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Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker. | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
Tonight's guests have the gift of the gab. One talks a lot of sense | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
and the other just talks a lot. Luckily he's funny with it. It's | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
comedian turned dancer Tim Vine and Woman's Hour's dame Jenni Murray! | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
APPLAUSE You don't mean a turned a dancer, | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
do you? Have you? By Saturday, you'll be more of a dancer than a | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
comedian. My knees are just about holding out from the rehearsing. | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
I'm trying to save a bit of cartilage for Saturday night. | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
of the audience won't know you're talking part in Let's Dance for | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
Comic Relief. You're opening the show, so no pressure. I don't think | :00:58. | :01:08. | |
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I am. Maybe they're keeping that a secret. I asked about that and I | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
said, please don't put me on first. You've got me worried now. We know | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
you have special moves up your sleeve judges by this high energy | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
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It's hard to do backwards and forwards like that. I've always | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
fannied a go at. That how would you feel about bouncing around like | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
that? Nothing's real any more. You get CGI in the films and then | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
you're bouncing back-and-forth thanks to technology. There is no | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
way! No way I would attempt something like. That I'm with you. | :01:53. | :02:03. | |
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I had my hips replaced a few years ago. I don't do that. Come on. | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
say nothing's real there's this power list which has been announced. | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
You kind of own this list. Were you slightly miffed that you couldn't | :02:12. | :02:22. | |
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be part of it? No.... Yes! Clearly, Jane Garvey, who is the other | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
Woman's Hour presenter and I couldn't have been on it. Clare | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
Balding is in there and she's had a dabble. She appears talking about | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
sport. She's brilliant. You know, goodness, we needed somebody to | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
really push women's sport because we don't get enough coverage by | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
half. We'll talk more about that later on. There's a fantastic new | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
series that's just started on BBC One called Penguins - Spy In The | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
Huddle, where we see them as we never have before. They have | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
waddled into the studio and we're going to be meeting the stars of | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
the show later on and attempting our own version with no money, a | :03:04. | :03:13. | |
cuddly toy and thankfully, a very friendly zoo. Tim, to be honest | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
with you... That's like me dancing. Slightly quicker. It melts your | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
heart. I don't know if you saw it, but it is absolutely incredible. It | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
goes into incredible depth. When you see where they live, you | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
realise it's only the tip of the iceberg. Very good! It worked a | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
treat. Yes. As we know, Matt has tried but Tim here is the king of | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
the one liners. If you think you can do better, send in your one | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
liners to us and we'll read them out later. Tim will be judging them. | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
I didn't know that either. We have got an hour. Make them good. Now | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
the Prime Minister has promised the full intervention of the law will | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
be brought to bear for anyone who has passed off horsemeat as beef. | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
Labs carrying out DNA testing are working at full capacity. | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
Beefburgers manufactured for British and Irish supermarkets have | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
been found to contain traces of horsemeat... Products from Aldi, | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
Lidl and Iceland are also affected. How much horse is in the food we | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
eat? Around a thousand products are now being questioned by 28 local | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
authorities across the UK. They're taking DNA samples from processed | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
meat products. Do you do a general test for all kinds of DNA or do you | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
have to be very specific about what you're looking for? If you wanted | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
to find out everything that's say in a meat sample, you would be | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
testing and testing and testing. The testing we're doing is specific | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
to what you're looking for. That's the nature of DNA. If we were | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
looking for horse, we wouldn't detect donkey, zebra or anything | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
like. That it is that specific. DNA testing an expensive | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
discipline? All these tests cost money and it's a question of who | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
will pay. We're an official control laboratory. We generally act for | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
enforcement bodies. The amount of testing going on in food | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
enforcement is steadily declining. Really it's a Government issue. | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
There's nothing illegal about flogging a dead horse as long as | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
you know you're eelting it. -- eating it. It's the Food Standards | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
Agency's job to ensure we have confidence in what we eat. We live | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
in a time of budget cuts, is there enough money in the regulatory | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
system for things like the FSA to do an adequate job to police what's | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
going on? We give significant amounts of grants to local | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
authorities to carry out samples. We have a grant programme. We've | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
never run out of money in that programme. There's never been a | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
time when a local authority has said, "We've got a worry about this | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
and we'd like to test it." And then we've said we haven't got the money. | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
There are huge pressures particularly on local authority | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
colleagues, but this isn't a resource issue. It isn't a resource | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
issue but it feels like a lot of the testing is reactive rather than | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
proactive, as in responding to information that's coming in rather | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
than the spot checks that could have picked up what's clearly been | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
a chronic situation for quite a long time. At some level you could | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
test 100% of products coming onto the market. In fact, we have | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
required industry at the moment to check 100% of these kind of | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
products, but on an ongoing basis that is going to drive a lot of | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
cost in a time of austerity into the food chain. The British food | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
industry likes to claim it has full traceability of the food chain. | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
Does the consumer have reason to be confident that's the case? What we | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
are seeing is the incredible complexity of what we call the food | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
chain but is almost a food network. It is absolutely the responsibility | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
of the food industry, who make their profits by selling us food | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
products, to make sure those products are what they say on the | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
label. And they have to get into a position where they are confident | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
that the network or food chain they use to do that can be assured and | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
controlled. Even one produbgtd purporting to be beef and | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
containing a large amount of horse is completely unacceptable. Well, | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
Jay is here along with Tony Luckhurst, a butcher who has been | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
in the trade for 40 years. Doesn't seem so long. As that film suts, | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
supermarkets spend a lot of money on testing but that Trading | :07:35. | :07:41. | |
Standards should spent -- should spend more on spot tests. | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
Environmental Health budgets and Trading Standards budgets have been | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
cut by 32% in real terms. Last year the number of Environmental Health | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
enforcement notices were down 15%. Whether they should spend on it or | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
not, less is going into it. bods from the EU have been together. | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
Yes there was a big meeting today. The EU Commissioner for health and | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
consumer policy halls said this is fraudulent misuse of the labelling | :08:05. | :08:11. | |
system, it's not a food safety issue. He's said it must not "harm | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
the freedom of movement of goods across the EU". That's people | :08:16. | :08:24. | |
talking about stopping the imports of food from Europe. And Norway has | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
taken a bunch of Findus products off their shelves because they | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
believe there may be horsemeat in them. Is the scandal good news for | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
you as a butcher, have you seen a rise in customers? It's good news | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
for us in the short-term. People are more keen to know where their | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
meat is coming from. They can come to their local butcher and trust us. | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
We have a short supply chain. There's only three people involved, | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
including myself, in the supply of meat to us. Generally it's not good | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
news for the food or the meat trade. Can you just explain then where you | :08:54. | :09:02. | |
get your meat from. This week we've got beef from John and Steve within | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
whitby in Buckinghamshire. The meat goes to the abattoir and comes to | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
us. It's quite simple, very basic system. You can absolutely | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
guarantee where your meat is from? Every piece of meat has a passport | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
wh. It comes into the shop, we recognise it for what it is, | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
because we're skilled craftsmen. What about the people who say we | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
can't afford to buy from a local butcher. I would say apart from | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
coming to my shop, where we are keen on price, shop around. Find | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
somebody to trust and it's really not that expensive. What about you | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
two, has this changed your attitude towards what you'd buy in a | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
supermarket? We've got a very good local butcher. We know exactly | :09:45. | :09:52. | |
where his meat comes from. Yes, we have. Oh, not you and me. No, at | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
home. I'm sorry. I'm sure, I know I've eaten horse because I lived in | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
Paris for a year whi was a student. The French eat horse a lot. It | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
didn't really worry me too much. But what I worry about is not | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
knowing what's in it. And whether there are any veterinary drugs in | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
those horses. I have a question, are there more cows in this country | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
than horses? I would say definitely. If we ate horses it would be more | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
of a delicacy wouldn't St t? necessarily because we have a thing | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
about eating domestic animals that we use. It's because it's domestic. | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
If you know what you're eating there isn't so much of an issue. Is | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
there a case for saying these are the ingredients of this spag bol or | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
lasagne, you make up your mind. If you want to eat a bit of horse. | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
Down-the-line we may have a debate about what's in our food. Now we | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
have a lot of consumers with a right to expect big brand names | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
putting in their food what they thought they were putting in their | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
food. We know how tight money is and they've gone in thinking they | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
were getting deals and the fact is that those big retailers have let | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
them down by pushing margins so tightly that corners have been cut. | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
I have to say we tried to call, contact lots of retailers to talk | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
us, we contacted a dozen different organisations and none would give a | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
face-to-face interview. It comes down to education. You can go to a | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
butcher and say I have this budget, what can you give me for that and | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
you can help everybody. Don't be scared of us. We're nice guys. | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
We'll cut it there in front of you. If you chop a horse in half and | :11:40. | :11:46. | |
bang the two sides together, it's like somebody riding a coconut. | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
Morrisons did agree to talk to us, but we didn't have the chance to | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
get them on the air. It could be argued there's never | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
been a better time to go vegetarian and Jay's back later with the story | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
of a whole football club that's turned its back on meat. This week | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
a fantastic new series started on the BBC taking a unique look at the | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
life of penguins all around the world. We got to see the creatures | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
in a way we've never seen them before thanks to mini cameras | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
hidden inside dummy penguins and their eggs. The chicks can no | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
longer squeeze into their mother's pouch, even the experts can end | :12:25. | :12:35. | |
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upped in trouble. -- end up in No-one can bathe in piece for more | :12:43. | :12:53. | |
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It rolls like one too. With egg cam finally in his claws, | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
he does what comes naturally. He takes it into the air. | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
Egg cam captured the first aerial of a penguin colony shot by a | :13:18. | :13:24. | |
flying bird. Then it slips from his grasp. Immediately, it catches the | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
eye of a Turkey vulture. The game continues with different | :13:32. | :13:42. | |
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Finally, egg cam is back in the rock hopper colony. | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
We're joined by the producer of the show John Downer and cameraman Jeff | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
Bell. They are lovely close up. Whuelz idea was it then? Whose idea | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
was it? It was the team. Every time we do a spy film, we've made eight | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
now. We have to come up with a way to get closer to the animals. Every | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
species is different. When we came up with the idea of penguins, we | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
thought how do we get into the penguin colony. We first came up | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
with this idea where we could actually have a penguin which was | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
taking the filming and could walk slowly around in the colony. This | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
the first time you've made a robotic animal. Yes, up till then | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
it was a rock or iceberg or something or other. But this was | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
actually going further than we'd been before. Geoff are you seen as | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
a cameraman or an expert as using remote control aeroplanes and cars? | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
For about 50 years I've been modelling and this is an extension | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
now. How did the penguins, the real ones, react when you placed the | :14:50. | :15:00. | |
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Well, we hoped it would work, but we did not expect that they would | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
be so convinced by them, that we even had one trying to court the | :15:10. | :15:16. | |
egg cam. That kind of level of acceptance in the colony, we were | :15:16. | :15:23. | |
not expecting, but it allowed some spectacular footage. And how did | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
you get that footage? There is a radio picture coming back, but we | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
also record on board. It is not just penguin cams, but a lot of the | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
work is done by them. Some go under water as well. What did you find | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
out about penguins that we do not already know? Don Cowie always | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
think of them standing around in a group. Because we have filmed so | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
much, filming from the moment they come out of the water until the | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
chicks go back in, we've really got into their lives. People see them | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
as like us, because they look like us, they walk. But once you get in | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
their lives, you see they have got an emotional side which we can | :16:11. | :16:18. | |
really relate to. Again, that went further than we had anticipated. | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
Although you have done these different series with different | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
morals, the penguins have turned out to be your favourite? That's | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
right. You always say your favourite is what you are working | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
on, but these have really excelled themselves. They are absolutely | :16:31. | :16:41. | |
adorable. So, you have got this egg cam - how many of these did you | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
make? We had 10 in every colony, and we filmed three different types | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
of penguins. Then we had problems because birds would come along and | :16:51. | :16:58. | |
take them and carry them in the air. This was unbelievable. Obviously | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
they thought they were in for a treat. We lost quite a few which | :17:02. | :17:10. | |
were taken out to sea. Fortunately, in this sequence, we actually got | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
the egg cam back. I think we can confidently say, this is the first | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
aerial view taken by a bird. you imagine the producers sitting | :17:20. | :17:30. | |
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around discussing this? Look at that! It is amazing. Yes, this was | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
a bird doing its own filming. that was a crane shot, it would | :17:42. | :17:50. | |
have been great! What is next, Jeff? I cannot say, he would shoot | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
me. But we are on another secret project. We are doing dolphins, but | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
we cannot talk about what we are doing. But again, we will be right | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
in there, like you have never seen. That will be going out at Christmas. | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
This one is Monday nights, isn't it? Yes. I never thought I would be | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
so emotional about penguins, but when that single penguin, trying to | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
find its... Oh, it is very sad. spent literally, well, several | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
minutes, trying to come up with our very own version of your wonderful | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
penguin cam, and we have set it up at Colchester Zoo, where we can | :18:33. | :18:42. | |
join Lucy at the moment. Yes, these are some 18 penguins in here. We | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
wanted to push the boundaries of science and national history -- | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
natural history, so we have come up with our own penguin cam. It is not | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
universally popular with the residents in here. They have | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
attacked it a few times, but we will see how they get on later. One | :19:00. | :19:09. | |
of the early prototypes! I am just wondering why we did not use it! | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
Back in 1962, an underground army was mobilised across the UK to | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
prepare for the worst, as Russia and America squared up in the Cuban | :19:17. | :19:25. | |
missile crisis. Marty Jopson tells the story. In 1962, the Cuban | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
missile crisis brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. In the | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
the brink of nuclear war. In the event of the unthinkable, Britain | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
would have been a target for nuclear weapons, but we were | :19:34. | :19:40. | |
prepared. As this training film from 1962 illustrates, once the | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
Government would have taken control of the country from large bunkers | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
like this, and then they would have been reliant on information fed to | :19:46. | :19:52. | |
them from the front line. A little- known network of some 1,500 | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
monitoring posts, dotted across the country. Should a nuclear attack | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
had been it didn't, each one of these would have been manned by | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
three or four part-time civilian volunteers -- imminent -- of the | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
Royal Observer Corps. Over 15,000 of them signed up to leave their | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
families behind and go down the hatch, if nuclear war was imminent. | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
There was always some speculation as to how many people would | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
actually turn up. I would like to think, because we were a | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
disciplined, uniformed body, that the majority of people would have | :20:29. | :20:38. | |
turned up for duty. And by using the same type of bunkers and | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
equipment featured in a training film, we are going to find out just | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
what that duty would have entailed. After first using this device like | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
this, using the telephone wires to connect this bunker to group | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
control and all of the nearby bunkers, the crew down here would | :20:56. | :21:05. | |
immediately turn to this device. This is the bomb power indicator, | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
which gives you a measure of the air pressure change caused by the | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
blast. Next, one crew member would have gone to collect a bleeding | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
from the Ground Zero indicator, a device which records the strength | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
and direction of the blast onto photographic paper. Lawrence Holmes | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
has brought one of the very pieces of paper used. In the absence of a | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
nuclear blast, we are using a photographer's flashgun instead. | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
And we are firing at 400 times, to try and match the brightness of | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
just one nuclear blast. Here we go. If I take the photographic paper | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
out, there it is. That's what a bomb blast would look like. The | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
position of the mark on the Grid revealed that bearing and height of | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
the blast. But with the telephone line now is can they tick, -- now | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
disconnected, we are resorting to the modern equivalent to relay the | :22:03. | :22:13. | |
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information up the command chain. Clear. Here at group control, Brian | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
would have received these types of reports from many of the monitoring | :22:19. | :22:27. | |
posts under his command. What was all but about? That was to allow us | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
to use this instrument here, to draw a line of the right bearing. | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
We would then do that on other posts, and on the third one, we | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
would get the Ground Zero of the bomb. With the Ground Zero located, | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
the direction of radioactive fall- out could then be predicted, and | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
the public could be warned by the Observer's back in their monitoring | :22:51. | :22:58. | |
posts. Thankfully, Lawrence Holmes never had to set off the alarm. In | :22:58. | :23:07. | |
training, they only used dummies, but not this time. Go for it. | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
The Royal Observer Corps was stood down in the 1990s, and never needed | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
to fire this warning signal. Today, only a handful of the bunkers | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
remain intact. I never heard that before. It is difficult to imagine | :23:21. | :23:28. | |
a contemporary Volunteer Force with such responsibility. There could be | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
company directors, plumbers, farmers, once we put that uniform | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
on, we were members of the Royal Observer Corps. Those who were | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
prepared to leave their families behind in the hope of contributing | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
to the survival of at least some of the British population. It was the | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
best way and I could find to help my family in those circumstances. | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
After seeing these volunteers reliving the roles they might have | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
played, it is sobering to realise how real that threat was, and how | :23:58. | :24:06. | |
we were forced to prepare for the worst. Well, thanks, Marty Jopson. | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
In the 1960s, there was a lot of paranoia about a possible nuclear | :24:09. | :24:16. | |
fall-out. I was 12, in 1962, and I can remember kneeling by the side | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
of my bed, alongside my mother, saying, please God, do not let Mr | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
Khrushchev blow us away. We were really, really frightened about it. | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
People were talking about what you would do if a nuclear bomb came. | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
You would put sandbags in front of the house. Pretty sure that would | :24:35. | :24:42. | |
not work. You would use what you had a round. That was the advice, | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
hide under the table. My dad said something very rude about putting | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
your head between your knees. Thankfully it is not something we | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
have to worry about these days. As we said at the top of the show, | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
Woman's Hour revealed its poll of the 100 most powerful women in the | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
country. The Queen was a late entry, we were surprised to find out... | :25:05. | :25:11. | |
The panel, who judged it, were trying to think, does she have real | :25:11. | :25:18. | |
power? They debated it and they debated it, real power, does she | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
actually really influence what happens in this country? And in the | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
end, they decided, yes, if you meet the Prime Minister every week, you | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
know exactly what is going on. And what I loved about the fact that | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
she was there, as you get older, you start to look at what life is | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
going to be like when you get really quite old, and there is the | :25:39. | :25:46. | |
Queen at 86, and I have met her a couple of times, and she is amazing. | :25:46. | :25:54. | |
When you watched her on the river, doing the Jubilee, just standing | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
there, and it gives us all hope. 86, she can cope with that. It is that | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
interesting thing about how you define power. It is a difficult one. | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
I think what the panel in the end went for was what they called Hard | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
power, rather than soft power. Theresa May is number two, the Home | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
Secretary, she clearly has power over people's lives. And then, I | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
have got a list, thank goodness, to remind me. Otherwise I would not | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
have remembered all of them! But you know, the chief executive of | :26:34. | :26:40. | |
Santander, a very successful bank, Ana Botin, she is third on the list. | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
And then we have got judges... What is really encouraging about it is | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
that there are a lot of very powerful women now in this country. | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
Not enough, I might say, we have to remember still that Members of | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
Parliament are outnumbered four men to one woman, still. So, we can do | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
better. And the interesting thing is, you were talking about soft | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
power, because of course we have got the comedian Sarah Millican, | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
people like Adele, but I was surprised that the Duchess of | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
Cambridge did not fall into that bracket, because a lot of women | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
will see her as very influential, and has a great role model. I think | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
that caused a lot of debate for the panel as well - should she be | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
included? The conclusion was that she is new to the job, she is very | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
young, she needs more experience. I'm sure in another four or five | :27:33. | :27:40. | |
years' time, yes. Is this going to be done every year? I hope so, | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
because it is really interesting. It makes you wonder why it has not | :27:43. | :27:51. | |
been done before. I know, why did we not think that before? Who was | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
your role model, Tim? I used to like Elvis Presley when I was | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
growing up. Does that count? does. He has always been my hero. | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
Is that a clue as to what you're doing on Saturday night? I am not | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
doing Elvis Presley. But that would be inside my comfort zone. It | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
turned out they could not use the moves which I liked in any dance. | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
Our next guest used to be a policeman. We want you to try and | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
work out from this line-up who it could possibly be. A clue, he also | :28:27. | :28:35. | |
played rugby for England. And also, he was Hagrid's double in the Harry | :28:35. | :28:45. | |
:28:45. | :28:46. | ||
Potter films. And so we go! And he has been on a case for us about the | :28:46. | :28:56. | |
:28:56. | :28:58. | ||
unique prints left at crime scenes, but not from fingers... | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
The force of a bullet can destroy anything in its path - very often, | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
the bullet itself. Scientists are now able to detect the smallest | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
clues from ammunition recovered from the scene of a crime. When a | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
gun is fired, the bullet is scored with a unique pattern, one which | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
will only matched the gun it came from. Here at the National | :29:22. | :29:23. | |
Ballistics Intelligence Service, these patterns can be matched with | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
precision. Take two identical hand guns, both made in the same factory, | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
but can they tell them apart? A bit of a Mexican stand-off here, | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
fortunately they are not loaded, but to me, these look identical. | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
But you can tell the difference? How do you do that? When the guns | :29:44. | :29:50. | |
are manufactured, there are unique markings left on them. They are | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
identical in every respect to the naked eye, but when we test fired | :29:53. | :30:00. | |
the bullets, you can see differences. To make sure the | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
Bullets stay intact, they are fired into water, slowing them down. Both | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
looked identical to me, but under a high-powered microscope, minute | :30:09. | :30:17. | |
differences are revealed. I can see the images of each bullet... If you | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
focus that one on the right, you can see they are quite considerably | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
different. Even me with my Grade C in physics O-level, I can see they | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
are different. But how would two bullets from the same gun compare? | :30:34. | :30:41. | |
So, this is fired from the same weapon. That is leaping out of the | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
screen, that it is a match. Just like matching fingerprints, his | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
ability to link bullets enables the police to see if a gun has been | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
used before. They can even trace a weapon back to its original buyer. | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
Liverpool, 2010. Police received intelligence that illegal guns were | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
for sale in the area. Under cover, they were able to obtain three | :31:05. | :31:15. | |
:31:15. | :31:20. | ||
clock hand guns, but had no idea They originated in America. The | :31:20. | :31:27. | |
Americans started an investigation. Enster Steven Greenhoe, eczema reen | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
and supposedly a former bodyguard to top Hollywood stars. He was | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
buying guns over the counter, dismantling them and smuggling the | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
parts into the UK in his suitcase. When detectives followed him in the | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
US, they were led to a landfill site, where they made a crucial | :31:44. | :31:53. | |
discovery. The former bodyguard had been dumping empty gun cases and | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
vital clues, spent ammunition from the guns he had sold. These rounds | :31:56. | :32:02. | |
from America were scanned into the UK's database. After months of | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
meticulous detective work they had a major breakthrough. Bullets found | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
at a drive-by shooting in this area of Manchester matched one of the | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
rounds from the US landfill. It was starting to find more evidence of | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
the guns. The fact this we have a number of bullets that the | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
Americans have recovered for us and it's on that national database | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
gives us the ability to match those guns. Greenhoe was arrested and | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
found with a new Arsenal destined for Britain. He's been jailed for | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
ten years. Police believe 50 of his guns are still somewhere in the UK. | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
What's more, some of them have been used several times. We've seen one | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
of those weapons used 11 times. times, what are the chances that | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
it's one person using that gun 11 times or is it being shared around? | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
Weons we know are passed around. Sometimes they're even rented. This | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
system here is closing the net in on those rogue weapons that are out | :32:56. | :33:03. | |
there. You're starting to see where they're used. You're building a | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
hard intelligence picture of what's out there. With every shooting the | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
database is updated making new links with guns and ultimately | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
helping to reduce the number of firearms on our streets. | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
Martin, it's fascinating stuff that they're doing there. You talk about | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
closing the net. What effect is it having on British gun crime? It had | :33:24. | :33:31. | |
an immediate effect in its first year. It was linked to 350 crimes | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
linking guns to specific crimes. Since 2005 gun crime has dropped by | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
45%. Last year it dropped by 16%. What's crucial, talking about | :33:39. | :33:46. | |
Greenhoe from America, is that it's also cutting out the armers. We're | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
not awash with guns as the US is. But there's an Arsenal of guns | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
which is being handed around, rented out and used. By being able | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
to match ballistics with the weapons they can make a direct | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
match or have a record which will sit there and wait to come in again. | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
What they had in the past, it had to be a Freedom of Information Act, | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
application to get that stuff. Now police forces around the world can | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
log into this database and get the information they need. It's crucial. | :34:16. | :34:22. | |
And you're a reporter now on Crimewatch. I am. How has that | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
changed your perspective on crime compared to when you were on the | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
force in Bedfordshire. It's 18 years since I was a police officer. | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
The police has changed enormously. Technology is the biggest change. | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
What it reinforces is the basic attitude of the officer is the same | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
- they are passionate about their job. They want to get the job done. | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
Whether it's a simple crime, just helping a member of the public or a | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
major investigation, the police officers really take ownership of | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
it. What I've noticed with the detectives we're talking to on | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
Crimewatch is that they live the crime. They want to make sure that | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
the man is caught, the criminal is caught, the people are looked after. | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
But also, there is this incredible team spirit, this bond, that will | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
never change. Whether it's the police force from 100 years ago or | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
today. The bond amongst the officers is huge. Does it make it | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
easier to do the job because you used to be in the force? I think so. | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
It gives me a certain amount of credibility. I know what they're | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
trying to do. I can understand what they're trying to do. I have huge | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
respect for them. It's a difficult job. Have you solved more crimes on | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
Crimewatch than when you were an officer? We had an embarrassing | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
situation in 1995, we were in South Africa on the World Cup. My | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
colleagues at the police station got old of a promotional cardboard | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
cut out of me and put me behind my desk in the police station and let | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
me know in the six weeks of the World Cup this cardboard cut out | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
did more police work than I'd done. I'm presuming it was actual size as | :35:53. | :36:00. | |
well. How tall are you? 6'10". are an salute unit, aren't you? | :36:00. | :36:07. | |
Absolutely massive. And standing up? Bless you. ( Sorry, how did | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
they let you off from the force to play rugby? They were very good, | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
hugely supportive of me. I was an amateur playing rugby for England. | :36:16. | :36:25. | |
They pulled my leg a bit. I applied for leave to go on a Lions tour and | :36:25. | :36:31. | |
they gave me two days. I needed more as it was an eight-week tour. | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
It's rugby. Relove rugby. We had Matt Dawson on last night talking | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
about the Six Nations. Did you have to give him a booster seat? | :36:41. | :36:48. | |
Crimewatch is tomorrow on BBC One. Our penguin friend are nimble under | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
water but they're no match for these creatures found in British | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
waters. In British waters and throughout | :36:56. | :37:05. | |
the world's oceans, cephalapods are the Top Gun pilots of the sea. When | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
they feel the need for speed, they move using jet propulsion and | :37:10. | :37:18. | |
whilst jet engines use air to achieve thust, they use water. It's | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
an efficient system. Some of these creatures can rocket to 25mph | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
directing themselves with incredible precision, controlling | :37:25. | :37:30. | |
the thrust and speed of their jet power. And to see the system for | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
myself I've come to Bristol myself I've come to Bristol | :37:33. | :37:40. | |
aquarium at feeding time.. Curator Dan has worked here for the past | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
three years and over this time he's been looking after their giant | :37:44. | :37:54. | |
:37:54. | :38:02. | ||
That's really strange. Bizarre. It's so powerful. Each one is | :38:02. | :38:10. | |
completely independent in terms of nerves. That's the jet propulsion, | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
is it? Getting my free showers is all down to its ability to be able | :38:14. | :38:22. | |
to suck water in and then push it out. They draw water into their | :38:22. | :38:27. | |
bodies through the sides of their mantle, this huge flap of skin that | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
covers their heads. That's full of muscles too. Once they draw in the | :38:32. | :38:39. | |
water through the sides it goes through their gills. Then it | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
propels themselves by forcing that water really fast through their | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
siphon. They can move up to 20mph in a very short period. Obviously a | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
very powerful body, powerful muscles to propel himself at that | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
speed. It's amazing. He isn't the only turbo-charged creature of the | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
sea. Squid are the squadron leaders of this world. They can travel up | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
to 25mph and some can use their jet propulsion to fly out of the sea, | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
thought to be a nifty trick to escape predators. But they're not | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
the only one that's can experience this. We can also get to feel that | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
power of jet propulsion using water. I'm not quite sure what I'm letting | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
myself in for. We're at the national dive centre outside | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
Chepstow to try out a new bit of kid that mimics the jet propulsion | :39:34. | :39:44. | |
:39:44. | :39:46. | ||
these creatures use to get about. This is the kit. How does it work? | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
The jet ski sucks up the water, pumps it up this tube and it comes | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
out these pipes here by your feet. Basically it's like having jet | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
boots. The water is forced through the Tube in the same way as the | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
octopus forcing water out through its siphon. Platform shoes - this | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
is going a bit too far. There will be around 60 litres of water | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
pumping from the jet every second, creating a huge amount of | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
propulsion I'm going to have to control. It takes about ten minutes | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
for me to gain some sort of control. It's like being in a James Bond | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
movie, rising out of the water. What's amazing is how sensitive the | :40:33. | :40:39. | |
jets are. You can make tiny movements with your feet to control | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
collection in much the same way octopus use their siphon. Their | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
version is more elegant and controlled than mine. But then | :40:47. | :40:54. | |
they've had years of evolution, and practise. | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
I would love a go at. That As me. Would you fancy a go? I'd love to. | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
I hope my sons weren't watching because they'll want them. That | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
would be an expensive present. Earlier we saw some of the spy | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
cameras that were used in the brilliant new BBC series Penguins - | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
Spy In The Huddle. We have put together our own version of the spy | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
cameras to spy on the penguins of Colchester Zoo. It's perfect | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
weather there, isn't it? Prepare to be astounded. This is | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
going to be great. I'm at Colchester Zoo. I'm with the | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
penguins. The spy cam is astractive some attention or is it the fish | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
that are being held by head of sea lions and penguins, Kate. You love | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
the new series, obviously because you love penguins. What's it going | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
to do for penguin popularity? amazing. The penguins are very | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
popular any way. Everybody loves them and they come to see them. I | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
think they'll be even more popular. We took inspiration from Geoff and | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
John and the cameras they had used and we wanted to infiltrate this | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
colony. Our One Show boffins set about working on our own One Show | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
penguin cam. This is it. I'm going to prop it up. It looks like it's | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
slipping to one side. Let's see if it actually works, if we can get | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
some pictures of these guys. You might need to use the fish in | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
fropbtd of the lens there. They're quite interested. Is this | :42:28. | :42:34. | |
convincing? Well, it's quite a bit bigger than our penguins. It is. | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
But they're not intimidated. They are being quite curious. Naught lus | :42:40. | :42:49. | |
:42:50. | :42:53. | ||
is coming over. -- nautilous. We have tested out The One Show | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
penguin cam here. The One Show boffins tell me it goes at 20mph. | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
We can't use that because it's on gravel. They should maybe have made | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
it look a bit more like a penguin instead. John and Geoff, I hope | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
you're impressed. They are impressed. They have | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
thumbs up. We were reading through the one liners. They're brilliant. | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
What's that coming up there. I've just seen a picture of me about to | :43:19. | :43:27. | |
dance. Sorry. 90% of thieves jokes were horse related. Eric from | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
Norwich says "I got the sack at a fish processing plant. I was | :43:33. | :43:40. | |
gutted." This is from Nick, "My ex- girlfriend was called Theresa Crowd, | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
socialing -- socialising was auk and. Andrew says, I was in the | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
supermarket and the receipt dropped between my feet. I see I'm footing | :43:48. | :43:54. | |
the bill. Jim, "Just from the petri dish festival, the food wasn't | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
great but it was worth it for the culture." I love all these. But if | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
you've seen my act, you'd understand why. One more that leads | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
us onto the dancing. I used to be addict totd hoky cokey, but I've | :44:06. | :44:16. | |
:44:16. | :44:18. | ||
turned myself around. That's from Anni. It's just three days away Tim. | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
Is it, yes, you're right. How much have you been rehearsing? Every day | :44:22. | :44:28. | |
this week. What day is it today? Wednesday. Yes every day this week | :44:28. | :44:34. | |
and then I did four hours last week actually. How's it going? Do you | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
know, what I think I know the moves. Good. When asked to do it in an | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
empty room. The idea of doing it in front of an audience live, I'm | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
worried I'll go blank. To start with you think, yeah this is a | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
great idea. Then the reality hits and you think, what am I doing? | :44:54. | :45:04. | |
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Yeah, yeah. We've been through it. I get lost quite easily, as you can | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
tell. The music is actually a bit of a red herring, isn't it? Do you | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
think you are building it up even more by not revealing it? | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
because nobody is revealing what they are doing. I cannot make any | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
more pressure, I already feel huge pressure. You are up against a | :45:34. | :45:42. | |
whole load of stars, so how do you think you will get on? Seriously, | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
it is all about just doing it once, I am quite sure I will not get out | :45:47. | :45:55. | |
of this heat. I would just like to do it and remember... It all comes | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
in three second chunks, and when I get one of those right, a keeps | :45:58. | :46:07. | |
stopping, as if to say... It is all for a great cause. Can we interest | :46:07. | :46:15. | |
you for next year, maybe, Jenni? definitely not. I did stand up for | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
Comic Relief two years ago, and that was I think the most | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
frightening thing I have ever done. I hold my hand up to people like | :46:23. | :46:31. | |
you. You are so courageous. Especially with that many jokes, | :46:31. | :46:37. | |
that Tim does. At the Comedy Store, you go down a new sea wall of these | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
pictures of every comedian you have ever loved, and you think, what am | :46:40. | :46:46. | |
I doing here? It was really frightening. It is nice when they | :46:46. | :46:53. | |
laugh. That's really nice, when they laugh. He is famous for one- | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
liners, but you will have to tune in on Saturday evening to see how | :46:56. | :47:06. | |
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he gets on. Last week, on this show, concerns over nursing standards | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
were raised by Julie Bailey. It followed concerns over the standard | :47:12. | :47:19. | |
of care at Stafford Hospital, where Julie's mother died. This week, she | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
went to meet some student nurses, who are about to join the | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
profession at a very difficult time. Welcome to this afternoon's second | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
session. It will not be long before these are second year nursing | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
students leave the comfort of the lecture theatre, and head out on to | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
the wards. They explained to Julie why a career in nursing was | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
important to them. I want to have a sense of accomplishment, caring for | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
someone, giving them that sense of understanding, that compassion, | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
which is something I feel I can give.. I have seen enough of my | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
wife's experience in hospitals, and every time she came out and filled, | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
I liked that place, it was because the nurses were good. This was the | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
thing that was going to give me a feeling of self-worth. I have got | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
younger brothers and sisters, and three of them being ill, and seeing | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
what the medical profession has done, the nurses and doctors, it | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
showed me that that was what I wanted to do. Here at City | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
University London, nurses of the future can practise practical | :48:24. | :48:30. | |
skills in this market ward. Senior lecturer Peter told Julie that | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
their compassion is also assessed. Lots of the students have life | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
experience, they may have cared for relative that has needed help in | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
the health system, or maybe they have done voluntary work. What we | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
try to do at the University is to enhance those skills, to help | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
students improve their communication skills, so that they | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
are more sensitive to the needs of their patients. These postgraduate | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
students are also looking forward to a career in nursing. But they | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
told Julie they were worried by the latest scandals to hit the NHS. | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
When I graduate, I want to work somewhere really good, some were | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
where everybody is really professional, and has got really | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
good knowledge to pass on to me. But with these reports coming out, | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
you think, there are all kinds of places which are not brilliant, not | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
top-notch. It is probably likely in the real world that a win and that | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
somewhere in between. And it is how you deal with that which is really | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
important. Being a good nurse, you can be taught about theory and | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
policy, but it is about who you are, at the end of the day. You have to | :49:37. | :49:44. | |
want to care. You either care about people, or you do not. This lady | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
has just retired from nursing after 56 years of service. She told Julie | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
that compassion cannot be taught. There was a headline in the paper | :49:53. | :49:58. | |
not long ago which said - and it upset me dreadfully - that nurses | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
were being taught to care. You go into nursing because you care, at | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
least, that's the way it always was. Interpersonal skills are very | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
important. -- interpersonal skills. Learning to listen to the patient, | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
to the family, is a huge part of it. And us in the profession, we have | :50:18. | :50:24. | |
to learn to listen to each other as well. That plays a huge part. | :50:24. | :50:30. | |
minute, we will be speaking to Christina McAnea, from the Unison | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
union. But first, some of your views, first of all, in support of | :50:35. | :50:43. | |
nurses. An anonymous health worker said, in my experience, well over | :50:43. | :50:44. | |
90% of the health professionals I 90% of the health professionals I | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
work with a dedicated, caring and compassionate. I feel this group | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
has been unfairly representative, and the focus has been unfairly put | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
on the negatives. This has been detrimental to relationships | :50:57. | :51:06. | |
between patients and staff. Stewart says - two years ago and nearly | :51:06. | :51:10. | |
died from untreated diabetes. The treatment I received from hospitals | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
in Stoke-on-Trent and Burton-on- Trent was nothing but exemplary. | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
Nurses were on hand 24 hours a day and would consider it and helpful, | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
even with some of the most difficult patients. This one says - | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
I was treated as a day case in the Royal Marsden Hospital earlier this | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
week, and I cannot fault the level of care and commitment of all of | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
those who looked after me. Perhaps those tasked with making | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
improvements for the NHS should look at what is working well and | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
reward those who were dedicated truly to the health and welfare of | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
NHS patients. This one said, following a significant accident | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
involving myself and a lorry, I spent 14 weeks in hospital, and I | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
could say that without the care and attention given to me by the | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
doctors and nurses, I would not be here. I am currently attending as | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
an out-patient. Can you please not an out-patient. Can you please not | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
paint all NHS staff with the same brush? Very interesting comments | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
there, and thanks for joining us, Christina McAnea. We are all aware | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
of the problems with under stuffing and poor management within the NHS, | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
but would you agree with what the Prime Minister and the Health | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
Secretary have said, that there are some problems with some nurses | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
lacking in compassion? In any profession, some people will not | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
live up to the highest expectations. But you have to take a look at the | :52:28. | :52:35. | |
big picture, which is, of all of the nurses registered, just over | :52:35. | :52:42. | |
half a % are ever referred to the review council. That is a tiny | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
percentage of people who are ever sent to have to answer questions | :52:46. | :52:53. | |
around their professional registration. So, there is no point | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
being defensive about what happened. The Francis report made it | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
absolutely clear that there had been terrible lapses, terrible | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
experiences of patients and their families. But by and large, there | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
is still a lot of trust out there for nurses, and a lot of people I | :53:12. | :53:17. | |
think appreciate the work they do. What do you think the solution is | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
to stop these bad apples tarnishing the rest of the NHS? Will, | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
hopefully, a lot of that will be dealt with when you have student | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
nurses going through the training programme. 50% of the training is | :53:31. | :53:37. | |
clinical, in work experience, and 50% is academic. And they have to | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
do 4,500 hours of training over three years. So, it is probably | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
more than most other academic training programmes. And you would | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
hope that in those circumstances, those staff and those students who | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
are not going to be cut out to be nurses would hopefully be weeded | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
out, and they themselves will have perhaps want to leave the | :53:57. | :54:04. | |
profession. As far as the student nurses are concerned, is it really | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
expressed how tough the job is? Absolutely. People are told right | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
at the beginning the conditions they can expect. But what we would | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
say is, one of the difficulties with training at the moment is that | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
many of the student nurses, their placements can be very short, | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
sometimes a short as two weeks, and we are trying to argue that they | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
should have fewer placements, but for a longer period of time, which | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
would allow them to have much better experience. It will enable | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
them to be part of a team, to get familiar with the work of the other | :54:38. | :54:48. | |
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people around them. Thank you very much indeed. Earlier, we were | :54:52. | :54:58. | |
discussing the horse meat scandal. And Jay Rayner went to meet a whole | :54:58. | :55:03. | |
football club which has decided to do away with meat. The first | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
reaction from the fans was, we do not want this. But it is a change | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
from the normal football offerings. This is Forest Green rivers, a | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
football club which has decided to go vegetarian. -- Forest Green | :55:16. | :55:25. | |
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Rovers. Out go the sausage rolls, in come the vegetarian wraps. It | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
all started when red meet was taken off the menu in 2011. Now, they | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
have gone one step further, banning all red meet products. It is part | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
of a wider, eco-friendly plan by the chairman, Dale Vince, who wants | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
to make every aspect of the club more sustainable. It includes the | :55:44. | :55:51. | |
players and what they eat, as well as the grass they play on. I think | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
it is the first in the world, this grass has no pester lies -- no | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
fertilisers used on it. What is the sustainability issue with meet | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
eating? The world is struggling to feed itself. We have got to change | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
what we eat. Was there not a risk that you might turn off the | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
supporters? What we were really doing was choosing what was on the | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
menu. People do not come to football to eat what you eat for | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
the rest of the week. Come and try something different. In the | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
kitchens, they are attempting to change decades of football's | :56:26. | :56:32. | |
carnivorous traditions, with various meat-free offerings. In the | :56:32. | :56:38. | |
hospitality lounge, what do the players think? You get some | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
vegetables you have never heard of, and you try it and see that you | :56:42. | :56:48. | |
actually like it. Do you sometimes say, if only you could have a | :56:48. | :56:54. | |
stake? No, actually it isn't nice. What about the whole environment of | :56:54. | :57:02. | |
thing? The same. Most important for the manager is the effect of the | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
lack of meat, and the effect it has on the pitch. When you go into the | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
science of what is involved in vegetarian food, and what players | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
need in terms of proteins, carbohydrates, etc, it is ideal. | :57:16. | :57:25. | |
They are becoming better, they feel more energised. The meat-free | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
matchdays do not seem to be doing Forest Green any harm. They are | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
having a cracking season, within a short distance of promotion to the | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
Football League for the first time in their history. But at half-time, | :57:37. | :57:43. | |
as the fans head for the snack bars, the falafel wraps are dividing | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
opinion. I am a massive fan of the vegetarian food, yes. I think we | :57:49. | :57:58. | |
should have meet pies, myself. meat place. It is more tasty, more | :57:58. | :58:08. | |
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healthy, it feels like you are not eating rubbish. -- meat pies, So, | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
time for my own verdict. I have got to say, there has been some really | :58:13. | :58:20. | |
good stuff here. But the pasty? Not so much, not my cup of tea. But it | :58:20. | :58:26. | |
seems on the whole, fans are warming to Forest Green's meat-free | :58:26. | :58:32. | |
policy, with match-day food sales up by as much as 50%. So, are | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
veggie burgers about to replace meat pies on the terraces? Probably | :58:37. | :58:44. | |
not, but we will see in seasons to come. And that is full time on this | :58:44. | :58:50. |