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And welcome back to Michael. Thank you. Our guest to night is not a | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
person but a whole country. Our audience are Germans, fans of the | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
teams facing each other at Wembley tomorrow. And to get into the mood, | :00:38. | :00:44. | |
we have German names. She is Olex Heinz Steiger Jones. And here's Herr | :00:44. | :00:54. | |
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Ball. Do you want to calf. First, a German comedian, Paco Erhard. Paco, | :00:55. | :01:05. | |
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how are you? Nice to see you. this reserved? Did you reserve it? | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
It was not me. What do you think about those stereotypes? The beach | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
towels. I would not hate it so much if it were not true. I go on holiday | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
and I see my countrymen do it and I think, what rock did they crawl up | :01:25. | :01:31. | |
under from. I do not know these kind of able back home. But they do | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
exist. They do, and I apologise.The irony is you are wearing a union | :01:37. | :01:47. | |
Jack jacket. I am the most British thing here. Your name is not German. | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
I lived in Spain for eight years. In Spain, they called me Paco. I like | :01:53. | :02:00. | |
it. We know that the Germans are up for a laugh because we spotted these | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
pick jurors in and around London. They have draped towels over the | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
deck chairs, not that you need towels or deckchairs in this | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
weather. This show is not about football but the rivalry between our | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
two great nations. We will be joined by the author of a book called How | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
To Be A Kraut. And Justin Rowlatt, who we sent to live in Germany, with | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
his family for a few weeks. audience will be pleased to know | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
that Germany has just been voted the most popular country on the planet, | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
according to a BBC World Service poll. Where was Wales?I don't know. | :02:39. | :02:49. | |
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So should we just lie back and let than us at a variety of things. | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
Great electronics, their beer is among the best in the world, and | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
according to a recent survey they are the most positive about Europe. | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
So, is the answer to our woes to be more like the Germans? Would it | :03:07. | :03:15. | |
stick in your throat to say, I am a Berliner? Germans are known for | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
being productive and efficient. This has helped them grow their | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
manufacturing industry to the powerhouse that it is today. Their | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
schools do better than ours on international league tables, and the | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
official verdict of the United Nations is that they are actually | :03:30. | :03:36. | |
happier than us. So what have they got that we haven't? When we work, | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
we work. Not much small talk and not coughing all the time. Is there | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
anything here you cannot get your head around? I love Britain but | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
things just do not work and everybody seems to accept it, and | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
for a German that is outrageous. Your passion for queueing, we do not | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
share that. The queue means that something is not working. What are | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
the biggest misconceptions about Germany? No sense of humour, not | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
very nice. This is partly because in Germany things are | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
compartmentalised. But the worst misconception is that we like David | :04:12. | :04:20. | |
Hasselhoff. I grow you must like him, because you are German. Call me | :04:20. | :04:27. | |
a Nazi, but don't call me a fan of his. In Germany, and employment is | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
lower, and on the football pitch, we lose again. We won the World Cup | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
once but they have got their hands on it three times. How do they | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
manage it? It is a mixture of luck and tough reforms over the last | :04:39. | :04:46. | |
decade. Germany has benefited from below exchange rate of the euro, | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
which has helped exports and the manufacturing sector. The element of | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
achievement is that Germany and lamented a number of tough reforms | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
over the last decade, which has helped them overcome high | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
unemployment and make the labour market flexible, which has helped to | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
create jobs. So there are some differences, but we also have a lot | :05:04. | :05:12. | |
in common. We love the pub. Our language is closely related. And the | :05:12. | :05:22. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 48 seconds | :05:22. | :06:11. | |
Anglo-Saxons, the forefathers of the they are not perfect. We delivered | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
the Olympics on time and on budget, so Alex, asked the Germans in the | :06:15. | :06:22. | |
studio about how this brand-new airport in Berlin is getting on. | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
will do that. Paco has been joined by former Perlin correspondence of | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
the times, Roger Boyes, and Justin Rowlatt. Paco, what is the deal with | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
the airport? It does not sound as if things are running as efficiently as | :06:37. | :06:44. | |
they should the. I do not know what is going on. As far as I remember, | :06:44. | :06:51. | |
it should have been finished in the early 1970s! To be honest, by now I | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
think it is a scheme by the German government. Everybody in the world | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
is now thinking, thank God, the Germans make steaks, too. They are | :06:58. | :07:05. | |
human after all. Apparently they do not know how to turn off the lights | :07:06. | :07:15. | |
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at the airport. Lights on would be a problem. Take the plug out. You | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
wrote a book called How To Be A Kraut. Yes.Do the Germans mind us | :07:22. | :07:31. | |
calling them that? Not if you say it loud enough. It is short for | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
sauerkraut, and they like that, so I do not see the problem. What do they | :07:35. | :07:45. | |
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call us? Tommies. Why? Don't mention the war. How do you feel about the | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
result of this poll, saying Germany is the most popular country in the | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
world? We are confused. The last people who liked the Germans are the | :07:57. | :08:05. | |
Germans. Do you deserve it?I think so. When we travel, we basically go | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
around the world saying, I am from Germany but I am not a practising | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
German. We are not comfortable with ourselves. It is weird. The first | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
thing we say, why don't they like us, it is terrible. And then this | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
comes out and we say, have they forgotten the Holocaust? We are | :08:24. | :08:31. | |
awful, stop liking us! We are strange. You like the Germans. | :08:31. | :08:38. | |
like the way they beat themselves up like that. We do, don't we? Justin, | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
you lived in Germany for a documentary we will show in the | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
summer. What were you doing? idea was to live like a German. I | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
got a German flat and job and I worked in a pencil factory. The | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
Germans dominate the world pencil industry, still. They make one sixth | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
of the world's pencils. How big is the pencil industry anyway? We went | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
to work in a pencil factory. I made pencils. We had a little flat in a | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
city called Nuremberg. Let's have a look at him becoming a German | :09:13. | :09:23. | |
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worker. It is making 336 pencils each minute. Already, I have made | :09:23. | :09:33. | |
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1500 pencils. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens. We did it. | :09:34. | :09:44. | |
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certainly did. The idea was to avoid German stereotypes. The last thing | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
we wanted to do was to make the mistake of having any stereotypes. | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
You had a German baby! That was quick! Tell us about the lederhosen. | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
I was given them and then encouraged to wear them. It is actually quite | :10:01. | :10:10. | |
comfortable. I think I would look good in them. You have got the legs. | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
We have some very handsome lederhosen whereas over there. | :10:14. | :10:21. | |
wife is also there. How different was it? Two thirds of German women | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
stay at home, while just one third of buttons do. You must have been in | :10:25. | :10:32. | |
your element, as a stay at home mum. No, I am a working mum. I always | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
considered Germany and earnest and thoughtful culture but women tend to | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
be nudged out of the working place. I became a reluctant housewife, to | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
my horror. That did not suit me. I loved everything else about Germany | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
but I was not keen to give up the working life. Roger, how do Germans | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
view the British? Though I think they see us as amusing, eccentric | :10:55. | :11:05. | |
losers. But when you get down to it, we are very similar. We are like | :11:05. | :11:12. | |
pale cousins of each other, pale, freckled cousins. We ask the | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
neighbours what they knew about England and they said they heard | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
nothing about written in Germany. It does not really exist on the German | :11:20. | :11:27. | |
map. -- Britain. German newspapers are already complaining about the | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
quality of the food at Wembley for the champions league final. The | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
cheek of it! But can Jay convince them to ditch their bratwurst for | :11:35. | :11:43. | |
some good old bangers vesture Mark know nothing about football, but I | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
do know about sausages. Behind me are a bunch of German football | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
fans. The Germans generally beat us at football, but can we beat them at | :11:52. | :12:02. | |
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sausages? An award-winning sausage map made from a recipe going back | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
five generations with lots of herbs and a little bit of spice. Let's see | :12:06. | :12:15. | |
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what they make of it. Try my traditional sausage. It is small. | :12:16. | :12:23. | |
How big do you want it to be? Traditional British sausage. You do | :12:23. | :12:33. | |
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not like it at all? Tasteless. Tasteless? ! It is dry.What have | :12:34. | :12:43. | |
you been eating? German sausages.I suppose we would call that one nil | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
to you, although I disagree. This is a Cumberland sausage, made from a | :12:50. | :12:58. | |
recipe dating to 1863, 90 5% poor. It is the king of sausages. Let's | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
find out what the Germans think of these. -- 95% poor. I have a sausage | :13:05. | :13:14. | |
that you will love. Would you go so far as to say that you like it? | :13:14. | :13:24. | |
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Too much herbs? Is it better than German sausages? No. He says, if you | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
taste the German sausage, you know it is German. It is basically the | :13:32. | :13:42. | |
best in the world. Finally, the Oxford sausage. Like the Cumberland, | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
it dates from 1863, said to be inspired by the city of Oxford. It | :13:48. | :13:57. | |
has a hint of lemon. I wonder what the Germans will make of this one. | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
am a bit scared already. You are scared? I am terrified! What could | :14:03. | :14:13. | |
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possibly go wrong? No? Eat the dam sausage! It tastes like a hot dog. | :14:17. | :14:27. | |
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Yes or no? No. I did my best. I argued the case. What is the | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
difference between British and German bankers? German sausages tend | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
to be more processed. The other difference is the cooking method, in | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
that most German sausages are poached before being sealed. It is | :14:44. | :14:54. | |
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ready good way of cooking. Poached them and then sealed off. I have | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
brought various things in. Don't touch these, they have been on the | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
set for a while. The currywurst -800 million of these sold every year. | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
The Germans have the bookish to thank for this, because it was a | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
German who got the ingredients for the source ash Worcester sauce, | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
curry powder and ketchup, from the British forces in 1949 in Germany | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
will stop if not for the British, we would never have had a currywurst. | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
You can't go wrong with one of those, surely. Pass it over here. | :15:27. | :15:37. | |
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What else have you brought? . is a black first Gato full stop it | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
is a very serious tech. -- a black forest Gato. It has to contain | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
Kish. It was the pudding of choice in the 70s. It has come back into | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
fashion. Justin, while you were in Germany, what did you think of the | :16:04. | :16:10. | |
quality of the food? There is some really good food in Germany. There | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
is more variety than I expected. There are a lot of heavy stews and | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
sausages. I think British sausages are better. I think the Germans | :16:21. | :16:28. | |
overprocessed bears. But there is some good food in Germany. They have | :16:28. | :16:34. | |
their own pizzas and noodle dishes. It is a very diverse cuisine. | :16:34. | :16:43. | |
you agree? Yeah. It is a very rural place. The idea of farmers' markets | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
started in Germany. We think we are at the cutting edge, but the Germans | :16:47. | :16:54. | |
were there first. You can get really fresh chicken. Still alive?Yeah! | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
sauerkraut still popular? It is. Growing up, I had it about four | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
times in my life, and I hated it. Sauerkraut is fantastic. Then you | :17:06. | :17:13. | |
are more German than I am. It smells very strong. It can be nice, but the | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
French do it better. We may not have persuaded any Germans or these guys | :17:18. | :17:24. | |
here to give up their bratwurst, in favour of the British banger, but | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
when it comes to gardens, the only innovation you have given us is the | :17:27. | :17:34. | |
gnome. Thanks for that, Paco. Christine is back at the Chelsea | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
Flower Show with their winner of the One Show garden competition. | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
annual Chelsea Flower Show in London brings together the creme de la | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
creme of horticulture, with top designers and growers from all over | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
the world. I think this is the ideal place to meet our competition winner | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
to see the journey she must go on to create her garden at the RHS Hampton | :17:56. | :18:03. | |
Court Palace flower show. The key's design beat of nearly 300 entries in | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
our competition. Hers is a family garden, designed with imagination | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
high on the agenda. It is designed to make you feel like you have been | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
shrunk and are looking up from the first floor. I want the garden to be | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
achievable for anybody and for it to have a lively colour scheme and be | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
practical for a family. As she makes her way around a family show, she is | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
sketching some of the design features she might be able to draw | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
inspiration from, and other features which are not even in the show. Have | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
you lost the plot? What are you doing? This tree has an interesting | :18:39. | :18:47. | |
texture. The tree roots look old and mossy. The key's show garden will be | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
eight metres by eight metres, a lot smaller than some of those she has | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
seen today. I think we will have to rein Vicky in. Some of these gardens | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
have budgets that run into six figures. Hers is a lot smaller. I | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
have a few ideas that might suit her budget. I know this is not on your | :19:04. | :19:14. | |
list, but I want to introduce you to this. Isn't that beautiful? I love | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
the coral pink ones. It works so well as a sea of colour. This could | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
give the effect you want, and be really powerful and colourful. Look | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
at the oranges. They work really well up high. They can go on the | :19:30. | :19:37. | |
list. Especially keeping one. could be ideal for Vicky's garden. | :19:37. | :19:44. | |
They provide real height and drama. What about the tree fern? It would | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
give the feeling of thing an insect looking up. But it is not extra and | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
colour that Vicky once in her garden. She is also have to flavour, | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
as she believes it is important for children to understand where their | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
food comes from. These plants have all been grown by children. You | :20:02. | :20:11. | |
mentioned strawberries. Look at that. They are beautiful.We could | :20:11. | :20:18. | |
also incorporate the ferny foliage of carrots. What about this | :20:18. | :20:28. | |
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humdinger? This is a new chive. Chelsea has provided Vicky with lots | :20:31. | :20:38. | |
of new ideas, but will they meet the approval of design guru and frost? | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
He won the gold medal at this year's show and is Vicky's mentor. | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
What have you been up to? I hope you have not been leading her straight? | :20:48. | :20:55. | |
Would I? You would, because you are mad about plants. You two might have | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
blown the budget. It is not that bad. We have some solid ideas. | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
Christine said it would be a good idea to have some firms in the | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
garden. I am not keen on them, but we found a nice purple one. It would | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
be nice in the Borders. I am pleased with that. The backdrop needs to be | :21:18. | :21:28. | |
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simple. We will keep it simple in the foreground, with colour in the | :21:30. | :21:40. | |
centre. What have you learned about design today? Flowing, elegant.You | :21:40. | :21:50. | |
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are flirting! I think today has been brilliant. You have started to focus | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
on understanding how show gardens work. There is a sense of theatre. | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
They are capturing that moment. Thank you to Christine and Adam. We | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
look forward to seeing Vicky's final design in July. | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
Now, I don't know about Germans, but British fishermen are rightly proud | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
of the Pike, a powerful freshwater fish which Miranda has had a close | :22:17. | :22:24. | |
up view of. I do know of the dad's Army Pike. | :22:24. | :22:31. | |
In the heart of Leicestershire is a flooded quarry, the deep cold waters | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
of Stoney Cove hide one of Britain's's most fearsome | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
predators, the Pike. Primarily a predator of other fish, and very | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
capable of snatching ducklings and even water voles. To find out more, | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
I am meeting underwater cameramen been Berman, who has a passion for | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
Pike. How long have you been diving with Pike, and what is it about | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
their aggressive behaviour? Are they really that aggressive? I have been | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
diving with Pike for about 12 years and I have been filming them for | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
seven years. They are aggressive, territorial and cannibalistic. But | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
at this time of year, they are more sociable. Today, we are on a mission | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
to film these incredible fish and hopefully witness their courtship | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
display. The longer days of spring and a rising water temperature | :23:21. | :23:31. | |
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motivate the Pike to congregate here in the shallows. I am following you. | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
As, look at this. It is going to check us out. Absolutely beautiful, | :23:40. | :23:50. | |
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streamlined fish. Pikes have this unmistakable shape, these fierce | :23:52. | :23:59. | |
eyes, that mean looking jaw. One flick of that meaty, muscular tail, | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
and they have a lightning fast acceleration, all the things you | :24:02. | :24:12. | |
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need to be a top predator. There is a male. Anything over 12 lbs is a | :24:12. | :24:22. | |
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female. They can grow well over a metre long. Amazing.Here we go. | :24:26. | :24:35. | |
Some are courting. Two males and a female. The Finns are enticing the | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
female to shed her eggs. The female will try to pick the best mail to | :24:41. | :24:48. | |
carry on the generation. This could last for days. Seeing this small | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
courting group has been a treat, but that display is small fry compared | :24:51. | :25:01. | |
to what you can find. So I am off in search of bigger, better things. We | :25:01. | :25:08. | |
have two here in front of us. No, three. The males certainly look a | :25:08. | :25:18. | |
bit battered. I am going to sit really still. Just one cursory | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
glance, and they are off. What an amazing thing to see. Here she | :25:23. | :25:32. | |
comes, with her entourage. The males are nipping each other, just link | :25:32. | :25:42. | |
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for the best position. The female will lay thousands of eggs. They are | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
such big, scary fish, and yet their courtship is so beautifully gentle. | :25:50. | :25:59. | |
What a lovely film. Justin, you are a brave man. I am surrounded.This | :25:59. | :26:05. | |
is the new England football kit. Celebrating 150 years. Reminds me of | :26:05. | :26:13. | |
something. Is that 1966? I don't know if you have heard of 1966? | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
that the last time England did something? You went to a football | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
match? It was by Munich versus Hamburg, and it was 9-2 to Bayern | :26:23. | :26:33. | |
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Munich. It was an amazing game. It got rather predict Apple. Five | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
minutes later, there would be another goal. Justin, we have got | :26:42. | :26:51. | |
some fans here. Give us a cheer. it going to be 9-2 tomorrow? I hope | :26:51. | :27:01. | |
not. The last time, it was 5-2. are big Dortmund fan. You have flown | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
over with Stephan. And you flew over without a ticket to the match? | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
Exactly. Have you managed to get one? Now I have managed to get one. | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
This today I did not have one, but today I knew somebody who had a | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
ticket. What do you think of London? It is raining, but it is great. | :27:22. | :27:28. | |
very rarely rains(!). I anticipated a German final, so that was why I | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
booked the flight tickets before the semi-final. Good planning. Very | :27:34. | :27:40. | |
German. Do you feel a bit outnumbered, because there are quite | :27:40. | :27:47. | |
a few Bayern Munich fans here tonight? You are one of them. Tell | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
us how you will be watching the game tomorrow. We own a Bavarian | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
restaurant in Kingston, and we have invited all of the German community | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
to watch it on German TV. Do you think you will be celebrating? | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
will be celebrating anyway! It will be a good atmosphere. Have a great | :28:10. | :28:19. | |
time. I will have a bit of this.Who are you supporting? Bayern Munich | :28:19. | :28:26. | |
all the way. No President Obama would be complete without some | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
traditional music, as we bid you Auf Wiedersehen come accompanied by the | :28:30. | :28:36. | |
High Society group macro. Monday's show is on half an hour earlier at | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
6:30pm, when we will be joined by Nigel heathers and Suzi Perry. Thank | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
you to our guest tonight. You can see a preview of Paco's Edinburgh | :28:45. | :28:50. |