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Hello, you little charmers!

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We're The Smiths - how d'you do?

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This programme contains some strong language.

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They're the most important, most intelligent,

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most idiosyncratically English and most sorely missed

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pop band of the 1980s.

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If you don't agree with that, you probably think

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they're the most miserable act of the era.

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Each to their own.

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# You shut your mouth

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# How can you say

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# I go about things the wrong way... #

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It was 30 years ago this week that Hand In Glove hit the airwaves,

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announcing the arrival of four lads from Manchester

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who couldn't easily be placed in the pop pigeonholes of the day.

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# Hand in glove

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# The sun shines out of our behinds... #

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The Smiths produced four studio albums in as many years,

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crammed with 16 hit singles.

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Their music made you laugh, cry and think,

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and it left an indelible mark on a generation,

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before taking a bow in 1987,

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leaving behind an exquisite corpse of words,

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images and sounds.

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For me, growing up in Manchester in the 1980s,

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The Smiths were my band. Morrissey was my idol.

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There I am, aged 13, the budding reporter, with him -

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the day I wangled an interview with Morrissey for my school newspaper.

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The Smiths came to mean so much more to me than your average pop group -

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and I wasn't alone.

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They were IT.

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They were as big and as important as The Jam and the Sex Pistols -

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and The Beatles.

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It was just something really refreshing,

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really new, really simple... and beautiful.

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You try to pass on good things to your kids, and a good thing

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to pass on is The Smiths' music and what they stood for.

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There's a lot of guff, romantic guff, talked about rock'n'roll.

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But I do think that The Smiths were a life-changing band -

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certainly changed my life.

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The Smiths were the product of a specific time and place.

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They formed in Manchester in 1982,

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when the post-punk generation were still facing no future,

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as the Iron Lady advanced on the north's traditional industries.

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Unemployment topped 3 million for the first time since the 1930s,

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and if that wasn't bad enough,

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Eurovision was the hot ticket in Harrogate that spring.

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# I could have taken one step further and I would have been there... #

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Against this dismal backdrop of hardship and crap pop music,

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for a lost generation, The Smiths arrived like an answered prayer.

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You've got to see them, for me, anyway,

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in the context of the darkest point of the long, dark night

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of the northern soul, under Thatcher's

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kind of one-woman social experiment

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to crush the north of England underfoot.

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That alienation of people in the north feeling that

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the establishment was against them, the government was against them,

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that was very, very pronounced.

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And then you hear that sound, that sparkling, iridescent guitar sound.

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And that voice, that operatic voice...

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Punctured bicycle on a hillside desolate...

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As a way of saying to the world, "Here we are,"

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it's hard to beat This Charming Man.

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# Punctured bicycle

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# On a hillside desolate

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# Will nature make a man of me yet?

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# When in this charming car

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# This cha-arming man... #

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When I first seen them on Top Of The Pops,

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they were just so odd.

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Johnny Marr looked like this classic rock star -

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you know, the big, red semi-acoustic guitar

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and a turtle-neck, and I was like, wow! And he had a...

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the Brian Jones hairdo.

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Yet Morrissey just looked like

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something that had never been seen before, with the hearing aid

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and flowers hanging out of his back pocket.

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They just kind of exploded, didn't they?

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# I would go out tonight

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# But I haven't got a stitch to wear... #

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The Smiths emerged into this uncertain arena

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that was early '80s Britain like a fully-formed gang,

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and invited you to join - to enter another world, their world.

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And the invitation came directly from their gladioli-wielding leader.

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I feel The Smiths create their world,

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and not many groups do that.

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And you can either go in,

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or you can say, "No, I want Diana Ross instead."

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And it's your choice.

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Here was no ordinary alpha male rock front man.

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Morrissey fearlessly broke the mould,

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and was a beacon to all those struggling to fit

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into the existing '80s stereotypes,

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like market trader and aspiring fashion designer

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Lancashire lad Wayne Hemingway.

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# This charming man... #

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30 years ago, Camden market, you were here with your first stall?

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Yeah, the first stall was just over there in the corner.

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Er, it was a place where...

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All the club culture from all around the UK and Europe

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would come here to buy their old DMs,

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to buy their second-hand long coats, their National Health specs -

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the whole thing of the Morrissey look.

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This was the first time where the idea that you could wear

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your dad's and your mum's or your grandma's clothes

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and mix it with a bit of new, and mix all these different decades,

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and come up with something that was different.

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Who did that speak to at the time,

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who did that allow to come into the tribe?

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Whatever persuasion you were, you know. If you were gay,

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you could like the way that he unbuttoned his shirt,

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and the gladioli. If you were a bit hard, you could like

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the quiff, but it all kind of crossed,

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and he knew what he was doing, but it was how he put it together.

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That's the whole secret of cool,

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is how you take things and you put it together.

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He may have been down with the underground,

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but Morrissey's effortless ascent to pop idol status

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also won the hearts of mainstream kids in Britain.

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But unlike other chart pin-ups,

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Morrissey was also after their minds.

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In Marsden, North Yorkshire, it was the words rather than the image

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that captured the imagination of Simon Armitage.

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The moment I start listening to them,

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I'm transported back to, you know, '83, '84.

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Did it speak to you and where you were in your life at that time?

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It absolutely did. I mean, I don't think I realised it then,

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erm, but...you know, it was the language.

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And I remember listening to Reel Around The Fountain,

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not quite sure what it was about, but thinking,

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nobody else is this smart.

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# It's time the tale were told

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# Of how you took a child

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# And you made him old... #

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It's such a peculiar song. It starts with a confession,

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almost an allegation, you know, "It's time the tale were told..."

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But then it develops into this slightly subversive celebration of,

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you know, sexual awakening and a loss of innocence.

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# 15 minutes with you

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# Well, I wouldn't say no... #

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And it's like a lot of the great Smiths songs, it's a fantasy,

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and it never actually happened.

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It's all about imagining what something would have been like.

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And on that level, it's hugely appealing to anybody

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who's ever felt any kind of loneliness, or...

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that they're on the margin somewhere.

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# Oh, reel around the fountain... #

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The Smiths gave you a sense of, "You're not on your own."

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Well, it was like they were saying "You are on your own,

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"but there's a lot of you out there."

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MUSIC: "Cemetery Gates" by The Smiths

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A song like Cemetery Gates in the hands of another band

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would be a terrible, sort of morbid piece of work.

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What you get instead is two speccy intellectuals

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trying to out-quote each other.

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It's the opposite of what you would expect from somebody of that age

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in a cemetery writing a song.

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Morrissey's songs were packed with hidden meaning for fans

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to discover and debate as his fantasy worlds collided with a very

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real-world around him in post-industrial Manchester.

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# Park the car at the side of the road

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# You should know

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# Time's tide will smother you... #

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The North figured large in these songs.

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They're shot through with a sort of Manchester melodrama.

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These were lyrics just full of the details of everyday, domestic life.

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# When you walk without ease

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# On these

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# Streets where you were raised... #

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'The Smiths joined a long tradition of British literature,

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'theatre and film that can be described as Northern Realism

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'and is epitomised by the British New Wave cinema

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'of the '50s and '60s.'

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'Morrissey particularly was clearly

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'really immersed in that kitchen sink drama,'

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British New Wave, those black-and-white movies like

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Billy Liar and Saturday Night And Sunday Morning,

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and particularly A Taste of Honey.

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A Taste of Honey was first performed in 1958 and written by

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Salford playwright Shelagh Delaney when she was just 18 years old.

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The film adaptation, starring Rita Tushingham,

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brought Delaney national recognition and won a raft of awards.

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Delaney's treatment of issues like race,

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gender and homosexuality and simply her depiction of

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working-class northerners was radical at the time.

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Dream of me.

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Dreamt of you last night.

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-Fell out of bed twice.

-Ta-ra!

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Morrissey's admiration for Shelagh Delaney

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bordered on the excessive.

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In way of tribute, he condensed the entire

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story of A Taste of Honey into the song This Night Has Opened My Eyes.

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# In a river the colour of lead

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# Immerse the baby's head

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# Wrap her up in The News Of the World

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# Dump her on a doorstep, girl... #

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I became very interested in film about people in the North,

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specifically, with their tail trapped in the door, almost,

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trying to get out, trying to get on, trying to be somebody.

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Trying to be seen.

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And I found that very appealing.

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The Smiths' identification with the grit of Northern life gave them

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a harder, darker edge than their chart contemporaries and,

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regardless of whether songs turn up today on movie soundtracks and

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even wedding vows, they'll for ever

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be anchored in those Salford streets.

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They came from these streets and they sounded like it.

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They talked about the bleakness of it and lack of opportunities,

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sometimes, and the miserableness of it,

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but they also talked about the joy.

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They made it beautiful, this place.

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'This bleakly beautiful atmosphere infused all aspects

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'of The Smiths and it was visualised in their distinctive single

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'and album covers, featuring images hand-picked by Morrissey himself.

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'Jo Slee worked at Rough Trade Records

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'and oversaw the design process.'

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Basically, I would receive something like this, so it's effectively

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a very full diagram with notations

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of every single thing that he wanted,

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including the Pantone colours and the typeface

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and whether it was bold or italic.

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Is this normal for a band to send in this level of detail?

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Not in my experience.

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Morrissey had a kind of artistic vision

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that was really unique to him.

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The band themselves never appeared in their artwork.

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Taking the place of the standard group shot was

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a procession of moody photographic portraits.

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Bound together by their grainy, duotone colours,

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and minimal use of text, the gallery of famous and

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not so famous faces - and the odd bum - were an intimate scrapbook

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of pin-ups Morrissey wanted to share with the world.

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The cover stars seem to fall into two camps.

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You have your tough, Northern female,

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sort of uber-Coronation Street characters.

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What does that tell you?

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You tell me. What does that tell you?

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He had a fantasy of what Northern Realism was about

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and the real loving background that they portrayed,

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-but I always had the feeling that he somehow hadn't had that.

-Mmm.

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So there's a kind of nostalgia for something that perhaps

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was never really there.

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# Oh, Mother, I can feel... #

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And with the male icons?

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You can say homoerotic, if you want to,

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but, for me, there was more to it than that.

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# And as I climb into an empty bed

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# Oh, well, enough said... #

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It was about... Perhaps representative

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of who he longed to be,

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what was in his heart, really.

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And that's another thing that makes them beautiful, I think,

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is that they're all about

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what Morrissey used to call his "unusable heart."

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SHE LAUGHS

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Morrissey used the power of the visual image to send

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coded messages to the outside world.

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However, when it came to burning issues that were close

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to his "unusable heart", he was happy to resort

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to a more direct approach.

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Meat is murder. A very direct political message

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and I was already a vegetarian by the time that came out,

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but, you know, it converted a huge number of people to vegetarianism.

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Put me that way for ten years.

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# This beautiful creature must die

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# This beautiful creature must die

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# A death for no reason

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# And death for no reason is murder... #

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We feel that probably music should be used in order to make

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serious statements, because so many groups sell

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masses and masses of records

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and don't raise people's level

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of consciousness in any direction and we find that quite sinful.

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MACHINE SCREECHES

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What The Smiths brought was politics

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that you could actually completely understand.

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Meat is murder.

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Anti-cruelty. Anti-Thatcher.

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It was just a brilliant approach to politics, really.

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If The Smiths were anti-anything,

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it was the entire British establishment,

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particularly the royal family and Thatcher's government.

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Their 1986 album and its title song, The Queen Is Dead,

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was their state of the nation address.

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# The queen is dead, boys

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# And it's so lonely on a limb... #

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The Queen Is Dead I think musically is one of their most powerful

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songs and has got a real sort of

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anger bubbling below the surface.

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For a certain section of people,

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a certain generation of people, that did have a real impact.

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# A crack on the head

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# Is what you get for not asking... #

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Few bands since The Smiths have so openly attacked the state

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and their oppositional stance is still used as a stick to bash

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the powers that be, even if those powers profess to be friends themselves.

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As someone who claims to be an avid fan of The Smiths,

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the Prime Minister will no doubt be rather upset this week to hear

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that both Morrissey and Johnny Marr have banned him from liking them.

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LAUGHTER

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David Cameron purports to be a Smiths fan,

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but I'm very sceptical that he actually ever was.

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The Smiths are, of course, the archetypal student band.

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If he wins tomorrow night's vote,

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what songs does he think students will be listening to? Miserable Lie,

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I Don't Owe You Anything or Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now?

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CHEERING

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I expect that if I turned up,

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I probably wouldn't get This Charming Man.

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And if I went with the Foreign Secretary,

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probably William, It Was Really Nothing.

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LAUGHTER

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Are you saying that you can't be right wing and like The Smiths?

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I think maybe some people just don't listen to the lyrics.

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You know, there's a lot of Tories that like Eton Rifles

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and don't seem to realise that it's not their school theme song.

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'The Smiths will always be remembered for causing controversy,

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'but, for many fans, Morrissey's political posturing

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'and even his literary lyrics were mere dressing for the real art

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'being produced by the band.'

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My love of most things musical is strictly for the music.

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The shit going on around it, that's irrelevant to me.

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Morrissey was going on about poetry and vegetarianism

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and, you know, Johnny was going on about The Rolling Stones

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and T Rex and The Stooges and I was like...

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"Hmm, yeah."

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# Each household appliance

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# Is like a new science in my town... #

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Where does Johnny Marr's guitar playing rank for you?

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I've seen him in the studio do things that are

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so simple on a guitar,

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yet so...difficult at the same time.

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That does your head in, do you know what I mean?

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MUSIC: "Nowhere Fast" by The Smiths

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How hard is it to play like Johnny Marr?

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It's impossible, you can't.

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You know, if you're making a record and the producer's saying,

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"Try some of that Johnny Marr stuff,"

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you'd better get on the phone and get him,

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because you can't do it.

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PHONE RINGS

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That's not him now, by the way.

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He invented the style which I'd never heard before,

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it's a true original.

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Johnny Marr's riffs are a thing of legend in British indie rock, but to

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credit him as simply a jangly guitar hero would be faint praise indeed.

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# And when I'm lying in my bed... #

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Marr is without doubt the absolute gel that binds each track together.

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He somehow uses the guitar like an orchestrator uses an orchestra.

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'Classical conductor Charles Hazlewood was still

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'a school choirboy when he recognised

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'the sophistication in The Smiths' arrangements.'

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So let's say you've got, you know, a strummed semi-acoustic guitar,

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which definitely is a kind of binding agent.

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And then elements of lead just coming in and out.

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Bits of phrase picked out, the odd note, maybe a chord here and there.

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Shafts of different kinds of light being just exposed to the whole,

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just to add extra elements or point something up.

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It's a really, really brilliant and rare talent.

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Morrissey and Marr were more Elton and Bernie than

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Lennon and McCartney in the way they wrote,

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Marr producing cassette tapes of musical arrangements

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for Morrissey to overlay his free-form vocal melodies.

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Whether they knew it or not,

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the resulting sound tapped deep into our national psyche.

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We're a melancholy race. We're quietly glum.

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But we're sort of quietly accepting.

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We've never had a revolution, after all.

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There's a key element, I think, to The Smiths' musical or

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harmonic or melodic style,

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which I think sums this up.

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Basically...

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That's a consonant chord, a basic chord in root position.

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Now, there's an extra note you can add to it, which is

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that, which is a seventh.

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Now, either in its pure form like that, or flattened,

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it's right at the heart of the blues.

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You know, it's the single most important kind of blue note

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in the blues and it's sort of completely redolent of longing,

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of a sense of sort of dissatisfaction

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which you don't find in a lot of other guitar-based songs.

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I mean, the Beatles were much less full

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of these kinds of chords than The Smiths.

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CHEERING AND SHOUTING

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MUSIC: "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" by The Smiths

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# Take me out tonight... #

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The history of pop is littered with sad songs,

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but few acts have been able to capture this emotion

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and turn it into an arena-filling anthem quite like The Smiths.

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# Driving in your car

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# I never, never want to go home

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# Because I haven't got one

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# Anymore... #

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I wondered how many times people have either taped

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or burnt or downloaded

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or written out the lyrics to that song and sent it to somebody else.

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It's just a beautiful, brilliant, all-purpose pro forma love song.

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# Take me out tonight... #

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-CHARLES:

-A cool kind of anthemic quality that comes in the chorus,

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the double-decker bus thing,

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it's that moment when all these slightly murky chords...

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..all with a little bit of dirt in them

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and then you get that little break.

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# And if a double-decker bus

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# Crashes into us

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# To die by your side

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# Is such a heavenly way to die... #

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Suddenly it's kind of like lovely, primary colour, like a...

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You know, it's just a lovely phrase.

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Of course people are going to wrap their lungs around that.

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We're all pulled together in this kind of wonderful sense

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of mass communal indulgence.

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# And if a ten-ton truck

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# Kills the both of us

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# To die by your side

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# Well, the pleasure, the privilege is mine... #

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Halfway through there's, you know, 6,000 people singing it.

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You're thinking, "Essentially this is a song about death!"

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And yet, because it's The Smiths,

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it's got a kind of spring in its step.

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You know, it's E major. That's a nice, bright, open key.

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If you're going to get killed by a ten-ton truck,

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-you want it in E major, I suppose.

-I think you probably do!

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And to sing along with it.

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I'd like an afternoon in a hotel with some cream tea and you playing this in the corner.

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HE LAUGHS

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It's got to be raining outside.

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We probably need to be in Manchester, as well.

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# There is a light that never goes out

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# There is a light that never goes out... #

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The universal appeal of The Smiths' hits travelled

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way beyond Manchester city limits, as a fervent following spread

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amongst angst-ridden teens across the world.

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In the States, a gun-toting fan once attempted to hijack

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Colorado's airwaves in a bid to have back-to-back Smiths records

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replace the standard top 40 fare.

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# Born in the USA... #

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He didn't actually make it past reception

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at KRXY radio in Denver, but the incident passed into legend.

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And there are battalions of other like-minded,

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but, thankfully, unarmed,

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high school kids across the pond whose lives have been

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saved by this perversely exotic group from Manchester, England.

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I grew up in the sort of Bermuda Triangle

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where Bruce Springsteen meets Jon Bon Jovi.

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A culture where you're expected to be a winner

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and be on the cheerleading team and to be perfect and blonde and perky.

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The Smiths were saying,

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"You know, it's all right to be a bit of a nerd

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"and wear spectacles and not have a date and be on your own."

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They created a club of outsiders

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and...I felt like part of that club,

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even 3,000-odd miles away.

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This world of Whalley Range and Rusholme

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and '60s film references, did it resonate with you?

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Did you have any idea what this world was?

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I was desperate to decode everything.

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So yes, I had to go away and find out what Tizer was

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and where Newport Pagnell was and, you know, Rusholme.

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But all these things were really romantic and quite glamorous.

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I mean, I just thought, "If I can just get to Manchester,

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"then all of my prayers will be answered."

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# Panic on the streets of London... #

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'Well, Amy finally did make it to Manchester,

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'and settled in London, where she's now the ringleader of

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'a new generation of obsessive Smiths fans.

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'She's written a stage play devoted to Morrissey and, every now

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'and then, she rounds up her fellow aficionados

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'at events like Smithsfest

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'at London's Institute of Contemporary Arts,

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'to worship and celebrate their band.'

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Good evening, apostles,

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and welcome to Smithsfest at the ICA!

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# But there's panic on the streets of Carlisle

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# Dublin, Dundee, Humberside

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# I wonder to myself... #

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My mum was actually Morrissey's cleaner!

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CHEERING

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This is inside Smithsfest, a very bizarre gathering of people.

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You can have your photograph mocked up outside Salford Lads Club,

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or your quiff resurrected.

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-Hi.

-Hi.

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Let's give it a go.

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# Burn down the disco

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# Hang the blessed DJ... #

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You are done, ready and quiffed up.

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20 years since I last had a quiff.

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How's it look?

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# Hang the DJ, hang the DJ, hang the DJ

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# Hang the DJ, hang the DJ, hang the DJ... #

0:27:140:27:18

Can I have a round of applause for my necklace, please?

0:27:180:27:21

CHEERING

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# Hang the DJ, hang the DJ... #

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Hardly Salford Lads Club.

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But The Smiths are going to be imitated,

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analysed and celebrated in there until the small hours.

0:27:290:27:33

If quiffing your hair up

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and dressing up like Morrissey isn't your bag,

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we can all celebrate that it was 30 years ago

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this weekend that The Smiths invited us into their achingly beautiful,

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melancholic, oppositional world.

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It's a light which will never go out.

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# Sing me to sleep

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# Sing me to sleep

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# I'm tired and I

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# I want to go to bed... #

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Like all the great bands, it's not something that you can sum up

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in one nifty sentence and say, "It's because of that." It's impossible.

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So people like you spend 30 years trying

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and they'll probably take another 30 years.

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We'll still come back to the same thing -

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they were just fucking great.

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# Sing to me

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# I don't want to wake up

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# On my own any more... #

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There isn't a room to The Libertines like this anywhere in the world.

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There isn't room to Spandau Ballet anywhere in the world like this.

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I mean, whatever you think of it,

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it gives you an idea of just what they meant to...us.

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I was going to say "them", but us.

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# Deep in the cell of my heart

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# I really

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# Want to go

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It's easy to go, "This is a bit silly," but this is

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an expression of people's love for them, know what I mean?

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You and I both know when we leave here

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-we're going to have our photo taken...

-Of course we are!

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That's it, just there.

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# Well, there must be

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# Well, there must be... #

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