06 | 8:59:09 | |
I love Lesley. | 8:59:13 | 8:59:15 | |
Lesley is full of an incredible amount of self-belief, | 8:59:15 | 8:59:20 | |
with a very healthy dose of self-criticism. | 8:59:20 | 8:59:25 | |
I've only got one eyelash on. | 8:59:25 | 8:59:27 | |
HE LAUGHS | 8:59:27 | 8:59:30 | |
You look great. | 8:59:30 | 8:59:31 | |
-Do I? -Yeah. -We're trying to look like Kim. | 8:59:31 | 8:59:34 | |
-Kim Kardashian? -Yeah. | 8:59:34 | 8:59:37 | |
If I don't look like her at the end of this, there'll be trouble. | 8:59:37 | 8:59:42 | |
Why do you want to look like Kim Kardashian? | 8:59:42 | 8:59:43 | |
I think she's really pretty. | 8:59:43 | 8:59:45 | |
That's one picture that I actually think is cute of myself. | 8:59:48 | 8:59:51 | |
I look like a boy most of the time, but I like that one | 8:59:51 | 8:59:55 | |
because I've got bunches in. I look cute. | 8:59:55 | 8:59:59 | |
I was adopted when I was seven days old and grew up feeling | 9:00:00 | 9:00:06 | |
very different and lonely, | 9:00:06 | 9:00:12 | |
and always wondering where I was from | 9:00:13 | 9:00:16 | |
and why I was being bullied at school. | 9:00:16 | 9:00:18 | |
Why I was bigger than everyone else, | 9:00:18 | 9:00:21 | |
why I was darker than everyone else, and I had no answers. | 9:00:21 | 9:00:25 | |
It was just "in" to be blonde and blue-eyed, | 9:00:25 | 9:00:28 | |
and if you were anything other than that, you were a freak. | 9:00:28 | 9:00:30 | |
The social workers used to come and say, "What's the prognosis?" | 9:00:52 | 9:00:56 | |
and I said, "Oh, I'm going to get better." | 9:00:56 | 9:00:58 | |
They said, "Who told you that, the doctor?" | 9:00:58 | 9:01:00 | |
I said, "No, me." | 9:01:00 | 9:01:02 | |
And she was like, "Well..." As if to say, "Who are you?" | 9:01:02 | 9:01:06 | |
Do you know what I mean?! | 9:01:06 | 9:01:07 | |
And I thought, "Well, I'm me, actually." | 9:01:07 | 9:01:11 | |
So I thought... And I'm in charge | 9:01:11 | 9:01:14 | |
of whether I'm going to get better or not. | 9:01:14 | 9:01:16 | |
And one day, she was due to come, I felt rough, | 9:01:16 | 9:01:19 | |
I was being sick, I thought, "Oh, God!" | 9:01:19 | 9:01:22 | |
But I did it. I put make-up on, wig on and I opened that door | 9:01:22 | 9:01:27 | |
and she just went, "Oh, you've proved us all wrong, haven't you!" | 9:01:27 | 9:01:33 | |
And I thought, "Result! Result!" | 9:01:33 | 9:01:35 | |
It was only a wig and a bit of make-up, but she believed me. | 9:01:35 | 9:01:40 | |
It's the wig! The wig saved the day again. | 9:01:40 | 9:01:44 | |
Hmmm. I don't like myself on pictures. | 9:01:45 | 9:01:49 | |
Why not? You look great. | 9:01:49 | 9:01:51 | |
-I don't know. -You look beautiful. | 9:01:51 | 9:01:54 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 9:01:56 | 9:01:58 | |
-Do you not like them? -No. | 9:01:58 | 9:02:00 | |
We could do that. | 9:02:01 | 9:02:02 | |
That's nice, what have you done to it? | 9:02:02 | 9:02:05 | |
That is just so much better. | 9:02:05 | 9:02:07 | |
HE LAUGHS | 9:02:07 | 9:02:09 | |
In't it, though? | 9:02:09 | 9:02:11 | |
I tell you what, we could do something like that, | 9:02:11 | 9:02:13 | |
then do something more real that goes with it. | 9:02:13 | 9:02:16 | |
What's interesting for me, and for other people, | 9:02:18 | 9:02:20 | |
is that when you see the pictures of her she doesn't really look ill. | 9:02:20 | 9:02:24 | |
It's not until she takes the wig off that there is a hint of how she is. | 9:02:24 | 9:02:28 | |
Shall we take your wig off, then? | 9:02:28 | 9:02:30 | |
Go on, then. | 9:02:30 | 9:02:31 | |
Oh, God! | 9:02:31 | 9:02:34 | |
-I would never normally have my hair like this. -Oh, wow! | 9:02:34 | 9:02:37 | |
Just let me say that. | 9:02:37 | 9:02:39 | |
-But it looks great! -No way! -It looks great like that! | 9:02:39 | 9:02:43 | |
Her whole personality is just full of energy and positivity. | 9:02:45 | 9:02:50 | |
She's great to be around. You come away feeling a bit exhausted by her! | 9:02:50 | 9:02:55 | |
That's great. Really look in the lens, | 9:02:55 | 9:02:57 | |
-almost like you're talking to the camera. -OK. | 9:02:57 | 9:03:01 | |
Talking inside, to the person who's looking at your picture. | 9:03:01 | 9:03:03 | |
Tell them your story with your eyes. | 9:03:03 | 9:03:06 | |
That's great, I love that. | 9:03:06 | 9:03:07 | |
Hmmm. I feel nervous. | 9:03:09 | 9:03:11 | |
Don't feel nervous, you're going to look amazing, don't worry. | 9:03:11 | 9:03:15 | |
I love that one. | 9:03:18 | 9:03:20 | |
I think you look like a French movie star. | 9:03:20 | 9:03:22 | |
What do you think? | 9:03:22 | 9:03:25 | |
I've had better pictures. | 9:03:25 | 9:03:27 | |
Like, from me... | 9:03:27 | 9:03:29 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 9:03:29 | 9:03:31 | |
-..from me mobile phone. -Tell us about it. | 9:03:31 | 9:03:34 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 9:03:34 | 9:03:35 | |
Where's me phone? | 9:03:35 | 9:03:37 | |
I'll show you the ones. | 9:03:37 | 9:03:38 | |
It just bleaches you out and you look like you're 12 years old. | 9:03:38 | 9:03:41 | |
That's why I like it! | 9:03:41 | 9:03:43 | |
-Because it makes you look really young? -Yes! | 9:03:43 | 9:03:45 | |
That looks absolutely awful and I look like a convict. | 9:03:45 | 9:03:50 | |
I can't be beaten by a mobile phone. | 9:03:51 | 9:03:55 | |
Can I get the Leica, please? | 9:03:55 | 9:03:57 | |
ISO 400, 2.8, 125. You'll probably be fine. | 9:03:57 | 9:04:01 | |
Please let me put my wig on? | 9:04:01 | 9:04:03 | |
What was interesting is that, right from the beginning, | 9:04:05 | 9:04:08 | |
she didn't feel comfortable in front of the camera. | 9:04:08 | 9:04:11 | |
And a lot of beautiful people have that, where they're quite analytical | 9:04:11 | 9:04:14 | |
of themselves, and she looked very sad, her eyes looked very sad. | 9:04:14 | 9:04:19 | |
But then she just wanted | 9:04:19 | 9:04:21 | |
to look like she was Wonder Woman, Katie Price. | 9:04:21 | 9:04:25 | |
Do your face that you do. | 9:04:25 | 9:04:28 | |
-What face? -The camera phone. | 9:04:28 | 9:04:30 | |
Oh, the camera phone! | 9:04:30 | 9:04:32 | |
Hang on, let me... Just a minute, let me think. | 9:04:32 | 9:04:36 | |
Right. | 9:04:36 | 9:04:37 | |
'It's just a pity, because it's all pre-conceived notions of what's beautiful, | 9:04:37 | 9:04:41 | |
'and to me that's not what's beautiful about her. | 9:04:41 | 9:04:44 | |
'What's beautiful is her incredible personality | 9:04:44 | 9:04:47 | |
'and her really cutting sense of humour.' | 9:04:47 | 9:04:49 | |
Ooooh, look at that! Now, see, that's what I'm talking about! | 9:04:50 | 9:04:54 | |
That is what I'm talking about! | 9:04:55 | 9:04:58 | |
Who knows me better than me? | 9:04:58 | 9:05:01 | |
That's amazing, I need a copy of that, I just love it. | 9:05:01 | 9:05:06 | |
Do you not agree, though? | 9:05:06 | 9:05:08 | |
Well, no, I think... | 9:05:08 | 9:05:10 | |
I feel that this was more about you fighting something, | 9:05:10 | 9:05:15 | |
whereas this one's you trying to look glamorous. | 9:05:15 | 9:05:20 | |
But does every woman not want to look glamorous? | 9:05:20 | 9:05:24 | |
I don't want you to be unhappy with your photo. | 9:05:24 | 9:05:26 | |
I'm unhappy. | 9:05:26 | 9:05:27 | |
See, we're going to clash, we're going to clash. | 9:05:27 | 9:05:31 | |
Can I have both? Please? | 9:05:31 | 9:05:34 | |
I'll let you have that one, if you let me have that one? | 9:05:34 | 9:05:37 | |
It's a negotiation? | 9:05:37 | 9:05:39 | |
I like that one, you've done well. | 9:05:40 | 9:05:43 | |
But notice how I put my bit in and showed you how to do it? | 9:05:43 | 9:05:47 | |
You certainly did. | 9:05:49 | 9:05:51 | |
To me, once you've died... | 9:05:53 | 9:05:55 | |
..it's all about your soul, not your body. | 9:05:56 | 9:05:59 | |
They can do what they want with my body, | 9:05:59 | 9:06:01 | |
I don't care, I'm not here anymore, I'm not in it. I've gone. | 9:06:01 | 9:06:04 | |
Back to where I belong. | 9:06:06 | 9:06:07 | |
Back to home. | 9:06:08 | 9:06:10 | |
Do you like that? | 9:06:11 | 9:06:13 | |
I'm happy. You've done well. | 9:06:13 | 9:06:15 | |
Thank you. | 9:06:15 | 9:06:16 | |
How much do I get paid for this? | 9:06:16 | 9:06:18 | |
Joking. It was a joke. | 9:06:20 | 9:06:23 | |
Normally people pay me. | 9:06:23 | 9:06:25 | |
It's very therapeutic to start with, digging around in earth. | 9:06:43 | 9:06:48 | |
I think we have a connection to the earth. All human beings have. | 9:06:50 | 9:06:54 | |
And just planting things and seeing them grow, really. | 9:06:57 | 9:07:01 | |
There we are. | 9:07:01 | 9:07:02 | |
I've got what is called Chinese lanterns, | 9:07:16 | 9:07:19 | |
and when they dry up and die, they make this fantastic little mesh. | 9:07:19 | 9:07:25 | |
It's got a little seed in there, as well. | 9:07:25 | 9:07:28 | |
They're bright orange when they come out. | 9:07:30 | 9:07:33 | |
They don't last long, because they are so delicate. | 9:07:35 | 9:07:39 | |
In March 2005, I had a mastectomy, my right breast went. | 9:08:08 | 9:08:14 | |
In 2007, it spread everywhere. | 9:08:14 | 9:08:17 | |
It spread in my bones, soft tissue, lungs and liver. | 9:08:17 | 9:08:25 | |
After that, I developed a brain tumour on my cerebellum, | 9:08:26 | 9:08:31 | |
the back of my head. I had to have brain surgery. | 9:08:31 | 9:08:35 | |
Then they burned my cancer in my lungs. Then I had a collapsed lung. | 9:08:35 | 9:08:42 | |
I had to stay in hospital for two weeks and got swine flu in hospital. | 9:08:42 | 9:08:46 | |
-Thank you. -What do you want me to do, just pour it in? | 9:08:47 | 9:08:51 | |
SHE PANTS REPEATEDLY | 9:08:51 | 9:08:54 | |
Thank you. | 9:08:54 | 9:08:56 | |
-Are you all right? -Yeah. | 9:08:56 | 9:08:57 | |
It's like King Canute pushing the wave back. | 9:08:58 | 9:09:01 | |
-Can you stand there, like that? -Yeah, that's great. | 9:09:06 | 9:09:10 | |
Just reflector please. | 9:09:10 | 9:09:12 | |
Yeah, I'd like the eyes closed for one, as well. | 9:09:12 | 9:09:15 | |
Do you want me to take this off? | 9:09:15 | 9:09:17 | |
Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's a good idea, for one shot, | 9:09:17 | 9:09:19 | |
it might be interesting. | 9:09:19 | 9:09:21 | |
-How's that? -Yeah, that's great. | 9:09:21 | 9:09:22 | |
It's not a disease that is outside. It's inside. | 9:09:24 | 9:09:28 | |
And most of it I disguise, | 9:09:29 | 9:09:31 | |
because I don't want other people to worry about me. | 9:09:31 | 9:09:35 | |
Just push your chin out a little, hon. | 9:09:35 | 9:09:38 | |
That's it, and down a little. | 9:09:38 | 9:09:40 | |
I don't want their pity. I don't want that. | 9:09:40 | 9:09:43 | |
Because if I take on their pity then it's going to make me feel or think, | 9:09:43 | 9:09:49 | |
"Oh, yeah, I'm a poor girl, what I have to deal with." | 9:09:49 | 9:09:55 | |
Then I can't continue any more. | 9:09:55 | 9:09:57 | |
I'm still here, | 9:09:58 | 9:10:00 | |
and I'm kicking and I'm fighting to get as much out of life as possible. | 9:10:00 | 9:10:07 | |
And in the end, we all go to the same place. | 9:10:07 | 9:10:09 | |
All of us. It's just a matter of time. | 9:10:09 | 9:10:13 | |
It's quite strange, actually, because when you've always been into | 9:10:35 | 9:10:38 | |
sport and fitness and that sort of thing, and enjoyed life to the full, | 9:10:38 | 9:10:42 | |
to all of a sudden be told that you're... | 9:10:42 | 9:10:45 | |
For want of a better word, dying. | 9:10:45 | 9:10:48 | |
It's quite a strange feeling. | 9:10:48 | 9:10:50 | |
I went and met my daughter for lunch, who's 18. | 9:11:25 | 9:11:29 | |
The first thing I said was, | 9:11:29 | 9:11:31 | |
"If I said to you, quality or quantity, what would you say?" | 9:11:31 | 9:11:35 | |
And Charlotte said, "Quality." | 9:11:35 | 9:11:37 | |
She said, "Why do you ask?" And I told her the situation. | 9:11:37 | 9:11:40 | |
And she said, "Well, I'd like you to say quality, as well." | 9:11:40 | 9:11:43 | |
When I was diagnosed, I was told | 9:11:43 | 9:11:45 | |
that I probably had about five years to live. | 9:11:45 | 9:11:47 | |
But instead of turning my energy inwards, | 9:11:47 | 9:11:49 | |
I wanted to project it out, to help people, really. | 9:11:49 | 9:11:53 | |
And I started up a charity called Climbers Against Cancer, | 9:11:53 | 9:11:55 | |
or CAC for short. | 9:11:55 | 9:11:57 | |
I've already raised somewhere in the region of £75,000. | 9:11:57 | 9:12:00 | |
Cancer's a big word. | 9:12:01 | 9:12:03 | |
It's too big actually, it shouldn't be that big. | 9:12:03 | 9:12:05 | |
It's a terrible disease, a lot of people die of it, | 9:12:05 | 9:12:08 | |
but people are really frightened of cancer. | 9:12:08 | 9:12:10 | |
And what I wanted to do was create a sort of vibrancy around cancer, | 9:12:10 | 9:12:15 | |
create a happiness, so people can see that, you know, | 9:12:15 | 9:12:18 | |
here's a guy that's got terminal cancer, I'm just a regular guy, | 9:12:18 | 9:12:21 | |
but I can deal with it the way I deal with it, | 9:12:21 | 9:12:24 | |
and I can smile all the way through it. | 9:12:24 | 9:12:25 | |
I'm not saying I'm happy all the time, | 9:12:25 | 9:12:27 | |
but predominantly, I can be really happy and love life as you should. | 9:12:27 | 9:12:32 | |
I'm really quite humbled by the whole thing, because | 9:12:33 | 9:12:37 | |
little old me, in little old Ribchester in the Ribble Valley, | 9:12:37 | 9:12:42 | |
comes up with an idea that's affecting people around the world. | 9:12:42 | 9:12:45 | |
It's really quite rewarding. | 9:12:45 | 9:12:47 | |
It's really important to me that Charlotte can look back | 9:12:48 | 9:12:52 | |
and think, you know, "My dad were a cool guy." | 9:12:52 | 9:12:54 | |
Now that's me nearly getting upset, there. | 9:12:56 | 9:12:59 | |
I'm considering myself as an Amazonian Indian woman. | 9:13:22 | 9:13:27 | |
You know, the Amazonians purposely cut off their breasts, | 9:13:27 | 9:13:32 | |
so they could shoot their arrows? | 9:13:32 | 9:13:35 | |
That's true! Yeah, that is actually true. | 9:13:35 | 9:13:39 | |
And I thought, "Well it's only a bit of flesh, it's not that important." | 9:13:39 | 9:13:42 | |
It should symbolise the inner strength that comes through me, | 9:13:44 | 9:13:49 | |
how I want to deal with this. | 9:13:49 | 9:13:51 | |
That I'm fighting to the bitter end. I'm not giving up. | 9:13:51 | 9:13:54 | |
I see a warrior. I see someone battling her illness, that will win. | 9:13:57 | 9:14:02 | |
She may die in the process, but she'll still be a winner. | 9:14:04 | 9:14:09 | |
John brings a new dimension to optimism. | 9:14:27 | 9:14:31 | |
I think he's the kind of person that I wanted to do the project to meet, really. | 9:14:31 | 9:14:36 | |
He's the sort of person that I thought we'd come across, | 9:14:36 | 9:14:39 | |
but he's almost liked pumped, amplified, he's like a steroid version of optimistic. | 9:14:39 | 9:14:46 | |
Yeah, really looking through the lens. | 9:14:47 | 9:14:49 | |
The thing about CAC I really like is the minute you say it, you smile. | 9:14:52 | 9:14:55 | |
Know what I mean? You can't...CAC, it makes you...it makes you smile. | 9:14:55 | 9:15:00 | |
-It's cheerful. -Yeah. It's fun, but... | 9:15:00 | 9:15:05 | |
We all know there's a serious side to it, though. | 9:15:06 | 9:15:08 | |
-But you can't let that get to you. -No, of course not. | 9:15:10 | 9:15:13 | |
How do you stop it getting to you though? | 9:15:16 | 9:15:18 | |
You wake up every morning with a smile on your face. | 9:15:18 | 9:15:21 | |
Is that how you get, sort of, through it? | 9:15:21 | 9:15:24 | |
Yeah, yeah. It's terminal, but you can't moan about it. | 9:15:24 | 9:15:27 | |
He's my perfect subject, really - a golden ticket of subjects, | 9:15:27 | 9:15:33 | |
because he comes out and makes you feel at ease | 9:15:33 | 9:15:36 | |
talking about something that's very hard to discuss. | 9:15:36 | 9:15:40 | |
And then, on top of that, he takes the mickey out of it. | 9:15:40 | 9:15:43 | |
Do me! Do me! He's going to do me! Do me. | 9:15:43 | 9:15:46 | |
Actually I'll shoot it, I'll shoot it. | 9:15:46 | 9:15:48 | |
That's great, do me. | 9:15:48 | 9:15:50 | |
He's brilliant, but very hard for me to photograph, because I couldn't work out what would be meaningful | 9:15:50 | 9:15:56 | |
to the people who'd see the shots, and to him. | 9:15:56 | 9:15:59 | |
Can you tip your glasses to the side? | 9:15:59 | 9:16:01 | |
He did try a few pictures that were a bit "Eric Morecambe" looking. | 9:16:03 | 9:16:07 | |
I wasn't sure if that was... really me, as such. | 9:16:07 | 9:16:11 | |
I like natural humour rather than contrived humour, if you will. | 9:16:11 | 9:16:15 | |
I think we need to do something like that with you. | 9:16:16 | 9:16:19 | |
You're so...you're not a serious per-... I mean... | 9:16:19 | 9:16:22 | |
No, I find it hard to be serious. | 9:16:22 | 9:16:25 | |
Try the other way, try the other way. | 9:16:26 | 9:16:29 | |
Very good. OK, good, well done. That's brilliant. | 9:16:29 | 9:16:32 | |
Come and have a look at that. | 9:16:34 | 9:16:35 | |
So you couldn't do two together? | 9:16:38 | 9:16:40 | |
I could do two together or I could do you facing each other, which could be quite nice. | 9:16:40 | 9:16:45 | |
It's almost like one person is looking at another person, | 9:16:45 | 9:16:49 | |
you know what I mean, in the mirror? | 9:16:49 | 9:16:51 | |
I think he went for a great shot cos he referred to the fun one as him, | 9:16:57 | 9:17:03 | |
and the other one, as his life with cancer, which I thought was quite... | 9:17:03 | 9:17:08 | |
..quite...quite emotional, really. | 9:17:09 | 9:17:13 | |
I'm not normally like this. I don't normally bring myself into projects quite as much. | 9:17:28 | 9:17:33 | |
But this one, I've just gone inside my own head. | 9:17:33 | 9:17:37 | |
Kind of a self-obsession, about my own personal mortality. | 9:17:37 | 9:17:43 | |
And I'm trying really hard to process that, get it out of me, | 9:17:43 | 9:17:48 | |
and just doing these things gets it out. | 9:17:48 | 9:17:51 | |
The skull has always been this symbol of death, | 9:17:53 | 9:17:56 | |
but it's been sort of hijacked by the fashion world.' | 9:17:56 | 9:17:59 | |
You see it everywhere - T-shirts, perfume bottles, jewellery. | 9:17:59 | 9:18:03 | |
It's, kind of, lost that original meaning. | 9:18:03 | 9:18:06 | |
So I wanted to play with that a bit by doing some self-portraits, | 9:18:06 | 9:18:10 | |
even though I know it's going to make me look totally self-obsessed. | 9:18:10 | 9:18:14 | |
CAMERA SHUTTER | 9:18:14 | 9:18:16 | |
I guess this probably is the most indulgent I can be. | 9:18:16 | 9:18:19 | |
Of all the people I've photographed writer Diana Athill is one of the most impressive. | 9:18:45 | 9:18:49 | |
She's lived a long and full life... | 9:18:49 | 9:18:53 | |
KNOCKING | 9:18:51 | 9:18:53 | |
..and is coming closer to her own death, something she's written about candidly. | 9:18:53 | 9:18:57 | |
Hello, Rankin, how nice to see you again. | 9:18:57 | 9:18:59 | |
-Hi, Diana, how are you. -I'm all right, come on in. | 9:18:59 | 9:19:03 | |
-You look really well. -So do you. | 9:19:03 | 9:19:07 | |
And what's the point of this programme, what is it that you're trying to get at? | 9:19:09 | 9:19:13 | |
The core of it is that I'm scared of death, and I've realised, | 9:19:13 | 9:19:19 | |
through my parents passing away, that I'm scared of death. | 9:19:19 | 9:19:22 | |
I remember when I was very young... | 9:19:22 | 9:19:24 | |
..I think it was Montaigne who said everyone ought to spend 15 minutes | 9:19:26 | 9:19:30 | |
every day thinking about death, so they're used to the idea. | 9:19:30 | 9:19:33 | |
And I thought, "that's rather sensible!" | 9:19:33 | 9:19:36 | |
And it seemed to me, very quickly, that it was a part of life. | 9:19:36 | 9:19:41 | |
Even enormous mountains, they have a beginning, | 9:19:41 | 9:19:45 | |
they come up to their best and then they wear away and then they die. | 9:19:45 | 9:19:50 | |
Everything does. | 9:19:50 | 9:19:52 | |
That's the pattern of how life works and if it didn't work like that, God knows where we'd be. | 9:19:52 | 9:19:57 | |
-So that it can't be, if it's SO completely universal, it can't be that bad... -Hm. | 9:19:58 | 9:20:05 | |
..is how it struck me. | 9:20:05 | 9:20:07 | |
It's the most ordinary thing in the world. Why be frightened of it? | 9:20:07 | 9:20:11 | |
There's things I think I'll miss, you know, I'm going to miss... | 9:20:11 | 9:20:15 | |
like, a sunrise. | 9:20:15 | 9:20:17 | |
You won't miss it, darling, because you won't be there to miss it! | 9:20:17 | 9:20:21 | |
I remember a friend of mine who felt it very strongly. | 9:20:22 | 9:20:28 | |
He would wake up in the night and say "I'm going to die. How awful! | 9:20:28 | 9:20:34 | |
"And all those fucking birds will still go on singing!" | 9:20:35 | 9:20:39 | |
LAUGHTER | 9:20:39 | 9:20:41 | |
I said, well, that's what cheers me up! | 9:20:41 | 9:20:44 | |
I like to think... | 9:20:44 | 9:20:45 | |
All the birds singing. | 9:20:45 | 9:20:47 | |
..all the birds go on singing, babies go on being born, life goes on. | 9:20:47 | 9:20:52 | |
It doesn't make me feel bad, it makes me feel better. | 9:20:52 | 9:20:55 | |
It made him feel furious, he wanted them all to stop! | 9:20:55 | 9:20:59 | |
A lot of what I'm talking about is just this selfish notion of how important my death is to me. | 9:20:59 | 9:21:05 | |
It's not really going to be that important to anyone else! | 9:21:05 | 9:21:08 | |
It's going to be very important to other people - | 9:21:08 | 9:21:11 | |
more important to other people, than it is to you, actually, | 9:21:11 | 9:21:14 | |
because they're going to know about it. | 9:21:14 | 9:21:17 | |
So, basically, I'm just a whining middle-aged bloke. | 9:21:17 | 9:21:20 | |
I think it's fine. I just needed to be told that. | 9:21:22 | 9:21:24 | |
HEAVY BREATHING | 9:21:28 | 9:21:30 | |
Something has to make you feel good and clothes make me feel good. | 9:21:46 | 9:21:50 | |
And why shouldn't a guy of almost 70 wear pink shoes, if he wants to wear pink shoes? | 9:21:50 | 9:21:55 | |
No reason at all. So, it's just something that keeps me happy. | 9:21:55 | 9:21:59 | |
And so few things do. So, bugger it! | 9:21:59 | 9:22:03 | |
Most people would just think a bath is just something you do, | 9:22:33 | 9:22:37 | |
but when you can't have 'em, you really see the benefit of having 'em. | 9:22:37 | 9:22:42 | |
It takes you out of yourself for a while. | 9:22:42 | 9:22:46 | |
It's another diversion to stop you thinking about bloody dying. | 9:22:46 | 9:22:50 | |
You're laying here warm and comfortable and the bubbles are going. And it's grand fun! | 9:22:50 | 9:22:57 | |
We'll start off me funeral with All Things Bright And Beautiful. | 9:23:11 | 9:23:15 | |
Then we move onto It Ain't Necessarily So. | 9:23:15 | 9:23:18 | |
Then, we have Pluck It. | 9:23:18 | 9:23:20 | |
And then we go out, as I go through the curtains, we're going out to The Internationale. | 9:23:20 | 9:23:26 | |
And that'll wind a few up! | 9:23:26 | 9:23:27 | |
Aye, lots of people I'd like to say goodbye to, I don't see anymore. | 9:23:41 | 9:23:47 | |
I either can't get to where they are | 9:23:49 | 9:23:52 | |
or I'm frightened to go to where they are. | 9:23:52 | 9:23:55 | |
They don't come to me. | 9:23:57 | 9:23:59 | |
That's the saddest bit of my life at the minute, it's... | 9:23:59 | 9:24:03 | |
..that I just don't see people any longer. | 9:24:07 | 9:24:09 | |
We had some wonderful times with the bikes. We did the Beaujolais run. | 9:24:13 | 9:24:17 | |
We were in each other's pockets for years and it's...it's all gone. | 9:24:17 | 9:24:23 | |
But...that's the way life goes, I suppose. | 9:24:24 | 9:24:28 | |
Where do I find joy? | 9:24:37 | 9:24:38 | |
Sitting and holding me wife's hand. | 9:24:40 | 9:24:42 | |
Sometimes it's nice just to sit and hold hands. | 9:24:42 | 9:24:47 | |
It's lovely and comforting and... | 9:24:47 | 9:24:50 | |
..I think...no, I might well up...no! OK? | 9:24:50 | 9:24:54 | |
OK? | 9:24:56 | 9:24:57 | |
Enough! | 9:24:58 | 9:24:59 | |
EXHALES | 9:25:02 | 9:25:03 | |
You can't... | 9:25:08 | 9:25:09 | |
..you don't ever accept that you're dying. | 9:25:18 | 9:25:22 | |
You can't. | 9:25:27 | 9:25:29 | |
Yeah, you can't take it in. | 9:25:30 | 9:25:32 | |
And then sometimes, it just does. | 9:25:34 | 9:25:36 | |
CLEARS THROAT | 9:25:38 | 9:25:39 | |
MUSIC | 9:25:56 | 9:26:00 | |
Well, I mean, what is this problem people have with death, right? | 9:26:14 | 9:26:17 | |
I mean...it's our natural state. | 9:26:17 | 9:26:21 | |
Time began 13 billion years ago, whatever, with The Big Bang. | 9:26:21 | 9:26:26 | |
I was dead, actually, at that time. | 9:26:26 | 9:26:28 | |
And so I was right up until... right up until 1947, when... | 9:26:28 | 9:26:34 | |
..I started trying to puzzle things out, you know. | 9:26:36 | 9:26:39 | |
And now after this brief glimpse at this...vast universe, I'm going back to that. | 9:26:39 | 9:26:46 | |
I've had 13 billion years of practise! | 9:26:46 | 9:26:49 | |
BLUES MUSIC | 9:27:03 | 9:27:06 | |
In January, legendary Dr Feelgood guitarist Wilko Johnson was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer | 9:27:11 | 9:27:17 | |
and given nine months to live. | 9:27:17 | 9:27:19 | |
But it was his attitude to that prognosis that caught the attention of the world's media. | 9:27:19 | 9:27:24 | |
I always have been a miserable so-and-so and we walked out of the hospital | 9:27:26 | 9:27:31 | |
and the sky was very bright and seeing the trees against the sky, you know? | 9:27:31 | 9:27:39 | |
Fucking hell, man, it looks so good! And I just felt this... | 9:27:39 | 9:27:43 | |
..elation. | 9:27:45 | 9:27:47 | |
I thought, "you are alive!" | 9:27:47 | 9:27:49 | |
And you can walk out on the street and the very paving stones seem to be shimmering, you know? | 9:27:49 | 9:27:56 | |
Like it's, er...wow! | 9:27:56 | 9:27:59 | |
I mean, I realise my attitude may seem unusual or something, but it seems to be | 9:28:00 | 9:28:05 | |
a very logical attitude. | 9:28:05 | 9:28:08 | |
I mean, erm...everybody's going to die, you know. | 9:28:08 | 9:28:13 | |
And I've got the advantage of knowing it's worked out for me. | 9:28:13 | 9:28:18 | |
Because death is something you always looked at as something in the indefinite future. | 9:28:20 | 9:28:26 | |
I'm sure that when you're 95, you will be thinking the same thing. It's...it's... | 9:28:26 | 9:28:31 | |
And... | 9:28:31 | 9:28:33 | |
..me, it's going to be... | 9:28:34 | 9:28:37 | |
..I don't know, a few months or something? | 9:28:39 | 9:28:42 | |
"But, if it be not now, then 'tis to come. | 9:28:42 | 9:28:47 | |
"If it be not to come, then 'twill be now. | 9:28:47 | 9:28:50 | |
"But if it be not now, yet it will come." | 9:28:50 | 9:28:55 | |
Hamlet, you see. He was right. It's true for everybody - it will come. | 9:28:55 | 9:28:59 | |
MUSIC: "Johnny Be Goode" | 9:29:01 | 9:29:03 | |
We finished the set with this song, Bye-Bye, Johnny. | 9:29:10 | 9:29:14 | |
The crowd is all below you. It was really rammed and they're all going "Bye, bye, bye." | 9:29:14 | 9:29:22 | |
And I tell you what, you could have waxed very sentimental over this, right, but it didn't. | 9:29:22 | 9:29:28 | |
That was a buzz! | 9:29:28 | 9:29:30 | |
Because it was such a great piece of showbusiness! | 9:29:30 | 9:29:33 | |
Everybody's crying and that. It's fantastic! | 9:29:33 | 9:29:37 | |
# Goodbye, Johnny, be goode. # | 9:29:39 | 9:29:41 | |
Thank you! Goodnight! | 9:29:55 | 9:29:58 | |
..and goodbye. | 9:29:58 | 9:29:59 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 9:29:59 | 9:30:00 | |
Yes! Spot on. Wait until you see the cufflinks. | 9:30:15 | 9:30:20 | |
Somebody said I was a, sort of, champagne Socialist. | 9:30:20 | 9:30:23 | |
I'm not, I'm a champagne Communist! | 9:30:23 | 9:30:25 | |
LAUGHS | 9:30:25 | 9:30:28 | |
-Brilliant! -> | 9:30:28 | 9:30:29 | |
My hairdresser, Andrew... | 9:30:30 | 9:30:32 | |
..he's about 6 foot 3 and broad and if he finds you've buggered it up, | 9:30:33 | 9:30:40 | |
he'll beat you all over the place! | 9:30:40 | 9:30:42 | |
LAUGHTER | 9:30:42 | 9:30:43 | |
CHEERING | 9:30:45 | 9:30:47 | |
You look amazing. | 9:30:56 | 9:30:57 | |
Thank you very much. | 9:30:57 | 9:30:59 | |
Wish I could say the same about you, with your terrible eye. | 9:30:59 | 9:31:02 | |
LAUGHTER | 9:31:02 | 9:31:04 | |
Straighten your head. | 9:31:04 | 9:31:05 | |
-My assistants now love you, do you know that? -That's OK. | 9:31:05 | 9:31:09 | |
Straighten your head a little that way... | 9:31:09 | 9:31:11 | |
Drop your shoulders a little bit, if you can. | 9:31:11 | 9:31:13 | |
Breathing is a problem with that. | 9:31:13 | 9:31:15 | |
-Oh, really? -Yeah. -Do you have to have them up? | 9:31:15 | 9:31:17 | |
-I tend to. -Go on, then, put them up. | 9:31:17 | 9:31:19 | |
No, it's all right, I 'll keep them down. | 9:31:19 | 9:31:21 | |
-Can you put your hands up still? -Yeah, yeah. -That's great. | 9:31:21 | 9:31:25 | |
And leaning to me a little... That's great, yeah, good. | 9:31:25 | 9:31:29 | |
And take the light a bit higher. | 9:31:31 | 9:31:32 | |
Just push your chin out a little for me. That's gorgeous. | 9:31:32 | 9:31:36 | |
-Can I have a break for a minute? -Yeah, cool. | 9:31:38 | 9:31:41 | |
Sorry, it's keeping my shoulders down. | 9:31:41 | 9:31:43 | |
Yeah, sorry, I didn't realise. | 9:31:43 | 9:31:45 | |
-I think I've got it. -Sure? | 9:31:46 | 9:31:48 | |
-I'm going to show you and see what you think. -Yeah? -Yeah. | 9:31:48 | 9:31:52 | |
Here you go. | 9:31:52 | 9:31:53 | |
-Oh, I like that. I DO like that! Isn't that lovely? -I really like it. | 9:31:54 | 9:32:00 | |
-That is super. -And I like your eyes in it. | 9:32:00 | 9:32:03 | |
HE LAUGHS | 9:32:03 | 9:32:04 | |
-Oh, impressed! -Good! | 9:32:04 | 9:32:06 | |
Are you happy with it? | 9:32:06 | 9:32:08 | |
-I'm very, very happy with it. -Good. | 9:32:08 | 9:32:10 | |
I think it captures something about you. | 9:32:10 | 9:32:13 | |
-I'm ever so pleased with that, I must admit. -Are you? -Yeah. | 9:32:13 | 9:32:16 | |
Oh, that's brilliant! | 9:32:16 | 9:32:19 | |
You're a clever bugger, aren't you? | 9:32:19 | 9:32:21 | |
You've got the best eyes in the world. | 9:32:27 | 9:32:29 | |
If you can maybe bring one hand up here. Like that, yeah. | 9:32:29 | 9:32:33 | |
And lean this way a bit more... | 9:32:33 | 9:32:35 | |
Do you think, as an artist, like, you contemplated death in the past? | 9:32:39 | 9:32:45 | |
Do you think that prepares you more for it, at all? | 9:32:45 | 9:32:49 | |
My wife died of cancer, I think nearly nine years ago now. | 9:32:49 | 9:32:55 | |
We were together for 40 years and I love her still. | 9:32:55 | 9:32:59 | |
It was just this terrible thing, you know, that I knew she was going. | 9:33:02 | 9:33:08 | |
I might be sitting down here and she was upstairs in bed. | 9:33:08 | 9:33:12 | |
And I'm thinking, "Man, she's... Wow!" | 9:33:12 | 9:33:15 | |
So I'd go up and sit with her and thinking, "Stop the clock!" | 9:33:15 | 9:33:18 | |
-You know? She's here! She's going to go. -Slow down time. | 9:33:18 | 9:33:21 | |
Yeah. Stop it, stop it! You know, but, of course... | 9:33:21 | 9:33:25 | |
it inevitably happens. | 9:33:25 | 9:33:27 | |
Now put your chin right out. | 9:33:28 | 9:33:30 | |
That's great. | 9:33:30 | 9:33:31 | |
I do believe we have a soul, but I don't believe it's immortal. | 9:33:31 | 9:33:35 | |
And I think consciousness is a product | 9:33:35 | 9:33:37 | |
of this organ in our heads, you know, | 9:33:37 | 9:33:40 | |
and once that stops, there's no more consciousness and no more soul. | 9:33:40 | 9:33:44 | |
If I thought that I would see Irene again, when I die, | 9:33:46 | 9:33:49 | |
I would have killed myself nine years ago, you know, so... | 9:33:49 | 9:33:53 | |
..I'll find out. | 9:33:56 | 9:33:57 | |
Well, I won't find out, will I? Cos I won't be here to find out. | 9:33:57 | 9:34:00 | |
HE LAUGHS | 9:34:00 | 9:34:01 | |
It's a big...yeah, it's a tricky one, a tricky one. | 9:34:01 | 9:34:04 | |
MUSIC: "One Kind Favour" | 9:34:04 | 9:34:05 | |
# You know it's one kind favour I'll ask to you | 9:34:05 | 9:34:10 | |
# You know it's one kind favour I'll ask to you | 9:34:10 | 9:34:17 | |
# One kind favour I'll ask to you | 9:34:17 | 9:34:22 | |
# See that my grave is kept clean... # | 9:34:22 | 9:34:28 | |
Hello! | 9:34:53 | 9:34:54 | |
Hello, it is very nice to meet you. | 9:34:54 | 9:34:57 | |
Lovely to meet you, I've been so excited to meet you! | 9:34:57 | 9:34:59 | |
Oh, I am very excited to meet you! I am very happy to meet you. | 9:34:59 | 9:35:03 | |
I am a Hungarian camp survivor, | 9:35:07 | 9:35:11 | |
slave-labour survivor | 9:35:11 | 9:35:13 | |
and death march survivor. | 9:35:13 | 9:35:16 | |
So I survived quite a lot in my life. | 9:35:16 | 9:35:20 | |
So you've looked death in the eye a few times? | 9:35:20 | 9:35:23 | |
More than one time. | 9:35:23 | 9:35:25 | |
First of all, I looked death in the eye | 9:35:27 | 9:35:32 | |
when we arrived in the camp. | 9:35:32 | 9:35:35 | |
-Which camp were you in? -Auschwitz. -Auschwitz. | 9:35:35 | 9:35:38 | |
The life was so difficult, we had no food. | 9:35:43 | 9:35:47 | |
We... How we slept, | 9:35:48 | 9:35:52 | |
even animals would not sleep like that. | 9:35:52 | 9:35:56 | |
We were not taken for humans. | 9:36:00 | 9:36:03 | |
Their aim was to kill us. | 9:36:05 | 9:36:08 | |
-Yeah. -It was an upside-down world - | 9:36:08 | 9:36:13 | |
bad was good, good was bad. | 9:36:13 | 9:36:17 | |
Killing was OK, that was the norm. | 9:36:17 | 9:36:19 | |
When you helped somebody, when you tried to be kind to somebody, | 9:36:21 | 9:36:25 | |
you were punished for that. | 9:36:25 | 9:36:27 | |
So the situation was so bad, | 9:36:30 | 9:36:34 | |
that, in a way, you wanted to die. | 9:36:34 | 9:36:37 | |
But when you went before the Germans | 9:36:37 | 9:36:41 | |
and you know, you can be selected now, | 9:36:41 | 9:36:44 | |
and they take you now to be killed, | 9:36:44 | 9:36:47 | |
somehow, then, you were afraid. | 9:36:47 | 9:36:51 | |
Right. | 9:36:51 | 9:36:52 | |
That shows how strong is life. | 9:36:52 | 9:36:56 | |
Now, life must be so amazing? | 9:37:11 | 9:37:17 | |
It is. | 9:37:17 | 9:37:19 | |
I appreciate life, every moment, | 9:37:19 | 9:37:23 | |
because I knew I get a second chance. | 9:37:23 | 9:37:27 | |
Cos you seem a very optimistic person. | 9:37:27 | 9:37:30 | |
What I have learned from this is take everything how it comes. | 9:37:30 | 9:37:36 | |
In one word - to be tolerant to each other. | 9:37:36 | 9:37:41 | |
Uh-huh, yeah. | 9:37:41 | 9:37:43 | |
If somebody is different than you, | 9:37:43 | 9:37:48 | |
it does not mean that he is better or worse - just different. | 9:37:48 | 9:37:54 | |
But one thing is sure for all of us humans - | 9:37:55 | 9:37:59 | |
our blood is red and if you cut it, it hurts. | 9:37:59 | 9:38:03 | |
Are you scared of death now? | 9:38:14 | 9:38:17 | |
No, I am not afraid of, no. | 9:38:20 | 9:38:23 | |
I have children. | 9:38:23 | 9:38:25 | |
I never believed that I would be a mother, | 9:38:25 | 9:38:28 | |
-not grandmother, great-grandmother... -Yeah. | 9:38:28 | 9:38:31 | |
How did that make you feel when you were nursing your first child? | 9:38:31 | 9:38:35 | |
You created life. That feeling must have been... | 9:38:35 | 9:38:39 | |
That was really the first thing that really belonged to you. | 9:38:39 | 9:38:43 | |
Because they took away everything - | 9:38:43 | 9:38:45 | |
your family, they killed your family. They took everything. | 9:38:45 | 9:38:48 | |
So the first thing really who belonged to you was the first baby. | 9:38:48 | 9:38:53 | |
-So that was... -How did that make you feel? | 9:38:53 | 9:38:57 | |
You cannot describe. | 9:38:58 | 9:39:00 | |
You're asking me something that I cannot. | 9:39:01 | 9:39:04 | |
Simply, I cannot describe it. | 9:39:06 | 9:39:08 | |
There's no hate there. | 9:39:18 | 9:39:20 | |
She'd taken away, from the most inhumane circumstances, | 9:39:20 | 9:39:24 | |
from being that close to death, tolerance. | 9:39:24 | 9:39:27 | |
I mean, how you can take that away from that, to me, is...bizarre. | 9:39:27 | 9:39:31 | |
She's determined and optimistic and positive | 9:39:33 | 9:39:37 | |
and has taken tolerance as a lesson. | 9:39:37 | 9:39:41 | |
What an inspirational person. | 9:39:43 | 9:39:45 | |
Something that struck me about Lily's home | 9:39:46 | 9:39:48 | |
is that she surrounds herself with photographs. | 9:39:48 | 9:39:51 | |
They're everywhere you look, | 9:39:51 | 9:39:53 | |
and they remind you of what she says - of how precious life is. | 9:39:53 | 9:39:57 | |
I didn't meet any of the people in these images, | 9:39:57 | 9:40:00 | |
her children or grandchildren, | 9:40:00 | 9:40:02 | |
but I couldn't help but think that none of them would have existed | 9:40:02 | 9:40:05 | |
if she hadn't survived. | 9:40:05 | 9:40:07 | |
Those photos, snapshots or not, have the potency I'm talking about. | 9:40:07 | 9:40:12 | |
What I've learned is that everyone's going to die, | 9:40:18 | 9:40:21 | |
and all these photographs are going to mean something when people die. | 9:40:21 | 9:40:24 | |
When I die, they're going to mean something else, | 9:40:24 | 9:40:26 | |
when the people in them die, they're going to mean something else. | 9:40:26 | 9:40:29 | |
So if you go to the show and you look at them, | 9:40:29 | 9:40:32 | |
you can't help but think about life and death. | 9:40:32 | 9:40:36 | |
These photographs have a potency, | 9:40:37 | 9:40:40 | |
because I've put that title on them, Alive: In The Face Of Death. | 9:40:40 | 9:40:45 | |
And, actually, forget all the cameras and the lighting. | 9:40:45 | 9:40:48 | |
It's engaging with people and them giving you something. | 9:40:48 | 9:40:51 | |
All these people have given me something. | 9:40:51 | 9:40:54 | |
And I've wrapped it up and put it in a photograph. | 9:40:54 | 9:40:56 | |
And that's what's brilliant about it. | 9:40:56 | 9:40:58 | |
And that's what I love about my job, that I get to do that. | 9:40:58 | 9:41:00 | |
I'm sure I'm going to get criticised for it, but I don't care... | 9:41:02 | 9:41:06 | |
..because I feel really good about this one. | 9:41:07 | 9:41:10 | |
The reason I was interested in this, in the first place, | 9:41:53 | 9:41:56 | |
was cos...a very simple thing, to start with, was the title. | 9:41:56 | 9:42:00 | |
It was called Alive: In The Face Of Death, and I just thought, | 9:42:00 | 9:42:04 | |
"Well, that really chimes with what I'm trying to say." | 9:42:04 | 9:42:07 | |
You know, just because you acquire a terminal disease or whatever, | 9:42:07 | 9:42:13 | |
it doesn't mean that you stop being yourself. | 9:42:13 | 9:42:15 | |
It doesn't mean that you stop living. | 9:42:15 | 9:42:18 | |
That's the way I look at it. | 9:42:18 | 9:42:20 | |
You have beautiful days, you know. | 9:42:26 | 9:42:28 | |
When you're going through something really grim | 9:42:28 | 9:42:30 | |
and then, you go out and you have a fantastic day, | 9:42:30 | 9:42:33 | |
you just appreciate it all that much more. | 9:42:33 | 9:42:36 | |
And...so it's not all grim and depressing and horrible and painful. | 9:42:36 | 9:42:41 | |
There's really beautiful things that come out of these situations. | 9:42:41 | 9:42:46 | |
It's weird, cos, at the moment, I feel fine. | 9:43:18 | 9:43:21 | |
And my friends tell me I look the same. | 9:43:21 | 9:43:24 | |
You know, I have these things inside me | 9:43:24 | 9:43:27 | |
that are, one day, going to kill me, um... | 9:43:27 | 9:43:30 | |
But... | 9:43:32 | 9:43:33 | |
Yeah, I'm making time for the things I want to make time for. | 9:43:34 | 9:43:39 | |
Was it Hemmingway that said that, | 9:43:43 | 9:43:44 | |
when you love someone, there's never a happy end to it? | 9:43:44 | 9:43:48 | |
But, actually, I think he was also saying | 9:43:49 | 9:43:52 | |
that, you know, your life is incredibly more fulfilling | 9:43:52 | 9:43:56 | |
when there's somebody in it that you love | 9:43:56 | 9:43:58 | |
and that you're sharing it with. And... | 9:43:58 | 9:44:01 | |
..that's definitely how I've felt. | 9:44:03 | 9:44:05 | |
'When you love someone, you want to take away hurt, | 9:44:10 | 9:44:12 | |
'you don't want to give hurt.' | 9:44:12 | 9:44:14 | |
And I'm giving hurt to quite a lot of people I love. | 9:44:14 | 9:44:19 | |
And...that's why I'm crying, | 9:44:20 | 9:44:24 | |
because, when I first found out the news, | 9:44:24 | 9:44:27 | |
from the doctor, that there's nothing they can do about my cancer this time, | 9:44:27 | 9:44:34 | |
you know, probably one of the first thoughts I had | 9:44:34 | 9:44:37 | |
was about my mum and dad and Al. | 9:44:37 | 9:44:40 | |
And we got home to our flat | 9:44:40 | 9:44:43 | |
and I couldn't stop imagining Al having to walk into our flat | 9:44:43 | 9:44:49 | |
for the first time with me gone, because I was thinking... | 9:44:49 | 9:44:55 | |
I was imagining myself doing that. | 9:44:55 | 9:44:57 | |
I've probably taken more photos than I've ever done, | 9:45:02 | 9:45:04 | |
I've always taken a lot of photos, but I've taken lots of photos over the last few months. | 9:45:04 | 9:45:08 | |
I'm recording everything. | 9:45:08 | 9:45:11 | |
Yeah, I suppose I'm thinking about it, thinking, you know, | 9:45:11 | 9:45:16 | |
this is the only thing that I'm going to really have left | 9:45:16 | 9:45:19 | |
which is going to be so tangible of Lou. | 9:45:19 | 9:45:22 | |
But... | 9:45:22 | 9:45:23 | |
'I couldn't have done any of this without Al.' | 9:45:33 | 9:45:37 | |
He needs to...know that it's OK... | 9:45:37 | 9:45:42 | |
..to let me go. | 9:45:46 | 9:45:49 | |
But I've told him I'll be watching over him | 9:45:52 | 9:45:55 | |
and if he does anything wrong, I'm going to haunt him! | 9:45:55 | 9:45:58 | |
And I will. | 9:46:00 | 9:46:02 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 9:46:02 | 9:46:04 | |
I love her. I think she's such an incredible person, | 9:46:23 | 9:46:27 | |
who's not afraid of her emotions, either. | 9:46:27 | 9:46:31 | |
She's not afraid to not be happy. | 9:46:31 | 9:46:34 | |
That's really beautiful. | 9:46:37 | 9:46:38 | |
'She's very close to her emotions.' | 9:46:38 | 9:46:42 | |
Just let it go. | 9:46:49 | 9:46:50 | |
Beautiful. | 9:46:56 | 9:46:57 | |
That's really wonderful. | 9:47:08 | 9:47:10 | |
-You OK? -Yeah, I'm all right. | 9:47:13 | 9:47:15 | |
Just seeing all those photographs appear on screen | 9:47:26 | 9:47:30 | |
and you can't quite believe it's yourself, | 9:47:30 | 9:47:32 | |
and that it's Rankin that's taken them. | 9:47:32 | 9:47:34 | |
And, you know, you're aware that it's a very special, | 9:47:34 | 9:47:38 | |
like, one-off event, | 9:47:38 | 9:47:40 | |
and that this isn't going to happen again. | 9:47:40 | 9:47:42 | |
You know, so that makes me want to kind of cry, | 9:47:42 | 9:47:45 | |
cos that was quite special. | 9:47:45 | 9:47:47 | |
I think that these are really, really exciting. | 9:47:50 | 9:47:54 | |
I think they are fantastic. | 9:47:54 | 9:47:56 | |
I'm really hoping that I'll make the exhibition in May, | 9:47:57 | 9:48:01 | |
that's my next goal. | 9:48:01 | 9:48:03 | |
We all look, you know, prettily done up | 9:50:18 | 9:50:21 | |
and, you know, lovely for the show, | 9:50:21 | 9:50:24 | |
but the foundation of it is not really like that, is it? | 9:50:24 | 9:50:29 | |
Some people are here, | 9:50:29 | 9:50:31 | |
they're suffering, whilst they're going round. | 9:50:31 | 9:50:33 | |
Some on the verge of dying. | 9:50:33 | 9:50:36 | |
And it's, you know, it's close to home. | 9:50:36 | 9:50:38 | |
But I'm not going to cry tonight. | 9:50:41 | 9:50:43 | |
I want to remain the image that I'm portraying. | 9:50:43 | 9:50:47 | |
I love it. And do you know what? | 9:50:50 | 9:50:52 | |
I even love the middle photo more than the other two, | 9:50:52 | 9:50:56 | |
which I'm shocked about. | 9:50:56 | 9:50:57 | |
It's real and it shows my strength. | 9:50:59 | 9:51:02 | |
It's good. It looks serious, doesn't it? You know what I mean? | 9:51:04 | 9:51:08 | |
Looks like a guy who's got some thoughts on his mind. | 9:51:08 | 9:51:11 | |
It just shows you! | 9:51:11 | 9:51:13 | |
HE LAUGHS | 9:51:13 | 9:51:15 | |
It, literally, took my breath away when I first saw it, | 9:51:18 | 9:51:20 | |
it's absolutely wonderful. | 9:51:20 | 9:51:22 | |
I must admit I love watching people coming up and looking at it, | 9:51:22 | 9:51:25 | |
and then dashing in and saying, "Have you seen the cufflinks? Have you seen the cufflinks?" | 9:51:25 | 9:51:29 | |
That goes down well and all! | 9:51:29 | 9:51:30 | |
I don't think any of us feel like we're dying, you know. | 9:51:33 | 9:51:35 | |
For me, I mean, I'm living. That's my view. | 9:51:35 | 9:51:39 | |
And I'm living more than I was before. | 9:51:39 | 9:51:42 | |
So if cancer's done that, then, you know, what can I say? | 9:51:42 | 9:51:46 | |
I just think it's amazing. | 9:51:46 | 9:51:47 | |
I'm really glad to be a part of it. Really, really glad. | 9:51:47 | 9:51:50 | |
Yeah, there have been times when I didn't think I'd get this far. | 9:51:52 | 9:51:55 | |
I mean, it's May, it's crazy. | 9:51:55 | 9:51:57 | |
I mean, I remember coming out of the shoot and saying, | 9:51:57 | 9:52:02 | |
"Oh, I'm so happy, you know, if I die today, I'm just so happy." | 9:52:02 | 9:52:06 | |
But then, of course, the next day, I changed my mind | 9:52:06 | 9:52:10 | |
and I was like, "Actually, no, I want to go to the exhibition." | 9:52:10 | 9:52:15 | |
So, yeah, it's been special for me, on that level, yeah. | 9:52:15 | 9:52:20 | |
I've made it. | 9:52:22 | 9:52:23 | |
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