Episode 12 Debatable

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Hello and welcome to Debatable, where today one player must answer

a series of tricky questions to try to walk away with

a jackpot of over £3,000, but as always, they ain't on their own.

They will have a panel of well-known faces debating their way to

the answers. Will they be all talk and no action? That's debatable.

So let's meet them.

Chin-wagging their way to the answers today,

we have actress Sunetra Sarker,

we have writer Germaine Greer and comedian Russell Kane.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Germaine, thanks for joining us, and of course,

welcome back to Sunetra and to Russell, regulars who we've brought

back because of their magnificent performances on Series One.

This may be tempting fate, Russell, but is this the most

overqualified panel that we have ever had for this job?

I don't think you can be overqualified.

That is the fiendish thing about Debatable, any topic could come up.

It's very true. However, you are a first-class graduate in English.

Well, I started English

and I went off into creative writing at the end...

I love the way you've mimed creative writing for us there on the desk.

I was rejected the first time, though.

Like, "Just stay on the literature course."

And they let me on in the end and I proved myself.

Sunetra, you speak fluent Bengali and you studied French and business.

This is true.

Business side is the one that I'm probably most keen on...

I really hoped I'd end up on The Apprentice,

but Debatable's all right for today!

And in our centre chair,

overqualified probably doesn't cover it.

I mean, you have the degree in French and English literature,

then you have the MA in romantic poetry,

then you have the PhD at Cambridge in English literature.

You've probably forgotten more than the other panellists can remember.

LAUGHTER

That's probably true, but it doesn't do me any credit.

The weirdest thing about being overqualified is I've been

given very strange honorary degrees.

I actually have a doctorate in civil laws from Melbourne University.

It's what you give prime ministers.

I think they just got it wrong, or they hadn't done it very often.

They just... And then I've got a DLit as well from Sydney

- and it just goes on like this.

OK, that is the panel. Let's meet today's contestant,

it is Hannah from Llanelli.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

-That was quite sprightly done there, Hannah.

-I'm excited to be here.

-A little bit of a spring in your step.

-Yes.

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

I'm a recent graduate, also English literature,

so I'm feeling very good about my future career at the moment,

having heard all that you guys have been up to.

Talk to us a little bit about the man in your life, Fred.

Fred, I love Fred.

He is very large, I spend a lot of time with him.

He's a van and I'm converting him into a camper van.

So eventually, I'm going to live with him.

-Live with him? Live in him!

-LAUGHTER

So, I'm just in the middle of that project,

it takes up quite a lot of my time, but I'm learning a lot with it.

So, Hannah, what do you make of today's panel?

Yeah, I'm super-excited that they're here,

I'm super-excited that I'm here.

Ready to get debating.

-Very good. Ready to play?

-Yes.

-Here comes Round One.

This round is multiple choice. Each question

has four possible answers, only one of them is correct.

Four questions in this round,

£200 up for grabs for each correct answer, so best of luck.

Let's see if we can get you up and running with this...

Mm. When it said "meat industry", I was sort of hoping that Argentina

was going to be up there, because I know they're big meat eaters.

-Yeah, I'm not totally sure.

-You're not sure on this one?

-No.

Let's see if our panel can help. Your debate starts now.

I'm surprised Argentina isn't there, as well.

That would've been one of the first countries I'd have...

I thought it was a real British brand, Fray Bentos, I really did.

Let's have a bit of a think about what Fray Bentos might mean.

Well, Bentos sounds Portuguese rather than Spanish for a start.

And what about Fray?

Because I've got a feeling that that's Portuguese for friar,

-as in Fra Angelico, so this is a name?

-The Good Friar.

So is this some recipe that was developed in monasteries

or something like that? These are pies made by friars?

That's quite...

But we'd be looking too for Portuguese, which should be Brazil.

-There is quite a lot of chains now...

-Bem Brazil, Bem Brazil is...

You get these Brazilian...

Brazilian steakhouses, where they come round and serve you

different types of meat and it's quite a big deal and it is like...

They've claimed it as their own,

that sort of meat franchise of restaurants, so I would've

said Brazilian, and also the Portuguese notion that you've...

-Well, I'm not sure of it, though.

-There's two clues...

The word Bentos being more Portuguese- than Spanish-sounding,

even if it's not Portuguese, and the meat culture in Brazil.

The Brazil chain restaurant.

-I've been to the one where you put the flag up.

-Yeah.

GERMAINE SPEAKS IN SPANISH

Yes. Yeah, there's that too.

LAUGHTER

There is nothing really to eliminate Chile, Uruguay or Venezuela,

-to be honest, is there?

-Not really. Not categorically.

Is it stab it with a pin?

-It's got to be Brazil...

-Yeah.

It would end in O or A if it was Spanish.

We have decided that the city of Fray Bentos is in Brazil.

OK, Hannah. They have stabbed it with a pin,

which is also the serving instructions for most Fray Bentos.

-Yes.

-LAUGHTER

-Quite a good sign.

-Is that a good sign?

Well, just as we were talking about the whole...

It's sounding a bit more Portuguese.

I have some friends from Uruguay,

cos I'm practising my Spanish to go to Nicaragua later in the year.

Uruguay and Brazil are actually bordering each other, and for

some reason, I have a feeling that they talked about Fray Bentos.

So thank you very much for your input,

but there's just something in my gut that's going to go for Uruguay.

-GERMAINE:

-Good for her.

You're saying Uruguay.

Our panel are saying "good for you", which means they have no clue.

LAUGHTER

The correct answer, for £200, is...

-Yes!

-It is Uruguay!

-APPLAUSE

-Well done!

-Good!

-That was good knowledge.

-That's exciting.

-Good knowledge.

Excellent.

Fray Bentos gained its reputation in the meat industry after

a meat-packing company opened up there in the 19th century.

The industrial complex was made a Unesco World Heritage site in 2015.

The name is derived from Friar Benedict,

who was a reclusive who lived in the city at the time.

-Hannah, it means you're up and running with £200.

-Yay.

APPLAUSE

Let's see if we can keep it going. Here's your second question...

Now, what we need are a few English graduates.

SUNETRA LAUGHS

-If only we had some.

-If only we had some.

So my first instinct is that if we get this wrong,

-it's going to be quite embarrassing.

-Yes.

And at first I was like, oh, no, glamorous

is the one that looks right, but you know when you

look at things and they look wrong, even if they're not wrong?

Now they suddenly all look weird to me. But my instinct says glamorous.

I'll see if my other English graduates agree with me.

OK, panel, your debate starts now.

Right, well, we're not supposed to be operating by instinct, are we?

We definitely don't want to embarrass her.

Or any of our colleagues.

No, we're probably going to just have to say...

-We know this one, don't we?

-It's glamorous.

-We can't really...

-Easy-peasy.

-So, the panel has decided...

-It's really hard!

..that it's glamorous.

-They're not messing around.

-Yeah, they went straight for it.

And it was of course the one that you thought.

Yes, so I'm going to trust my instinct and this time go

-with the panel and say glamorous.

-We sorted this one out very quickly.

This can only go one way if this is wrong.

Er, let's see. The correct answer is...

..glamorous.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Well done, glamorous is spelled with an O-R in the middle,

it is commonly misspelled with O-U-R instead.

Definitely should have I-T-E, not A-T-E,

embarrass should have two Rs and two Ss.

Colleague should have EA in the middle.

-It means it's another £200 into the prize pot.

-Yes.

100% record, you're up to £400.

APPLAUSE

Here we go, question three.

I'm a big fan of the musical Hamilton.

And I'm pretty sure they talk about John Adams being quite short.

Other than that, I have no idea.

-All right, so you think John Adams may be the shortest.

-Yeah.

Let's see if we can work out the tallest.

Panel, the debate starts now.

Right, er... I'm going to ask Russell first.

Over the holiday period I read a book,

it's called The American Civil War: History In An Hour.

And a reference was made to Lincoln's unusual tallness.

Now, it doesn't mean he's the tallest of that group...

But I know he was coming on for 6'3, that sort of height.

-So, he was tall. You tend to think of...

-No, Clinton isn't taller.

-..Clinton more hunched.

-I've been lucky enough to meet Bill Clinton.

-So have I.

-He's not taller than 6'3.

-He's not taller than I am.

-Oh, really?

I love the way that we've just skirted over the fact that

-you met Bill Clinton. Where did this happen?

-I met him three times.

Actually, the first time I met him is very funny.

I was talking at the Oxford Union, debating, you know, and, er,

there was a man in a pink seersucker suit sitting up the back,

and I was talking about the odd thing that highly educated women

expect to marry highly educated men,

and this creature in the pink suit stood up and said,

"Would a poor boy from Alabama be in with a chance?"

And I said, "Are you coming on to me in the Oxford Union?"

And the answer to that question was yes.

I met him at an NSPCC do.

My mum had dropped me off at this event and said, "I would love...

"If you can get me Bill Clinton's autograph I would just be so happy."

I've never done anything for my mum, really, so I thought,

"I'm going to get it for her, I am going to do it."

So I had my eyes fixed on him, he's giving this big speech.

I'm not going to be scared, I'm going to go up to Bill Clinton

and say, "Mr President," as you have to refer to them...

Now, this was literally a year after 9/11, so security was pretty tight,

so what I didn't notice was as I was marching with a pen in my hand,

fixed on Bill Clinton's face, all his security,

who were mixed in with the British security, were all slowly going,

"Lady in pink dress walking to President, everybody en garde."

And right behind me, apparently, two security guards were just about to

pounce on me as one Scouse security guard went, "She's in Brookside!"

And told her off, as if that would mean anything to her!

I didn't see any of this, and I carried on,

walked up to President Clinton, I said, "Can I have an autograph?"

Got it back, went back beaming, and everyone was going,

"Sunetra! You won't believe what's just happened!

"All the security have come rushing towards you!"

I met Ken Livingstone on the, er, on the DLR.

I was on my way to Limehouse.

He didn't acknowledge me but, you know... We were close.

-So, our answer...

-Is...

-..to the question...

Abraham Lincoln.

Is it going to be Abraham Lincoln?

Yeah, he was 6'3, I just read a book about it.

This highly experienced and much travelled panel is going to

plump for the obvious and say Abraham Lincoln is the

tallest of these Presidents.

I mean, that would have been sort of my instinct too,

but do you know what?

The fact that a book has been read and it said that

he was 6'3, that has taken my confidence,

so I'm going to go with the panel and say Abraham Lincoln.

OK, despite the meetings with Bill Clinton,

our panel has gone with Abraham Lincoln.

For £200, the correct answer is...

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE It is Abraham Lincoln!

-Very well done.

-Yeah.

Abraham Lincoln, 6'4, making him the tallest US President.

There he is with his big hat on

just rubbing it in to the two other people.

Lyndon Johnson was the second tallest at 6'3 and a half.

John Adams, one of the smallest at 5'7.

And Clinton, a little bit taller than you'd think,

-unless you've met him - 6'2.

-Oh, no way.

Richard Nixon was just over 5'11.

All of that means it's another 200 quid into the prize pot.

-Excellent news.

-It's a 100% record, Hannah. £600.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

We're not done yet.

One more question in this round, here it comes.

So, I did study English literature but poetry wasn't something

that I spent a lot of time on.

I was mostly sort of studying the Shakespeare and his contemporaries,

so I'm very glad there is someone who is

so qualified in poetry on the panel cos I've no idea.

Absolutely no pressure, panel. Your debate starts now.

Right, this is going to stretch...belief.

Credulity as far as it'll possibly go

-because Russell read the poem yesterday.

-I read it yesterday.

-I just whispered it to Germaine, I read this poem...

-No!

-..yesterday.

It was a book review, the whole poem was quoted,

and the final line was this food for tea, and I laughed, thinking,

"Oh, that's the typical, quaint English food to have."

-What are the chances?

-I know it categorically, I read it yesterday.

Yesterday! I mean, this is my Slumdog Millionaire moment.

Is panel allowed to decide now?

Oh, panel is allowed to do whatever panel wishes.

Panel spent so long on the last question,

I think we should just go straight for it.

Panel is running amok, it is true.

So, the panel has decided, on very good grounds, namely prosody,

er, that what must be still for tea is a bisyllable, and that is honey.

Very definite. What are the chances? What are the chances?

Freakish coincidence. 100% it's honey.

Well, I'm very glad you did.

Erm, yeah, honey for tea sounds like it runs much better than

any of the others, so I'm going to agree and say honey for tea.

OK, agreeing with the panel. Honey.

For a 100% record, for £800 out of this first round,

is honey the correct answer?

-GERMAINE SIGHS

-What if it wasn't?

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE It is, Germaine! Well done.

That is mental.

Stands the church clock at ten to three?

And is there honey still for tea?

Hannah, well played, that's another 200 quid

-into the prize pot.

-That went well, didn't it?

The total bank at the end of Round One,

it is perfection, it is £800.

APPLAUSE

Chuffed with that.

So how is the panel performing? Who's standing out for you?

I mean, they're all doing great, but I've got to say, Germaine,

you've got such a specific knowledge

-on so many different things...

-GERMAINE GROANS

..that is quite impressive, really.

OK, well, we have a few rounds still to go before you have to

-choose one of our panellists to play the final debate.

-OK.

So keep an eye on them as we play Round Two.

OK, Hannah, Round Two is our picture round.

You must place three pictures in the correct order.

Three questions in the round, £300 for each correct answer,

-little bit more money up for grabs. Let's see how we go.

-All right.

Here comes your first one.

I have no idea.

Erm, I wouldn't even know whether the prince or the princess

was older, so, erm, yeah, it's going to be over to you guys, I think.

OK, we will defer this regal question to our panel.

Your debate starts now.

Right, well, I've just recently watched The Crown.

Yeah, I'm pretty confident.

I definitely know Princess Anne, who is older than Prince Andrew,

was born before the Queen's Coronation, as was Charles.

Don't know about Andrew and Edward,

but I feel like they came after the Coronation.

-Yeah.

-So...

-Here you go.

The order it happened, she would give birth to Princess Anne,

-she's crowned Queen...

-It's about...

-Is it '52 or '53, the Coronation?

-'52.

-'52, the Coronation.

Without meaning to be a spoilsport,

based on what she's wearing and how she looks in the picture,

I don't know if we're supposed to use stuff like that.

Well, they're all clues, aren't they?

I'm pretty sure she's older in that picture than that picture.

-Definitely.

-She is younger even more there,

so, er, we're fine, we're good.

Panel reports, then,

that it has decided that the order of these events is...

gives birth to Princess Anne, is crowned, and gives birth to Andrew.

A definite answer from our panel,

potentially based on box-set television.

-Hey, I get a lot of information from TV.

-Don't knock it.

I had no instincts going into this round,

so I'm going to go with the panel wholeheartedly.

OK, agreeing with the panel.

For £300, is that the correct order?

It's the correct answer! APPLAUSE

Elizabeth gave birth to Princess Anne when she was 24.

It was her second child, born in 1950.

Elizabeth was crowned on the 2nd of June, 1953,

and then Andrew was born in 1960.

Well done, Hannah, £300.

-That takes the prize pot up to £1,100.

-Lovely.

APPLAUSE

Let's see if we can keep the 100% record going with this one.

-Visit any of those?

-No, actually.

I've walked around outside the Tower of London,

but I've never actually gone in.

And, yeah, I don't know how much there is to do at Stonehenge

rather than see it. I'm not totally sure on this one.

OK, panel, can you sort this one out for Hannah? Your debate starts now.

Well, Hannah's just suggested what the real problem is with this

question, because practically everybody who comes to London

will go past the Tower of London, but how many people actually go in?

-I recently went past, and the queue was huge.

-It's massive.

-Huge.

It was just going on and on, and it's full of tourists.

I don't know how many of them were...

It's on the London itinerary, isn't it?

I would feel quietly confident that the number one figures come

from the Tower of London.

This presents more of an issue.

Mm, because they're both far away

and they're not terribly easy to get to.

How do you define a visit?

Once a fortnight or once a week when I'm on tour,

-cos the A303 is where it is.

-Really?

And you can see it from the A303 as you go past it, and it is always...

You know, like, when you see flies on flypaper, it's that,

covered with people.

-I have been to the Eden Project.

-Was it busy?

Er, it was in the early days,

-and I tramped around it and got cross, as I often do.

-Never!

What do we think? We think the Tower of London's the most visited.

-100%.

-Yeah.

-We think Stonehenge,

you think it's covered with flies like...people like flypaper!

But that's not that many for the size of the attraction.

When I go past, there's probably 100 or 200 people stood around at most.

If we got off a plane tomorrow in Melbourne and said,

"I've just been to see Stonehenge,"

would every Australian have heard of Stonehenge,

more or less? Is it a world-famous site? That's what I'm asking.

Compared to the Eden Project, which is famous here in the UK,

but if I stepped off a plane in Australia, in New York, and said

"the Eden Project" would it get recognition? Tower of London, yes.

Do Japanese tourists go to Stonehenge is what we want to

-know, really, isn't it?

-Yes.

-Well, I think the answer's yes, isn't it?

So, there we go, let's take a gamble.

We can only debate so much, but this is what we think.

The panel, feeling rather foolish,

has come to what might seem to some an obvious conclusion, which is

that the Eden Project is the least visited,

Stonehenge is the next, and the most visited is the Tower of London.

OK, Hannah.

Well, there are two things the panel said that have really stuck

with me, and one is, where would all the Japanese tourists go to?

And I'm just quite conscious that it says "visitors,"

not necessarily tourists, and I know that there are a lot of,

like, domestic visitors that would go to the Eden Project.

And also that's open year-round,

and Stonehenge is not going to be very fun in December,

so I'm going to switch around the first two,

and I'm going to go against the panel,

say that Stonehenge is the least visited, the Eden Project is

in the middle and the most visited is the Tower of London.

-It's a good shout.

-Yeah.

-So, going against the panel.

-Yes.

To keep that 100% record, for £300, is that the correct order?

It's not, Hannah, I'm afraid.

Let's have a little look at the correct order.

The panel were right.

The Eden Project, least visited, then Stonehenge,

then the Tower of London.

The Eden Project had just under a million visitors in 2015,

Stonehenge had around 1.4 million in 2015,

and the Tower of London just under 2.8 million visitors in 2015.

OK, Hannah, let's see if we can get back on track with this one,

your final picture question.

-Fan of Madonna?

-Do you know what? I can't even bring the song to mind.

-I have no idea.

-OK.

-None at all.

Let's see if we've got any '90s music fans in our panel.

Your debate starts now.

OK, before I forget...

Greta Garbo and Monroe

Dietrich and DiMaggio

Marlon Brando, Jimmy Dean

On the cover of a magazine

Grace Kelly, Harlow, Jean

Picture of a beauty queen

-Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire...

-Ginger Rogers.

Ginger Rogers, dance on air

They had style, they had grace

Rita Hayworth gave good face

La-la-da-da, da-da-do Bette Davis, we love you.

Quick, quick, quick, quick!

Quick, before I forget, before I forget!

APPLAUSE

-Nice! Vogue!

-Vogue!

-That's how you do it.

-OK, what happened there?

LAUGHTER

-What actually happened?

-Somebody remembered the song word-for-word.

See, some of us are not Madonna admirers. That's a problem.

Some of us think she can neither sing nor dance.

These celebrities,

according to our brilliant student of pop culture,

Sunetra...

these women are mentioned in this order -

Greta Garbo, Rita Hayworth and Bette Davis.

Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty convinced.

Erm, you know, we got the lyrics all in a run.

I don't think there's much I can argue with, to be honest.

I'm going to go straight with the panel and agree that

Greta Garbo came first, Rita Hayworth was mentioned second

and Bette Davis was mentioned last.

-OK.

-What if I'm wrong now?

-No way, there's no way.

-There it is. £300...

The correct order is...

-Yeah!

-It is the correct answer!

That was impressive, Sunetra, fantastic.

-Very well done.

-Thank you.

Sunetra, very good '90s pop knowledge.

That means at the end of Round Two the prize pot is up to £1,400.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

So, how is the panel faring?

Yeah, I never thought that I would hear someone recite all the

lyrics to Vogue today, but do you know what? I live in surprise.

Now, if you had to choose one

based on their performances so far, who do you think?

Russell's super-lucky, and do you know what, I think sometimes what

you need is a good dose of luck, so,

-so far I've got a good feeling about that end of the table.

-Yeah.

-Yes, yes!

-OK, well, look, we still have one round to go.

Best of luck, let's play Round Three.

OK, Hannah, in Round Three you'll face questions that contain

a statement about a person, a place or a thing,

but only one of those statements is true.

We need you to find that statement.

It's the final round, three questions in the round,

the money goes up to £500. So best of luck.

Here comes your first question of our final round.

Kind of all I can remember about it is that it was set in a prison.

Erm...

And I don't remember anything about an opening theme, it's never

come up on any sort of quizzes, like, guess the theme to Porridge.

Well, hold that thought because I'm sure that Russell

has probably just watched an episode of Porridge just yesterday!

Panel, your debate starts now.

Quite the opposite, I have never watched

a single edition of Porridge in my entire life.

Unless one of you guys are Porridge fans

we're going to have to reason this one out.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm a fan,

I've probably watched it as a child growing up.

-It had its funny moments.

-Yes.

You'd remember black screen, rolling credits, no music, surely.

I was going to say because Ronnie Corbett and Ronnie Barker

worked together so closely, I remember Porridge being the first

departure for Corbett and Barker to go their own separate ways.

Ronnie Corbett did Sorry!, Ronnie Barker did Porridge,

so I'd be surprised if they...

I think they were trying to show they could do separate things.

I may be wrong about this,

but I don't think there were ever any external shots.

-No, there weren't.

-So, what's the point of Dartmoor?

Also, I seem to recall that it has a very London-y feel.

Yes, there was no West Country accents in it,

from the clips I've seen.

-Yeah, no, Richard Beckinsale...

-So we think that's wrong.

We think it's unlikely it had no opening...

Extremely forgettable opening credits music!

You know what, though?

I can't think of a theme tune for Porridge, but only at the very end.

Obviously, I'm a comedian, and Ronnie Barker, as a comedian

and a writer, is an innovator, years ahead,

-a real craftsman.

-Mm, yeah, yeah.

And starting in sort of a European arty style without music is exactly

the type of thing, stylistically, he would have sought to...

Yeah, maybe he did, like, the opening of the jail and the keys

and maybe there wasn't music, and it was like, "Everyone get out..."

Maybe it was one of those sort of openings.

Both one and two are equally feasible, I'm afraid. I'm...

Let's go for the show had no opening theme music.

That would be my instinct.

Right, my learned colleagues are of the opinion that Porridge had

no opening theme music.

The panel have gone for A.

-Yeah.

-But they've worked it through.

-No, but it's with my leanings.

Like, what you said about there being sort of

a jail soundscape makes quite a lot of sense to me.

There's something about that that rings quite true,

so I'm going to go with the panel and say that it's true.

The show had no opening theme music.

-OK. You're going with the panel.

-Yeah.

For £500, Porridge had no opening theme music.

Is that the correct statement?

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Ronnie Barker! Mr Innovator!

-Well done.

-Ah, well done.

-The jail door.

Sunetra, you were absolutely right, Porridge featured images and sounds

of slamming doors, keys rattling, with a judge voiced by Ronnie Barker

sentencing Norman Stanley Fletcher.

That was it!

The show was set at the fictional Her Majesty's Prison Slade

in Cumbria, or Cumberland, as it was then known.

None of that matters, though. You were right to go with the panel.

£500 into the prize pot, you are now up to £1,900.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Here we go, second question of the final round.

I really hope A isn't true.

That would make me really sad.

I know it's a big, nasty world out there,

but I really hope they don't eat penguins.

Erm... Other than that I'm not quite sure.

I'm not really up on my Latin, and so hopefully one of the panel is.

We're hoping that nature does not have a cruel, realistic edge.

Now I'm going to hand this over to the panel. The debate starts now.

Righto, panel, what do we think?

Do you reckon that a polar bear can catch a penguin?

Can I ask a really basic question

-at the risk of making myself sound thick?

-Mm-hm.

Which pole do polar bears live in, and which pole do penguins live on?

-Are they different poles?

-Good question.

-Ah, good question.

Are penguins Antarctic, or am I...?

Yes, well, they're more than Antarctic,

but I don't think they are in the Arctic, I think you're right.

Yeah, I think polar bears are in the north, so...

Yeah, they're definitely in the Arctic.

That's a great way of eliminating.

-I didn't know that, I was asking the question.

-Hurray for the penguins!

-Mm-mm.

-Germaine solved that if anyone did, so...

-Well...

That's what she thinks, poor old thing, but she could be wrong.

Their Latin name means "sea bear".

I'm having difficulty with that because the ordinary name for bears

-is "ursus".

-If it's "ursus," "mare" would it be?

"Mare" is sea in Latin.

Yeah, no, it would be "maritimum" or "marinus" or something like that.

Cubs leave their mothers when they're about six months old.

-Do we think that's unlikely?

-That seems about right to me.

I think that seems... That seems more likely to me.

If you think, like, a domestic cat and dog's, like, three months old.

Yeah, the size of it would matter, I suppose.

Well, the mother starts feeding them in her den.

Do they come out at the end of the summer?

Well, that's a good point,

cos they're sort of trapped for six months, aren't they?

They make that little ice den and live... They rear them inside.

They come out ready to go.

But do they come out when it gets cold, when the

sea ice should have formed, or do they come out when it gets warm?

In fact, six months could be a clue because that's when the

seasons would dramatically change and they would be able to go

off on their own cos it'd be warmer.

-It could well be...

-The second one.

-..the second one.

The third one we cannot eliminate because we just don't know.

-There's no reason at all...

-No, my Latin is amo, amas...

-I should be able to remember it but in fact I can't.

-Yeah, but...

-But we're going to plump, are we, for the middle?

-I just feel like...

They grow up to be so big,

we don't know what size they are when they're six months old.

Maybe they can fend for themselves.

You think they wouldn't have too many predators cos they already...

-True.

-Oh, but that's the other thing,

that the mother will be pursued by a male bear,

and she has to get rid of the cubs because he'll kill them.

-Get pregnant again.

-Let's go with B, that was our instinct.

We'll go with B.

Polar bear cubs leave their mothers when they're about six months old.

-OK, Hannah, a thorough debate there.

-Very thorough.

-A few logical points.

Yes, erm, do you know what swayed me, is the point about the mother

being chased by another male bear and having to ditch the cubs,

that sounds very plausible.

So I'm going to go with the panel and say that the cubs leave

their mother when they're about six months old.

OK, for £500, the correct statement is...

Oh, no!

-Their Latin name means "sea bear".

-Oh, so what is it, please?

-Will you tell us?

-Their Latin name is "Ursus maritimus".

-Damn, I already said Ursus maritimus!

-You actually said that.

You did say it. It means "sea bear".

I only translated it, that was all.

-Well, bum is all I can say!

-LAUGHTER

-Posterius!

-LAUGHTER

Derrierius!

Er, polar bears live in the Arctic, penguins live in the Antarctic.

-Russell, you were right.

-Oh, fact alert(!)

Er, they're never found together.

Polar bear cubs stay with their mothers until they're around

-two-and-a-half years old.

-There you go.

Humans are the only species on the planet that never leave their

mothers because they can't afford to buy houses.

LAUGHTER

I'm afraid no money added to the prize pot on that occasion,

but we have one more question.

For £500, here it comes...

I mean, he could have married his cousin,

that was perfectly acceptable back then, wasn't it?

And Australia is far,

but maybe he was from Australia,

because isn't Darwin, Australia named after him? I don't...

-I have no idea!

-He's not named after it, it's named after him.

-That's what I meant!

-His middle name was Tasmania, wasn't it?

-Ah, yes(!)

So, yeah, I'm not sure on that.

-OK, you're not sure.

-No.

-I am...

I'm sure our panel can sort this out.

Which statement is true about Darwin? Your debate starts now.

-Well, erm...

-What is a lifelong vegetarian?

You told me that you were convinced that he was on the Beagle.

-The Beagle went to Australia, did it not?

-Yes.

Right, well, I can't be 100% sure the Beagle went to Australia,

but I do know he was on the Beagle,

so if you're sure the Beagle went to Australia, that he did indeed...

Cos he went to the Galapagos, 100%.

-That's sort of en route.

-Ooh, not really.

He discovered the Komodo dragon,

dropped off for a bit of Komodo action...

-Wow.

-..then went to Oz.

-And the rest is history.

I have a question. What is a lifelong vegetarian?

Does that mean he would have to be a vegetarian from the day

he was born, so his mother fed him as a vegetarian?

Because you couldn't say you were a lifelong vegetarian unless

all your life, from zero onwards.

I'm pretty sure he married his cousin.

She was called something like Hetty or Etty or something, is that right?

-Yeah, his first cousin.

-What's her name, do you know it?

-Henrietta?

-That'd be Etty.

-I'm sure it is.

-So that's our true statement, then.

The decision of the panel is that the true statement in those three

is that Darwin married his first cousin.

So, by a process of elimination, our panel have gone with B,

he married his first cousin.

Yeah, I mean, I know now you can get veggie baby food and vegan

baby food, but, erm, I don't think the Darwin family would have

been sort of hipster enough for that kind of baby diet.

And likewise, social etiquette around marrying close family

members is different now.

So based on the fact that times have changed, I'm going to agree

with the panel and say B, he married his first cousin, is true.

OK. He married his first cousin,

which is a great evolutionary move(!)

PANEL LAUGH

That was a good joke.

For £500, we're hoping that this is the correct statement.

The correct statement is...

I hate this wait!

They named a city, he had to have gone there.

He did. Well done.

Well played, Hannah.

-He did marry his first cousin, Emma Wedgwood, in 1839.

-Emma, not Etta.

At university he was a member of the Gluttons Club that would eat

unusual meat. Now, this you'll be interested in, Russell.

On the Beagle, he ate pumas, armadillos, Galapagos tortoises.

It wasn't until he got back to Britain that

-he realised how valuable what he ate would have been as a specimen.

-No!

"I've eaten the evidence!"

He did visit Australia during the second voyage of the Beagle.

Darwin in the Northern Territory is named after him,

although he never visited that specific area.

Well done, Hannah. Well worked out.

At the end of Round Three your prize pot is a magnificent £2,400.

APPLAUSE

-Just have to get that now.

-We just have to get that. Now, 2,400.

Is this going to go to more Fred renovations

or what are you going to do?

Yes, I want him to be solar panelled and totally self-sufficient,

so I'd buy some solar panels and possibly

-a little woodburning stove to keep me warm.

-OK.

So, there's only one question between you and that trip with Fred.

-Yes.

-That is our final debate question.

The final debate, of course, will have six possible answers.

Only three of them are correct. We need you to give all three answers.

As before, you will not be alone.

You will choose one of this esteemed panel to help you with the question.

You and your panellist will have 45 seconds to debate the question.

So who would you like to join you in the final debate?

Will it be Bill Clinton's security risk, Sunetra?

Will it be Germaine,

who will be Facebook-requesting Madonna directly after this show?

Or will it be our psychic poet, Russell?

Always go with a psychic poet. Er, Russell, please.

OK, Russell, will you join us, please,

and we'll play the final debate.

APPLAUSE

OK, Russell, Hannah has chosen you for the final debate.

Absolutely no pressure.

RUSSELL SCOFFS

I mean, all of my answers were based on luck, so I admire your optimism.

That's why I picked you.

We're all hoping that what comes up on the screen,

-you've actually read it yesterday.

-Yeah, cos my memory's that short!

Well, the day before would do as well.

-No, it would have faded by then.

-Oh. Oh, dear.

OK, because it's the final debate, Hannah, we're going to give you

a choice from two categories, so have a look at these.

-No-brainer.

-Yeah, I mean, unless it's baseball

-I wouldn't know anything about US Sport.

-I hate all sport.

All right, so shall we go for food?

-I love food.

-Me too.

-I'm fond of Europe too, so...

-Let's go for it.

Yeah, let's go for European Food.

It could be fiendishly hard but at least, you know,

-it's something we can eat.

-Yeah.

OK, you've gone for European Food.

The adrenaline!

All I can see is Fred's sad headlight eyes like that...

Best of luck, Hannah. We're going to put 45 seconds on the clock.

For £2,400, we need three correct answers from this,

our final debate question.

-Please.

-OK...

Greek, Greek.

Don't know.

Mm-mm.

Your time starts now.

I'm pretty sure Manchego is Italian.

-I think Manchego's Spanish.

-Is it?

-It's Spanish.

Manchego is definitely Spanish. Havarti is Greek.

-Erm...

-Provolone?

My instinct, linguistically, as I know none of them,

would be Taleggio, Provolone, and then either Asiago...

-SV isn't that common in Italian, is it?

-No, but it does occur.

-It does show up every now and again.

-20 seconds.

-Svecia, Svecia.

-What about Asiago?

-Asiago again could be Spanish.

Erm...

-I would say go Asi...

-So we're saying Taleggio...

-Provolone and Asiago...

-Provolone and Asiago.

-..is the best guess.

-Yeah, Svecia.

-Five seconds.

-Cos that sounds like Swiss.

-Maybe, yeah.

-Taleggio...

-Provolone and Asiago.

-Hannah, I need three cheeses.

-Oh, OK.

-All guesses.

Taleggio, Provolone, Asiago.

Er, Taleggio, Provolone, Asiago.

OK, Hannah, best of luck, we need all three of these to be

correct for you to leave with the money.

If one of them is wrong, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing,

so fingers crossed.

Is Taleggio an Italian cheese?

Got to be, man, the double G, come on!

I will eat it, I will eat it so hard.

Yes!

APPLAUSE DROWNS SPEECH

-From the Lombardy and Piedmont region.

-Of course.

OK, next up you said Provolone.

To keep us on track for 2,400,

is Provolone an Italian cheese?

It is! It is a cow's-milk cheese from southern Italy.

-OK, so it's all down to this.

-Oh, for the solar panels.

-Asiago.

-You weren't sure between...?

-Asiago and Svecia.

-Svecia and Asiago.

It was just the C, I would say...

Because of ciabatta and words like that I would have thought the

C would be hard, and if you're pronouncing it correctly, and

-I trust you, it's surely got to be Asiago, surely.

-Here we go.

If it is Asiago, it's 2,400.

-If it's wrong you leave with nothing.

-Ugh!

The correct answer is...

Yeah, Asiago!

Well done! Congratulations!

-Well played, you've just won £2,400.

-Yes!

-Thrilled with that.

-And it's all for the hard C in Italian.

There we go, well done.

Let's have a look at some of the others.

Havarti is a semi-soft Danish cheese.

Oh, Danish, I thought it was Greek.

Manchego is from Spain, you were right, Russell.

Svecia, Swedish.

Congratulations, Hannah, you've just won £2,400, well done!

Well played, well done, Russell.

That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel,

to Russell Kane, to Sunetra Sarker and Germaine Greer.

I hope you've enjoyed watching,

we'll see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, from me, it's goodbye.