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Hello and welcome to The One Show, with Alex Jones.

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Tonight we're joined by a man who became famous on both sides

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of the Atlantic in the hit US spy drama, Homeland.

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You admitted to being complicit in some kind of fling with you? But

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illegal surveillance, the continuing harassment... That's a

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mischaracterisation. These gentlemen are here to do the same.

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When I saw you downstairs I was shocked that you didn't have a

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Birmingham accent. Everybody expects to hear you and you sound American,

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but that isn't the case. So if you're alright with this we are

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going to play this clip with you in the American accents but we want the

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original Harewood accent. This, ladies and gentlemen, a

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Birminghamland. Here we go. You've been complicit in some kind of fling

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with you, the illegal surveillance Carrie, the harassment... That's a

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mischaracterisation. Listen, love, get yourself up the Blues ground on

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Saturday. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. Brilliant! It

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gives it a whole different feel. Doesn't it. But you do credit

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Birmingham for your career, because you say because of the salt of the

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earth attitude there. They are salt of the earth people. You can't get

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too above yourself in Birmingham. We like people to be real and as they

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are, as it were. You do though have a star on the Broad Street walk of

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frame, do you not? I believe we have a picture of it. I was enormously

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proud, really proud. It is half pride and half trepidation, because

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I know exactly what people do on a Saturday night to those stars. What

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do you mean? I dread to think what goes on the Broad Street on Saturday

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night, but I'm proud that my star is there. We are going to talk all

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about The Night Manager shortly. Matt can hardly contain himself. I'm

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a big fan. He doesn't like much telly but he loves that.

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Today a British company unveiled to the press something its creators

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And, as Lucy found out, it is a flying machine that

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This is the Air Lander. This is Lucy's story behind the world's

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biggest aircraft. We've long been obsessed with conquering the skies.

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By the turn of the 20th century the dream of flying had helped create

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one of the most extraordinary structures the world had ever seen.

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The airship. At 92 metres long, it dwarfed a 747 jumbo, can carry 10

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tonnes offing o and will hold 48 passengers. And this monster is

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officially the biggest aircraft in the world. Chris Daniels is part of

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the team that's helped get this project off the ground. It was

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originally made for a US Army programme. The Government Government

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spent about ?300 million. The Obama administration withdrew from

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Afghanistan, took swingeing budget cuts so cancelled the programme. The

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company offered to buy it for 44 million in instalments, but the

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Americans could only sell it for a one-off payment and so accepted the

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best offer on the table. We ended up buying it back for 301,000 dollars

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and brought it back to the UK. What do you want it for? It does two

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things no other aircraft can do. One, it stays in the air a long

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time. That's weeks at a time. The second thing it does is lands and

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takes off from anywhere and burns very little fuel. So it is very

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green. We think we can make this electric powered and ultimately put

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solar panels on the top of the aircraft and have a completely zero

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carbon aircraft. Let's talk about the facilities. What will passengers

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experience? You've got pretty much floor to ceiling glass. You can see

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everything. There is virtually no noise. There is no vibration. You

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could safely hold a full gin and tonic in there without spilling a

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drop. Airships of old were used in warfare for transatlantic travel and

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Arctic exploration. It seems strange now, but these silent giants were

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once a pretty common sight in our skies. And they were a symbol of

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modernity. But by 1936, after a number of high-profile accidents, it

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was the beginning of the end for airships. David Burns is chief test

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pilot. Are they safe? Do you feel safe? Absolutely, it's very safe,

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yes. We have all the airships nowadays are helium gas as opposed

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to hydrogen, which they used in the past. It has four independent

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engines and if anything fails, I can cope with almost any failure. How

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does it work? The airship weighs 36 tonnes. Most of that is helium gas.

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This can do a job that nothing else can do right now. It can move into

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areas with no infrastructure, disaster relief. Aeroplanes have

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limited endurance. It can stay airborne for days if you want to.

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What appeals to you about flying airships? Looking out of the window,

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the view. For many years, it has been a pipe dream to get the air

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Lander back in the air, and now the engine has been attached the next

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stage is to do just that with a test flight. Airships have been built

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here at cardington for nearly a century now. Although it hasn't

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always been a happy history, our obsession with conquering the skies

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continues. Once again the sky is the limit. Thank you Liszt. With the

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final engine in place the first test flight outside the hangar should be

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taking place within the next couple of months. Let's talk about The

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Night Manager now. It is a big, big hit.ening people are feeling it. It

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is strange for me, because I've been in Los Angeles for the last 8

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months. I've watched it on my computer but I had no idea how

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people were taking to it here. It's been fantastic. Yes, the majority of

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people have seen it. A small section haven't yet, but you are going to

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tell them what they are missing out on and why they should be watching

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it. And why you and Olivia Coleman are trying their best to get Richard

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Roper. Richard Roper senior an arms dealer. These people exist and some

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of them are extremely wealthy. They make a lot of money selling horrible

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weapons to rather dubious regimes all around the world. They are given

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red carpet treatments around the world, sit at top tables around the

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world. They a seem to navigate their way through society making a living

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off these truly awful weapons. And you play an American character in

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the CIA. I've become a professional American. I play Joel Steadman and

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myself and Olivia Coleman, who I think we've had a bit of a

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history... Oh, do you?! Yes, think we've had a bit of a

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have. Hang on... I saw the way her hair went behind her ear. Olivia

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Coleman is pregnant, so is the baby yours? Not in real life!

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Coleman is pregnant, so is the baby LAUGHTER It is suggested we may have

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had previous dealings. I missed that bit. It must have been when I fell

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asleep temporarily. The finale is on Sunday and so far your characters

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aren't having much Sunday and so far your characters

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to the bottom of it. We are going to she an exclusive clip. We can't show

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you in it, because that would give the game away, but please introduce

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it. Tom Hiddleston's character has so far managed to avoid being outed

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as the spy he really is, but so far managed to avoid being outed

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back in the Nefertiti Hotel in care oi where all this began. And boy is

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this tense Ultimatum the prodigal wife brought to heel. Brought to

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heel by what Roper left me an offer, let bygones be bygones. Maybe he

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wanted someone to spy on his girlfriend. Careful, carree. The

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sun's hot out there. APPLAUSE. Oh!

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CHEERING. I completely underestimated how difficult it was

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going to be being an American in amongst so much British voices. That

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was probably one of the eest things I've done as an actor, trying to

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keep this character. It is based on a book. Are there any rumblings of

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any more? More?. There's a rumour of a Night Manager 2.

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CHEERING. It would be fantastic to be a part of. Hopefully things work

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out and I get to reprise the role. That's music to my ears. I'll be

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having withdrawal symptoms. It is a classic British spy drama. We wish

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we did more of them. Le Carre, he's second to none. Back to Homeland for

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a second. You say getting that role saved your career. Yes. You did a

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documentary all about failure and how it is good for you in some ways

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to experience that. You've met, well, Olivia Coleman is one of the

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people you feature in the couplery. Tell us a bit about it. I want to

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the do not a warts and all expose about the business, people think we

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are choosing which script we want to do next and turning scripts down,

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but for most actors it is a struggle. Even when you reach a

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certain level, there is no guarantee you will go on to have a successful

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career. I wanted to give people a feel of what it is like to audition,

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particularly in America. It can be brutal. You can walk into a room

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with 8 people, some looking at their phone or out of the window. You

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could be Ian MacShane or a beginner, but you one into the room and you

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are treated the same. You get 8 minutes or 3 minutes, and you are

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out. They don't say fantastic, or well done, just thank you, and you

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are gone. Sometimes you get the role and sometimes it is cheers, all the

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best. The documentary is for younger actors and for people who are

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perhaps experiencing tough times to say that that's just part of the

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process. That's just what we do. Don't take it personally. It is not

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something you should take to hear. It is just what we do as actors And

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that's on Sky Arts? You can download it and watch it again. You can catch

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the final episode of The Night Manager on Sunday 9 o'clock on BBC

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One. Shortly Frank Gardner will be helping us separate surveillance

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fact from fiction. But first a report from one of our own agent,

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who has gathered inedge on the song which saved the careers of two boys

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from your neck of the woods. Fantastic. 20 years ago a young band

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from Birmingham was riding the gravy train to the top of the charts when

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their second album scored four top 20 hits, including this one. But

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just a few years earlier the fallout following the release of their first

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album nearly derailed their whole career. It started here in Moseley

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Birmingham, this renowned restaurant was once a music venue called the

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Jug of Ale. This was our HQ. It is was where all of our friends were.

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All the bands came here at some point. We were quickly the best band

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in Birmingham. We were one of the only band in Birmingham in all

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honesty. Just us and UB 40. They were soon being feted on TV. This

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week we leave you with Ocean Colour Scene. They give the Late Show a

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sneak preview. They reported their first album and the record company

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brought in a top producer, Jimmy Miller. He was The Rolling Stones

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producer from '67 to '73. He lieblgd to drink. A bottle-and-a-half of

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whisky a day. Despite the band's admiration for Jimmy the record

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company quickly removed him from the project. Ocean colour scene felt

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directionless and it hased the end result. The album went nowhere. It

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doesn't sound like us. It was made by a record company and we were bit

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parts nit. I think everyone said let's leave this, this isn't

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working. Looking back I'm glad it didn't happen for us Thirsk time

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round. We weren't good enough. During this time, Steve started

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working with another musician who had become a good friend of the

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band, Paul Weller. With Steve away on tour, Simon was inspired to write

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a song about the Who's rock opera, Quadrophenia. What was it about

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Jimmy from Quadrophenia that you connected with? He was the classic

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everyman, the rebel in every teenage lad, which I used to be. But the

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song was also strongly influenced by another Jimmy. Jimmy Miller, their

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former producer who the band greatly missed. He was a fascinating bloke.

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In many ways an appalling person but one of the most entertaining people

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I've ever met. We were proud that he was our mate really. He would come

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everywhere with us. He was brilliant. He was brilliant.

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Despite being sacked by the record company, Jimmy Miller made a lasting

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impact on the Ocean Colour Scene sound. And it worked. In 1996, their

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second album, Moseley Shoals, was released to critical acclaim,

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swiftly followed by chart success. The Day We Caught The Train became

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their biggest hit. I remember the chorus, it basically goes... And I

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said, who do you think is going to sing one? When it came to that part

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at Knebworth, there was 125,000 people doing it! Did it feel

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different the second time around Emily yes, it did, it felt like it

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was our time. Within weeks, we were pop stars, which seemed most Julia,

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after seven years. This year, the band is celebrating the 20th

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anniversary of that hit album, Moseley Shoals, joined by the new

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bass player, Ray Mead. For a lot of people, it was one of the albums

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which mark that period. And I guess it makes us very proud, really.

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Good song, that! I swear, you can't stop... Another Birmingham band. Did

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you like them? Fantastic, fantastic. David's new series is a good

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old-fashioned spy thorough. And of course, surveillance is high in the

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news at the moment, and Frank Gardner joins us now. It looks like

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the Investigatory Powers Bill is going to get passed? It looks like

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very much it will happen. Some people have insultingly called it

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the Snooper's Charter. It modernises and updates the existing legislation

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and throws in something new, which is to force internet service

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providers to keep a record for up to 12 months of every single website

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everybody has accessed. That is very controversial. But it does have

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checks and balances. There will be a new judicial commissioner, as well

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as the Secretary of State, who has got to sign off. We will come back

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to that. But while we are talking about getting your hands on

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information, and with David here as well, we're going to look at some

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techniques used by spies in the movies and what have you. But we

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need your help, Frank, in separating fact from fiction. The first one is

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The Night Manager. We are seeing a champagne bottle being emptied, with

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Sim cards. This is the character of Tom Hiddleston who has taken these

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from a wastepaper bin, passed them to the security services, so that

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the spooks can actually access the phone records. This is comms data.

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This is pretty vanilla stuff, not actually very high-tech. Is it

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legal? Well, actually, he is not actually an operative at that stage,

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Tom Hiddleston, but this is potentially misuse of the act. So in

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order for them to do that, they would actually have to get some kind

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of a warrant to do that. So the idea that they can listen to our phone

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conversations, the idea of metadata, is it true, is it something we

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should be wary of, that the Government are sleeping? It depends

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if you listen to Edward Snowden, who would say, absolutely, yes, you

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should be wary. Others would say, no, it is the spooks keeping you

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safe. It is a question of who gets the information. If it is spooks and

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counter-terrorism, most people do not have a problem with that. Who

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wants to see another Paris event here? If it gets passed on to other

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people, it is a problem. Let's now have a look at another one, Enemy Of

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The State. What is going on, Frank? This is nearly 20 years old. Will

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Smith as been bunged by the National Security Agency. In the soul of the

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shoe, there is a little bug. This is old school. They do not really need

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to do that any more these days. What do you carry around every day, all

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day, which tracks everywhere you go? Your mobile phone. So they do not

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need to do that kind of intrusive, personal budding. They could do, but

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they do not need to. Is there any truth in the rumour that Google

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listens to your conversation? People say they could be talking about

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butternut squash and then three days later, butternut squash pops up, an

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advert for it, in their internet browser. Is that true? I don't know

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about Google, but if you are online, if you are using the internet, then

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almost certainly, yes, because they will look at your browsing tips. But

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I think you are talking about the spooks. Sure, they can listen to

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your phone as a potential listening device, and so is your laptop. Thank

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you so much, Frank. On the 23rd of June, we will all be asked what on

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the face of it sounds like a very simple question - "Should the United

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Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European

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Union?" But how many of us really know what effect leaving all

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remaining will have? We have got Chris Mason, AKA Mr Referendum, the

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referendum's biggest fan. He loves it like only a mother could! He is

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here to help us through the confusing detail! Before we speak to

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Chris, here are four people who have already made their minds up.

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I am Tom Jones, I am a Welsh sheep farmer, and I am voting out. I think

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we should leave the EU, from a farming industry point of view, I

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think it would help build a more resilient, more sustainable

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industry. I am not saying it would be easy. There are some tough times

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ahead, but as an industry, we should be standing on our own two feet.

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There might be some drawbacks to leaving the EU, but I don't think

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the culture of support payments is breeding a progressive,

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forward-thinking industry. The EU is a massive consumer of Welsh lamb,

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one of our biggest customers. An exit from the EU might put that into

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jeopardy, but we produce a world-class product and I am

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confident that there will still be consumers therefore it. What it will

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open up is new markets, be it Asia or the Americas, for our lamb or

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beef, reduced to world-class standards, in some of the best

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conditions you will ever find. Hi, I am Sharon, Gtech of Crystal

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Clear International. We make skin care products, and I am voting to

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stay in. I think it is absolute madness to even consider breaking

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away from the European Union. It is all about growing business in the

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UK, and we are putting a lot of money and support into growing

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business. Why would we even consider coming away from 28 countries, which

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does make us a lot stronger, and all the protection that it offers, even

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to the regulations? I know, with skincare, we are bound by European

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rules, which is good thing, because it protects the British consumer.

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Also, for me as a company, we do a lot of innovation, a lot of our

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products, we own all of our own patents. Suddenly to have to start

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looking at each member state and say, we are going to protect it in

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Germany, in Spain, would be an absolute nightmare. But more

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importantly, it would cost us a fortune.

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Hello, I am an entrepreneur and I run a PR company. And I say we need

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to be out of the EU. Too many reasons. From a personal post, one

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of them is trade and talent. Trade, I feel, why should we just be

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focused on Europe's stagnating economy when we have the rest of the

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world, and the Commonwealth which Britain already has relationships

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with? And with the economy moving eastwards, with India and China, I

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think it is silly for us to be insular and only look to Europe.

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From a talent perspective, we are, beating with the rest of the world.

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Why restrict our talent pools to Europe? I think there will be

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jitters, issues to be resolved. There will be a lack of confidence

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in Britain leaving the EU, which will result in an impact on the

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stock market and foreign investment. However, once everybody comes to

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terms with the exit, I think in the long term it will be better for the

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I think in the long term it will be better for the UK.

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Hello, my name is John. I am a taxi driver in Manchester and I am voting

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to stay in. Hello, where are you going? Being part of Europe is

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essential for our growth and development and future. I personally

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have benefited from being in Europe. I have been on courses which have

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been funded by the European Union. I have also noticed as I have driven

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around Manchester and various places in the north, funded by the European

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fund for this or that. So it really makes a difference. I feel that

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being part of this huge marketplace as well as the economy, and

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culturally it gives us benefits as well. Most people in Europe love the

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UK. Everybody I speak to who comes over to Manchester from anywhere in

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Europe seems over the moon that they are in the UK, it is a great place

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to visit. Surely being a member of this club must be worth it. I think

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it is a question of being in this European market, where we have got

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free travel and we can come and go as we please throughout Europe. I

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think it is a club which is definitely worth being in.

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Those four were clearly concerned about the effect the result will

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have on their business. We will be looking at other aspects of the

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debate in the coming weeks. We have got Chris Mason with us. Your job...

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Is a nightmare! It is a bit of a nightmare, because on behalf of the

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BBC, your job is to get people excited about the referendum, which

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let's face it is not easy. It is a tough gig, because the EU can be

:26:25.:26:28.

baffling and a bit boring, because it is so complicated. People think,

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I'm not sure I want to engage with that! It is a bit like when you take

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your car in for an MOT, and you turn up to collect it, and the mechanic

:26:40.:26:43.

has got the keys on the desk, and he says, you can have it back, but do

:26:44.:26:47.

you want this carburettor or that carburettor? I just wanted to go! It

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is a political institution, you expect it to get on with itself and

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either have a relationship with the UK or not. And suddenly we have got

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to come to a judgment in three months and two days. As we saw from

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the film, it is clear that there is no right answer for everybody. Is

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that what struck you? Yes, when you look at the film, you see the kind

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of conversations which are going on, when people ARE willing to engage!

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And white at the heart of it are facts which can be contested. You

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can hear two facts and you think, they contradict each other. One of

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them surely must be wrong. Take John in the film, who was saying, he

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would go along to a course paid for by the EU. So he will say, thumbs up

:27:32.:27:36.

to Brussels. Others would say, hang on, we pay more into that club then

:27:37.:27:41.

we get out because we are relatively rich, and it is kind of British

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money which has gone into a European bank account and been sent back. The

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lady who was saying, time to get out, we have got a great

:27:50.:27:53.

relationship with the Commonwealth, who needs EU? And yet others, people

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on the inside, would say, maybe you can have a bit of both. So those

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facts can contradict each other, all over this debate. I was thinking,

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what side are you on? Looking at your tie first of all, talk us

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through that. This is strict BBC impartiality. The EU flag normally

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has 12 stars on it, so this one has got five and two halves of the other

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thing is, BBC reporters always say, on the one hand this, on the other

:28:26.:28:30.

hand that. Never mind that. On the 1ft this... On the other foot that!

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He is good, isn't he?! You will have to come back, my friend.

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That's all we've got time for tonight.

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The final episode of The Night Manager is this Sunday,

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Join us tomorrow, when Daniel Mays will be here.

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