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The review show is back for 2012, in the line up tonight. George

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Clooney's Oscar-nominated performance in The Descendants.

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Don't ever do that to me again. new exhibition from one of

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Britain's greatest living artists, David Hockney. Legendary songwriter,

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Leonard Cohen's first album in eight years.

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CIA agent, Claire Danes, searching for the truth about marine, Damian

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Lewis, in Homeland on Channel 4. Sergeant Brody is due home tomorrow

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morning, that gives us just under 22 hours. In our cultured crew,

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David Morrissey has starred in everything from TV's State of Play,

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to Macbeth at Liverpool's Everyman Theatre. Music critic, Paul Morley,

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who cut his teeth on MNE, and whose critical factors get Sharpe, and

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Natalie Haynes, whose most recent book is An Ancient Guide To Modern

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Live. And Maureen Lipman, one of Britain's best known and respected

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actresses. Welcome to the first Review show of the year. After a

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short break of the festive period we are back with a bang to give you

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the cream of culture over the next few months. We will have new talent,

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Jake Bud will be live in the studio. We have David, Natalie, Paul and

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Maureen to give their views. We want to hear from you too.

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Get in touch. First up tonight, a new film from

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one of Hollywood's most successful, not to mention photogenic actors.

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The Descendants has won a trio of Golden Globes, one for the movie,

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the director and Clooney took Best Actor. It was nominated for five

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Oscar, including one for Clooney who plays the distant father of two

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girls. George Clooney plays Matt King, who

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lives in the seeming paradise of Hawaii. He is the distant father of

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two precocious daughters, whose mother is in a coma after a water

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skiing accident. He discovers his wife has hidden secrets, which

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comKates things. Mom is cheating on you. That is what we have thought

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about. When I was home at Christmas I caught her with a guy. It made me

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sick. I went back to school thinking that was it, that I was

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done with her, I was going to call and tell you everything. Then the

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accident happened, and... I was waiting until she woke up, I guess.

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You didn't even suspect, right? This is director Alexander Payne's

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first film for seven years, following the critically acclaimed

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About Schmidt with Jack Nicholson Who is he? In common with those

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earlier films, The Descendants also has a focus on men navigating

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through an apparently skewed world, where the pathos of personal crisis

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is approached with a self-dep Kateing sense of humour. This is

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Sid. What's up bro. Is this a notable departure from what we

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expect from Clooney. How does he inhabit the male character of an

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Alexander Payne movie? Natalie, Alexander Payne decided he

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wasn't right for Sideways to be the vain actor, did he choose the right

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guy? If anybody picked the wrong guy it was George Clooney, Sideways

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was a great script, Giamatti talks about a wine, and how the grape is

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difficult to grow and precious and he really means him, sub-sex, sub-

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text. In it, it is when someone writes anything they are told show

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don't tell, this is what happens when you disregard that advice.

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People walk into the scenes and go, I'm angry and sorry, it is

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complicated and confusing, somebody else goes in and says I'm clever

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and I talk about chess club. Is there anything to dramatise about

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Payne, everybody tells what you they are thinking, it is on-the-

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nose dialogue all the time. Boring? I think Clooney is brilliant in it.

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He goes from dramatic to comedic in the blink of an eye. The film

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traedz a fine line tonally, my disappointment is the way they

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treat the wife, she's a bad wife and mother, and a fool because

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she's married to George Clooney and has an fair with a bloke who is an

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idiot. The film really does tell you that this family are better off

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without her. That is strange and disappointment for me. I enjoyed

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the film more than you did. That is a real shame. You want him to have

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a little bit more about him than that. It means he has no journey,

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we start with everyone going he's a distant father. He's a nice dad

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from the start it's loving, caring and present. We're never given to

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believe's not better off without her. The wife, we have no backstory

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from her point of view. Clooney, the physical tee, I have never seen

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him change so extraordinarily as he did. He has done everything, he's

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been in espresso ads anden up in the air and the Ides of March,

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never a cluts? He shouldn't have done it, he's wonderful, I agree

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with you both. He pulls it off, it's a performance. The funny run

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with the flip-flops and the Hawaiian shirts. Can somebody

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explain to me, one Golden Globe, three, one Oscar nomination, five?

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It is on th knows dialogue? -- noise dialogue? It is Clooney-world,

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it is going with the theme park.'S A smart guy? Clooney is fantastic,

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without Clooney this film would be pretty much nothing. It is like a

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pilot for a fairly average Hawaiian soap. We have the backstory as well,

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he's actually lawyer and he is going to orchestrate a land deal

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with his family, that story is going through. It never recovers

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from the original narration that Clooney gives, it is writ nonway he

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as a character does speak, you are being warned this is not a good

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film, because Clooney is speaking something he wouldn't speak. It is

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the tone of it, without him I think the film would fall apart. The film

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is nothing without Clooney. He is an actor you feel really safe with,

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you feel like he's going to look after you. There are other good

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performances. His daughter is wonderful. This clip is Clooney

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getting to know his daughters, he has come back home, clearly, he's

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having to make awe new relationship with them. -- a new relationship

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with them? Get out of my underwear, you freak. Back inside, put on a

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swimsuit. Why? Now. Real good job you're doing. That is part of why I

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brought you here, you have to help me with her, I don't know what to

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do with her. Maybe if you spent more time with her, she wouldn't

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act like a complete jazz. The older girl calibrates the relationship

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with her father really well. They are all extremely all lented, they

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all do a good job. They are acting their socks off. Everything about

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the film is unoriginal. Chinatown did the land beauty better, and

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American Beauty did the dysfuntional parents better. I wish

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he hadn't set it up, the director is proud of it that Hawaii is not

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necessarily a paradise, it is pedestrain, but's overproud of it.

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He makes the point, and after a while you think you have made the

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point, what is the next point. is so pedantic, there is three

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curtains, you know he will open the first, the second and then the

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third curtain, whether you want him to or not. What about Payne, you

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were talking about we don't know the woman, she's obviously a bad

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woman. In all his films he's only interested in the male characters?

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It feels like his divorce didn't go very W all the way through it is

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like Alexander Payne, I don't know what happened. Maybe that is why it

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fails, at the centre is a woman in a coma, maybe we never know about

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her. The film starts with her speeding across the ocean, and

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she's smiling. Then George is surrounded by all the documents,

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working out what to do with the millions and wearing Noel Edmund's

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shirts, he's the man having all the problems. What is interesting is

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his cousins, he has lots of cousins in the movie, they are dull. Beau

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Bridges is in there a couple going for Oscars but it didn't work. It

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starts to fail, even the cameos don't work. Clooney though! Clooney,

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Clooney, Clooney. The Descendants is in cinemas now. With the recent

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death of Lucian Freud, David Hockney has been elevated to

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Britain's greatest artist, like Freud before him, he has been

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awarded the order of merit, the highest award in the British system.

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A year-long event of cultural events, an eggs Biggs hopes with

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landscapes from Hockney, soon to be more than 75. Does it do more than

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drazle. When David Hockney grat waded from the School of Art, with

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his shock of blonde hair and glasses, he burst on to the art

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scene with a splash. Born two years before the outbreak of World War II,

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it was not surprising that the openly gay and opinionated Hockney

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was attracted across the pond to California. He went on to procues

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some of his most iconic work, including a series of pool

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paintings, Splash. I returned home to find inspiration

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in the Yorkshire landscape, which has led to A Bigger Picture at the

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Royal Academy. It is a bold series of landscapes, made on an almost

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daily basis, by this seemingly tireless 74-year-old. Hockney has

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only become a landscape painter since the late 1990, in 2002 he

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began painting in water colours and devoted himself to landscape. He

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was painting the east Yorkshire landscape, which he had known in

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his teens. This was a new development for him. There is a

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whole body of work here which hasn't been seen before. His age

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appears to be no deterrent for productivity, nor does it seem to

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have dulled his inquisitiveness for modern technology. Technology was

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not at the front of his mind when he started work on the show. He was

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totally absorbed by painting directly from nature. Like a 19th

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century wood. He has a habit of contradicting himself and getting

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excited by new things. He's always interested in any form of image

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making. When the I pad was announced, he knew before it

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arrived f it worked in the same way as the iPhone it would give him a

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much bigger canvas. The room we're sitting in, 51 pictures are created

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on the iPad, and a metre-and-a-half high each. Hockney joins tobgts

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smaller canvasses to make larger images, and a dance piece,

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choreographed by Wayne Sleep, adorns one wall. While citrus

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landscapes beckon from the other side of the gallery. With ticket

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sales outstripping the Van Gogh show, has Hockney's move from the

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sun-kissed pools of California, to the wilds of Yorkshire, been a

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welcome home coming. In the Royal Academy he has filled it, just as

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well he was so prolific, he was painting a canvas a day at one

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point. 150, were you overwhelmed? It moves you to tears, like Clooney,

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David Hockney is worth more than a banker. It is just equisite. Suns

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catch a glimpse of some of the colours it moves you to tears. It

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is so glamorous, exciting, it is tremendous in way what he's doing

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is moving forward at his age. The vigour of someone who is, at that

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age, that he can do this kind of thing, that is about an adventure.

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He's discovering his past, but doing it unsentimentally, there is

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no nostalgia, regret or remorse about what he's been through,'s

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excited about where he's been and how exciting it is now he does to

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Yorkshire what Monet does to France. We are viewing art history and

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history all at once. I have to say that any critic that is

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condescending and superior to this exhibition, should hand in their

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critic card and their Tesco points! He said he didn't think he could go

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home to east Yorkshire because there wasn't enough light, he

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rediscovered it when he started going back to see his mother. This

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is ten years where he has rooted himself back in his land? We're not

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used to this kind of coverage in east Yorkshire. I mean, he's done

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for more the Yorkshire tourist board than anybody. In Bridlington?

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That is where we didn't want to go for our holidays. He has brought LA

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sunshine to Yorkshire. That is a very true thing. He went to escape

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the grey of Bradford, and you look at the Bolton junction, which he

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painted in 1956, it is just heaven. It is grey, and fabulous, the one

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you would want on your wall. Goes to California, paints all the white

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bums and all those men diving into pools, it is fabulous. He brought

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the colour back with him, and made the whole of east Yorkshire

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psycadelic. And rouse. Very beautiful -- And glamorous.

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beautiful, he makes you stand in the picture and look at everything

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and see it afresh. There have been mainly fantastic reviews, some

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notable exceptions, "reflecting landscapes" we expect fromamures.

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You are a painter as well, you appreciate it from another

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perspective, you are a Sunday afternoon painter, would that be

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fair? I have President Bush ones my iPad, it is completely addictive, I

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can see how a really good painter would have the best time in the

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world. He has always embraced technology, when he did the

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examination of Vemeer, and the camera work he did, he's constantly

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changing, although it is harking back to the past, and the way he

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approaches some of the old masters as well, he's constantly moving

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forward? Yes, and also, it is kind of impossible to walk out without

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realising he can do all of it, he is the master of all of it. So

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early on you see the photocollages, and you think they are impressive,

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then you walk into the oil painting rooms, and people are wondering

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around with smiles on their faces because the colour is so exuberant

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and makes your heart sing. Then there are charcoal drawings, they

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are so beautiful, I had a Thomas Crown moment when I thought I

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wonder what I would have to do to nick one of these. Then the iPad,

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one after another, after another, everything he has touched he can do.

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Water colours, for goodness sake. We were referring to impressionism,

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Contable, Turner, and the sermon on the month, explicitly he tries lots

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of different styles? That was the least successful room for me. I

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thought it was grey, it was practising with that, going, taking

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the painting and using it in many different ways. But for me it was

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just full of positiveity, the whole exhibition. It is like him finding

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his way back home. You have the two paintings from 1956 and grey, then

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the speeding car in LA, it is him finding his way back home. It is

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full of positivity, the drawings, you see his craftsmanship when you

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see the sketch books. One problem I had with the exhibition, I thought

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a mistake they made was having the beautiful swech books, the whole

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process, everything -- sketch books, the whole process, everything in

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the back, I would have made it a more central part of the eggs Biggs.

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A lot of people would move along -- exhibition, a lot of people would

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move along and not see them. They are equisite, the charcoal trees

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were amazing, he can do anything. I liked they were a secret at the end

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of it, a lot of artists won't tell you what he's doing -- they are

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doing, he loves to tell you. could have been retrospective and

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nostalgic, but it is possibly the best work he has done. I heard

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wonderful comments, like post- middle-class people, like on a

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Smiths gig on campus, talking how Maureen will be talking in the

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future, saying they have seen enough trees. But he's talking

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about his memory, imagination and mood, and discovering something for

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the first time, he's 75. Standing still in the same place, look --

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licking different days, different months, the winter scene in the

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tunnel. That stillness, then with the cameras going along the side of

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the verges. You never look at foilage like that. He couldn't do

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everything already, now film. did say when he was in California,

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you don't get the seasons like you do. When he comes back you get all

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the seasons and he celebrates them all. That is what is wonderful,

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having the camera work as you are going down the road in winter and

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spring, it is the same vision. bravery at his age talking about

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time passing, knowing what it means. That is the extraordinary thing,

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these time pass, he will pass, and this will carry on, this is truth.

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He not go gently. Somebody else not going gently we will talk about in

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a moment. The exhibition continues until April.

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He has been called God Is Not Great gloom gloom, but Leonard Cohen is

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one of the -- The Godfather of Gloom, Leonard Cohen has a new

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album. Cohen's songs explore his greatest concern, religion, war,

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relationships, and of course, women. # You know

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# She will trust you # For you've touched

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# Her perfect body Held in great esteem in the music

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business, he has been covered by an array of artists. In 2010 his work

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was introduced to a new generation, curtesy of the unlikely figure of

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Simon Cowell, as X Factor winner's Alexandra Burk, he's version of

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Hallelujah topped the Christmas charts.

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-- Burke's version of Hallelujah topped the Christmas charts. He had

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to endure a punishing world tour to exorcise financial problems.

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You're famous # Blue raincoat

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# Was torn at the shoulder With the release of the laconicly

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titled Old Ideas he returns to known themes, sexuality, love, loss

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and death. # I've got no future # I know my days are few

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Now in his late 70s, it is perhaps no surprise that Cohen is facing up

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to the inevitable, with songs like I Know My Days Are Few. Earlier

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this month Cohen described his songwriting process as scraping the

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bottom of the barrel, and referred to some of his ideas as 2,000 years

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When you listen to this? The whole of my youth passes in front of my

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eyes and every cigarette I ever smoked. God, he has given up

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cigarettes. He still sounds like he has been swallowing swords for a

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lifetime. I absolutely adore this record. I have been playing it

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around the flat, anybody who has been there has been saying what is

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that? Because it does sound sapochral, when you quietly listen

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to the music and lyrics, every track becomes wonderful. In these

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lyrics is so much work. What he was talking to us, we had an audience

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with him in London, he was talking about discarding so much, 90% f it

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wasn't for his partner, retrieving stuff and working it again, things

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would be lost. He edits hugely. has taken a long time for it to get

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to the stage, then he sounds as if he's making it up as he goes along,

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that is the beauty of it. He has made a few records, like you

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Maureen, I have been listening to Leonard Cohen, I suddenly realised,

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for 40 years. The idea in your head of how Cohen sounds it does it, for

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a long time it hasn't done that. There is a vulgarity and kitschness

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about Leonard Cohen and the music represents that, this pulls back

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and allows it to be the kind of sound you want Cohen to be a tone

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over. He was asked at a press conference

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if his voice would change, he said he had given up smoking and hoped

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it would go higher, but it had gone lower. What I loved the record and

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hearing it for the first time with you, it was just so funny, it is

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like a weird thing, it is like hymns if hymns had jokes in it. It

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sounds incredibly quasi-religious, for a man who says he doesn't

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believe in anything any more, a man who was born Jewish, then a

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Buddhist and now nothing. They are the most brilliant lyrics. I "I

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know you hate me, but could you hate me less". It is a real

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spiritual album, I loved his honesty, you were say saying about

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David Hockney, looking at him's a man of an age looking at it. There

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is a bravery and honesty of him looking at it and saying this is me.

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The one thing about it that is interesting, hi to take my Leonard

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Cohen in very small bites, hi listened to a track, I would resent

:25:44.:25:49.

the next one starting, slightly, I had to hold on to this one. They

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are so wonderful, there is a slight sense you have to take one every

:25:53.:25:59.

day. You can't believe some of the lyrics are so good. I think what is

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really fascinating is that consciousness he has of his own

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image that he plays around with. Eventhough he has given all these

:26:09.:26:13.

labels depression, and the romantic Mel collie thing, he plays around

:26:13.:26:19.

with it so wonderful he makes it more palatable. I love the backing

:26:19.:26:23.

singers. The production is brilliant. It is so Cohen, when it

:26:23.:26:26.

goes wrong it goes really wrong, but when it goes well. Needs the

:26:26.:26:31.

women to support him. He's acknowledging his voice is a bit

:26:31.:26:35.

peculiar, they are the weird equivalent of Bond girls, they are

:26:35.:26:43.

always there with him. Let's hear a little more. Here is a clip.

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# Going home without my sorrow # Going home some time tomorrow

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# Going home to where it's better than before

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# Going home without my burden # Going home behind the curtain

:26:59.:27:09.
:27:09.:27:09.

# Going home without the costume # That I wore

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And the other thing as well, that he did all the art work for the

:27:13.:27:17.

album as well. There are moments when it is incredibly moving, and

:27:17.:27:21.

moments when you go, are you doing sixth form art, Leonard Cohen, I

:27:21.:27:24.

don't understand why you put that in there. In a way there is

:27:24.:27:31.

something very open and it is an intriguingly vulnerable thing to do,

:27:31.:27:36.

for somebody when everybody asks him questions, we asked Jarvis

:27:36.:27:42.

Cocker try to find out how he wrote his lyrics and he should it down.

:27:42.:27:47.

He enters his old age period, he's 77 now, you think in a way it is a

:27:47.:27:54.

response to Dylan entering his old age period, that was in the late 19

:27:54.:27:58.

90s, he was only in his 50s. It is interesting, we are moving age on.

:27:58.:28:02.

I remember when I used to listen to Leonard Cohen back then, he was in

:28:02.:28:07.

his early 30s, I thought he was really, really old. It is only,

:28:07.:28:12.

when I was listening to him, I didn't realise that he was in his

:28:12.:28:18.

late 30s. His voice sex ordinary now. His diction is fantastic.

:28:18.:28:24.

had to do the tour because of financial problems. It has been

:28:24.:28:31.

good for him, it has reinvigorated him, he has the phrasing of Fran

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circumstance he has the lyrics of the Old Testament. He used to be

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detatched now he's engaged, he knows he's there because he has

:28:40.:28:46.

seen it with the audience. Ideas is released on Monday.

:28:46.:28:50.

Homeland the new American TV drama has landed a Golden Globe for Danes.

:28:51.:28:56.

She plays a highly-strung CIA agent, who has her dougts about the return

:28:56.:29:02.

home of a marine played by Damian Lewis, he has been declared dead

:29:02.:29:08.

after the war in Iraq. But found locked behind a door in an Al-Qaeda

:29:08.:29:13.

hideout. It starts on Channel 4 next month and contains strong

:29:13.:29:17.

language. From the sail lem witch-hunts and

:29:17.:29:23.

McCarthyism, and through to the latest national occupation,

:29:23.:29:28.

Islamophobia, in America, the real and imagined threat has become part

:29:28.:29:35.

of the psyche. It was adapted from an Israeli series by the award-

:29:35.:29:41.

winning producers of 24. Lewis is familiar to American audiences from

:29:41.:29:47.

acclaimed series like Band of Brothers and Life. Lewis plays

:29:47.:29:52.

Sergeant Nicholas Brody, he has spent eight years in Afghan

:29:52.:29:56.

captivity. Left for dead by the American military, he returns home

:29:56.:30:00.

as a national hero. During the sweep, one of the deltas found

:30:01.:30:06.

something else. A padlocked door to an interior room, I wanted you to

:30:06.:30:16.
:30:16.:30:27.

see for yourselves. Get down, get him on his feet. I'm an American.

:30:27.:30:31.

Officer Carrie Mathison, played by Claire Danes suspected that Brody

:30:31.:30:37.

has turned Mancurian Candidate, radicalised by Al-Qaeda, she

:30:37.:30:42.

believes he's a sleeper, a threat to national security. Sergeant

:30:42.:30:49.

Brody is returning home tomorrow morning, it gives us 24 hours.

:30:49.:30:53.

do what? Authorise a search warrant, tap his phones, follow him wherever

:30:53.:30:59.

he goes. The spying on Brody's family becomes obsessive,

:30:59.:31:04.

exacerbated by Mathison's fragile state, and her part in a 9/11

:31:04.:31:07.

oversight. The series won two Golden Globes this year, and also

:31:07.:31:11.

tipped for BAFTA success this side of the pond. But will a counter

:31:11.:31:15.

terrorism thret thriller strike a chord with British audiences.

:31:15.:31:20.

As you know the first 72 hours after a soldier's capture are

:31:20.:31:27.

critical, what he knows could be used by the enemy during that

:31:27.:31:33.

period with great tragedy. Sergeant Brody was kept alive for eight more

:31:33.:31:38.

years, I want to ask him if he knows why. As a thriller, what it

:31:38.:31:42.

feeds on is fear still stalks America, you know that when you go

:31:42.:31:48.

to JFK and you are not welcome n a funny way, sometimes? At its heart

:31:48.:31:52.

is paranoia. It is the enemy within, it is all about that. It is great

:31:52.:31:58.

to see two British actors in this as well, David Hailwood, and Damian

:31:58.:32:03.

Lewis giving great performances. I have only seen two, and it is a

:32:03.:32:06.

set-up, it is intriguing, a man lost in action, his family and wife

:32:06.:32:11.

moving on. He has to adjust to that. It has been eight years. He has to

:32:11.:32:16.

adjust that, and America need him to be a hero, the CIA agent played

:32:16.:32:20.

by Claire Danes is convinced that he has been turned by Al-Qaeda. The

:32:20.:32:24.

pace is good, it is quite glossy in that. I think it is really well

:32:24.:32:30.

done. I keep watching. My worry with it is slightly how it portrays

:32:30.:32:35.

its enemy. There is a slight sense that anyone with a Middle East

:32:35.:32:39.

complexion is the enemy, I was worried about that slightly. I will

:32:39.:32:43.

definitely keep watching. I didn't think it was a demonisation at all.

:32:43.:32:48.

I worried about that, how the series was going to handle that.

:32:48.:32:51.

think they were terribly aware of being very careful about not doing

:32:51.:32:56.

that, actually it's a brilliant actor for the role, because he's so

:32:56.:33:01.

opaque, you can read anything into that face, and he's not American

:33:01.:33:06.

body language. With the girls and stuff like that, there was a weird

:33:06.:33:11.

scene where they were grooming the girls for his hare recommend.

:33:11.:33:16.

was a seen -- Harem. There was Australian expected scene, he's

:33:16.:33:20.

doing something in the garage, and you're thinking what is he up to,

:33:20.:33:24.

he's fixing the electric garage door. It is no secret, he wants to

:33:24.:33:29.

pray. He puts a bit of carpet down that he has bought. Of course he's

:33:29.:33:33.

suffering from post-traumatic stress. The scene, I thought the

:33:33.:33:38.

juxtaposition of her in ecstacy with her lover, and the phone call

:33:38.:33:43.

comes, her husband is alive, the remorse. It is about remorse.

:33:43.:33:48.

it did incredibly well was mix the domestic with the whole kind of CIA

:33:48.:33:53.

intrigue and the Claire Danes character coming in with this equal

:33:53.:33:59.

paranoia. But mixing those two in a very, very slick way? I think it

:33:59.:34:04.

does it extremely well. Before we go any further, with can he

:34:04.:34:07.

register the fact that Moren Baccarin is not old enough to be

:34:07.:34:12.

the mother of a teenager, please Hollywood stop thinking that once a

:34:12.:34:16.

woman turns 29 that she could have a 17-year-old. That is demented.

:34:16.:34:20.

That is what I think is at the heart of this show, the idea of

:34:20.:34:24.

what we want from our heros. It seems it is about the paranoia, is

:34:24.:34:30.

he, isn't he, is he good, is he bad, is she mad, is she sane, but

:34:30.:34:33.

actually, those two binary things don't get you through a full series.

:34:33.:34:38.

At the heart of it is the idea of what a hero is. He has to be

:34:38.:34:41.

constructed from having been a military hero to being a domestic

:34:41.:34:46.

hero. Can he be the hero with his wife. When he comes home he beats

:34:46.:34:50.

up a reporter in his garden and harassing him with questions. The

:34:50.:34:55.

question is are you still the hero when you behave like a soldier with

:34:55.:34:58.

post-traumatic stress disorder, which you are, or be the grinning

:34:58.:35:02.

hero. I will take a strangely British view of this. I grew up

:35:02.:35:08.

watching Damian Lewis, you know what I mean, he was always in a

:35:08.:35:13.

Frost or a Lewis, he was always this still centre. This is

:35:13.:35:20.

fascinating, it was like his A -- apprentice period for being in this.

:35:20.:35:23.

He's in this, British television can't do this. It is because we

:35:23.:35:28.

don't understand that red heads are hot. The Danish can do it. That has

:35:28.:35:33.

made a difference. Great producers as well, that understand, the

:35:33.:35:39.

producers of 24 that understand that. It is writing as well, it

:35:39.:35:46.

unfolds like a novel. It was a fine night series, it stopped. This is

:35:46.:35:50.

designed to go on and on and on. It is obvious why America want the

:35:50.:35:53.

talent to come to there. It is interesting why the talent wants to

:35:53.:35:57.

go that way, that is the other thing. There are some clunky

:35:57.:36:02.

moments in this, there is a sense where we know she's a jazz fiend,

:36:02.:36:07.

because she has pictures of miles Davies on her wall, her ureekia

:36:07.:36:11.

moment is in a jazz club, you think that is a bit weird, she gets the

:36:11.:36:17.

thing with the hand. If you watch Diagnosis Murder you would see that

:36:17.:36:23.

happen all the time. It reminds me of The Treatment, it is inherited

:36:23.:36:26.

from Israel, this was an Israeli production. There is a weird

:36:26.:36:30.

America I don't recognise, sometimes you see things, they are

:36:30.:36:37.

traces, you wonder if they have come from the Israeli one. He's a

:36:37.:36:42.

prose dueser the guy from Israel. - He's a producer the guy from

:36:42.:36:46.

Israel. We are talking about the British actors going to America,

:36:46.:36:49.

perhaps because there is an investment in teams of writers that

:36:49.:36:54.

carry on? What they want is fame and fortune, which is no bad thing.

:36:54.:37:02.

The spoils that have afforded you in a successful American television

:37:02.:37:07.

is very different. Hugh Laurie, jazz album. Here it is three or

:37:07.:37:11.

four episodes, in Denmark, and in America, because of 24 and the West

:37:11.:37:16.

Wing, it is 20, 30, you are allowed to linger over it like over a novel.

:37:16.:37:21.

You are saying here it is a kind of case you can have Downton Abbey, or

:37:21.:37:25.

whatever, running for 30 episodes. You can have it. But you can't have

:37:25.:37:30.

a long anything else? They do it with Shameless, they are the

:37:30.:37:34.

exceptions, really, it is about investment, money, and how we watch

:37:34.:37:39.

television. I have only watch two, you have the sense, here is Claire

:37:39.:37:42.

Danes, Damian Lewis, they are not mean, they are the intimate

:37:43.:37:46.

relationship, you know that is going down, that is going to happen.

:37:46.:37:51.

Homeland starts on Channel 4 next month. BBC introducing is the place

:37:51.:37:55.

where unsigned and under the radar musicians get the chance to feature

:37:55.:38:00.

on BBC radio, television and on- line, and perform on the festival

:38:00.:38:04.

circuit, we will hear from Jake Bug at the end of the show. We sent

:38:04.:38:08.

Paul to find out more. In the olden days, if you were single in a band

:38:08.:38:11.

and you definitely thought they were the next big thing. You would

:38:11.:38:16.

send your demos on a cassette to a radio station or record company.

:38:16.:38:21.

Now things are slightly more sophisticated, you can upload your

:38:21.:38:26.

songs on to the BBC Introducing website, and the culmination of

:38:26.:38:34.

someone sorting through the demos is the BBC Introducing masterclass

:38:34.:38:39.

at Abbey Road studios, where potential next big things have

:38:39.:38:45.

turned up to hear music insiders answer questions about how they

:38:45.:38:48.

broke into it. I have been asked the questions about the big break,

:38:48.:38:54.

you have to remove the ideas out of your brain, that you will be picked

:38:54.:38:59.

out by the Simon Cowell-type person and made into a superstar.

:38:59.:39:02.

cannoted to do something people could gel with and understand me as

:39:02.:39:07.

a person. I made a mix tape, almost like an album, that made me stand

:39:07.:39:13.

up, that is how I got my first in, radio play and few gigs. For myself,

:39:13.:39:21.

I got some whereby just playing an awful lot of shows. It is such a

:39:21.:39:25.

personal thing, when it is done well, music should be about bearing

:39:25.:39:29.

your soul. You don't want someone to see your soul until you have

:39:29.:39:34.

tarted it up and put make-up on. it possible for the next big thing,

:39:34.:39:38.

the future of rock'n'roll to come through something like this

:39:38.:39:45.

educational system that is almost alternative, Indie X Factor, is it

:39:45.:39:51.

like, what we need, more sue sick, to add to the glut of music. Or is

:39:51.:39:56.

it, this is just what we need. The genuine chance for a visionary to

:39:56.:40:01.

use BBC Introducing to crack through a system, that in the past

:40:01.:40:05.

was complicated and bureaucratic. Unhelpful, complicated and

:40:05.:40:11.

bureaucratic, that is your A & R man? Systems in the way. I'm asking

:40:11.:40:15.

myself my own question now, do I have to give an answer. It is a

:40:15.:40:19.

hugely optimistic idea isn't it? is. It is something that, in a

:40:19.:40:23.

funny sort of way, being the age I am, which is close to Leonard Cohen,

:40:23.:40:27.

demanding 30 years ago. You are coming to a productive period?

:40:27.:40:34.

wonder if as talented and ambitious and enthusiastic as people want to

:40:34.:40:39.

be a popstar. If you have the vision and char ris ma you need,

:40:39.:40:43.

would you come through the route or a completely unexpected way. I

:40:43.:40:46.

don't know if you are going to get is people doing the familiar

:40:46.:40:49.

because systems are set up that way. This is another way of getting more

:40:49.:40:54.

of the same thing. Interesting for music and acting you could send in

:40:54.:40:58.

a tape? Yes, of course, everybody thinks they can be famous very

:40:58.:41:02.

quickly yet if you are at a drama school, you are not allowed to work

:41:02.:41:06.

until you get suspended, if you do a job like this. There is

:41:06.:41:09.

absolutely no sense, really. Everybody wants to be famous.

:41:09.:41:13.

may just be the case there isn't enough revenue for all these people

:41:13.:41:16.

to survive. That is what bothers me. There is terrifying statistics

:41:16.:41:20.

about the number of people going to public school in the charts. They

:41:20.:41:26.

are the only people who can afford to. This way all you have to do is

:41:26.:41:31.

send in a demo and put it on-line. And have a day job because you

:41:31.:41:37.

can't sell records. I don't think that will be the case for our next

:41:37.:41:43.

guess, for all you inspiring musicians check out the website.

:41:43.:41:51.

Many thanks it my guests, Natalie, David, Maureen and Paul. Next week

:41:51.:41:59.

I will talk to Daniel Radcliffe about his role in A The Woman In

:41:59.:42:03.

Black. Back to BBC Introducing, we will be showcaseing artists over

:42:03.:42:10.

the coming weeks, we start with 17- year-old singer-songwriter Jake Bug,

:42:10.:42:18.

he recently signed to Mercury Records. So he's on his way.

:42:18.:42:22.

# Stop and speed bump city # Where the only thing that is

:42:22.:42:26.

pretty # Is the thought of getting out

:42:26.:42:29.

# There's a tower block # Overhead

:42:29.:42:36.

# All you got your benefits # You're barely scraping by

:42:36.:42:43.

# In this troubled town # Troubled -- troubles are found

:42:43.:42:53.

# If this trouble town # Fools are found

:42:53.:42:58.

# Kick a ball to make trouble # Smoked until our eyes bleed

:42:58.:43:05.

# Sparkle pop the seed # Hear the sirens down the street

:43:05.:43:11.

# The kids get light on their feet # Or they will be in the back seat

:43:11.:43:14.

# For you are sitting on the pavement

:43:14.:43:21.

# Boy you missed your payment # They're gonna find you soon

:43:21.:43:27.

# If there's a beating in the rain # If there's a little bit of pain

:43:27.:43:29.

# Man # You're the one it happens to

:43:30.:43:35.

# Oh # When I talk any night

:43:35.:43:44.

# I only hear the laughter loud # It has an ugly echo

:43:44.:43:47.

# Somewhere there's a secret to take me far away

:43:47.:43:53.

# I know # Till them I am hollow

:43:53.:44:00.

# In these troubled town # Troubles are found

:44:00.:44:09.

# In this troubled town # Fools are found

:44:09.:44:11.

# For you are sitting on the pavement

:44:11.:44:19.

# Boy you missed your payment # They're going to find you soon

:44:19.:44:21.

# If there's a beating in the street

:44:21.:44:26.

# If there's a feeling I've been beat

:44:26.:44:33.

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