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On the Review Show tonight, we have Father Ted, Dickens for Christmas

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and a modern morality tale. A '50s classic, the Ladykillers, is

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reworked by 21st century comic masters. Would you like a tea, Mr

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Marcus? Oh, I do apologise. I should have known your face.

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Another reinvention of tradition in Dickens' Great Expectations for the

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BBC. He is to live as a young fellow of

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great expectations. Real people from the past at Scotland's

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National Portrait Gallery after a two-year revamp with 60% more space.

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Does a new picture of the nation emerge? And a documentary portrait

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of a forgotten woman in her 30s whose skeleton was found three

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years after her death in a London flat. What does that say about

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modern Britain? I often thought about what she was doing and

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probably most of the time I actually thought that, she was

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already dead. Plus, performing live in the studio,

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the Manic Street Preachers' front man, James Dean Bradfield. Joining

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me in the studio to mull and whine over the seasonal offerings are the

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Classic FM presenter Mark Forrest, the Economist's public policy

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editor Anne McElvoy, the writer AL Kennedy and comedian and political

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activist Mark Thomas. Don't forget to send us a torrent of Tweets.

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They keep us amused and horrified in the green room after the show.

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The transition from stage to screen is well established, but some

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recent productions have reversed the trend. Think about Dirty

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Dancing, Legally Blond or Ghost, for example. Now one of TV's top

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comedy writers has gone back to the 1950s to adapt one of British

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cinema's all-time greats for the stage. Written by William Rose and

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directed by Alexander Mackendrick, the Ladykillers is one of the best-

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loved British comedy films of all time. Alec Guiness, Cecil Parker

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and Peter Sellers form part of a motley crew of criminals who pose

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as classical musicians in order to rent a room from an apparently

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dotty landlady. I thought you and your guests might like a cup of tea.

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Oh, you shouldn't. Now a writer renowned for his eccentric

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characters, the creator of Father Ted and the The IT Crowd, Graham

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Lineham has written a new version of the black comedy. The film is

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very lean and very - it tells the story and it tells a very simple

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story very effectively, and it kind of gets out, but with the play,

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once I had lost all the location stuff, it left me with a lot more

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room to play around with these characters, because you'll notice

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in the film there's all of these great comic actors playing the

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roles of Harry and the Major and so on, but they don't actually get a

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Mrs Wilberforce? Yes. My name is Marcus. I believe you have rooms to

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rent. What? Who told you? Director Sean Foley's cast includes TV stars

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James Fleet and Ben Miller with Peter Capaldi as the brains behind

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this. There is such affection in the show. There is such a warm

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tribute to the original material. Oliver -- all of us come here with

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great respect and are trying to make a new, warm version of the

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same thing that people can embrace. It's a brave move to adapt a film

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often cited as one of our finest classics, so can Lynne Han's

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version equal the standards of the original film, or would it be

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better left undisturbed as a gem of the silver screen. You have been

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dishonest with me, professor. All of you have. You're not amateur

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musicians! Now, Mark, we know Graham Lineham clearly relishes

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eccentricity if we look at the work he's done with Father Ted and The

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IT Crowd, so in a way perhaps it's not surprising he was drawn to this.

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No, because the characters are so extreme, exciting and quirky and

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odd that, yes, this is really his natural palette, if you like.

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What's brilliant about it, I think - because the show is great. I

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think what's really interesting about it in terms of his writing

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and in terms of directing is they've stripped out the suspense

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element because we know what's going to happen, so they have

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stripped out the suspense. They have stripped out the idea of

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what's going to happen next, and it means the actors can just play, and

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they have created almost a farce this wonderful slapstick adaptation

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of the Ladykillers that exists in its own right. It's great. But then

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if you strip out the suspense, isn't there a risk there isn't the

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same kind of excitement about it? loved the original film. I don't

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know if I was excited by it. No, it's a beautiful character piece.

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You've got a fantastic cast. They're clearly working

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extraordinarily well together and having fun in a good and not self-

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indulgent way, and you've got this extraordinary staging. Michael

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Taylor's set is remarkable, and what's happening more and more -

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you have Scott Penrose, a magician, is bringing in magical effects, so

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the actors are doing things you would expect a magician to do. Pen

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and teller are working in the theatre. Now Andy Wyman has been

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working in the theatre. It's very generous. I love going to see

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something that's funny and you get the verbal humour, the slapstick

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humour, the remarkable staging. You just get extra and extra. The

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curtain call is immaculate. It's going to run. You're going to take

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your mother to see it, the kids to see it, people to see it on

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holidays. It's a lovely show. Capaldi in particular is having fun,

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isn't he? I think he's having fun in the role. When we saw him

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talking about playing the role, my skin was beginning to creep because

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he gets in you're blood. When he comes on, he has a leering presence.

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His body is so angular. His body is too big for him all the time, just

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as he thinks he's too big for his boots. "I am a very clever man," he

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says at one point as he gets stuck in the window with a cello case

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that fantastic comedy, but underneath it, there has to be a

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dark side to the Ladykillers. I wondered with the slapstick how

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they were going to do that moment when you believe he's prepared to

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have her killed. He does that perfectly. It is dark. They have

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stripped out a lot of the sinister elements. If you look at the

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original film, the lighting, the way they're in that room which is

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sinister and expressionist, you get that - Alec Guiness is brilliant

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because you really think he can do some damage. There is one scene

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where they're having the fight at the end in the film where he

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emerges out of the smoke from the trains holding this club, and it's

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just amazing. It really is quite an amazing moment. They have stripped

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that out. I think they have taken the suspense out. I think they have

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taken a lot of the menace out in a way, but that doesn't matter. In

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many ways it doesn't, because the actual direction - I think Sean

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Foley really deserves major league credit for this because he's got

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his fingerprints all over this production. I think it's absolutely

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brilliant. What they've done is just allowed them - Graham is right.

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What they've done is allowed them room to play. But the spiritual -

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or indeed the presence of Alec Guiness looms large, doesn't it,

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over any future production? Very much. His voice in the film -

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absolutely sensational. The look he went for - it was a hair-and-teeth

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part, extraordinary. Peter Capaldi does that. I was worried when he

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first came on he hadn't got far enough away from Peter Capaldi. He

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had hair and teeth and gone for the scarf and the long coat as well. I

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felt with Alec Guiness in the film, what you got was parts that grew

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and developed. And I felt with Peter Capaldi, even though I loved

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the show, I felt with Peter Capaldi he came on menacing, leering. For

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me he was like the hooded claw out of Wacky Racers. He was a cartoon

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from the beginning. The other four are cartoon characters. I felt they

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were more subtle. Their characters grew, whereas Peter Capaldi was one

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note all the way through. Alison? He'll come into it because he's

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really authority it ative with the audience. They're doing a lot of

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difficult business and physical stuff. I imagine that set is so

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raked, you could really easily snap an ankle if you're not careful, but

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when it settles, it will really... I loved all the slapstick and the

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stuff with the black board. It's puerile but sensational. I wondered

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if that distracted from what he was doing. The film in its time, which

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was seen as a social commentary, a state of the nation - they could

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have updated this. The original film - there is a wonderful shot at

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the beginning where Ms Wilberforce walks through the street, and

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there's picture of Churchill and a picture of a tramp next to him

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begging. That sets the tone of this is Britain after its finest hour,

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and here we are. We've come to this. They're too hung up on the film,

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which I watched in a haze on Boxing Day many years ago - I recognise

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it's very good. It wasn't in the forefront of my mind. I was one of

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those theatregoers if you like. The person who missed out on this - it

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really makes this social commentary very well is Mrs Wilberforce.

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Marcia Warren. Yes, controlling brilliantly the part of the old

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lady. She's still the centre of this play around which this all

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evolves. If you don't believe in her and the fact she's the little

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voice of morality at a time everyone is exhausted after the war.

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People are taking their chances. You have a society that is

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fragmenting after the war has held it together - you really have to

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believe in her. She did that downplayed in a way Peter Capaldi

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didn't. In fact it's extraordinary the way she does manage to be the

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focus of attention so much throughout the pay. I enjoyed it,

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like all of you I think. The Ladykillers is at the Gielgud

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Theatre until April. Far more serious and tragic events behind

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closed doors in a new documentary from filmmaker Carol Morley. The

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story began in January 2006, when decomposing human remains were

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found in a bedsit in north London. Officials from a housing

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association discovered the remains of 38-year-old Joyce Carol Vincent.

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Her skeleton was surrounded by Christmas presents. The television

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was still on three years since her her missing. Newspapers offered few

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details about the case, but the story caught the eye of documentary

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film-maker Carol Morley. I remember being on the tube, finding The Sun,

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looking through the Sun and finding this head line, "Woman is dead in

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plait for three years", and when I read that head line, it was so

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extreme, really, I suppose, and there was no photograph of Joyce,

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no personal information. She was so anonymous, and I think as soon as I

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saw the head line, I wanted to tell the story, and I wanted to make a

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film about it and find out about her. It's like she never really

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existed. She was just a figment of our imagination. It was a story. It

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was like someone we made up almost. Someone died that we all thought we

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cared about. If you read that in a book form, you would be thinking,

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this has got to be fiction, but this is real life. The debate about

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being living in dislocated societies, not having communities

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anymore has been banging on for ages. It's been a theory. This is

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the living reality about it. often thought about what she was

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doing and probably most of the time I actually thought that she was

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already dead. Carol Morley spent five years track down her friends

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and former colleagues and managed to piece together a time line of

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her life in London. She then uses this information to script

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reconstructions with the actress Zoe Ashton portraying Joyce. The

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circumstances of Joyce Carol Vincent's enigmatic life and tragic

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death shock because they're so rare, but does her story highlight wider

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issues in this story? Why did this happen? Perhaps we could ask

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ourselves why doesn't this happen more often? Especially in urban

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areas we can become anonymous. It's the joy of a city, but also the

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downfall of a city. Dreams of a Life attempts to piece together a

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story with many gaps. Does her death make the film more of a

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mystery or make the story Margerie, this is an intriguing

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story. She doesn't seem to be the kind of person you would expect to

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fall through the cracks. That was the starting point for me, surprise.

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When you read that story, you would possibly think it was somebody who

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hadn't had a great life and had fallen through the holes but it

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wasn't like that. She was a bit of a drifter but also rather

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unglamorous figure, on a fast set... -- a glamourous figure. Getting in

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with the PR crowd. That, I suppose, is what must have been the starting

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point, that we are supposed to be surprised. What worries me is that

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is -- it is extremely voyeuristic and in that way and pleasant. If it

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set out to do a service and tell a story, it is wide of the mark. It

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was journalistically not a good film. A big draw you win? Of the

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things we have watched, it was the most memorable, but because of the

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frustrations. Carol Morley spent five years tracking people down,

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but you don't see any of these people. They are a small handful of

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friends that near her early on. You don't meet the family. She must

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have spoken to the family. Her mother died when she was 11 but her

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father and three sisters were still alive when she died. No mention of

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them, other that they didn't want to talk. The Boyfriend, we hear

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from again and again. She had dozens a boy friends that we hear

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from double. The boy friends and the family of what shape to this

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woman -- and we hear from two. The presumably, they wouldn't want to

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appear in a film from -- like this? That is one of the failures. Why

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does a woman ended three years dead in his flat? Really urgent

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questions, and then it fails to answer any of them. You are right,

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journalistically, it fails. It doesn't trace the family or talk to

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them, or the immediate neighbours. It doesn't have any contact with

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the Lord Taylor -- the utilities or the authorities. You are left with

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gossip fulls -- from friends, former friends, and that is not

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good enough. Is it fair to call it gossip? At least two were very

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close, two were boy friends. don't think she is aiming for

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journalistic, it is the way she was with her previous film, she is

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interested in whether you can no people at all and she wants to

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present you with people as if you are meeting them in a bar, how well

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can you know strangers? I found it very moving when I watched it. I

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think it opens up a lot of issues philosophically. I did think it is

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tried to give you an essay or trying to investigate life in a

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journalistic way. But it sets out like that, that is how it said said,

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why did she fall through the gap? Why did this happen? -- that is how

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it said said. It asks the questions. It is not come into a conclusions

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are that respect, I didn't think it was telling me you are Red Four,

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society is at fault. It was making Meikleour, and all of her friends

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were, she was someone who made the choices -- it was making it clear.

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We haven't it splayed about the use of the actors. -- discussed about

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the use of the actors. Carol Morley is explaining what she thinks.

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does use drama and reconstruction as a way of telling this. They are

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just awful. I think so I Ashton does the best that she can. These

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shots that are felt for three times as long as they should be. What is

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happening is the film-maker is imposing a reality on this woman

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because she cannot fill in the gaps and then asking somebody to try and

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back to them out. The really crucial point here is that there is

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bad imputation. There is imputation about child abuse, people just say

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so extraordinary things that they eat grass bout of the air. -- grass

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bout of the air. Your projected on to higher, because she was

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mysterious and she is dead if -- you projected on to have.

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appreciate what you are saying that, but I found that moving, opening

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some present and realising there was a tie in one of those boxes.

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She was giving a present to a man in her life he didn't notice she

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was gone for three years. If you can't watch the end sequence

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without being moved, you have got a heart of Formica. In it is not

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saying it is a problem in society... It is blaming society and it has

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this big society message. Like the bloke said in your clip, it goes to

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show we should all be in a cabinet it. This is somebody who wants to...

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You are in Boulder Channel 4 website project related to the film.

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Do you think it says something wider about society? I saw some of

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the talking heads and I found it very interesting and right now, in

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a very material time, when people are working like hell or been

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unemployed like hell, that somebody... How long would it be

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until somebody noticed you were dead? Are you going to notice you

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would stop? Are you living in a way it is meaningful, are you telling

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people you love them? One of the things I thought about was that she

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wasn't somebody who was neglected per save. She had withdrawn. She

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had decided to hide. The projection she was able to give to all of her

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friends, she was terribly beautiful and every man wanted to go out with

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her, she was successful and had a job in the City but something had

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gone on in her past that was completely shaping the way she made

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relationships. Dreams Of A Life is in selected cinemas from next

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Friday. Now, what to Mary Queen of Scots,

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Dolly the sheep and Susan Boyle have in common? I will tell you

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before you tweet any suggestions? - -. They are three people on the

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walls of the oldest purpose-built gallery dedicated to the portrait,

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which has recently undergone a dramatic facelift.

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The Scottish National Portrait Gallery houses the second largest

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collection of portraits in the world. Four other 120 years, its

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imposing neo-Gothic structure has sat in Edinburgh's New Town without

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alteration. But over the past two years, a dramatic refit has

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transformed the gallery's space. have revolutionised what we have

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done inside. We have restored the building to its Victorian original,

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much more space, the light floods in, and the pictures look fantastic.

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In the past, in the room we are standing in now, we told the whole

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history of Scotland from the 16th century up to the 18th century. Far

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too much, far too complicated to get your head around. This has been

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spread out in 28 different galleries, which means we can do

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the opposite of dumbing down and look at subjects in greater detail

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that make it more appealing to the general public. What we have got

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our Portrait of the people who did amazing things. Each person on the

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walls has a fabulous story to tell. The aim of the redesigned space is

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to tell Scotland's story through 3 -- D batik displays that will

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change over time. -- thematic. They go for the restoration right up to

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the present day. This is a gallery about Scotland at the present as

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well as the past. It is what makes Scotland the country it is today

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and so as well as all the people you would expect like Mary, Queen

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of Scots or David Hume, we have also got Karen Gillan, a Susan

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Boyle, Kenny Dalglish. It is about Scotland today, informed by

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Scotland of the past. The gallery also houses a new room which was

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showcase some of the 38,000 photographs in the national

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collection. What photography does is democratised the gallery. Before

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we should, we did show photographs occasionally but it wasn't integral

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to the displays. Now, they are absolutely central and I think the

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whole product of what we are trying to present to the public is a very,

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very much richer blend than we were able to do before. So does this

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ambitious we decide on a grand old Scottish building did justice?

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I know this building well from where I live in Edinburgh and I did

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enjoy going there but it was always slightly gloomy. I know, you sort

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of get distracted by the cake, it was warm and welcoming. It is dark

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and then that it this -- that is light and welcoming. The first

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thing you do is Scots that have done well. Are you got a hot Scot?

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I have never been part in my life. -- are you not. It is not about we

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are the finest, if you happen to be from here, it is nice to see people

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who have done well, and if he was not, here we are, a small culture

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and we present ourselves. Mark, you knew the old one. I love what they

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have done there, they have transformed that Central Hall,

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which is incredible. I remember going there and thinking it was

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like Hogwarts, it was all done dusty, and they have opened up the

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space and made this incredible opening Hall, the central part of

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the building that just flourishes. The space is amazing that, they

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have given... What they have done is created a really amazing it

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gallery. So much thought has gone into it. It is not done strictly

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chronologically, but the rooms are thematic, so you have the Jacobite

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but not just the Jacobites, it is the Jacobite in exile. Actually,

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there is a bit of chronology. The way they took us around, anyway,

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and they started us off at 1,500 with their first Portrait, and then

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you saw Mary, Queen of Scots -- 1,500. The Jacobites, I walked in

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and I thought it is a bit hysterical and I never studied this

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but you can clearly see how important that gallery is. We were

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taken around by a photographer- curator, he was very keen to get us

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there and that is when the gallery came to life. A lot of these

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paintings, you will have seen that before, and when you get to the

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photographs, you are met with these extremely -- met with this extreme

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where everything has gone and you start this romantic journey through

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extraordinary Scottish landscapes which then taking into the urban

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centre of Edinburgh and Glasgow. You're right, the photographs are

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just stunning. That is where the gallery really kicks in. You get

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this amazing sense of Scottishness, of it really is an assured --

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National Gallery of Scotland and tells her history. It's a cultural

:25:39.:25:49.
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interpretation. That is really exciting. It is such a clear

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expression of Scottish nationhood, it is very interesting watching the

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effect that galleries and collections can have on countries

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that are trying to do something different. I have just seen a lot

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of emerging countries do that. In the context, it is fascinating. I

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was riveted by the very miserable picture of James the 6th, or James

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the first, whichever way you look at it Kebabou I thought that would

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be going on to campaign posters. -- and I thought. It cannot be called

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nationalistic, though. Not at all. They are under 10 she would get if

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you knew the history, like the romantic Camera exhibition --

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undertones. You get more and more people and you end with that

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beautiful, vibrant picture of a ball of the people being properly

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it. The Glasgow town hall Christmas party, which is just people having

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a wonderful time and being alive. But it is not nationalistic or

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stupid. There is a real sense of ownership, which was really

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interesting. While we were there, people came in and said, we are

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read this and were pointing at one of the films. -- we are in this.

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There is a real sense of ownership and it raises, actually, an

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interesting question. It is kind of like the artistic version of the

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West Lothian question. If the Scottish National Gallery has so

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much about Scottish national identity and the National Gallery

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in London is so much about being British, where is the English

:27:29.:27:34.

National Gallery? On that enormous note, we will leave this part of

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the discussion, because that could take a very long time to answer

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that question. Now, deny it as you might,

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Christmas will soon be upon us and it wouldn't be Christmas without

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the star studied television adaptation of a popular classic.

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This year's BBC One centrepiece is one of Charles Dickens'best-loved

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books, Great expectations. The novels of Charles Dickens are

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no strangers to the TV adaptation. Over the decades, many of his

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players -- most famous works have to be translated to the small

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screen and Great Expectations is a firm favourite. It first appeared

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on the BBC in 1959, at nearly every decade since, a new variation has

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been made. Where is your mother? Sarah Phelps, who cut her teeth of

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EastEnders, is the latest writer to tackle this classic tale of

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transformation. Oscar Kennedy plays the young the Pip, Ray Winston

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gives a bruising performance as Magwitch. And the X Files Gillian

:28:36.:28:46.
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Anderson offers a ghostly Miss You're Pip from the Forge. Yes,

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madam. I am not madam. I am not married. After years in his uncle's

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forge, pip is informed by Jagers, played by David Gibbs that he's to

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be transformed into a gentleman. The owner wants Mr Pirip to be

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removed from his present life and go to London where he is to be

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instructed in the ways and manners of society, where he is to live the

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life of a gentleman, where, in short, he is to live as a young

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fellow of great expectations. Mean and moody cinematography of

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the opening episode make much of the bleak setting. The production

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values are certainly high, and it has a starry cast, but do we really

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need yet another adaptation of this well-worn favourite? My food not

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good enough for you? It's Christmas. If you can't beat a boy at

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Christmas, when can you beat him? That's a fantastic line. We have

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seen a lot of the Great Expectationss over the years. Do we

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need another? Yes, please. I thoroughly enjoyed this. It was

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terrific. The last one I saw was that updated one - Alfonso Cuaron -

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that was '98. I hadn't seen one for awhile. Knowing this was going to

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have Gillian Anderson again, who was Lady Deadlock in that amazing

:30:20.:30:24.

Bleak House bleak - I put the DVD in. I was worried at first because

:30:24.:30:28.

the Bleak House was done in half- hour episodes, wasn't it, and it

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was very short, tight scenes. It was done like a serial. I thought

:30:31.:30:37.

this was the way forward... Going back to Dickens'... Yes, the way

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Dickens had done it. They have reverted to the conventional style.

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The scene everybody knows in the graveyard, young Pip is there. The

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gloom is there. The mist is there. It's washed out when it starts,

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then teeny bits of colour come in. You see a little bit of blood, a

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little bit of pie. The bleakness of the landscape and the way it was

:30:58.:31:01.

filmed - there is a brilliant opening where you get a shot across

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the river and the prison ships and suddenly Ray Winstone's head comes

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out of the water. It's a nod to apocalypse. There are some great,

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great moments in it. I think there are some really good actors, but Ms

:31:14.:31:22.

Haver sham is just not good. she's great. She had a bit of Kate

:31:22.:31:27.

Bush in Wuthering Heights. I love it because apart from anything else

:31:27.:31:30.

she's George V Bridge in a petticoat. She stands in front of a

:31:30.:31:36.

young boy and says, here's your future. It's shiny. Oh, I'm sorry.

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You're condemned to hell forever. Go and write - no, it's grand. It's

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her speciality now. I adored her. It was a great story of social

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mobility whether or not George Osborne took it away. She's awful

:31:50.:31:55.

in it. It's such a shame because it's motoring along so beautifully,

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and Pip that boy actor, your heart is going out to him. You just want

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to go in and rescue him from his surroundings. Then he comes in -

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it's like a Kate Bush B side then a goth in a basket look about the

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whole costume. They have gone too far and over-stylised her. That's

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not her fault but she has this vacant look on her face. The thing

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about her is, she's such a manipulative creation, you think,

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which dark depths of Dickens' mind did she come from? It's like having

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a 33 RPM record played all the time. She slows the whole thing all the

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time. What about the interpretation of Pip because he can be incredibly

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bland, the innocent - just a cipher. It's interesting because we have

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only seen the first episode - it was an hour long. AL Kennedy played

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the young Pip. I thought he was terrific, not only soaking up

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everything around him, but he had a personality as well, which often

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doesn't come out. We then saw old Pip. I thought it's boy George - he

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hasn't done a lot as of yet. Whether he turns out to be as good

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we'll have to see. When you look at the span of them over time, do you

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think this tells us something about our own age? Absolutely. When you

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look at the '60s and '70s when everything seemed to be evening out,

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you had the cozy Dickenses. Now we're going back there in so many

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ways. It's not an anachronistic bleakness, but particularly in the

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first episode you're looking at everything slightly from young

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Pip's viewpoint. Everything is huge and threatening. You have no

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expectations, genuinely savage. That's where a lot of children are

:33:51.:33:56.

living. The question you asked in the beginning, do we need another

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adaptation? No, we don't. This is good. It's fine, but it's a period

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drama served up every Christmas with some kind of regularity...

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can't we have one now? Dickens... It's a part of Christmas

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in the end... Which he'll not put - for heaven's sake - the

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anniversary... There is a coo curious thing about why we like

:34:18.:34:20.

Dickens - the English in particular like Dickens because he represents

:34:20.:34:24.

- the English people or the middle class English like the Conservative

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radical. That's why we like Stephen Fry and his lot. Ann? I don't agree

:34:32.:34:37.

with that at all. If you look at what they're doing here, they're

:34:37.:34:41.

taking this idea of social mobility, we're all banging on about in one

:34:41.:34:46.

way or another and touched on a bit tonight and focusing on that they

:34:46.:34:50.

have been raised up and the difference of being raised up and

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cast down into poverty, and it's so brilliantly laid out, it's faithful

:34:55.:34:59.

to the story. I think in a very subtle way it's referring to

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concerns we have in society today, but it's not done with a

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sledgehammer. That's the clever thing about it. Sarah Fox has done

:35:07.:35:12.

a clever thing in leaning on things. She's upped the stakes in a really

:35:12.:35:17.

nice way. You can see whether you think it's about the big society.

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Great Expectations is on BBC One over three nights from December 27.

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Monday night saw the presentation of the Turner Prize, and for the

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third year in a row, the winner emerged from here in Glasgow. We

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asked art critic Moira Geoffrey what it is about the place that's

:35:34.:35:38.

led to such artistic prominence. someone who lives in Glasgow and

:35:38.:35:44.

writes about art for a living, I asked why the city produces so many

:35:44.:35:49.

Turner Prize winners. The winner for the 2011 Turner Prize, Martin

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Boyce. With Martin Boyce's win this week, the last three successive

:35:52.:35:56.

winners have been brought up or educated in the city. The questions

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on Monday night at the ceremony in Gateshead tended to run to, is

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there something in the water? I am not sure about that but there might

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be something in this institution - Charles Dicken's Glasgow School of

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Art where many of Turner Prize's successes have trained. The

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building itself may be a radical masterpiece that's inspired many

:36:18.:36:22.

Glasgow artists. It's not so much the bricks and mortar that matter

:36:22.:36:28.

as the people inside - the teachers and peers in the city who Martin

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Boyce mentioned in his acceptance speech. It's worth remembering the

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artists who reach the Turner Prize now are usually in their 40s.

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They're the product of an affordable higher education that

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might be denied to future generations of artists. On the

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other hand, it might be something about this building here. This is

:36:48.:36:51.

the Modern Institute, the commercial institute that

:36:51.:37:01.
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represents both boys and the winner in 2009.

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The current Glasgow art scene is diverse and can't be reduced to a

:37:07.:37:10.

single building, movement or style - as well as international prize

:37:10.:37:15.

winners, there are dozens of lesser-known artists dedicated to

:37:15.:37:23.

their practising. It's at this bridge over the River Clyde that

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Susan Phillips cited her prize- winning Lowlands Valley in 2010.

:37:29.:37:37.

Her rendition of a melancholy seaman's ballad marks her Glasgow

:37:37.:37:40.

roots. One of the great things about this city is the river that

:37:40.:37:47.

runs through it. This is a Victorian mercantile city whose

:37:47.:37:50.

products have flowed ever outwards. There is maybe something in that

:37:50.:37:54.

water after all. I can tell you the water didn't look calm like that

:37:54.:37:58.

last night with all the winds. Thanks to my guests tonight, Mark,

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Alison and the other Mark. Next week, it's the final Review Show of

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the year, and Kirsty is going to be joined around the Christmas tree by

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Natalie Hanes, Susan Hitch and Paul morally to look back at the year's

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highlights. The Divine Heady will be live, and

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