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With almost 3,000 shows, around 300 venues | 2:04:00 | 2:04:05 | |
and more than 24,000 artistes in town, | 2:04:05 | 2:04:08 | |
it can only be Edinburgh in August | 2:04:08 | 2:04:10 | |
and the biggest cultural festival in the world. | 2:04:10 | 2:04:14 | |
You know, it's never too late to follow your dreams, Alien Boy! | 2:04:14 | 2:04:18 | |
WHIP CRACKS | 2:04:18 | 2:04:19 | |
Hello and welcome to this Review Show Special | 2:04:21 | 2:04:24 | |
from a rather windy Calton Hill in Edinburgh, | 2:04:24 | 2:04:26 | |
bringing you all the very best of the fest, | 2:04:26 | 2:04:28 | |
including everything from art to acrobats, | 2:04:28 | 2:04:31 | |
books to Beckett and comedy to cabaret. | 2:04:31 | 2:04:33 | |
Coming up, David Baddiel is among the stand-ups | 2:04:33 | 2:04:36 | |
who'll be telling me about the ineluctable lure of the Fringe, | 2:04:36 | 2:04:40 | |
I'll be giving you a heads-up | 2:04:40 | 2:04:42 | |
on an exhibition about Mary, Queen of Scots, | 2:04:42 | 2:04:45 | |
and we'll be looking forward to a season of Samuel Beckett classics. | 2:04:45 | 2:04:49 | |
First, though, the Book Festival kicked off this weekend | 2:04:51 | 2:04:54 | |
with Roddy Doyle, here to discuss his latest novel, The Guts. | 2:04:54 | 2:04:58 | |
After 26 years, it's the follow-up to his hugely popular book, | 2:04:58 | 2:05:02 | |
The Commitments, which, having already been made into | 2:05:02 | 2:05:05 | |
a smash-hit movie, is currently being adapted for the stage. | 2:05:05 | 2:05:09 | |
-One, two... -# Mustang Sally... # | 2:05:09 | 2:05:11 | |
In The Commitments, muso Jimmy Rabbitte | 2:05:11 | 2:05:14 | |
rallies together a troupe of jobless soulsters | 2:05:14 | 2:05:17 | |
to form a new group. | 2:05:17 | 2:05:19 | |
-Do you want to be in a band? -What? | 2:05:19 | 2:05:21 | |
The film and its soundtrack were hugely successful, | 2:05:21 | 2:05:24 | |
and now, years later, rehearsals have begun | 2:05:24 | 2:05:27 | |
for The Commitments, the musical. | 2:05:27 | 2:05:29 | |
-Is this the band, is it? -Yeah. | 2:05:29 | 2:05:31 | |
I bet you U2 are shitting themselves. | 2:05:31 | 2:05:34 | |
I caught up with Roddy Doyle at the Palace Theatre. | 2:05:34 | 2:05:37 | |
Now, for a long time you said you never wanted The Commitments | 2:05:37 | 2:05:39 | |
-to be a musical. -Yeah. -So, what changed your mind? | 2:05:39 | 2:05:42 | |
In my house, there's a division between the two people | 2:05:42 | 2:05:45 | |
who watch The Sound Of Music and the three people who get up and walk out | 2:05:45 | 2:05:49 | |
when it starts, and I'd be one of the walkers, you know? | 2:05:49 | 2:05:52 | |
I think...going to a few with my children, as they got older, | 2:05:52 | 2:05:56 | |
was a revelation, so I began to warm towards the idea. | 2:05:56 | 2:06:00 | |
It would be very hard to wipe Alan Parker's film from your brain. | 2:06:00 | 2:06:03 | |
-Very, very hard. That's why I haven't watched it in years. -Really? | 2:06:03 | 2:06:07 | |
I haven't watched it, not because I don't like it, | 2:06:07 | 2:06:09 | |
because I do, I love it... I suppose I felt a bit | 2:06:09 | 2:06:12 | |
smothered by the whole experience, I think, or overwhelmed almost, | 2:06:12 | 2:06:15 | |
and I didn't want to be defined by it. | 2:06:15 | 2:06:17 | |
I didn't want to be "the person who wrote The Commitments". | 2:06:17 | 2:06:20 | |
I'm more relaxed about it now. | 2:06:20 | 2:06:22 | |
Was it not quite terrifying, approaching a musical? | 2:06:22 | 2:06:25 | |
Presumably you have the songs there, of course. | 2:06:25 | 2:06:28 | |
It was terrifying to a degree, because I'd never written one, | 2:06:28 | 2:06:30 | |
so it was brand new, but on the other hand, you know, | 2:06:30 | 2:06:33 | |
certainly at my point in life, | 2:06:33 | 2:06:35 | |
to do something that I had never done before was quite exciting, really. | 2:06:35 | 2:06:39 | |
The big joy for me was choosing songs that would | 2:06:39 | 2:06:43 | |
propel the story on stage, because it's not based on the film. | 2:06:43 | 2:06:47 | |
It's based on the novel. | 2:06:47 | 2:06:49 | |
So it's a completely different body of songs, and that was great. | 2:06:49 | 2:06:52 | |
-I loved that, really. -But it was THE book | 2:06:52 | 2:06:56 | |
of late-20th-century urban poverty in the Republic of Ireland, | 2:06:56 | 2:07:01 | |
and yet that makes it sound like a misery book, doesn't it? | 2:07:01 | 2:07:05 | |
I just felt when I started The Commitments, | 2:07:05 | 2:07:07 | |
I remember quite clearly, early 1986, something clicked it. | 2:07:07 | 2:07:11 | |
This was the tone that I wanted. | 2:07:11 | 2:07:12 | |
Working-class kids who were quite happy being working-class kids, | 2:07:12 | 2:07:16 | |
and although a lot of them were facing a future of unemployment, | 2:07:16 | 2:07:19 | |
they weren't going to be limited by that. | 2:07:19 | 2:07:21 | |
They could still laugh, they could still enjoy life. | 2:07:21 | 2:07:24 | |
-Are you all choir girls, then? -We are. | 2:07:24 | 2:07:27 | |
Well, you've got fair voices | 2:07:27 | 2:07:29 | |
but you're not putting much of THAT into it. | 2:07:29 | 2:07:31 | |
Oh, Jesus. | 2:07:31 | 2:07:32 | |
These much-loved character have been resurrected in The Guts, | 2:07:34 | 2:07:37 | |
which revisits the irrepressible Jimmy Rabbitte 26 years on. | 2:07:37 | 2:07:41 | |
-Here you are, back with Jimmy... -Yeah. | 2:07:41 | 2:07:45 | |
-He is now in his late 40s. -He is. | 2:07:45 | 2:07:49 | |
He's now middle-class-ish, | 2:07:49 | 2:07:53 | |
middle-aged, midlife crisis | 2:07:53 | 2:07:57 | |
-and cancer. -Yeah. | 2:07:57 | 2:07:59 | |
And watching everyone around him have their houses repossessed, | 2:07:59 | 2:08:03 | |
and everything else, while he's doing OK, thank you very much, in that sense. | 2:08:03 | 2:08:07 | |
So what was the Ireland that you were portraying | 2:08:07 | 2:08:10 | |
with the new book, The Guts? | 2:08:10 | 2:08:12 | |
Well, I think the reason to drag Jimmy | 2:08:12 | 2:08:15 | |
back from his happy post-Commitments retirement and add years to his life | 2:08:15 | 2:08:21 | |
came from the early reports on the economic crisis in Ireland. | 2:08:21 | 2:08:26 | |
The word "recession" came back into everyday usage, | 2:08:26 | 2:08:30 | |
and was a real "boo" word, so to speak. | 2:08:30 | 2:08:32 | |
And if I remember right, and I probably don't, | 2:08:32 | 2:08:35 | |
but in the mid, late-'80s, | 2:08:35 | 2:08:37 | |
Ireland was in recession, but nobody used the word, | 2:08:37 | 2:08:40 | |
-because most of us thought it was normal life... -Yeah. -..in Ireland. | 2:08:40 | 2:08:44 | |
It had been a colony, poor country, basket case of Europe | 2:08:44 | 2:08:49 | |
and most of us were quite content with that definition. | 2:08:49 | 2:08:52 | |
We looked around and agreed, really. Just got on with our life. | 2:08:52 | 2:08:55 | |
The last one was normal life, but then we found a different normality | 2:08:55 | 2:08:59 | |
and now we're back into a different normality again. | 2:08:59 | 2:09:02 | |
So I began to think about Jimmy and his parents and his whole family, | 2:09:02 | 2:09:05 | |
really, wondering how different this one was, because this one is a shock. | 2:09:05 | 2:09:08 | |
But you twinned the shock of that with the shock of Jimmy's cancer. | 2:09:08 | 2:09:14 | |
-Yeah. -Now, why did you decide that Jimmy would have cancer? | 2:09:14 | 2:09:18 | |
It seems a strange question, but it now actually infuses | 2:09:18 | 2:09:23 | |
the conversation of middle-aged people, doesn't it? | 2:09:23 | 2:09:26 | |
Yes. That's one of the reasons. | 2:09:26 | 2:09:27 | |
For Eireans, it's often there in the conversation with football, you know? | 2:09:27 | 2:09:32 | |
I've lost friends to it and others have come through chemo | 2:09:32 | 2:09:35 | |
and survived, so just thought, I suppose, | 2:09:35 | 2:09:39 | |
I've been writing about middle age since I became middle-aged | 2:09:39 | 2:09:42 | |
and you may as well use... the humiliation of it all. | 2:09:42 | 2:09:45 | |
I haven't had cancer, luckily, and hope not to. | 2:09:45 | 2:09:48 | |
"Aoife was doing his worrying for him. | 2:09:48 | 2:09:50 | |
"That wasn't true. He was worried. | 2:09:50 | 2:09:52 | |
"Although all of his worry - he couldn't think further than | 2:09:52 | 2:09:56 | |
"two or three days from now, | 2:09:56 | 2:09:57 | |
"when the nausea would haul him out of his life. | 2:09:57 | 2:10:01 | |
"Something by Ennio Morricone. The Good, The Bad And The Ugly. | 2:10:01 | 2:10:04 | |
"For when they were carrying the coffin." | 2:10:04 | 2:10:06 | |
That whole love of music, it kind of drives the book. | 2:10:06 | 2:10:12 | |
It does, yeah. | 2:10:12 | 2:10:14 | |
Jimmy wouldn't be far off me in that regard. He's a fan. | 2:10:14 | 2:10:17 | |
I deliberately, when I was writing The Commitments, | 2:10:17 | 2:10:20 | |
made him the manager. He's off the stage. | 2:10:20 | 2:10:22 | |
He doesn't know how to play an instrument. | 2:10:22 | 2:10:25 | |
He doesn't know the language. | 2:10:25 | 2:10:26 | |
-And now he's trying to play one? -Yes. I added that. | 2:10:26 | 2:10:29 | |
That's as near to autobiography as you'll get. | 2:10:29 | 2:10:32 | |
I bought a trumpet some years ago, about two years ago, | 2:10:32 | 2:10:35 | |
and started trying to learn to play it. | 2:10:35 | 2:10:38 | |
-And? -With limited success. Very limited success. | 2:10:38 | 2:10:43 | |
I could struggle through Hey, Jude, and at least one of my children | 2:10:43 | 2:10:46 | |
recognises it for what it is, and the dog barks. | 2:10:46 | 2:10:49 | |
But I decided at that point, I remember thinking, | 2:10:49 | 2:10:52 | |
"Will I do that? Will I bring it in?" | 2:10:52 | 2:10:54 | |
Because I've never been overly tempted to bring in | 2:10:54 | 2:10:58 | |
any elements of my own life into the stories. | 2:10:58 | 2:11:00 | |
-In Jimmy, there's this tremendous lust for life now. -Oh, yeah. | 2:11:00 | 2:11:03 | |
Again, that was one of the discoveries. | 2:11:03 | 2:11:06 | |
I don't plan too meticulously when I start to write. | 2:11:06 | 2:11:08 | |
Once I knew he was going to come out the other end with the cancer, | 2:11:08 | 2:11:11 | |
he probably sooner than would be the reality | 2:11:11 | 2:11:15 | |
re-defines his relationship with his older children. | 2:11:15 | 2:11:18 | |
Because there is a form of grief, I think, | 2:11:18 | 2:11:21 | |
when you go from the simple relationship - filling the car | 2:11:21 | 2:11:25 | |
and bringing them places and standing on the side of football pitches | 2:11:25 | 2:11:29 | |
and watching them - and then it becomes complicated | 2:11:29 | 2:11:32 | |
when independence kicks in and they do exactly what you would hoped | 2:11:32 | 2:11:35 | |
they would do, but actually you're deeply hurt when they do it. | 2:11:35 | 2:11:38 | |
And it takes a while to fill that gap, if you're lucky. But Jimmy does. | 2:11:38 | 2:11:41 | |
-There's hints of it towards the end. -He does. | 2:11:41 | 2:11:44 | |
He also has an affair with Imelda Quirke, | 2:11:44 | 2:11:47 | |
who was the lead singer in The Commitments. | 2:11:47 | 2:11:50 | |
Jimmy is in the throes of chemotherapy, | 2:11:50 | 2:11:53 | |
so I suppose common sense is parked for a bit | 2:11:53 | 2:11:57 | |
and the moral compass, I would imagine, wobbles a bit. | 2:11:57 | 2:12:01 | |
"There were all sorts of reasons why he shouldn't have done it, | 2:12:01 | 2:12:04 | |
"and all sorts of reasons why he shouldn't have been able to do it, | 2:12:04 | 2:12:07 | |
"but he put his hands on the skin of a woman he didn't really know, | 2:12:07 | 2:12:11 | |
"didn't know well, and he pushed all the worries and doubts away. | 2:12:11 | 2:12:14 | |
"He'd given Imelda the best five minutes she'd had all week." | 2:12:14 | 2:12:18 | |
Also in the book, which I think is a generational thing as well, | 2:12:18 | 2:12:22 | |
-is that Jimmy and his son in a way share love of the same music. -Yeah. | 2:12:22 | 2:12:26 | |
That whole connection between generations, over music, | 2:12:26 | 2:12:29 | |
-do you have that with your children? -You know, one of my children | 2:12:29 | 2:12:32 | |
asked me, "Did you ever hear of a band called Supertramp?" | 2:12:32 | 2:12:36 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 2:12:36 | 2:12:38 | |
Which made my day. "And did you ever hear of a fella called Frank Zappa?" | 2:12:38 | 2:12:42 | |
You know? | 2:12:42 | 2:12:44 | |
And you'll suddenly feel useful, somehow or other. | 2:12:44 | 2:12:47 | |
I don't know. You're something of a musical legend all of a sudden. | 2:12:47 | 2:12:51 | |
If it's rock'n'roll, I think a lot of fathers | 2:12:51 | 2:12:54 | |
would have a lot in common with their children. | 2:12:54 | 2:12:56 | |
-Roddy Doyle, thank you very much. Thank you. -Thank you. | 2:12:56 | 2:12:59 | |
The Guts is available now, and The Commitments | 2:13:01 | 2:13:03 | |
opens at the Palace Theatre in London in September. | 2:13:03 | 2:13:06 | |
The Edinburgh International Festival also launched this weekend, | 2:13:06 | 2:13:09 | |
bringing the creme de la creme of theatre, opera, | 2:13:09 | 2:13:12 | |
dance and music from around the world to Edinburgh's stages. | 2:13:12 | 2:13:16 | |
This year it features a raft of plays, | 2:13:16 | 2:13:19 | |
films and radio dramas by Samuel Beckett | 2:13:19 | 2:13:21 | |
in a celebration of his ground-breaking approach to writing. | 2:13:21 | 2:13:25 | |
Back! | 2:13:25 | 2:13:26 | |
While Beckett's most famous works were for the stage, | 2:13:26 | 2:13:29 | |
his plays for TV and radio enabled him to use recorded sounds | 2:13:29 | 2:13:33 | |
and images to explore his often-absurd approach to life. | 2:13:33 | 2:13:36 | |
ALARM CLOCK RINGS | 2:13:36 | 2:13:38 | |
Now, taking his work full circle, | 2:13:38 | 2:13:41 | |
Beckett At The Festival has adapted some of those works for the stage. | 2:13:41 | 2:13:45 | |
WOMAN: Preferable in all respects. | 2:13:46 | 2:13:48 | |
Kinder. | 2:13:48 | 2:13:51 | |
Stronger. | 2:13:51 | 2:13:53 | |
More intelligent. | 2:13:53 | 2:13:55 | |
Eh Joe - the first play Beckett wrote for television - explores how | 2:13:55 | 2:13:59 | |
one man alone in his bedroom is forced to face up to his past. | 2:13:59 | 2:14:03 | |
Michael Gambon stars in this acclaimed production, | 2:14:03 | 2:14:07 | |
directed by Atom Egoyan. | 2:14:07 | 2:14:10 | |
Wait till he starts talking to you. | 2:14:10 | 2:14:13 | |
When you're done with yourself. | 2:14:14 | 2:14:17 | |
Or you're dead dead. | 2:14:17 | 2:14:19 | |
Sitting there in your foul old wrapper. | 2:14:21 | 2:14:23 | |
This is really a study in what performance means, | 2:14:25 | 2:14:29 | |
because you're seeing a figure on stage | 2:14:29 | 2:14:32 | |
who seems quite immobile and still, | 2:14:32 | 2:14:34 | |
but you're seeing this face that's so full of detail | 2:14:34 | 2:14:38 | |
and emotion, | 2:14:38 | 2:14:39 | |
and reconciling the two is, I think, quite magical. | 2:14:39 | 2:14:44 | |
How is your Lord these days? | 2:14:44 | 2:14:46 | |
It is a live 26-minute shot, and the actor, | 2:14:46 | 2:14:51 | |
while he's sitting on the bed, is being projected up to a camera | 2:14:51 | 2:14:54 | |
which is projecting back on to a gauze, | 2:14:54 | 2:14:57 | |
so it's a live sort of film performance, | 2:14:57 | 2:15:00 | |
but we see the large 18-foot-high face | 2:15:00 | 2:15:04 | |
and it goes in seven times, I think, until it just comes to here. | 2:15:04 | 2:15:07 | |
It is a mid-shot at first, but you also see the actor on the bed, | 2:15:07 | 2:15:11 | |
a very diminutive one, and that gives it a sort of poignancy. | 2:15:11 | 2:15:15 | |
And that is something that you won't get | 2:15:15 | 2:15:17 | |
when you look at Eh Joe as a piece of television. | 2:15:17 | 2:15:21 | |
Penelope Wilton, who provides the voice in Eh Joe, also features | 2:15:21 | 2:15:25 | |
in Rockaby, one of the Beckett films being shown at the festival. | 2:15:25 | 2:15:29 | |
All eyes. | 2:15:29 | 2:15:31 | |
All sides. | 2:15:31 | 2:15:32 | |
High and low. | 2:15:34 | 2:15:36 | |
Directed by Richard Eyre, Rockaby is a study in old age | 2:15:36 | 2:15:40 | |
and focuses upon a woman reciting a poem | 2:15:40 | 2:15:43 | |
whilst in a rocking chair. | 2:15:43 | 2:15:45 | |
The sources of Rockaby are very, very simple and very clear. | 2:15:45 | 2:15:49 | |
His mother had Alzheimer's, | 2:15:49 | 2:15:52 | |
then called senile dementia. | 2:15:52 | 2:15:55 | |
She was in a home that was just by the Dublin Grand Canal | 2:15:55 | 2:16:00 | |
and he could look up and see her in the window of that home, | 2:16:00 | 2:16:06 | |
a large Georgian window, rocking away. | 2:16:06 | 2:16:10 | |
The day came | 2:16:11 | 2:16:13 | |
In the end came | 2:16:13 | 2:16:15 | |
The close of a long day | 2:16:15 | 2:16:18 | |
When she said to herself | 2:16:19 | 2:16:22 | |
Whom else? | 2:16:22 | 2:16:24 | |
Time she stopped. | 2:16:24 | 2:16:26 | |
ECHOING: Time she stopped. | 2:16:26 | 2:16:29 | |
People misunderstand Beckett, I think, very, very badly | 2:16:29 | 2:16:33 | |
and think that his plays are liable to infinite interpretation. | 2:16:33 | 2:16:39 | |
He hated the idea that you could veer from what essentially | 2:16:39 | 2:16:45 | |
he saw as a sort of musical score. | 2:16:45 | 2:16:49 | |
The recurring image of the lone figure on stage that features | 2:16:49 | 2:16:52 | |
in much of Beckett's work is also the focus of First Love, | 2:16:52 | 2:16:56 | |
the stage adaptation of his 1946 novella | 2:16:56 | 2:16:59 | |
directed by Michael Colgan and starring Peter Egan. | 2:16:59 | 2:17:03 | |
It fulfils a lifetime's ambition, I think, | 2:17:03 | 2:17:06 | |
for me to be doing First Love. | 2:17:06 | 2:17:08 | |
It's a sensational, beautiful piece of writing. It's very personal. | 2:17:08 | 2:17:14 | |
It's quite personal to me, because I come from an Irish background. | 2:17:14 | 2:17:19 | |
My father was a Dubliner, | 2:17:19 | 2:17:22 | |
so there are rhythms in it, and refrains, that... | 2:17:22 | 2:17:25 | |
I can feel my father in them at times, | 2:17:25 | 2:17:30 | |
and that's both upsetting and also, um, rewarding. | 2:17:30 | 2:17:37 | |
"I thought of Anna then. | 2:17:39 | 2:17:41 | |
"I, who had learned to think of nothing, nothing except my pains, | 2:17:42 | 2:17:46 | |
"a quick think through, | 2:17:46 | 2:17:48 | |
"and what steps to take, not to perish offhand | 2:17:48 | 2:17:51 | |
"of hunger or cold or shame." | 2:17:51 | 2:17:53 | |
"But never on any account of living beings, as such." | 2:17:54 | 2:17:59 | |
The references... | 2:18:01 | 2:18:03 | |
and you can only say this immodestly, | 2:18:03 | 2:18:05 | |
and I'm not trying to be immodest, because I don't have | 2:18:05 | 2:18:08 | |
anything like the intellect, but the intellect was extraordinary. | 2:18:08 | 2:18:12 | |
And when you get that and live with that work, you'll realise what | 2:18:12 | 2:18:17 | |
those references are doing, | 2:18:17 | 2:18:20 | |
and the in-jokes that are there. | 2:18:20 | 2:18:22 | |
And they're right through... | 2:18:22 | 2:18:24 | |
For example, they're right through First Love, | 2:18:24 | 2:18:27 | |
they're through the trilogy and most of the plays. | 2:18:27 | 2:18:32 | |
The choice of a word is absolutely, to him, supreme. | 2:18:32 | 2:18:36 | |
WOMAN: 'Ohh! | 2:18:36 | 2:18:38 | |
'Poor woman. | 2:18:39 | 2:18:41 | |
'All alone in that ruinous old house.' | 2:18:41 | 2:18:45 | |
It's perhaps the adaptations of two of his radio plays - | 2:18:45 | 2:18:48 | |
Embers and All That Fall - staged by Dublin-based Pan Pan Theatre, | 2:18:48 | 2:18:52 | |
where audiences are able to appreciate Beckett's writing at its purist. | 2:18:52 | 2:18:57 | |
MAN: 'We are sitting on the Strand.' | 2:18:57 | 2:18:59 | |
'I mention it because the sound is so strange, | 2:19:02 | 2:19:06 | |
'so unlike the sound of the sea, | 2:19:06 | 2:19:10 | |
'that if you didn't see what it was you wouldn't know what it was.' | 2:19:10 | 2:19:14 | |
With the incorporation of technology, | 2:19:15 | 2:19:18 | |
Pan Pan have created atmospheric listening chambers | 2:19:18 | 2:19:21 | |
that envelope the audience in a multilayered theatrical experience. | 2:19:21 | 2:19:25 | |
WOMAN: 'How can I go on? | 2:19:25 | 2:19:28 | |
'What have I done to deserve all this? | 2:19:28 | 2:19:31 | |
'What? What?' | 2:19:31 | 2:19:33 | |
FOOTSTEPS | 2:19:33 | 2:19:35 | |
'So long ago. No. No.' | 2:19:35 | 2:19:40 | |
I think Beckett is of the most extraordinary integrity and purity. | 2:19:42 | 2:19:50 | |
His influence has been enormous. | 2:19:50 | 2:19:53 | |
Every single thing that he wrote makes you think. | 2:19:53 | 2:19:57 | |
'So long ago. | 2:19:57 | 2:19:59 | |
'No. No.' | 2:19:59 | 2:20:01 | |
The Beckett programme begins with Eh Joe on the 23rd of August. | 2:20:04 | 2:20:09 | |
Now, Edinburgh has become a Mecca for the stand-up fraternity - | 2:20:09 | 2:20:12 | |
it's after all where the likes of Steve Coogan, The Mighty Boosh | 2:20:12 | 2:20:15 | |
and The League Of Gentlemen all made their names. | 2:20:15 | 2:20:19 | |
But to what extent is the Fringe still a launch pad for new comics | 2:20:19 | 2:20:22 | |
and why do famous names come back again and again? | 2:20:22 | 2:20:26 | |
Is it for the pleasure or the pain? | 2:20:26 | 2:20:29 | |
David Baddiel has played Wembley Arena | 2:20:29 | 2:20:31 | |
and had numerous hit TV shows but now he's returned | 2:20:31 | 2:20:34 | |
to his stand-up roots with his first solo fringe show in 15 years. | 2:20:34 | 2:20:38 | |
I heard her say to her friend, "Oh, look, | 2:20:38 | 2:20:41 | |
"there's that bloke out of Skinner and Garibaldi." | 2:20:41 | 2:20:44 | |
I'm Irish, by the way. | 2:20:44 | 2:20:46 | |
Aisling Bea broke through last year, winning the annual "So You Think You're Funny?" competition, | 2:20:46 | 2:20:51 | |
and is back for her very first full Fringe run. | 2:20:51 | 2:20:54 | |
And Caroline Rhea, | 2:20:56 | 2:20:57 | |
star of the US hit TV show Sabrina The Teenage Witch, | 2:20:57 | 2:21:01 | |
who's chosen to spend August playing one of Edinburgh's hallowed halls. | 2:21:01 | 2:21:05 | |
Everyone's like, "People tell me that I look just like you." | 2:21:05 | 2:21:08 | |
I'm like, "You do look like me. You also look like a snowman and a baby." | 2:21:08 | 2:21:13 | |
Well, the three of them are with me now. | 2:21:13 | 2:21:15 | |
Aisling, first of all, I mean, that was the big break for you last year, | 2:21:15 | 2:21:18 | |
the first time a woman in 20 years has got "So You Think You're Funny?" | 2:21:18 | 2:21:21 | |
Yes, it boggled scientists trying to work out what happened. | 2:21:21 | 2:21:24 | |
But you got a show out of it, a whole show for this year. | 2:21:24 | 2:21:27 | |
Yeah, I did, it's brilliant, and I'm back at the Gilded Balloon as well, | 2:21:27 | 2:21:30 | |
where the whole competition kind of comes out of. | 2:21:30 | 2:21:33 | |
Erm, so hopefully people will come and laugh. | 2:21:33 | 2:21:35 | |
Do you think there's all this expectation, | 2:21:35 | 2:21:37 | |
"This is the woman that won 'So You Think You're Funny?' last year. | 2:21:37 | 2:21:39 | |
"We'll see if you're funny this year." | 2:21:39 | 2:21:42 | |
Yeah, "So you think you're funny, do ya?!" | 2:21:42 | 2:21:44 | |
Someone rang me up when I won last year, | 2:21:44 | 2:21:46 | |
someone from an Irish radio station rang me up, and they're like, | 2:21:46 | 2:21:48 | |
"So I hear you won the So You Think You're Funny Do Ya competition?" | 2:21:48 | 2:21:52 | |
And I'm like, "No, there's no 'Do Ya' at the end. | 2:21:52 | 2:21:54 | |
"That's just your sarcasm." | 2:21:54 | 2:21:56 | |
It is an incredibly aggressive title for a thing, though - | 2:21:56 | 2:21:59 | |
So You Think You're Funny, question mark. | 2:21:59 | 2:22:01 | |
There is a thing about Edinburgh now, isn't there? | 2:22:01 | 2:22:04 | |
15 years since you last did stand-up here, | 2:22:04 | 2:22:06 | |
now you're doing a show about not being so famous. | 2:22:06 | 2:22:08 | |
It's such a deathly sentence, isn't it, "15 years ago"? | 2:22:08 | 2:22:11 | |
Yeah, well, the show I'm doing now is about coming back to do stuff | 2:22:11 | 2:22:14 | |
and it's about fame, in a kind of very... | 2:22:14 | 2:22:18 | |
I'm really kind of celebrating the ludicrousness of being | 2:22:18 | 2:22:22 | |
in and out of fame for a long time. | 2:22:22 | 2:22:24 | |
And actually, one of the things I try to sort of talk about is | 2:22:24 | 2:22:26 | |
the fact that I think fame's talked about in two ways in our culture, | 2:22:26 | 2:22:29 | |
as this bauble that Simon Cowell says we all want | 2:22:29 | 2:22:32 | |
or as a really tragic narrative, this kind of Amy Whitehouse, Janis Joplin, | 2:22:32 | 2:22:35 | |
the roar of the crowd versus the pain of the empty hotel room. | 2:22:35 | 2:22:37 | |
My experience of fame is a third way, which is like | 2:22:37 | 2:22:40 | |
being on a Ryanair flight and trying to keep a seat I haven't paid for | 2:22:40 | 2:22:43 | |
for priority seating for my children and a bloke going, "David Baddiel, you're so tight." | 2:22:43 | 2:22:47 | |
That's my experience of fame, you know, being in an Aldi's car park | 2:22:47 | 2:22:50 | |
and a man giving me career advice, Andrew Lloyd Webber saying, | 2:22:50 | 2:22:53 | |
"Hello, Ben Elton." That kind of stuff, that's my experience of fame. | 2:22:53 | 2:22:57 | |
I went to Auschwitz a few years ago. | 2:22:57 | 2:22:59 | |
Not as an inmate, don't worry, I just... | 2:22:59 | 2:23:01 | |
You know, you can go there now, it's fine. | 2:23:01 | 2:23:03 | |
I went there and I was standing at the very site of the gas chambers | 2:23:03 | 2:23:06 | |
and a man who'd been staring at me for a while came over | 2:23:06 | 2:23:10 | |
and he stood by me for a little while, and I thought, | 2:23:10 | 2:23:13 | |
"He's going to say something, of great insight, | 2:23:13 | 2:23:15 | |
"of deep truth, of real moral value about the human condition." | 2:23:15 | 2:23:19 | |
And he said, "Dave, when's Fantasy Football coming back?" | 2:23:19 | 2:23:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 2:23:24 | 2:23:26 | |
It's funny. I'm kind of at a stage where I'm deciding... | 2:23:26 | 2:23:28 | |
-It's my first show and I'm deciding not to read any reviews. -Yeah. | 2:23:28 | 2:23:31 | |
-That's where it begins. -Comedy, the whole job... | 2:23:31 | 2:23:34 | |
Yes, that's where it begins! Wah! | 2:23:34 | 2:23:37 | |
-And then your good friends go, "Don't read the Herald!" -"Don't! Don't!" | 2:23:37 | 2:23:41 | |
You've got this kind of schizophrenic existence this time, | 2:23:41 | 2:23:44 | |
because you're a star, a big Canadian star in America, | 2:23:44 | 2:23:47 | |
you've got a stand-up and you've got a kids' show. | 2:23:47 | 2:23:51 | |
-Why do you still enjoy stand-up so much? -Why do I still do it?! I know! | 2:23:51 | 2:23:54 | |
You know what, first of all, I've got nothing to lose, | 2:23:54 | 2:23:56 | |
because I feel like I've had quite a decent career, so if nothing else | 2:23:56 | 2:23:59 | |
-good ever happens I'm still very happy with how it's gone. -Yeah. | 2:23:59 | 2:24:01 | |
And it's the one thing that I love and it helps me | 2:24:01 | 2:24:04 | |
process my life, and I think I started doing stand-up cos I thought | 2:24:04 | 2:24:07 | |
I was so unique, and what I am is completely like everyone else. | 2:24:07 | 2:24:10 | |
Especially in Scotland, cos we all look alike. | 2:24:10 | 2:24:12 | |
We all are cartilage based... | 2:24:12 | 2:24:14 | |
Yeah, the Scottish shtick is a thing with you, isn't it? | 2:24:14 | 2:24:16 | |
-Well, you know what, I'm Canadian, so this is our mother ship. -Is it? | 2:24:16 | 2:24:19 | |
Yeah, my grandparents are Scottish. | 2:24:19 | 2:24:21 | |
-I came here all the time. -Do you have Scotticisms, | 2:24:21 | 2:24:24 | |
things that are kind of weirdly Scottish that you do? | 2:24:24 | 2:24:27 | |
I love how dramatic everything is here. | 2:24:27 | 2:24:29 | |
I mean, the fact that there's a castle in the backdrop. | 2:24:29 | 2:24:32 | |
There is traffic, you know, and the woman said, | 2:24:32 | 2:24:34 | |
"The traffic is quite dire!" I was like, "Really, it's OK." | 2:24:34 | 2:24:38 | |
But everything is so, like... | 2:24:38 | 2:24:40 | |
And I was clothes shopping and there was a very proper sales lady. | 2:24:40 | 2:24:44 | |
As I was going into the dressing room she said something which I thought was quite mean, | 2:24:44 | 2:24:48 | |
which was, "Good luck." And I... | 2:24:48 | 2:24:50 | |
Odd. | 2:24:52 | 2:24:53 | |
It was so Scottish, cos you guys are so... What is that word? | 2:24:56 | 2:24:59 | |
Mean. Anyway, as I was going into the dressing room and she said, | 2:24:59 | 2:25:03 | |
"Good luck," I... | 2:25:03 | 2:25:04 | |
When I came out I was having a moment of denial and I said, | 2:25:04 | 2:25:08 | |
"Is this too big on me?" | 2:25:08 | 2:25:10 | |
And she said, "Quite the opposite, madam. | 2:25:10 | 2:25:13 | |
"Quite the opposite." | 2:25:13 | 2:25:15 | |
There's something nice about stand-up, no matter what level you get to, that you never... | 2:25:15 | 2:25:19 | |
I've found doing stand-up that I now have a job for life and it doesn't | 2:25:19 | 2:25:22 | |
sort of matter what you look like or what you do as long as you're funny. | 2:25:22 | 2:25:25 | |
-And that's what keeps you going. -Yeah. As long as you're funny! | 2:25:25 | 2:25:28 | |
-Yeah, you're still in your 20s! -If you go to America... | 2:25:28 | 2:25:31 | |
-NORTH AMERICAN ACCENT: -I work hard! What is this?! Whatever! | 2:25:31 | 2:25:36 | |
I'd love to see the film where Liam Neeson sees a bit of trouble | 2:25:36 | 2:25:39 | |
and just walks on by. You know, goes home, has an egg for his tea. | 2:25:39 | 2:25:43 | |
That'd be nice, Liam. That should be an acting challenge for you. | 2:25:43 | 2:25:46 | |
In America, do people think you're Scottish? Because I think Americans don't know the difference between... | 2:25:46 | 2:25:51 | |
I think Americans know the Irish thing. | 2:25:51 | 2:25:53 | |
I found in Canada... I was in Canada last week, | 2:25:53 | 2:25:55 | |
for the Montreal Festival, and they didn't totally know... | 2:25:55 | 2:25:58 | |
They didn't immediately hear the accent straightaway. | 2:25:58 | 2:26:02 | |
-I had to go down the "potato potato" route. -You said "potato" a lot? | 2:26:02 | 2:26:04 | |
Just kind of going in, "Potato potato?" | 2:26:04 | 2:26:07 | |
"Potato. Oh, now you know. | 2:26:07 | 2:26:09 | |
"We're grand. We're off." But it did take a while. | 2:26:09 | 2:26:11 | |
But did you come here last year, | 2:26:11 | 2:26:12 | |
-did you really think, "This is going to be a life changer?" -No, I didn't. | 2:26:12 | 2:26:17 | |
I came and did a play and I wanted to get... | 2:26:17 | 2:26:19 | |
I think there's something about... Especially doing the show this year, | 2:26:19 | 2:26:22 | |
there's something about doing your job, like an hour, 30 times in a row, | 2:26:22 | 2:26:25 | |
that it's just going to make you a better stand-up. | 2:26:25 | 2:26:28 | |
Because there'll be dud gigs and bad gigs and to sustain stand-up | 2:26:28 | 2:26:32 | |
and telling stories for an hour is completely different | 2:26:32 | 2:26:34 | |
to a 20-minute set, or a seven-minute set. | 2:26:34 | 2:26:36 | |
I mean, the competition was seven to eight minutes last year, | 2:26:36 | 2:26:39 | |
and that doesn't really... | 2:26:39 | 2:26:40 | |
It's like an advert for what you do, and it's so nice to have the space. | 2:26:40 | 2:26:43 | |
I'm shocked how...erm... | 2:26:43 | 2:26:46 | |
how much this city encourages stand-up and how it's got all | 2:26:46 | 2:26:49 | |
these venues, and yet the brutality of some of the reviews that I... | 2:26:49 | 2:26:52 | |
I will not read my own, don't worry. The cruelty in which... | 2:26:52 | 2:26:54 | |
And you're just like, you know, | 2:26:54 | 2:26:56 | |
the objective here is we're all trying to make everybody laugh. | 2:26:56 | 2:26:59 | |
You know, the fact that they take it so seriously. | 2:26:59 | 2:27:02 | |
I think there's an issue as well... | 2:27:02 | 2:27:03 | |
Comedy's a massive thing now, and there's a lot of critics, | 2:27:03 | 2:27:06 | |
but I have thought for a while that it's an issue for critics, | 2:27:06 | 2:27:10 | |
comedy, because it's the only art form where they're really not needed. | 2:27:10 | 2:27:13 | |
-Because, really, if the audience are laughing, it is working. -Yes. | 2:27:13 | 2:27:17 | |
-Exactly. -That's why quite a lot of critics... I've read this, | 2:27:17 | 2:27:19 | |
I remember AA Gill once saying, | 2:27:19 | 2:27:21 | |
"I prefer comedy which doesn't really make the audience laugh," | 2:27:21 | 2:27:23 | |
and I thought, "What you mean is, you prefer comedy where you can still tell us readers | 2:27:23 | 2:27:27 | |
"whether or not this thing is working, | 2:27:27 | 2:27:29 | |
"because otherwise, if it's laughing, why do you need a critic?" | 2:27:29 | 2:27:32 | |
Well, thank you all very much indeed. | 2:27:32 | 2:27:35 | |
Well, you can see Caroline until the 22nd and Aisling until the 26th, | 2:27:35 | 2:27:39 | |
both at the Gilded Balloon, | 2:27:39 | 2:27:40 | |
and David finishes his run tonight but is on tour in October. | 2:27:40 | 2:27:45 | |
Leading choreographers from Mark Morris to Michael Clark, | 2:27:45 | 2:27:49 | |
Lucinda Childs to Pina Bausch, have staged work here in Edinburgh | 2:27:49 | 2:27:53 | |
but contemporary dance can be one of the most misunderstood of art forms. | 2:27:53 | 2:27:57 | |
Pete Shenton and Tom Roden, aka New Art Club, have made it their mission | 2:27:57 | 2:28:01 | |
to bring new audiences to the world of dance, | 2:28:01 | 2:28:04 | |
so we asked them for the low-down | 2:28:04 | 2:28:06 | |
on what to expect from this year's movers and shakers. | 2:28:06 | 2:28:09 | |
With so much dance going on here at the Edinburgh Festival, | 2:28:24 | 2:28:28 | |
it can be hard to decide what to go and see. | 2:28:28 | 2:28:30 | |
You could try using Pete's technique. | 2:28:30 | 2:28:33 | |
Which has its pros and cons. | 2:28:33 | 2:28:35 | |
Or you could get somebody who knows what they're talking about | 2:28:37 | 2:28:40 | |
to be your guide. | 2:28:40 | 2:28:41 | |
With everything from pure movement | 2:28:41 | 2:28:43 | |
to surreal retellings of great stories | 2:28:43 | 2:28:45 | |
and with choreographers using all manner of theatrical devices, | 2:28:45 | 2:28:50 | |
including film, spoken word and even physical comedy... | 2:28:50 | 2:28:55 | |
You can be bombarded with images or taken deep into intimate moments. | 2:28:55 | 2:29:01 | |
It can be completely abstract, and on occasion, utterly meaningless. | 2:29:01 | 2:29:06 | |
This year possibly the most abstract... | 2:29:08 | 2:29:11 | |
And in dance terms, therefore the most traditional... | 2:29:11 | 2:29:14 | |
Is the LA dance project. | 2:29:14 | 2:29:16 | |
This is the company from celebrity dancer | 2:29:40 | 2:29:42 | |
and choreographer Benjamin Millepied. | 2:29:42 | 2:29:45 | |
Not only are they presenting work by two renowned masters | 2:29:45 | 2:29:48 | |
of contemporary dance, Merce Cunningham and William Forsythe, | 2:29:48 | 2:29:52 | |
but also a piece by Millepied himself. | 2:29:52 | 2:29:54 | |
But even in these seemingly abstract dance pieces, you might see meaning. | 2:30:18 | 2:30:24 | |
The snaking, intertwining bodies of the dancers | 2:30:24 | 2:30:28 | |
may suggest a relationship of support and trust. | 2:30:28 | 2:30:33 | |
The work of a comedy double act is similarly based on trust. | 2:30:35 | 2:30:39 | |
It just manifests itself in a slightly different way. | 2:30:39 | 2:30:42 | |
The next piece, by Korean artist Hyo Jin Kim, | 2:30:45 | 2:30:48 | |
has a stronger relationship to narrative | 2:30:48 | 2:30:50 | |
and uses projected images in film to create and manipulate meaning. | 2:30:50 | 2:30:55 | |
The piece plays around with scale, and pitches the human body | 2:30:55 | 2:30:58 | |
against images as varied as a 1950s classic of Korean cinema... | 2:30:58 | 2:31:05 | |
..and enormous fish. | 2:31:05 | 2:31:07 | |
In Jose Montalvo's Don Quichotte du Trocadero | 2:31:16 | 2:31:19 | |
the already surreal narrative is transformed into a series of imagistic episodes. | 2:31:19 | 2:31:24 | |
It also uses specially created film projection in order to shift location | 2:31:24 | 2:31:30 | |
and to illuminate the interior world of the characters' imaginations. | 2:31:30 | 2:31:34 | |
This allows it to move around freely inside the narrative, | 2:31:34 | 2:31:37 | |
providing a comic discourse between the live and the filmed elements. | 2:31:37 | 2:31:42 | |
So, if you're thinking of coming to see some dance in Edinburgh this year, | 2:32:14 | 2:32:17 | |
you can expect plenty of visual and physical stimulation. | 2:32:17 | 2:32:21 | |
Probably some film, and even people talking to you. | 2:32:21 | 2:32:26 | |
Or, to each other. | 2:32:26 | 2:32:27 | |
Yeah. Or to each other. | 2:32:27 | 2:32:29 | |
But they probably won't be trying to tell you any kind of story | 2:32:29 | 2:32:32 | |
with a clear narrative - so in the words of the great funk philosopher George Clinton, | 2:32:32 | 2:32:36 | |
free your mind and your ass will follow. | 2:32:36 | 2:32:40 | |
# Free your mind and your ass will follow | 2:32:40 | 2:32:42 | |
# The kingdom of heaven is within | 2:32:42 | 2:32:45 | |
# Free your mind | 2:32:45 | 2:32:48 | |
# And your ass will follow | 2:32:48 | 2:32:50 | |
# The kingdom of heaven is within | 2:32:50 | 2:32:52 | |
# Yeah... | 2:32:55 | 2:32:56 | |
# Mmm... # | 2:32:59 | 2:33:01 | |
New Art Club are at the Assembly in Edinburgh | 2:33:07 | 2:33:09 | |
until the 26th of the month. | 2:33:09 | 2:33:11 | |
From modern dance to modern opera, American Lulu relocates | 2:33:11 | 2:33:15 | |
Alban Berg's femme fatale to New York, | 2:33:15 | 2:33:18 | |
with Angel Blue taking the lead role | 2:33:18 | 2:33:20 | |
in this collaboration by Scottish Opera and The Opera Group. | 2:33:20 | 2:33:23 | |
We caught up with the company during their rehearsals. | 2:33:23 | 2:33:26 | |
-# Can't you tell me your name? -# No, it would make me uneasy | 2:33:26 | 2:33:29 | |
# You're so secretive | 2:33:29 | 2:33:30 | |
# I'm secretive? I never needed to be... # | 2:33:30 | 2:33:36 | |
This interpretation of Lulu is by the composer Olga Neuwirth. | 2:33:36 | 2:33:40 | |
Olga chose to set the piece in the United States of America | 2:33:40 | 2:33:44 | |
across the civil rights era, the civil rights revolution. | 2:33:44 | 2:33:47 | |
And I think the reason for doing that | 2:33:47 | 2:33:50 | |
is that she wanted to say that this is a piece | 2:33:50 | 2:33:53 | |
not only about gender and about sexuality, but also about race. | 2:33:53 | 2:33:57 | |
And that it's a piece about what it is to be a human in its broadest sense. It's about human rights. | 2:33:57 | 2:34:03 | |
San Francisco-based soprano Angel Blue | 2:34:03 | 2:34:07 | |
plays the young and beautiful dancer, whose world is torn apart by the jealous | 2:34:07 | 2:34:10 | |
and controlling men and women desperate to be her lovers. | 2:34:10 | 2:34:15 | |
# ..I remember | 2:34:15 | 2:34:19 | |
# The times that we used to have... # | 2:34:19 | 2:34:28 | |
'It's a political piece, for sure. | 2:34:28 | 2:34:30 | |
'And in the end you sort of see Lulu kind of just,' | 2:34:30 | 2:34:33 | |
in a very violent manner, | 2:34:33 | 2:34:36 | |
feel that that's the way that she has to sort everything out in her life. | 2:34:36 | 2:34:41 | |
She kind of shuts off to people. | 2:34:41 | 2:34:42 | |
# Slowly You have to slow down | 2:34:42 | 2:34:46 | |
# How dare you just turn up like that... # | 2:34:46 | 2:34:49 | |
'I love it because it's nothing like me as a person. | 2:34:49 | 2:34:51 | |
'I just, I really sort of enjoy being,' | 2:34:51 | 2:34:53 | |
for lack of a better word, crazy. | 2:34:53 | 2:34:56 | |
I like the journey that she makes, I think she starts out | 2:34:56 | 2:34:59 | |
'kind of innocent, but I think you just sort of see her just go down | 2:34:59 | 2:35:03 | |
'a downward spiral, | 2:35:03 | 2:35:05 | |
'and hopefully that will never happen to me in my real life | 2:35:05 | 2:35:08 | |
'but I do enjoy playing her because she has... She's like an onion.' | 2:35:08 | 2:35:12 | |
Peel an onion, many layers and everything - | 2:35:12 | 2:35:14 | |
that's how I feel about Lulu. | 2:35:14 | 2:35:17 | |
SHE SINGS | 2:35:17 | 2:35:19 | |
American Lulu is at the King's Theatre | 2:35:24 | 2:35:26 | |
on the 30th and 31st of August, | 2:35:26 | 2:35:29 | |
and also at the Young Vic in London in September. | 2:35:29 | 2:35:32 | |
Fringe theatre now, | 2:35:32 | 2:35:34 | |
and this year a number of new plays set out to tackle | 2:35:34 | 2:35:36 | |
some of the most shocking and significant events in recent history. | 2:35:36 | 2:35:40 | |
Chalk Farm, by ThickSkin, is an explosive new play about love | 2:35:42 | 2:35:46 | |
and blame during the 2011 London riots. | 2:35:46 | 2:35:50 | |
There's this loud cracking noise like frying bacon, | 2:35:50 | 2:35:53 | |
and a bunch of kids are peeling away the smashed window | 2:35:53 | 2:35:56 | |
like big strips of sunburnt skin. | 2:35:56 | 2:35:58 | |
Ram Singh starts the engine... | 2:35:58 | 2:36:02 | |
After much acclaim for her version of Mies Julie last year, | 2:36:04 | 2:36:08 | |
Yale farmer returns with Nirbhaya, | 2:36:08 | 2:36:10 | |
a devastating exploration of violence against women in India, | 2:36:10 | 2:36:13 | |
highlighted by the gang rape on a Delhi bus in December last year. | 2:36:13 | 2:36:17 | |
And closer to home in more ways than one, Making News | 2:36:25 | 2:36:29 | |
is a satire on the BBC, as things go very wrong in the newsroom. | 2:36:29 | 2:36:33 | |
We're all in this together, Rachel. | 2:36:33 | 2:36:35 | |
Yes. | 2:36:35 | 2:36:37 | |
-And we all know our place? -Yes. | 2:36:37 | 2:36:38 | |
Good. Let's hope it isn't Salford. | 2:36:40 | 2:36:43 | |
Well, with me to give me their verdict on these plays are the playwright Mark Ravenhill, | 2:36:46 | 2:36:51 | |
Lyn Gardner from The Guardian and the broadcaster Gyles Brandreth. | 2:36:51 | 2:36:54 | |
First of all, Gyles, Making News. An easy target, the BBC, do you think? | 2:36:54 | 2:36:59 | |
An easy target indeed, therefore we are fulfilling here | 2:36:59 | 2:37:03 | |
what their premise is. | 2:37:03 | 2:37:04 | |
They say if you do something critical of the BBC, | 2:37:04 | 2:37:07 | |
the BBC has to give it extra attention. | 2:37:07 | 2:37:09 | |
So here we are, hundreds of plays on, we are focusing on one | 2:37:09 | 2:37:12 | |
which is basically a corporate drama about the Corporation. | 2:37:12 | 2:37:16 | |
A new Acting Head of News has just been appointed, | 2:37:16 | 2:37:19 | |
played by Suki Webster. She has a dilemma. | 2:37:19 | 2:37:22 | |
A young reporter from Panorama arrives | 2:37:22 | 2:37:24 | |
with what he thinks is a hot story. | 2:37:24 | 2:37:27 | |
A cult has been uncovered, a million people - | 2:37:27 | 2:37:29 | |
is it funded by the BBC itself? | 2:37:29 | 2:37:31 | |
The best of the performances was from somebody called Hal Cruttenden, | 2:37:31 | 2:37:34 | |
who is the star newsreader, | 2:37:34 | 2:37:36 | |
who comes really from the Reginald Bosanquet generation. | 2:37:36 | 2:37:39 | |
That suit is cursed! | 2:37:41 | 2:37:43 | |
That's the suit I wore during the Crisis of the Forbidden Angle. | 2:37:43 | 2:37:46 | |
This is the biggest news story of the year. | 2:37:49 | 2:37:52 | |
-The DG selected you personally. -Get someone else! | 2:37:52 | 2:37:56 | |
-There is no-one else. -This is suicide! Career suicide! | 2:37:56 | 2:38:00 | |
Do they capture the whole atmosphere of crisis in the BBC? | 2:38:00 | 2:38:02 | |
This is obviously a crazy story, but do they capture that well? | 2:38:02 | 2:38:05 | |
Well, there are a little bit too few of them | 2:38:05 | 2:38:08 | |
to create the drama within the newsroom there should be. | 2:38:08 | 2:38:11 | |
There seems to be quite a lot of leisurely time taken, | 2:38:11 | 2:38:13 | |
and there's a fair bit of disappearing behind the water cooler | 2:38:13 | 2:38:16 | |
to do some light bonking, which I have to tell you - | 2:38:16 | 2:38:19 | |
I work on The One Show, where none of that ever happens. | 2:38:19 | 2:38:22 | |
-And maybe it does on news, you'd be better placed to tell us about that. -Couldn't say a word. | 2:38:22 | 2:38:27 | |
Lyn, what about Phill Jupitus as the DG? | 2:38:27 | 2:38:30 | |
Phill Jupitus is Phill Jupitus, he's not really the DG, | 2:38:30 | 2:38:34 | |
but nobody on that stage really is acting other than Hal. | 2:38:34 | 2:38:38 | |
And I think that Gyles makes it sound considerably more | 2:38:38 | 2:38:41 | |
interesting than it actually is. | 2:38:41 | 2:38:43 | |
I enjoyed it. I went with the flow. It's Edinburgh, it was a fun show, it was topical. | 2:38:43 | 2:38:48 | |
I enjoyed the performances. | 2:38:48 | 2:38:50 | |
Well, another play, again with the news at its heart | 2:38:50 | 2:38:54 | |
but a much more serious affair and reflecting on something | 2:38:54 | 2:38:57 | |
that happened in 2011, is Chalk Farm, about the riots. You saw that. | 2:38:57 | 2:39:02 | |
Now, this is a two-hander, a mother and her son. | 2:39:02 | 2:39:05 | |
Yeah, and it's an extraordinary insight I think into | 2:39:05 | 2:39:10 | |
what happened that summer, which we've all been looking for. | 2:39:10 | 2:39:13 | |
It deals with the fact that there is no easy answer. | 2:39:13 | 2:39:16 | |
Very early on the young son has a speech at the beginning | 2:39:16 | 2:39:18 | |
saying this was about everything and nothing. | 2:39:18 | 2:39:21 | |
But then it takes us into the heart of this relationship between mother and son - | 2:39:21 | 2:39:24 | |
a mother who's really proud to be living in Chalk Farm. | 2:39:24 | 2:39:27 | |
She feels she's doing the best by her boy, | 2:39:27 | 2:39:30 | |
and then he gets drawn into the nights of the riots. | 2:39:30 | 2:39:32 | |
But it's after that that she comes to this realisation that | 2:39:32 | 2:39:35 | |
because the riots have happened, now people are perceiving | 2:39:35 | 2:39:39 | |
a whole section of society as being chavs and scum. | 2:39:39 | 2:39:43 | |
No right to live here amongst good law-abiding citizens. | 2:39:43 | 2:39:47 | |
Should be hounded up, or locked away, or worse. | 2:39:47 | 2:39:51 | |
And she's screaming now, proper yelling, | 2:39:51 | 2:39:53 | |
and all I can see is my little Jamie, in dim light, | 2:39:53 | 2:39:57 | |
with the curtains closed, breathing softly like an angel | 2:39:57 | 2:40:00 | |
and I'm thinking, "You don't know. You don't know him." | 2:40:00 | 2:40:06 | |
This idea of the rich and poor living cheek by jowl very much at the heart of the problem. | 2:40:06 | 2:40:11 | |
I think it really captures that sense of, what has happened to us | 2:40:11 | 2:40:14 | |
when we have such a broadening gap between the rich and the poor? | 2:40:14 | 2:40:19 | |
And is there any society left, is there any shared ground left | 2:40:19 | 2:40:22 | |
between this hugely torn apart society? | 2:40:22 | 2:40:25 | |
You saw that as well, Lyn. Is it too sympathetic? | 2:40:25 | 2:40:29 | |
Well, no, I think that actually it's a deceptively simple play | 2:40:29 | 2:40:33 | |
about a really complex issue. | 2:40:33 | 2:40:36 | |
And I think it puts things very beautifully | 2:40:36 | 2:40:39 | |
and very movingly about the way that it explores, | 2:40:39 | 2:40:43 | |
that it's possible to have two women living on opposite sides of a road, | 2:40:43 | 2:40:48 | |
and yet the gulf between them is impossible to breach. | 2:40:48 | 2:40:52 | |
And what about the staging? Because there's music, video, text... | 2:40:52 | 2:40:57 | |
A really complex staging, | 2:40:57 | 2:40:59 | |
very hard to do at the Fringe, where the turnover is very fast-moving. | 2:40:59 | 2:41:02 | |
I thought it was an incredibly accomplished production. | 2:41:02 | 2:41:04 | |
I thought, am I just being impressed because it's on the Fringe | 2:41:04 | 2:41:07 | |
and we're normally expecting a few black drapes and a couple of lighting states? | 2:41:07 | 2:41:11 | |
But actually I think on any level, the combination of underscoring - the score was fantastic, | 2:41:11 | 2:41:16 | |
the use of video worked, the movement worked, the precision of the acting - | 2:41:16 | 2:41:20 | |
I think in any context, it's an incredibly thought through and accomplished production. | 2:41:20 | 2:41:24 | |
This is it. This is it! | 2:41:24 | 2:41:28 | |
It doesn't get better than this. | 2:41:28 | 2:41:30 | |
Well, Lyn, you went to see a drama not only based | 2:41:33 | 2:41:38 | |
on the true story of the dreadful rape and subsequent death of the young woman | 2:41:38 | 2:41:42 | |
on the bus in India, but the performers on stage | 2:41:42 | 2:41:46 | |
have suffered the kind of abuse that's being portrayed in the drama. | 2:41:46 | 2:41:51 | |
I would say that this is a show which almost defies criticism | 2:41:51 | 2:41:55 | |
to some extent, because it is so extraordinarily powerful. | 2:41:55 | 2:42:00 | |
To be sitting there in a theatre, | 2:42:00 | 2:42:02 | |
and in a way what you're actually doing is bearing witness | 2:42:02 | 2:42:06 | |
to the stories of these women, | 2:42:06 | 2:42:09 | |
who in one case has been serially abused by the men in her life, | 2:42:09 | 2:42:17 | |
other women who have been raped, | 2:42:17 | 2:42:20 | |
a woman who stands on stage in really quite obvious distress | 2:42:20 | 2:42:24 | |
telling us how her husband and his brother poured kerosene over her | 2:42:24 | 2:42:30 | |
in front of her small child and set alight to her. | 2:42:30 | 2:42:33 | |
So it's a hugely powerful show. | 2:42:33 | 2:42:36 | |
In that moment, you understood what they were doing. | 2:42:36 | 2:42:40 | |
They wanted to kill you. | 2:42:40 | 2:42:42 | |
SHE SPEAKS SOUTH ASIAN LANGUAGE | 2:42:42 | 2:42:44 | |
"If you are going to burn me - do it," you said. | 2:42:46 | 2:42:50 | |
SHE SPEAKS SOUTH ASIAN LANGUAGE | 2:42:50 | 2:42:53 | |
He lit the match and threw it. | 2:42:53 | 2:42:55 | |
The stark, horrific quality of what was being said | 2:42:55 | 2:43:00 | |
contrasted with some of the more beautiful moments. | 2:43:00 | 2:43:04 | |
I think it uses ritual in a really sophisticated | 2:43:04 | 2:43:07 | |
and very interesting way theatrically. | 2:43:07 | 2:43:10 | |
And I think that that absolutely helps the audience | 2:43:10 | 2:43:14 | |
actually bear something which is almost unbearable to watch, it is really, really harrowing. | 2:43:14 | 2:43:19 | |
Isn't that the joy of Edinburgh - at one stage you can get a complete drama like this | 2:43:25 | 2:43:29 | |
that clearly involves catharsis as well, and then you can go away and you can be calm | 2:43:29 | 2:43:34 | |
and see something completely hilarious. | 2:43:34 | 2:43:36 | |
It is the very roller coaster of it, and the variety of quality and content. | 2:43:36 | 2:43:40 | |
And it doesn't mean you'll forget it. | 2:43:40 | 2:43:42 | |
Audiences at Edinburgh do expect this whole variety of experience. | 2:43:42 | 2:43:47 | |
Is it still the place that you think that you find the most excitement, culturally, jammed into three weeks? | 2:43:47 | 2:43:54 | |
I think the great thing about Edinburgh is the emphasis on the new. | 2:43:54 | 2:43:58 | |
What is rewarded here is new work. | 2:43:58 | 2:44:01 | |
Sometimes that can just mean the novel and the freakish, | 2:44:01 | 2:44:04 | |
but also sometimes it genuinely means the innovative and the fresh. | 2:44:04 | 2:44:07 | |
And Lyn, Mark in his opening address on the Fringe | 2:44:07 | 2:44:11 | |
talks about the danger of becoming too cosy if you're funded. | 2:44:11 | 2:44:15 | |
You refer to New Labour, for example, as creating a liberal arts that wasn't critical enough. | 2:44:15 | 2:44:21 | |
Yes, and I think one of the things about Edinburgh is of course | 2:44:21 | 2:44:24 | |
that most people are here absolutely unfunded. | 2:44:24 | 2:44:28 | |
That they've had to find other ways to raise the money in order to get here. | 2:44:28 | 2:44:33 | |
For a lot of young companies you see that spirit | 2:44:33 | 2:44:36 | |
where they say, "We're going to make art, come what may." | 2:44:36 | 2:44:38 | |
I think one of the things I'm saying is, as artists our ultimate duty is | 2:44:38 | 2:44:43 | |
to tell the truth, and is public subsidy one way to get ourselves | 2:44:43 | 2:44:47 | |
in the position where we can tell the truth? | 2:44:47 | 2:44:49 | |
Quite possibly, but it may not be the only context. | 2:44:49 | 2:44:52 | |
But we have to fight and fight and find whatever resources that we can to be able to tell the truth. | 2:44:52 | 2:44:57 | |
Thanks to my guests, Gyles, Lynne and Mark, and all three plays continue throughout the Fringe. | 2:44:57 | 2:45:01 | |
Well, amidst all this plethora of performance, | 2:45:01 | 2:45:04 | |
there are some titans of art in the capital this summer. | 2:45:04 | 2:45:07 | |
At the Queen's Gallery, | 2:45:09 | 2:45:11 | |
a collection of anatomical studies by Leonardo da Vinci | 2:45:11 | 2:45:14 | |
are on show alongside CT and MRI scans, | 2:45:14 | 2:45:17 | |
in an exhibition that seeks to show the artist's understanding | 2:45:17 | 2:45:20 | |
of the human form was way ahead of its time. | 2:45:20 | 2:45:24 | |
Mexico's foremost contemporary artist Gabriel Orozco's | 2:45:24 | 2:45:27 | |
geometric forms are showcased | 2:45:27 | 2:45:29 | |
at The Fruitmarket Gallery. | 2:45:29 | 2:45:32 | |
And there's a homecoming for Peter Doig, | 2:45:32 | 2:45:35 | |
an Edinburgh-born painter who spent many years in the Caribbean. | 2:45:35 | 2:45:38 | |
Doig's first major exhibition in the country of his birth | 2:45:38 | 2:45:41 | |
features his lush large-scale canvases, whose vivid palettes | 2:45:41 | 2:45:45 | |
link him to great colourists such as Gauguin and Matisse. | 2:45:45 | 2:45:49 | |
Meanwhile, at the National Museum of Scotland, | 2:45:50 | 2:45:53 | |
a major exhibition brings together paintings, jewellery and maps | 2:45:53 | 2:45:57 | |
and textiles to illustrate the life and times of Mary, Queen of Scots. | 2:45:57 | 2:46:01 | |
I met the poet and playwright Liz Lochhead, writer of Mary Queen Of Scots Got Her Head Chopped Off, | 2:46:01 | 2:46:06 | |
to discuss one of the most controversial characters in Scottish history. | 2:46:06 | 2:46:11 | |
Perhaps best-known for the manner of her death, | 2:46:14 | 2:46:17 | |
the execution which was sanctioned by her cousin Elizabeth I, | 2:46:17 | 2:46:20 | |
this exhibition chronicles an eventful life, | 2:46:20 | 2:46:23 | |
filled with bereavement, adultery, religious conflict and imprisonment. | 2:46:23 | 2:46:28 | |
I think that there's always been a complete fascination with Mary | 2:46:29 | 2:46:33 | |
in Scotland, because she exists | 2:46:33 | 2:46:34 | |
as much in myth as she does in history. | 2:46:34 | 2:46:38 | |
I don't mean untruth, I mean deep myth, deep dreams. | 2:46:38 | 2:46:41 | |
So if you're a Catholic Irish Scot, culturally, | 2:46:41 | 2:46:46 | |
or a Protestant Scot, | 2:46:46 | 2:46:48 | |
you're brought up with a totally different view of what this woman was. | 2:46:48 | 2:46:51 | |
For one she's a she-devil and for another she's a saint. | 2:46:51 | 2:46:54 | |
So it's fascinating, it's a very dramatic story. | 2:46:54 | 2:46:57 | |
No wonder, Kirsty, that there are literally hundreds of plays, | 2:46:57 | 2:47:03 | |
operas and everything about these two women. | 2:47:03 | 2:47:06 | |
'At the age of 15, Mary married Francois, the Dauphin of France, | 2:47:06 | 2:47:11 | |
'but by her 18th birthday she was widowed and returned to Scotland.' | 2:47:11 | 2:47:16 | |
There she was, a widow and a virgin, | 2:47:16 | 2:47:19 | |
and she said, "My heart keeps watch for one who's gone." | 2:47:19 | 2:47:24 | |
And there she is in white, which is the colour of mourning. | 2:47:24 | 2:47:28 | |
No jewellery, very sober, | 2:47:28 | 2:47:30 | |
and the start of what's going to be a very hard life for her. | 2:47:30 | 2:47:34 | |
Because of course her mother died six months previously, | 2:47:34 | 2:47:37 | |
Mary of Guise had died in Edinburgh Castle, where she'd been put. | 2:47:37 | 2:47:42 | |
And she knew - she must have known at this point that she was | 2:47:42 | 2:47:46 | |
-entering an incredibly turbulent time. -I don't think she did. | 2:47:46 | 2:47:50 | |
I don't feel she did. | 2:47:50 | 2:47:51 | |
I feel that she came to Scotland and got a very rude awakening, really. | 2:47:51 | 2:47:56 | |
'Violence marred Mary's life. | 2:47:58 | 2:48:00 | |
'She witnessed the assassination of her secretary David Rizzio, | 2:48:00 | 2:48:04 | |
'and following the murder of her second husband, Lord Darnley, | 2:48:04 | 2:48:07 | |
'Mary married the Earl of Bothwell. | 2:48:07 | 2:48:09 | |
'Letters allegedly sent from Mary to Bothwell | 2:48:09 | 2:48:12 | |
'appear to incriminate the couple in Darnley's death.' | 2:48:12 | 2:48:16 | |
Of course we've got no proof that this is actually the truth, | 2:48:16 | 2:48:20 | |
but if you are a playwright like me | 2:48:20 | 2:48:22 | |
you'd be daft not to go for that story because it is a much better story. | 2:48:22 | 2:48:25 | |
But whether or not these letters are genuine | 2:48:25 | 2:48:28 | |
we don't historically know, but it seems to me | 2:48:28 | 2:48:32 | |
that Darnley murdered Rizzio, her secretary, her favourite, | 2:48:32 | 2:48:37 | |
because he was made very jealous, so he plotted with some nobles | 2:48:37 | 2:48:42 | |
and then Darnley had to be murdered as well, | 2:48:42 | 2:48:44 | |
probably by Bothwell and Mary, I think. | 2:48:44 | 2:48:48 | |
It was also essentially a tussle between two incredibly strong women. | 2:48:48 | 2:48:55 | |
At a time when by and large men were the ones who had power. | 2:48:55 | 2:48:58 | |
But here were two women fighting over thrones. | 2:48:58 | 2:49:01 | |
Yes - two women, two different kingdoms, | 2:49:01 | 2:49:05 | |
in the one little green island. I find that completely fascinating. | 2:49:05 | 2:49:09 | |
And they went about it in such a different way. | 2:49:09 | 2:49:12 | |
Elizabeth's such a wonderful character as well, | 2:49:12 | 2:49:15 | |
but what an irony that Elizabeth prevailed during her lifetime. | 2:49:15 | 2:49:19 | |
She never married, she never got into the position that Mary got into all the time | 2:49:19 | 2:49:23 | |
with men and sex and child-bearing, | 2:49:23 | 2:49:25 | |
because somebody could seize the child and get rid of the Queen. | 2:49:25 | 2:49:32 | |
So Elizabeth absolutely refused to do that, but the irony is | 2:49:32 | 2:49:37 | |
that of course it was then Mary's son who succeeded her. | 2:49:37 | 2:49:42 | |
-And it leads to the Union of the Crowns. -James the VI and I. | 2:49:42 | 2:49:47 | |
And the Union of the Crowns leads 100 years later | 2:49:47 | 2:49:50 | |
to the Union of the Parliaments, which might or might not be disentangled again. | 2:49:50 | 2:49:55 | |
-This is such an extraordinary thing of beauty. -And strangeness. | 2:49:58 | 2:50:02 | |
So what we think is that Mary and Bess of Hardwick | 2:50:02 | 2:50:06 | |
embroidered all these different, almost like, motifs. | 2:50:06 | 2:50:11 | |
Mm-hm. Symbolic motifs. | 2:50:11 | 2:50:14 | |
And then it was put together into this amazing... | 2:50:14 | 2:50:16 | |
The story of her life, told in a strange symbolic way, and we don't understand the symbols | 2:50:16 | 2:50:21 | |
necessarily, but we're kind of intrigued by them, and we know that | 2:50:21 | 2:50:25 | |
she was making up a sort of poetic version of her life within it. | 2:50:25 | 2:50:29 | |
The Dauphin is a dolphin, and things like this. | 2:50:29 | 2:50:33 | |
And a very strange representation of Darnley as a tortoise | 2:50:33 | 2:50:38 | |
climbing a palm tree. Incredible. | 2:50:38 | 2:50:41 | |
What does it say, something like "Virtue flourishes from its wounds"? | 2:50:41 | 2:50:47 | |
Very sad and strange. | 2:50:47 | 2:50:50 | |
Incredible feeling of melancholy comes of this | 2:50:50 | 2:50:54 | |
very beautiful, large embroidery. A real feeling of sadness. | 2:50:54 | 2:51:01 | |
And of course eventually she's been in captivity so long, | 2:51:01 | 2:51:05 | |
Elizabeth's put off signing her death warrant, and then there's finally the Babington Plot. | 2:51:05 | 2:51:11 | |
And here is this most extraordinary letter by Mary's son | 2:51:11 | 2:51:17 | |
begging for his mother's life. | 2:51:17 | 2:51:19 | |
To his godmother, Elizabeth I. | 2:51:19 | 2:51:21 | |
"Madam and dear sister, if you could have known | 2:51:21 | 2:51:25 | |
"what has agitated my mind..." | 2:51:25 | 2:51:27 | |
Could just really be PR, it could be him trying to convince | 2:51:27 | 2:51:31 | |
the Scottish people that he's sticking up for his mother, | 2:51:31 | 2:51:34 | |
but of course they're all in these incredible dilemmas | 2:51:34 | 2:51:37 | |
because they've got to be seen to be doing certain things. | 2:51:37 | 2:51:40 | |
It's very like politicians nowadays in so many ways - | 2:51:40 | 2:51:43 | |
people have to keep face up all the time. | 2:51:43 | 2:51:48 | |
And Elizabeth, when she's actually signing this death warrant, | 2:51:48 | 2:51:52 | |
she's got to convince herself that she's not really doing it. | 2:51:52 | 2:51:55 | |
And it's all those positions | 2:51:55 | 2:51:59 | |
that everybody was getting put into which are so difficult for them. | 2:51:59 | 2:52:02 | |
It's a difficult position that Mary's been in, | 2:52:02 | 2:52:05 | |
it's a terribly difficult position for Elizabeth to be in, | 2:52:05 | 2:52:08 | |
it's a difficult position for this son to be in, | 2:52:08 | 2:52:11 | |
to seem to condone the murder of his mother. | 2:52:11 | 2:52:14 | |
And he can't look as if he does. | 2:52:14 | 2:52:17 | |
So because there's all these dilemmas it makes a fantastic dramatic story. | 2:52:17 | 2:52:21 | |
Mary, Queen of Scots is at the National Museum of Scotland | 2:52:23 | 2:52:26 | |
until 17th November, and you can see a Culture Show special | 2:52:26 | 2:52:29 | |
on Leonardo da Vinci on Wednesday on BBC Two. | 2:52:29 | 2:52:33 | |
With space at a premium, everything from a public toilet to a climbing centre | 2:52:33 | 2:52:38 | |
have been transformed into a stage in Edinburgh. | 2:52:38 | 2:52:40 | |
One of the newest and most inventive venues is Summerhall, | 2:52:40 | 2:52:44 | |
formerly The Royal School of Veterinary Studies. | 2:52:44 | 2:52:47 | |
Launched in 2011, | 2:52:47 | 2:52:49 | |
it's quickly earned a reputation for its eclectic and edgy programming | 2:52:49 | 2:52:53 | |
of visual arts, theatre, dance, music, film and spoken word. | 2:52:53 | 2:52:57 | |
Summerhall is an artistic village, which is very special. | 2:53:04 | 2:53:07 | |
We have people here year-round - | 2:53:07 | 2:53:09 | |
studios, office space and artistic community coming together. | 2:53:09 | 2:53:12 | |
The Festival is our flagship month where we have a distinct programme. | 2:53:16 | 2:53:20 | |
It's really exciting, top-quality work | 2:53:22 | 2:53:24 | |
that we pitch to an audience between the Fringe and the International Festival. | 2:53:24 | 2:53:28 | |
One of the highlights at Summerhall this year is Michael Nyman's | 2:53:36 | 2:53:40 | |
Nyman With A Movie Camera, a pun both linguistic and visual | 2:53:40 | 2:53:44 | |
on Dziga Vertov's documentary classic Man With A Movie Camera. | 2:53:44 | 2:53:48 | |
Nyman, probably best known for his Oscar-winning film scores, | 2:53:50 | 2:53:54 | |
has been working on this most personal of projects for ten years. | 2:53:54 | 2:53:58 | |
But this is the first time he's been able to present it | 2:53:58 | 2:54:01 | |
in all its mesmerising complexity. | 2:54:01 | 2:54:04 | |
What I've had the good fortune to do here in Summerhall | 2:54:04 | 2:54:07 | |
was to realise a project that I've been thinking about | 2:54:07 | 2:54:10 | |
for the whole period that I've been editing and constantly re-editing | 2:54:10 | 2:54:14 | |
and filming, and constantly re-filming and adding new footage | 2:54:14 | 2:54:18 | |
to all these versions of Nyman With A Movie Camera. | 2:54:18 | 2:54:22 | |
Which is to show six, eight, ten different versions, simultaneously, | 2:54:22 | 2:54:29 | |
in a large room, with what I've always called a forest of screens. | 2:54:29 | 2:54:34 | |
This has never been possible to do until now at Summerhall. | 2:54:34 | 2:54:37 | |
On the one hand it is a very strict homage | 2:54:40 | 2:54:45 | |
to Dziga Vertov's Man With A Movie Camera. | 2:54:45 | 2:54:48 | |
But on the other hand in a sense I am the cameraman, | 2:54:48 | 2:54:51 | |
I am the photographer, | 2:54:51 | 2:54:53 | |
we're living in a digital age, it's a kind of huge explosion. | 2:54:53 | 2:54:58 | |
Summerhall's former incarnation as a vet school gives the venue | 2:55:06 | 2:55:10 | |
a brilliantly adaptable and highly idiosyncratic quality. | 2:55:10 | 2:55:13 | |
They say that in some of its 400 spaces, | 2:55:15 | 2:55:18 | |
you can still smell the formaldehyde. | 2:55:18 | 2:55:20 | |
In the former anatomy lecture theatre, | 2:55:23 | 2:55:26 | |
pianist and entertainer Will Pickvance is staging a show | 2:55:26 | 2:55:30 | |
named, appropriately enough, Anatomy Of The Piano. | 2:55:30 | 2:55:33 | |
The piano has evolved from two distinct genetic lineages. | 2:55:33 | 2:55:38 | |
'I've been playing pianos up and down the land for many a year,' | 2:55:38 | 2:55:42 | |
and I've often found that some of the cheaper, | 2:55:42 | 2:55:44 | |
more honky-tonk instruments have a generosity about them, whereas | 2:55:44 | 2:55:48 | |
some of the more expensive grand pianos can be a little bit mean-spirited. | 2:55:48 | 2:55:54 | |
So, I thought, I'll take a piano apart and see if | 2:55:54 | 2:55:58 | |
I can find out why that might be. | 2:55:58 | 2:56:00 | |
We see clearly that the grand piano has a spine | 2:56:00 | 2:56:04 | |
running down the left-hand side of the body. | 2:56:04 | 2:56:06 | |
The upgrade, by contrast, is spineless. | 2:56:08 | 2:56:11 | |
There is a nice symmetry obviously, because it's an old anatomy theatre | 2:56:13 | 2:56:17 | |
where they used to pull pigs and sheep and dogs and cows apart | 2:56:17 | 2:56:21 | |
and look at how they're put together, so why not a piano? | 2:56:21 | 2:56:26 | |
But it's going to be more humane. | 2:56:26 | 2:56:28 | |
It's been suggested that the grand piano might mate successfully | 2:56:28 | 2:56:33 | |
with the upright. | 2:56:33 | 2:56:35 | |
Producing a baby grand. | 2:56:35 | 2:56:39 | |
I have a love of pianos, and I wouldn't want to see one treated badly. | 2:56:39 | 2:56:42 | |
Summerhall is all about unexpected discoveries, odd collisions, constant surprises. | 2:56:54 | 2:56:59 | |
It's a place where carnival and celebration coexist with contemplation and reflection. | 2:57:05 | 2:57:10 | |
We were all sitting around the dinner table. It was about eight o'clock. | 2:57:15 | 2:57:19 | |
There were loud bangs... | 2:57:21 | 2:57:23 | |
Perhaps one of the most profoundly moving performances at Summerhall | 2:57:23 | 2:57:26 | |
this Festival is The Tin Ring. Based on the book of the same name | 2:57:26 | 2:57:30 | |
by Holocaust survivor Zdenka Fantlova, | 2:57:30 | 2:57:33 | |
it's an unforgettable testament to the strength of the human spirit. | 2:57:33 | 2:57:37 | |
They burst in. There was a lot of shouting, aggression. | 2:57:37 | 2:57:43 | |
"Aufstehen! | 2:57:43 | 2:57:45 | |
"Aufstehen! Achtung, achtung!" | 2:57:45 | 2:57:47 | |
They grabbed my father. | 2:57:47 | 2:57:49 | |
"Name?!" | 2:57:49 | 2:57:50 | |
He replied - "Ernst Fantl." | 2:57:50 | 2:57:54 | |
"What?!" | 2:57:54 | 2:57:56 | |
"Jew, Ernst Fantl" - and then they hit him. | 2:57:56 | 2:57:59 | |
The picture that stayed in my mind is my father | 2:58:01 | 2:58:04 | |
standing at the door, looking us over | 2:58:04 | 2:58:08 | |
as though he wanted to make a mental picture of the family, | 2:58:08 | 2:58:13 | |
and said only these words. | 2:58:13 | 2:58:15 | |
"Just keep calm. Remember, calmness is strength." | 2:58:16 | 2:58:23 | |
In certain situations there are only two types. | 2:58:23 | 2:58:26 | |
Those who consider themselves victims - well, | 2:58:27 | 2:58:30 | |
if you consider yourself a victim, you become a victim. | 2:58:30 | 2:58:33 | |
The other half - well, you know, actually it's less than half, | 2:58:35 | 2:58:40 | |
very few in fact - are observers. | 2:58:40 | 2:58:45 | |
I was an observer. | 2:58:45 | 2:58:47 | |
After 50 years, I conceived the idea that I have to write it down | 2:58:48 | 2:58:54 | |
as a document. | 2:58:54 | 2:58:55 | |
Not only about myself but about those who didn't make it, | 2:58:55 | 2:59:00 | |
and that will make a document for the future generations, as a warning. | 2:59:00 | 2:59:06 | |
Not only what happened, but what can happen again. | 2:59:07 | 2:59:11 | |
It didn't frighten me. | 2:59:11 | 2:59:13 | |
Because I wasn't a victim. | 2:59:13 | 2:59:15 | |
And if you're not a victim, you stand a better chance, of course. | 2:59:15 | 2:59:20 | |
I think what people get out of it - because I asked them once, | 2:59:21 | 2:59:27 | |
"What do you take home from this play?" | 2:59:27 | 2:59:30 | |
And the answer was, "The value of life." | 2:59:30 | 2:59:33 | |
Summerhall's Festival programme runs until 25th August. | 2:59:35 | 2:59:40 | |
We'll be back next Sunday with more from Edinburgh | 2:59:40 | 2:59:42 | |
on our regular review show, including Grid Iron's Leaving Planet Earth, | 2:59:42 | 2:59:46 | |
and an exhibition of work by Nam June Paik. | 2:59:46 | 2:59:49 | |
For even more highlights, including artist Peter Doig, | 2:59:49 | 2:59:53 | |
this year's standout stand-ups, | 2:59:53 | 2:59:55 | |
and an exclusive film from Scottish Ballet, | 2:59:55 | 2:59:57 | |
you can press red now to see At The Edinburgh Festival | 2:59:57 | 3:00:00 | |
presented by Sue Perkins, or watch on BBC iPlayer from tomorrow. | 3:00:00 | 3:00:04 | |
We leave you tonight with music from Steel Harmony, long-term | 3:00:05 | 3:00:08 | |
collaborators with the artist Jeremy Deller, who has an exhibition | 3:00:08 | 3:00:12 | |
at Jupiter Artland, a sculpture park on the edge of the city. Goodnight. | 3:00:12 | 3:00:16 | |
MUSIC: "Love Will Tear Us Apart" by Joy Division | 3:00:18 | 3:00:20 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 3:02:40 | 3:02:42 |