Episode 13 Debatable

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Hello and welcome to Debatable,

where today one player must answer a series of tricky questions to

try to walk away with our jackpot of over £3,000.

As usual, though, they are not on their own.

They'll have a panel of well-known faces

debating their way to the answer.

Will they be all talk and no action?

Well, that's debatable, so let's meet them.

Straight talking today,

we have presenter Angela Scanlon,

we have broadcaster Matt Allwright,

and we have comedian and actress

Nina Wadia.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

That's right. Give yourselves a round of applause.

-No-one else is going to!

-This is the type of confidence we need.

-Now, Matt, you're in the centre chair.

-I am.

-This is our chair of responsibility.

-Is it?

-Basically...

You're kind of our... the Simon Cowell of intellect.

-Well, in that case, I will pull my trousers up.

-Pull your pants up there.

-I'm pulling them right up.

-You're pulling them right up!

And I'll tell you what, that's given me a real buzz.

-Thank you, Patrick.

-We're in trouble now!

-I'm ready to roll.

-Now, Nina, I know you take your job very seriously.

-Yes.

What type of prep have you done for the show?

Well, I have taught myself to Segway.

I thought that would come in handy!

-OK.

-My kids have taught me how to do it.

They got it for Christmas, so I know how to do that and I thought

"That'll come in really handy in this show."

Now, Angela, what do you think you're going to bring to the dance?

-What do you want to see come up?

-I DO dance.

-Yes, you do.

Tell us a little bit about your dancing.

I used to do Irish dancing quite competitively. Yeah.

You're being very modest.

-You were a world champion Irish...

-I mean, I don't know

that that accolade is going to help today's...!

I just wonder what kind of show you think it is.

You're on about Segways coming in handy, you've got the Irish dancing.

-Yeah.

-Did I get the wrong brief before we came here?

LAUGHTER

So, that's the panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is Keith from St Helens.

APPLAUSE

-Welcome to the show.

-Thank you for having me.

You're looking very dapper.

My mum always says dress for the occasion.

Well, I think you've dressed for the occasion where you

basically own most of the county.

-Thank you very much.

-Tell us a little bit about yourself.

My name's Keith, I'm 44,

I'm from St Helens in Merseyside and I'm a plumber.

How long have you been a plumber?

Well, when I left school in 1988,

I got an apprenticeship and then I went on to serve my trade

for a couple of years and then

went off to London and became a mortgage adviser for 20-odd years.

I sold the business and I was 42,

so I thought I was a bit too young to retire, so I got the tools

-back out and thought I'd go and make my trade again.

-This is great.

And what do you do in your spare time?

I'm a family man, cos I have six children...

ANGELA GASPS

I've, er...

-Yeah!

-Age ranging from?

-From 24 to 8 months old.

-Oh!

-Wow.

Yeah, so, most of my time is spent now visiting National Trust

properties and days out with the kids and stuff.

What do you think about today's panel?

Yeah, I was worried when I saw Matt, being a plumber, to be honest,

and I thought I was on the wrong show.

I thought I was being set up.

THEY LAUGH

But, no, it's great.

They look quite knowledgeable and

-if Segways and dancing comes up I'm...

-Sorted.

-..on the jackpot.

Sorted for sure.

OK, so, you're going to need to pay close attention today, cos you

can only choose one of our panel to play with you in the Final Debate.

-OK.

-OK? Best of luck, Keith. Let's see if we can get you some cash.

Let's play Round One.

OK, Keith, Round One is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers,

only one of them is correct. Four questions in this round.

Each one is worth £200.

You want to try to get as much of that cash into your prize pot,

because that's what you're going to be playing for

in today's Final Debate. Best of luck. Here we go.

Well, my first thoughts are with brain freeze,

cos -sthesia and then, sort of, like, a slight paralysis.

I've had brain freeze off an ice-cold drink and it's horrible.

Well, hold that thought, just freeze the brain for a second,

because our panel can sort this out for you, I am sure.

First question, your debate starts now.

Well, I've got to say, for me, it's a similar thought to yours,

brain freeze.

Only cos of the word -sthesia at the end of that, cos, you know,

when you're go in for anaesthesia or whatever,

it does freeze something, so...

Yeah.

I, I mean, I don't think it's the sensation of falling when asleep.

I was thinking, you know, like sleep paralysis or whatever,

so there's a correlation, but I don't think that's it.

So, we think that because of the feeling

that it's like anaesthesia...

-Yeah.

-Then it's got to be one of those where you lose feeling?

-Yeah.

-Yeah, so brain freeze or pins and needles.

-Yeah.

-Not hiccups, though?

-Not hiccups, no.

Hiccups doesn't come into it at all.

Because it's the opposite of freezing, I guess.

-You have to pick now.

-No, so, what did you think, Nin?

I think pins and needles.

I think pins and needles.

I mean, I was going brain freeze, but now you've made my brain freeze.

LAUGHTER

-What's it going to be?

-I'm still going to go with brain freeze.

-You're going to go brain freeze.

-What, like, the majority is?

OK. Two to one, we think

that the answer is pins and needles.

OK, Keith...

They've said that with conviction, but how much knowledge is in there?

They're going for pins and needles.

Do I go with the dancer or the Segway?

THEY LAUGH

I was always taught to go with my gut feeling as well, and...

Looking at that up there, I think Angela is on the same

wavelength as me and I'm going to go with brain freeze I think.

I'm going to go against the panel.

OK, you're going against the panel.

You think it's brain freeze.

For £200, to get us off the mark, the correct answer is...

Oh!

-It was pins and needles.

-Oh.

-You should have gone with the panel.

-Sorry, guys.

-Sorry.

Paraesthesia can happen when pressure is applied to

a certain part of the body,

which cuts off the blood supply to the nerves in that area.

It comes from the Greek, meaning "irregular sensation".

No money there, Keith, but there's still plenty of time.

Three more chances in this round. Here comes the next question.

I'm tied between Paula Radcliffe and the train, I think, at this stage.

Well, we just need a well travelled and sporty panel who can sort

this out and, hey, look who we have.

THEY LAUGH

This should be a piece of cake for you. Your debate starts now.

-Well, sorry...

-Go on.

I don't think any train journeys these days are very fast, are they?

I mean, to travel from Brighton to London can take you about

two and a half weeks.

LAUGHTER

I think we can rule that one out as possibly one of the slowest ones.

OK, so, did they ever do, like, a record-breaking attempt where

they're just going Glasgow to London, not stopping on the way?

Could that possibly be?

Even at that rate, even the fastest trains right now to

Manchester and back are two hours and ten.

And I know for a fact that Concorde's fastest flights,

cos, I've been on that one, it was around...

It was about two and three-quarter hours, something like that.

-From London to New York?

-From London to New York. It's very quick.

-Certainly under three hours.

-I think...

Like, a really good marathon is sub-two hours,

so in or around

the two-hour mark I would imagine.

And then swimming the Channel just feels like four, five hours,

like, I can't believe it's two hours.

I mean, that's what we're looking at, is two hours, isn't it?

-And it feels like a marathon's less than two hours.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

All the others are over two hours,

-would we say?

-Yeah.

-Yes.

I think we should definitely go with Paula Radcliffe.

-I personally feel that.

-What do you think, Scanners?

Erm... Yeah.

On the basis that Paula Radcliffe is a very fast runner, as a team,

we're going to go with her marathon record

as the fastest of those four.

So, Keith, what are you thinking then?

I went against the panel last time and I came off second best, so...

It was in my thoughts as well,

so I'm going to stick with the panel I think on this one.

I'm going to go with Paula Radcliffe's women's marathon

record as the answer.

OK, you're agreeing with the panel.

All done. For £200, the correct answer is...

-Yes!

-There we go. Well done.

APPLAUSE

-Well played.

-Thank you.

Paula Radcliffe's marathon record is 2:15:25.

Concorde's fastest New York and London Crossing is 2:52:59.

The Virgin Pendolino train made the journey from Glasgow to

London in 3:55:27 in 2006.

In 1875, Captain Matthew Webb became the first person recorded to

swim the English Channel,

swimming from Dover to Calais in 21:45:00.

What kept him?

OK, well played, we're up and running, £200 in the prize pot.

APPLAUSE

Here comes your next question, Keith.

My initial thought would be probably Rock DJ, cos I used

to take my top off and dance to it, and I was younger than, so...

LAUGHTER

OK, so, your first thought is Rock DJ. Panel?

Your debate starts now.

So, I think, Robbie Williams' Rock DJ was, like,

the tiger pants and skates, and I think that was after he had had

some solo success already, cos there was a lot of ego in that video.

-Yeah.

-In a good way. And, erm...

In my mind it's Angels that came first.

I think he had one minor hit before Angels, which I think was...

Hope I Dull...

Hope I Die Before I'm Old.

-Oh, yeah.

-And then Angels was, like, the massive breakthrough

and he was at Glastonbury and there was all of that

and then it feels to me like everything else came after that.

But the only one I'm not sure about is Feel.

-That's exactly what I'm thinking.

-# I just wanna feel real love... #

That just feels like it was...

That was a big hit when we already kind of knew he was brilliant again.

-Yeah.

-Angels seems to be the first one that stands out.

-He's on the beach.

-A massive hit.

-He's on the beach in the coat.

And he's not that far away from his image in Take That,

whereas the Rock DJ, Millennium, I don't know,

but I feel it was him in his second wave as a solo artist.

Whatever happens, Keith, through it all...

we offer you protection.

-A lot of love and affection.

-Whether you're right or wrong.

LAUGHTER

OK, I'm going to put my hand up for Angels.

-Nin?

-Yes, Angels.

-Same.

As a team, we think

Robbie Williams' first hit

from those four was Angels.

OK, Keith, your first thought was Rock DJ.

After that debate, any other thoughts?

Yeah, Rock DJ was one that first sprung to mind.

They've done me right so far, the panel have,

so we'll go with Angels, I'll go with the panel I think, yeah.

OK, going with the panel again. Angels. No pressure, panel.

Don't hold it against us!

For another £200,

Robbie Williams' first UK hit single was...

-Yay!

-Angels, there we go!

APPLAUSE

-Well done.

-Well played, well done, panel. Very well worked out.

Angels was released in December 1997.

Millennium was released in September '98. Rock DJ came out in July 2000.

Feel was in December 2002.

Despite only ever getting as high as number four,

-only went to number four, Angels.

-Wow.

It spent 17 weeks in the UK Top 40,

the most of any Robbie Williams singles.

The good news is that's another 200 quid into the prize pot,

taking you up to £400.

-Well done.

-Yes!

APPLAUSE

And we're not done yet in this round. Another question.

Let's see if we can get it up to 600. Here it comes.

I can hear the kids shouting at me now.

First instincts, given the fact that he wore

a black hat with his little black suit, is Sir Topham Hatt.

OK, so you're thinking there's a top hat there,

he's wearing a top hat, it could be Sir Topham Hatt.

Panel, over to you. Your debate starts now.

Well, have any of us either had children or been children?

-I was a child once.

-How was that for you?

-It was great.

I don't remember, you know, Thomas The Tank Engine.

-You never had a Thomas Tank?

-Well, n...no.

-There was also a Thin Controller for some of the stories.

-Was there?

-Yes.

That's my only concern here, is that actually we may be looking...

-At the wrong controller.

-..at the wrong controller.

-What was his name, The Thin Controller?

-No-one knows.

-Oh!

-Or if they do, we don't know.

-Well, he could've been the viscount then.

NINA LAUGHS

They've built... I don't know if you can see, they've cleverly built in

-the names of hats.

-Hmm-hmm.

-Yeah. We got that. Stetson is...

LAUGHTER

-You should have been a teacher.

-I'm trying to lead here!

I know, you're fabulous.

-The Stetson is a cowboy hat, right?

-Yes.

So, does anyone in Thomas The Tank Engine wear a cowboy hat?

-Not to my knowledge.

-OK, so, we get rid of him?

Leaving us Lord Trilby Capp...

A trilby's quite a, like...

-It's got that little...

-You know, a bit of a '20s kind of...

-It's more of the Frank Sinatra hat.

-..gangster.

-Yeah.

It seems too simple, but it does seem like it should be Topham Hatt.

-He wore a top hat.

-Yes, he did.

-Therefore there's a good chance it is Sir Topham Hatt.

-Yes.

-Yeah.

It's taken us a long time, Keith.

LAUGHTER

Considering we're telling you exactly what you know.

What we're going to do is agree with you, and say,

that as a team we believe the answer is Sir Topham Hatt.

OK, what do we reckon here?

I'm going to agree with the panel on my first answer.

I'm going to go with Sir Topham Hatt.

All righty, we're all in agreement.

For £200, is that the correct answer?

It is, well played!

Well played.

In the books, there were several generations of Topham Hatts

who were the Fat Controllers.

I can tell you there was a Thin Controller,

he was called Peregrine Percival.

-Wow.

-Peregrine Percival!

-Mmm.

So, well played, Keith. You were right to go with the panel there.

That's another 200 quid in the prize pot.

At the end of round one, you're up to...

-Yes!

-Well done, Keith.

Very nicely played, sir.

Now, it's time now to have a little look at the panel and judge them.

Who do we think is doing well, who do we think is dead wood?

They work well together but Matt's very strong on

his answers and he's not afraid to go against the grain

and stick to his guns.

Angela's had some very good input.

And Nina's been on Concorde.

I know!

OK, well, look, you need to pay close attention to what they say

because you can only choose one of them to help you

in today's final debate.

All righty, let's see how they cope with pictures.

It's time for Round Two.

OK, Keith, Round Two is our picture round.

You must place three pictures in the correct order.

There are three questions in this round,

the money goes up to £300 for every correct answer, so best of luck.

Here we go.

-OK.

-Are you a gambler, Keith?

Not really. I'll take a punt on stuff sometimes if it's worth it.

-But...

-What that basically means is,

"I am but I don't want to admit it on the telly."

-LAUGHTER

-Correct.

I'll go four of a kind,

a flush cos it's using five cards

and full house beats a flush

cos again that's using five.

OK, well, hold that thought

as we go over to our three hustlers to sort it out for you.

Panel, your debate starts now.

Well, I was in Vegas once.

But I just played the nickel machines.

I've never played poker.

I played rummy. Not so good.

So what are these? We've got a flush is what? That's five cards...

-They're all five cards.

-But they can...

They don't have to be in a line?

No, but they're all spades, they have to be same suit.

What is it when they're all in a line?

When they're all in a line, it's a much higher hand that you

have but that is the lowest hand that you can have.

I play poker, so I may as well come clean.

OK, oh, that's fine. Well, you go for it...

So we've got flush, four of a kind,

which is four of the same number or same card but in different suits.

-That's right.

-Full house is what?

Full house is when you can have literally what it shows here,

three of one, two of another or you can have...

Could you have four and one?

No, you can't. Because if you have four and one, it's four of a kind.

Ah, of course, sorry.

The best hand that you can have out of this lot is a four of a kind.

-OK.

-Now, do we need to do this in the worst or the best?

-The worst.

-Start with the worst.

-Start with the flush.

-OK.

Then I'll swap with you, then it would be a full house

and then I would win in this hand with a four of a kind.

-Wow.

-Show me your poker face.

Show me your poker face.

Show me your poker... That's it!

-It's quite scary!

-Could you let me know you're starting?

We have decided.

Poker hands go like this, flush, full house, four of a kind.

OK, the panel have gone for flush, full house and four of a kind.

We have also learnt where Nina got the money to fly on Concorde.

It's true.

OK, what are you thinking?

I'll go with the confidence of

a poker player as opposed to

an occasional card player.

-OK, so we're going all in...

-All in.

-BOTH:

-..on Nina.

You're saying it's a flush,

a full house and a four of a kind.

For £300,

is that the correct answer?

Yeah.

It IS the correct answer.

-Aw!

-Well played, Nina.

Well played, Keith.

I owe Nina for that one. Thank you, Nina.

There you go, you've got to know when to hold 'em.

The strength of the hand is based on the likelihood of the hand

coming up. The approximate odds of getting a flush in five cards

are 1 in 508,

the approximate odds of getting a full house in five cards are

1 in 694 and the approximate odds of getting four of a kind in

five cards are 1 in 4165.

-Wow.

-It is very rare indeed

and you were right to trust Nina on that.

-It's 300 quid in the prize pot.

-Good odds.

-You are now up to...

-Well done.

-Yay!

Thank you, panel.

OK, Keith, here comes your second picture question.

Wow. OK.

Erm, I haven't a clue. I would need help on this one, I think.

OK, well, look, we have a very well travelled panel.

I'm sure they can sort this out.

Panel, the debate starts now.

Right, who's been to any of these?

-I spent a few months in Sydney.

-Yeah.

-And so I think Bondi...

It runs into Tamarama Beach and Bronte Beach, so there's,

like, a lot of smaller beaches.

The neighbouring beaches are better but that's why I think it's

-not that big because there is...

-Everybody needs good neighbours.

-LAUGHTER

-Always.

Copacabana Beach, has anybody been?

-Did you go there on Concorde?

-No!

-Now, is that Sugarloaf Mountain there?

-That is.

Because if that's Sugarloaf, I've tandem hang-glide off that.

When you were coming down...

It was a very long beach when I was coming down.

-It was a long runway.

-It was eight minutes in the air.

And I saw... It just never ended. So for me...

-Nina, you have had a very, very high-flying, exotic life.

-Seriously.

I'm starting to think, you put it together, the Concorde,

the cards, the hang-gliding.

-You're actually a Bond girl, aren't you?

-Yes!

That's what this is.

OK, so, we've established,

-I think Copacabana is bigger than Bondi.

-Yeah.

-Yes.

-Now, Chesil Beach is part of the Jurassic Coast...

-OK.

-..in Dorset.

All right? Which is made up of these incredible features.

And I think Chesil Beach is the one where it's actually

separated from the land and it goes on for miles.

And I think it's got to be one of the longest beaches in the world.

But would they not be flogging that as a thing...

-They...

-..for people to see?

-Listen, you go down there,

-they'll bang on about that.

-Really?

-Seriously.

-About it being long?

-They've got three things. They've got a monkey centre...

-OK.

-..they've got a tank museum and they've got this beach.

-Right.

-Wow.

-That's it.

-LAUGHTER

-I mean...

-They've got other things. But it is lovely.

Whether it's longer than Copacabana I'm not sure but I...

-It's massive.

-Well, I feel like when you hear about Copacabana,

it's because it's, you know, jazzy and fabulous, rather than long.

There's nothing wrong with it being jazzy and fabulous and

a little bit shorter.

-LAUGHTER

-Exactly. Exactly.

So, listen, can we say Bondi Beach is tiny,

-we'll stick that one over there?

-Yeah.

-OK.

And then it's just down to these two and which order they come in.

-I would put that one there and I would bring...

-OK, there you go.

-That's what I would do.

-Right.

-You guys, what do you think?

I will go with whatever our captain says.

-Scanners?

-Yup. I... I'm... Yeah.

We're going to say that Bondi Beach is the smallest,

then Copacabana Beach in Brazil

and the biggest is Chesil Beach in Dorset.

-Almost agreement there...

-Mmm.

-..between our panel, Keith.

-Yeah.

I'm quite happy

to go with the panel,

I think, on this one.

-Yeah.

-OK, you're going with that order.

For £300, is that the correct order?

-Yes!

-It is the correct order.

-Well done.

-Well done, well done.

-Very well played, panel.

-Very well done.

-Thank you.

-Well played, Keith.

Bondi Beach, it is, it's quite short, it is 0.6 of a mile long.

Copacabana, 2 miles long and Chesil Beach, 18 miles long.

-Come on!

-What?

-Wow!

-British beaches, best in the world.

-LAUGHTER

You're doing really well. That's another 300 quid into the prize pot.

You're now up to...

OK, Keith, here comes your final picture question.

Struggling to think, I'm going to throw it over to the panel,

-see what the panel think first.

-I think that's wise.

-Thank you.

I think that's wise. That means that Keith isn't really sure on this one.

Panel, your debate starts now.

I'm trying to just even imagine banknotes and see where I've seen

Elizabeth Fry and I can't place her.

I think Elizabeth Fry is the one that's just been replaced on

the fiver.

-Ah.

-By who?

-By Churchill.

-Oh, right.

-So I think she was the fiver.

-Yeah.

I think she's the lowest.

Erm... Ooh.

But then, you just don't see that very often.

-That face there, I don't think you see that very often.

-Yeah.

-Because he's on a £50 note.

-And I think he's on the big one.

Yeah, I think he's on the red one.

-I think he is.

-So what would Florence Nightingale be?

-Obviously somewhere...

-Ten?

-Somewhere between the two?

-Oh.

-Was she the tenner, he was the 50 and she was the 5?

Does that make sense?

-Yeah.

-I think your instinct's right.

I think we should go with the big man on the big notes.

I think we should put Florence Nightingale on the 20s or the 10s.

What do we think about that?

-Gang?

-I think that's good.

OK.

In order, we believe that the characters that appear

on the notes are Elizabeth Fry,

Florence Nightingale

and Michael Faraday.

So, Keith, what are you thinking?

I think I'm in total agreement.

Yeah, I'm happy to go with the panel.

OK, you're going to go with the panel.

Some decent logic in there, I have to say.

But let's see if it's correct.

Elizabeth Fry, Florence Nightingale and Michael Faraday,

is that the correct order?

-Come on!

-It is.

-Well played.

-Well done.

-Congratulations.

Prison reformer Elizabeth Fry, you were right,

appeared on the fiver from 2002.

In 2016, a new polymer note

featuring Sir Winston Churchill was introduced for the fiver.

English nurse and medical reformer Florence Nightingale appeared

on the tenner in 1975. They were withdrawn in 1994.

English physicist and chemist Michael Faraday appeared on

the 20 in 1991.

They were withdrawn in 2001. Keith, very well done.

As the end of that round, the prize pot has gone up to...

And we're not done there. There's another 1,500 up for grabs.

It is time for Round Three.

OK, Keith, in Round Three you will face questions that contain

three statements about a person, a place or a thing and only one of

those statements is correct.

You have to decide which one of those it is.

We're now in the final round so it's up to £500 for a correct answer.

-Best of luck. Here's your first question.

-Pressure now.

-Erm. I play golf very badly. Very badly indeed.

-Don't we all?

-Yeah.

Usually in the sand or in the water, if I play golf.

-LAUGHTER

-I want to throw it over to

-the panel, I think.

-OK.

Not sure on this side. Panel, you can you shed any light?

Your debate starts now.

Huh.

If you don't think... Can we eliminate one of those three

at least? Can we get rid of one of them?

Do you not think Tiger Woods has won more than anyone else?

I don't know cos he just was winning everything for a bit.

-He was.

-Yeah.

-He was.

I feel like there's somebody that's just pips Woods to that accolade.

-Yeah.

-Someone like Greg Norman.

-No.

-Jack Nicklaus.

-That guy.

You think Jack Nicklaus has won more majors than any other...

-than Tiger Woods.

-I have a weird feeling that he perhaps has.

-OK.

-Yeah.

-Can I ask a silly question?

The Ryder Cup has been held in Portugal, right, let's look at that.

I can't ever remember it being held in Portugal.

Obviously, it's known for being held once in the States, then

two years later in Europe,

but I've always associated with either the UK...

Er...

Valderrama. Has it been in Spain? Valderrama? What is Valderrama?

-That's going to be a Spanish name, isn't it?

-No, I think Valderrama's

Portugal but it's usually where people go with their kids

-on holidays.

-OK, 1971 Open

winner struck by lightning at a tournament in 1975.

-Just... As he was just doing that...

-LAUGHTER

-HE IMITATES LIGHTNING

-Money shot.

-Just on gut instinct.

-Let's go.

-Gut instinct.

-Yeah.

The Ryder Cup has been played in Portugal.

Gut instinct, Scanlon?

Tiger Woods has won more majors than any other player.

I would go with Tiger Woods as well.

Our considered and authoritative answer as a team

is that Tiger Woods has won

more majors than any other player.

That's what our panel thought. Do you agree?

Yeah, I'm going to...

I think I'm going to go with A, that's what my gut's saying.

OK, Keith, you are going with the panel.

The panel not sure on this one.

Dissent in the ranks but they finally plumped for A.

You're going along with them.

For £500, is A the correct answer?

-Oh!

-It was B...

-Sorry.

-Sorry.

-Lee Trevino was the Open Champion in 1971 and 1972.

He was struck by lightning during a tournament in 1975.

He, seemingly, emerged unscathed and continued playing.

It was so frustrating because, Angela,

you were right on so many things there.

It was Jack Nicklaus who holds the Major record over Tiger Woods.

You were also right that the Ryder Cup has never been in Portugal.

Matt, you were right that has been held in Valderrama in Spain.

-You were thinking of Vilamoura.

-Vilamoura - that's it!

That's where people go on holidays!

-It was so close.

-Sorry, Keith.

-Sorry, Keith.

-It's all right.

So near yet so far there, Keith. No money added.

There's still £1,000 up for grabs. Here comes your second question.

Which statement is true about Komodo dragons?

All seem feasible. Erm...

I'm probably between A and C.

But again, a little bit of help from the panel.

-You're edging between A and C.

-Yeah.

But we're not quite sure so, panel, over to you.

The debate starts now.

Ah...

-Can we just discount the first one.

-Yes.

-Unless they're scavengers.

Why would you hunt and kill something and then eat

-something else?

-Exactly.

-That sounds bonkers to me.

-OK.

Then we've got the other two...

I think they're almost totally blind.

Why would they evolve to be almost totally blind?

What possible benefit can there be from that?

I don't think they evolved, they've always been almost totally blind.

I don't think they can grow over ten feet because the whole point

of Komodo dragons is that they're not that big.

-They're big but they're not that big, are they?

-They're not?

Komodo dragons?

-So we don't think they're over ten feet long?

-Are there other creatures

that are almost totally blind but

-still very good at hunting and killing?

-Bats.

-OK.

-Brilliant tactic.

So like, their senses are heightened, their other senses.

-Yeah.

-So what would it be? They can smell very well?

They use their sense of smell to track down their prey which

-they eat?

-Yes.

-Which one are we going to go for?

I don't know why but I think they're almost totally blind.

-I'm down with that. I agree with that.

-OK.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

As a team we believe the correct answer is the Komodo dragons

are almost totally blind.

So, after saying that being totally blind could make

no possible evolutionary sense whatsoever, Matt has stared

down the camera and said that Komodo dragons are almost totally blind.

If you say it with enough conviction, it becomes true.

Was that any help?

All I have ringing in my head is the late Steve Irwin and

he used to go into the nest and taunt them.

Could they see him?

That's a good question. That's what I'm trying to remember.

They were big. Were they over ten feet long? That's the thing.

I think I'm going to go with A.

OK, you're going for A.

Against the panel, you believe that Komodo dragons hunt and kill

but do not eat their prey.

Is that the correct statement for £500?

-They can grow to over ten feet long.

-I'm so sorry.

Komodo dragons are the largest living species of lizard.

They eat their prey very efficiently and have very good eyesight.

They can see objects as far away as 300 metres.

No money added to the prize pot on that occasion.

But we've got one more question, 500 quid up for grabs,

let's see if you can get your hands on it.

-Let's do this.

-Keith, here it comes.

A is ringing bells with me.

In a good way or a bad way?

I don't know if I'm getting mixed up with Han Solo in Star Wars though.

LAUGHTER

For some reason I think I've heard somewhere that

he looked into it so I think A is my initial instinct, but...

Let's see what the panel say. OK.

Keith is edging towards A, panel, can you shed any light on this?

You debate starts now.

The middle one, his first animated film, I'm pretty sure is wrong

because I saw a doc about him recently and he did very artsy,

quite dark films before he created

those iconic Disney characters.

I have a feeling you're right.

The first one with Mickey Mouse

-was Steamboat Willie.

-Yeah.

1927, something like that.

I think there's big loopy stuff before that.

-Yeah, very trippy kind of...

-Yeah.

-Quite dark.

-So, cryogenically frozen?

-It rings a bell too.

-It rings a bell.

But is it one of those urban myths

that everybody thinks they know

but it's not actually true?

-That's the thing I'm worried about with that.

-I've heard that as well.

-Was that...? Were they able to do that...? When did he die?

-'50s...

It was in the '60s? I think he

might have died in the early '60s.

-Really, that early?

-I think so.

But if he is cryogenically frozen,

wouldn't we know where he is?

I think that's absolutely real,

he was cryogenically frozen.

He was one of the first famous people who had that done to them

that's how I even heard about

someone being cryogenically frozen, I think.

OK, let's look at the last one.

He built a 1/8 scale steam train at his house.

I mean, it sounds a bit Michael Jackson to me.

-If you had build Disneyland and Disney World...

-Yeah.

..why would you want a 1/8 scale steam train in your house?

You can do full size!

You can go whenever you like,

they'll start the rides up for you.

I think he was a visionary and I think being cryogenically frozen

is quite outlandish and that would maybe fit with the

-things that he created.

-OK. You both think that's the answer...?

-Yes.

In that case, as a team,

we believe that Walt Disney was

cryogenically frozen

at the end of his life.

-It sounds bonkers now you say it.

-Yeah, I know.

You say it, it's too late, now it sounds bonkers

and we look like idiots.

The good news is that if this is an idiot answer,

-you can actually change your mind, Keith. What do you think?

-True.

I think Matt made a very good point,

that's there's no footage or images

of him and in today's society we'd

have seen him cryogenically frozen.

Though it did spring to mind that

that was what he wanted, whether

that was one of his wishes but it didn't happen, he was a big kid.

The 1/8 scale steam train,

I don't think Mickey Mouse was his first film, it was Steamboat Willie.

Was it his first?

I'm going to have to go against the grain, I'm going to go with C,

being the big kid that he was,

that he had a 1/8 scale steam train in his house.

Because that's bonkers, isn't it?

OK, Keith, so based on the info that the panel have given you that

-if he was cryogenically frozen, where is he?

-Yeah.

You've decided to change your mind and go for he built a 1/8 scale

steam train at his house.

For £500, the correct statement is...

-See! Well done!

-Well done!

-Well done.

-He built a 1/8 scale steam train at his house.

He was not cryogenically frozen.

It was a rumour that was started not long after his death.

His earlier animated films starred a character called

-Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.

-Right.

In the late 1940s, he built himself a 1/8 scale steam locomotive

and, after moving into a new home,

he laid half a mile of track around the property for his railroad.

Well played, Keith, you were right to go against the panel,

very well done.

At the end of Round Three,

your prize goes up to £2,000.

APPLAUSE

Very nice. OK, Keith, it's the final debate.

You will face one question, that question will have

six possible answers, only three of those are correct.

We need all three in order to win the money today.

Now, as before, you're not alone,

you must choose one of these fine members of our panel to assist you.

You and your panellist will have 45 seconds to debate

the question and then you must give me an answer.

So, based on their performances today, Keith,

who would you like to join you in the final debate?

Would you like to choose Angela who would like to bring the Ryder Cup

to the seaside resort of Vilamoura in Portugal?

-Will it be Matt who will never be invited to Dorset again?

-Nope.

Or will it be secret agent Nina Wadia where she'll fly you

around the world and play poker with you?

I'd like to thank all of you for your help today.

I think you've been absolutely brilliant.

Based off the knowledge and how things have gone,

I think I'm going to go with Matt, please.

OK, you're going for Matt.

Matt, would you join us as we play today's Final Debate?

OK, Matt, Keith has chosen you.

-We're confident we can do this for him.

-Absolutely.

-We're going to steam roller straight through this.

-Let's get it done.

-Let's do it.

-Keith, there are two categories in the Final Debate.

Let's have a look. We need you to choose one from this.

-So, what's your strong points?

-I would say, out of

-those two, probably television.

-Yeah, me too.

-Yeah, I'm not much of a scientist.

-So you're going for...?

-We're going for television.

-Television.

As long as it's not soaps.

If only you had a television host on your shoulder for this.

-Yes, if only.

-OK, here we go.

£2,000 up for grabs, we wish you all the best.

We'll put 45 seconds on the clock.

Here comes your Final Debate question.

45 seconds starts now.

THEY CONFER

-OK, Katie Hopkins definitely didn't win it.

-No, no.

Ruth Badger, for some reason, I don't know whether it's just cos

-I know the name, she stuck out.

-Yeah.

I don't know if Raef was

one of the first winners..

-OK, so you're saying Tom Pellereau and Raef Bjayou?

-Yes.

Then we need one another.

-Probably Ruth, I think.

-You think?

-I don't...

-20 seconds.

-Or Leah.

-I don't know.

I don't watch it at all,

I'll be honest with you.

Coming up to me is Tom...

Tom, Ruth and Raef.

-I'm not sure if it's just cos they called her the Badger.

-Hm.

-Ten seconds.

-Leah is also a name I know.

Right.

So I'd have to go with you, I'm afraid I'm not much use here.

Time is up, guys.

I need three answers, please.

There's a definite one in there,

which I think is Tom Pellereau.

We're going to go with the Badger,

Ruth Badger

and Raef Bjayou.

If they are the correct three

then you leave today with £2,000.

If one of them is wrong, Keith,

I'm afraid you leave with nothing.

We wish you all the best.

Here we go. For £2,000,

three Apprentice winners.

First up you said Tom Pellereau.

Is Tom Pellereau an Apprentice winner?

He was! Well done.

He won series seven.

Next up you said Ruth Badger.

To keep us on track for £2,000...

..was Ruth Badger an Apprentice winner?

It's the wrong answer, Keith.

-Sorry.

-I'm so sorry.

You also said Raef Bjayou.

He was also a wrong answer.

Let's have a look at the correct answers.

The other two were

Tim Campbell and Leah Totton.

Katie Hopkins, you're right,

didn't win the Apprentice.

Keith, you played so well. Thanks for coming in and seeing us.

-Give it up one more time for Keith.

-Thank you very much.

-Well done.

That's it for Debatable.

Just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel.

To Matt Allwright, Angela Scanlon and Nina Wadia.

I hope you've enjoyed watching. We'll see you next time

for more heated debates. For now, it's goodbye from me.