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Maureen Lipman and Paul Morley join Martha Kearney in the studio to discuss the film My Week with Marilyn.


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Tonight, celebrity and the media, from Marilyn Monroe to a Prime

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Minister, blackmailed into bizarre sex, live on TV.

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In a week when contemporary stars talked about the price of fame, the

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new film explores Marilyn Monroe's inner demons, and her conflict with

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celebrity. All people ever see is Marilyn Monroe.

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The public's appetite for scandal is laid bear in Charlie Brooker's

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parable of a Prime Minister's terrible dilemma. Do we secretly

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relish media intrusion. I will be executed.

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Plus, hidden treasures brought to light at the Ashmolean museum in

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Oxford. The long lost first novel of Jack

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Kerouac. "the sea stretching around the horizon, the rich clean sound

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of the bow spliting the water. Music from Beer Jacket.

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# The blows hard in your dead heart # Captain of the soul

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I'm joined tonight by the actress, Maureen Lipman, the journalist

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Sarfraz Manzoor, writer and critic, Paul Morley, and Sarah Churchwell,

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Professor of American literature at the university of East Anglia. Join

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in the discussions at home by sending in tweets, we read each one.

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All through this week we have heard celebrities and others expose the

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underhand tactics of the tabloids, but they feed a public appetite,

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which is hardly anything new. In the 1950s, Marilyn Monroe could

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barely walk down a street without being mobbed. A new film, My Week

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With Marilyn, aims to uncover more about the real woman behind the

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public figure. She's here, said the headlines,

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everyone now it meant the American film star with the famous shape and

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wiggley walk. Marilyn Monroe visited the UK only once, in 1956

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the world's most famous movie star, boarded a plane with her new

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husband, Arthur Miller. She had come here to make The

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Prince and the Showgirl, with the acclaimed actor and director,

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Lawrence Olivier, it was her first film as producer and star, and

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crucially, a chance to prove herself as a serious actress. But

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the production wasn't a happy time for Monroe, who was becoming

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increasingly addicted to prescription drugs and alcohol. She

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and Olivier clashed over everything, from her lateness on set to her

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obsession with method acting. With the marriage to Miller already

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crumbling, Monroe felt very vulnerable. Enter 23-year-old

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assistant director, Colin Clark, the old Eatonian son of art

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historian, Keneth Clarke, who was starting his first job in the

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business. My Week With Marilyn is based on his memoir of the week he

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spent with Hollywood's most memorable actress. She and Olivier

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were talking a dlifrpb language. She decided this wuing man, Colin

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Clark was someone to trust and befriend, eventhough they had aner

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rottically charged few days together, she was able to recapture

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her lost childhood with him. Given this is his first feature film,

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Curtis has managed to assemble an impressive cast, including Kenneth

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Branagh, Eddie Redmayne, Dame Judi Devon, and Michelle Williams.

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knew Michelle Williams was a great actress, but I didn't know what a

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great dancer and singer she was. It was great to surround her with a

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great team of people. At the heart of it was Michelle's brilliance. I

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love seeing her sing the songs from the tripbstripbs and other times in

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Marylin's life -- The Prince and the Showgirl, and other times in

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Marylin's life. Does My Week With Marilyn manage to give new insight

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into the legendary star, or is it just another tribute to a pop icon.

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# The way that I move # That thermometer proves

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# That I certainly can Sarah, you have written about

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Marilyn Monroe, you know her life very well, how well do you think

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that Michelle Williams manages so capture the essence of the woman

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and the star? It is a performance that is getting a lot of hype. I

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have to say I think it deserves it, it is an extraordinarily,

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technically remarkable performance. She gets not only Marylin's

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mannerisms, she really gets her voice very well, particularly. She

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also gets the tremulous that Marylin brought to her performance,

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she quivered, she was almost like a humming bird. I think the problem

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for anyone playing Marilyn Monroe, Marilyn Monroe is Marilyn Monroe

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for a reason, it is like trying to play Cary Grant, there are a

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handful of people who were transcendant, people use words like

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"all chem me" and "magic to talk about her, there is no word for the

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presence she has on the screen. Nobody can do that. However good

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the performance is, and Michelle Williams can't do that. It is not

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her fault, it can't be done. close do you think Michelle

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Williams got to the all can he me? You are being -- you are being

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asked to play an energy. It is in the middle of a pedestrain film, a

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film made up of a lot of acting, some acting you will like, you will

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like Branagh's Olivier, because he brings Olivier to us, you won't

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like Emma Watson, or the lady who plays Vivien Leigh, and within it

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is the performance of Marylin, for Michelle Williams it will put her

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on the Oscar list. Her performance is a photocopy of a photocopy of a

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rumour someone once said about Marilyn Monroe. If you are up on

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Marilyn Monroe it is disappointing, if not it is a film of good acting.

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The clash between Marilyn Monroe and Lawrence Olivier, who you have

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worked with in the past? I did, and Kenneth Branagh is fantastic. He

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gets the normality of the man, along with the, the fact is, that

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period of time, Olivier wanted to do what Monroe could do, and Monroe

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wanted to do what Olivier could do, she wanted to be a great actress,

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and he a movie star. He didn't know how to deal with her, she was just

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was on the screen, and he acted. I think possibly Michelle Williams

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does work from the outside in. And like Marilyn Monroe did, I think

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that Kenneth Branagh worked from the outside, like Olivier did,

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there is these wonderful moments when he says it's like teaching

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Urdu to a badger, and he goes completically, it is so familiar

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that, I gets it right. -- completely, it is so familiar, he

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gets it right. The world of these two huge egos, and then comes the

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character of Colin Clark, in a sense an outsider? He was the

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weaker part, Kenneth Branagh is brilliant. Michelle Williams, like

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you say, it reminded me of Will Smith playing muham med Ali, it is

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such an incendiary character. In the novel's so campy, making

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comments, he has interesting thoughts, but the guy who is Clark

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in the film is bland guy. Firstly, you don't understand why Marilyn

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Monroe would invest her faith in him, and secondly, this sexual

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thing, which is this erotically- charged relationship. In the book

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you realise he has an experience of gay sex in the diary. You think why

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don't you sleep with Marilyn Monroe if you have the chance. It raises

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two points, if we believe Colin Clark, it is based on two books he

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wrote, one published in 1995 and 2000, years after everybody

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involved was dead. My own sense is this is boardering on apocrophy, it

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is embellished. There are lots of diaries of Marylin, I have read

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hundreds of them. It is probably very embroidered. The second point,

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the film is very, very polite to both of the principals, even in

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Colin Clark's books, he has a bitchy side, he allows both of them

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were monstrous, which this film don't. It want them both to be

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really nice people. It has a Sunday night television quality, the way

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it is shot, everything is order, the darkness about Monroe doesn't

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come through. And Olivier. Colin Clark is played almost like, it is

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a very gentle, very, it is vaguely charming. It is a biopicture, it

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isn't the whole of Marilyn Monroe's life, it takes a week. And we learn

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more about her from that week? of course, he, the Eddie Redmayne,

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and he's very good a cross between Mia Farrow and Andy Murray, he just

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looms and is adorable. The film is interesting, and you mentioned this

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with Olivier and Monroe, it does capture a moment where celebrity

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changes and actors are passed on and stars are becoming, the film is

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a passing of the torch. Olivier knows his time is gone, and the

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acting he does is on the way out and the acting Monroe does is there.

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He goes to the Royal Court and sucks out all the new Osbourne

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stuff. It is It is a turning point for Olivier it is the stage and a

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new wave of theatre. Ultimately the take on both of them is fairly

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superficial, the more you know about Marylin, there is more

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interesting things, even in the filming of The Prince and the

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Showgirl, Olivier said terrible things about her from the beginning,

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before all of that, he was rude to her before. Many of the things in

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the film could have been told 40 years a there doesn't seem to be

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any use of our hindsight. It is not a new take. It was about the part

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of in his downfall. It was very important to Colin Clark, it wasn't

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important historically, and I don't suppose Marilyn remembered it at

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all, it was a couple of weeks. claims she called him just before

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she died. Using this as a small kernal, it was tamely written. It

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could have been an episode of Downton Abbey. Same casting. Green

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light casting. Marilyn Monroe did pay the ultimate price for fame

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with her famous and untimely death from an overdose. To what limits

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will people go to cling to fame and power. That is a question supposed

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by Charlie Brooker's new drama, The National Anthem. Script writer,

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comlumist and author Charlie Brooker, is renowned for his

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commentry on contemporary culture. With 400,000 followers on Twitter,

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it is no surprise the social media revolution has inspired his latest

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TV series. Black Mirror is his take on the Twilight Zone, the American

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1950s sci-fi drama, which reflected fears about nuclear war and the

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McCarthy era. So, what are the contemporary British issues which

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Brooker wants to explore? I was thinking about the relationship

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between rolling news and things like Twitter, you get these waves

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of opinion and information, rolling in at you. It is sort of too much

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to take. Often many days you wake up and think the news has gone

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surreal today. It feels like nobody is really in charge. The first of

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three films, The National Anthem covers the hours following the

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kidnap of a member of the Royal Family. Please don't kill me.

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Prime Minister is responsible for securing the Princess's release,

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but the hostage-takers make a rather unorthodox randsom demand.

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The PM, Michael Callow, played by Rory Kinnear, is forced to question

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how far he will go for Queen and country. Saving the Princess's

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bacon would prove his loyalty, but also cause widespread revulsion.

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The sensational news story spreads rapidly around the country. Forcing

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traditional media to defy Number Ten's attempts to keep it secret.

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Technology is a thread running through all three Black Mirror

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films, and Brooker isam belief lent about our current obsession with it.

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The first thing I do when I wake up is grab a smart phone and start

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checking Twitter and e-mail and things like that. Everyone can feel

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their brain is being rewired in some way. I'm for technology, I'm

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worried about what it is doing to us, it is a destrubgt jif and de--

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destrubgtive relationship. It is described as a twisted parable for

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the Twitter age. What does it say about how the media shape the news

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and how we consume it. What now, what is the play book. This is

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virgin territory, there is no play book.

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This could be done slapstick and purely for laughs, it isn't like

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that? It is fantastic. I thought it was an amazing piece of sat tie, it

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is black and bleak, and it is very -- satire, it is black and bleak

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and very worrying, it is impecably cast, every actor in it is

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completely right and good. The timing is so good, the director has

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done such a good job. It looks amazing, it is quite shocking. It

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is what satire should be. There is a fantastic twist at the end. Not a

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twist, it is not fantastic, it is good. Rory Kinnear, is such a

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talented actor. He plays the Prime Minister, his wife is well cast. It

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is very funny. You laugh in spite of yourself. Were you as

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captivated? No, I feel like you are decribing a different film from the

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one I saw. I agree it is very dark, I didn't think it was remotely

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funny. I didn't laugh for a second. You didn't laugh at the first sight

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of the person? No I didn't. The thing for me is a satire, it is

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called a twisted parable, it needs to be funny, it needs to be like

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The Thick Of It, it begs comparisons there, or needed to be

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more twisted. The quote there where he says it is virgin territory and

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there is no play book, I thought I have seen this a lot of times

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before. They have pushed it, I don't want to ruin it. But they

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have just gone further than most people are willing to go. That is

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not actually to me making it fun or more meaningful. The twist at the

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end, you say, it is a twist at the beginning, you are avoiding the

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twist at the beginning because you are not going there at all, you are

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holding off that to deliver that to the fresh audience. It is a very

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difficult one. It is not something you want to discuss but you don't

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want to spoil the splot. It is as if David Cameron is having to have

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sex with a pig to save Kate Middleton what ultimately turns out

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to be bleepbleep. It is the blackmail threat. It is a plot to

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engage with this kind of thing. Possibly the programme that will

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save Channel 4 next year on the 30th anniversary, at last some

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intelligent life, a response to where we are, and what is happening

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to it, from someone aware of it. Charlie Brooker is very good on

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this world. Even he can make one of the funnyiest lives in it, "it is

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trending on Twitter", or "it is someone she knows from Downton

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Abbey", it is something happening lately. It is reality itself

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changing, and an attempt to respond to that. How the traditional media

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has been caught out by the Internet, the news spreads. You were mention

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about The Thick Of It, I was thinking about Day Today and Brass

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End, news was God, they are talking about the mainstream media held to

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randsom by Twitter and all that, now everyone is chasing after

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things. In that sense, the other thing interesting about it, I think

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it is basically a one-line programme run to an hour. But it is

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a comedy that has been directed as a political thriller, in that sense,

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because the acting is so overthe top, and hamy, if you want to put

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it -- over the top, and hamy and over the top. What that girl does

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at the beginning is one of the hardest things an act stress can do.

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Unlike a lot of political satires like this, where the Prime Minister

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would be a two-dimensional stoodge, we are sympathetic for him and the

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might. At the end, the resolution with his wife is very unpredictable.

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The whole thing is. It is beautifully acted. There are people

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doing things in this that they are not doing in the Shakespeare.

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view it as a drama. But that to me is what kills the joke. On the

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contrary, they play it straight, that is funny. It would be if the

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lines were funny. The problem is. It is trending on twiter, that is a

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brilliant thing. I think that Charlie Brooker is an incredible

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writer and I was looking forward to it. What struck me about it n the

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week of the Leveson Inquiry, was the public attitude towards what

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was happening and how gripped they were. And how complicit they are in

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this, which is something we have seen. 140 characters changes a

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Government. But also I think part of that is this is the relationship

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that Black Mirror deals with in way that My Week With Marilyn doesn't.

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It is a two-way relationship, the public can respond to things, and

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have a view, and what is interesting in fact in Black Mirror

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is the Prime Minister is constantly being told about on-line polling.

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His decision making is having to be done based on on-line polling. That

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is a more reactive world than my week. Definitely tackling a world

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where the control seems to be in the hands of ordinary people, but

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in fact they have been given the illusion of control but it is all

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taken away from them. What is interesting with Black Mirror, is

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although the narrative is that Twitter, it is trending on there,

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the blackmailer wants the event to be broadcast on TV. There is still

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a sense that actually TV does matter. That tension between the

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mainstream media and the Internet world hasn't been resolved. It is

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that tension between media and celebrity and what people will do

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for power. That goes back to what we were saying about Marylin too?

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One of the things, one of the strix that film misses about celebrity

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and Marylin's relationship to celebrity, is fame was the great

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achievement of her life and the proof of her value. When we talk

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about the way the crowd can control these sorts of discourses, it is an

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illusion. In part, because so many are chasing fame themselves. Talk

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to young people today and so many say their goal is to be famous.

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irony of all irony is the Leveson Inquiry is said to be hijacked by

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celebrity. The father of one of the 7/7 victims won't appear in front

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of it because he fears that. Charlie Brooker says in his

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interview, to respond to a piece of satire or a response to it when the

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thing itself is becoming more and more surreal. I was watching the

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DVD in Black Mirror and behind was the Iveson, the two things were

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merging together, to give a hint. Never has Hugh Grant been more Hugh

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Grant-like. And Hugh Grant for Prime Minister, was on Twitter.

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has already played that. To have something that is engaging with

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dislocation and dissolving of reality is very refreshing. It is

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very difficult to do. And everyone is very scared of it. It seems to

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be spoiling the party. You will all get a chance to see Black Mirror if

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you want on Channel 4 on the 4th of December. Fame beyond the grave was

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guaranteed in Ancient Egypt by the most elaborate funeral arrangements

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in his treatment most of it is on show on the first ever public

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museum, the Ashmolean in Oxford. It was rebuilt some years ago, a

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series of Egyptian galleries will be open to the public, showcaseing

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one of the finest archaeological exhibitions in the world.

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Amassed over 300 years, the Ashmolean collection of Nile Valley

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art facts reflects the long standing British passion for

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Egyptling to. Now six new galleries showcase mummies, coffins, shrines

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and statues, many of which have been hidden away in store for years.

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The result is a journey tracing 3,000 years of culture in Egypt and

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Nubia, now Sudan. Featuring some remarkable pieces. This is the

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shrine of the king who ruled in the 25th dinnasty. Excavated in Sudan.

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It was sound by the first professor of Egyptology, who packed the

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shrine away into 150 creates and transported it back to dk cats and

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transported it back to -- crates and transported it back to the

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university. This is one of the most iconic piece, the Princess fresco,

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excavated in the 1890, and an intimate portrayal of the Royal

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Family, lounging at a palace, including two of the six daughters

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of the king and his Queen Nefertiti. Behind me were r two huge statues

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of the fertility God, they were excavated in 183, we have

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reconstructed them at their original heat.

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Display cases protect items carefully restored. Modern medical

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technology has revealed more about some objects in the collection than

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had ever been known before. Complimenting the ancient exhibits

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is a new installation, by the artist, Angela Palmer, based on CT

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:23:55.:23:55.

scans of a two-year-old boy mummy, died at the end of the Egyptian

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century. There is contemporary art to allow the public to peer below

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the bandages. The new galleries show case one of the greatest arbg

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facts of the period outside of Egypt. How does it help our

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understanding of this ancient civilisation.

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You enter these new galleries through what was once the shop,

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into what was probably the most unusual part of the exhibition, the

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predynastic work, we are not familiar with that? I loved this

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exhibition. When you see Egypt you see the blockbuster, the pyramids.

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They were doing the narrative story, the beginning, the connections

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between 3,000 years of history, the thing I most loved about it was it

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was telling you the human story, underneath the civilisation. You

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keep talking about things like, Egyptian civilisation, pyramids,

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kings. What was really important the small items about the human

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stories, the clump of human hair, things that people were buried with.

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Suddenly you are not talking about civilisations, or thousands of

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people, it is individuals. I found it incredibly powerful. The things

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they buried with was their every day life, everything they would

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need for the next life. wonderful boat carved with 14

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different characters doing different things to take them to

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the rest world. Jewellery, various things, it was just gorgeous. A

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lovely exhibition. There was a particular piece of jul jewellery I

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love, a naked woman holding a little bowl. With a ceramic spoon.

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A spoon for make-up. Exploring back to the predynastic period, pieces

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of art that looks abstract. Completely contemporary. I find

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when you go to these exhibitions, as much as you are looking into the

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past you are looking into the future. An extraordinary sense of

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how they were making works of art, how they were decribing their

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feelings, how they were preerpbg for death. Is so un-- preparing for

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death. It is so modern. It is an extraordinary amount of information

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to fill in what are inextra ordinary gaps in knowledge. Because

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the gallery is filled with intimate moments and takes you through the 6

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though words in such an intelligent way, you don't feel overwhelmed and

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you piece together the information. Little laund royalists and sick

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:26:45.:26:48.

notes written on -- loyal sick notes written on -- little sick

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notes written on there. And the idea of knowledge, you could take

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three or four hours to digest T the first room is a bit deceptive, it

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is empty, and there are two big statues, it gets more and more

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intense, and the displays get more filled. You could spend hours. It

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is wonderful, one of the things I loved about it, we haven't

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mentioned it. They have done architectural renovations to create

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parallel spaces, so you can see, as Egypt is evolving, Nubia, or Sudan

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is evolving simultaneously. They used space to move through time so,

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you can look across the room and see this is the Sudan at the same

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time, this is what they are doing. You start to get the sense of the

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cultural interchange between them. There is a wonderful piece that

:27:38.:27:48.
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they had, I loved this, it was a script, they haven't desieveered it

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yet, they said there -- desieveered this yet, they said there were

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scolars working on it as you saw T The fact you see how the -- the

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fact you saw how the Egyptians influenced the rest of the world. A

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roam boy mummified. And a Roman woman painted on her, she is

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mummified but this Roman thing on it. She has the criss-cross

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bandaging with the goldam mulets. The fact that it was in the Roman

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empire and it carried on. For the first time in that exhibition I got

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that sense there is Egypt in us now in England. A lot of that is

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traditional museum curating they have done, I liked they had the

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guts not to reinvent everything. Not modernising it, they don't do

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tweets! There are modern touches, the interactive computer to see the

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CSI, CD video of the thing. Angela Palmer, it plaiks you feel at the

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end of the exhibition how shocking and sudden and beautiful things

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were at that time. The colours are still preserved, buetloofl

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terracottas and blues. -- beautiful terracottas and blues. How did they

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deal with the idea these are human remains? They do it really well and

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intelligently. One of the women the mummies they have, had an

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inscription that was meant to be read out as a memorial. They are

:29:31.:29:34.

encouraging visitors to read it out. That is the ritual she wanted

:29:34.:29:38.

people to be participating in. She wanted to be preserved, they have

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put her in state-of-the-art preservation, she is lasting longer

:29:42.:29:46.

than she expected. The fact they are portraits, you can see the

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faces of the woman and man, not just the bound things. I thought

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they were really people, for the first time I thought. It is a

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constant theme that has gone on ever since that death is the team

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of life. You recreate your life in the next life. Something in Egypt

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that they really went to town in terms of preparing for the

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afterlife. In terms of just the amount of servants and these mini-

:30:15.:30:19.

bakeries. They create the immortality, we are still looking

:30:19.:30:25.

at those things. They were right. The immortality exists. It is like

:30:25.:30:33.

Marilyn Monroe. Was she a mummy. She had one but wasn't very nice to

:30:33.:30:39.

her. Like Marylin, Kerouac is another of those single words that

:30:39.:30:43.

carry a whole host of associations, Jack Kerouac also died in the 1960s,

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his profile, too, like Marilyn Monroe, has never faded. Next year

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we will see a film version of his best known work, On The Road. And

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this week, Kerouac's long lost first novel is finally published.

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Jack Kerouac's 1957 novel, On The Road, has axe fired cult stages as

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its pages incaps late the literary movement that Kerouac dubbed The

:31:15.:31:21.

Beatles. People ask why I -- Beat Generation. People ask why I

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wrote these books, I wrote what was true and what I saw. Before he took

:31:25.:31:31.

to the road he took to the sea. In 1942 having dropped out of Colombia

:31:31.:31:35.

University, Kerouac completed his first tour in the United States

:31:35.:31:38.

Merchant Marine, the trip fed his love for adventure, and inspired

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him to keep a journal, detailing the daily routine of life at sea,

:31:43.:31:48.

and the characters of his fellow shipmates. These journal entries

:31:48.:31:52.

forpbl the basis of his first novel. The Sea Is My Brother hasn't been

:31:52.:31:58.

published in its entirety until now. The only reference to his existence

:31:58.:32:02.

lay in Kerouac's private letters. It centres on two men, both of whom

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share characteristics with the author. One leaves his teaching job

:32:08.:32:11.

at Colombia, following his new friend, the ruthless drifter,

:32:12.:32:15.

Wesley Martin, a man who Kerouac said loved the sea with a strange

:32:15.:32:20.

lonely love. The sea is his brother, and sentences he goes down. He felt

:32:20.:32:24.

the thrill of anticipation as he sat there dosing, in a few days,

:32:24.:32:30.

back on a ship, the sleeply thrum of the propeller chuorning in the

:32:30.:32:34.

water below, the soothing rise and fall of the ship. The sea

:32:34.:32:39.

stretching around the horizon, the rich, clean sound of the bow

:32:39.:32:43.

spliting water, and the long hours lounging on deck in the sun,

:32:43.:32:47.

watching the deck of clouds, ravished by the full, moist breeze.

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A simple life, a serious life. To make the sea your own, to watch

:32:51.:32:55.

over it, to brood your very soul into it, to accept it and love it

:32:55.:33:01.

as though only it mattered and existed. The book also contains an

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assortment of other early writings from the same period, as well as

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letters, sketches and photographs. Is The Sea Is My Brother a valuable

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record of an author's early efforts, are was is juvenile book,

:33:15.:33:19.

previously unpublished, for a good reason.

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Did they book deserve to be unearthed? Absolutely, anything

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that gives a clue of how a great mind was forming. Jack Kerouac has

:33:29.:33:33.

become more a personality, a great American personality. Anything that

:33:33.:33:37.

can remind us he was a great American writer as well is very

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important. As a brand he gets underestimated as an American

:33:40.:33:45.

writer. I love him as an American writer, I love seeing this happen,

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in the 1940s you see a young boy, influenced and wants to be a great

:33:51.:33:55.

novelist by all the great writers, but also at the same time, at that

:33:55.:34:00.

moment by Charley Parker and Leicester Young, it is merging

:34:00.:34:04.

together and you are seeing it ferment and bubble. The sentences

:34:04.:34:09.

gets longer during the 1920s and 1930, you see a forming of the mind

:34:09.:34:13.

that remind you that above all EMS he was a great American writer not

:34:13.:34:18.

just a -- else he was a great American writer. What did you

:34:18.:34:22.

think? It is embryonic. The problem is, he wants to be a great writer,

:34:22.:34:26.

but like so many aspiring young writers, he has absolutely nothing

:34:26.:34:31.

to say. Here there is nothing to say here. It is derivative at best.

:34:31.:34:36.

It is a sketch, really. It wasn't published for ran. Kerouac himself,

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before he died, referred to this novel as a croc. I think we can

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trust the man's assessment here. At best at flimcy. There is some

:34:49.:34:55.

really bad writing. He does that thing that bad writing 101, won't

:34:55.:34:59.

use the word "said", you runs through other words, he greeted

:34:59.:35:09.
:35:09.:35:14.

hello, she yawned and then says something, she mild hello. 'S only

:35:14.:35:19.

20 years ol. It is not complete this book, it -- he's only 20 years

:35:19.:35:25.

old. It is not complete this week, it is like an early demo for a band.

:35:25.:35:29.

I never got into Kerouac, I preferred Steinbeck in terms of

:35:29.:35:33.

road movies and novels. I want to say that what is interesting about

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it is just the fact that he does have this tension between being an

:35:38.:35:43.

intellectual and the physical world. He has that and follows it through.

:35:43.:35:50.

Everheart is an academic builty about being an axe dij. In the

:35:50.:35:55.

sense of -- academic, in a sense of seeing that grow is interesting.

:35:55.:36:05.
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had to staple this book to me I found isth almost unreadable. It is

:36:07.:36:11.

so hard to read, so endlessly macho. And cold beers, and people who

:36:11.:36:16.

punch each other in the stomach as a form of greeting, and kick each

:36:16.:36:22.

other up the pants. So American, and misolg sojist.

:36:22.:36:27.

I thought the ambition, the care, the idealism, the belief in

:36:27.:36:30.

something, a lot of things that have gone missing, I saw all of

:36:30.:36:33.

that. Especially with the novel in itself ending with the ship sailing

:36:33.:36:38.

off and it ends there. When the ship is sailing off and what is

:36:38.:36:42.

happening is it is taking high culture with it, he's handing that

:36:42.:36:48.

over to popular culture. That is giving it a lot of credit. I only

:36:48.:36:54.

went to see say for a year. You are delivering a lot of intelligence.

:36:54.:36:58.

It did change popular culture, you see what happened in that period

:36:58.:37:03.

end earth Dylan and The Beatles. It makes it an interesting book. It

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makes it a book worth publishing. The journal is interesting, the

:37:06.:37:11.

Journal of the Egoist, he's a having that conversation about what

:37:11.:37:15.

kind of write he wants to be. He wants to go an eccentric artist and

:37:15.:37:20.

he wants to do those things. There is something endearing about T

:37:20.:37:23.

is an important manifesto. I don't agree, any creative writing teacher

:37:23.:37:28.

has read this over and again. The fact he went on 15 years later on a

:37:28.:37:33.

drug drag to write one good book. The rest of what he wrote is not

:37:33.:37:36.

good. It does feel like when you are a teenager at school and you

:37:36.:37:42.

want to use the word "picturesque" as often as you can. There is

:37:42.:37:45.

poignancy there. We know what happens, he does and doesn't become.

:37:45.:37:50.

Why do you think the Kerouac phenomenon has survived y is it

:37:50.:37:54.

people want to publish this, and not just the first novel but his

:37:55.:38:02.

letters, his friends, his poetry. His awful peoples. He became a

:38:02.:38:09.

brand -- The poems? He became a brand name, who became famous,

:38:09.:38:15.

beginning as a 20-year-old talking about famous authors. People who

:38:15.:38:19.

like Kerouac don't read the novels but like the idea of him. I thought

:38:19.:38:22.

it strange to condemn the aspiration happening in a 20-year-

:38:22.:38:26.

old, willing it to lap, and then was part of such an important

:38:26.:38:31.

movement to say it should be obliterated. I said it is not good,

:38:31.:38:39.

I didn't say obliterated. I just said it is not good. But in

:38:39.:38:44.

what sense? Part of the guy that became the brand name that creates

:38:44.:38:49.

curiosity, this is who he was as a 20-year-old. You are never going to

:38:49.:38:55.

agree on that one. If a stranger accosts you in the street with a

:38:55.:39:02.

copy of a book, Maureen would be upset if it was Kerouac. It was The

:39:02.:39:07.

Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie, not a literary mugging but an act of

:39:07.:39:11.

generosity, something similar is happening this year, this is how to

:39:11.:39:14.

prepare yourself. This March saw the launch of World Book Night, a

:39:14.:39:17.

new event across Britain and Ireland, which aimed to celebrate

:39:17.:39:21.

the pleasure of reading. A million special low-printed books were

:39:21.:39:28.

given out to members of the public, to pass on to friends, family, or

:39:28.:39:31.

complete strangers. World Book Night was the brain child of

:39:31.:39:37.

publisher Jamie Bing. One million books, a hell of a lot of books,

:39:37.:39:47.
:39:47.:39:55.

It was the biggest book give away ever, people responded

:39:55.:39:59.

enthusiastically? Reading is the most important thing in my life. I

:39:59.:40:02.

can't think of anything more important to me. It has shaped my

:40:02.:40:07.

outlook on life, it has opened up a lot of safes, tradition, cultures.

:40:07.:40:12.

Most of what I know is through reading. The World Book Night

:40:12.:40:16.

committee recently announced the list of 25 books to be given away

:40:16.:40:24.

at next year's event, which will take part on Shakespeare's birthday,

:40:25.:40:31.

April 23rd. Classics like Pride and Prejudice, to Steven King's

:40:31.:40:36.

psychological misery, and contemporary best sellers, like The

:40:36.:40:39.

Road. You have until the end of December

:40:39.:40:44.

to register. Visit the World Book Night for more details.

:40:44.:40:47.

1234 That website address, along with more details of everything we

:40:47.:40:51.

have discussed tonight are on the web side. Next week Kirsty will be

:40:51.:40:58.

here with a book special, featuring new titles from Alice Marilyn

:40:58.:41:05.

Monroe, and others. Stay tuned for later for Jools and his guests.

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Thanks to my guests, Maureen, Paul, Sarah and Salfraz. We leave you

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tonight with the television debut of Glasgow-based music, Peter Kelly,

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who goes by the name of Beer Jacket. From his new album, the White

:41:25.:41:29.

Feather Trail, this is him. # Marry young

:41:29.:41:33.

# For the need to be alone fl # Sort of swung

:41:33.:41:36.

# And fear of ringing telephones # Into a wall

:41:36.:41:41.

# Who has learned to crow # The winner is the last of all

:41:41.:41:49.

# Carried like soap # To the one welcoming cave

:41:50.:41:53.

# Words stick in your throat # To a fold

:41:53.:42:02.

# The winter is a first of all # Tired like courage

:42:02.:42:08.

# We're losing to an undead past # Tired is courage

:42:08.:42:18.
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# By the act # Choosing the booze don't path

:42:23.:42:26.

# No need for glory # Put to song

:42:26.:42:30.

# But undone # Brownen like glass

:42:30.:42:34.

# Into the sun # Into the cold

:42:34.:42:39.

# And shadow meeting with the world # The window is the mover's pole

:42:39.:42:42.

# Tired like courage # To the mast

:42:42.:42:49.

# But losing to an undead past Tide discouraged

:42:50.:42:55.

# By the act -- tired discouraged # By the act

:42:55.:42:58.

# Choosing the booze # Don't act

:42:58.:43:03.

# Wake your heart up # It's dying to trying

:43:03.:43:13.
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# Hey wake your heart up # It's dying to start trying

:43:19.:43:24.

# Tired like courage # To the mast

:43:24.:43:30.

# But losing to an undead past # Tired discouraged

:43:30.:43:37.

# By the act # Choosing the bruise don't pass

:43:37.:43:45.

# Hey wake your heart up # It's dying to start to try

:43:46.:43:51.