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On the review show tonight, the East End of London. Seen through

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the lens of one of its most famous sons, David Bailey. I hate all

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those old fart that is want to talk about the 60s. And transformed by

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the architecture of the Olympic Park. Four new films commissioned

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to mark the Olympics. And reverse. Into our cow.

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And other highlights of the London 2012 festival. 10 million

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opportunities to see 12,000 events and performances, but to what

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extent is there something for everyone.

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Lining up on the starting blocks are the writer and critic, Morley

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more, author and historian, Bettany Hughes, and Dreda Say Mitchell. The

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photographer David Bailey was born and brought up in London's East End,

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it is right his exhibition should be in the Royal Docks, as part of

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the capital's CREATE festival. David Bailey's east en, encompass -

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- East End, encompasses the change in the area. Looking at three

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decades in his career. Using unseen images from his vast collection.

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How did this exhibition come out, what motivated and prompted it?

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have been working on a book about the East End three or four years

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before. There will be three volumes, the 60s, the 80 and the present day.

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-- the 80 and the present day. Some how, I think somebody contacted

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somebody, at Boris's office, they showed me this compresser house,

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they said the lighting is pretty awful, but I quite like that

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lighting and all the reflections in pictures, it gives it another depth.

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What about the pictures from the early 60s, they are very surprising,

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I have never seen that body of your work? Visually for me the 60s are

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emotional, they are more somebody searching. I'm searching. I love

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the loneliness of them. I notice there is always a lonely figure, it

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sort of, I remember the East End, especially around Stepney and Brick

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Lane, having a lonely feeling. It was always seemingly raining.

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the 80s, what is the thing there? Cold, I become very technically

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cute, and knew, you know, you kind of take the cubic path. The 80s

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ones are my German pictures, they are all on expensive lens and tilts.

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And then in the last five years? They are more, then I didn't know

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what to do. I only use digital for street or snaps, it is, the digital

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cameras don't have attitudes, they take a similar picture. I have

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watch my mates use digital and they look at it and say they have got t

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you never have got T because it is on digital you see it and think you

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have. On film you don't ever think you have it, you go a bit further.

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The whole exhibition is your relationship to a particular place,

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or an area? Or a person. Do you feel, still, distinctly connected

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to that part of London, that is now becoming the Olympic site? First of

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all, I don't think it is taking over the whole of the East End,

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there is plenty of it left. The East End gets pushed and pushed, it

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will end up in France if it is not careful. Or Holland. It keeps going

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east. They should have gone west, if they were smart arses, that is

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the way it end went. Does it make you nostalgic? No, I hate nostalgia,

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it is awful, it is, I can't think, I hate all those old farts that

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want to talk about the 60s, and notth's gone, it is done, there is

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a few snaps of it left, let's move on. Now it is the most interesting

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moment we are ever going to have, isn't it?

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I think it probably is, in that philosophical sense, Paul Morley.

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There is plenty of new work in this exhibition, were you surprised or

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did it reinforce what you expected him to do? I have always known away

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from the image of Bailey he's great photographer. It great to see the

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sense of the now of the 60s, that was his now, he was in his element,

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it is this energy, and a craving of these people he captures, some more

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famous than others. It tell us how this is both an exhibition about

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Bailey's growth and the East End of London, and the parts are well done.

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The tremendous sense of him discovering himself in the 60s. In

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the 80s, as he says, there is a coldness about it, he's using it as

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a back drop. The East End has gone into stasis, it is dropping off the

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edge of the planet. It is almost beyond him when it goes digital.

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You realise the great analog period is over in many sorts of ways, and

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that energy and depth and life of the 60s has become ghostly he is

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not sentimental about t he's still looking and finding things.

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Equipment isn't helping him. There is a brittleness about it -- the

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equipment isn't helping him, there is a brittleness about it, that is

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clear to the times. These are historical documents, is there a

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timelessness, does Bailey manage to transcend his time, or is he always

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emphatically seeming to produce it? He is of his time, that is why he's

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such a brilliant photographer. So interesting to hear him talking

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about the 60s, and not being nostalgic about the 60s, he's so

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right, I'm sick of hearing about the swinging 60s, for those who

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lived in the decade the party was happening somewhere else, and you

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were on your own in a street in Stepney or Hackney. Or in Ronnie

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Kray's pub, which was firebombed moments after he took those photos

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there. If you look at some of the photos from 1961, you would say

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they were blilts photos, these are bombed and devastated streets. He

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has such tenderness for them. It takes place in the compressor

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building that was an old refrigerator. Without being too coy

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about it, the warmth out of the exhibition is enormous, he loved

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the taking of the photos, he loved the selecting, very few photos, not

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man in there at all. I get the sense he's being very involved in

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the way they have been mounted. I know he has, we were talking to the

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attendant, he said they made them find a tape producer for the labels,

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and they had to get one from the 60s. I love that he has said he

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doesn't like old farts getting nostalgic about the 60s, what about,

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then, the present in Bailey's work, what about the more recent

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photographs in particular, you live and work in the East End. Is this

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your East End, or does it chime with Bailey's East End? Which

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picture really struck me, from the 1960s, and I think what he does is

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very complex, it is the one in Spitalfields that we have shown,

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with the church in the background, I used to be a brownie at a

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neighbouring church down the road. What you have in that picture is

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not just a sense in the foreground of the wreckage of an Industrial

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Society, but you have that fabulous church that, even the shape of it,

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the tallness of it, you have got a real sense of prosperity and grand

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do you remember of the industrial age. So you have these two ages,

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that he snaps in this one shot. I tell you what I found out about the

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80s that was interesting. I lived in Docklands, I lived in Wapping

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for years, the pictures of his wife, I tell you what, I think sometimes

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what I would have liked is this sense that the Docklands and the

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warehouses, now people have stopped working in them, now they are

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living in them. I would have liked some pictures of people living in

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the warehouses, because I think sometimes we get this impression

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that the 80s in the East End was a dead time, it wasn't actually at

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all. It is about the idea of dwelling slightly on the 60s, now

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we are beorning to work out what was going on -- beginning to work

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out what was going on there, we are asking the questions and disregard

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them. And the idea that people were trying to piece together a new

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world, and sourcing their own sense of freedom, I think Bailey's trying

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to find his freedom. In the programme today it is interesting

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to see an unmonitored sense of people away from constantly being

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caught out and looked at. Bailey is capturing something that was rare

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to capture. Now, most images are constant, ever present. You get

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something really rare about the past that transcends being just

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nostalgic, you are not looking at it to say the good old days, but

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you are seeing a real energy, and the complexity of the photographs,

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the sense of the overwhelming nature of history, to an extent had

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fallen apart. And people with real, boisterous energy, like Bailey,

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starting to piece it back together. For me, he really gets into the

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whole of the East End, when people go into East London, particularly

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now, if you see films, it is gritty, tough, poor and downtrodden, if you

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look at the pictures in the club, they are suited and booted, the

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people in the club have their cufflinks on. It was a real thing

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you had to make yourself look good. Baileyesque almost, it is a big

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thing in communities. That is a nice thing to end it on, we are

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setting up what the future and the East End is now, not just suited

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and boot, but clad in high-tech. For the moment, David Bailey's,

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East End runs in the Royal Docks until August, there is a longer

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verse of the interslew on the website. Some of Bailey's -- on the

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interviews on the website. One of the stated aims of the London 2012

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Olympics was to transform and regenerate a neglected area of the

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city. The results are visible in the Olympic Park, containing eight

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new venues, alongside Britain's tallest work of art, and a 4,000

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square metres megastore. Beijing's centre piece was the

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bird's nest, it was always going to be hard act to follow. London's bid

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for the 2012 Olympics took a different approach, these are the

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sustainable games, where function trumps form, and buildings are

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lauded for their green credentials. The main stadium fits the bill. A

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straight forward structure praised for the use of low-carbon concrete,

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and the removal is up a teir, making it more viable. The

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velodrome has made an affectionate nickname, the pringle. The exterior

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echoing the shape of the track outside, has won many fans. It has

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been likened to a Stradivarius. The Aquatic Centre, with the wave-like

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roof, with highboards, and has secured approval from architects

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and swimmers alike. Other notable new venues are made to the

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sustainable brief, a reuseful basketball arena, and the copper

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box, set to become a community sports centre. The stand out

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structure is the Orbit, it is said to be inspired by the Tower of

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Babel, but it is more akin to a giant Helter Skelter. As the

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tallest tower in Britain, it comes with impressive views and a high

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price tag. Will it become the legacy of London 2012.

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How did these buildings measure up as landmarks, to previous Olympic

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landmarks? I think we are judging them a bit too soon, nothing is

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bedded in yet. When you go to the Olympic Park it is like a fun fair

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ride, you are arrive on the DLR or the cable car, it feels like an

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adventure. It is a really mixed bag. Definitely, the Pringle wins out

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over the volume will you vent, and none match up to the bird's nest.

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We can develop our new Cockney rhyming slang with all the names we

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give them. I have been underwhelmed by the buildings, apart from the

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velodrome, which is equisitely beautiful. It looks like what we

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are getting right, is it is called an Olympic Park, and for good

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reason, there is a goodment amount of green space. I want to see as

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the park develops and matures. Space as much as structure? I have

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seen quite a lot of this being built, in the car as we drive-by

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the Olympic stadium, and the velodrome. I have to say, like

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Bettany, I'm underwhelmed by it all. I don't hear people talking about

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it, not in the way people are talking about the Shard, you either

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like it or you don't, but people are talking about it. I remember

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when the Arsenal stadium of being built, did people talk about that.

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Only Arsenal fans? No, everyone talked about it. I have to say, in

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terms of talking about this new architecture, I'm a believer in why

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not use what we had already, like they did in 1948, very localised

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games, very successful. The athletes came into accommodation

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now that was there. And also that venues that were there. I don't

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know why we spent all this money. You want a Poundland Olympics, more

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appropriate to the high streets as they are. I want something that

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focuses on the Olympics, individuals and their talents and

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what they can do. Looking at the building and space, this was billed,

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if not the "Austerity Games" of 1948, one of the selling points

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that Sebastian Coe made to the Olympic Committee, is he would

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leave the Olympics in a more sustainable state, in terms of

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structures and buildings. Does that chime with you, have they succeeded

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in that? It has redrawn my map of East London, therefore, it might

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redraw the map of East London to a large extent. When you see the

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street down Bethnal Green, it looks like a distressed rollercoaster,

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close it is something else. There is a sense of inside an enclosed

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space, what has happened is a Balardic construct, an other place,

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the need for the British to present the Olympics in their own way, and

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the history of the Olympics has created a sub totalitarian bubble,

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where suddenly the Olympic rings have the feeling of a totalitarian

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logo. Something sinister has joined in, not the joyfulness of the rings

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replaced by that. The rings remind me when you had the hypermarkets at

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the edge of down. They are monuments to capitalism, who are

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these monuments to? To a few people's egos, within it is a

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wonderful thing. One or two architects have responded to the

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freedom of the brief to create wonderful things that no-one else

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has allowed them to do. temporary is an interesting thing,

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funnily enough, sculpture in the public domain has become temporary,

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but in the Olympic Park it is permanent. I want to say to you,

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Paul, I think you are being a bit harsh on it, I think, actually,

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there is an permanence there. There is tempity stuff coming away. But

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there is a character of London that you can't beat down. We have too

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deep roots to destroy. That the fact you have the beautiful

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buildings, but still, muddy old Bow Creek is surging around the corner.

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You were saying that, about the energy and character of the people,

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it doesn't represent this kind of London, it is droplets of something

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else. If you talk to local people, there is a real disconnect with

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those buildings. I think it is what you are saying, Paul, it seems to

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be happening over there. That may change when the Olympic Park is

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opened? And the long-term. They look like carcasses already.

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that edifying and optimistic note, we will end that. We will move.

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love sport! We will move into the creative domain. The Olympics may

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not have started yet, but we have almost reached the end of the

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fourth year of the Cultural Olympiad. According to the

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organisers more than 16 million people have taken part in or

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attended performance in the largest cultural celebration in the history

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of the modern Olympics. If you feel it has passed you buy, don't worry,

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the London 2012 festival is in full swing. As the Cultural Olympiad

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races towards the finish line, the arts baton is passed to the 2012

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festival. An all-encompassing programme, bringing together

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artists from all over the world. The festival deserves a gold medal

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for the sheer scale of programming. You may have attended an exhibition

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 57 seconds

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It's clearly enormous, does that size reflect ambition and

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achievement for you? It does, I think if you are going to have a

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party, have a big one. I think it does, I think if you're having an

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Olympics that is looking at humour, endurance and achievement, why not

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have cultural events as well. What I love about what we are doing with

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this festival is we are drawing in artists, I believe, from all the

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countries taking part in the Olympic. What we are doing is

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putting British achievement, cultural achievement, in the

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context of world achievement. I just think it is fantastic. We are

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also having everything from the Proms, to Tate Modern exhibitions,

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to various projects that may have exists any wa, but is the 2012

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Festival a good idea, because it gains a momentum and gives a sense

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of something much larger? There is an obligation to the shadowy

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figures that run the International Olympic Committee that this must be

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done. Sorry to be all Albert Steptoe, I love art and sport, I

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think there is a cultural obligation. The closer you get to

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that, and things squeezed in to being sporty, and inclusive, and in

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the long run it is anti-democratic, it gets cold. I get the feeling if

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you have been to some things and didn't know you were the Olympiad,

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you would have come across fantastic things. As soon as it

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gets close to that bloody logo it starts to shiver into the corporate

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world that is slightly underwomening. The ambition and

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idea of sell -- underwomening, the ambition and the idea of selling it,

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it is not all the bleeding obvious. A lot of the mainstream celebration

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and cermonial aspect of the Olympics is the bleeding obvious,

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it is great to get things around the edge that are not. Does it

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matter the Olympiad cultural festival? David Bailey is not part

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of the festival, and part of CREATE. The art is great as long as the

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audiences are right. There were interesting kids in the David

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Bailey, I have been to the events and it is your standard public, it

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doesn't seem to be anybody new coming to appreciate the art.

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go deeper into the art, in particular, we have seen the

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festival is nothing if not diverse, the film strnd is small t includes

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-- strand is small, it includes four of our known directors and two

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new ones. From the director of the acclaimed documentary, Senna,

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coming The Oddyssey. It is a mixture of aerial footage, Olympic

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archive, and interviews with unnamed Londoners, recalling the

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excitement of the announcement of the games in 2005, and reflecting

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the troubles since. It celebrate the inspirational power of sports,

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and asks, if London, in spite of recent difficulties, can bounce

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back. Lifetimes of stuff has happened, since that joyous

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screaming day in Trafalgar Square, but it is still London.

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It probably is still the greatest city in the world. Mike Leigh's A

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Running Jump, is fast-paced comedy about an all singing and diving car

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salesman, desperate to nail a sale. Shimmy on in and take a test flight.

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You can drive this with chopsticks and wash it on a Saturday night.

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Away you go. Leight's film also reflects the importance of sport in

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people's lives. From armchair punditry, to the teaching of

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aerobics and yoga. And reverse, into your cow.

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Set on a London council estate, What If, by the street dancing

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directing duo, draws on Rudyard Kipling's people If, a guardian

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angel guides a young boy through his troubles. Your's it is earth

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and everything in it. And which is more, there will be --

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you will a man, my son. Swimmer is Lynn Ramsey's poetic

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interpretation following a swimmer through Britain's waterways, lakes,

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rivers and urban canals. Intended as a showcase of Britain's finest

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director, these show radically different interpretations of a wide

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brief. Do they represent the best of British film making talent?

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How was the balance for you, both of the directors chosen and the

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films produced? It was a great balance. You have a very quirky,

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fast-moving film with Mike Leigh, A Running Jump, then you have the

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documentary, that is great, I loved that. You get such an aerial vision,

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The Oddyssey, then you get the Swimmer, which to me was a lot more

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abstract. It was the one I didn't connect with. I could see people

:24:17.:24:21.

connecting with it, it is absolutely beautiful. The favourite

:24:21.:24:28.

one for me was What If, it made me for the first time like brutalist

:24:28.:24:36.

architecture, I absolutely ait hate that. But they use it to show sport

:24:36.:24:41.

really well. And the nod to the Paralympics with the baseball

:24:41.:24:46.

player in the baseball court in a wheelchair. The basketball player?

:24:46.:24:50.

None of them feel like films that would have been commissioned by a

:24:50.:24:54.

tourist board, maybe that was never going to happen. But they give, to

:24:54.:24:57.

a certain extent, warts and all view of Britain, with the

:24:57.:25:03.

exceptional of Swimmer, much more poetic? I wouldn't argue with you,

:25:03.:25:08.

The Oddyssey could be given to the tourist board, beautiful aerial

:25:08.:25:12.

shots. It has the financial crisis? Then you go back to the wonderful

:25:12.:25:20.

sunset across the Shard. They are an eclectic mix, I love the Lynn

:25:20.:25:25.

scam Ramsey, completely abstract and it seems to be the most about -

:25:25.:25:29.

- Lynn Ramsey, completely abstract and it seems to be the most about

:25:29.:25:39.

London. It is waters all around us and the swimming is part. As a

:25:39.:25:45.

historian you must have liked it? There was a Famous Five theme tune

:25:45.:25:50.

to it, she enjoyed making it, you could see that. I love films, there

:25:50.:25:54.

was the thing that happens, I hate to come back to it, it is the sense

:25:54.:25:58.

of obligation. Here it is, we have to dot films now. In that sense,

:25:58.:26:02.

Mike Leigh's was the most honest because it was so slap dash and

:26:02.:26:08.

thrown away, it was like a weak sitcom F he was the Woody Allen, it

:26:08.:26:13.

was the film that would be his worst. The Lynn Ramsey and the What

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If, and The Oddyssey, they are interesting, they have a sense of

:26:17.:26:22.

whistfulness and bleakness, honest in a different sort of way. I like

:26:22.:26:25.

the idea that The Oddyssey could be a travel log film, it could be

:26:25.:26:28.

selling London to the rest of the world. There is a thing that Jeremy

:26:28.:26:35.

Hunter wants us to move up from the legal tables of most visited

:26:35.:26:41.

countries, from sixth to fifth. I guess that is what it is about, it

:26:41.:26:45.

is what are these films saying about London at the moment a l they

:26:45.:26:51.

achieve it. The Ramsey one, looking back to a postoral Britain, a

:26:51.:26:54.

psycadelic Britain, in black and white, is maybe what will bring

:26:54.:26:57.

people. To an extent The Oddyssey as well, the sense that London is

:26:57.:27:01.

an anxious and tough place, and it represents that really well. But

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also with a rather British sentimental quality as well. Just

:27:05.:27:09.

to say, it is a shame, I think, as you said it is the best of British

:27:09.:27:13.

making film talent, but not the best films they have ever made.

:27:13.:27:17.

should be, we are going to watch athletes in that. Jo what is the

:27:17.:27:22.

brief, who is in charge? I found it difficult, it needs that thing that

:27:22.:27:26.

at the moment that is so out of fashion, which maybe Danny Boyle

:27:26.:27:32.

will deliver, which is one voice, not this inclusive thing. We don't

:27:32.:27:37.

live We don't live in a country of one voice. You need one in control.

:27:37.:27:40.

That is the problem, it was interesting, this year I went to

:27:40.:27:47.

see John Carlos, one of the Olympiads from 1968, with the Black

:27:47.:27:51.

Power salute, which he said wasn't Black Power, he was talking about

:27:51.:27:54.

what we allow to happen to ourselves, is we allow people to

:27:54.:27:59.

choose our icons, that is kind of almost your modern one voice, that

:27:59.:28:03.

everyone filters through, I don't think it is like that. I think we

:28:03.:28:06.

can have many voices and pathway, that is what I liked about the

:28:06.:28:13.

films, it gave us an eclectic range of forces. Choosing Noel Clarke as

:28:13.:28:20.

our icon. What is wrong with him? That delivery of "If". It was great.

:28:20.:28:30.
:28:30.:28:33.

No, no, no. They felt slightly committeeised. There were still six

:28:33.:28:38.

executive producers. And the sport was squeezed in. The sport was the

:28:38.:28:42.

overarching thing, you think that was tokenistic. What is it saying,

:28:42.:28:45.

an unexpected sporting moment, not planned and not an ad telling us

:28:45.:28:49.

what will happen, will light up the Olympic Games. At the moment there

:28:49.:28:51.

is so much ordering and organising of how we should respond, and even

:28:51.:28:57.

this art is doing that. I think they have enabled art is a terrible

:28:57.:29:02.

thing. You want the one voice. missing something and focus, its a

:29:02.:29:05.

committee, the committee is the voice. The wider committee, once

:29:05.:29:10.

you start to get inclusive is the voice. That won't lead it a good

:29:10.:29:14.

place, this called Blue Peter inclusiveness. As tkhair of the

:29:14.:29:18.

committee I will stop this -- as chair of the committee, I will stop

:29:18.:29:23.

this. Unlike this sofa here, actually BBC Two and Channel 4 have

:29:23.:29:29.

collaberated on this proebgtj, all films will be shown -- project, all

:29:29.:29:35.

films will be shown next week. In an attempt to cover as much ground

:29:35.:29:38.

as possible, we have split the panel up and sent them to report on

:29:38.:29:42.

different events. Bettany, you first, you went to the Royal Opera

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House, to see a collaboration that involved ballet, choreographer,

:29:46.:29:56.
:29:56.:29:57.

dancers, artists and a robot? robot who is a goddess. It wasn't

:29:57.:30:00.

entirely coincidental, there is an ancient historic theme to this,

:30:00.:30:04.

that is why I leapt at the chance to see it. There is a lot of names,

:30:05.:30:10.

I went to see Titian 2012, there is also Metamorphosis, at the national

:30:10.:30:16.

gall hery they are responses to this extraordinary group of peoples,

:30:16.:30:21.

in particular the story of Diana and Acteon, the cheeky hunter, who

:30:21.:30:28.

spies on her, turns into a stag, and eaten by his own hounds.

:30:28.:30:32.

Chris Ofili, responding to Titian, and in turn they have worked with

:30:32.:30:42.
:30:42.:30:42.

Apology for the loss of subtitles for 57 seconds

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the Royal Ballet. Let's see the Plenty of Metamorphosis there, did

:31:27.:31:32.

it do justice to its origins? I loved the ambition of the project,

:31:32.:31:37.

I loved the fact it could have gone so spectacularly wrong, you have so

:31:37.:31:41.

many people involved, it short circuited you back to the

:31:41.:31:45.

brilliance, and beyond that to the primal, prehistoric roots of the

:31:45.:31:51.

games themselves, like the sanctuary of Artimis, a spiritual,

:31:51.:31:56.

dark, dangerous place, Trespass, gets you straight there. It

:31:56.:32:01.

succeeds on every level. It is at the Royal Ballet, but there is an

:32:01.:32:07.

exhibition at the national gallery and there is a book. Something more

:32:07.:32:10.

temporary, you were in Stratford at the royal theatre in Stratford, you

:32:10.:32:13.

weren't inside, what were you doing? This is a collaboration

:32:13.:32:21.

between the theatre Royal, strat -- Theatre Royal, and an Australian

:32:21.:32:27.

company, it is an award-winning production, called On Route, you

:32:27.:32:31.

turn up in a designated space outside, someone sends you to

:32:31.:32:36.

someone else, you get a set of headphones and an MP3 player, and

:32:36.:32:42.

lots of interactive instructions, envelopes on walls, messages own

:32:42.:32:47.

walls, tracks telling you where to go. You start wandering in spaces

:32:47.:32:52.

you wouldn't usually wander. It is a fantastic example of psycho-

:32:52.:32:57.

geography. The idea is people in urban dwellings are meant to send

:32:57.:33:01.

off their beaten track. I ended up in spot and spaces. I know

:33:01.:33:07.

Stratford well, that I would never end up in. Let's see where you did

:33:07.:33:12.

end up. If I told you a loved and hated the city. Loved and hated the

:33:12.:33:17.

way it surprises me, the way it changes, transforms. If I told you

:33:17.:33:22.

I loved this city. Loved and hated the way it takes me with it,

:33:22.:33:31.

absorbs me. Love the way it surprises me. Would you believe me?

:33:31.:33:41.
:33:41.:33:47.

Take a photo, now, take a photo. Licensed graffiti there. I loved it.

:33:47.:33:50.

Did you feel vulnerable, did you feel you were being taken to place

:33:50.:33:55.

you didn't necessarily want to go? Definitely, for example, there were

:33:55.:34:00.

a couple of stairwells, if I had been on my own, I had somebody with

:34:00.:34:03.

me, I wouldn't have actually gone up. I know the theatre company they

:34:03.:34:06.

were monitoring and making sure you were safe. But as a woman, every

:34:06.:34:10.

now and then, I thought, if I was doing this on my own, he wouldn't

:34:10.:34:14.

go to certain spaces. But, you knew somebody was looking after you. So

:34:14.:34:17.

it was great in that sense, because you were then able to enter spaces

:34:17.:34:23.

you wouldn't go to. Theatre tends to be, obviously we're isolated

:34:23.:34:28.

individuals, but we experience it communally, this seemed to be a

:34:28.:34:32.

more isolated experience, of that strong? What they wanted to do was

:34:32.:34:35.

to make it a solitary experience, for somebody to do on their own of

:34:35.:34:40.

the I'm not that kind of person, I want somebody with me, I had

:34:40.:34:44.

somebody with me, every now and then I could flip the ear phones of

:34:45.:34:49.

and ask what you think and what will you write on the wall.

:34:49.:34:52.

Something very nice happens to you at the end, which I won't tell

:34:52.:34:55.

anybody about. People can experience it for themselves. Paul,

:34:55.:35:01.

had you the monumental job of experiencing as many of the 20,

:35:02.:35:05.

2012 commissions for music, 12- minute slots each. They have been

:35:05.:35:08.

played in various place all over the country. For the first time

:35:08.:35:11.

they were all performed over the same weekend at the Southbank

:35:11.:35:21.
:35:21.:35:48.

# Can you not stop running # Stop running

:35:48.:35:58.
:35:58.:36:10.

So how was it for you? Just wandering into spaces you never

:36:10.:36:14.

usually wander, that is the function of this kind of music,

:36:14.:36:17.

contemporary music. I love music, what is interesting about that is

:36:17.:36:22.

the idea that some of this contemporary music will be some of

:36:22.:36:27.

the most marginalised alleyways of modern culture, to an extent. It is

:36:27.:36:31.

often the distance is down ununusual alleyways, it is an

:36:31.:36:34.

opportunity for them to get some attention. Within that you kind of

:36:34.:36:39.

think, there has to be 20, and they have to be 12 minutes each, they

:36:39.:36:42.

didn't have to have a sporting theme, but everybody did do them.

:36:42.:36:48.

There is lots of lines on the stage. That was a frame for people to kick

:36:48.:36:52.

against? It is interesting, it workeded in a number of ways. The

:36:52.:36:57.

opera, in 12 minutes it is a tremendous opera. It gave us an

:36:57.:37:04.

opportunity to come across someone like Graham Phikin, one of the

:37:04.:37:09.

great composers in the country, no- one will know his name. Even though

:37:09.:37:15.

he's squashed into being one of the 20, you get a sighting of someone

:37:15.:37:20.

who needs more exposure. That was a real success. People wandering off

:37:20.:37:24.

the streets too, because they were free. People sit down and coming

:37:24.:37:28.

across different forms of music, way outside the Gary Barlow end of

:37:28.:37:32.

things. And being excited, seeing different levels of fantasy, noise,

:37:32.:37:36.

ways of expressing themselves. Even though the thing had that thing

:37:36.:37:41.

that I love music, but the relay, it is a marathon, I think this was

:37:41.:37:45.

a tremendous example of how a focus over things released over a year or

:37:45.:37:48.

two suddenly came into one place, and really gave a meaning about

:37:49.:37:53.

other places to listen to, that are usually covered up. Instead of the

:37:53.:37:57.

idea about Olympics and the Cultural Olympiad being about

:37:57.:38:02.

legacy in terms of monument or works of art that will last, I get

:38:02.:38:05.

the impression from you all that the strongest things are

:38:05.:38:10.

experimental, and are only with now, and what happens in the future are

:38:10.:38:13.

not a concern of the those creating them? It is interesting that it

:38:13.:38:17.

needs something like this to give access and space to the tremendous

:38:17.:38:20.

nature of what is at the heart of this, one of the most central parts

:38:21.:38:23.

of our soul, which is experimentation. But the corporate

:38:23.:38:28.

world, of course, continue, and tries to undermine it, because it

:38:28.:38:31.

is ideolgical, they want to control that, because it leads to the sort

:38:31.:38:35.

of freedom they wouldn't like, and we would all be complaining about

:38:35.:38:39.

the totalitarian logo. The legacy is the moment when your mind is

:38:39.:38:43.

open to something new. That is the thing. And we share it. I think it

:38:44.:38:49.

is the connections people make, dare I use the word "inclusive"

:38:49.:38:54.

connections people make. We may have agreement breaking out. We

:38:54.:39:00.

will end with historical precedence, the arts and Olympics have a long

:39:00.:39:05.

shared history, a long time ago, artists were up for medals

:39:05.:39:11.

alongside the athletes. The revival of the Olympics came down it a

:39:11.:39:15.

Frenchman. Art was just as important to his vision as sport.

:39:15.:39:19.

He wanted the event to unite the muscles and the mind.

:39:19.:39:25.

Beginning with the stock Millennium Dome games of 1912, art med --

:39:25.:39:32.

Stockholm games in 1912, art medals were given out in 12 catagories,

:39:32.:39:37.

sculpture, music, literature and art. They had to relate to sport in

:39:37.:39:42.

some way. Works have been submitted from all over the world. This group

:39:42.:39:50.

in plaster from Sweden has won a first prize. He himself won the

:39:50.:40:00.
:40:00.:40:04.

literature measure, with his Ode to Even athletes got in on the act,

:40:04.:40:08.

several wins medals for sports and art.

:40:08.:40:17.

Bartok, Ravel and Stravinsky sat on the music board, but were so

:40:17.:40:21.

unimpressed they didn't award a single medal. Few Olympic artists

:40:21.:40:26.

are remembered today. After 1948 art medals were dropped in favour

:40:26.:40:30.

of exhibitions and festivals. If art medals had survived, who would

:40:30.:40:37.

be on the podium this year? Bettany, is this an hissoral idea

:40:37.:40:44.

to be resurrected in further -- an historic idea to be r resurrected?

:40:44.:40:53.

It was Mark Wenlock who reinvented the Olympic Games, and had medals

:40:53.:40:57.

for embroidery. I think we should have medals for the unsung heros. I

:40:57.:41:04.

would like to see a medal for a group that have revived

:41:04.:41:09.

synchronised swimming in Worthing. Who would get your medal for

:41:09.:41:16.

cultural achievement in the Cultural Olympiad? Dr D, Rufus N

:41:16.:41:22.

Norris, a beautiful collaboration with David Albarn. The great and

:41:22.:41:26.

the good getting your medals? a man of the street. I don't agree

:41:26.:41:30.

they should be brought back. Because I think it is the Olympics,

:41:30.:41:34.

and it should be a focus on sports, I used to do sports when I was

:41:34.:41:38.

younger, I would love it see that continue. In the spirit of my crass

:41:38.:41:42.

question, who would win the medal for you. I wouldn't choose anyone,

:41:42.:41:46.

I have an issue with the question, my issue is, I often think awards

:41:46.:41:51.

are done by a small select group of people, and the majority of people

:41:51.:41:54.

don't get to vote, really, we would be choosing the great and the good.

:41:54.:41:59.

If you asked me, I want people who do cake-making, corb chet, and

:42:00.:42:09.

those kind of people. There was an excellent piece I

:42:09.:42:16.

didn't mention called Spinal Chords. I love this, I would give all sorts

:42:16.:42:22.

of people it. The gold medal should go to the cast of 2012 they are our

:42:22.:42:26.

enduring legacy I'm hoping Danny Boyle will be energetic and

:42:26.:42:30.

romantic and eccentric enough to win a medal as well. That is almost

:42:30.:42:36.

all from us, review show medals and Jim Will Fix It to Paul and Bettany,

:42:36.:42:40.

they will fight it out in the Green Room. Tell us what you think via

:42:40.:42:44.

Twitter, and check out the website. We are taking a break for the

:42:44.:42:48.

Olympics, but the review show will be back looking at the best of the

:42:48.:42:53.

Edinburgh Festival in August. We leave you with one of the fiech

:42:53.:42:59.

official songs composed for Rock the Games. It is Survival by Muse.

:42:59.:43:03.

# I'm gonna win # Yes I'm gonna win

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# I will make the fuse # I'll never lose

:43:10.:43:16.

# I choose to survive # Whatever it takes

:43:16.:43:20.

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