Episode 11 Debatable

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

Hello and welcome to Debatable, where today,

one player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to walk away

with a jackpot of over £2,000, but as always, they're not on their own.

They will have a panel of well-known faces debating their way to

the answers. Will they help or will they hinder? That's debatable.

So, let's meet them. On today's show, we have comedian Tim Vine,

Paralympian Tanni Grey-Thompson, and writer and comedian Susan Calman.

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So, that's the panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Amanda from Enfield. CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

-Welcome to the show.

-Hi, Patrick.

-How are you doing?

-Very well, thank you.

-Tell us a little bit about yourself.

-I work part-time as a teaching assistant in

a primary school and I've been there nearly 15 years.

And I absolutely love it.

-And tell us a little bit about your family.

-I've got two boys.

Married to David. And my oldest son has just...

Well, we've got a little granddaughter. She's three years old.

And at present, they're living with me at the moment -

my oldest son and his wife.

What are you hoping today from this fine panel helping you, Amanda?

What am I hoping?

I'm just hoping that they can help me and advise me and I can pull

on their knowledge and hopefully we can come up with some good answers.

OK, what have you got to offer Amanda today, Susan?

I think I'm quite calm, considered, I have a huge pool of knowledge.

-I've got a lot of things in here that will hopefully help you.

-OK.

Tim?

I know things for example like Anne Boleyn had a brother called Tenpin.

-Now...

-LAUGHTER

-So, I'm with you all the way, Amanda.

-All right.

You see, Amanda, what you need to pull this team of random knowledge together, you need

a born winner in the middle,

who is going to take control of this panel, Tanni.

So, I spent 20 years of my life as an elite athlete,

-training 15 times a week, 50 weeks of the year, travelling the world.

-Yes.

I now work in politics, so as long as you don't ask me geography,

sport, politics, history and literature, I'm your person.

Basically, what the panel is saying there, Amanda,

is you could be on your own.

Yeah, I could be, but I don't know, somehow I think they'll be quite useful.

You need to pay close attention to what they say because of

course at the end, you will be playing the Final Debate,

you can only choose one of them, so keep your eye on them,

-check what they say.

-I will do.

-OK, ready to play?

-I'm ready, yes.

Let's play round one. CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

OK, Amanda, you'll know that round one is multiple choice.

We have four possible answers. Only one of them is correct.

Three questions in this round.

£200 up for grabs for each correct answer.

A possible £600. Let's see how you go. Best of luck. Question one.

I don't think it's St Andrews. And I don't think it's Durham.

I think I would like some help, if that's OK.

Let's see if the panel can help you out on this one.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

-Right, what do you guys think?

-Well, the one thing I do know is I worked in North Carolina...

-OK.

In Durham.

So Durham is Duke University, which is another famous American college.

-So that's a definite cross off.

-Durham is in North Carolina.

-Right.

-Definitely.

There was a wheelchair company that built racing chairs and they

were Cambridge Massachusetts.

-Right.

-Yes.

-So, Boston area. So my first thought would be Cambridge.

-It's interesting. Susan, you've ruled out Durham.

-Mm.

Tanni, you've said possibly Cambridge.

-I'm going to go with you two.

-I do know this one.

Do you know it, do you think?

Well, a long time ago when I thought about getting a proper job,

I did want to go to Harvard University.

And it's Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Well, I'm more than happy to go with the certainty that

-Susan Calman is showing over there.

-OK.

So, we are absolutely certain the answer is Cambridge, Massachusetts.

OK, Amanda. The panel quite certain with this one.

They seem to be, don't they? Yeah.

And I think I'm going to go with them.

-You're saying Cambridge, Massachusetts.

-Yes. I am.

-Yes.

-OK. For £200, the correct answer is...

-It is!

-Yay! Thank you!

-APPLAUSE

-Cambridge, Massachusetts.

-Thank you.

-Well done.

-Very good, thank you.

-Well played.

-Thank you, panel.

Well played, panel. The city was originally called Newtowne.

1636 saw the founding of New College,

which went on to become Harvard University.

In 1638, Newtowne was renamed Cambridge,

in honour of Cambridge University.

Amanda, you're off to a flying start. You're up to £200.

-Brilliant. Thank you.

-APPLAUSE

-Delighted. Thank you.

-Here comes your second question.

I don't know. Something in my mind says it could be Mickey Mouse.

-Well, hold that thought.

-Yeah.

-Listen to what everyone else says.

-All right, panel.

-Your debate starts now.

-Do either of you speak Italian?

Well, I don't speak Italian,

no, but I feel as though I've seen a programme about Mickey Mouse

and the popularity of the early cartoon character Mickey Mouse,

and that very much rings a bell for me, Topolino, as being Mickey Mouse.

-That's what I'm leaning towards strongly.

-Mm-hm.

I thought I remember sort of early Mickey Mouse having a hat.

-So I don't know if that's why I was thinking Topolino.

-Yeah.

The reason I think it's Mickey Mouse is a very fashionable reason.

There used to be a shop in Glasgow and they used to have

a whole rack of Mickey Mouse T-shirts from around the world.

-Oh, lovely.

-I've got one with, like, Kentucky on it and stuff.

And I seem to recall there was one with Topolino and Mickey Mouse.

So that's from a vague memory.

Well, maybe I'll join my vague memory with your vague memory...

And we have a memory.

-One memory.

-Yeah, we have one memory.

So, we think the answer is Mickey Mouse.

So, a vague memory from Susan. A vague memory from Tim.

Put together and our panel believes it's Mickey Mouse.

And I believe they are right.

Cos I've got a strong feeling it is. Because it's universal, isn't it?

-I think I'm going to lock that in.

-OK.

-Yeah.

-You're going to go with the panel.

-Yeah, I am.

For £200, is Mickey Mouse known in Italy as Topolino?

-APPLAUSE He is.

-Thank you.

-Oh, delighted.

-Well played. Well done.

-Thank you, panel.

The name means little mouse in Italian.

Topo being the Italian for mouse.

And after that, we add £200 into your prize pot.

-You are now up to £400.

-Delighted, thank you.

APPLAUSE

£200 still up for grabs in this round.

Here comes your third question.

I really.. It's a subject that I'm not that great on, music.

So, I wouldn't have a guess at all. I really don't know.

So I think I'm really going to have to rely on the panel.

What we need is a panel that could potentially sing this song in

Unison and in tune and solve this very quickly.

Panel, your debate starts now.

I'll tell you one that it definitely is in it.

One of the verses ends with him going - Mar-i-lyn Mon-roe.

-OK.

-So that's definitely in it.

-OK.

-Yeah.

I think one of the verses has Doris Day in it.

Yeah, I thought Doris Day should be in there.

Can you remember any of the...?

The words have totally gone out of my head.

Yeah, me too. # We didn't start the fire

# It was always turning since the world was burning

# We didn't start the fire

# Joseph Stalin, ba-da-da... #

My instinct is it's Muhammad Ali that wasn't in it,

-but that's simply because..

-It's quite long, isn't it?

It's Mar-i-lyn Mon-roe.

That definitely finishes, I remember that one.

-Do-ris Day.

-My gut's Muhammad Ali, but it's simply...

I can't tell you definitively why.

But it's simply because I think Stalin probably was mentioned.

-I'm happy to go with that.

-Yeah, I'm happy, because it's quite...

-Well done, Susan. It's you again.

-Oh, no.

-Right, no pressure(!)

-You were right last time.

Um, we're pretty certain the answer...

-GASPS

-Pretty certain?

-Pretty certain?!

-OK, we're not certain at all.

But we think the answer might be Muhammad Ali.

-I'm happy to go with that. More than happy.

-That makes sense to you?

It does make sense.

The way Susan spoke about it and talked it through.

-So, yeah, I think so.

-You think Muhammad Ali is not in the song.

Yes.

-I do. Yes.

-OK.

We Didn't Start The Fire, for £200, the correct answer is...

Argh!

-APPLAUSE It is Muhammad Ali!

-Well done. Yes.

-Very good.

-Thank you.

-Well done, Susan.

-Yes, well done.

-Well done, panel.

-Well done, Amanda.

-Thank you. Well done, panel. Thank you. Yeah.

The song lists events from 1949 - the year that Billy Joel was born -

until 1989 when he released the song.

Here it comes.

# Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray,

# South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

# Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television

# North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe. #

And then we have the chorus.

And then it comes back with...

# Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev

# Rockefeller... #

-Well played, 100% in the first round. £200 brings you up to £600, Amanda.

-Delighted. Thank you.

APPLAUSE Very well done.

OK, well played, panel. Who do you think is standing out?

How do you think they're doing for you?

I think they're all great.

Susan at the moment, but I guess they'll all come into their own.

-We've got more to come.

-Oh, they may well come into their own.

Or they may not! LAUGHTER

-We'll have to see.

-Let's see how they are on pictures, as we play round two.

OK, Amanda, round two is the picture round.

You must place three pictures in the correct order.

Two questions in this round.

The money goes up to £300 for a correct answer. Best of luck.

-Here we go.

-OK, thank you.

There's been a lot of programmes, nature programmes,

on gorillas, I know.

I haven't seen too many on African elephants.

But I think I'm going to have to ask the panel again.

That's what they're here for.

Panel, let's see if you can help Amanda out here.

Your debate starts now.

Well, right.

Shall we see whether or not we agree on what the most endangered one is?

-Yeah.

-Oh.

I'd be inclined to lean towards the Bengal tiger as the most endangered.

Oh, Susan, are you not sure?

The reason I would disagree is I think the mountain gorilla is

-one of the most endangered species in the world.

-Is it? OK.

Simply because their habitat has been destroyed to such an extent.

So, my first thought was the African elephant was the least endangered.

-Yes, I would agree with that.

-I would agree with that.

-Yes, I agree with that.

-I think it is, but I think... Yeah.

I think Amanda's point that she's seen

a lot of programmes on gorillas.

I've seen a lot more recently on gorillas than I have on tigers.

Shall we move them to what we think?

We're going from least to most endangered.

-So we think that's the least endangered.

-Yes.

And then we've got them in... I think it's between...

Which ones of these...

I think the Bengal tiger has more recently joined the list.

-Uh-huh.

-So I think that order's OK.

-Why is it we all think that the

African elephant is the least endangered?

-Perhaps just because we haven't seen as many programmes about...

-Mm.

-OK.

So our answer is African elephant, Bengal tiger, and mountain gorilla.

-OK, Amanda.

-Yes. That's what I'm going to go with.

-You're going with the panel again.

-I'm going with the panel, yeah.

-I'm going with the panel.

-OK, £300, is that the correct order?

-It is!

-Oh! Well done!

-APPLAUSE

-Thank you.

-Good.

-Yeah.

Well played. Well done, panel.

The African elephant is listed as vulnerable.

There are less than 415,000 African elephants in the wild.

The Bengal tiger is endangered,

the mountain gorilla is listed as critically endangered.

You were right there, Susan.

And as of 2016, there are only estimated to be 880 in the world.

Extraordinary.

Well played, though, Amanda. Well sorted out. £300 in the prize pot.

-That takes your total up to £900.

-Brilliant.

APPLAUSE

Still one more picture question to go.

Here it comes.

Um, I don't know.

I've got an inkling that maybe Zara Phillips first,

but the other two, I'm not sure about.

So, could I ask your advice again?

Amanda, what we really need is someone on the panel who may

have been invited to every one of those Sports Personality of

the Year awards.

Since 1988.

Panel, your debate starts now.

-I don't want to influence.

-Tell us your gut instinct.

We want to be influenced by you.

So, Kelly Holmes definitely 2004 because when she won two

-golds in the Athens Olympics.

-Right.

I think Zara was after that.

I think she was 2007 or 2009.

-I think she was after Kelly.

-Right.

-So, I think David was first.

Let's just put these in the order that you think.

We can talk through it.

My feeling is exactly the same as that.

Really, I would put Zara last,

purely because of my knowledge of these two.

I agree with you completely it was 2004, Kelly.

And I would say that David Beckham was before Kelly Holmes.

And then, just by virtue of the fact there's one left over,

-I'd put Zara after those two.

-Yeah.

It all rings true for me, what you're saying, and you are in

-this situation the person to whom we must bow.

-Yeah.

-OK.

-Definitely.

-I am so sorry if we get this wrong.

So I think the answer is David Beckham,

Kelly Holmes, Zara Phillips.

So, you've heard what our panel have to say. But what do you think?

-I'm going to go with Tanni, I think.

-OK.

-Yeah.

Going with the panel again.

For £300...

..is that the correct order?

It is! APPLAUSE

-Thank you. Thank you so much.

-Well played, panel.

-Thank you so much.

-Well done, Amanda.

David Beckham won in 2001, following his last-minute goal against

Greece that brought England to the World Cup.

Dame Kelly Holmes won in 2004.

That marked her final major championships, the Athens Games.

Zara Phillips - now Zara Tindall - won in 2006. Well played, Tanni.

-Well played, panel.

-Thank you.

Amanda, at the end of round two, I mean,

you are clipping along so well here, £1,200.

-Brilliant. Thank you.

-APPLAUSE

Perfect. Thank you, panel.

OK, Amanda. Still £1,000 up for grabs, as we play round three.

In round three, you will face questions that contain three

statements about a person, a place or a thing.

-Only one of them is true. We need you to find the true statement.

-OK.

Each correct answer is worth £500. Here comes your first one.

How are you on board games?

-If I had to go for one, I'd probably go for backgammon.

-OK.

You're edging towards backgammon. OK, panel. Your debate starts now.

So, I don't think it was originally based on the streets of

Atlanta, Georgia.

No, is there a reason for that?

I raced there a lot and I don't think there's enough names -

this is not logical - that would go round a board,

because there's areas, Peachtree, and things like that,

but I don't think there's as many, like, famous landmarks.

Yeah, I think it was another city, other than London.

I think maybe New York or something.

You're right about Atlanta. Atlanta's quite a sprawling,

-strange place.

-There's not, like, a proper town centre.

-Yes.

-There's, like, a shopping mall and it's all just a bit straight.

-Yeah.

-Mm.

-Cluedo, one of my favourite games.

-Is it?

-Yeah, I love Cluedo.

I absolutely love Cluedo.

This is what I'm thinking, in the victim card thing,

is a black piece and in the back of my mind, something is saying

to me that that's possibly right, that it was Dr Black.

I was sort of feeling a bit like Amanda was alluding to that

-backgammon was...

-I don't want to sway it.

I think you're right that it's not Atlanta.

-My first reaction was backgammon.

-I bow to the superior knowledge...

-You've been really good.

-..of my panel mates.

-So backgammon?

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-Backgammon.

So, we think the answer is backgammon.

-The panel have gone for backgammon.

-They have, haven't they?

-You know what? I'm going to go with Susan.

-Oh, no, no, no! Amanda!

Amanda!

-She's got a point.

-Because if she's played it... I've never played it.

-So, you're going to go against the panel.

-I am.

And you're going to say that in the UK version of Cluedo,

the victim is called Dr Black.

Yeah.

Yeah, I am.

For £500, the correct statement is...

Oh...

APPLAUSE Well played, Susan!

Yes, thank you.

Very well played, Amanda.

In the UK version of Cluedo, the victim is called Dr Black.

-Well done, Susan.

-Well done. Thank you.

The original 1930s Parker brothers version of Monopoly was based

on the streets of Atlantic City, in New Jersey.

In the US version of Cluedo, the victim is called Mr Body.

You're up to £1,700. APPLAUSE

Wonderful. Delighted!

One question left in this round.

If you get it correct, it means you have done a clean sweep and you're

going to be playing for the maximum amount possible in our Final Debate.

It's all down to this one. Here it comes.

I have no idea. At all.

-None whatsoever?

-None whatsoever.

I think he was on a note.

-But I don't know whether it was a £20 note.

-Yeah.

Might have been a £10 note.

-So, panel, please!

-OK, panel. You've sorted it out so far for Amanda.

Can you help her with this one? The debate starts now.

I think Question Time's out, isn't it, really?

I don't think it's been going that long!

No, but was once credited for set design on Question Time...

The only thing they could have done is if they'd done

a Question Time from somewhere that Sir Christopher Wren designed.

-Yeah, exactly.

-As a hilarious joke,

they might have said - set design by Christopher Wren.

It's the only reason why that is possible.

And it's quite obscure and they do go all over the place.

-They do, yeah.

-All sorts of ornate buildings.

I agree Amanda's concern - I'm quite sure Sir Christopher Wren

has been on the back of a note,

but I couldn't definitely say whether it was a 20 or not.

My first reaction would have been he was an MP.

I don't know whether I'd have said the Liberal Party if I was

asked that, but I thought he'd been an MP.

I'm just trying to think, you know, Question Time on tour,

they kind of go to schools and leisure centres.

-My gut feeling's MP.

-My gut's the first one.

-I would have said MP.

-OK, well that's...

-Is that what you're going for?

-Yeah.

I mean, is that what we're going for?

If you two want to go for MP, I will go with it.

OK.

We think Sir Christopher Wren was elected as an MP for the

Liberal Party.

-OK, Amanda.

-OK.

OK.

Wacky question number one, because it could be. Like, you know?

It's possible.

And yet, I'm disregarding the £20 note one,

-but it could be the obvious one.

-It could be, yeah.

-Exactly.

Um, I'm going to go for C.

-Yes.

-OK, you're going for C, you're agreeing with the panel.

To keep the 100% run going, the correct statement is...

-Oh, no! Tim!

-He was once credited for set design on Question Time.

-Tim, I'm sorry.

-It's alright.

-Sorry, Tim.

In 2013, St Paul's Cathedral hosted an episode of Question Time.

At the end of the programme, Wren was credited as "set design,

-"Sir Christopher Wren".

-Oh, sorry!

He served as an MP on several occasions from 1685 until 1701,

he was not a member of the Liberal Party,

which did not come into existence until 1859. It was so close.

-So close.

-Tim was bang on. Tim was bang on the money there.

-Never mind.

It's still a great performance.

At the end of round three, your prize pot is £1,700.

-Lovely, perfect.

-APPLAUSE

Thank you.

A tidy little sum. If you manage to win the Final Debate today,

what are you going to do with the cash?

I would love to take my granddaughter to Lapland.

OK, all will be revealed in our Final Debate.

Now, in our Final Debate, you will face one question.

That question will have six possible answers.

Only three, of course, are correct.

You need all three correct answers in order to go away with the money.

I understand, yeah.

OK, Amanda, who would you like to join you for the Final Debate?

Will you take Tim Vine off the endangered panellist list?

Will you give yourself a sporting chance with Tanni Grey-Thompson?

Or will it be Susan Calman, with the lead piping in the drawing room?

I think it's going to have to be Susan.

Susan, would you please join us, as we play the Final Debate?

APPLAUSE

OK, Susan, Amanda has chosen you for the Final Debate.

I can sense the confidence from here.

As soon as you say, "I want to take my granddaughter on holiday

-"to Lapland," that's quite a lot of pressure, you know?

-Mm.

All I can say is I will do my absolute best to try and get

the money. That's all I can do, is try my best.

-Don't worry, she's only little, she won't know.

-Don't worry, we won't tell her till she's older.

-That's right, yeah.

-Amanda, because it's the Final Debate,

-you will choose from a couple of categories. Have a look at this and tell us what you fancy.

-OK.

Oh, my God!

I have no idea.

-How do you feel about numbers?

-Not great, Amanda.

-No.

-How are you on numbers?

-Not great either.

But I don't know what sort of numbers they're talking about.

-How do you feel about music?

-I'm no good on that.

-OK.

-This is not looking hugely positive.

-It's not, is it? No.

-It's not.

-What's the one we're least worst at?

-Probably music.

-Right.

-Yeah, let's go for that.

-So, we will go for the one that we're least worst at.

-Yeah.

-OK.

-Yeah, we'll go for music.

-OK, Amanda.

You're going for music, the one that you are least worst at.

-Yeah, we're ready.

-£1,700 up for grabs. We're going to put 45 seconds on the clock.

-We're wishing you all the best, Amanda.

-OK.

-Here's your Final Debate question on music.

OK, yeah.

-Your Final debate starts now.

-OK, right.

Spice Girls, I think, had one with 2 Become 1.

-OK.

-I think Take That had a number one at Christmas time, I think.

So it's the other ones, then.

Erm, did Madonna have one? Did Queen have one?

-Do you know anything about this?

-I have no idea, no. I don't know.

OK, Rihanna's quite modern.

-Isn't she?

-Yes. She's more modern.

-It could have been Rihanna.

-OK.

-The Spice Girls definitely had one.

-20 seconds.

I'm pretty sure Take That had a Christmas number one.

What about Queen? Do you think Queen?

-Had a Christmas number one...?

-Or Michael Jackson?

-I don't know.

-Ten seconds.

-Do you know...? It's your decision.

I would say take That, Spice Girls and I would go for something

-like Rihanna because...

-Yeah, OK.

-We don't know.

-No. I have no idea. No.

-Amanda, I need three answers.

-OK.

OK. Take That, Spice Girls, and Rihanna.

OK. Take That, Spice Girls, and Rihanna.

OK, Amanda. You know how the game works.

We need all three answers to be correct to go home with £1,700.

-I do.

-Best of luck. First, you said Take That.

Take That have a UK Christmas number one single...?

Is Take That a correct answer?

-No.

-I'm so sorry.

-Don't worry.

-I'm so sorry.

-I'm so sorry.

-I'm so, so sorry.

-Don't worry. No worries.

-It was a tough one, it really was.

-Yeah.

-Such a tough question.

Very tough, yeah.

Let's have a little look. You also said Spice Girls.

-Did the Spice Girls have a Christmas number one single?

-Yes.

-They did.

-You said Rihanna. Did Rihanna?

-No.

-No.

-No, no!

-Michael Jackson? I don't know.

She didn't have a Christmas number one.

-The two other correct answers were...?

-Madonna?

-Michael Jackson...

-I can't choose a correct answer!

-Michael Jackson.

-Michael Jackson and Queen.

-And Queen.

So, Amanda, the Spice Girls had three Christmas number ones.

In '96, '97, and '98.

2 Become 1, Too Much and Goodbye.

Michael Jackson was number one in 1995 at Christmas with Earth Song.

Queen had two Christmas number ones in 1975 and 1991.

Both with Bohemian Rhapsody.

-OK. I wouldn't...

-Amanda, I'm so sorry you're not leaving with the money.

-Never mind.

-Thanks for coming to see us. You've been a brilliant player today.

-It's been lovely.

-Give it up one more time for Amanda.

-Thank you. Thank you.

-APPLAUSE

-Well done.

-Thank you.

-Argh!

-That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel.

To Susan Calman, to Tim Vine, and Tanni Grey-Thompson. I hope you've enjoyed watching.

We will see you next time for more heated debates. For now, it's goodbye from me.

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE