Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined by Melvyn Bragg to celebrate the return of The South Bank Show. Sir Michael Wilshaw reveals his latest plans for English schools.
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Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones.
And Matt Baker. Sometimes our strawberries can be lowbrow. But
tonight we're going high brow in a big way. We welcome the manner of
real culture, not to mention the man with the best hair on TV. It's
Melvyn Bragg. It looks great, even when it is on.
I am joking! I want to check how highbrow you are. What was the last
thing you watched on TV? Chelsea against Munich. I am not a Chelsea
fan at all but I like our teams to win and it was the end of a fantasy
season in football. Goals in the last two seconds, I was enthralled.
It is like a drama with a satisfactory ending. We watched it
with no sound through a pub window. It wasn't very highbrow!
Tonight we are going live to the Eurovision Song Contest. Is there
time in your cultural calendar for Eurovision? Yes. I want to see
Engelbert do his stuff without any question. I don't follow the
Eurovision Song Contest, O K, but from the very beginning, the South
Bank Show brought into British arts programme pop music. Our first
programme, we had Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Dolly
Parton. Out of that came of it anything as good as what was coming
in. So I want to watch Eurovision to see Engelbert. Here is is the
very him, then Hump, in Azerbaijan. Hello, this is Engel but all the
way from Baku and Melvyn, I am bringing you some high culture all
the way from Azerbaijan. See you later! He is even reporting on the
One Show! Also on the show tonight, find out
what happened when our "Famous Five" friends who grew up in a
Barnado's home together met up for the first time in 50 years.
Get your hankies ready, it's going to get emotional.
We all know that councils across the country are having to make
drastic cuts and local libraries are particularly in the firing line.
Some have managed to stay open through the dedication of
volunteers - but can this work for every library?
Anita Rani has been to find out. Libraries have always played a
really important role in my life. I love everything about them, that
warm feeling, the distinctive musty smell and the fact that you are
surrounded by it all of those brilliant words. But with squeezed
budgets, local councils are having to make difficult choices and
across the UK, many libraries are closing or reducing their opening
hours. These used to be the library for Barnet in north London but it
doesn't exist anymore and that has prompted an angry protest from the
people who once used it. Last month some of the locals decided to
occupy the building in protest. People feel that the library is the
centre of the community. We cannot destroy this sense of community.
The council told us budget cuts meant they had to save �1.5 million
from the library service and they acknowledge that not every resident
would be happy with the changes. feel devastated that my local
library has closed and it doesn't seem right. The community said no,
all the schools and businesses has said that the library needs to stay
open. In the weeks following the closure, the protest group decided
they would try to run their own makeshift library on Saturdays. It
relies on the honesty of local people to return the books.
According to the group, the council have offered them a building where
they can run their own voluntary library but this campaign it is
keen to find out if the library run by volunteers can ever hope to
survive in the long term, so I am taking him on a trip outside London.
In Chalfont St Giles, Buckinghamshire, they have set up a
library with no professional staff. The One Show first pay them a visit
to make three years ago and now I am taking Martin to see what he
thinks. We fought tooth and nail for the library not to be shut and
in an ideal world, you want it to be run by the county but
unfortunately, there is not the money to do it. So in Chalfont St
Giles, the local people agreed to keep the library running themselves.
The people do not get paid but the library does get grants. They also
lost uses a voluntary �10 annual subscription to help with costs.
is going extremely well and a huge improvement from when it was won by
the county. When they closed it, there were 4500 books. There are
now 7,000 and it is open 50% more of the time. They have even managed
to keep the children's groups going. Storage time is happening behind me.
I will join them. They have had the same books on the shelves for years.
But now, a lot of them or given by the people in the village and the
literary quality of the books has gone up. Do you think this could be
rolled out across the country? You desperately need community like
this, with people know each other and are prepared to help. So what
do you do in and not particularly affluent community? The authorities
really have to keep those libraries going. Martin is really impressed
with what he has seen in Chalfont St Giles and the six of the
volunteers have had been improving it, but could something similar
work in Barnet? -- the success. It is no replacement from paid
librarians and a paid library service. In Barnet, the Community
Library is continuing to operate but campaigners do not want that to
be a replacement. None of us have the time and inclination to run
this service. We have families cannot working full-time and
studying. We are disappointed the council is not listening to us.
campaigners are considering whether one course of action is to
challenge its closure in the courts. In other parts of the country, some
councils have been forced to rethink their plans to close
libraries. Melvyn, did libraries play the big
part in your growing up? At one stage in my life, they were
everything. We did not have books. We lived in a council house. I used
to go with my dad on Tuesday and Friday nights. Mr Cameron was the
librarian. He would say, I think you should read that. For five
crucial years before I went to a school with a library, I read and
read from that library and these volunteers are fantastic and they
are all over the place. Good luck to all of them. For many people, it
is the entrance to 100 new worlds. And you said you are donating your
books to a library in London. We could not have you on without
playing a bit of this. The theme tune to the South Bank Show. It is
brilliant. The South Bank Show is back on Sunday. You have six hour
shows. We are starting on Sunday with Nicholas Hytner, the director
of the National Theatre. Some people thinks that is the greatest
city theatre in the world and some people think he is the Best
Director in the world. Pat Barker, who writes about the First World
War, marvellous novels. Then these lads in the East End of London and
their music, Dizzee Rascal. Different! Then we have a male
ballet dancer -- belly-dancer, Carlos Vela Costa and others. And
then women singer-songwriters and Ben Nicola Benedetti in fairness,
Scotland, Brazil and London. I think it is quite a six pack!
Here you are interviewing Nicholas Hytner, talking about James
Corden's play, One Man, Two Guvnors. The idea was to do it with James
Corden and not do it as a kind of pastiche from today, but let's try
to recreate a tradition which I think is still very much alive, the
tradition of English comedy. Carry On comedy. Yeah! LAUGHTER. APPLAUSE.
That is the first one. James Corden is fantastically funny. I must have
seen that clips several times and he always makes me laugh. We went
to the States to see what would happen with a very English comedy
went to Broadway in the United States and is slaughtered them!
People were almost crying, you know when you are rocking in a big
audience! Richard is such a good writer, it was marvellous. And then
you go to cover some crime. Are you surprised you shows that? -- crime?
We should point out that that is a type of rap music. Yes, rap music,
classical music, and then these lads in the East End next to the
richest part of the country, Canary Wharf, with the biggest youth
poverty in the UK and these lads in these three blocks of flats have
made their own music and they are very proud of it. It is Dizzee
Rascal and wily and they will not have American accents. Did rap
music grab you? No. I like it now but I came to it very late. Archie
power well, one of the directors. If you are on a programme as varied
as mine, you cannot know everything. The director got these people
together and persuaded them to do it and they were not too keen
because they had done it all to themselves. I really cannot tell
you how moving their strawberry is. These young lads have as near to
next to nothing as you can have -- moving their story is. It is so
moving. They remind me of the Liverpool scene in the early 60s
with McCartney and those guys, going to do music and nobody is
going to stop them and they are given to get on with it. Few have
interviewed a diverse range of people but he would you like to
interview that is not with us any more -- you have interviewed?
would like to have interviewed Elvis Presley. What would you have
asked him? Partly, why did he make so many rubbish films. I would not
have dead! I would ask him about the early days. He had the voice of
a saucer Rock. He could have been a great opera singer. And then a man
called Samuel Beckett, who wrote Waiting for God go, which is a play
I could see again and again. Those two. The South Bank Show starts
this Sunday at 10pm on Sky. Late last year we featured the
Mossbourne Academy. A school in the deprived London borough of Hackney.
Mossbourne's head teacher Sir Michael Wilshaw insisted on old
fashioned values like standing when the teachers enter the room and
reciting a mantra at the start of lessons.
Since then Sir Michael has become the head of Ofsted, whose job it is
to inspect schools in England. And he has some radical ideas on how
every school should change, but not everyone agrees.
So, we called a staff meeting. And invited teachers from two Essex
schools. You might recognise some of them from the fly-on-the-wall
documentary Educating Essex. They started off their discussion
talking about unannouced inspections.
It is interesting that both of you as head teachers come when you said
about the Ofsted inspection, there was no notice, you both said you
had to protect your staff. I have a right to prepare them for the
scrutiny and the inspection. No notice inspections are divisive and
unfair to the children and to the staff. I do not think that is at
all right. It is another example of not trusting schools almost. One of
the thing that resonated was that quote from Michael will sure that
teachers do not understand what stresses and that we needed a
reality check. I have been in the profession for over 30 years and I
do not think there has been a period where teachers have worked
harder. There is the inference that we tolerate mediocrity and that we
do not have that expectation from students and the staff. When we see
them questioning our professionalism and dedication to
the students, that only has a detrimental effect on us.
Michael Wilshaw is said to have commented that you should have
pleasure that morale is low amongst your staff as a head teacher. Our
worry about that. With good morale, you feel happy, people are valued,
it is a good message and we believe in that. I work in a great
department and we all get on really well and we enjoy what we do and if
we have a stressful day, we help each other out and that does keep
you going. Why would anybody say that they would like staff morale
to be low? That makes no sense. think that is about his choice of
words. He would say, I don't mean that. He makes a blunt statement.
If I have loads dope -- Low Row I must be doing a good thing. No, he
will have constant turnover of staff and supply teachers, no
consistency, sickness rates. I do not see him as a bad person and the
enemy of teachers. His heart is in the right place but unfortunately
at the moment, he is just getting it wrong with how he sells his
message. He is a teacher! Ultimately this is a man who has
done the job and done it brilliantly. I just want him to
help me to do it brilliantly. Thanks to the teachers of and St
Thanks to the teachers of and St John's and Passmore's Academy. Did
you mean what you said about low morale amongst staff? That was
taken out of context. I was taken to task a member of staff who was
teaching poorly. He wrote a three- page letter the following day
saying what an awful person I was an same staff morale was at an all-
time low. I said, sometimes, when you have to take on the challenging
situation in a failing school, this sort of accusation might be made.
Staff morale was at an all-time low. This is the sort of accusation that
can be made. It was taken out of context. What sort of things did to
implement and other schools should follow suit? Mossbourne was in a
very disadvantaged part of London. It was on the site of a badly
failing school. It served children from poor backgrounds. The children
achieve well above the national average. Where there are three
things you said you did? realised we had to make no excuses
for them - no excuses for their background. We said, we do not care
what background to a from. We expect you to achieve. -- you are
from. We worked hard in the evenings and at twilight sessions
and at the weekends and make sure they were supported to get them
through their exams so they would do well. I saw one episode from
that programme and they did the same. They saw their
responsibilities and duties outside the classroom as well as the inside.
A lot of our youngsters came from very unstructured environments. We
introduced a lot of structure to their lives. All the rituals and
routines you saw in the clip helped to create a good structure in which
good teaching could go on. I used to say, we run a formal institution
but when you are in the classroom, we want you to be innovative and
interesting and make your lessons come alive. One hot topic is
unannounced inspections. The teachers prepare, don't they come
up for inspections. What do you think you will gain by that?
have yet to make a decision on this one. The idea behind it was that
there was a lot of stress that comes in before an inspection.
People get very stressed. I have seen it over and again as a teacher
and her head teacher. I think when inspectors turn up on a morning
that stress levels would be lower. The second reason is, I think
inspectors want to see a school as it really is and not changed for an
inspection. Just to seat a normal school as it is. We have taken into
account lots of responses to what we propose. Some head teachers so
they need to be there and they might be out of schools. What other
chances of parents seeing that in children's schools right across
England? Parents would be good school for their child. We have one
in three schools at the moment that are not good - satisfactory and
below. I have made it clear that I want to seat all schools good or on
a journey to being good. That is the important thing. That is what
parents and kids want. And it can happen? I hope so with the measures
we are putting in place. The second part of the amazing story of those
Barnardo's girls separated from each other or loges a go. -- all
those years ago. They were aged just -- between just one Aberu
Kebede and eight and their families could not look after them. -- four
and eight. The five girls are now women in the 60s. They are spread
all over the world. They have not seen each other since the day they
left this has 50 years ago. In a few minutes we would be reuniting
this unique set of friends at the very same house that holds very
powerful memories. You never felt alone. We were always there for
each other. The four other girls were my family. Five children,
split up, go different ways, in different countries, how could they
get together? I feel really excited about it. It is like a part of my
life is put back together. It is like we were torn apart and put
back together again. In my mind's eye, they all look the same. They
will not have changed. They have travelled from as far afield as
America and Australia for this moment. Back at their old
Barnardo's care home together, for the first time in 50 years. Oh, my
gosh! Patsy! I recognise you. wonderful. As soon as they step
through the door of their former childhood home, though shared
memories come flooding back. This is where you do the dishes. We used
to scrub the floor on our hands and knees. I spent hours in here.
has changed. Much has changed in the 50 years since the women lived
here. The house has become a private home. In that old bedroom,
at the back of the wardrobe, a poignant reminder of their time
here it remains. Patsy, Pam. Nobody painted over it! A what is it like
to see all your names all those years on? It brings you back to
those times. There is no awkwardness at all. It is like we
could move back into this house and it would be the same. You will suit
-- still be Baby Pam. The garden was the big reward for chores well
done. We played croquet a lot on our holidays. You could remember
yourselves playing together outside in the gardens. It brings a lot of
memories back. We did not have that. I am still wondering if it is real.
You were the last original ones. There have been so many years
waiting for this and not really knowing. At that moment, it hits
you that here they are, in flesh and blood. I am emotional now.
Whoever would have thought! For me, it is like having my family back.
We were family. Do you know what I think we should do? You know the
photo, let's blind you all up doing exactly the same 50 years on. --
That has made me go all tingly. Do you want eight issue? It is
wonderful news. They join us now. - - a tissue. Did you watch the
episode last night? Yes, we did. All emotions. The reunion happened
last Sunday. What did you do? How did you celebrate? Oh, my gosh!
What did we do? You just looked at each other, I expect, just held
each other. Did you have drinks? We'd just when the nest. Did you
recognise each other straight away -- we just reminisced. We recognise
each other's straight away. could see the features on the faces.
It came out at that moment. What happens from here? You are
incredibly close but your lives must be so much richer. Australia
next. You are all salted for holidays. We are already planning.
-- sorting. We will be on the internet. We will make plans. There
are plans in the works. My sister and I are going to see about
Australia. We are already hoping to do something. You look so happy. It
is magical. You are very excited because we have Engelbert
Humperdinck on. You have seen him in Tampa, haven't you? Can he do it
for Eurovision? He is representing as in the Eurovision Song Contest
will start I did not know anything about that. Do not go back to
America! We are going to go live to the crystal ball. Scott Mills is
covering Eurovision for BBC Three. He is with Engelbert Humperdinck
now. Can you hear us? It is midnight over there. It is. It is
about a million degrees in the stadium. I am with the man who is
the only hope for us in the UK - Engelbert Humperdinck. I have seen
your rehearsal. Arlene Phillips has been involved. She has been amazing.
She has given me the professional tips I needed. We stand a good
chance. How are you feeling? I am first on. First out of the gate is
good. You can get out there and tried to keep the lead. If tonight
we have the semi-finals on BBC Three at 8pm. There are two to
watch out for. The first is the Russian grannies. They are from a
little town in Russia. They are trying to get funds to rebuild
their church, which Stalin knocked down 70 years ago. The other ones
are Jedward. What you think of that? One is for the very young and
the others up for the adults. Both are very talented people. I
consider them competition and I hope they consider meat like that
as well. You have been here for a few days. How are you finding it?
The whole thing is magnificent. Security is really tight. I could
not get in tonight. More security than you have ever seen before.
is an amazing place. It is beautiful. We will see you on the
final on BBC One on Saturday. Join me and Sarah Cox on BBC Three at
8pm for the Russian grannies and Jedward life. The semi-finals are
on BBC sleep tonight and Thursday and the finals are on Saturday. --
BBC Three. Can he cut through the political nonsense and win it for
us? Absolutely. He was on the circuit in the sixties when he was
up against the best competition in the world and he still held his own.
Matt Baker and Alex Jones are joined in the studio by Melvyn Bragg to celebrate the return of The South Bank Show. Sir Michael Wilshaw, the controversial new head of Ofsted, reveals his latest plans for English schools and Engelbert Humperdinck comes live from Azerbaijan.