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On the review show tonight. He's got the hair and the axe, but

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can Tom Cruise cut it as a guitar legend in Rock of Ages.

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There is Invisible Art at the Hayward Gallery, is there more to

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it than meets the eye. A starry cast finds true love in an

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improvised drama on BBC One. And Frances Osborne goes upstairs

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Downton Abbey in her new novel, Park Lane. We will have live music

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from Amy McDonald. My guests tonight are Sarah

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Crompton arts editor of the Telegraph, the broadcaster, Mark

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Forrest, and writer and comedian, David Schneider. We begin with a

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jukebox musical, Rock of Ages like Mahmood and We Will Rock You, has a

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plot wrapped around existing songs, from bands such as Def Leppard,

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Foreigner and Journey. It opened in the West End last year, and a movie

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version was almost inevitable. Ladies and gentlemen, the icon of

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rock. He may not get top billing, but Tom Cruise steals the show,

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playing Stacey Jacks, the front man of hair rockers Arsenal, he owes

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more than a little to Axl Rose of guns and Roses. Hey man? No, this

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is Hayman! The plot revolves around sherry, played by Julian Huffa

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small town girl from Oklahoma, who jump ones a bus to LA, and gets off

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at SunSet Strip. What about Drew? Very expensive. Not drool, Drew.

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She gets a job as a waitress at the Bush Bonn Rooms a club on a

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downward slide, run by rock dinosaur, Dennis, Alec Baldwin, and

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his side kick, Lonny, yes, it is Russell Brand. OK, call your band.

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Guys, we're opening up for Arsenal. Owen Jones, in her first movie

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musical since Chicago, leads an overzealous family values club that

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wants to close down the club. But it seems she knows more about the

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rock scene that she's railing on than she's letting on. # You're a

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real tough cookie # With a long histor

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# Of breaking little hearts # That's OK

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# Let's see how you do it # Put up your Dukes

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# Let's get down to it # Hit me with your best shot

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# Why don't you hit me with your best shot

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Reviveing the styles and sounds of the 80s, Rock of Ages tries to

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recreate the magic of stadium rock on film. Are plot and character

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neglect glegted in favour of a pumping soundtrack.

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Are you playing air guitar here, not?! Rock of Ages, did it rock

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you? It rocked. For me, it totally rocked, and listen, I know that the

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plot is not exactly the Usual Suspects, the characterisation

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would, it was far worse than in a Scooby Doo episode. I mean, there

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is so many things wrong with it. But, it worked for me. I think

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maybe it was the music, that I would be going, God those leads are

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so shallow, it is ridiculous, and then it is I Love Rock and Roll,

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there was a sense where I was aware that my critical faculties were

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being removed. But I loved the music, even though I hated it in

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the 80s. I loved the remember formances, I -

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- performances, and Tom Cruise was great. I can't believe he was

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saying, I thought it was purgatorial. I didn't hate the

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music. But I thought, the trouble was, the music had all the energy

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sucked out of it, by these incredibly self-conscious,

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unattractive performance, in an incredibly unattractive film. I

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have never felt rarely in the presence of so much horror. And Tom

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Cruise, I mean, uh. Really, the torso didn't do it for

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you. That torso didn't do it for you? Did it do it for you?

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Cruise wasn't bad in this at all. If you got bored of him doing

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Mission Impossible, and wanted him to go a Mgnoliaa -- Magnolia way.

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The problem is, if you don't gel with the music you won't like it at

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all. Before the classical music I had to play this stuff in the 80s,

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I tell you, nobody ever texted in for the classical stuff. That is

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your first problem. I don't think there is the resonance that people

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will have with the music. We have had three seasons of Glee, doing

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this sort of thing. If you think this film we watched was a long two

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hours, leading up to the big number, the show help stopper, which was

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Journey, Don't Stop Believing, think where Glee started, where has

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it gone since then. It is designed to appeal to a Glee audience?

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think what is clever about it is it is appealling to the Gleeks, the

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Glee audience, and their parents. And people like myself, if I may

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use the term Proustiay reaction to seeing Tower Records and people

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dating and going having photos in photo booths. For people of my age,

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or just me, that sort of again disarmed me. It is just that is the

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setting in the 80s. I appeal to my fellow panellists, didn't you think

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there was some amazing comedy performances there. I thought Alec

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Baldwin saved it for me. Every time he came on I felt slightly better.

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Wonderful duet between Alec Baldwin and Russell Brand. That was a

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moment. Nearly saved the film for me. A Birmingham Fagan-type

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character. It was a Dick Van Dyke. Anything that saved his performance

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was the duet that made everybody life. Paul Giametti is always great,

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he is sleazey and reptilian in that. Back to Cruise, I liked him in

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Magnolia, something was very odd in this performance, I don't know if

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it is par dee, I think he teeters over to him feeling he is having a

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good time. Judge for yourself, odd or not. You know some people have

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said you have become quite difficult to work with, that you

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are constantly late, you reclusive, sometimes nonsensical? I will ask

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you this, have these people even met themselves? Well, I'm talking

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about your band. Let me tell you something, I know me better than

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anyone. Because I live in here. Chris, he's loving that, isn't he?

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If you carry on watching it, they then go into Foreigner, and I Want

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To Know What Love Is, in a way you have never seen it or will again.

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He like Russell Crowe Kianu Reeves, they want to be rock stars, and

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this is him having a go at it. People in the cinema where I saw it

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were groaning, it is curdling into something that is not there. I went

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to press reviewing with an audience and there was only me laughing. It

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is out of context that piece. But I thought he really pushed it. I

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thought it was as good as his Tropic Thunder performance. I loved

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him in that. Obviously he was playing an alcoholic who couldn't

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get out of bed, and yet looked like he spent every single minute in the

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gym. He never, he doesn't run in this, like he does in all the other

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films. There is always the torso. There is something problematic

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about jukebox musicals themselves, some succeed, Mama Mia has. Not

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many others have? The songs have to be almost irresistable, which was

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the thing about Mama Mia had, and others, I liked the Tower Record

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scene, it is all set in grungy clubs and everybody is unattractive.

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It is grunge year, but not dangerous, not really rock 'n' roll.

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It is very sanatised? I don't think Def Leppard or Bonn Jovi were

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dangerous, or Quarter Flash, skap harden My Heart was never a

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dangerous song. In the same way as you see in a 70s film there is a

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space hopper, you get the brick mobile phone and the flick, and the

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Bonnie Tyler firm. Paul Giametti deserves a prize for his widow's

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peak hairstyle. He deserves an award, he crosses the stage, it was

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cringey, comedy bones. Brilliant. His pony tail was very good. But

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for 80s music fans, definite hit, Rock of Ages is out now. When the

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Hayward Gallery announced the latest exhibition would feature

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Invisible Art, some people wondered if it was a joke at the public's

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expense, with one threatening to pay his entrance fee with invisible

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money. The idea of Invisible Art dates back decades, there is plenty

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to look at and experience with your other senses as the show as curator

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explains. It is an exhibition with works by over 60 artists over 50

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years. It is with the invisible unseen, not everything in the show

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is invisible. There are things to look at. There are things to read.

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That is especially important in a show like this. All this work,

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though, really, artists like to break up our routines and our

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habits, our conventional ways of behaving. This show addresses the

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complacency of scene. This is a work by Tom Friedman, who

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went to a professional witch, and asked her to curse the spear kal

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space that rests 11-inches over this plinth. He was interested in

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the idea that if you give an object a history, people will look at it

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in a completely different way. Not every blank piece of paper in an

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Invisible Art show is the same. This is a piece of an unseen green

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colour and mental energy. There was an image there, but it has

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evaporated. The only person who saw the image was the artist himself.

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This is a work by Terry Bywater, it is nothing other than a dark --

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This is nothing other than a dark room. All the things we do in dark

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space, all the emotions we protect and thoughts we have come out. In

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our culture we are told what you see is what you get, these artists

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approach things in a different way. When you read the description of

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this piece on the wall, the title Invisible Vehicle, I, at least,

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start to imagine that there is something in this space that has

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weight, density, the artist didn't give us the keys, we haven't been

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able to take it for a drive around the gallery yet. I do feel this

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space is not empty. This in visible Labyrinth works by

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putting on a pair of headphones that vibrate every time you hit an

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invisible wall. Despite being a wonderfully involving experience,

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it is a great metaphor for the creative process, and having to

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feel your way without been able to see through the process. Admittedly

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some of this work is deliberately provocative, sometimes mischievous,

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I think that it is also taking on a very important task of trying to

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get us to have a broader approach to works of art, and to what they

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mean and how they make us think. Sar ra, you hear about an

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exhibition like -- Sarah, you hear about an exhibition like this, it

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could be a sense of Emperor's new clothes? It is hard to talk about,

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without sounding like you have come out of the corner exhibition. When

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you walk in, it does seem like an team gallery, it made me smile, it

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was wonderful that sense it was invisible. It was cleverly mounted

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and everything is transLuisent and pale. It works in it are

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provocative, interesting and thought provoking. I particularly

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liked the ones where there is a suggestion that where the absence

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of something makes you think there is something present. With the one

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we saw there, something was there, and you think about his brain power

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and you have to imagine what was once there. Imagination is a real

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thing. In the same way with the Robert Barry doing the force fields,

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a force field is a real thing, you can't see it. It seems to be you

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look into all those invisible, visible, what is and what is not,

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what is role and unreal. I found it really thought provoking. Quite

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often, having a sense of the absurd about it, you mentioned smiling,

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being in a room with two air conditioners, somebody there seemed

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to take it very seriously and I ended up laughing. In that room

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there is a white room with two air conditioning unit, you are

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desperately looking for the art. I think the other people become the

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art. I think that's interesting. What I found a bit difficult with

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the exhibition is it became a bit repetitive, it was always saying

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here is a different way, only slightly different way of

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questioning our relationship with art in a gallry I also found that

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there was times when I was laughing. I think with the Swiss guy, where

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one of his paintings was done with brain energy and garden snails, for

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example. I just wonder, are we meant to laugh at it? I don't know.

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There are darker points in the exhibition as well. We saw the room

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of black there. Which really provokes the idea of absence that

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Sarah was talking about. This is where the exhibition started. When

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you go into the room before, you are supported by all the wits of

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White Paper, beautifully mounted, only so many of those will you be

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inspired by. I went into the velvet curtain room, you stand there and

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you are very still. I would defy anybody, however cynical, to go in

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there and not find they are thinking about something, or

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hearing things. This is a work of art created by James Lee Byars,

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prefacing his own death, he is dead now? As I'm standing there,

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somebody walks in. Very nervous because they can't see something

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either. You are hit with the shall I stand here and they sense I'm

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here, and we make art together. Or do I the terribly British thing

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where I say I'm here, which I did. The more successful ones are expeer

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yeings, part of the problems is, -- expeer earnings, part of the

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problem is one artist asked for platform in the gallery, the only

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requirement was that no-one should be able to see him. He spent days

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in there, he saw no-one, no-one saw him. I read the plaque about how

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people had reacted, I loved that. If they had recreated that work

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would that have been a good idea? There is a similar one, some of the

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people walking around with you are an artwork. There is an artwork,

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the spectators are paid to be there. So you do look at them, and think,

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I wonder whether they are a speck Tate Ora not. My husband lift --

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spectator or not. My husband lifted an invisible statue off the plinth

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and everybody thought he was part of the artwork. Enyou go to a

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gallery on your own -- when you go to a gallery on your own and you

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read all the stuff, you don't talk to people. If they are actors we

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chat add lot. What it goes back to, it goes back

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to the notion that the audience brings to it, the audience is a

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completion of the artwork. Macel Du Champs said the audience has to

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bring something and then the artwork is complete. I thought that

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sense is really powerful, so that the room with the air conditioners,

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one of them the air has been put through supposedly the water that

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was used to wash dead bodies with in Mexico in the drug cartels, that

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in itself is a powerful idea. The fact is, it doesn't have to have

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happened, it is that you believe it has happened, that makes the work

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powerful. So, I found all the time, that you were stepping into

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something that you don't understand, and makes you pause and be

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philosophical about it. It sounds like your imagination was waxing

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and waning as you went through it reacting to wane things? I found I

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was really doctored in the experience of the whole gallery --

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interested in the experience of the whole gallry I clung to what it

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said on the walls because there was very little else. It was a

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successful exhibition because it made me question how I am with art

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what artists should be doing. I wondered whether each of these

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exhibits would be more powerful when they were juxtaposed with a

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presence. There was so much absence. I went into the place where there

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was no-one else there. I went into Tracey's room, there is nothing in

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there but the plinth that has been cursed and the invisible car. To be

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there complete owe on your own is a different -- completely on your own

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is a different things to be surrounded by throngs of people

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interacting and jumping on the car. Invisible can be seen at the

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Hayward Gallery until the 5th of August. Love, the subject of a new

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BBC One drama series may be just as hard to see, but its effects can be

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devastating. But it is a theme explored in five 30-minute stories,

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created, rather unusually for mainstream drama, Through

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improvisation. True Love features an impressive

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cast, Jane Horrocks, David Tennant, it is written and directed by

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Dominic Savage, all five dramas are set in his home town of Margate in

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Kent. The idea came from, I suppose, all the other films I have made,

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which at the heart of them they are about relationships, and how people

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do and do not relate to each other. It is playing with those ideas. Who

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do we really love. And making those kinds of decisions. Even the idea

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that even with established relationships, they can be

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something that comes in and upsets the balance of it. We believe we

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love one but something can upset or ruin it.

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In terms that the script o the outline is very detailed. The plot

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-- or the outline is very detailed. The plot is all there, and I give

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the actors enough to understand what's happening that particular

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point in the story. But not too much that it stops them bringing

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their own feelings into it. It is important for me that they inhabit

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the roles in way that is personal to them. Where have you been?

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have been living in Canada. this time? About 13 years, yeah.

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Got a little girl. Nice. What's her name? Elli, she's four.

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With the actors, the choosing them is key, I have to feel they could

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be emotionally engaged in this kind of thing. There is a relationship

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between me and them that I pick up on quite quickly there is a scene

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in episode 2, which is Ashley Waters and Jamie Winstone, it is

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about this passionate love at first sight thing that happens. I

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suddenly thought, I wanted them to have fun. In the script there

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wasn't that element there. I just thought we just do a dance scene.

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It was really spur of the moment. The actors blended in a really

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interesting way. The scene is full of emotion and passion and good,

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really, almost like forbidden fun. I think all you can be is very

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honest and sincere about what you are doing and what you want to do.

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If those feelings that you have got have come across in the way that

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they should, then there is nothing to fear.

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I want to begin by asking but improvisation, I think it is much

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more common in television comedy than it is in drama, especially

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mainstream drama, like BBC One? was very interesting, I have done

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improvisation in comedy, it was interesting to see this piece. I

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felt, I should say firstly I felt it worked, it was very moorish, I

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kept wanting to watch all of it. It went very quickly I think

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paradoxically it is incredibly visual, it is the visual element,

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the direction, there isn't that much dialogue, even though the

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improvisation is the big selling point. But the improvisation

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sometimes, it is incredibly exciting, especially in the episode

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with Piper, I thought that worked so well. But the danger with

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improvisation, is that we're not writers, as a writer as well, I was

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pleased sometimes to think, give me what you have done, and let me go

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and write it up and put some spisity in it, -- spesity in it,

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and back story and improvise more with that. I watched a little while

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ago, as I began watching it, it got a different performance about the

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actors, I thought perhaps they are improvising? It relies entirely on

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the actors. It is lucky he has an incredible cast of actors. They do

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really well with the improvisation. I didn't realise it was improvised.

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I watched it, thinking it is wonderful, spare dialogue, and

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there is a genuineness with about the way they are speaking. That is

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the great strength. I think some of the performances are devastatingly

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good. Did some of the actors rise to the challenge different to the

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others? I simply was drawn in with them, and ended up watching all

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five. I think the problem with the improvisation, and the very minimal

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dialogue, is sometimes we fall back, we do it ourselves, on very, very

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cliched forms of speech. There are a couple of these trying to say I

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love you kind of scenes, that is something like The Only Way is

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Margate. But the actors were so much better than those you see in

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TOWIE they could do it with a luck on their face. I thought the

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favourite was number 4, Jane Horrocks was great. David Tennant

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is the big star of number 1, his dilemma is he had to walk out on a

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marriage and that because someone he loved before came back. Horrocks

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is having a rocky time in her marriage, her daughter is going to

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university, she has a man come into her shop and show some interest in

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her, it makes her re-think her life. That is a decision you can

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improvise over 25 minutes and it works to perfection. The strength

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of the pieces, that Dominic Savage had mapped out the story, there was

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a safety net for the actors. A lot of the scenes are visuals, just the

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actors' faces. Because the stories were so interesting, sometimes when

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the improvised dialogue wasn't so interesting, like they missed you a

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lot, and I love you, that almost seemed like a positive thing.

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loved, that I loved the David Tennant one. I thought that David

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Tennant one was riveting, he seemed to be completely believable that he

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was trying to be a good man. I thought the silence he brought to t

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and the very little that was said, was extraordinary. Did anyone see a

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much bigger juxtaposition of the scene where everything is perfect,

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and one phone call from the office from the receptionist and this girl

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who you ran away from has suddenly come in. I wondered throughout all

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the drams, sometimes the editing towards the end of it became brutal,

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we had moodiness and stillness and suddenly the story had to be

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wrapped up? The Billie Piper one is a good one, and different to all

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the rest. At the beginning it is in the first scene, Piper is having an

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affair with married man, and she has to go on a jouorn year, one

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would think it was a big deal, -- journey, one would think it was a

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big deal, and it happens in moments. That is a big deal for the BBC. I

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like the fact they are really compressed emotion, and they are

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very stylised, certain scenes seem to occur, there is a driving scene

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in a lot of them. Margate itself becomes player. Looking more

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beautiful. And the sky above Margate. Turner's Sky. The use of

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music was extraordinary? I feel with all the one that is I saw, any

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way. Their strengths and their weaknesses, sometimes the music was

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fantastic and just right, and sometimes you thought, we have

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understood, you don't need to lay it on. First Time Ever I Saw Your

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Face, was crass, we don't need it. The dramas will be striped across a

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week, do we see themes emerges or do they work as whole, or a climax

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in the last one? Could you watch them in any order. There are

:28:55.:28:58.

certain characters who do reoccur, but you wouldn't actually need them

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to do so at all to enhance your understanding. I love these striped

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across one week dramas I love when they give you a sense of place. I

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loved Top Boy, they were based in Hackney. This one, telling me a lot

:29:14.:29:18.

about a place I didn't know terribly well. I think they work

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wonderfully. What about the overall theme, true love, what do you think

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it was saying about different relationships, there were

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concurrent themes in that? As I say, the thing I liked was the fact that

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they seemed to be quite real people doing real jobs, working in a

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carpet ware house, working in a boring office, trying to make their

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marriages work. That is not what you seen on television. People

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trying to make things work. thought the improvisation helped

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with the sense of the ordinary, and the look of Margate and everything.

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That was the strength of using improve adviceation there.

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I would certainly -- Improvisation there. I would certainly say watch

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all of them. From Upstairs, Downstairs to Downton Abbey and

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Titanic, there is no shortage, it seems of a the class divided world

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of Edwardian Britain. That is the theme of Park Lane, a

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novel by Frances Osborne, will it have the success of her best-

:30:23.:30:27.

selling non-fiction. Frances Osborne's previous books

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were based on the lives of two of her great-grand mothers, one was

:30:35.:30:40.

imprisoned and interned in a Japanese camp, and the other

:30:40.:30:50.

scandalised by society. The next one draws on her history,

:30:50.:30:57.

two young women with the upheaval of the world war. Beatrice is the

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unmarried daughter of a businessman, who becomes jaded by the social

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season. Below stairs, in the same Mayfair mansion, is Grace Campbell

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a maid from Carlyle, and whose accent prevents her from being a

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secretary. As Grace discovers dusting, Bea's involvement with the

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suffragettes movement introduces her to a thrilling and dangerous

:31:23.:31:32.
:31:33.:31:58.

Bea is swept away by the war, to work as an ambulance driver in

:31:58.:32:03.

northern France, while Grace is left with a troubling secret.

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From society drawing rooms to the trenches of France, and back to a

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much-changed Mayfair, the narrative traces the evolution of women's

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emancipation, the fault line between feminism and feminity and

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the rise of the working-class movement. Frances Osborne knows

:32:19.:32:23.

politics from the inside. Her father was a minister, and her

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husband is the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Frances Osborne. So does

:32:27.:32:30.

she bring authenticity to this historic year of immense social

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change, or is this simply another rose-tinted look at life above and

:32:35.:32:42.

below a grand staircase. Did you find this an engaging

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story? I must admit when you sent me the book and I saw the cover, I

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thought it is probably a book I would run a mile out of the

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bookshop rather than have to endure, with a debbuant in pearls looming

:32:55.:32:59.

over the girl with the maid's frock, you don't get to see her face. I

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picked it up this morning and I sat with it, and I read it all, quite

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enjoyed it. I surprised myself. I thought back 100 yearsk back into

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the narrative, we are in austerity, and we are all wishing we could be

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back where a few aristocratic land lors could make things better. I

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put it aside, -- landlords could make things better. I put it aside

:33:22.:33:28.

and enjoyed it, right to the end where there is a twist.

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historical accuracy with the move from non-foix fiction? She writes

:33:34.:33:39.

well as a non-fiction writer. The problem with this is she hadn't

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made the transition to becoming a novelist. There is an awful lot of

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fact that comes in, it is interesting, the Suffragette

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movement, the suffer from the Home Rule Bill brought into parliament.

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Women in the war wore carbolic belts. The facts crowd in. No sense

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of character there is -- there is no sense of character. I didn't

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know who anyone was. There was the leading MP, and Frances Osborne had

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no idea beyond a Mackintosh who he was. I wanted to know what someone

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looked like in the book. Hats off to anyone who writes a novel, which

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is like a terrible start, you know it is going to be bad. That is

:34:21.:34:26.

quite a low base! I think the story was good, that's all right. About

:34:26.:34:32.

five or six lines in there is a door handle described as "night-

:34:32.:34:37.

cold and turnip-long", you think either this is the new James Joyce

:34:37.:34:40.

or it is really going to be bad. It is not James Joyce.

:34:40.:34:44.

I mean, it is readable, it is readable. I got to the end. Isn't

:34:44.:34:49.

that what you want with this sort of book. I was frustrated, you

:34:49.:34:55.

wanted someone to describe things better. There was Emily Pankhurst

:34:55.:34:59.

into it, there was a moment she meets her and you know it is meant

:34:59.:35:03.

to be a big deal. The women, Emily Pankhurst and the other women are

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described as holding their heads high, the one that is had been

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force-fed, their heads even higher. It is like they were Mere cats. --

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mere cats. There was the horrendous description of the house in the

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beginning and the introduction of Grace who speaks in language that

:35:28.:35:36.

doesn't ring true. I managed to put aside. I put it up with fever and

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who doesn't want another Upstairs, Downstairs, and doesn't want

:35:39.:35:43.

another Downton Abbey, I surprised myself and enjoyed it to the end.

:35:43.:35:48.

Why do we go back to the Upstairs, Downstairs themes, why do we like

:35:49.:35:52.

this class-ridden world? I think the thing is, what I felt

:35:52.:35:56.

frustrating about it, it is a fascinating period. The fight for

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suffragettes, one of the great stories, the fact that women didn't

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agree on how to achieve the vote, is riveting. She has all that

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lurking in the background. You have the business of the rise of the

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Labour Party, and the rise of socialism, there is loads of very

:36:10.:36:13.

interesting things going on there. The frustration is that none of it

:36:13.:36:18.

springs to life, it is all just syphers. There are great book about

:36:18.:36:23.

that period where you actual low have a sense of what it is like in

:36:23.:36:28.

this firmment of social change. Why is it, what is it about this

:36:28.:36:32.

class world, this world of class that seems to be the zeitgeist in

:36:32.:36:37.

some way to us now? What we are told, the there is truth in it,

:36:37.:36:42.

because of this age of austerity, and this terrible thing, the euro

:36:42.:36:45.

is going to collapse and the whole banking system collapsing tomorrow,

:36:45.:36:50.

we are rushing back to no sir talgia. We love the class structure

:36:50.:36:57.

we all -- nostalgia, and we love the class structure because we all

:36:57.:37:07.
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knew we were. The Jubilee is a version of the Downton Abbey.

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are turning this thing about the Queen into a need for a fuedal

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system, I don't think that is there. I don't think she is particularly

:37:15.:37:19.

interested, she is interested in the change happening, and the fact

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that the class structure is beginning to collapse, which I

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think is what makes that period so riveting, and accelerated by the

:37:27.:37:33.

war. What is interesting is that you have the sympathies, we

:37:33.:37:36.

shouldn't judge her as the Chancellor's wife, but her

:37:36.:37:40.

sympathies are with the Suffragettes who espoused violent

:37:40.:37:48.

means for a just cause. You wonder if the Osborne house is like a

:37:48.:37:53.

Bercow house claim clim We will draw to an end here. --!. We will

:37:53.:37:59.

draw to an end. Tomorrow June 16th is Bloomsday, the annual

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celebration of all things Joyceian, particularly of the novel, Ulysses,

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which is set on June 16th, 1904. This year in honour of the 90th an

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verse reef its publication. Radio 4 is interrupting the schedule with a

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seven-part dramatisation, set across the day. Starting in the

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morning and ending just before the midnight news. Mr Leopold Bloom

:38:24.:38:29.

eats with relish the inner organs of beasts and foul. Now in dreams,

:38:29.:38:33.

silently she comes to me. I was blue mouldy for the want that have

:38:33.:38:39.

pint. Yes, I said, yes, I will, yes.

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As Joyce's characters roam around Dublin, the narrative moves in and

:38:43.:38:47.

out of their minds, perhaps straight forward in a radio

:38:47.:38:51.

adaptation, but more of a challenge for a television director in the

:38:51.:38:57.

1960s. Could buy one of those silk petty coats for Molly, colour of

:38:57.:39:06.

her new Garters. Boylen again, not sea, no think. Ever since its

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publication, Ulysses has sparked extreme reactions, from outrage to

:39:11.:39:15.

adoration, even the most creative version causing consternation, as

:39:15.:39:21.

the BBC discovered in 1982. John Tidyman is the producer of the

:39:21.:39:24.

three-hour musical version of Ulysses, called Blooms of Dublin.

:39:24.:39:32.

Two weeks ago in Dublin he faced the indignation of the RTE singers,

:39:32.:39:37.

they refused to sing what they regarded as a pro-fain,

:39:37.:39:41.

pornographic and blasphemous song. # They deserved a condom

:39:41.:39:49.

# A pessery too of course The members of the Irish house

:39:49.:39:53.

wives association protest against the proposed broadcast...Joyce

:39:53.:39:58.

a bawdy writer. He was bawdy, and it was in a natural sort of way.

:39:58.:40:02.

This is, I don't know, it seems to be advocating unnatural practices,

:40:02.:40:12.
:40:12.:40:19.

as you might say. Will this version enthral or enrage a radio audience

:40:19.:40:25.

throughout Bloomsday. My own favourite quote is "the

:40:25.:40:31.

sacred pint alone will unbind the tongue of deedless", it starts

:40:31.:40:35.

tomorrow morning at 9.10. More details on the website and

:40:35.:40:39.

everything on the programme. Keep tweeting and let us know your

:40:39.:40:43.

thoughts about tonight's discussions. My thanks go to David,

:40:43.:40:49.

Sarah and Mark, next week Kirsty will be back to look at Julie

:40:49.:40:55.

Walters return to the theatre. And the follow up to The Thick Of It.

:40:55.:40:59.

We end with music from the singer- songwriter, Amy McDonald, with

:40:59.:41:04.

music from A Beautiful Life, the album out this week, this is Slow

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# I never knew # You before

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# I'd been walking around # With my eyes on the floor

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# But now you're everywhere to me # You're every face that I see

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# Things ain't moving quick enough # For me

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# I guess I've been running around town

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# Leaving my tracks # Burning out rubber

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# Driving too fast # But I gotta slow right down

:41:58.:42:01.

# Back to the moment # The very start

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# From the very first day # You had my heart

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# But # Gotta slow right down

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# Slow it down # Down down down

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# Wishing wanting for something more

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# Always better than I had before # Who knew these dreams

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# Would come true # I run the red

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# Won't stop at night # I don't care for traffic lights

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# Things ain't moving quick enough # For me

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# I guess been running around town # Leaving my tracks

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# Burning out rubber # Driving too fast

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# But # Gotta slow right down

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# Back to the moment At the very start

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# From the very first # You had my heart

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# But I gotta # Slow right down

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# I guess I been running round town # Leaving my tracks

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# Burning out rubber # Driving too fast

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# But I gotta slow right down # Back to the moment

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# The very start # From the very first dayle # You

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