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Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.

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Joining us tonight is Haggis, as we celebrate man's best friend. He's a

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law enforcer with a nose for trouble. What's he got? It looks

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like a card. It is a card, and that's because we're also saying

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congratulations to Alex on her first anniversary at The One Show.

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A year today. APPLAUSE

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Joining the celebrations is a man who was a famous woman, who is now

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a famous man. We're all confused. It's Paul O'Grady!

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APPLAUSE Good to see you. Looking very well.

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Thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure. You went to the

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hairdressers specially for us. thought I'd better come in. I

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hadn't had my hair cut for nearly six weeks. I looked like Dusty

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Spinningfield. My hair grows up. On the plane coming up, the stewardess

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I said "Look at my Barnet." She said "It looks like you've had

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rollers in." While I was there I got threaded. It's painful. Do you

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know what it is? I've got no idea. They take cotton or dental floss

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and do your eyebrows. I said what's that you're doing. Oh, I'm

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threading. Me, you know, I'll have to have a go. I've got eyebrows

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like Dennis Heely, wild, out here. They've done a lovely job. That's a

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nice shape there. That's the first time ever, I hated to say that I've

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ever plucked or anything like that. Would you have it done again?

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was a bit... It does hurt. She's going, it doesn't hurt, does it? No,

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I'm self-mutilated. My eyes were red raw. That's all on eyebrows for

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now. Things are settling down here after last week's riots. Now people

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are looking for things to blame, discipline, gang culture, policing

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and even the hoodie. Dom Littlewood seemed like the perfect person to

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find out why something designed to keep your head warm has acquired

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such a bad reputation. The hoodie, a piece of clothing

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that has become a symbol of teenage menace. It's that anonymous nature

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of who's under the hood that has made the hoodie a desirable uniform

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of gang culture. Hoodie up, head down, moody, swaingering,

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dominating the pavement. Think what has brought that child to that

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moment. I've years later A hooded plague of hooded looters on the

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City streets. Cameron's message now spells out awe clear need for

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action. All-out war on gangs and gang culture. This isn't some side

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issue. It is a major criminal disease that has ininfected streets

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and estates across the country. Stamping out these gangs should be

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a new national priority. The humble hoodie has come a long way since

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being a religious or noble blem. First developed in the 1930s, it

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became a symbol of the underdog by way of the film Rocky. Until taken

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up by hip-hop artists who likened it to a cobra's hood and enjoyed

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the potential to intimidate. What do you think of the hoodie? I think

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it should be banned. For me, I hate hoodies. My son cannot wear them.

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No, you can't ban an item of clothing. The ban members in

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Scotland club each other with golf clubs, what are you going to ban

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them? Gavin Knight is author of the book hood rap. One gang member told

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me they could commit a robbery by simply wearing a hoodie. They don't

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even need a weapon. A lot of these estates you go on, one of the most

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important things is to convey you are capable of extreme violence.

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you think we're too quick to pigeon hole anybody with a hoodie on?

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the person under the hood. You can't criminalise someone through

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an item of clothing. I've set up an experiment, what if the hoodie

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wearer isn't a teenage sner I've chosen the most unlikely of rioters,

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Dave from the props department. Let's see if they give him the time

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of day. Can you tell me the time at all? Yes. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Dave is only wearing a T-shirt. He's very approachable. He

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looks like anybody else in the street. It will be interesting to

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see what happens when I send him out there to do the same thing,

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wearing a hoodie. Have you got the time at all? Sorry. Excuse me.

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Sorry. A lot of people are avoiding him. If they get close to him,

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they're quick to get away. Excuse me, love. It's nice Dave. He's our

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prop man. Everybody likes Dave. Excuse me. All right. Excuse me I'm

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from The One Show. That gentleman came up to you and asked you for

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the time. What was your first reaction towards him? I was

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concerned to see him wearing a hood. I don't like them. Excuse me, mate.

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Hello, I'm from The One Show, describe to me what you thought as

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haeproched me? I moved straight away, I thought he was going to

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snatch my bag. What made you think it? The way he was dressed. Dave's

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64 years old. Frayed so, yeah. lady thought you were going to grab

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her handbag. Now I'm looking at you, you may not have. You have to be

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careful. It's true we all make judgments on appearances. But the

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hoodie strengthens our fear of what we can't see. The question is,

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should they be banned? You start banning items of clothing, where do

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you draw the line? Dave has binned his hoodie after all that. He never

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-- he would never grab a handbag. What do you think of all this talk

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of banning the hoodie? I think it's ridiculous. It's a teenage fashion.

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You look at fashion through the ages from the late 17th century,

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with the dandies. I wasn't around, I hasten to add. Then teddy boys,

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mods and rockers. I was a suede head in my youth. You cut your hair

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really close and shaved a part down the side. You had your Ben Sherman

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shirt on, your army grey coat. My mother used to say "You look

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terrifying". You were quite smart. My only objection to the hoodie is

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you can't see anyone's face. That's intimidating, especially for a

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grown man in a hoodie. It looks ridiculous. People don't put the

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hoodie on very often, do they. you put it up, you think what's

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going on. It's a bit scruffy looking as well. That's the fashion

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today. I think it's daft, it's punitive to say we're going to ban

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all these hoodies. What will they have them out dressed as Eton

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schoolboys. Ridiculous. When you got a bit older, you were scary as

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well. I was well scary. Let's have a look. What's going on there. Have

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you got rollers in? We had a pram race when I worked for Camden

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Council. Her name is Lynn in the pram. We took a gang of kids to a

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holiday camp outside Great Yarmouth. We had this pram. I had about nine

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kids. All they talked about was food. I would feed them in the

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morning, "What's for dinner? "I cooked constantly. St was great.

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That was the pram race. Because I had hair like, out here, just

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shoved a few soup cans in and there you goment The second instalment of

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your autobiography is out, The Devil Rides Out: The Second Coming,

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this is from 18 onwards. Through the start of the book, you had some

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jobs! Court clerk, what's this one? Physiotherapist aide. Yeah.

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Abattoir administer. I hated it. This was all before you got famous.

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You did have a brush with showbiz and a cheesecake, what happened?

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used to do catering. I'd ring them from the phone box in old Brompton

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Road, I only had one recipe that I'd learned along the way. She said

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yes. I would give them the soup and the main meal and then the dessert.

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That's all I could do. They thought I was marvellous. Gene Wilder was a

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guess at this one. I had this cheesecake, which hadn't set.

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flavour was it? I can't remember. Black forest. It was a big sloppy

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cheesecake. I slap today on the plate and he went "Paul, I thought

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you were a class act." You got that wrong, mate. I really enjoyed it.

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It was like Upstairs Downstairs. Do you remember the original oxo

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Casey? No. I used to do stuff for her as well. She was lovely. I got

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to see all these beautiful houses in Sloane Square and things. There

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was no envy. I didn't want to live in them because they were too big.

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How would you clean it? I'm like that now. I look at jumpers and say

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to them "Can you wash this ?" They look at you like you're mad. I'm

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filthy. I'd have no clothes. As a writer, you have a wonderful turn

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of phrase. Cheers. Even the most tragic situations, there's a

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sparkle there. You have to, don't you. At the time, when you're going

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through these dark times in your past, do you Find the Funny side of

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this then, or is it only looking back that you can find it? When I

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was working for Camden Council, you would find yourself living in a

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house for say six months, looking after five unruly kids. I was a

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very strange Mary poppins. You'd have to see the humorous side to it,

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otherwise you'd have gone mad. of revelations in the book. Who'd

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have thought you didn't get divorced until 2005. The happiest

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marriage in showbiz. We never spoke. I never saw her for 25 years. I

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used to work in a bar she was lovely, Theresa. She was a very

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Catholic family who were on her, when are you getting married? Come

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on, I'll marry you. So we did. We got married in marrow Road registry

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office and we had the buffet in our flat. By the time we got back, it

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was rock hard. There's no buffet. We went to work in the club that

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night. She was a good mate. It was nice to be able to do her that

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favour. There was no money or anything involved. It was purely a

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favour. The thing I loved about the book, the way you write you can

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visualise the characters. You feel like you know your relatives and

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the neighbours. How much did they influence the character of Lily.

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Not physically. Not in the way Lily acted. They were as honest as the

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day was long. They could never shoplift and they didn't drink or

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smoke. My Aunty Chrissie smoked. My mum never did. That side totally

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different. I don't know where all that came from. But it was sort of

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the mouth, my Aunty Chrissie had a bit of a mouth on her, you know if

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you crossed her, you'd get it full force. She was very, very funny.

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know, as the rest of the nation does, that you're a dog lover

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indeed. Indeed. You dedicated your book to Buster. I saw a dog in

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Shanghai, who is the ringer of Buster. I thought if she chains him

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up outside the shop, I'm going to nick it. I thought what am I going

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to do, I wouldn't advise it folks. How am I going to get this dog

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through customs. All of a sudden I missed him so much, even two years

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down the line. He was like, he went everywhere with me, all the tours I

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did. He was always in the dressing room under the sink. You know what

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it's like, you get so - I said goodbye to my Meg just two months

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ago. Isn't it heart breaking. know that you're going to

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appreciate this series of films about man's best friend. John

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Ingles investigates how dog breeds have played an important part in

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our own history. Tonight it's the turn of the spaniel.?. They're the

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sniffer dog of choice for police forces around the country. In fact

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spaniels have been serving us in fascinating ways for sefrplg Riz.

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Spaniels are amongst the oldest breeds in Britain with a long and

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colourful history. It's likely that the Romans first brought spaniels

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to Britain and their name comes from the fact they were from Spain.

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And that's also probably the reason there are so many spaniel breeds

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today. From the compact cocker over here to the largest Clumber spaniel,

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they were all spaniel and therefore spaniels to the Romans. They may

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have come from Spain originally, by the 14th century they were firmly

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established in British life. Chaucer referred to them in the

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Canterbury tales and they got a mention in Shakespeare. From early

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on, spaniels played an important role in our lives. One of the first

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spaniels to make it big in British history was one of the smallest.

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Today pet owners try all sorts of treatment to keep their dogs free

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of fleas. But in Tudor England, these toy spaniels were actually

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bred for the opposite reason, to keep fleas off their dirty owners.

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Ladies would put the dog on their lap and hope that all their fleas

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would jump onto the dog. Poor dogs! As personal hygiene improved, their

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dogs were increasingly kept as pets. Their fame was secured when they

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were embraced by royalty. These toy spaniels were given the name

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Cavalier King Charles after King Charles II. Charles grew up with

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toy spaniels and when he became king, he decreed that these little

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spaniels should be allowed to roam all the royal palaces and

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Parliament. And it's thought Charles was the first person to use

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a beware of the dog sign. Not because his dogs were dangerous,

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but to warn visitors to avoid treading on his small spaniels.

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Charles treated his dogs as pets, but other spaniels continued to

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develop their useful skills working as hunting dogs. This is an English

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springer spaniel. Even before Charles II's time, its role was to

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flush out game during a hunt. They would spring the birds out of the

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bushes, which gave the breed its name. Tony Price trains springer

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spaniels as gun dogs for hunting game. A lot of the job involves

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modifying the hunting instinct so they follow command and do exactly

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what's required on the shood. is a MoD rn day working day

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springer, he goes out on shoots hunting and flushing. He's

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descended from a hunting dog. They've never been bred as pets,

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just for hunting. Doing the same job as they've always done. What

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are the skill that's make the spaniel so suited for that work?

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Enthusiasm. He's happy doing his job and he's very trainable.

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springer's ability to learn quickly, to distinguish smells and its

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seemingly boundless energy makes it suited for another kind of work.

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This is police dog Haggis. He works for Surrey Police as a search dog.

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What kind of skills do they bring to this kind of work that makes

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them particularly suited? Their energy and their will to search.

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They can search for a very long time without a break. Whereas lab

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ra dorz, their noses very much, very similar to the spaniel, but

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they can't work for quite such a long time. Has Haggis had a good

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career? He's brought me a great deal of success. He searches for

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firearms. He does cash and also drugs as well. For �10,000 worth of

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cash, a load of drugs, he's been a great asset to the police. From

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attracting fleas to fighting crime, few other dogs have made such a

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colourful and varied contribution to British life as the spaniel.

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Haggis is here now, joined by John Best, head of dog training for

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Surrey police and PC Angie Goudie. There he is. John, how many

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spaniels do you have in the force then? Across the UK, over 500 that

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are all trained to search for drugs, explosives, victim recovery and the

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like. It's not just spaniels in the force. We saw German shepherds

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during the riots. What are they trained to do? Across the UK,

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there's over 1100 general purpose dogs. Some of them have been

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trained to take part in riot control, assisting the police

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support units or trying to keep the crowd away from the police officers.

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We talked a bit about it in the film, but Haggis has had amazing

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drug busts. Yes, he has. He's had fantastic finds. Some have been

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cannabis factories, Class A, over �10,000 worth of cash in Class B

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drugs as well. These finds, it's great to get the big finds, but the

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things that stand out to me are the smaller finds, that you think how

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on earth did that dog manage that. Pineapple, steering wheels.

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Absolutely. We have a sniffer test for you in a little while. You can

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smell them already. On that point, despite many of our best known High

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Street shops going to the wall, one industry is literally making loads

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of dough. Even with the dip, Greggs are still making huge profits.

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There's a knew baker in town, Pound Bakery. It's turning into a battle

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for flour power. It's a familiar High Street scene, rows of empty

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fronts with the odd bank and charity shop dominating. Where many

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big names have struggled, one retailer is doing very tastily,

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thank you very much. From humble beginnings in the 30s,

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selling products from the back of a van, Greggs now has an incredible

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1500 outlets. Their strategy of low prices delivers big profits. More

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than �50 million last year. challenge over the last three years

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has really been trying to help customers to make their money go as

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far as possible. We've been able to do that, at the same time growing

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profitably. Already Britain's biggest bakery chain, Greggs plan

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to add another 600 stores. That means company mascot Sid the

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sausage roll will have his work cut out.

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# Let's make lots of... Money # Especially as there's now a rival

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on the High Street. Greggs plan to swalle an even bigger bite of the

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baked goods market is being undercut by a cheaper rival. You've

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heard of pound shops, welcome Pound It's a bakery shop that sells

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everything for a pound. Your first shop was opened 12 months ago. How

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many shops have you got now? we've opened since then. 36 shops

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in one year. That's phenomenal. know. Those shops never seem to be

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that far away from Greggs. Recession busting prices... It's

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quite aggressive marketing techniques here. We like to be

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quirky. That's what you've got to do. It is tough on the High Street.

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That's why we came up with Pound Bakery. Currently based in the

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North West, Pound Bakery plan to open another 50 stores in the next

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12 months. Enjoy your sausage rolls. People our age, you've got to watch

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the pennies. They're very nice. Nice and fresh. The muffins are

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very good. I used to go to Greggs and I noticed - no, I shouldn't say

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that. I think they put the prices down a bit. Here in Hyde, that

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seems to be the case. In Manchester, a Greggs meat and potato pie is

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�1.20, here they're 99p for two. think what's very interesting about

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the bakery world as a whole is if you were to look in Greggs today,

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more than a third of the products are already less than a pound. It's

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important for customers it's not just about the price, they also

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want to know they've got great quality and that the ingredients

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that go into the food they can really trust. It's a really good

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quality product. We all-a barringin and everyone's tightening their

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belts. We will have to loosen our belts because of the pasties we're

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consuming. Should the health issue be the bakery's responsibility.

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More important is doing what the customers want. They want a great

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tasting pasty. They want comfort food. That's what we do. The

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customer is making that choice. The information is there for them if

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they want it. I'm always a bit dubious about what's in a pasty.

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You're salivating at that. That's made me hungry. It has. It's the

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smell of these. You may be wondering, why do they have pies in

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front of them. What's your favourite filling Paul? You've

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triggered my memory. I love it when I go to South Wales, corned beef

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pie. I went for corned beef, you chose that. I went for steak and

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ale. This is mince and potatoes and carrot. I don't like gristle. Oh,

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Sweeney Todd. We have been having a debate about who has the tastiest

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pie. We couldn't make the decision. We have Haggis here to make the

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decision for us. Let's release Haggis. Come on. Come here. Haggis.

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It's the corned beef. He's a Welsh enthusiast as well. He hasn't gone

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near mine. That's good. I can take it home to eat it. I'm the same

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with steak and ale. He's committed to the corned beef. Don't eat it,

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because I'm taking it home for me tea. He's lick today. Blow it, it

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will be fine. Now it's time for Ruth Goodman to sniff out a

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settlement that's six centuries older than Stonehenge.

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The idea of lost civilisations conjures up images of abandoned

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ruins like the Valley of the Kings or Pompey. What many people don't

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realise is we have one of our own to rival anything in the world here

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off the tip of mainland Britain. Hidden on the Orkney islands for

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almost 5,000 years, it was dramatically brought to light

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during a violent storm in 1850, which ripped open the hill it had

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lain buried in. Very little is known about the people who built it,

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six centuries before Stonehenge was erected. We know Skara Brae is

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Europe's most intact village. Because of the lack of timber on

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the islands everything had to be built from stone, which is why so

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much survives today. But Stone Age certainly does not mean cave man.

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This was a sophisticated society, with the village built over a

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system of drains, more than 3,000 years before the Romans were

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supposed to have brought plumbing to Britain. And all the houses are

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built to the same plan. The focus of the house is the hearth that

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sits in the centre. There's the dresser, which is the most

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prominent feature, that you see when you come in the door. Then

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these beds, possibly? That's right. You could get quite a lot of people

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in this space. You could. This sort of space is actually much better

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than many of the Victorian working- class houses I've been in. How many

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of these houses were there in the village? About half a dozen

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contemporary in the vimage that we have excavated. The Skara Brae

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village is bigger out to the back. We don't know how much we've lost

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to the sea at the front. House seven is the most in tact. It's

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normally off limits to the public, but we've been granted special

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permission by historic Scotland to film inside. This is no ordinary

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house. There is a burial of two ladies under that bed. Not only

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that, but the door here can be controlled from the outside. So you

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could be closed in this house. We've no real idea what this house

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was used for. This might be some form of cult house or a place where

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dangerous things happen. Perhaps it's a house for men struewaigs or

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for women to come off child birth. This is a complicated culture.

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get the feeling that you wouldn't be wanting to step out of line in

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this society. The Orkney islands may seem remote to southerners. In

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neolithic times this was a major hub for sea traffic. Also the soil

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here is very fertile and is still highly valued for its lush cattle

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grazing today. Rising sea levels and increased coastal erosion is

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threatening Orkney's ark logical treasures. When it was first built

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Skara Brae was over a mile from the sea and all this we can see in

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front of us was fields and then reed beds and marshes going out to

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the loch. In the 1920s half of this house here fell into the sea and

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this sea wall had to be put up to protect the rest of the village.

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But erosion beyond the wall continues unabated. Every site is

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unique. It's a permanent loss. You can't recreate it. Quarter of the

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tourists that come here say they come here because of the orkology.

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This is the support for a rural economy. We have to look after it.

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There's a saying if you scratch Orkney it bleeds archaeology. On a

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nearby island Steve and his team are desperately recording what's

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left of another recently revealed settlement. It dates to the Iron

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Age. We know from the sample we took, it's a date from zero to

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100AD. On the other side we've got the remains of a Norse hull. That

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gives us a date of 1100. We have about a thousand years of history

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all sort of stacked up. The sea presumably is taking it aI wai.

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sea has taken an enormous amount of the site away. Wobbly next year

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this may not be here. The Orkney islands are home to some of the

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world's greatest ancient monuments. Yets every year more and more is

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being lost to the sea. Much of it without ever being

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officially recorded and should it carry on unchecked, for more

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reasons than one, this will be a price the Orcadians can't afford to

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pay. Absolutely beautiful. Talking of

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settlements, you have a new addition to your farm. He's a big

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lad now Winston. He was the lamb who got thrown in the wheelie bin

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in Manchester. I said I'll have him. You've adopted him. He's huge. He's

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on the bottle. He comes up screaming. I better give him a

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bottle, shut him up. How does he get on with the owl? He doesn't go

:27:55.:28:00.

near him or the other sheep. They're like concubines in the sun.

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He hasn't twiged he's a sheep yet. He loves human company. He's like a

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dog, follows me everywhere. Brilliant. Now one more thing, do

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you recognise this theme tune. Cagney & Lacey. It is. You're a

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fan? I know them quite well, Sharon and Tyne. What's the connection?

:28:24.:28:27.

They came on the show for my birthday. We got paly and we went

:28:27.:28:33.

out. I have to say Sharon is lovely. Give her my love tomorrow. And tell

:28:33.:28:38.

her, if she wants another dinner, she's on. You could stay here until

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tomorrow. I was going to say. It's a bit of a trek for me. There's a

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nice bed there, do you mind? sit down there. We have Sharon

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