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This programme contains strong language.

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Tonight we are cutting a swathe through the Edinburgh Festival. The

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Mirror Mir has a ball with Cinderella. Tangled lives in Zadie

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Smith's latest novel, NW, that launched at the book festival.

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Through a glass darkly, Vanishing Point's menacing new drama explores

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internet porn. There is art everywhere. Symbolism at the

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National Gallery. The new sound of the One o'Clock Gun. Happenings at

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the surprise venue, Summerhall. All that and Dylan's new album,

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Tempesst. We will have live music from the

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fringe tribute of Christine Bovill to Edith Piaf. Joining me the

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doyenne of stage, Maureen Lipman, writer and critic, Paul Morley, and

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Sarah Crompton, arts editor of the Telegraph, who does a sports column

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for the paper on the side. The Mirror Mir from St Petersburg is

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the company that gave us Nureyev, and Pavlova back in the day. They

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are here with a staging of Cinderella. The current Artist-in-

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Residence with the American Ballet Theatre, Alexei Ratmansky. We

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filmed at their dress rehearsal. Cinderella has long been a staple

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of the ballet world. But it has taken ten years for Alexei

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Ratmansky's interpretation of this ration to riches story to reach

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audiences in Britain. For these performances, Prima ballerina takes

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the role. The renowned Valery Gergiev directs the score.

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director is an extraordinary conductor, he's known around the

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world. He does very nice music. He doesn't

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conduct so often with the ballet. Because it is a bit different. You

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have to go with the ballerina, with the soloist, or the ballet, and he

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plays more sim phonic. When he conducts it. You have to keep up

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with his tempos. The Ugly Sisters, and evil stepmother, are

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traditionally played as grotesques, but putting graceful ballerinas in

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the roles, Ratmansky has a different take on the villains.

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this special performance, the stepmother was made on a young

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She could be the wife of the Prince. The thing is, I think it is special

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for the Mirror Mir, they are more different in movement and classical,

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-- the Mir theatre, they are more different in movement and classical.

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It has a more dance style. A lot of A lot of people know this ballet,

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but Ratmansky's also quite a classical choreographer. But it

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seems to be quite different from what you would think of a classical

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ballet? It is very modern and updated and bare in the way it is

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set. The thing about Ratmansky is he's based in the classical steps.

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He's interested in different moments, quirky movement. He

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creates a classical ballet. Where nobody just dances, everybody has

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something to say. And He's wonderful, the whole

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characterisation of the stepmother as Mary Portis. The seasons done as

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punk, it is Ratmansky from ten years ago. He has said himself, he

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wasn't asked to do the staging of it, he said he would change it and

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is changing it as we speak? doing the same things we did ten

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years ago -- he did ten years ago he has to amend to be up to speed.

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It is hard to know the language going on. At times I swerved all

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over the place with it. At times I thought it was a weird Opening

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Ceremony for when Victoria Beckham goes to buy shoes. And then an

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inordinate amount of detail for a fairytale, and sticking on the

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clownness and the mime, break ago I way from the classical steps,

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verging on -- breaking away from classical steps. After a long

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evening, I missed some of the characters, 86 people on stage, it

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is energetic, once you breakthrough the formality, it is very moving.

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Long the way did you miss the sign posting? We know Cinderella goes to

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the ball in a pumpkin, there is no mice, no fireplace. The fairy

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godmother is bag lady, bent double. It is gorgeous, I had a wonderful

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time, if I didn't know the story of Cinderella. The wonderful thing is

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we were lucky, we heard Gergiev conducting, which makes the music

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glisten. The other thing that is wonderful about the production is

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how responsive it is to the music. It has a melancholy undertow. I

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loved the final pas de deux, it is touching happiness, notes grabbing

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it. When the Prince comes on and he's vain, and he's a bit full of

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himself. Then he's totally taken over by that wonderful girl. Isn't

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she, she's made of steam and breath and gossamer, just wonderful.

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What about the fact that Gergiev was there conducting. It gave the

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music a prominence that often, when I go to a bl let, I'm so stuck on

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the -- ballet, I'm so stuck on the ballet, I was listening for more

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the music? That was interesting, there was a power coming from a

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discreet place that you couldn't ignore, that is why, occasionally

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it felt like the music was the lead, and what was happening on stage was

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secondry it was discreet and humble, almost. I felt after the third or

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fourth interval he definitely had a lick of paint in his hair. There

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was a discreet performance going on down there. That was what was

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ultimately powerful beyond the kitschness of the performance. The

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orchestra was incredible. They suddenly went to Spain and they had

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those dancing boys as Aryan blonde boys, what was that to Cinderella.

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That is Professor trying to make a ballet sequence of variations,

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where he travels the world. The sort of thing you had in classical

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ballet. For all the choreographers who have tackled it, it is a

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problem, the story stops. If you were to place the Mirror Mir ballet

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now, what -- miornmiornmiorn ballet now, what would you say -- ballet

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company now what would you say? They reflect they are amazing, they

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have loads. Have you ever seen arms like that. Their physical presence

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was incredible, it is like they were bred in some laboratory for.

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That I'm talking about the men. There are two more performances of

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Cinderella tomorrow in Edinburgh. Life in London has an enduring

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appeal for novelists, earlier this year John Lanchester published

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Capital, which we discussed in March. Now Zadie Smith returns to

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the streets of her manor, where she was for White Teeth.

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NW is about a group of thirty- somethings, all trying to find

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their way in the capital. Zadie Smith's first novel, White Teeth

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was published in 2000, when she was 24. It won a number of major awards,

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she was hailed as a precocious literary talent. Set in the streets

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of Willesden, the book explored roots, religion in a multi cultural

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neighbourhood in London, and subsequently adapted for Channel 4.

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I'm from the Cricklewood kingdom, where we the witness of Jehova, are

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waiting for the Lord to come with his presence, bringing with them

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the three-fold Armageddon. Now she The novel follows four characters,

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now in their 30s, whose lives have taken very different paths since

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their upbringing on a council Zadie Smith explores form and

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chronology, and brings patwah that elect fies the dialogue. Is she

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looking at North West London from afar, or is she, once more, happy

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to be home. She makes you work hard on this

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story, did you feel you were working hard? Very hard. It says

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curl up with it, sail vour every sentence, turn around and re-read

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it. That is precisely what I had to do. I felt very alienated by the

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style. The writing is diamond brilliant, the dialogue, in fact,

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it is probably more of a film script than it is a novel. It is

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straight from the page to the screen. All the characters are very

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well delinyailted. Because it keeps -- delineated, just it keeps

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chopping and changing in characters, just when you get interested in

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someone you go on to another one. Because you get cuts and flashbacks,

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lots of dialogue, quotation marks and without dash, you don't know if

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they are speaking or not. Because that have it is jagged, it is very

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savage, this book. You meet Lea and Natalie, late on, reversing through

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their lives, you get all the codas to explain what is going on. We

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were talking about the dialogue, mixed in with the description and

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the pat what and everything else. She rewards -- patwah and

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everything else, she rewards you after a while of reading, you

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suddenly know what is going on? could enter the book at any stage,

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when you do finish it you really want to begin it again, you realise

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you can come in at any point. What I loved about it, where it made up

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for John Lanchester's Capital, it is an experimental book. The whole

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point of living and getting on in London, you have to have a

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experimental personality. A great London novel, it might not be "the"

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great one, but it is in the top ten. You never know where you are. Where

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she goes from one to 185, that is where it started to sink. These are

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the lists? It is random, it takes detours, it is like a walk around

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London. It is information about what is happening? It was a map

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about North West London t transcends it, it could be about

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anywhere, it is about getting on in a city. There are four main

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characters, Felix, Nathan, Lea and Natalie, and one called Keisha, she

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nails female friendship in a way. She's happiest concentrating on her

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two characters? I adored it, I couldn't put it down. I was

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absolutely engrossed in it. She's so brilliant, observationally, on

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what Poundland is like, and people eating outside. The women inhabit

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that world. She gets into their mind brilliantly. I thought she

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wrote about women and children better than anyone I can think of

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recently. How they navigate their lives in relation to her. She's

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very harsh on them sometimes. Zadie Smith, I have read, said she

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doesn't actually like Natalie, in the sense that Natalie is not a

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likeable person. It is a real accomplishment to get to you like

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Natalie, or get you into that book? You admire her in way, you can see

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where she's come from. She does occasionally patronise her

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characters. How do you mean about children, mothers and daughters she

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gets quite well with Natalie and, with Leah and her Irish mother, and

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the way Leah sends up her mother, but actually is very reliant on her.

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But children? I think where the relationship, the way that lowia

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decides she doesn't want children. -- Leah decides she doesn't want

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children. The assumption that everything is her moving towards a

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fulfilled life with children. She rejects that, her ambivalence about

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the definition of that, then as you come back later in it, Natalie has

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similar ambivalence but similar journey, that is not written about,

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women not wanting children. thought she was quite judgment

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mental, and also I found the characters, like the wonderful

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junkie, absolutely wonderful. the actress on the roof and Felix's

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lover? We haven't been able to talk about him, because he's a third

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character. I love how she manages to do a 25 years of the 21st

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century, and what happened to the different sensibility we have as

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things change. We don't want to give away what happens, you are

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right about Felix, he's a promising character, I felt cheated I didn't

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know him better? We are pulled up short. It is very jagged. But you

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do love him. He actually, in some ways, I have said the women

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characters are better drawn. He has got the great comic vignette, where

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he sells a car to another posh drugy, and that's brilliantly done.

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You are with him in the pub, with the used money in his hand. I loved

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it. It is impressionist. The way she talk about it, in the book,

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hearing a conversation outside Poundland in Kilburn, she as a

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great antenna for conversations, picking them up on our behalf.

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seems pretty extraordinary to me this is not on the Booker long

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list? It makes you think the novels must be brilliant if it is not

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considered. It has a wildness about it, that is not in the tonal

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blandness that is required. That is what I loved about it so much, it

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didn't have that control. It is wild. It makes you work hard.

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a proper novel. There is alienation, and this stream of consciousness,

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Joycey and Virginia Woolf thrown in. It has warmth, which is rare in a

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structural complicated novel. a great balance. Decide if it

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should be in the Booker long list. We interrupt the festival programme

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to bring you something special. There was excitement in the Review

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office when Bob Dylan's next album was delivered to the BBC. Would

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Tempest, his new self-produce the record hit us like a Hurricane.

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While much of Dylan's recent output has received warm reviews, a new

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release always creates a fever of specktation. Some pundits suggested,

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that Tempest was to be dill Dylan's swan song. Dylan has quashed these

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rumours saying he has no intention of laying down his guitar.

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Listen to that Duquesne Whistle blowing.

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Sue fused with dark themes, from a blow-by-blow account to the

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assassination of his friend, John Lennon, and love stories that end

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in death and destruction. The cast of musicians is familiar

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from Dylan's recent albums, and Tempest is self-produced under his

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occasional pseudonym, Jack Frost. Fans can catch a glimpse of the

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ageing Troubadour in the video of the new single Duquesne Whistle, a

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grand old ramp on railroad songs. # Listen to the Duquesne Whistle

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blowing # Blowing like she never blowed

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before # Blue light rigging

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# Red light blowing # Blowing like she's about to take

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the door Paul, you have been listening all

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day, we have all been listening all day. Did it catch you off guard?

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have been searching for praises, to sing -- phrases to sing its praises.

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I don't know if there is an original line, riff or phrase on it,

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it is unbelievably original. Because it is Bob Dylan's fifth

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album, it doesn't matter most things are nicked or stolen. It is

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extraordinary, it is a double album. I don't know if anyone knows what

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that means, if it was like the old days it would be Blonde on Blonde,

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I would put it up there with it, it is extraordinary. For a number of

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reasons, not least that because 20 years ago we thought he was on the

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way out. The fact he has come alive, about the idea that he might be

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dying, it is clearly not, it is his most confident album. His voice is

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spectacular, I have heard it speaking, his voice is glorious?

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is kind of controlled growl, really. It is wonderful sound. The band is

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amazing. The sound of it, it has got this madden ghee, and you can't

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believe he's 7 -- maddener ghee, you can't believe he's 71.

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voice is now, I thought it was Louis Armstrong, he loves the way

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he sounds now. That's what's happened to him. He has come round

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full circle, he's doing chaingang songs, sea shanties. It is so

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blokeish. He's loving the voice, he has the voice he has always wanted,

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fantastic, he's trying to get the by star sound now, Scott Lit, he

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has done REM albums, and the steel guitar is amazing. Dylan is a

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psycadelic historian, he's wonderful at raiding history and

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putting it together. He's telling us history of all sorts of things.

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It sounds ancient but incredibly contempry one of the most exciting

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things about it, here is the guy that almost started the very idea

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of what a long-playing record of, here at the end of what that

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history is, there he is again, telling us what this thing is, it

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is a work of art. It is a work of art and he's telling us for the

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35th time that it is a work of art. He's telling us stories again, of

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Titanic, in his way? Leonardo DiCaprio is in with the historical

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thing. It is so dirically rich. You have a -- lyrically rich, you have

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a Sutton Who line, you have this wonderful creativity with words.

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There are all these little samplings of little people that are

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made into ballads. It's like he waited and this is the moment he

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wants to talk about John Lennon. That comes after a huge pause,

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Titanic goes on for three years. verses. Then there is a long pause,

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then I thought that is going off, on came John Lennon, Godliness me.

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You sink the Titanic, and then there is more, the John Lennon is

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very beautiful and he's acknowledging the end of a life.

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There is a line about the last heart beat and what a moment that

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was. It is a bit like being trapped in a cellar somewhere with 15

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Irishmen. Listen, let's have another quick burst of Duquesne

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Whistle. # Listen to that Duquesne Whistle

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blowing # Blowing like she's blowing right

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Tempest will be relosed on the 10th of September -- released on the

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10th of September. Glasgow may be the breeding ground for Turner

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Prize winner, but in August the Edinburgh Art Festival is an

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explosion of installations and happenings. Now in its ninth year,

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the Edinburgh Art Festival collates a packed programme, with 51

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exhibitions in 30 venues across the city. Encompassing everything from

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Picasso to paintings by Harry Hill. The festival's flagship commission

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this year is a new sound work from Susan Philip, who won the Turner

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Prize in 2010. Timeline reflects the history of one of Edinburgh's

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most sonic landmark, the One o'Clock Gun. Timeline is a sound

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intervention that cuts through the city in a straight line from six

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different locations. I discovered this time gun map that showed you

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how long it took for the sound of the gun to travel across the city.

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That made me think about sound in a city wide scale.

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It is my own voice, where I'm singing three harmonising notes,

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from all of these six locations. The former veterinary college of

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the university of Edinburgh, has been reinvented as Summerhall, a

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venue for fringe performances and art. There are key couture pictures

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and headwear, photographed by rank kin.

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There is an exploration of the body politics in video. Belgian artist,

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Jean Pierre Muller, uses sculpture and sound in a street scape to tell

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the story of some of the 20th century's greatest producers and

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musicians. At the Scottish National Gallery Van Gogh to Kandinsky.

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"Don't paint the thing you paint but the thing expected" proved

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inspiration. There was Monet, gauing again, and lesser known

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artists like Walter Crane and others. The show presents symbolist

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painting as a frame of mind, rather than a district style or artistic

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movement. This idea of a frame of mind. Do

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you think the exhibition hangs together as a prop gaigs. I think

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it -- proposition? I think it does, but I don't agree with it. There is

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a lot of paintings from people you don't see much. It is exciting. You

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go around having an argument in your head, if the idea of the

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symbolism is about the idea, and the mood, not the thing, is Monet

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is a symbolist, does he pay haystacks because he wants to paint

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mood or see what the light did. I'm inclined to think it is the latter.

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I liked how it made you argue with yourself on the way round. It has

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my favourite painting, the Van Gogh, reaper in the field. I thought it

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was a symbol of him imposing order on the world, he paints it from the

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asylum window. Then I thought maybe it is about death. You have this

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conversation. That is the proposition put forward in the

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exhibition? You have the conversation with yourself is, I

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found that utterly fascinating. have looking Asim bowlism as a

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cultural bulwark, with the Finnish artists - as symbolism as cultural

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bulwark, with the Finnish artists they were using it as a symbol of

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Finnish culture. That was a thread running through. The artist on the

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cover, that was extraordinary? were, when you come to the palace

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with the horse and the statue, and he's turning away, is that to do

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with the end of the Hamashoy, or is that just what he wanted to paint

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that day. The intensity, particularly the intensity that is

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just about catching that moment in the evening. Capturing that scene,

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not as a naturalist scene, but as what it made you feel inside?

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yes. Go on. You're too polite, Paul! It makes you follow a story

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it has decided to tell. Sometimes you yes or no for a break up of

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chronology, a break up of not following a certain thesis, it is

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too academic for the minds and mentality and the paintings in it.

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It is glorious, and fantastic stuff, I love the Scandinavian moments

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that throw up. They branded it to get you in. But it is some of the

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more obscure artist that is are more exciting? Van Gogh and

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Kandinskys, there is two Mondrians, and that response he had to Steiner,

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about atmosphere and colour, in terms of psychology. I sometimes

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wished there was more, a more abstract way of compieming some of

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this material, because it -- compiling some of the material,

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because it doesn't flow. Six or seven great rooms with fantastic

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paintings in, but the curating idea that it is carrying a narrative

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annoys you, you want a wildness that represents the spirit of some

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of those paintings. They give you some amazing paintings. And to see

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the Van Gogh is unbelievable, with music. There was the Kandinsky

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together saying the music and colour tonally was incredible.

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the end you could see paintings as a score, which is Majestic to see

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that moment happen. Let's talk about Susan Philips, the Turner

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Prize winner. It is what she regards as being her own voice on

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the One o'Clock Gun, a bit like the Duquesne Whistle! I would imagine.

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The sound that starts the Dylan album, it shows you how amazing a

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sound can be to start a moment in history. Not that I heard this one.

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You have to be incredible alert, it is a very quick sound. I thought

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one advantage was it made you look at things in Edinburgh I had never

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looked before, which is the ball falling on Nelson's monument. I

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thought it was, it is so fleeting almost it is not to be there.

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fast. But the sight of the three of us standing in a cemetery. Full of

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David Hum, he's grave, trying to hear it. I like t a lot of the work

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is about the dispersal of songs and sound into an inaudible hum. I

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thought it was meant to be that way. It is Majestic. That is very

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symbolistic. You saw Edinburgh unfold again, and the hidden

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corners you don't know until you are reminded. Another hidden corner

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is Summerhal, people talking about the festival becoming slicker and

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slicker, then the wildness and craziness of 500 rooms at Summerhal.

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I loved it, I'm so happy someone has taken an old building and made

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it relevant and interesting and community centre. Completely mad,

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the operating rooms are still there, there is bits of old animal on the

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wall. It is fantastic. Palm Hoggs, amazing couture, slightly bondage,

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is in a room where they were clearly hanging horses and

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dissecting them until a year ago? There is crazy energy about this

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programme tonight, and Summerhal a wonderful place. You go in and feel

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inspired by all the things. The fact it is dispersed, it is over

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two-and-a-half acres, you fall across things all the time. You are

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constantly turning corner noose rooms where you think you will --

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corners into rooms where you think you will come across the skal

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velvet Underground playing. It is great because the previous

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exhibition didn't have it. When you talk about the Velvet Underground,

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when you look what was happening? Some decrepit rooms and you stumble

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into them, they haven't been done you have at all, you have a

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brilliant artist and fantastic pieces that spring from room-to-

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room. You see Emin has come, Sturnham Barley, you loved that,

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you really find out for you -- yourself. You have the David

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Micolet room, the room is a installation of slowed down images

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he made of naked people, mainly against black, high-definition -

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moving, it goes to seven minutes. He has made a piece called Slow

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Dancing, that is also on. He's a brilliant artist, it is not just

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the trick of slowing down the motion, it is how he then arranges

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it. He makes a trip-tick of motion. It speaks across the screens. He's

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a really significant artist, and clever Summerhall, they

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commissioned him, he's not commissioned in this country. That

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is another tick, bringing in this work. You sit on bean bag, except I

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was too rivets to sit. And you watch these beautiful, beautiful

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bodies. You could do a programme on what you see in Summerhall, every

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city should have one. I read about Karen, she ice-skates naked with

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her cat it is said, I thought, that will be a laugh! Another role for

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you! Do not fear, because the exhibitions at Summerhall are open

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to the end of September. The Scottish National Gallery continues

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until the end of the October. The Edinburgh International Festival

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brings work from all around the world to the city stages, but gives

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a platform for work from Scotland. One of the premiers come from the

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theatre company, Vanishing Point, it may have the whimsical-sounding

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title, Wonderland, but it is for adult eyes only.

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Please, help me, I'm scared. I just want to go home. Wonderland was

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inspired, in part, by a documentary, about a young British woman's

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experience in the American porn industry. Working without a script,

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director Matthew Lenton began by exploring the reasons why people

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make and watch pornography. The air feels thicker. Your skin feels

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sticky. Something stinks. The play uses live projections, as well as

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an inner stage, encased in glass, to present a multilayered approach,

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to the moral questions raised by violent pornography. This is how

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you say hello, is it. No handshake. This is the way we do business.

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watch Alice, a young girl who gets given the name Heidi, and who may

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or may not be lost in the world of sado-masochistic skin flicks.

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really don't want to do it now. are beautiful, take off your

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fucking bra. We also see John, sometimes known as Michael, a

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family man, who slips out to watch extreme porn while his wife sleeps.

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Blown up on a large screen, the audience sees what John sees and

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more, blurring the boundaries between performance and reality,

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and asking us to confront the complicity of the voyeur. Is that

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what you want, Michael, you want me to be your little girl. And then

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what? In private, whatever you like. Wonderland takes its audience on a

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challenging adventure, but could this particular journey be a little

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too dark for some? Maureen, as both a director and a performer, this is

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such hugely ambitious work in terms of technically, and also an

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ambitious subject? Let me start by saying that the acting is superb,

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in my opinion. Particularly the leading lady, hums Hulse. The --

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Jenny Hulse. The staging is behind a sort of box, we look into it,

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again with the alienation, however, it was so hard-hitting and so well

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done, I thought, that I couldn't watch. Actually the subject of the

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pornography, and the way, at one point, we had something that looked

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like it was going to be very graphic, I didn't know where to

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look, it lost me there. But I have to say it was beautifully put

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together. I thought it was just hell. You know, far from to say, I

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thought it was a good idea with Alice being curious, about

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curiosity in the modern world and where it takes you. I thought they

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workshoped it and not got anywhere. Let's be clear about this. This was

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an unscripted piece. It was a devised piece. I felt they hadn't

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got far enough. What they ended up doing was simply putting images of

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exploitation on to the stage. I agree it was well act, I thought it

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did look wonderful. The lighting was fantastic. The way it looked

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for me was more problematic, it sucked all the humanity out of it.

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I felt it was exploitive, it was exactly the thing that it was

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supposedly giving us a critque of. The sound was a one note of what

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was on stage. No change of atmosphere? That is difficult, when

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you tackle this subject you have to do it. The other difficulty is

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tackling the Internet, which is a tricky thing to deliver. It is

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something about the venue, there was many things about arriving at

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it, it was old as an Alice in Wonderland, which it wasn't and a

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famous celebrity. I wonder if it was at one of the dirtier rooms at

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Summerhall it would have been better. A very important subject,

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but you come away thinking it was an Opening Ceremony for wanting to

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go home and have a damn good cry. He does say he wants to take you

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further than he knows you want to go. That is the part of it that is

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devised. The problem is devised theatre, they get a fantastic

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amount of rehearsal time, they get 18 weeks, ten months, the rest of

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us get three weeks and it is judged on the same standards. Do you think

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the work, then, if it is collaborative, do you think in the

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end it is a directed work, or is it the actors at play? You get great

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performances and you never get a play. And I felt that if they were

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going to do it, they should have used the rehearsal time to be

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intellectually rigorous, to explain something, instead of simply

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setting it before us, as a series of deeply unpleasant images. I

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don't see how that justifies putting on a play of this sort.

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needed to be immersed in it. It seemed to be one of the plays where

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we needed to be involved in it some how. I think that comes back to the

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staging. Behaves the Lyceum was a strange place to have -- by having

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the Lyceum, it was a strange place to have it. You can't be led

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everywhere though? They don't explain anything. For me the most

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interesting character is the husband, who supposedly is a normal

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man, and who is led into his deep e, darkest desires, but you don't know

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anything about him, not a thing. I thought, come on, tell me something.

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Did is matter if we didn't know whether the girl was his daughter.

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You feel you were luck turd about anything that was bleeding obvious.

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You nationwide -- you needed context about the subject.

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mystified why you were prepared to make the journey with NW and this

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one you find it difficult to accept a series of impressions, which is

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all it is. For me, NW has more a richness and warmth towards it t

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which this does not have. doesn't have warmth, because it is

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not a warm subject. In 85 sections it did, it covered so much ground,

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this didn't. It covers three pieces of ground. We have to agree to

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disagree. That is the best way on the review show. My thanks tonight

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to my guest. We will be back at the beginning of object. But we will

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leave you with one of the Edinburgh fringe's big e hits. Here is

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Christine Bovill with -- biggest hits, here is Christine Bovill with

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her Edith Piaf. Le ciel bleu sur nous peut seffondrer Et la terre

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peut bien secrouler Peu mimporte si tu maimes Je me fous du monde

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entier Tant qulamour inondra mes matins Tant que mon corps fremira

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sous tes mains Peu mimportent les problemes Mon amour puisque tu

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 46 seconds

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#Jirais jusquau bout du monde #Je me ferais teindre en blonde Si tu

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me le demandais #Jirais decrocher la lune #Jirais voler la fortune

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# If one day we had to say goodbye # And our love

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# Should fade away and die # In my heart

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# You will remain Dear

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# And I'll sing a hymn to love # Those you love

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# Will live eternly # In the bloom

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# Where all is harmony # With my voice

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# Raised high # To heaven

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# Just for you # I'll sing

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