12/08/2014 The One Show

One Show with Alex Jones. And Dan Snow. Tonight, a family special.

Anita is with a team-building two family homes in just one day. Dom is

here to talk about how people who have been ripped off can get their

money back. And we have an amazing story of surrogacy. It is

complicated because the mother is also the grandmother and the sister

is also the mum. Yes, we are confused as well. All this is

perfect for tonight's guests. We are joined by three stars from the new

BBC drama all about family relationships and the impending

pressure is a new baby can bring. Are you seriously mental? I have to

have this in by Friday. In case you have not noticed, I am pregnant! I

have had to listen to your moronic music. And I have indigestion. I

finally fall asleep and I am woken up by the chainsaw! Please welcome

her mining Norris, Will Mellor and Tara Fitzgerald -- Hermione Norris.

Good to have you with us. The second episode of In The Club is on tonight

on BBC One. It is about a group of expectant mothers with different and

complicated family situations. Hermione, tell us about your

situation. I play Roanna who has left her unhappy marriage and has

fallen in love with an artist and is about to have a baby. He is hot. I

play Rick whose wife Diane is expecting miracle twins because they

have lost babies before. He has lost his job and been lying to her

because he did not want to stress the rout because she might lose the

babies, so he robbed a bank. And now he is on the run. It is very

intense. It is very intense, not funny. He has basically been lying

to try and help her but he has made it worse. And I play Susie who is in

a same-sex relationship with Kim. We are expecting a child with the same

biological father as the child I had with him. If that makes sense. It

does, perfectly. We will talk more about In The Club shortly. But

first, the reason we have asked to those questions is because we have

met a real-life family whose relationships are even more

concentrated than that. Take a look at this. I am Jenny. 13

years ago, I made the big decision to ask my daughter Ellen to carry

child for me and my husband, Tony. I am Ellen. I made the big decision to

carry my stepfather's child so he and mum could be a family. At first

glance, this might look like an average family, but things are not

quite that simple. I am Jenny. I am to Ellen, Derek, and also the twins

Ruth and Alex. I'm Tony, Jenny's husband and Ellen and I are the

biological parents of Alexandria. My mum is Ellen's mum as well but Ellen

gave birth to us. Confused? Jenny was 45 when she met Tony who was 11

years younger. They had a very memorable first date. We seemed to

have done an awful lot more talking than eating. It was a lovely

evening. If you could say it was love at first sight, it was. Tony

wanted to marry Jenny but she explained she had two grown-up

children and could not have any more. I wanted to spend the rest of

my life with Jenny. If I could not have kids, that did not matter.

Jenny still worried about not having children but the couple put it to

the back of their minds and got married anyway. On the day of the

marriage Ellen jokingly remarked that all we needed was some

children. What started as a jokey remark ended up as a serious

discussion. We talked about surrogacy and even adoption. They

talked about surrogacy. I said, don't bother with someone else, I

will do it. I said that is a lovely offer but we would not expect it of

you. I said Ellen, that is very kind of you but it is not normal, is it?

Normal or not, Ellen's offer was genuine. What did you feel? Their

happiness. Did you feel squeamish about having a baby with your

stepfather? I stipulated it had to be done at a clinic. Did you think,

I have got a lovely husband and children and you did not want to

push your luck? That sort of makes me sound a bit greedy and away, it

was. I wanted to be a mother to Tony's children. After much

soul-searching, the family made their big decision. Ellen would

carry the baby and also use her own eggs. But the clinic would not allow

it. They were worried about the psychological effects because I

would not only be carrying the children but using my own egg is and

that had not been done before. I think they thought Ellen might have

difficulty giving up a child and perhaps I might become jealous. But

this to me was the ideal solution. I may not have been their biological

mother but I am the biological grandmother and that is the next

best thing. The family then appealed and managed to reverse the clinic's

decision. In 2001, Tony and Jenny paid more than ?9,000 for IVF

treatment. It was twins that we were so elated. You already had a little

girl so you knew what the process was of bonding with your baby. What

did you do differently, if at all, this time? I detached myself. How

did you do that? I can compartmentalise my emotions very

well. The twins were handed straight to Tony and Jenny who have brought

them up as mum and dad. Ellen and Maddie are around the corner. I do

feel like a second mother. I explained that I am their money and

Ellen is their tummy money and that is what they used to call her. My

friends do not get it. They scratch their heads and say, can you say

that again, please. We do feel like we had two mums. We are lucky. I

cannot get over what a wonderful gift she has given us. I will always

be grateful to Ellen until my dying day for this wonderful sacrifice she

has given. An incredible story. A full on

commitment but they seem happy. Let's go back to the drama. The

second episode of In The Club is on tonight. Bring us up to speed. We

know what has happened to you in your different families as far as

your characters are concerned. Will, it was intense but in a good way. I

have never been so depressed going to bed after watching a drama. It

was quite heavy, it sits on you. One I first heard about it I thought, it

is about pregnant women, what is it -- what is in it for a man but there

is loads for men to watch this programme for. And the character of

Rick. I wanted to play somebody who had to go to that place. He is a

nice person, he just makes the wrong decision. But what ties all the

characters is the antenatal class where they all meet. Yes, there are

six couples and they all meet in a parent craft group and they all form

relationships. It is how their lives intertwine and what happens in the

build-up when you are expecting a baby. You filmed some pretty intense

scenes, what is that like? Green of -- all of us were pretty nervous

about filming the birth scenes. It is a long time to be delivering. My

body hurt afterwards! I suppose you are tensing up so much. Last week,

the 15-year-old character gave birth at one of the characters was with

her. She is an incredible young actress. I thought she was smashing.

It is an important subject we want to get across as well, because

teenage pregnancy is rife at the moment. That was key's story about

herself. My wife is eight months pregnant so it was a particularly

timely drama. You have also got children. I haven't yet been tempted

to rob a bank. Is this an example of art following life? It is not a

great thing to do! That is the great thing about the character. He is

that desperate. He is on the thing about the character. He is

that desperate. He is on verge of a massive depression, he will lose his

house and car and he cannot tell his wife because she might lose the

babies. Is it something you could relate to? I was lucky enough that I

was working and could look after my kids but there is no doubt that any

man would do what it takes to look after your families. That is what

kids do, they make you do silly things. It is a nice episode and the

pressure really builds. I feel like I have let her down. The

point I am making is you have got to make some allowances because their

hormones are all over the place. I should have just told her I was made

redundant. Yes, you should have but you did not tell her for the right

reasons, mate. I hope it does not get worse. It

does! Hold onto your seats. Tara, you said this was quite

ground-breaking. As I understand it, it is the first time a same-sex,

female same-sex relationship has been represented on TV in this way.

I think that is a very interesting topic. And obviously, it is

representative of the new modern families, as in the story we saw

earlier. The ideas of families changing monthly, it seems to me and

what is acceptable and what is expected. I think it is very

exciting. Kay's brilliance is she can write in a very strong way and

writes about communities. The fact that Kay Mellor has written it is

very good. She brings warmth to every character she writes. I think

Alex and I are worried that it gets darker. There is always the humour.

Light with the shade. You can see the next episode of In The Club

tonight on BBC One at 9pm. Dom is here. He will talk about how

families can recoup money stolen by criminals. But first, Dan Donnelly

has gone to meet two women who lost their life savings to a fraudster

and now they want answers. We are told crime does not pay but

every year, fraudsters are fleecing their victims out of a staggering

?52 billion. And even when the law does catch up with them, criminals

are finding even more ways to hide their cash. In fact, the National

audit office says for every hundred pounds made by criminals, only this

much, 26p, is clawed back by the authorities. That is money owed to

victims like Susan and Eileen from Merseyside. They were both ripped

off by this man, Malcolm Barber. With his business partner Terry

Warrington, he took ?5 billion from 127 victims who all thought they

were investing their life savings 127 victims who all thought they

were investing their life into a low risk scheme. Have you seen any of

your money? No, the capital has gone. 127 of us, ?5 million. And it

has gone. Barber and Warrington were jailed this year but their victims

are still waiting to find out if the con men will be forced to pay the

money back. I would like everything stripped from him. If it is in his

name, it is the proceeds of crime, as far as I am concerned. It should

be divided up between the 127 people who have lost everything. What

chance do Susan, Eileen and the other victims have of ever seeing

their money again? The authorities do have the powers to confiscate

criminals' assets, thanks to legislation called the Proceeds of

Crime Act. Where courts have made confiscation orders, victims can be

given money from the confiscated assets, if the police can ever find

them. Criminals will do everything to make sure the ill gotten gains

remain with them or their families or friends. We have investigators

who are specially trained to identify this property. Titan is the

police's north-west crime unit. It seized ?42 million of criminals'

assets in the past five years. This ?85,000 of cash has just been

seized. Now our brand Eileen are the next target. We will pursue them

through the court. It is essential to me to make sure the criminals who

benefit from this behaviour are left with nothing from this process. But

even if a confiscation order is granted, getting hold of the money

is far from guaranteed. While ?130 million was seized last year, that

is still only 26p in every ?100 of criminals' cash. I am shocked at

that. 26p? A crime is a crime, you pay back what you have stolen from

the person, the whole lot. The likelihood is from those

statistics, that money will stay with them. He will pick up where he

left to a large degree and he has got a nice home to come home too. He

will be in prison for two years and no doubt pick up the threads of his

life again. Why have the criminals been able to run rings round the

authorities? I am meeting the Home Office Minister for Organised Crime

to find out what is going on. We aren't tightening the rules under

the Serious Crime Bill which is going through Parliament at the

moment to make sure we can get even more of the criminals 's money. We

have collected ?746 million in assets since 2010. That is" is on

the amount that was collected before. ?93 million has gone back to

the victims again. That has too means seizing more than 26p in

everyone hand pounds. -- that has to mean. It did give you some hope but

that amount is sick. It is ridiculous. Absolutely.

Why has so little been re-coop to? It is very scary. Doing a prison

sentence for a hardened criminal is part and parcel of it. In England

and Wales, 2012-2013,, 680,000 criminals were convicted. Less than

1% actually had this served on them. Of the ones that were ?1000 or less,

90% were enforced. As soon as it went to the big boys, that drop down

to 18%. It is not being enforced as well as it should. What can the

Government do about this? A lot of these people tried to dispose of

assets or have tainted gifts, which are sold off very cheaply to loved

ones or partners. They now say they will land lock you in the country

and you cannot leave. That will limit the chances of you hiding

assets or disposing of them abroad. They will increase the maximum

sentence. This is for the big boys, from ten years to 14 years. This

will all start happening next year. If you are served with this, and you

get a ten-year stretch, you will serve every day of your sentence.

You are not entitled to parole. If you manage to back while you are in

prison, you might get a reduction in your sentence. When you come out of

prison, that order will still be in force. A policeman can say, that is

a nice watch, how much money do you have in your wallet? It is still in

force. Well, George McGavin has been

carrying out his own investigation, These 600 acres belong to the

internationally important arboretum near Tetbury in Gloucestershire. It

is one of the finest tree collections in the world, first

planted in the 19th century. Each year the Forestry Commission

conducts a survey of the 15,000 trees here. This year, an adult oak

tree has been identified as under threat. The presence of fungus at

the base of the trunk is evidence it has an infection eating away at its

foundations. Its canopy is deteriorating and now it needs to be

removed before it becomes unstable. It is sad to see a wonderful tree

like this being felt. The situation does give me unprecedented access to

explore the extraordinary ecosystem inside and out. This arboriculture

is is here to test the tree with some very hi-tech gadgets. We have a

drill to tell us how hard the wood is. It measures the density of the

tree. The grass can automatically drop. Right here, just here. This is

clear evidence decay has set in at the heart of the tree. Tree surgeons

can do their work. The tree has been prepared and it should come down.

Timber! Although the majority of the tree

looks pretty sound, this fungus is beginning to creep up the hardwood.

You can see how this is soft and hollow. Because of its size and

integrity, an adult oak tree has been chosen -- shown to support 1500

species of insects and spiders. To indicate what lives inside I am

joined by a specialist in burrowing insects. How are you getting on?

Very well. These are the feeding boroughs that are left by longhorned

beetle larvae. The other big group that would be commonly found in this

sort of situation are the bark beetles. They are much smaller. Just

in this corner, one of them is... I can see the head peeking out. With

the macro lens we are able to get a bug 's eye view. Now the tree has

fallen, it allows me to dig up the soil and leaflet in a way I would

not normally be able. I am collecting samples of moss, fungus

and likings to examine an insect treasure trove. Although they are

small, there are probably millions of individual insects and spiders on

this tree. You have carnivores, herbivores and things are just eat

decaying material. Centipedes are the apex hunters in this tiny

underworld. This is a very aggressive carnival. It will

basically eat anything in its path. This weevil is one of many species

of her that are attacking the tree at any one time. Under the

microscope, I find lots of insect larvae. This is larvae of the crane

fly. They eat any decaying or organic material. We are scratching

the surface of the myriad of organisms that make up the ecosystem

on one single oak tree. To complete this remarkable cycle of death and

decay, earthworms will eventually break down what is left, turning it

back into rich, new soil. It has been a real thrill for me to have

this opportunity to look at a remarkable habitat, to get the

ecosystem on one single oak tree. To complete this remarkable cycle of

death and decay, earthworms will eventually break down what is left,

turning it back into rich, new soil. It has been a real thrill for me to

have this opportunity to look at a remarkable habitat, to get a bug 's

while our oak has fallen, the staff here will be planting acorns which

will become the oak trees of tomorrow.

She's been following the build of two family homes - erected

It has been quite a challenge, to build these homes before the sun

goes down. This is what the site looked like earlier. It is just the

foundations there. It used to be a primary school and then it was

derelict. They got ?5 million worth of development money. They called it

innovation Way and came up with the idea of building these two homes as

quickly as they could. They started unpacking boxes at 8am today. How on

earth will lay do this? Not using the traditional method. Instead,

they have these, giant timber frame already made a complete with

installation, a window and there was even space for a front door. OK,

boys, bring it in. By the end of today, a total of 44 panels will

have been joined with meticulous precision to form two semidetached

houses that will be completely watertight. Hello, John. A man with

a plan, quite literally! How does what you have going on differ from

traditional brick houses? The speed. Why is that important? It is the

time taken to build on site that cost the money. They are engineered

to be bolted on quite properly. Will that stapler really hold together a

house? Yes, it will. There are only ten people, making a total of 54

crane lifts, using 50,000 nails and ten bottles of blue dashed very

strong glue. Then it would have to be, wouldn't it? -- bottles of glue

- very strong glue. These people start at eight o'clock in the

morning and by APM, you can have a house down and finished. You have

local people working and developing it. It is a really good model. If we

can get more and more places building in this way, it gives us a

really big kick into the future to get on top of delivering the houses

that people need and want. So far, so smooth. It is amazing to see how

quickly these guys can put the homes together. There we go. The finishing

touches. The only job they trusted me with. Boys, you did it! That's

right, the sun has not gone down and the walls have been erected. The big

boss is Alan Yates. I delighted? Sign the guys have done a great job.

-- are you delighted? The guys have done a great job. Are they built to

last? It is a suspension timber frame with loads of insulation from

a product imported from Scandinavia which is well tried and tested. What

is it like to live in one of these? Have you moved in? February. How is

it? Lovely. It says a lot on my bills from my previous home. You

moved in in February, have you had the heating on? No. Can you hear the

neighbours? Not a peep. Just a few soft furnishings and good to go. I

was looking forward to see what colour scheme they would go for but

it is still impressive. I you any good at DIY? Rubbish. -- are you any

good? I am determined to improve. I think Dan Snow would be very good at

it. I tried to read instructions too much and it is awful. It is easier

to knock things over will stop I think you will agree. I just break

stuff. It is a good team. She does all the building. Thank you for

coming into night. In The Club will be

on this evening at 9pm on BBC One. Tomorrow, we'll be live from

the Edinburgh Festival with a load of guests, including Paul Merton,

Al Murray and Nancy Dell'Olio. And there will be some

surprise performances too.