Episode 5 Debatable

Hello and welcome to Debatable,

where today one player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to

walk away with a jackpot of over £2,000,

but they're not on their own.

As always, they will have a panel of well-known faces debating

their way to the answers.

Will they be able to talk the talk? As always, that's debatable.

So let's meet them.

Talking the talk today,

we have journalist John Sergeant,

broadcaster and campaigner

June Sarpong,

and actor and comedian Liz Carr.

APPLAUSE

That's our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.

It is John for Epsom.

-How are you doing, John?

-Very well, thank you.

-Yourself?

-Welcome to the show.

-Thank you.

-Thanks for coming in to see us.

-Nothing else to do today.

-There you go. Nor me.

-Shall we play a little quiz? What do you think?

-Come on, then.

-Yeah? Tell us a little bit about yourself.

-From Epsom, Surrey.

Bexley boy originally. Here today to win a bit of money.

Is that your real accent or have you just gone more geezer for this show?

-I'm more geezer at home.

-Really?

This is a little bit more toned down.

So on a scale of one to geezer,

where would you say you are on the geezer scale?

-This is my Surrey accent.

-Oh, this is the posh accent?

-It's my posh one.

-Tell us what you do for living.

I'm a pawn broker, but we specialise in vintage and prestige watches.

That's why he's a geezer!

-That's where I'm getting the geezer.

-Geezer!

-What do you do in your spare time?

-I own a couple of race horses.

Of course you do. What are the horses called?

One has no name, it's not run yet.

And the other one's had three races, and it's Still Running.

-Yeah.

-John, what do you make of today's panel?

There's age, beauty and intelligence, all in one.

Oh, there is, but enough about John Sergeant.

LAUGHTER There he is.

There he is. Panel, come on, what have you got to offer John?

John, I'm going to sell myself. Just gently.

I'm not very good, but we might get on really well.

This feels like a recap on Blind Date. Liz?

I'm thinking, "What can I offer you?"

I've got my law degree, I play a character in Silent Witness.

-that knows everything.

-Yeah.

-So maybe that's rubbed off.

She always gets it right.

You know, and I've got a sushi-making certificate.

-I love sushi!

-See? There you go.

-I love sushi.

-See?

It is like Blind Date, you're right. It's weird now.

-It's a bit weird.

-It's a match made in heaven, actually.

Our next question goes to number two.

Number two.

I'm originally a Walthamstow girl,

so I can out geezer you, how about that?

THEY LAUGH

John, you're going to have to pay close attention to our panel.

You can only choose one of them in today's final debate.

-Ready to play?

-Bring it on.

-Born ready.

-Born ready.

-Born ready!

OK, here we go, let's play Round One.

John, this round is multiple-choice.

Four possible answers. There are three questions in this round.

Each correct answer is worth £200.

Possible 600 quid up for grabs.

Here we go.

I have absolutely no idea. I must be honest.

I know all of those names, but I have no idea.

I'm hoping that the panel have got the answer for me on this one.

We are all hoping the panel are going to sort this out.

I'm not looking at anyone in particular, June Sarpong.

OK, panel, can we shed any light on this? Your debate starts now.

OK, so, what are you thinking, Liz?

Well, I'm thinking... I mean, how old is she?

She's either late 20s, early 30s.

So I was just thinking sort of who was around and who was big.

John, what are you thinking?

My mind's gone a complete blank. I don't know why.

Normally, I would be very good at these sort of subjects.

Yeah, you would. This is your subject, actually.

For some reason, I'm blanking out.

I could leave it to you two to sort this one out.

-You can't just sit there.

-You can't do that.

A blind guess, then.

-OK? Adele.

-Yeah, cos she could just be called Adele.

See how it sounds.

Cos, like, when my parents were thinking of my name,

it wasn't Liz Carr, it was Elizabeth,

so it sort of had a flow to it.

Well, I'm John James, right?

And somebody said to me,

"Did your parents have really odd names?"

I said, "Certainly not!" My father

was Reverend Ernest Noel Copeland Sergeant.

-Of course.

-And my mother was Olive Horatia.

Right. Yeah.

So what are we thinking, panel?

Adele. I'd stick with that.

-It sounds good.

-Yes...

-OK.

-It sounds as if we're convinced.

So I think the panel are going to go with C - Adele.

Now, can you see what's actually happened there, John?

Basically, Liz and June, with a little bit of pop knowledge,

have bowed to John's just complete guts,

and he has managed to convince the panel that it may be Adele.

Well, I might actually agree with him. Adele...

Because I know nothing else, I'll go with the panel.

OK, you're going with the panel. Here we go.

Oh, here we go.

Is the real first name of singer Emeli Sande Adele?

For £200.

Yes!

-You see?

-There you go. You see? We're on the ball.

Go on, my son.

-Yes, yes. Well, it was obvious, wasn't it?

-It was.

-Totally.

It was the only answer, really.

-Yeah, it was.

-Absolutely obvious.

You can catch John Sergeant on his Radio 1 show...

She was actually born Adele Emeli Sande.

As Adele became more successful, she then decided to use her middle name.

You are up and running, £200.

Come on!

Here comes your next question.

I have no idea again. I've got some ideas.

I'm not too sure where to go.

Apple is looking good, but not looking that good.

OK. HE LAUGHS

Panel, your debate starts now.

Well, I've had a few lemon discos in Ibiza, so...

LAUGHTER

A lot of these things - like apples and fungi and flower -

they've got lovely names, haven't they?

Bread, anyone can make bread in all sorts of ways, so that's my guess.

Bread, you're right,

but I think that would be some sort of artisan bakery, and they

might call it something,

-but it's not called that across...

-Yeah, a general term.

-That's right.

-Like tiger loaf or...

-These other things -

flowers and fungi and apples...

It's apples or fungi, I think.

How lemony can an apple be?

Well, it could be, yeah.

It's got to be all these names...

It could be quite a sour apple.

You're not at all impressed by my argument about bread?

-No.

-No.

-Oh.

-To be honest, John, no.

-Sorry. You're outnumbered on this one.

And flower, I just think we'd have heard of the flowers,

-I don't know why.

-You do?

-I do.

-I sort of think...

-There's so many types of flowers, though.

But they're more sort of... Honeycomb, lemony...

They are more tastes and flavours.

-I think you're right.

-Yeah, maybe you are.

Apple?

-June, it's up to you.

-OK.

So the panel is going to go for option A - apple.

-So, John.

-I'm drawn to fungi, I must be honest.

I'm thinking with the elfcup, the cup, the disco...

I'm going to go fungi. Sorry, boys, girls.

-JUNE:

-No worries.

-No, no.

OK, you are going against the panel.

For £200, is fungi the correct answer?

Come on.

It is!

-Well done.

-Well done, John. Well done.

Good man.

Very well played, John. Lemon disco is also known as yellow fairy cups.

A green elfcup, it's a small blue-green wood fungus.

Honeycomb crust is so named as the fungus was resembles

the texture of honeycomb.

-Brilliant.

-Very well played, everybody.

-And by everybody, I say Liz and John.

-Thank you.

-That's another £200.

-What about you?

-That's so mean.

Well, I mean, you said apple!

-That's £200 into your prize pot.

-Hey!

I can tell you, you are up to £400.

Let's see if you can make it a clean sweep of Round One.

Here's your next question.

The Thames just doesn't sound right, does it?

But... What do I know?

-I need somehow on this one.

-You need some help.

-I definitely do.

-Help is at hand, John.

-A lot of help.

Here we go. Panel, your debate starts now.

Panel, what are we thinking?

Well, let's go for the ones we think certainly he did paint.

-OK.

-The Water-lily Pond, that's very famous.

-Very.

-It's got to be.

-Right? So we've agreed on that.

-The Thames Below Westminster. He did paint one of those.

-Yes.

-So that's... Agreed on that.

-Yeah.

-It's the one you wouldn't think, isn't it?

So we're left with the last two.

I would've thought he did paint Lavacourt Under Snow,

-or...

-FRENCH ACCENT:

-..Lavacourt...

-FRENCH ACCENT:

-Lavacourt.

-..as we say it in France.

He could have painted long grass, he could have painted butterflies.

-Butterflies.

-But calling it Long Grass With Butterflies,

-it's not very poetic, if it?

-No, it's not.

I think it sounds a bit made up.

-So I think...

-I think...

-..we know.

-That's it, isn't it?

-Yeah.

Well, very straightforward.

So the panel are going to go with option A -

Long Grass With Butterflies.

John, they are not messing about. They say it is very straightforward.

Are they correct?

I would've thought it was the Thames,

but I'll go with the panel.

Long Grass With Butterflies, for £200.

And a clean sweep of Round One.

Correct answer is...

-Yes!

-It is!

Get in there! I've got you covered(!)

Very well done.

Long Grass With Butterflies was painted by Vincent van Gogh

in 1890.

Very well played, John.

That is another £200 into the prize pot.

At the end of Round One, it's 100%. It you're on £600.

-Well done, well done.

-Thank you.

-JUNE:

-Well done.

OK, John, how do you think the panel are faring so far?

A lot of balance there. It's quite nice.

They're doing really well, amongst themselves.

OK, let's see how they cope with pictures. It's time for Round Two.

OK, John, Round Two is our picture round.

We want you to put three pictures in order.

£300 for each correct answer. Two questions in this round.

A possible £600 up for grabs, here we go.

You have an idea of this, John?

I have a rough idea.

If you have a rough idea, let's hold that thought.

Let's see if our panel have any thoughts on this at all.

Your debate starts now.

Well, anyone?

A touchdown is the highest that you

can score in American football,

isn't it?

We don't need to worry about that, all we need to do is get them in the right order.

-Oh, OK.

-Let's not worry too much...

Let's not get the facts in the way.

Let's just think...

LAUGHTER

-We'll just think about...

-Now, now!

LAUGHTER

Liz, what are you thinking?

I'm trying to remember that bit of snooker that I used to watch

when Pot Black was on years ago

with my dad

-and what was a yellow ball worth.

-Yeah.

And I thought it was five,

but I think it probably isn't.

And an unconverted try

in rugby union,

and I think it could be five

or seven, but I'm not sure.

I'm trying to get numerical.

A touchdown is a lot.

It's like 15 or 13.

Let's stick to that.

That's a lot. We've all agreed.

That's the highest one, right?

-That's the highest.

-Right.

So the next must be rugby

and the third one must be snooker.

-Why are you so sure?

-Which is the fewest?

I'm not prepared to answer those questions.

LAUGHTER

I'm answering the question that is on the board.

Why are you so sure that an unconverted try is less than

a yellow ball?

Well, because I know a yellow ball is less than four.

-Or five.

-OK. OK. Well, then...

-So that's easy.

-That works for me.

So I think we've got that order right.

So it's yellow... So it's the yellow ball,

then the rugby try and then the touchdown?

-Yeah.

-Is that right?

-That's it.

-So then we swap.

-You've got the highest.

-That's what we think.

-OK.

So, the panel is going to go for

the fewest as the yellow ball

in snooker, then the unconverted try

in rugby union and then the

touchdown in American football.

Great sporting knowledge brought to this, John, by the panel(!)

The panel believe that a yellow ball in snooker is somewhere below

four and five, a touchdown is a big thing,

and a rugby try is somewhere in the middle.

Mm. I know a yellow's only two.

And I love rugby and I love American football,

and I've got a brain freeze.

I just can't place it, but I think they're in the right order.

-Yeah.

-OK, you're going with the panel.

For £300, is that the correct order?

It is the correct order!

Well done! Yes!

-Take it home!

-Take it home!

A yellow ball in snooker is worth two.

An unconverted try in rugby union is worth...five.

And a touchdown in American football - six.

Points in snooker from one to seven,

we all remember that by the Chas and Dave song, don't we?

-Yeah, of course.

-Don't we? Here we go.

# Pot the reds, then, screw back

# For the yellow, green, brown, blue, pink and black

# Snooker loopy nuts are we We're all snooker loopy. #

-Yeah.

-There you go, Roll Out The Barrel.

That's it, from one up till seven.

Very well done, John. It means that you're up to £900.

APPLAUSE

Thank you, thank you.

And, all right, John, here comes your second picture question.

I'd like to think it was Mother Teresa first,

then Desmond Tutu, then Nelson Mandela.

But then he might have got it when he was in jail.

And Mother Teresa, she would have got it ages ago. I don't know.

OK, panel, can you sort this out for John? Your debate starts now.

What are we thinking?

See, I think what John said could be right.

I have a feeling Nelson Mandela got it when he was in prison.

-I think it was a big deal at the time.

-Yeah.

-I think, you know the way these committees work?

-Yeah?

"We gave it to someone in South Africa last year."

-Yep.

-"We don't want to do it the same this year."

-Yes.

-These international committees...

-Oh, no!

No, no, no! Nelson Mandela got his when he came out of prison

-with FW de Klerk. They got it together.

-Yes, that's true.

-Yes.

-So he was out of prison.

-He was out of prison

-for ending apartheid.

-So, was he the most recent?

So, Desmond Tutu first because he was a campaigner,

-while Mandela was still in prison.

-But why not Mother Teresa first?

-Yeah, I think...

-Why not Mother Teresa first? Yeah.

I think Mother Teresa first and Tutu later.

Do you think Tutu last or Tutu in the middle?

-I think Mother Teresa comes first.

-Yep.

-Then Desmond Tutu.

And then, as you say, the joint award when he was released.

So, then...

Yeah.

The panel is going to go with...

Earliest is Mother Teresa.

Then followed by Desmond Tutu.

And then, finally, Nelson Mandela.

They've come up with pretty much the same order as you.

Like the panel, I'm a bit confused whether

-Mother Teresa may be in the middle and Desmond Tutu first.

-Yeah.

So I'll go with the panel's decision, and my decision.

-Let's hope I'm right!

-HE LAUGHS

OK. For £300, is that the correct order?

APPLAUSE

Well played, panel.

-Well done, John, good knowledge. Good knowledge.

-Thank you.

Mother Teresa won the prize in 1979 for her humanitarian work.

Desmond Tutu was next in 1984 for his role as a unifying figure

in the campaign to resolve issues about apartheid in South Africa.

And then, June, you were right, Nelson Mandela, 1993,

jointly with FW de Klerk

for their work for the peaceful termination of the apartheid regime

and the laying of foundations for a new democratic South Africa.

Very well done, panel. Very well played, John.

It's five out of five at the end of Round Two,

your prize pot stands at £1,200!

APPLAUSE

I gotcha!

Hey? Come on.

There's still another £1,000 up for grabs in Round Three.

But first, have we learned anything about our panel

from the first two rounds, John? Who's standing out?

-Apart from myself?

-Well, I mean, you are standing out, yeah.

-Yeah, standing out in the middle here.

-You are like the Irish farmer,

you're out standing in your own field!

GROANING AND LAUGHTER

Hey!

So, we've still one more round to play. It is time for Round Three.

OK, John, in Round Three, you'll face questions that contain

a statement about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of those is true. We need you to identify the true statement.

Two questions in the round, £500 for each correct answer.

A possible £1,000.

Let's see if we can keep your run going with this.

Well, I've no idea. A hoglet sounds right, doesn't it? It sounds good.

It could be anything. No idea.

OK, hoglet sounds good but he's got no idea.

Panel, can you sort this out for us? Your debate starts now.

-They're always sniffing around, aren't they?

-Aren't they blind?

-You can't stop them sniffing.

-I thought hedgehogs were blind.

-They're blind.

-To survive and get around, they must have other senses.

Yeah, so we'll rule that out, OK.

Hoglet doesn't sound right to me.

How many baby hedgehogs have you come across and shouted,

"What are those?"

-"They're hoglets."

-Is it called a cub?

-"Oh, it's a hoglet!"

-A baby hedgehog is a cub?

-I thought it was something else,

I thought it was a piglet. No, it's a hoglet.

LAUGHTER

Then I'm thinking, Hogwarts, it's all very Harry Potter.

-That's what I'm saying.

-Cute and...

-It's a big Harry Potter.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-What are we thinking?

I think it's a tough call. If you're not convinced by the middle,

I think go with the three species.

OK. If you're worried about hoglet. I would go with the rest of you.

OK. So, the panel is going to go for C,

there are only three species of hedgehogs in the world.

So, John. Liz and John are thinking that hoglet sounds nice.

But the chair has pulled the panel together

and they now believe that there are only

three species of hedgehog in the world.

Yeah, it's not like dogs, is it?

There's a cocker spaniel, there's a Great Dane, you know...

-"Oh, look at the size of that hedgehog!"

-Exactly!

LAUGHTER

I'm going to go for B, a baby hedgehog is...

No, I'm not.

LAUGHTER

I'm going to go with C, I'm going to go with the panel.

Are you sure about this?

Yeah.

OK, you initially thought a baby hedgehog was a hoglet.

But you're changing your mind, you're going with the panel.

For £500, the correct statement is...

Oh, oh, oh.

-Never mind.

-You should have went with your gut, fella.

-Oh, I've got plenty of gut!

-GENTLE LAUGHTER

-Ah.

-Never mind.

There are estimated to be around

15 species of hedgehog in the world. PANEL EXCLAIM

Hedgehogs have an excellent sense of smell but poor eyesight.

Liz, you were right about that.

Oh, they're cute!

-Baby hedgehogs are called hoglets.

-Called hoglets!

-Cute.

-There they are.

OK. No money added to the prize pot.

We still have a chance, though,

for another £500. Here it comes.

I'm drawn to A but I need some confirmation.

OK, you need a little bit of help on this from the panel.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

-OK.

-Well, deeper than the English Channel, no.

-No.

-Really?

Nearly twice the surface area of Lake Windermere?

-I'm not sure about that.

-It's big, though.

Whereas Oslo...

I mean, that's the kind of thing, it would be right, wouldn't it?

They'd put it up and the people in Norway complained.

-What do you mean by the people in Norway?

-Well, by putting it up,

-this is a serious show.

-OK, right, I see.

-"So you don't know much about Oslo, do you?"

-Yes, yes.

-You think this may cause a diplomatic incident?

-It could do.

I think it's more likely to be sucking up to the Norwegians

-saying we know about where Oslo is.

-Right.

-Yes. What do you think, Liz?

I mean, I think it's a massive body of water.

That's only because I went when I was little.

-Did you see the monster?

-Of course, yep.

How was Nessie that day?

Well, he was hidden because it's so deep, possibly deeper than

-the English Channel, you see.

-JUNE LAUGHS

That's what I'm not sure about.

I think, I'm not sure about the Oslo one.

I think it's big, I think it could be A.

John, the contestant, sort of thought A, didn't he?

So I think we're going to go with A.

We're going to go with A, nearly twice the size of Lake Windermere.

So, the panel are suggesting it's nearly twice the surface area

of Lake Windermere.

I've got to go with my gut, I've got to do with my gut initially,

I'm going to with A, nearly twice the surface area of Lake Windermere.

It's got to be. I've got to go with my gut.

OK, you're going with your gut, you're also going with the panel.

For £500, the correct statement is...

No way!

-JUNE:

-Wow!

-Really?

-Oh, dear.

Well, Liz, actually suggested that.

When I was a child...

Loch Ness is much more than twice the surface area of Lake Windermere.

Loch Ness is approximately 22 square miles,

Lake Windermere is approximately six square miles.

Loch Ness is roughly level with the northernmost part of Denmark.

-Oh, dear.

-Oh, dear, John. JOHN CHUCKLES

Oh, dear, indeed.

Bad luck, panel. Bad luck, John.

It means, at the end of Round Three, your prize pot is up to £1,200.

APPLAUSE

A tidy enough sum. Any plans for the cash if you manage to win it today?

If I win, I'm going to give the money to my daughter's

-special needs school.

-Fantastic. That's a great...

-JUNE:

-Love you.

Yeah. APPLAUSE

-Fair play to you on that, fair play.

-There you go.

OK, John, between you and that money is one question.

It is the final debate.

In the final debate you will have six possible answers,

only three of them are correct.

I need you to give me all three correct answers

in order to win the money today.

But you are not on your own.

You will choose one of these fine panellists to assist you.

So, will you be saying hello to Adele's biggest fan, John Sergeant?

Will you be dancing with our very own lemon disco, June Sarpong?

Or will you be hedgehogging your bets with Liz Carr?

I think I'm going for the pop knowledge.

-Pop maestro himself, it must be John Sergeant.

-OK, you're going for John.

John, will you come and join us as we play the final today.

APPLAUSE

OK, John and John, it is the final debate.

John to John, make the decision choosing John?

I'm not feeling confident because there's real money involved,

and it's going to be my fault, isn't it, if we don't get this right?

-It is.

-Yeah.

-I think it is, John, to be honest.

LAUGHTER

It's worse than I thought.

Because it is the final debate,

we're going to give you a choice between two.

So, Johns, have a look at this, tell me what you fancy?

-What do you think?

-I don't know.

-Literature means books.

-Yeah.

I'm not a great reader but I can read that!

I've watched a few films in my time, I must be honest.

-Do you like a film?

-I don't mind a bit of film, yeah.

-Or "fil-m", in Patrick's language.

-Yeah, "fil-m".

-Yeah, I'll go with "Fil-m".

-OK, "Fil-m".

"Fil-m"? You'll go for "Fil-m"? LAUGHTER

OK, you're going for Film.

There's going to be 45 seconds on the clock.

Six possible answers up there. Only three are correct.

We need all three to win the money.

OK, best of luck. Here it comes.

Your final debate question.

Your final debate starts now.

OK, Plenty O'Toole, yes.

Oh, I don't know. Appeared? Modesty Blaise has definitely appeared.

Has appeared. Er, you want Plenty O'Toole, I say no, you say yes, OK.

I don't know the rest of them.

-Well, we've got to guess, haven't we?

-Very much so.

Truly Scrumptious sound silly enough. How about that?

That's three.

-Oh. We need to pick the three that we believe.

-Oh.

-Not the ones that haven't.

-OK.

-20 seconds.

-Who do you think?

I think Modesty Blaise has appeared.

-You think, er, you think Plenty O'Toole?

-I think Plenty O'Toole.

-OK, so Plenty O'Toole.

-Ten seconds.

-And Modesty Blaise.

-So we want one more then.

-Just guess one of them.

-Er...

-Bibi Dahl.

-OK.

-OK with that one.

-Bibi Dahl.

-Bibi Dahl.

So your three answers are...

Er, Modesty Blaise, Plenty O'Toole and Bibi Dahl.

OK, John, you know how the game works,

I need all three answers to be correct for you to win the £1,200.

So, the one you were most sure about was?

-Modesty Blaise.

-Modesty Blaise.

We need Modesty Blaise to have appeared in a Bond film

to keep us on track for the £1,200.

Is Modesty Blaise a correct answer?

-Oh, great(!)

-Oh, John, it's the wrong answer. I'm so sorry.

-Mm.

-Modesty Blaise was in a 1960s comic strip but not in a Bond movie.

-Over before we started.

-I know, we're gutted.

I'm afraid it is over before we even got going, John.

Let's have a look at the other answers.

John Sergeant thought Plenty O'Toole. Plenty O'Toole was correct.

Bibi Dahl was also correct.

And Xenia Onatopp was a Bond character.

I'm so sorry, John. You've been a great player.

Give it up one more time for John. Thanks for coming in.

-Yeah, well done. Sorry about that.

-No, it's not your fault,

I chose that. It was my choice.

That is it for Debatable.

Just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel.

To John Sergeant, to Liz Carr and June Sarpong.

APPLAUSE

I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

We'll see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.