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Monday. Have a good weekend. A journey through five centuries in | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
Cloud Atlas, David Mitchell's epic story turns into cinema. Why do we | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
keep making the same mistakes over and over. Robert Lepage's new work | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
sends a troop of actors up and under, forward and back, round and | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
round. The life of Britten turned around again, this time with the | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
manner of his death turned again. The The Sound and the Fury: A | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
Century of Music brings music into the 20th sent treatment | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
rulebook was torn up, let's make a noise nobody like. In the | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
bicentinary celebrations who gets the panel's vote, Wagner or Verdi. | :00:56. | :01:03. | |
Tonight I'm joined by the classical music critic of the Observer, Fiona | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
Maddocks, Toby Spence and Mark Ravenhill. You can join in the | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
conversation on Twitter. Cloud Atlas was David Mitchell's booker | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
shortlisted epic that tells six stories, from a remote 19th century | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
South Pacific island to a post apocalyptic future. Not an easy | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
sell to Warner Brothers, but three directors imagined the narrative as | :01:28. | :01:38. | |
one continuous thread. The film's six stories span different genres | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
and periods. Unlike the book where each story is begun and resolved | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
separately, the film weaves all the Strands together. Frequently | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
jumping back and forth between narratives as key documents are | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
passed from one story to inspire and pave the way for the next. | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
What are you reading? Old letters. Why do you keep reading them? | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
don't know, trying to understand why we keep making the same | :02:03. | :02:11. | |
mistakes. Tom Hanks and Halle Berry are part of a stellar international | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
cast. All of whom take on different roles across the six stories, a | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
device designed to show how the same souls are reincarnated into | :02:21. | :02:29. | |
different lives. Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others. | :02:29. | :02:39. | |
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Past, and present. By each crime and every kindness, we birth our | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
future. The film's critical reception has so far been decidedly | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
mixed. It got no Oscar nomination, but topped the box-office chart in | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
Russia and China, after a parallel release with Skyfall. But how is it | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
going to play in the author's home country. | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
Even just seeing that again you realise how much is measured into | :03:08. | :03:15. | |
this film. -- meshed noo intoed film. You can say at least the | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
Wachowski did the Matrix, so that helped. I watched this film again | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
this morning, I had a hoot. It is so silly n a really joyful way. To | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
see that cast keep on popping up with prosthetics and wigs and | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
putting on all these voices and jumping between the different | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
worlds. I thought it was a great, fantastic romp. | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
Did it make any sense, Fiona? don't think sense comes into it. No, | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
it was mad, it had all the stories, six stories that chopped up in | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
every which way, like a Kaleidoscope. There were moments | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
when you wanted to tear your hair off because it was too much, but it | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
was also very funny at times. whole idea, as you run through six | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
genres making this, every single story has a completely different | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
look and feel? It is a beautifully textured film. All of these six | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
streams of narrative that run through it are all given or | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
presented in a way that matches the genre of the country it comes from. | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
I felt that it was like a patchwork quilt. Did you find you had an | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
emotional engagment with each story or not? Only a few of them. The | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
ones that I engaged with were the English stories, really, the Jim | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
Broadbent ones. They felt very foreign. They were meant to, I | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
think. I worried was I just rooting for the home team. I think because | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
you have to play these different characters, it is actually very | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
theatrical. You have to find a theatrical way of playing it. I | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
think Jim Broadbent and others had theatre experience, they were able | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
to put on the wigs and things and find the emotional line. I thought | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
more film-based actors like Tom Hanks and Halle Berry, struggled, | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
they looked uneasy. You were conscious of the amount of make up? | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
Hugh Grant especially. He was unrecoginsable. I was absorbed, we | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
will show another clip in a moment, working out who was who in their | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
different guises. Let's have a look at the characters in action against | :05:23. | :05:33. | |
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Tom Tykwer composed the music for Cloud Atlas Sextet. What did you | :06:10. | :06:17. | |
make of it? The music worked for me. Did you see the film Perfume Skup | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
where the music ran the whole way through, it was there as the sense | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
of smell, the colour of the smell, he got the Berlin Philharmonic to | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
play the score for that film. I think the music was as important in | :06:28. | :06:36. | |
this film as well. It was restrained unlike one of those | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
blockbusters, it didn't tell you how to think and feel t hung back | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
nicely. The real coherence of the film was the music. Because just as | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
you were thinking visually that you had gone to our 14th film of the | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
day, and you were about to be completely confused, the music | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
actually held it from scene-to- scene, because the music remained a | :06:54. | :07:01. | |
constant. That whole story of Robert Frobisher? That is that | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
beautiful moment in for once, where the music to transcend all music is, | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
in fact, very beautiful music. still couldn't, I had a great time, | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
I still couldn't really work it out. The film seemed to want to be | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
telling me something, I really couldn't figure out quite what that | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
was. Something to do with the interconnectedness of all things. | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
Then it seemed to say sometimes we are interconnected because of love, | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
and sometimes it seemed to say because of the choice we make. It | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
seemed to have about 15 different thesis about the interconnectedness | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
of it. Then, of course, there was particularly the Korean, the post- | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
apocalyptic, you had this amazing Chinese star in it called Martin | :07:41. | :07:51. | |
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Bayfiled, perhaps that why it has Duna bay, she was supposed to be | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
the autonomon, but she was great? Her performance was so wonderful. | :07:59. | :08:05. | |
Even though the film slows down at the end. She starts as an android | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
figure, and these enormous eyes fill up with tears, and you feel | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
amazing about someone you had no sense of until that moment. Who is | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
the film aimed at? In some ways it is a teenage film, in some ways it | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
has a lot in common with the graphic novel. Some of the | :08:22. | :08:28. | |
storylines are adult about ageing. I enjoyed the old aged caper movie | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
that Broadbent broad found himself in. It is not a film for the Scots. | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
How did you feel about that representation, I thought not | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
minutes Mary pop pin's cock niece had a people been so caricatured in | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
a film. Yes. Who do you think it is for. Is it an action movie, a bit | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
of this and that. That is where it is so different from the novel in | :08:52. | :09:01. | |
way. The idea of humanity and links between the past, present and | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
future? The thing with the Wachowskis, their films feel like | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
an indulgence for themselves, they make those films for themselves and | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
not to appeal to anything other than aesthetic. They trust that. | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
is not high-brow or low-brow it is no-brow, whatever that means F you | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
want philosophy, it is the wrong film, if you want enjoyment, it is | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
great money. You want enjoyment and have two-and-a-half hours to spare, | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
Cloud Atlas opens next Friday. Expectations are always high when | :09:33. | :09:40. | |
Robert Lepage mounts a new work, Playing Cards 1: Spades is one of | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
four productions around a deck of cards. Central to the idea is the | :09:45. | :09:54. | |
idea of a spherical rather than square performance. A 360 degree | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
performance. French Canadian Robert Lepage has gained the reputation as | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
one of theatre's bolder innovators, he has created opera, drama, circus, | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
and film. Now he's giving audiences at the round house in London, a 360 | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
degree experience -- The Roundhouse in London, a 306 degree experience. | :10:18. | :10:27. | |
It is set in 2003, as America invades Iraq. | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
A disparate group of soldiers, gambling addicts, show girls and | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
hotel workers have gathered in the gambling Mecca. Their stories, | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
performed in a variety of languages explores everything from sex and | :10:40. | :10:50. | |
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As ever, with a Robert Lepage show, Spades fuses visually spectacular | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
stages, with thought-provoking themes. But in trying to tackle the | :11:11. | :11:20. | |
war on terror, has Lepage played an ace? | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
I couldn't work out whether Robert Lepage was more interested in the | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
story that the troop indeed workshoped and put together, or the | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
staging? Yeah, he's so keyed into the technical aspect of what he | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
does. You have worked with him a lot? I have worked with him three | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
times. It is funny watching him direct in the studio. He's not very | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
engaged with the text, or prescriptive with how to present it. | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
But when it comes to, the technical rehearsals on the stage. He's so | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
engaged, moving things around, bringing things in at very precise | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
speeds. I saw that in this show. Did you find that was taking your | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
attention too much? No, not at all. I was looking for it, I'm | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
fascinated by his precision. Like Cloud Atlas, he has all these | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
stories and people colliding, it is the same length of time, but it is | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
on stage as opposed to a vast movie set. Did you like the way that he | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
used Las Vegas as, that have the anchor for everything going on? | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
don't think I particularly liked or disliked it. I think the strange | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
thing about the whole experience was that I found it engaging, I | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
found it absorbing while I was sitting there, but talk about | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
deserts and oasis, for me it was a mirage. The further I have got from | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
it a week on, I can't remember what I was engaged with. He does like to | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
tick off the themes, so if somebody says earlier on I'm in palliative | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
care, someone else says string theory, we find out there is a | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
simulation for the Iraq War happening just outside Las Vegas. | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
He's a manage buy pie, but -- magpie, but you want him to dig | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
deeper. It was good given we were in Vegas and it was good on the | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
slow ache of addiction. The sense of being addicted to gambling that | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
earned its place. It was good on immigration and the Latino workers. | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
There again with the beating heart I thought were the back workers. | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
The reason I said about Las Vegas, it is the one place where nobody | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
comes from. Everybody comes into Las Vegas, which is of itself a | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
weird world. I wondered if he started with the idea of the town | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
in the desert where the elite forces actually trained. That was | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
actually quite a good idea for a play in itself. That is great image, | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
we sort of follow this young soldier through to a sticky end. | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
There is great leaps in his journey that aren't quite explored. He has | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
to make many explicit and on the nose statements about the Iraq War, | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
that don't feel earned, there is a much more gradual exploration of | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
things like addiction. We got a hint at the beginning of what was | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
in the centre of the story, without it being spelt out. It was done in | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
mime. There was a wonderful set piece for the gambling, which was | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
almost mesmeric, when all the different four sides, each with a | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
gambling table came up. It was choreographed like a dance. It was | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
equisite, and the centre piece of the whole evening for me. Along | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
with the watering hole scene, we saw that clip there of them coming | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
to the pool. A lot of the characters come to the pool like a | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
watering hole in Africa, that is different animal, and then leave it | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
and more come. You can't help being swept along by the technical skill | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
of T I assumed there was a false floor, all the cast, there was six | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
playing multiple character, were in this thing three metres tall, there | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
was a series of tunnels underneath. On a technical level, the magic box | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
rolls along fantastic. It was like you were having this swan on the | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
water and paddling furiously underneath. I want to see the | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
paddling, it was almost like a mirror image, and as part of the | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
audience you would have liked half of you sitting. I would have paid | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
to come back and watch the other side of it. It was a mixed trick, | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
the staging and technical side of it was as much as the performance | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
you were saying. You could enjoy it while you were there. Some bits | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
were so clunky and the characters so unlovable. It was hard to know | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
what you were responding to. There was one so laughable, the bit about | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
the woman with the early menopause, you would have thought she had | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
every terminal illness in the book. It is a wonder there are women her | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
age walking around in the street. It was very heavy-handed. He's not | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
very good at digging deep, either on a theme or character. I think it | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
is part of the appeal, in a way, to his international audiences, is | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
there are these very accessible spectacles. They are only one step | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
of sophistication away from that themselves. You were talking about | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
themes, this is to be an Eight Great Technologies-to-ten year | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
project using the deck of cards. Hearts are to be superstition and | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
magic, diamonds, business, trade and jewellery, clubs, working-class | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
uprisings. All to be in the 360 degree. That is bettering a feat | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
technically than this is going to be, he's going to have to hold | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
pretty big stories together. don't think I will be rushing back | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
to them. This was so much faster moving than the operas that one has | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
seen him do. And I think that's why I was happy with it. I didn't mind | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
the two-and-a-half hour length that a lot of people seemed to find very | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
difficult. Would you be back for the other three suits? I think I | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
would, I'm interested enough to see, but speculatively. I'm not drawn | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
back there. I don't feel like I have to go. Would you go back? | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
would go every time to enjoy the box of tricks. I'm unsatisfied, but | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
I guess after the other three I would be dig a bit deeper. Give | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
half the number of stories. Playing Cards 1: Spades runs at the | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
Roundhouse in London until March 2nd. This year is the centinary of | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
the birth of Benjamin Britten, it is being marked with performances | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
an the world and a new biography by Paul Kildea. Recent discussion | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
about the composer has tended to concentrate on his sexuality, and | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
Kildea seeks to score with the instantly disputed assertion that | :17:21. | :17:27. | |
syphilis played part in Brynhildr's death. More interesting is the awe | :17:27. | :17:37. | |
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-- Britain as death. Brittan was born in 1913 by the sea. | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
The son of a dentist and amateur musician. He began writing music as | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
a child. And went on to become one of the greatest British composers | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
of the 20th century. The Suffolk coast would play a significant part | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
in his life and music. The sea and the environment pervading his | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
compositions. I was always felt I wanted to live by the sea. I have | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
tried living away from the sea, something has gone slightly wrong, | :18:04. | :18:12. | |
I always felt. Much has been written about Britten | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
in the past, but a new autobiography by Paul Kildea seeks | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
to set him out in his original context. The songs that he wrote | :18:21. | :18:28. | |
and his operas, the or kestral song cycles, displayed his real disquiet | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
with human behaviour and themes of violence and betrayal, which he saw | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
as peculiarly, not necessarily correctly, a 20th century | :18:37. | :18:47. | |
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phenomenon. The book has initiated a flurry of debate about Britten's | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
death, Kildea saying it was due to a sexually transmitted disease, a | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
claim strongly refuted by Britten's own doctors. But this revelation is | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
part of a larger excavation of Britain's sexuality, and its effect | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
on his -- Britten's sexuality and its effect on his music. He felt | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
uncomfortable being a gay man in a straight society. He felt very | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
uncomfortable being a conscientious objector in a country at war. When | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
he found himself more drawn to a Suffolk country lifestyle than | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
anything London could offer. By that stage the behaviour was set | :19:23. | :19:33. | |
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and remained with him for life. Britten is the third-most performed | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
opera composer of the 20th century. With the Turn of the Screw, and | :19:46. | :19:56. | |
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others still much add tired mired. -- admired. | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
Should Britain or any composer be assessed in terms of their personal | :20:01. | :20:08. | |
life. Could this year-long glut of Britten leave us with indigestion. | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
It has been such a contrast, this book is incredibly scholarly, I | :20:14. | :20:21. | |
think ref latery just about Britten, then it -- revelations about just | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
Britten, and then it is like the tab Building Society revelations | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
and it is case of who cares -- tabloid revelations, and it is case | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
of who cares? There is a lot of people asking this question maybe a | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
decade ago, is it possible Britten had syphilis, adding on but who | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
cares. It is enough that he died, frankly, and left a huge amount of | :20:42. | :20:50. | |
work. The book is very solid, it is a synoptic view of the letters, the | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
diaries, the many publications that exist on Britten. It has everything | :20:54. | :21:00. | |
you need, and it has five pages, I actually counted them, of which | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
only half the pages are on the subject of syphilis. This is the | :21:04. | :21:14. | |
only thing everybody is talking about. What did you find the most | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
revalatory about Britten? It wasn't that, it was familiar to me but | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
well ordered, which I found useful. I found Paul Kildea's exploration | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
of the relationship between Britten and peers interesting, it was | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
something I hadn't particularly thought about, how that divided | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
into Britten being in Suffolk, writing, not wanting the flesh pots | :21:38. | :21:45. | |
of London, which apparent low Piers slightly tended toward. He was more | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
of a sypher in this. What is incredible is how little time they | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
spent together. He was touring so much, the number of nights they | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
spent together was pretty limited. That is a central problem for this | :21:59. | :22:09. | |
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book for the biographer. There is another one that is very detailed | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
and that covered all the ground. This is a well-written book, it is | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
slightly more conversational than the Carpenter. That is very | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
readable but this moves along easily and pans out to the social | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
situation, and manages to be personal, without doing the | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
annoying thing of "that morning he must have felt", the guessing thing | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
that biographers do. We haven't discovered anything so big since | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
Carpenter to justify a new biography. The publisher and that | :22:45. | :22:52. | |
have had to focus on the syphilis issue to give it a novelty value. I | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
like the way the author can say such and such is a terrific piece. | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
I like his voice and he's a great writer. It is like Robert Hughes, | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
that very high-handed evaluation of a worker of art. It is certainly a | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
very confident work. It is a gritty read, I find. There is a whole | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
central section, which I found the most fascinating n a way it says | :23:16. | :23:25. | |
:23:26. | :23:26. | ||
little, it is really about the whole passism, it is the whole con | :23:26. | :23:35. | |
shenous object -- conscientious objecter subject. I think he was | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
niave and thought it was enough to be a composer but I don't want to | :23:39. | :23:45. | |
go to war. But to accept a commission from jap nan in 1940? | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
doesn't come -- Japan in 1940? Doesn't come out well in that | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
respect. He himself said he was a child in an adult's body. His | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
ability to think things through. Whether that was an excuse Oregan | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
winly who he was. This does, it is not as developed as the political | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
philosophy, that comes out more in this book than the other one. He | :24:06. | :24:15. | |
did have this very imlimited, but very -- very limited but passionate | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
belief in passiveism, that it was an essential part of human life, | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
even when it was unIsrael isic. goes to Belsen in the months after | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
the war, he plays for the survivors at Belsen, meanwhile there is | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
bodies there, there is dreadful disease, soldiers all about. And it | :24:33. | :24:43. | |
:24:43. | :24:45. | ||
comes back that maybe he absorbed the war. Kildea was saying it seems | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
like Britain was saying that's what happens when you get war? I think | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
it is what you say and do. He was unable to speak about that Belsen | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
experience until late in his life, and only it a few close friend. He | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
was the sort of person who couldn't speak about stuff but put it into | :25:01. | :25:07. | |
the work. I think the work that's there is a lot of it is "post- | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
Belsen" music. What do you think about that music? There is a | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
definite change, the Holy Sonnets, there is a new gravitas, and | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
poignancy, and a new seings relation to the depth of the texts | :25:23. | :25:31. | |
he was choosing -- a new relation sensation of the depth of the texts | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
he was choosing. What do you like? It was the poetry and the way it | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
feeds into his music and inform as great depth of music. Maybe on the | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
surface he seemed withdrawn from world affairs, and that the world | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
affairs don't really touch his music. Actually, I think, the | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
author of this book is very, very good at putting Britten into the | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
context of the world. Up like any other book. Which is what he set | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
out to do. To look at the 20th century? That is what I find quite | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
awkward. He's writing it quite a lot as an outsider. Decribing an | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
era that a lot of people still remember. He's Australian, and you | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
get slightly uncomfortable senses of him constructing what it must | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
have been like. For you, Britten what does he represent for you? | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
Britten? Yes. I have lived with him all my life, in a sense, I wouldn't | :26:27. | :26:34. | |
be doing what I do if it weren't for Britten, in fact. In what way? | :26:34. | :26:41. | |
I heard Serenade for Ten Horn and Strings, which Toby sings often | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
enough, when I was very young. I liked the relationship between the | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
music and the poetry and the wildness of it. I wrote something | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
about it t and here I am now. That is a short version. It doesn't mean | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
I'm a worshipper. I have areas I really don't get on with, and I | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
have areas that I think are absolutely marvellous, particularly | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
the chamber music. I came to it a lot later in life, to me that is a | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
profoundly queer artist. Pre-gay, definitely. I think the tension | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
between, some people say the music is a little bit polished and | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
perfect and organised. But I think that's to ignore the tension | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
between the real darkness and corruption of innocence, supression | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
of sexuality that is always underlying that slightly perfect | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
music in places. And his rage. is a queer sensibility. If Benjamin | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
Britten invented modern British music, he was riding on a wave | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
generated by European and American proposers, The Sound and the Fury: | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
A Century of Music began this week on BBC Four. Based on the book The | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
Rest is Noise, by Alex Ross, it charts the rise of modernism and | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
the way the 20th century changed the sound of music. What drove | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
composers to tear up the classical rulebook and embrace the avant- | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
garde. Modernism ruled over the first half of the 20th century, and | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
didn't stop at painting or literature. Composers of the period | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
were inspired by the ideology. was like music was in black and | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
white, music like culture and civilisation in the west cannot | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
stand still. The music was torn up, let's make a noise that nobody | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
likes. If if the awence applaud your work, you had failed as a | :28:31. | :28:41. | |
composer. The series takes as its starting point, Richard straws's | :28:41. | :28:49. | |
brave opera Salome. It is the start of a music revolution. Debussi it | :28:49. | :28:56. | |
the start of modern music S he's very ambitious, he said I must | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
invent music worthy of the motorcar and planes and the Eiffel Tower. | :29:01. | :29:07. | |
George Benjamin is one of many contemporary composers, including | :29:07. | :29:15. | |
Philip Glass and John Adams. The Wrecking Ball, the subtitle of | :29:15. | :29:22. | |
the first episode was shone shone. After his string -- Schoenberg. | :29:22. | :29:29. | |
After his performance in 1908, one critic shouted "stop it, enough". | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
have never found a way into loving it. I find it centrally very | :29:34. | :29:42. | |
punishing to my ear. But account narrative format of the series | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
shatter the mystique that surrounds 20th century music and the avant- | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
garde. Toby, is this the way to put modern | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
music in front of everybody, to a television audience? It is | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
certainly a way. It worked for me. The footage, the archive material | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
is just great. And the people that they have gone to, to interview, to | :30:07. | :30:14. | |
bring the music to life, it is just an A-list cast. It is fantastic. | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
loved hearing John Adams saying this did not work for me, it was | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
unemotional, you think of John Adams as being this supreme mix of | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
the modern and tonal as well? love the irreverence and the | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
honesty that comes out of people. What due make of it? I wish it had | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
been 12 programme, there was so many contributers that only managed | :30:37. | :30:44. | |
12 seconds and what a cast list, the archive material is excellent. | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
The narration simplified a very complicated history of music in the | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
20th century. Alex Ross was very much a central part of this as well. | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
There is quite a lot of Alex Ross in it? He's one of the experts, as | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
it were. I felt there was so many, how marvellous to have Schoenberg's | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
daughter sitting there and saying the problem with music is people | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
always want it to be old, they don't like the new in music, | :31:13. | :31:19. | |
against all other art forms people hate the new, or are resistant to | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
it. Did it do it for you? somebody gave me Alex Ross's book | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
as a birthday present I thought it was fantastic. I thought it was a | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
real bastardisation of the book. don't think it was the book. It | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
didn't seem like that at all. book can take anybody who is keen | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
reader through the 20th century and excite us about the music. This | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
didn't know where to start. First of all it told us Salome started | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
everything, and then it flicked back and it is then no, we have it | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
wrong, Schoenberg. Where are we starting, you are telling us there | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
is a massive rupture and everything changes and three different places | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
dotted about. Where it was best was at the micro. One phrase of | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
Schoenberg, a word setting, and the use of dissonance, and focusing | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
closely on things like that. I thought the more it tried to be big, | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
the more it was embarrassing. There was one moment we were told, the | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
20th century was so momentous, we had some communist, we had lit | :32:18. | :32:26. | |
letter hall lueting and -- saluting and the atom bomb. It had a central | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
problem that said everything changed one day, that is clearly | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
nonsense. It is like buses, you wait for one and two come along. | :32:33. | :32:41. | |
This is on BBC Four, on BBC Two on Saturday night is Howard Goodall's? | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
That is the one to watch. No. like The Good Father good because | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
it is authored, it is honest. It doesn't say it is "it" story, he | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
says it is "my" story, he starts and you it is like the embarrassing | :32:56. | :33:03. | |
teacher saying music is fun. And then with great intelligence and | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
parallels he takes us through the history of music. The story of | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
music, successive waves of discoveries, breakthroughs and | :33:12. | :33:19. | |
invention is an on going process. The next great leap forward may | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
take place in a back street in Beijing or in a pub in South | :33:23. | :33:33. | |
:33:33. | :33:34. | ||
Shields. # Can't read my | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
# no he can't read my # Poker face | :33:39. | :33:47. | |
Why have you got a problem with that? I just don't like the | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
impolicity of it. It just feels wrong to me. I think that what -- | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
simplicity of it, it just feels wrong to me. It is trying to boil | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
it down to component parts, and what he misses is the mystery, the | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
composures like Bach, Mozart and Britten, they wrote bad pieces and | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
didn't know why. How Goodall is saying this is the mechanics of | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
music, it is too simple. I don't think that is what he's doing at | :34:15. | :34:22. | |
all. For one thing, he's such a versatile musician that he can show | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
you really difficult concepts that I think aren't easy to talk about | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
on television, but things like the circle of fifths, which is really | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
hard Baroque music, while we recognise what is going on. He can | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
sit there and demonstrate, and also, really, if there is somebody on the | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
television playing something in four different keys, I'm | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
entertained. He has more time and more episodes. He is showing the | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
keyboards and explaining how things work in a musical way. He's able to | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
present a bit of history. He just engaging me as a person. I couldn't | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
quite, although the book is so clearly written by Alex Ross, I | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
couldn't work out who this TV series was authored by. There was | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
the interviews and that. I just felt a bit floaty as though I | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
didn't know who was telling me the story. You preferred Howard Goodall | :35:13. | :35:23. | |
:35:23. | :35:24. | ||
taking you through it. No. He gets it. No. He does get it from me. | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
second episode of The Sound and the Fury: A Century of Music is on BBC | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
Four on Tuesday. The next installment of Howard Goodall's | :35:30. | :35:38. | |
Story of Music is on BBC Two tomorrow night. Britten is not the | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
only composer being celebrated, it is the bicentinary of Richard | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
Wagner and Giuseppe Verdi in the opera world. Despite being born | :35:48. | :35:55. | |
just a few months apart in 1813, Wagner and Verdi found themselves | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
polar opposites on their outlook of art and life, and left us two very | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
different catalogues of work. Verdi's been seen as an operatic | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
therapist, who wanted to provide comfort for the human spirit. A | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
tolerant man, he had a grudging admiration for his German | :36:14. | :36:24. | |
contemporary. Wagner, on the other hand, did not grant the Italian the | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
same level of respect. He presented his Titanic works to the world, | :36:29. | :36:35. | |
with a messianic zeal, and believed his music might even drive men mad. | :36:35. | :36:45. | |
:36:45. | :36:52. | ||
But Wagner could do sublime love And Verdi, in turn, didn't shy away | :36:52. | :37:01. | |
from marshall bomb bast. Both men had an undeniably huge | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
impact on the history of music. Does either of them deserve the | :37:04. | :37:12. | |
title of the Greatest Opera Composer of All Time. | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
So, Fiona, maybe it is impossible for me to ask you this,ly ask any | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
way. If you had to plump -- I will ask it any way, if you had to plump, | :37:22. | :37:29. | |
Verdi or Wagner? Wagner, because he's a monster who wants to do | :37:30. | :37:36. | |
something big and a makes you struggle. Is it because it has an | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
emotional punch? Yes, but you don't get it immediately Verdi is a | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
genius, without question. We know the tunes? It appeals to you. | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
have to have a lot of hours for Wagner? I don't have a lot of hours, | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
but I have sat in a lot of Opera Houses and listened to a lot of | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
Wagner. I never want to be anywhere else, at the end of a Ring Cycle | :37:57. | :38:07. | |
:38:07. | :38:07. | ||
I'm ready to start again. Mad, I know. Wagner or Verdi I'm waiting | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
for the Wagner conversion moment, I have worked on a couple of Verdi | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
operas, at first you hear the ice- cream advert, the more you dig into | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
it, the more I realised the depth of psychology and emotion and | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
complexity about this stuff. I think he's the greatest musical | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
dramatist, he's up there with Shakespeare as a creator of theatre, | :38:29. | :38:38. | |
so I find Wagner still boring. this is a difficult one for you? | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
Not so difficult. Luckily we don't really have to make the choice. We | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
do have both. So they are both magnificent, I'm so glad we have | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
both. Your favourite roles within them? I can't do Verdi and I can do | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
Wagner. It would have to be Wagner for me. Why would you feel you | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
couldn't do Verdi? Because I sound like a tourist when I'm singing in | :39:00. | :39:06. | |
Italian, I sound like "can I have a pizza please". Verdi would find | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
that OK, he was hum moreous? Other people don't -- Humourous? Other | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
people don't, it is not authentic. If I was to ask who is your | :39:16. | :39:24. | |
favourite, who would you choose in the world? I would choose | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
Montiverdi, or Albanberg, they wrote fewer operas than Wagner and | :39:30. | :39:40. | |
:39:40. | :39:43. | ||
Verdi, but they are the ones. Chiekofs ski. I would I -- | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
ycovski. Wagner. That is to my chests, Fiona Maddocks, Gianluca | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
Grava and Toby Spence, more details about tonight's items are on the | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
website. Next year I'm here with an Oscar special discussing | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
nominations of the glam mouse award ceremonies. Now we have Jamie | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
McDermott of the Irrepressible, accompanied by Connor Mitchell with | :40:08. | :40:16. | |
one of Benjamin Britten's cabaret songs. | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
A day late for Valentine's. # Some say love is a little boy | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
# Some say it is a bird # Some say it makes the world go | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
round # Some say that's absurd | :40:29. | :40:36. | |
# But when I ask the man next door # Who looked as if he knew | :40:36. | :40:46. | |
:40:46. | :40:49. | ||
# His wife was very cross indeed # And said that wouldn't do | :40:49. | :40:56. | |
# Does it look like a pair of pyjamas | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
# Or the ham in the temperance hotel | :41:00. | :41:10. | |
:41:10. | :41:11. | ||
# Tell me the truth about love # Does its oder remind one of Lamas | :41:11. | :41:21. | |
:41:21. | :41:22. | ||
# Or has it a comforting smile # Tell me the truth about love | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
# Is it prickley to touch # As the hedges | :41:27. | :41:34. | |
# And soft as an eiderdown fluff # Is it soft and smooth at the | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
edges # Tell me the truth about love | :41:37. | :41:47. | |
:41:47. | :41:48. | ||
# You are feel -- your feelings when you meet it | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
# I'm told you can forget # I sought it since I was a child | :41:54. | :42:03. | |
# But I haven't found it yet # I'm getting on for 35 | :42:03. | :42:12. | |
# But still I do not know # What kind of creature it can be | :42:13. | :42:22. | |
:42:23. | :42:23. | ||
# That bothers people so # When it comes | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
# Will it come without warning # Just as I'm picking my nose | :42:29. | :42:36. | |
# Oh tell me the truth about love # Will it knock | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
# On my door # In the morning | :42:41. | :42:50. | |
# Oh step on the bus on my toes # Or tell me the truth about love | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
# Will it come like a change in the weather | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
# Will its greeting be courteous # Or bluff | :43:00. | :43:02. |